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Re: closing tabs under Chrome with NVDA

Dan Beaver
 

Not on my system, something is weird.


I opened 3 tabs under Firefox and ctrl+w closed all of them and terminated Firefox completely.


I am running Firefox ESR.


Dan Beaver


On 11/27/2017 5:07 AM, Chris Mullins wrote:

Ctrl+f4 and Ctrl+w both close the current tab in Firefox, if it is the only tab open at the time the browser will close.  Chrome works the same.

 

Cheers

Chris 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dan Beaver
Sent: 26 November 2017 20:34
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] closing tabs under Chrome with NVDA

 

Well, under Firefox ctrl+f4 closes the tab I am currently viewing.  ctrl+w closes the browser.  I have never tried using ctrl+w under Firefox before now.

 

Under Chrome ctrl+f4 closes the browser and ctrl+w closes the current tab if I have multiple tabs open.

 

Dan Beaver

 

On 11/26/2017 2:42 PM, Gene wrote:

What does control w do?  If you have multiple windows opened in other programs, what does control f4 and control w do?

 

Gene

 

From: Dan Beaver

Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 1:18 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] closing tabs under Chrome with NVDA

 

Wow! Maybe there is something wrong with my system.  I have tried this lots of times because of my habit from using Firefox.  But no matter how many tabs I have open it always closes all of them and terminates Chrome.

 

Oh well.

 

Dan Beaver

 

On 11/26/2017 2:07 PM, Gene wrote:

I don't know why control f4 closes the program when there are multiple tabs opened.  Here, it closes the tab I'm in and nothing else.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Dan Beaver

Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 1:00 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] closing tabs under Chrome with NVDA

 

Actually, with multiple tabs open ctrl+f4 closes all tabs.  That is why I was trying to find out what would close just one tab.  It acts like alt+f4 and that surprised me.

 

Dan Beaver

 

On 11/26/2017 10:07 AM, Christopher Bartlett wrote:

CTRL-F4 does indeed work.  In fact ctrl-w used to do something else in chrome, so if it works now, it's a change.

Chris

 

 

On Sat, Nov 25, 2017 at 3:40 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists@...> wrote:

Which is the same for Firefox i seem to recall.
Brian

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Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2017 2:14 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] closing tabs under Chrome with NVDA


Ctrl + w

Best
Adriani


Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 25.11.2017 um 15:08 schrieb Dan Beaver <dbeaver888@...>:

Hi,



How do I do this?  I can close the entire browser but not just a tab.  I don't see a way in the help either.



Thanks.



Dan Beaver




 

 

--

Christopher Bartlett

 

 

 



OCR with NVDA

 

Hello all,

Although I have read the relevant section in the User Guide, I still
cannot seem to be able to read text that appear as image.
I arrow to the immage then focus on it with NVDA+backspace. Then I
press NVDA+R. After it says "done" I use the arrow keys to read, but
nothing happens. No text is read.
Is there something I am not doing right?
I'd appreciate your comments.
Nevzat


Re: narrator info.rther review?

anthony borg
 

Hello david

On the narrator manual it says to to go to settings I have to press ctrl plus alt plus n, but that is the NVDA key stroke to turn on NVDA. And also what is the command key to read a whole text from top to botto plese?

Thanks in advance

Anthony m

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: 27 November 2017 04:17
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: narrator info.rther review?

 

Yes most definitely!,

turn on Narrator with CTRL+Windows+Enter, and go to any image,

Press:

Shift+Caps Lock+D.

Narrator will describe the image, even if there is no text.

Very powerful!

Please email me off list if you want.

I believe that Narrator uses some kind of service to do this image description.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Robert Mendoza
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 10:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] virtualizing the current window for further review?

 

Hi, David

Can you shed some guidelines how it works in windows 10? I would like to test how could be possibly use this features.

Robert Mendoza

On 11/27/2017 10:44 AM, David Moore wrote:

Yes, Narrator does have this ability in the Fall Crators 1709.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Robert Mendoza
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 8:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] virtualizing the current window for further review?

 

Thanks. I do hope on the next future releases of Windows 10 has to

include this feature, like they did on the app of Seeing AI. Apology to

the admin for raising this off topic however, it is very interesting to

discuss it here somehow.

 

Robert Mendoza

 

On 11/27/2017 9:02 AM, John Isige wrote:

> No, it just tries to recognize text. It can't do the Facebook "picture

> may contain dog" thing, I think Narrator does something like that but

> I've never tried it. But that's something specific to Microsoft that

> Narrator's built to take advantage of, I don't think other screen

> readers have access to it.

> On 11/26/2017 17:21, Robert Mendoza wrote:

>> Sorry to interfere the discussion here but seemingly relevant somehow

>> to ask.  Just curious how precise does the OCR works with Windows 10

>> , I mean I have the installed version of the latest Windows 10 but,

>> how could possibly extend to recognize such text or images? For the

>> text I believe they worked but how about to particular images

>> represent to certain docs or sites. Do they have the capability to

>> recognize fully and how to describe the image was for, like telling

>> to the users what exactly the images looks like.

