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Re: Firefox 57 etc

Gene
 

Yes.  If you already have add ons installed with the installed version, I don't know if the portable version sees them.  So before installing add ons, see if the portable version works with them already.
 
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Can you put add ons in the portable version?
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox 57 etc


Then it may be that downgrading to the ESR version incorrectly may cause
problems, at least for some users.  You should avoid such problems by using
the portable version which, as I said in earlier messages, I think is a
better option anyway.

Gene
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That is what I thought, but then I did a check for updates inside it it
offered me version 56 which I declined.
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Sent: Friday, November 03, 2017 6:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox 57 etc


I thought the whole point of the ESR version was that   it would not update
to 57 until about June next year, when hopefully the accessibility issues
will have improved. According to the FS Blog on this they say that people
using ESR will however continue to get the latest security updates
installed into Firefox ESR but  will not be vulnerable to the main upgrade
to 57 until next year.
David Griffith
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox 57 etc

Yes I saw a message on the issues list from James, about some fixing for
version 58, so maybe it will get resolved from the currently unusable state.
Its new users of any screenreader I feel sorry for, especially where its a
shared machine and the sighted member just lets firefox update.
 There are a couple of other issues. It disabled both my add ons,
navigational sounds and Ublock Origin ad blocker and even when I put the
version 52 back on I had to re download both add ons and install them again.
Not only that but nvda after the update could not read the screen of the add
ons manager, I had to exit  firefox completely and go back in again to see
if they had installed correctly, I'm sure this was not the case prior to up
and down dating the version I had, which was 55. How also does one set 52 to
get security updates without letting it update to 57 as I see it wants to do
till I set updates to no, ie not recommended.
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Sent: Friday, November 03, 2017 10:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox 57 etc


> Hi, Brian
>
>
> I have the same issue on the other machine, and that is the reason why I
> keep to shift instead to use the Firefox ESR version 52 but for now I will
> stick to this version because there is likely more stable in performance
> and never has a problem. And, once the issue has fix maybe I could go for
> to use and test it again.
>
>
> Robert Mendoza
>
> On 11/3/2017 6:00 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
>> With regard to this version of Firefox, and in addition to what Joseph
>> posted about it. Here is what me acting as the average unaware updater
>> found.
>> After installation only the menus work, no content on the page is
>> readable, you cannot go into any browse or focus mode. You just here
>> unknown.
>> Now there may well be some kind of setting that can be altered, I do not
>> know, to achieve what he got, slow but functioning. I could not find any
>> option for this. Not only that but it seemed to lose almost half of my
>> bookmarks as well.
>>
>> So unless they fix this on the release version anyone trying to use
>> Firefox 57 when it comes out with the latest version of nvda, and I am up
>> to date with the master branch here, will not be able to do so unless
>> they know how to make it work.
>> If these people are employees then they will probably need the permission
>> of an admin to reinstall a version like 55, and turn off auto updates. I
>> have reinstalled 52 in actual fact and got my bookmarks back as well as
>> functionality. To my mind the makers of Firefox at the current state of
>> play should be able to see if screenreading software is on a machine in a
>> similar way to Adobe reader or Jarte does, and prevent it from updating
>> to an unworkable version.
>> I cannot understand why they have not done this.
>>
>> Anyone care to comment?
>> Brian
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Re: Unable to Get into Browser Mode

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If you download the latest master snapshot you can test it out now.
Probably in a couple of weeks time if nothing big shows up I'd say. However do not update Firefox past version 56 please to protect your own sanity.
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Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2017 4:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unable to Get into Browser Mode


When is that coming out?


On 11/4/2017 12:22 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Resolved in 2017.4.
Cheers,
Joseph

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Subject: [nvda] Unable to Get into Browser Mode

All,


If I have a page in Fierfox open and close NVDA, the next time I start NVDA it appears to get stuck in focus mode so I can't easily navigate around the page. I have to restart Firefox to fix this. Anyone know a solution?










Re: Unable to Get into Browser Mode

kelby carlson
 

When is that coming out?

On 11/4/2017 12:22 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Resolved in 2017.4.
Cheers,
Joseph

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Subject: [nvda] Unable to Get into Browser Mode

All,


If I have a page in Fierfox open and close NVDA, the next time I start NVDA it appears to get stuck in focus mode so I can't easily navigate around the page. I have to restart Firefox to fix this. Anyone know a solution?









