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NVDA Is Very Sluggish in Thunderbird

Rich DeSteno
 

I am using NVDA Version 2020.3 on a Windows 10 computer.  I use Thunderbird Version 78, which I believe is the current version. Recently, NVDA has become very sluggish in Thunderbird.  Reaction to key strokes often takes up to several seconds.  This makes it very difficult to read or write emails.  What could be the problem here?  Nothing has changed with my system.


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Rich De Steno


Re: Using N V D A with Station Play List Studio!

 

Hi,

SPL settings will not show under preferences unless you run Studio. This is intentional, as the settings dialog for the SPL add-on is specific to Studio.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Doc Wright godfearer
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2021 2:10 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using N V D A with Station Play List Studio!

 

Joseph, at the time of his post the Station playlist addon was not installed. I installed it last night and an interesting thing occurred. SPL showed up in manage addons as enabled but it still did not show in preferences. He is running Windows 7, would that have anything to do with it?

----- Original Message -----

From: Joseph Lee

Sent: Friday, January 15, 2021 4:13 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Using N V D A with Station Play List Studio!

 

Hi,

Okay, and apparently SPL settings isn’t showing up on NVDA preferences menu? Another way to check if SPL add-on is indeed running is:

  1. Open Studio.
  2. Press Alt+NVDA+Number row 0 (zero) while focused on Studio. If the add-on is running, settings dialog should appear.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Thomas E Williamson, Senior
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2021 3:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using N V D A with Station Play List Studio!

 

Yes, I went to N v d a add-on page, and clicked on, station playlis from there.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2021 4:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using N V D A with Station Play List Studio!

 

Hi,

Did you actually install the SPL add-on? You need to install it before SPL Settings will show up.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Thomas E Williamson, Senior
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2021 1:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using N V D A with Station Play List Studio!

 

Hello,

I am using SPL, 5.40 or later,

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2021 9:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using N V D A with Station Play List Studio!

 

Hi,

What version of Studio and the SPL add-on are you using? If after installing SPL add-on and restarting NVDA, if SPL Settings does not appear, chances are that either you are using Studio 5.20 or earlier or something went wrong when loading the add-on.

Cheers,

Joseph (current SPL add-on maintainer)

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Thomas E Williamson, Senior
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2021 2:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using N V D A with Station Play List Studio!

 

Hello,

The following items occur after correctly applying your instructions:

I see settings, speech dictionary, input jestures, and punctations., but there is no station playlist.

Any suggestions!

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Doc Wright godfearer
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2021 2:39 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using N V D A with Station Play List Studio!

 

open NVDA press p for preferences

up arrow to spl settings and enter

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2021 8:37 PM

Subject: [nvda] Using N V D A with Station Play List Studio!

 

Hello,

How can I find the instructions for assigning the keys for n v d a to work with station playlist.

Please note: I have the ad-on for spl as well.

For example, in jaws, if I press the letter m, this will allow me the chance to talk on air, while my music is playing softly in the background.

It appears in N v d a, that this does not work, for some reason.

Hope that this makes since.

I appreciate any help.

I am new to using n v d a with spl.

Thanks!

Regards,

Thomas.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cuong Dang Manh
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2021 9:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA say: edit read-only when nagivate line by line in Word

 

Hi all
I think the problem caused by Office 2016. My friend use Microsoft Office 2016. I created a portable NVDA from my current NVDA, and shared to her, but the problem still occur after installing that one. Right now I don't have any computer with office 2016 install, and try to make sure this is an issue so if any of you using the latest NVDA with office 2016, please share expirience. If this is an issue, I'm going to create a tiket on github.
Cuong

On 12/31/2020 10:38 AM, Cuong Dang Manh via groups.io wrote:

Hi Giles
Thanks for your instruction. I know this, but my friend said she can edit her file normaly. Just feel a little annoy while NVDA read this each time she navigate. I'll call her to understand the problem clearly.
Appreciated your help, and replies from other member.
Cuong

On 12/30/2020 10:42 PM, Giles Turnbull wrote:

Hi Cuong,

most of the time this happens with Word, it is because the document has been emailed to the NVDA user. Regardless of whether the NVDA user has opened it directly from the email or has saved it to their computer first and then opened it, Word will open it in protected mode, which is read-only and therefore it can't be edited and many of the ribbon options, like chnaging font or changing the view to draft view will not work.