>> 

>> Robert Mendoza

>> 

>> On 11/27/2017 6:55 AM, John Isige wrote:

>>> NVDA-r runs either the OCR addon if you have it installed in

>>> previous versions of Windows, or Windows OCR in Windows 10. It will

>>> give you that kind of buffer-like thing if it recognizes text, yes.

>>> 

>>> 

>>> On 11/26/2017 16:34, Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io wrote:

>>>> and think nvda r might do it.

>>>> 

>>>> On 26/11/2017 20:27, John Isige wrote:

>>>>> There is an addon, that gives you a hotkey.

>>>>> 

>>>>> 

>>>>> https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/virtualRevision.en.html

>>>>> 

>>>>> 

>>>>> On 11/26/2017 14:24, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

>>>>>> I didn't' actually see it, but  I thougth there was a  keyboard

>>>>>> hot key I could hit to do this, or am I thinking of a different

>>>>>> screen reader.

>>>>>> 

>>>>>> Take care

>>>>>> 

>>>>>>> On Nov 26, 2017, at 12:20 PM, John Isige <gwynn@...> wrote:

>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>> There' an addon.

>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>> On 11/26/2017 14:19, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

>>>>>>>> Is there  a way of doing this? Can I hit a key stroke that will

>>>>>>>> turn let's say an error window into a virtual buffer for which

>>>>>>>> I can then copy to the clip board?

>>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>>> I thought there was a way to do this but I'm using the laptop

>>>>>>>> layout.

>>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>>> Take care

>>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>> 

>>>>>> 

>>>>>> 

>>>>>> 

>>>>> 

>>>>> 

>>>>> 

>>>>> 

>>>> 

>>>> 

>>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

 

 

 

 


Re: FW: [win10] nvda, and tutorials

Lenron
 

I feel the same way. hve been wishing for most addons to auto update
for a long time.

On 11/27/17, Jenni Kent <jennipalmer@gmail.com> wrote:
I wish all addons had an auto updater honestly. but hey you cant always
get what you want. It's hard for me to track my addon updates. I am
probably running some out of date stuff because it says posted on the
addon site not updated it would help if they changed that date to when
the add on was last updated. Just a thought.



On 11/27/2017 3:21 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Yes already mentioned this elsewhere. It seems to me that over time
this has become fragmented and a simple to follow way to report issues
might have headed off the  bits of bugs that are in the current RC as
more of the new users could have just reported the issues.
Brian

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<hurrikennyandopo@outlook.co.nz>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 8:57 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] FW: [win10] nvda, and tutorials


Hi


I just went looking for guides etc done by users etc on both the
community website and the nv access website do you reckon i could
find them easily?


I think it was quicker for me to do a search with google.


I did go to the cummunity link but way down the page past all the
other stuff there was a link to the
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda-community/wiki/Guides

New users would not really have a idea to do that unless they were
taken straight to that page.


I think I would rather just be pointed straight to the page from nvda.


I did also look under the nvaccess page as well i could find some
info under the get help sectionot the guides.

plus the shop was easy to find. But I think maybe a couple of other
sections could go there 2 to make it easier for people to find the
type of info by people of the community.

.


Gene nz


On 11/22/2017 10:42 AM, Tony Ballou wrote:

Hi,


Just my take but I think this is a great idea to have that as well as
links to the accessibility central website is there is a myriad of
tutorials and information about NVDA there. Think of it as a one-stop
shop.


Tony


On 11/20/2017 8:07 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:


Hi Quentin,
Any thoughts on this?
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: win10@win10.groups.io<mailto:win10@win10.groups.io>
[mailto:win10@win10.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2017 5:05 PM
To: win10@win10.groups.io<mailto:win10@win10.groups.io>
Subject: [win10] nvda, and tutorials

Hi.

It seems to me with all the drama going on on here that a few things
need to happen.

Firstly if there isn't a tutorials page on the nvda wiki maybe it
needs to be visible, maybe as part of the support page  or download
page or even main pages you should have links to the user guide,
audio demos of features, audio and text tutorials maybe some sort of
faq to.

It would really cut down on all the drama on here if someone wants to
fine a tutorial that we can give a centralised location where all
links to tutorials on and off site are placed.

Its only a suggestion, I am unsure how to make it a formal proposal
but it would be a good way to make most of this stuff go away and
would be generally good.

If this stuff exists deep down somewhere maybe it could be brought
together somewhere and if someone has a lot of it somewhere else then
it should be linked in this central location to.
















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Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related
material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where
you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can
use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To
find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries
(Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert
near you, please visit the following link
https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains
the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the
world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.