Re: Unable to Get into Browser Mode

 

Hi,
Resolved in 2017.4.
Cheers,
Joseph

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Sent: Saturday, November 4, 2017 9:09 AM
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Subject: [nvda] Unable to Get into Browser Mode

All,


If I have a page in Fierfox open and close NVDA, the next time I start NVDA it appears to get stuck in focus mode so I can't easily navigate around the page. I have to restart Firefox to fix this. Anyone know a solution?


Re: Firefox 57 etc

P. Otter
 

hello, in the versions before it was possible but i don't know if it is possible for 57!
i think it is possible as before.
cheers
paul otter


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Can you put add ons in the portable version?
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
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Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2017 10:06 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox 57 etc


Then it may be that downgrading to the ESR version incorrectly may cause problems, at least for some users.  You should avoid such problems by using the portable version which, as I said in earlier messages, I think is a better option anyway.

Gene
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox 57 etc


That is what I thought, but then I did a check for updates inside it it
offered me version 56 which I declined.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "David Griffith" <daj.griffith@gmail.com>
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Sent: Friday, November 03, 2017 6:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox 57 etc


I thought the whole point of the ESR version was that   it would not update
to 57 until about June next year, when hopefully the accessibility issues
will have improved. According to the FS Blog on this they say that people
using ESR will however continue to get the latest security updates
installed into Firefox ESR but  will not be vulnerable to the main upgrade
to 57 until next year.
David Griffith
.

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My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox 57 etc

Yes I saw a message on the issues list from James, about some fixing for
version 58, so maybe it will get resolved from the currently unusable state.
Its new users of any screenreader I feel sorry for, especially where its a
shared machine and the sighted member just lets firefox update.
There are a couple of other issues. It disabled both my add ons,
navigational sounds and Ublock Origin ad blocker and even when I put the
version 52 back on I had to re download both add ons and install them again.
Not only that but nvda after the update could not read the screen of the add
ons manager, I had to exit  firefox completely and go back in again to see
if they had installed correctly, I'm sure this was not the case prior to up
and down dating the version I had, which was 55. How also does one set 52 to
get security updates without letting it update to 57 as I see it wants to do
till I set updates to no, ie not recommended.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Mendoza" <lowvisiontek@gmail.com>
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Sent: Friday, November 03, 2017 10:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox 57 etc


Hi, Brian


I have the same issue on the other machine, and that is the reason why I
keep to shift instead to use the Firefox ESR version 52 but for now I will
stick to this version because there is likely more stable in performance
and never has a problem. And, once the issue has fix maybe I could go for
to use and test it again.


Robert Mendoza

On 11/3/2017 6:00 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
With regard to this version of Firefox, and in addition to what Joseph
posted about it. Here is what me acting as the average unaware updater
found.
After installation only the menus work, no content on the page is
readable, you cannot go into any browse or focus mode. You just here
unknown.
Now there may well be some kind of setting that can be altered, I do not
know, to achieve what he got, slow but functioning. I could not find any
option for this. Not only that but it seemed to lose almost half of my
bookmarks as well.

So unless they fix this on the release version anyone trying to use
Firefox 57 when it comes out with the latest version of nvda, and I am up
to date with the master branch here, will not be able to do so unless
they know how to make it work.
If these people are employees then they will probably need the permission
of an admin to reinstall a version like 55, and turn off auto updates. I
have reinstalled 52 in actual fact and got my bookmarks back as well as
functionality. To my mind the makers of Firefox at the current state of
play should be able to see if screenreading software is on a machine in a
similar way to Adobe reader or Jarte does, and prevent it from updating
to an unworkable version.
I cannot understand why they have not done this.

Anyone care to comment?
Brian

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Unable to Get into Browser Mode

kelby carlson
 

All,


If I have a page in Fierfox open and close NVDA, the next time I start NVDA it appears to get stuck in focus mode so I can't easily navigate around the page. I have to restart Firefox to fix this. Anyone know a solution?