To prevent that happening, press ALT+f to open the file menu, press the down arrow key three times to get to the Info menu, press Tab to enter that menu and then press the down arrow to get to the Protected View menu. Press Tab again and you'll be on the Enable Editing option and, if you press enter, that document will become unprotected and the NVDA user should no longer hear the warning that the document is protected and can't be edited. It will remain unprotected even after you close the document or shut down the computer. The same works with Excel files :)

I hope that helps.

Giles


Re: Excel 2016: Formulas

 

Just curious if you're entering the formula in the cell or the forumula box once the cell is selected, or have perhaps tried both?

NVDA is not hanging for me, but, it had might as well be.  Whether in the cell itself, or the formula box, if I type the equal sign then start typing the word, sum, I'll get an announcement for equal sign but then everything goes silent.  I don't have letter by letter announcement as I type turned on, but even after the formula is complete (or even partially complete) and I hit space I'd expect what's there to be read, but it's not.

In the formula bar itself the behavior is the same when initially entering the formula, but if you revisit a cell later, and throw focus to the formula bar afterward, the formula is read correctly.

Also, if I start entering equal sign and have typed the S and U of sum, and begin down arrowing through the dropdown list of summation functions, these are not announced.  I always get equals su (the letters I've typed, rather than the thing in the dropdown that has focus).

I'm using Excel 2016 and 2020.beta4.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: regarding Winwizard add-on and prioritizing processes

Cristina Ebetiuc
 

Thank you!

 

Gesendet von Mail für Windows 10

 

Von: darkmad88@...
Gesendet: Samstag, 16. Januar 2021 15:31
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] regarding Winwizard add-on and prioritizing processes

 

Hi! Try Tony’s enhancements. you can read about this addon and download it from this topic:
https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/topic/79558978

 


Re: regarding Winwizard add-on and prioritizing processes

darkmad88@...
 

Hi! Try Tony’s enhancements. you can read about this addon and download it from this topic:
https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/topic/79558978


regarding Winwizard add-on and prioritizing processes

Cristina Ebetiuc
 

Hi!
How can I prioritize NVDA to real-time?

regards

 

Gesendet von Mail für Windows 10

 


Re: Is anyone using a password manager?

Jacob Kruger
 

I use KeePass 2, and, it works just fine with NVDA.


https://keepass.info/download.html


Jacob Kruger
Skype: BlindZA
"...resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2021-01-16 11:35 AM, John J. Boyer wrote:
If so, which one is it and how accessible is it?

Thankks,
John


Re: Using N V D A with Station Play List Studio!

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 


Joseph, at the time of his post the Station playlist addon was not installed. I installed it last night and an interesting thing occurred. SPL showed up in manage addons as enabled but it still did not show in preferences. He is running Windows 7, would that have anything to do with it?

----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2021 4:13 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using N V D A with Station Play List Studio!

Hi,

Okay, and apparently SPL settings isn’t showing up on NVDA preferences menu? Another way to check if SPL add-on is indeed running is:

  1. Open Studio.
  2. Press Alt+NVDA+Number row 0 (zero) while focused on Studio. If the add-on is running, settings dialog should appear.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Thomas E Williamson, Senior
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2021 3:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using N V D A with Station Play List Studio!

 

Yes, I went to N v d a add-on page, and clicked on, station playlis from there.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2021 4:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using N V D A with Station Play List Studio!

 

Hi,

Did you actually install the SPL add-on? You need to install it before SPL Settings will show up.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Thomas E Williamson, Senior
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2021 1:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using N V D A with Station Play List Studio!

 

Hello,

I am using SPL, 5.40 or later,

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2021 9:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using N V D A with Station Play List Studio!

 

Hi,

What version of Studio and the SPL add-on are you using? If after installing SPL add-on and restarting NVDA, if SPL Settings does not appear, chances are that either you are using Studio 5.20 or earlier or something went wrong when loading the add-on.

Cheers,

Joseph (current SPL add-on maintainer)

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Thomas E Williamson, Senior
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2021 2:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using N V D A with Station Play List Studio!

 

Hello,

The following items occur after correctly applying your instructions:

I see settings, speech dictionary, input jestures, and punctations., but there is no station playlist.

Any suggestions!

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Doc Wright godfearer
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2021 2:39 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using N V D A with Station Play List Studio!

 

open NVDA press p for preferences

up arrow to spl settings and enter

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2021 8:37 PM

Subject: [nvda] Using N V D A with Station Play List Studio!