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Re: FW: [win10] nvda, and tutorials

Jenni Kent <jennipalmer@...>
 

I wish all addons had an auto updater honestly. but hey you cant always get what you want. It's hard for me to track my addon updates. I am probably running some out of date stuff because it says posted on the addon site not updated it would help if they changed that date to when the add on was last updated. Just a thought.

On 11/27/2017 3:21 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Yes already mentioned this elsewhere. It seems to me that over time this has become fragmented and a simple to follow way to report issues might have headed off the  bits of bugs that are in the current RC as more of the new users could have just reported the issues.
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 8:57 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] FW: [win10] nvda, and tutorials


Hi


I just went looking for guides etc done by users etc on both the community website and the nv access website do you reckon i could find them easily?


I think it was quicker for me to do a search with google.


I did go to the cummunity link but way down the page past all the other stuff there was a link to the https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda-community/wiki/Guides

New users would not really have a idea to do that unless they were taken straight to that page.


I think I would rather just be pointed straight to the page from nvda.


I did also look under the nvaccess page as well i could find some info under the get help sectionot the guides.

plus the shop was easy to find. But I think maybe a couple of other sections could go there 2 to make it easier for people to find the type of info by people of the community.

.


Gene nz


On 11/22/2017 10:42 AM, Tony Ballou wrote:

Hi,


Just my take but I think this is a great idea to have that as well as
links to the accessibility central website is there is a myriad of
tutorials and information about NVDA there. Think of it as a one-stop shop.


Tony


On 11/20/2017 8:07 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:


Hi Quentin,
Any thoughts on this?
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: win10@win10.groups.io<mailto:win10@win10.groups.io> [mailto:win10@win10.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2017 5:05 PM
To: win10@win10.groups.io<mailto:win10@win10.groups.io>
Subject: [win10] nvda, and tutorials

Hi.

It seems to me with all the drama going on on here that a few things need to happen.

Firstly if there isn't a tutorials page on the nvda wiki maybe it needs to be visible, maybe as part of the support page  or download page or even main pages you should have links to the user guide, audio demos of features, audio and text tutorials maybe some sort of faq to.

It would really cut down on all the drama on here if someone wants to fine a tutorial that we can give a centralised location where all links to tutorials on and off site are placed.

Its only a suggestion, I am unsure how to make it a formal proposal but it would be a good way to make most of this stuff go away and would be generally good.

If this stuff exists deep down somewhere maybe it could be brought together somewhere and if someone has a lot of it somewhere else then it should be linked in this central location to.
















--
[Image NVDA          certified expert]
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: virtualizing the current window for further review?

Chris Mullins
 

NVDA+r invokes ocr recognition either via the W10 intrinsic feature or in
prior windows versions, via the NVDA add-on. Virtualising a window requires
the Virtual Review add-on then uses NVDA+Ctrl+w hotkey.

Cheers
Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kevin
Cussick via Groups.Io
Sent: 26 November 2017 22:34
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] virtualizing the current window for further review?

and think nvda r might do it.

On 26/11/2017 20:27, John Isige wrote:
There is an addon, that gives you a hotkey.


https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/virtualRevision.en.html


On 11/26/2017 14:24, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
I didn't' actually see it, but  I thougth there was a  keyboard hot
key I could hit to do this, or am I thinking of a different screen
reader.

Take care

On Nov 26, 2017, at 12:20 PM, John Isige <gwynn@tds.net> wrote:

There' an addon.


On 11/26/2017 14:19, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Is there  a way of doing this? Can I hit a key stroke that will
turn let's say an error window into a virtual buffer for which I
can then copy to the clip board?

I thought there was a way to do this but I'm using the laptop layout.

Take care





Re: closing tabs under Chrome with NVDA

Chris Mullins
 

Ctrl+f4 and Ctrl+w both close the current tab in Firefox, if it is the only tab open at the time the browser will close.  Chrome works the same.

 

Cheers

Chris 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dan Beaver
Sent: 26 November 2017 20:34
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] closing tabs under Chrome with NVDA

 

Well, under Firefox ctrl+f4 closes the tab I am currently viewing.  ctrl+w closes the browser.  I have never tried using ctrl+w under Firefox before now.

 

Under Chrome ctrl+f4 closes the browser and ctrl+w closes the current tab if I have multiple tabs open.

 

Dan Beaver

 

On 11/26/2017 2:42 PM, Gene wrote:

What does control w do?  If you have multiple windows opened in other programs, what does control f4 and control w do?

 

Gene

 

From: Dan Beaver

Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 1:18 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] closing tabs under Chrome with NVDA

 

Wow! Maybe there is something wrong with my system.  I have tried this lots of times because of my habit from using Firefox.  But no matter how many tabs I have open it always closes all of them and terminates Chrome.

 

Oh well.

 

Dan Beaver

 

On 11/26/2017 2:07 PM, Gene wrote:

I don't know why control f4 closes the program when there are multiple tabs opened.  Here, it closes the tab I'm in and nothing else.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Dan Beaver

Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 1:00 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] closing tabs under Chrome with NVDA

 

Actually, with multiple tabs open ctrl+f4 closes all tabs.  That is why I was trying to find out what would close just one tab.  It acts like alt+f4 and that surprised me.