Re: Installing NVDA and disabling some sort of security setting

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

I think this link should explain the issue.

https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/pull/7697#pullrequestreview-73079514


Basically though, Only if you have enabled the feature will things fail. it looks like if its just an update, you should be OK.
Brian
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From: "Mary Otten" <motten53@gmail.com>
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Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2017 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Installing NVDA and disabling some sort of security setting


Hi John,
Yes, you are talking about the same thing I am. I happen to like desktop shortcuts, so I would really like to find out what it is so it can be turned off when NVDA and other things that could make shortcuts are installed. So if you happen to find the message or remember what it’s called, please detail. Thank you in advance.
Mary


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On Nov 4, 2017, at 12:00 AM, John Isige <gwynn@tds.net> wrote:

No, there's a new thing in the latest Windows 10. I think I still have
the message somewhere or other. It prevents the installer from making a
desktop shortcut and it might give an error or something, but apparently
NVDA runs just fine once it's done, other than not having the desktop
shortcut.


On 11/4/2017 1:47, Gene New Zealand wrote:

Hi


you are not talking about the UAC screen that comes up when you go to
install a copy of NVDA onto a machine? if this does come up use the
ALT key + letter Y to say yes to it or just tab to it. then NVDA will
finish installing.


Unless a anti virus program does it? then you would have to look in
that virus program and make it a exception


Gene nz

.


On 11/4/2017 11:40 AM, Mary Otten wrote:
Recently, I saw a message that talked about the need to disable some sort of security settings in windows 10 when you were installing NVDA. It was a folder I think that you couldn’t get access to and less you disable the setting, and NVDA needs to have that access when it installs. I’ve just spent some time looking through old messages trying to find this and I can’t. Can anybody help me out? I’m sorry to be so vague, but I just can’t find this message.
Mary


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Re: Firefox 57 etc

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Can you put add ons in the portable version?
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Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2017 10:06 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox 57 etc


Then it may be that downgrading to the ESR version incorrectly may cause problems, at least for some users. You should avoid such problems by using the portable version which, as I said in earlier messages, I think is a better option anyway.

Gene
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox 57 etc


That is what I thought, but then I did a check for updates inside it it
offered me version 56 which I declined.
Brian

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Sent: Friday, November 03, 2017 6:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox 57 etc


I thought the whole point of the ESR version was that it would not update
to 57 until about June next year, when hopefully the accessibility issues
will have improved. According to the FS Blog on this they say that people
using ESR will however continue to get the latest security updates
installed into Firefox ESR but will not be vulnerable to the main upgrade
to 57 until next year.
David Griffith
.

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: 03 November 2017 18:17
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox 57 etc

Yes I saw a message on the issues list from James, about some fixing for
version 58, so maybe it will get resolved from the currently unusable state.
Its new users of any screenreader I feel sorry for, especially where its a
shared machine and the sighted member just lets firefox update.
There are a couple of other issues. It disabled both my add ons,
navigational sounds and Ublock Origin ad blocker and even when I put the
version 52 back on I had to re download both add ons and install them again.
Not only that but nvda after the update could not read the screen of the add
ons manager, I had to exit firefox completely and go back in again to see
if they had installed correctly, I'm sure this was not the case prior to up
and down dating the version I had, which was 55. How also does one set 52 to
get security updates without letting it update to 57 as I see it wants to do
till I set updates to no, ie not recommended.
Brian

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From: "Robert Mendoza" <lowvisiontek@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, November 03, 2017 10:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox 57 etc


Hi, Brian


I have the same issue on the other machine, and that is the reason why I
keep to shift instead to use the Firefox ESR version 52 but for now I will
stick to this version because there is likely more stable in performance
and never has a problem. And, once the issue has fix maybe I could go for
to use and test it again.


Robert Mendoza

On 11/3/2017 6:00 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
With regard to this version of Firefox, and in addition to what Joseph
posted about it. Here is what me acting as the average unaware updater
found.
After installation only the menus work, no content on the page is
readable, you cannot go into any browse or focus mode. You just here
unknown.
Now there may well be some kind of setting that can be altered, I do not
know, to achieve what he got, slow but functioning. I could not find any
option for this. Not only that but it seemed to lose almost half of my
bookmarks as well.