 

Hello,

How can I find the instructions for assigning the keys for n v d a to work with station playlist.

Please note: I have the ad-on for spl as well.

For example, in jaws, if I press the letter m, this will allow me the chance to talk on air, while my music is playing softly in the background.

It appears in N v d a, that this does not work, for some reason.

Hope that this makes since.

I appreciate any help.

I am new to using n v d a with spl.

Thanks!

Regards,

Thomas.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cuong Dang Manh
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2021 9:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA say: edit read-only when nagivate line by line in Word

 

Hi all
I think the problem caused by Office 2016. My friend use Microsoft Office 2016. I created a portable NVDA from my current NVDA, and shared to her, but the problem still occur after installing that one. Right now I don't have any computer with office 2016 install, and try to make sure this is an issue so if any of you using the latest NVDA with office 2016, please share expirience. If this is an issue, I'm going to create a tiket on github.
Cuong

On 12/31/2020 10:38 AM, Cuong Dang Manh via groups.io wrote:

Hi Giles
Thanks for your instruction. I know this, but my friend said she can edit her file normaly. Just feel a little annoy while NVDA read this each time she navigate. I'll call her to understand the problem clearly.
Appreciated your help, and replies from other member.
Cuong

On 12/30/2020 10:42 PM, Giles Turnbull wrote:

Hi Cuong,

most of the time this happens with Word, it is because the document has been emailed to the NVDA user. Regardless of whether the NVDA user has opened it directly from the email or has saved it to their computer first and then opened it, Word will open it in protected mode, which is read-only and therefore it can't be edited and many of the ribbon options, like chnaging font or changing the view to draft view will not work.

To prevent that happening, press ALT+f to open the file menu, press the down arrow key three times to get to the Info menu, press Tab to enter that menu and then press the down arrow to get to the Protected View menu. Press Tab again and you'll be on the Enable Editing option and, if you press enter, that document will become unprotected and the NVDA user should no longer hear the warning that the document is protected and can't be edited. It will remain unprotected even after you close the document or shut down the computer. The same works with Excel files :)

I hope that helps.

Giles


Re: copying to clipboard

Gene
 

I unchecked the checkboxes that say confirm when emulating copy and confirm when emulating cut. I don't know what these items do, because I don't see why you would want to emulate copy and cut when they can be done as Windows functions. Aside from that, I use Clipspeak and unchecking the emulating check boxes causes it not to speak. the only way I've found to satisfactorily stop the confirmation dialog is to disable the add-on.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2021 3:43 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] copying to clipboard

I looked and that checkbox is unchecked by default. I am still prompted
when it is unchecked.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2021 1:42 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] copying to clipboard

That list of check boxes isn't discussed or mentioned in the help as I
recall and I read the help more than once. While some of the items are
selfexplanatory, briefly describing the options in the list or the ones that
aren't would, I expect, be helpful to many users.

Gene.
-----Original Message-----
From: Suhas Dharwad
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2021 11:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] copying to clipboard



hi,
you could go to “Select the actions which require previous confirmation”
list in the clipp contents designer settings, and uncheck “Confirm to add
text”.
Hope that helps.


---
Suhas
Sent from Thunderbird

“Things can turn out differently, Apollo.
That's the nice thing about being human.
We only have one life, but we can choose what kind of story it's going to
be.”
Rick Riordan
On 1/15/2021 23:54, mike mcglashon wrote:


Hi guys:



Since I obtained the clipboard addon for nvda,

Every time I do a ctrl-c to copy data to the clipboard,

I get a dialogue asking me to confirm that I really wish to copy it;

How do I turn this dialogue verification off?



I went into clip designer in settings but I only found three choices in the
“confirm copy when”

Always, when clipboard contains text, and when clipboard is not empty.

I do not see a choice for “never ask”.



Please advise as you like.



Mike M.



Mike mcglashon

Email: Michael.mcglashon@comcast.net

Ph: 618 783 9331


Re: copying to clipboard

Gene
 

I looked and that checkbox is unchecked by default. I am still prompted when it is unchecked.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2021 1:42 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] copying to clipboard

That list of check boxes isn't discussed or mentioned in the help as I
recall and I read the help more than once. While some of the items are
selfexplanatory, briefly describing the options in the list or the ones that
aren't would, I expect, be helpful to many users.

Gene.
-----Original Message-----
From: Suhas Dharwad
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2021 11:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] copying to clipboard



hi,
you could go to “Select the actions which require previous confirmation”
list in the clipp contents designer settings, and uncheck “Confirm to add
text”.
Hope that helps.