 

Dan Beaver

 

On 11/26/2017 10:07 AM, Christopher Bartlett wrote:

CTRL-F4 does indeed work.  In fact ctrl-w used to do something else in chrome, so if it works now, it's a change.

Chris

 

 

On Sat, Nov 25, 2017 at 3:40 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists@...> wrote:

Which is the same for Firefox i seem to recall.
Brian

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Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2017 2:14 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] closing tabs under Chrome with NVDA


Ctrl + w

Best
Adriani


Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 25.11.2017 um 15:08 schrieb Dan Beaver <dbeaver888@...>:

Hi,



How do I do this?  I can close the entire browser but not just a tab.  I don't see a way in the help either.



Thanks.



Dan Beaver




 

 

--

Christopher Bartlett

 

 

 


Re: not announce title attribute on link when use nvda

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Oh its over there is it?
This is why we need some sorting out of the property sheets as tabs on one dialogue I feel.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Sylvie Duchateau" <sduchateau@access42.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 8:07 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] not announce title attribute on link when use nvda


Hello,
You have to go to NVDA preferences, then to "object presentation".
Then check report object description.
While I had that unchecked, the title of the first link on your example
page was not announced.
If you need more information on objects, you can also check the boxes
"report tootips" and "report help balloons".
If you need more information on a link that has title, you can also
press nvda+tab, when you are on this link.
Also, if you go through the page with say all command or the arrow keys,
and you come on the link with title, NVDA will not speak the link title.
However, if the checkbox I meant at the beginning of this message is
checked, and if you use the tab key to browse from link to link, you
will hear the link title.
I hope this helps.
Best
Sylvie
Le 26/11/2017 à 03:35, 特種兵 a écrit :
hi all:


yes, I known that.

but the link's title attribute is not in "document setting" list.

you can try connect this page and check what is response with nvda:

http://logo.gaga.tw/link_has_title.html

thanks



Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io 於 2017/11/26 上午 04:36 寫道:
Not quite sure what you mean, in the document settings you can turn on and off lots of things to be spoken at the moment its saying heading level1 but I can tick on lots of other stuff in that dialogue and it makes navigation really irritating as so much is spoken. Is this what you mean?
Brrian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "特種兵" <afreettears@gmail.com>
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Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2017 11:04 AM
Subject: [nvda] not announce title attribute on link when use nvda


Hi all,


Why my nvda + browser not announce title attribute content on link.

This question is very secret.

but some people could hear the title attribute's content.

Like this html code:

<a href="http://www.nvaccess.org" title="open the new window" target="_blank"> nvaccess </a>

I always only hear "nvaccess" when use nvda + browser(firefox, ie) on web or html file.

and I test some machine the result is the same.

example:

win 7, win 10, nvda + firefox or nvda + ie

But there are few people use their pc can hear it.

Through long time, I still not understand what's wrong?

Would some body tell me what about?


Sorry for my terrible English, my english teacher cry if she read the letter.


Logo Kuo from Taiwan









Re: Not announcing position in email list pane in Windows Live Mail

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Which version of wlm is it?
I'm not aware anything should have altered but then I ditch wlm after the third time it lost its folders and am back on the hacked Outlook express again, which seems mor reliable.
Brian

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Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 7:29 AM
Subject: [nvda] Not announcing position in email list pane in Windows Live Mail


Please excuse me for re-posting this. Maybe everyone missed it last time.

Until installing NVDA 2017.3 WLM would say where I was in the list of emails in my Inbox and other folders - for example it would end its speech for an email by saying 1 of 6.

The Essentials add-on, in its General section has a statement that NVDA no longer announces position in a list for some apps.

Is this intentional or will the function return after bug fixes, etc? Brian Crabtree


Re: virtualizing the current window for further review?

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Ah yes, Giraffe on bed, very handy that one...
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From: "David Moore" <jesusloves1966@gmail.com>
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Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 3:16 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] virtualizing the current window for further review?


Yes most definitely!,
turn on Narrator with CTRL+Windows+Enter, and go to any image,
Press:
Shift+Caps Lock+D.
Narrator will describe the image, even if there is no text.
Very powerful!
Please email me off list if you want.
I believe that Narrator uses some kind of service to do this image description.
David Moore
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Robert Mendoza
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 10:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] virtualizing the current window for further review?

Hi, David

Can you shed some guidelines how it works in windows 10? I would like to test how could be possibly use this features.

Robert Mendoza
On 11/27/2017 10:44 AM, David Moore wrote:
Yes, Narrator does have this ability in the Fall Crators 1709.
David Moore
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Robert Mendoza
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 8:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] virtualizing the current window for further review?