So unless they fix this on the release version anyone trying to use
Firefox 57 when it comes out with the latest version of nvda, and I am up
to date with the master branch here, will not be able to do so unless
they know how to make it work.
If these people are employees then they will probably need the permission
of an admin to reinstall a version like 55, and turn off auto updates. I
have reinstalled 52 in actual fact and got my bookmarks back as well as
functionality. To my mind the makers of Firefox at the current state of
play should be able to see if screenreading software is on a machine in a
similar way to Adobe reader or Jarte does, and prevent it from updating
to an unworkable version.
I cannot understand why they have not done this.

Anyone care to comment?
Brian

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Re: Firefox 57 etc

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I was not sure how much that was still being developed. I seem to recall I had issues working out adblockers and sounds with it, does it allow these to be installed these days, and more to the point is it going to go down the same route browser wise as Firefox with the onver zealous use of high security methods.
Brian

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From: "Tony Ballou" <cyberpro224@outlook.com>
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Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2017 12:39 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox 57 etc


Hi,


Another alternative to possibly ponder here, in recent months I've been
using sea monkey with NVDA and it works great. For those who are not
aware, this is an online suite of programs from Mozilla, which combine
an HTML editor, web browser, and Email client. It is accessible with
NVDA has a myriad of keyboard shortcuts, and if you know Firefox and
Thunderbird, you've basically got the game won. Just a thought.


Tony


On 11/3/2017 6:00 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
With regard to this version of Firefox, and in addition to what
Joseph posted about it. Here is what me acting as the average unaware
updater found.
After installation only the menus work, no content on the page is
readable, you cannot go into any browse or focus mode. You just here
unknown.
Now there may well be some kind of setting that can be altered, I do
not know, to achieve what he got, slow but functioning. I could not
find any option for this. Not only that but it seemed to lose almost
half of my bookmarks as well.

So unless they fix this on the release version anyone trying to use
Firefox 57 when it comes out with the latest version of nvda, and I am
up to date with the master branch here, will not be able to do so
unless they know how to make it work.
If these people are employees then they will probably need the
permission of an admin to reinstall a version like 55, and turn off
auto updates. I have reinstalled 52 in actual fact and got my
bookmarks back as well as functionality. To my mind the makers of
Firefox at the current state of play should be able to see if
screenreading software is on a machine in a similar way to Adobe
reader or Jarte does, and prevent it from updating to an unworkable
version.
I cannot understand why they have not done this.

Anyone care to comment?
Brian

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Re: Weather Plus 4.6 03.11.2017 update available

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That is what happens when you mis spell and let it put in what it thinks you meaean.
select the debug level of logging before you show the errors.
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From: "Akbar S. Currim" <raahzam@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2017 8:49 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Weather Plus 4.6 03.11.2017 update available


Hi,

What is taste debug?

Akbar


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I don't think that log is any help I think you need taste debug to debug not

just info first, then install a version of the add on then use it and take
those bits of the log out and send them to the author.
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Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2017 6:39 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Weather Plus 4.6 03.11.2017 update available


Hi,

I get exactly the same resultwith this version also. It only instals
version of 25-10-2017 and not the new one although I have downloaded
the new version from the links provided by you in your message and
installed the same. I give below the log message which may assist you
in figuring out why this is happening. Hope you can help.

Thanks,

Akbar

Log:
INFO - __main__ (12:01:50.063):
Starting NVDA
INFO - core.main (12:01:50.201):
Config dir: C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda
INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (12:01:50.201):
Loading config: C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini
INFO - core.main (12:01:50.334):
NVDA version 2017.3
INFO - core.main (12:01:50.334):
Using Windows version 10.0.15063 workstation
INFO - core.main (12:01:50.334):
Using Python version 2.7.13 (v2.7.13:a06454b1afa1, Dec 17 2016,
20:42:59) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]
INFO - core.main (12:01:50.334):
Using comtypes version 0.6.2
INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (12:01:50.615):
Loaded synthDriver eloquence
INFO - core.main (12:01:50.615):
Using wx version 3.0.2.0 msw (classic)
INFO - brailleInput.initialize (12:01:50.621):
Braille input initialized
INFO - braille.initialize (12:01:50.621):
Using liblouis version 3.2.0
INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (12:01:50.622):
Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.
WARNING - core.main (12:01:50.660):
Java Access Bridge not available
INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (12:01:50.664):
UIAutomation: IUIAutomation3
INFO - core.main (12:01:52.484):
NVDA initialized


On 11/3/17, Adriano Barbieri via Groups.Io
<adrianobarb=yahoo.it@groups.io> wrote:
Hi to every one,
Changes in this version:
* Improved the reading of current local time; search keys are more
accurate.