---
Suhas
Sent from Thunderbird

“Things can turn out differently, Apollo.
That's the nice thing about being human.
We only have one life, but we can choose what kind of story it's going to
be.”
Rick Riordan
On 1/15/2021 23:54, mike mcglashon wrote:


Hi guys:



Since I obtained the clipboard addon for nvda,

Every time I do a ctrl-c to copy data to the clipboard,

I get a dialogue asking me to confirm that I really wish to copy it;

How do I turn this dialogue verification off?



I went into clip designer in settings but I only found three choices in the
“confirm copy when”

Always, when clipboard contains text, and when clipboard is not empty.

I do not see a choice for “never ask”.



Please advise as you like.



Mike M.



Mike mcglashon

Email: Michael.mcglashon@comcast.net

Ph: 618 783 9331


Excel 2016: Formulas

Pele West
 

Hello Everyone

I am using Windows 10 20H2, NVDA 2020.4 Beta2. I have just installed
MSOffice 2016. Until yesterday I used MSOffice 2010.

I am having problems writing Excel formulas. Before I could press the
equal sign = and type the formula. Now, when I press = I can type the
first letter of the formula and NVDA hangs. I can type the formula in
with no speech and press Enter and then go back and edit it, but this is
not very satisfactory.

I have my keyboard set to speak each character as I type.

I don't know if this is a problem with the latest Beta version of NVDA
or Excel 2016 as it is a while since I used formulas.

Does anyone have any idea what is going on?

By the way, thank you everyone who helped with my VBA 2010 editor
problem, where I could not scroll through code properly. MSOffice 2016
has solved this problem.

Thanks

Pele West


Is anyone using a password manager?

John J. Boyer
 

If so, which one is it and how accessible is it?

Thankks,
John

--
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Email: john.boyer@abilitiessoft.org
website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org
Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live.
Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA
Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM services
that are available at no cost


Re: copying to clipboard

Gene
 

That list of check boxes isn't discussed or mentioned in the help as I recall and I read the help more than once. While some of the items are selfexplanatory, briefly describing the options in the list or the ones that aren't would, I expect, be helpful to many users.

Gene.

-----Original Message-----
From: Suhas Dharwad
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2021 11:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] copying to clipboard



hi,
you could go to “Select the actions which require previous confirmation” list in the clipp contents designer settings, and uncheck “Confirm to add text”.
Hope that helps.


---
Suhas
Sent from Thunderbird

“Things can turn out differently, Apollo.
That's the nice thing about being human.
We only have one life, but we can choose what kind of story it's going to be.”
Rick Riordan
On 1/15/2021 23:54, mike mcglashon wrote:


Hi guys:



Since I obtained the clipboard addon for nvda,

Every time I do a ctrl-c to copy data to the clipboard,

I get a dialogue asking me to confirm that I really wish to copy it;

How do I turn this dialogue verification off?



I went into clip designer in settings but I only found three choices in the “confirm copy when”

Always, when clipboard contains text, and when clipboard is not empty.

I do not see a choice for “never ask”.



Please advise as you like.



Mike M.



Mike mcglashon

Email: Michael.mcglashon@comcast.net

Ph: 618 783 9331


Re: copying to clipboard

Gene
 

No. Please tell me if I'm wrong by citing the text. I saw certain commands, not one of which did what is requested, but it didn't say anything about not being able to do it. While you can infer that, since no such command was given, it can't be done, it isn't stated and I understand why someone would ask, if they want to do it and don't want to assume that absence with no statement definitely means it can't be done. I would expect that ability to be available and I might want to make sure.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: tim
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2021 10:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] copying to clipboard

So you didn't see where it states its a problem with no fix.

On 1/15/2021 11:15 PM, Gene wrote:
I read the page. it isn't clear to me how to deal with the problem. I read it when I first installed the plugin and I read the relevant parts twice before responding now. You appear to contradict yourself. You say you don't and if you read the page, you will know how to deal with the problem. If you can't, then how do you deal with the problem?


Gene

On 1/15/2021 9:53 PM, tim wrote:
You don't and if read this page would know how to deal with that problem.
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/clipContentsDesigner.en.html


On 1/15/2021 1:24 PM, mike mcglashon wrote:
Hi guys:

Since I obtained the clipboard addon for nvda,

Every time I do a ctrl-c to copy data to the clipboard,

I get a dialogue asking me to confirm that I really wish to copy it;

How do I turn this dialogue verification off?