Thanks. I do hope on the next future releases of Windows 10 has to
include this feature, like they did on the app of Seeing AI. Apology to
the admin for raising this off topic however, it is very interesting to
discuss it here somehow.

Robert Mendoza

On 11/27/2017 9:02 AM, John Isige wrote:
No, it just tries to recognize text. It can't do the Facebook "picture
may contain dog" thing, I think Narrator does something like that but
I've never tried it. But that's something specific to Microsoft that
Narrator's built to take advantage of, I don't think other screen
readers have access to it.


On 11/26/2017 17:21, Robert Mendoza wrote:
Sorry to interfere the discussion here but seemingly relevant somehow
to ask. Just curious how precise does the OCR works with Windows 10
, I mean I have the installed version of the latest Windows 10 but,
how could possibly extend to recognize such text or images? For the
text I believe they worked but how about to particular images
represent to certain docs or sites. Do they have the capability to
recognize fully and how to describe the image was for, like telling
to the users what exactly the images looks like.

Robert Mendoza

On 11/27/2017 6:55 AM, John Isige wrote:
NVDA-r runs either the OCR addon if you have it installed in
previous versions of Windows, or Windows OCR in Windows 10. It will
give you that kind of buffer-like thing if it recognizes text, yes.


On 11/26/2017 16:34, Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io wrote:
and think nvda r might do it.

On 26/11/2017 20:27, John Isige wrote:
There is an addon, that gives you a hotkey.


https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/virtualRevision.en.html


On 11/26/2017 14:24, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
I didn't' actually see it, but I thougth there was a keyboard
hot key I could hit to do this, or am I thinking of a different
screen reader.

Take care

On Nov 26, 2017, at 12:20 PM, John Isige <gwynn@tds.net> wrote:

There' an addon.


On 11/26/2017 14:19, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Is there a way of doing this? Can I hit a key stroke that will
turn let's say an error window into a virtual buffer for which
I can then copy to the clip board?

I thought there was a way to do this but I'm using the laptop
layout.

Take care











Re: NVDA Situational Unresponsiveness

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Yes funny though don't you think how often this pane seems to miraculously come back again!
Its more of a problem on some machines with struggling graphic hardware.
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Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@outlook.co.nz> wrote:
did you try disablingadd ons? and see if you get the same result? You can reinable them one by one just in case it is one of them causing it.

My suspicion is that the OP's problem came from having the preview pane turned on.
In file explorer, Press
alt, v, p
to turn it off.


Re: NVDA Situational Unresponsiveness

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Seconded and make the blooming code see when processors need to speed up as well.
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Hi,

Toasts not being read, no responsiveness when you switch between apps, no feedback in File Explorer… Microsoft, I beg you one more time: do something about UIA performance!

Cheers,

Joseph



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Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 4:39 PM
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Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Situational Unresponsiveness



We'll see if the original poster has the same symptoms. The original message said that aside from alt tabbing through program windows and having toasts read, other things were alright. At this point, without more information, it isn't clear that the problem is the same. I'm not saying either way; I'm saying that we don't have enough information.



Gene

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Hi,

Can confirm this.

I can also confirm that yes, CPU cycles have a lot to do with this.

This is also, for me at least, when explorer browsing becomes unresponsive and folders will not read. E.g. go into this pc, hit l for local disk. NVDA will say local disk © if you hit NVDA+t, but apart from that will not read the contents of the window.

I’m glad others are seeing this. I was beginning to wonder if I was the only one.





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Do other screen-readers have the same problem? I don't that the problem has anything to do with computer power being used. Since other activities are still performed well or reasonably quickly, it sounds to me as though the copy dialog may be covering a part of the screen these activities use or causing some sort of conflict that keeps some information from reaching NVDA. Of course, that may be completely wrong but perhaps we'll see.



Gene

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Subject: [nvda] NVDA Situational Unresponsiveness



There is a behavior in NVDA that is rather bothersome.
During a task that requires a lot of processing, such as a large file copy, a batch file conversion, or some other process that uses a lot of CPU cycles, NVDA will stop reading the alt tab list after the first entry. Hitting alt-tab produces only silence. In addition, NVDA will not read new notifications, or toasts in windows 10 parlance. GEneral responsiveness is not impacted; only th ese two situations--the alt tab and the toasts.
I do not recall if this occurs in windows 7, but can test if necessary.
What is causing this and has a fix been proposed?


Re: NVDA Situational Unresponsiveness

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Of course in other screenreaders its been my experience and to some extent on nvda too that the snappiness in explorer does not actualy mean the file you hear is selected, actually is. so often I've hit return on one audio file only to find that a file several lines away is in fact played. the actual speed of the response is immaterial. I'm told its the slow implementation of UIA in Windows 10 which is the issue. I think Nvda has a shot at trying to keep the real selection and what you hear in sync, but does not always work. On many laptops this can be speeded up by disabling the power saving throttling of core speeds for the processor with the loss of battery life that it brings of course. It seems that Windows, particularly 10 is very bad at detecting that the speed of the processor needs to be jacked up. It merely runs out of time and goes slow. The sighted even report this as well but not as badly as of course more processing is needed for our use.