Weather Plus can update alone, however, it is possible to download
manually from the following links:
http://www.nvda.it/files/plugin/weather_plus4.6.nvda-addon
or from page:
http://www.nvda.it/weather-plus/
or from page:
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/weatherPlus.en.html

Cheers
Adriano





Re: Installing NVDA and disabling some sort of security setting

Mary Otten <motten53@...>
 

Hi John,
Yes, you are talking about the same thing I am. I happen to like desktop shortcuts, so I would really like to find out what it is so it can be turned off when NVDA and other things that could make shortcuts are installed. So if you happen to find the message or remember what it’s called, please detail. Thank you in advance.
Mary


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On Nov 4, 2017, at 12:00 AM, John Isige <gwynn@tds.net> wrote:

No, there's a new thing in the latest Windows 10. I think I still have
the message somewhere or other. It prevents the installer from making a
desktop shortcut and it might give an error or something, but apparently
NVDA runs just fine once it's done, other than not having the desktop
shortcut.


On 11/4/2017 1:47, Gene New Zealand wrote:

Hi


you are not talking about the UAC screen that comes up when you go to
install a copy of NVDA onto a machine? if this does come up use the
ALT key + letter Y to say yes to it or just tab to it. then NVDA will
finish installing.


Unless a anti virus program does it? then you would have to look in
that virus program and make it a exception


Gene nz

.


On 11/4/2017 11:40 AM, Mary Otten wrote:
Recently, I saw a message that talked about the need to disable some sort of security settings in windows 10 when you were installing NVDA. It was a folder I think that you couldn’t get access to and less you disable the setting, and NVDA needs to have that access when it installs. I’ve just spent some time looking through old messages trying to find this and I can’t. Can anybody help me out? I’m sorry to be so vague, but I just can’t find this message.
Mary


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Re: Avg anti-virus and nvda

Tony Ballou
 

Hi Mary,


Since the release of AVG 2017 unless things have changed over the last 6
months or so, it's totally inaccessible with screen reading software.
The last working version to my knowledge was 1016.


Tony

On 11/3/2017 5:40 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
Hi all,
I had a consultation with a local custom PC builder. We were talking about the various software that I would like to use, and I mentioned windows defender as the virus program. He said they generally recommend and install AVG. A long long time ago, I use that program, and missed a virus. And subsequently I heard it had become inaccessible. What is the status of this program with respect to Accessibility with NVDA? Have any of you have experience is good or bad with it?
Mary


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Re: Firefox 57 etc

Tony Ballou
 

Hi,


Another alternative to possibly ponder here, in recent months I've been
using sea monkey with NVDA and it works great.  For those who are not
aware, this is an online suite of programs from Mozilla, which combine
an HTML editor, web browser, and Email client. It is accessible with
NVDA has a myriad of keyboard shortcuts, and if you know Firefox and
Thunderbird, you've basically got the game won.  Just a thought.


Tony

On 11/3/2017 6:00 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
With regard to this version of  Firefox, and in addition to what
Joseph posted about it. Here is what me acting as the average unaware
updater found.
After installation only the menus work, no content on the page is
readable, you cannot go into any browse or focus mode. You just here
unknown.
Now there may well be some kind of setting that can be altered, I do
not know, to achieve what he got, slow but functioning. I could not
find any option for this. Not only that but it seemed to lose almost
half of my bookmarks as well.

So unless they fix this on the release version anyone trying to use
Firefox 57 when it comes out with the latest version of nvda, and I am
up to date with the master branch here, will not be able to do so
unless they know how to make it work.
If these people are employees then they will probably need the
permission of an admin to reinstall a version like 55, and turn off
auto updates. I have reinstalled 52 in actual fact and got my
bookmarks back as well as functionality. To my mind the makers of
Firefox at the current state of play should be able to see if
screenreading software is on a machine in a similar way to Adobe
reader or Jarte does, and prevent it from updating to an unworkable
version.
I cannot understand why they have not done this.