I went into clip designer in settings but I only found three choices in the “confirm copy when”

Always, when clipboard contains text, and when clipboard is not empty.

I do not see a choice for “never ask”.

Please advise as you like.

Mike M.

Mike mcglashon

Email: Michael.mcglashon@comcast.net <mailto:Michael.mcglashon@comcast.net>

Ph: 618 783 9331








Re: copying to clipboard

Suhas Dharwad
 

hi,
you could go to “Select the actions which require previous confirmation” list in the clipp contents designer settings, and uncheck “Confirm to add text”.
Hope that helps.

---
Suhas
Sent from Thunderbird

“Things can turn out differently, Apollo.
That's the nice thing about being human.
We only have one life, but we can choose what kind of story it's going to be.”
Rick Riordan
On 1/15/2021 23:54, mike mcglashon wrote:

Hi guys:

 

Since I obtained the clipboard addon for nvda,

Every time I do a ctrl-c to copy data to the clipboard,

I get a dialogue asking me to confirm that I really wish to copy it;

How do I turn this dialogue verification off?

 

I went into clip designer in settings but I only found three choices in the “confirm copy when”

Always, when clipboard contains text, and when clipboard is not empty.

I do not see a choice for “never ask”.

 

Please advise as you like.

 

Mike M.

 

Mike mcglashon

Email: Michael.mcglashon@...

Ph: 618 783 9331

 


Re: copying to clipboard

tim
 

So you didn't see where it states its a problem with no fix.

On 1/15/2021 11:15 PM, Gene wrote:
I read the page.  it isn't clear to me how to deal with the problem.  I read it when I first installed the plugin and I read the relevant parts twice before responding now.  You appear to contradict yourself.  You say you don't and if you read the page, you will know how to deal with the problem.  If you can't, then how do you deal with the problem?
Gene
On 1/15/2021 9:53 PM, tim wrote:
You don't and if read this page would know how to deal with that problem.
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/clipContentsDesigner.en.html


On 1/15/2021 1:24 PM, mike mcglashon wrote:
Hi guys:

Since I obtained the clipboard addon for nvda,

Every time I do a ctrl-c to copy data to the clipboard,

I get a dialogue asking me to confirm that I really wish to copy it;

How do I turn this dialogue verification off?

I went into clip designer in settings but I only found three choices in the “confirm copy when”

Always, when clipboard contains text, and when clipboard is not empty.

I do not see a choice for “never ask”.

Please advise as you like.

Mike M.

Mike mcglashon

Email: Michael.mcglashon@comcast.net <mailto:Michael.mcglashon@comcast.net>

Ph: 618 783 9331





Re: muting

 

On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 03:52 PM, Dan Beaver wrote:
While listening I heard him say to type S N D V O L and press enter.  But what I actually heard was tinvol not S N D V O L.  I am still frequently disgusted with how messy the pronunciation tables are for the different synths.
-
Well, it's never easy to decide how to "pronounce the unpronounceable."   Without getting too "linguist geeky" every language has what are called phonotactic constraints, which means certain sound combinations that are, and are not, allowed to occur in combination with each other.  In English, S N D, as those three letters alone, violates phonotactic constraints.  There's no English word where those three consonants, in succession, exist or can be pronounced.

And when any effort to try to pronounce this as anything other than a letter sequence is made, the result is, in one way or another, wrong.

You'll often hear people say "send vol," turning the opening into an English word that conforms to the phonotactic constraints of the language.  But they're not saying what's written on the page, but trying to come up with something that they can get out of their mouths.

Very often a number of entries in my default dictionary are acronyms that are unpronounceable under English phonotactic constraints as their single letters.  NVDA as N V D A being a perfect example.  Words, and particularly surnames where I grew up, that have their roots elsewhere in the world are hell for an English reader because you often have no idea how to pronounce them.  My favorite example, and a real one from my younger days, was the surname spelled D Z I A G W A.  I challenge any native English speaker to come even close to guessing how that one sounds.  It was pronounced as jungwa.  (that leading j is like the g in giraffe).

The poor synth folks really can't win, and I suspect this sort of things occurs in any language when something is spelled out in a way that language just doesn't allow.
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Re: copying to clipboard

Gene
 

I read the page.  it isn't clear to me how to deal with the problem.  I read it when I first installed the plugin and I read the relevant parts twice before responding now.  You appear to contradict yourself.  You say you don't and if you read the page, you will know how to deal with the problem.  If you can't, then how do you deal with the problem?