Again we are suffering for the architecture of the machine and the way 32 bit software works. If somebody could make a processor that went really fast it would probably be much better, but I do not intend to get a watercooled super computer here to play my audio on!

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Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Situational Unresponsiveness


I hope I am not getting off topic,
But NVDA is very sluggish when I arrow through my documents in my documents folder, for example. With JAWS, it is so snappy when I press the down arrow very quickly and hear the names of the documents. NVDA is sluggish when I arrow through a lot of any files, like a large list of music files. When I press the down arrow, I have to wait a couple of seconds for NVDA to say the name of the next folder, even in This PC. I am using latest NVDA, and Windows 10 Fall creators.
I was just curious about this.
Take care, guys!
David Moore
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Tyler Wood
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 7:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Situational Unresponsiveness

Hi,
Can confirm this.
I can also confirm that yes, CPU cycles have a lot to do with this.
This is also, for me at least, when explorer browsing becomes unresponsive and folders will not read. E.g. go into this pc, hit l for local disk. NVDA will say local disk © if you hit NVDA+t, but apart from that will not read the contents of the window.
I’m glad others are seeing this. I was beginning to wonder if I was the only one.


From: Gene
Sent: November 26, 2017 4:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Situational Unresponsiveness

Do other screen-readers have the same problem? I don't that the problem has anything to do with computer power being used. Since other activities are still performed well or reasonably quickly, it sounds to me as though the copy dialog may be covering a part of the screen these activities use or causing some sort of conflict that keeps some information from reaching NVDA. Of course, that may be completely wrong but perhaps we'll see.

Gene
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Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 4:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Situational Unresponsiveness

There is a behavior in NVDA that is rather bothersome.
During a task that requires a lot of processing, such as a large file copy, a batch file conversion, or some other process that uses a lot of CPU cycles, NVDA will stop reading the alt tab list after the first entry. Hitting alt-tab produces only silence. In addition, NVDA will not read new notifications, or toasts in windows 10 parlance. GEneral responsiveness is not impacted; only th ese two situations--the alt tab and the toasts.
I do not recall if this occurs in windows 7, but can test if necessary.
What is causing this and has a fix been proposed?


Re: virtualizing the current window for further review?

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No its cloud based I think. Its used in the seeing AI app on the I phone too.
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No, it just tries to recognize text. It can't do the Facebook "picture may contain dog" thing, I think Narrator does something like that but I've never tried it. But that's something specific to Microsoft that Narrator's built to take advantage of, I don't think other screen readers have access to it.


On 11/26/2017 17:21, Robert Mendoza wrote:
Sorry to interfere the discussion here but seemingly relevant somehow to ask. Just curious how precise does the OCR works with Windows 10 , I mean I have the installed version of the latest Windows 10 but, how could possibly extend to recognize such text or images? For the text I believe they worked but how about to particular images represent to certain docs or sites. Do they have the capability to recognize fully and how to describe the image was for, like telling to the users what exactly the images looks like.

Robert Mendoza

On 11/27/2017 6:55 AM, John Isige wrote:
NVDA-r runs either the OCR addon if you have it installed in previous versions of Windows, or Windows OCR in Windows 10. It will give you that kind of buffer-like thing if it recognizes text, yes.


On 11/26/2017 16:34, Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io wrote:
and think nvda r might do it.

On 26/11/2017 20:27, John Isige wrote:
There is an addon, that gives you a hotkey.


https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/virtualRevision.en.html


On 11/26/2017 14:24, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
I didn't' actually see it, but I thougth there was a keyboard hot key I could hit to do this, or am I thinking of a different screen reader.

Take care

On Nov 26, 2017, at 12:20 PM, John Isige <gwynn@tds.net> wrote:

There' an addon.


On 11/26/2017 14:19, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Is there a way of doing this? Can I hit a key stroke that will turn let's say an error window into a virtual buffer for which I can then copy to the clip board?

I thought there was a way to do this but I'm using the laptop layout.

Take care









Re: NVDA Situational Unresponsiveness

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Its not the only weirdness. For example if you are saving a file in a dialogue sometimes, you might elect to move before the file name in the field then type in a path. This action can often be totally silent and only catch up if you wait several seconds.
Also I've noticed that nvda speech and beeps can be broken up if say, the system is still indexing an explorer window while you attempt to cursor to an item. This on an I 5 with power saving processor disabled and 8 gigs of ram and an ssd main drive. My investigations lead me to believe that when Windows is running 32 bit stuff as it tends to do a lot of the time that one or maybe two of the processors maxes out in peaks and causes these issues. After all in real terms each processor is not running that fast , and on supposes that all need access to ram etc and tend to hold each other up.