Anyone care to comment?
Brian

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Re: goldwave

Tony Ballou
 

Hi Arlene,


It certainly does!  Have had no problems with it and windows 10.


Tony


On 11/3/2017 2:13 PM, Arlene wrote:

Hi list. Does Goldwave work with windows ten? If it does. That would be great.



Re: Installing NVDA and disabling some sort of security setting

Chris
 

Are you talking about the "continue as administrator" dialog?
if so and you are using a standard account then you are going to encounter problems
but if you are using a admin account then you should'nt get this dialog
or if you do you get the continue as administrator dialog
well thats my interpretation of whats happening here


Re: Firefox 57 etc

Gene
 

Then it may be that downgrading to the ESR version incorrectly may cause problems, at least for some users.  You should avoid such problems by using the portable version which, as I said in earlier messages, I think is a better option anyway.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2017 3:46 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox 57 etc

That is what I thought, but then I did a check for updates inside it it
offered me version 56 which I declined.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "David Griffith" <daj.griffith@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, November 03, 2017 6:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox 57 etc


I thought the whole point of the ESR version was that   it would not update
to 57 until about June next year, when hopefully the accessibility issues
will have improved. According to the FS Blog on this they say that people
using ESR will however continue to get the latest security updates
installed into Firefox ESR but  will not be vulnerable to the main upgrade
to 57 until next year.
David Griffith
.

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From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: 03 November 2017 18:17
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox 57 etc

Yes I saw a message on the issues list from James, about some fixing for
version 58, so maybe it will get resolved from the currently unusable state.
Its new users of any screenreader I feel sorry for, especially where its a
shared machine and the sighted member just lets firefox update.
 There are a couple of other issues. It disabled both my add ons,
navigational sounds and Ublock Origin ad blocker and even when I put the
version 52 back on I had to re download both add ons and install them again.
Not only that but nvda after the update could not read the screen of the add
ons manager, I had to exit  firefox completely and go back in again to see
if they had installed correctly, I'm sure this was not the case prior to up
and down dating the version I had, which was 55. How also does one set 52 to
get security updates without letting it update to 57 as I see it wants to do
till I set updates to no, ie not recommended.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Mendoza" <lowvisiontek@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, November 03, 2017 10:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox 57 etc


> Hi, Brian
>
>
> I have the same issue on the other machine, and that is the reason why I
> keep to shift instead to use the Firefox ESR version 52 but for now I will
> stick to this version because there is likely more stable in performance
> and never has a problem. And, once the issue has fix maybe I could go for
> to use and test it again.
>
>
> Robert Mendoza
>
> On 11/3/2017 6:00 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
>> With regard to this version of Firefox, and in addition to what Joseph
>> posted about it. Here is what me acting as the average unaware updater
>> found.
>> After installation only the menus work, no content on the page is
>> readable, you cannot go into any browse or focus mode. You just here
>> unknown.
>> Now there may well be some kind of setting that can be altered, I do not
>> know, to achieve what he got, slow but functioning. I could not find any
>> option for this. Not only that but it seemed to lose almost half of my
>> bookmarks as well.
>>
>> So unless they fix this on the release version anyone trying to use
>> Firefox 57 when it comes out with the latest version of nvda, and I am up
>> to date with the master branch here, will not be able to do so unless
>> they know how to make it work.
>> If these people are employees then they will probably need the permission
>> of an admin to reinstall a version like 55, and turn off auto updates. I
>> have reinstalled 52 in actual fact and got my bookmarks back as well as
>> functionality. To my mind the makers of Firefox at the current state of
>> play should be able to see if screenreading software is on a machine in a
>> similar way to Adobe reader or Jarte does, and prevent it from updating
>> to an unworkable version.
>> I cannot understand why they have not done this.
>>
>> Anyone care to comment?
>> Brian
>>
>> bglists@...
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>> in the display name field.
>>
>>
>
>
>
>









Re: Installing NVDA and disabling some sort of security setting

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Yes but don't you have to actually turn this folder function on. I think its designed to keep control of the desktop Many people with sight often clutter the desktop with all sorts of junk and an admin can now make that particular folder or any other, banned to be changed by anyone else. Its actually a good idea I suppose but then I like having a cluttered desktop!