Gene

On 1/15/2021 9:53 PM, tim wrote:
You don't and if read this page would know how to deal with that problem.
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/clipContentsDesigner.en.html


On 1/15/2021 1:24 PM, mike mcglashon wrote:
Hi guys:

Since I obtained the clipboard addon for nvda,

Every time I do a ctrl-c to copy data to the clipboard,

I get a dialogue asking me to confirm that I really wish to copy it;

How do I turn this dialogue verification off?

I went into clip designer in settings but I only found three choices in the “confirm copy when”

Always, when clipboard contains text, and when clipboard is not empty.

I do not see a choice for “never ask”.

Please advise as you like.

Mike M.

Mike mcglashon

Email: Michael.mcglashon@comcast.net <mailto:Michael.mcglashon@comcast.net>

Ph: 618 783 9331




Re: muting

tim
 

That input help in NVDA is about as useless as the monitor is to a total blind person.
Least with JFW you can edit the file for input key information.

On 1/15/2021 7:33 AM, Gene wrote:
NVDA won't tell you what combinations of fn key plus another key do and I don't know if the commands are carried out when you issue the commands when in the key describer.  Since fn keys in combination with other keys never announce what action is being taken either with  input help on or off and since what they do varies from computer to computer, I think it is a very bad idea to experiment with them.  You need specific information about your computer.
Does input help describe keys like audio commands?  Of course, it describes standard keys and commands but I don't have commands such as audio commands on keyboards I use.
Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2021 1:17 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] muting
Fn is a key found on most laptops and some desktop keyboards - it's basically a modifier key you hold down and press another key to perform an action (which a full size desktop computer probably has either a key or a button for).  The most common is the F1 - F12 function keys often perform other duties such as adjusting brightness, volume or disabling a trackpad mouse on a laptop.  On some keyboards you actually have to press Fn+function key to perform the regular function, which is frustrating - you can normally toggle that, but exactly how varies from keyboard to keyboard.
In terms of figuring out what keys do, if you press NVDA+1 (the 1 on the number row, above q) it puts NVDA in Input Help mode.  Any key you press while in this mode won't do anything, but NVDA will tell you what it is, so it can be a way to find your way around a new keyboard without sighted help.
If you normally use F7 to mute NVDA, that's not an NVDA keystroke, but it's likely that is the key to mute your computer's sound.  The keystroke to mute NVDA is NVDA+s, but if F7 works, that's achieves what you need.  If it's not working right now, it might be that you've accidentally toggled your function key Fn lock.
On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 5:55 PM Neil Campbell <nrcampbell@bigpond.com> wrote:
Hello Brian
I have used F7 to toggle speech off and on before, but did not turn it off with F7 on this occasion, and F7 would not turn it back on.  What is “Fn”? I have a new keyboard which came with a new desk top computer, and there are additional keys which I don’t know the function of.  I will have to get a sighted person to tell me what they are.
Neil
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, 11 January 2021 2:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] muting
Neil,
         Mute is typically done through a dedicated key on some media keyboards, or through F6 or F7 (when used as media keys) on many laptops and some desktop keyboards.  All it takes to trigger a mute by accident is Fn+F6 (or F7) and often Fn+F6 (or F7) will toggle it back off.
          This is another of those instances where make and model information as well as whether any media keys function is enabled (and for a screen reader user I'd very, very strongly suspect it's not unless the machine is brand new and untweaked yet).  Some makers do highly unconventional things as far as what function keys correspond to what media functions.
           Gene's advice about using sndvol and getting a cheap external USB soundcard are both things to try and do.


Re: format announcements

tim
 

You might want to check setting for NVDA, because its not on by default.

On 1/15/2021 7:42 AM, Gene wrote:
This is another example of a setting that should not be on by default. This is a rather new ability.  NVDA will now announce emphasis indicators.  I'm not sure what they are, but they are announced as you have described. Context is usually enough and it doesn't benefit listeners most of the time to hear this.
To turn it off, use control NVDA key d to open document formatting.
Tab to emphasis, uncheck it, then press enter.  The dialog will close and you won't hear emphasis indicators any longer.
Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Robert Doc Wright godfearer
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2021 2:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] format announcements
when I arrow down through an email it announces strong not strong at the beginning and ending of each line. How do I turn this off?
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