One of the dubious joys of multicore processing!
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Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 10:40 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Situational Unresponsiveness


There is a behavior in NVDA that is rather bothersome.
During a task that requires a lot of processing, such as a large file copy, a batch file conversion, or some other process that uses a lot of CPU cycles, NVDA will stop reading the alt tab list after the first entry. Hitting alt-tab produces only silence. In addition, NVDA will not read new notifications, or toasts in windows 10 parlance. GEneral responsiveness is not impacted; only th ese two situations--the alt tab and the toasts.
I do not recall if this occurs in windows 7, but can test if necessary.
What is causing this and has a fix been proposed?


Re: FW: [win10] nvda, and tutorials

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Yes already mentioned this elsewhere. It seems to me that over time this has become fragmented and a simple to follow way to report issues might have headed off the bits of bugs that are in the current RC as more of the new users could have just reported the issues.
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Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 8:57 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] FW: [win10] nvda, and tutorials


Hi


I just went looking for guides etc done by users etc on both the community website and the nv access website do you reckon i could find them easily?


I think it was quicker for me to do a search with google.


I did go to the cummunity link but way down the page past all the other stuff there was a link to the https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda-community/wiki/Guides

New users would not really have a idea to do that unless they were taken straight to that page.


I think I would rather just be pointed straight to the page from nvda.


I did also look under the nvaccess page as well i could find some info under the get help sectionot the guides.

plus the shop was easy to find. But I think maybe a couple of other sections could go there 2 to make it easier for people to find the type of info by people of the community.

.


Gene nz


On 11/22/2017 10:42 AM, Tony Ballou wrote:

Hi,


Just my take but I think this is a great idea to have that as well as
links to the accessibility central website is there is a myriad of
tutorials and information about NVDA there. Think of it as a one-stop shop.


Tony


On 11/20/2017 8:07 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:


Hi Quentin,
Any thoughts on this?
Cheers,
Joseph

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Sent: Monday, November 20, 2017 5:05 PM
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Subject: [win10] nvda, and tutorials

Hi.

It seems to me with all the drama going on on here that a few things need to happen.

Firstly if there isn't a tutorials page on the nvda wiki maybe it needs to be visible, maybe as part of the support page or download page or even main pages you should have links to the user guide, audio demos of features, audio and text tutorials maybe some sort of faq to.

It would really cut down on all the drama on here if someone wants to fine a tutorial that we can give a centralised location where all links to tutorials on and off site are placed.

Its only a suggestion, I am unsure how to make it a formal proposal but it would be a good way to make most of this stuff go away and would be generally good.

If this stuff exists deep down somewhere maybe it could be brought together somewhere and if someone has a lot of it somewhere else then it should be linked in this central location to.
















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Re: what NVDA echos

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Sounds like its back to Microsoft then. However it would be interesting to know if all use the same synth if they all say it or not.
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Subject: Re: [nvda] what NVDA echos


This is synth dependent. Under the one core voices I get Cuban Pesos too, but under Eloquence it reads just fine. Also under eSpeak NG, Rh Voice, Svox Pico, and Nuance Vocalizer. All of those read as cup the drinking vessel, not Cuban Pesos.


On 11/26/2017 13:07, Brice Mijares wrote:
Well I removed decaccess32 and using the one core voice David and still hearing 1 slash 2 cuban pesos flour. for the following line.
1/2 cup flour.
And if I add s to cup, it says it correctly. Stilled baffled!

On 11/26/2017 10:35 AM, John Isige wrote:
I don't hear that, it reads fine for me. But with SAPI 5 Code Factory Eloquence, HTML headings can get pretty messed up, e.g. if heading one is Mary it will read as like "March stwan Mary", because it's interpreting the heading number as a date, I think. So you can get some odd stuff, depending on the synth you're using.


On 11/26/2017 12:08, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Depends on the route you took to obtain that synthesizer (if it's the one I'm thinking of).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] what NVDA echos

Do you recommend removing access 32? Also, I have speech rate set at 90 and it's still slow. Thank you.

On 11/26/2017 9:41 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
I'm thinking Espeak NG won't have this problem for now. Most of the things you hear (well, for cases like the one outlined below) is controlled by speech synthesizers.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
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Brice Mijares
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:36 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] what NVDA echos

I think access 32 with one core voice David, I think. Thank you.

On 11/26/2017 9:30 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
What synthesizer are you using?
Cheers,
Joseph

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Brice Mijares
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:10 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] what NVDA echos

The next line ,
1/2 cup flour
is echoed by NVDA as 1 slash 2 Cuban pesos flour. Does anyone else using NVDA hear it that way? I am baffled.



















Re: what NVDA echos

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What is the computer language?Is it Spanish?
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Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 8:23 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] what NVDA echos


I just wrote the following line in notepad.
1/2 cup flour.
it read perfectly using window Eyes and Jaws, but NVDA says Cuban Peso for the word cup. You'd want the / mark to know it's .5cup No big deal knowing that It has something to do with NVDA since no other screen reader says Cuban Pesos. Thanks

On 11/26/2017 11:38 AM, Gene wrote:

If cup is the abbreviation for Cuban pesos, adding an s may cause it not to be recognized since it isn't the correct form. Are you objecting to the slash or the Cuban Pesos? How is your punctuation set? You will have to set it to none not to hear the slash.
Also, let's be sure nothing is being overlooked. It is unlikely that the word cup would be read as Cuban pesos by any synthesizer or screen-reader. If it were, then any time the word cup were found in text, it would be read as Cuban pesos as in "My Cuban pesos runneth over." So check the recipe. How, exactly is it written? Is it written as cup or as cp? Is it small letters or capitalized?

Gene
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*Sent:* Sunday, November 26, 2017 1:07 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] what NVDA echos

Well I removed decaccess32 and using the one core voice David and still
hearing 1 slash 2 cuban pesos flour. for the following line.
1/2 cup flour.
And if I add s to cup, it says it correctly. Stilled baffled!

On 11/26/2017 10:35 AM, John Isige wrote:
> I don't hear that, it reads fine for me. But with SAPI 5 Code Factory
> Eloquence, HTML headings can get pretty messed up, e.g. if heading one
> is Mary it will read as like "March stwan Mary", because it's
> interpreting the heading number as a date, I think. So you can get
some
> odd stuff, depending on the synth you're using.
>
>
> On 11/26/2017 12:08, Joseph Lee wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Depends on the route you took to obtain that synthesizer (if it's the
>> one I'm thinking of).
>> Cheers,
>> Joseph
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>> Brice Mijares
>> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:48 AM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] what NVDA echos
>>
>> Do you recommend removing access 32? Also, I have speech rate set at
>> 90 and it's still slow. Thank you.
>>
>> On 11/26/2017 9:41 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> I'm thinking Espeak NG won't have this problem for now. Most of the
>>> things you hear (well, for cases like the one outlined below) is
>>> controlled by speech synthesizers.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Joseph
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>>> Brice Mijares
>>> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:36 AM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] what NVDA echos
>>>
>>> I think access 32 with one core voice David, I think. Thank you.
>>>
>>> On 11/26/2017 9:30 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>> What synthesizer are you using?
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Joseph
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>>>> Brice Mijares
>>>> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:10 AM
>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>> Subject: [nvda] what NVDA echos
>>>>
>>>> The next line ,
>>>> 1/2 cup flour
>>>> is echoed by NVDA as 1 slash 2 Cuban pesos flour. Does anyone else
>>>> using NVDA hear it that way? I am baffled.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>



Re: virtualizing the current window for further review?

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Well if the window is read and you can get object or screen nav onto the text you want to copy then nvda numpad 5 three times copies it to clipboard. I'm sorry not actually figured out the equivelent to this on a laptop keyboard.
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Subject: [nvda] virtualizing the current window for further review?


Is there a way of doing this? Can I hit a key stroke that will turn let's say an error window into a virtual buffer for which I can then copy to the clip board?

I thought there was a way to do this but I'm using the laptop layout.

Take care


Re: what NVDA echos

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It has to be yet another weird one.
What happens on a UK post code, such as
KT1 5NY

Does the NY generate New york or not. It sounds like your synth is actually doing Spanish abbreviations not American ones.
I had hoped Microsoft would have a way to disable all this junk if you wanted to. Even speak expands DR into doctor, and I notice sappi puts roman numerals into figures, at least Espeak normally says roman before them but it can still be a pain in books where a British police DCI comes out as a number.
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Well I removed decaccess32 and using the one core voice David and still hearing 1 slash 2 cuban pesos flour. for the following line.
1/2 cup flour.
And if I add s to cup, it says it correctly. Stilled baffled!

On 11/26/2017 10:35 AM, John Isige wrote:
I don't hear that, it reads fine for me. But with SAPI 5 Code Factory Eloquence, HTML headings can get pretty messed up, e.g. if heading one is Mary it will read as like "March stwan Mary", because it's interpreting the heading number as a date, I think. So you can get some odd stuff, depending on the synth you're using.


On 11/26/2017 12:08, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Depends on the route you took to obtain that synthesizer (if it's the one I'm thinking of).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brice Mijares
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] what NVDA echos

Do you recommend removing access 32? Also, I have speech rate set at 90 and it's still slow. Thank you.

On 11/26/2017 9:41 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
I'm thinking Espeak NG won't have this problem for now. Most of the things you hear (well, for cases like the one outlined below) is controlled by speech synthesizers.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Brice Mijares
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:36 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] what NVDA echos

I think access 32 with one core voice David, I think. Thank you.

On 11/26/2017 9:30 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
What synthesizer are you using?
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
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Brice Mijares
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:10 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] what NVDA echos

The next line ,
1/2 cup flour
is echoed by NVDA as 1 slash 2 Cuban pesos flour. Does anyone else using NVDA hear it that way? I am baffled.