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "John Isige" <gwynn@tds.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2017 7:00 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Installing NVDA and disabling some sort of security setting


No, there's a new thing in the latest Windows 10. I think I still have
the message somewhere or other. It prevents the installer from making a
desktop shortcut and it might give an error or something, but apparently
NVDA runs just fine once it's done, other than not having the desktop
shortcut.


On 11/4/2017 1:47, Gene New Zealand wrote:

Hi


you are not talking about the UAC screen that comes up when you go to
install a copy of NVDA onto a machine? if this does come up use the
ALT key + letter Y to say yes to it or just tab to it. then NVDA will
finish installing.


Unless a anti virus program does it? then you would have to look in
that virus program and make it a exception


Gene nz

.


On 11/4/2017 11:40 AM, Mary Otten wrote:
Recently, I saw a message that talked about the need to disable some sort of security settings in windows 10 when you were installing NVDA. It was a folder I think that you couldn’t get access to and less you disable the setting, and NVDA needs to have that access when it installs. I’ve just spent some time looking through old messages trying to find this and I can’t. Can anybody help me out? I’m sorry to be so vague, but I just can’t find this message.
Mary


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use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To
find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries
(Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert
near you, please visit the following link
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who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: Bluetooth speakers on a PC with NVDA?

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

I think its like everything else, if the hardware is capable then yes, but you have no idea how fast it is at either end of the link. If you just want to listen to music, then fine.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Chao" <kevinchao89@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2017 2:18 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Bluetooth speakers on a PC with NVDA?


I was under the false-impression that Bluetooth 5 would reduce latency, but
more detailed research prooved very little audio improvements in this new
version of Bluetooth.

On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 7:07 PM David Griffith <daj.griffith@gmail.com>
wrote:



I don’t use Bluetooth speakers because of possible latency. Having said
that I understand from a Podcast from Jonathan Mosen that the new Bluetooth
5 standard, if I remember correctly, might improve the situation.

So checking the Bluetooth standard of the speakers and your machine might
reveal if this is the Bluetooth standard. If not I would personally avoid
them and stick to a wired solution.

Some speakers pair with each other wirelessly but accept a wired input
from a sound source into one of the speakers which may be a solution. I
have some speakers which can do this but have never used them on a PC.



David Griffith

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*From: *Mary Otten <motten53@gmail.com>
*Sent: *04 November 2017 00:02


*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject: *[nvda] Bluetooth speakers on a PC with NVDA?



Hi all,

I am considering a set up with clips ProMedia to Bluetooth speakers for my
new PC. I have had less than stellar experiences with phones and Bluetooth
speakers or headsets. There is latency, and with my Apple TV and sound bar,
it was unusable, because the voice consistently miss the first few
syllables due to the delay in the speaker kicking in. This would be totally
unusable on a PC of course with the screen reader and software speech. My
old PC has a hardware card for speech, and the Mac has USB speakers. So I
have no experience with a PC or Mac for that matter, with Bluetooth
speakers and software speech. I really like these speakers, but not if
they’re going to present issues with the software speech for the screen
meter. Comments?

Mary





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Re: Installing NVDA and disabling some sort of security setting

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

There is a ticket for it being worked on in Github, as I saw it while looking for something else.
brian

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From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
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Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2017 12:42 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Installing NVDA and disabling some sort of security setting


I suspect it is off by default. If not, we should have seen lots of people reporting problems since Windows 10 started to be distributed.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Tyler Spivey
Sent: Friday, November 03, 2017 7:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Installing NVDA and disabling some sort of security setting


Controlled Folder Access. I think it's off by default.
On 11/3/2017 3:40 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
Recently, I saw a message that talked about the need to disable some sort of security settings in windows 10 when you were installing NVDA. It was a folder I think that you couldn’t get access to and less you disable the setting, and NVDA needs to have that access when it installs. I’ve just spent some time looking through old messages trying to find this and I can’t. Can anybody help me out? I’m sorry to be so vague, but I just can’t find this message.
Mary


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Re: Installing NVDA and disabling some sort of security setting

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You only encounter this normally in a company machine with a paranoid IT manager! grin.
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----- Original Message -----
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2017 12:32 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Installing NVDA and disabling some sort of security setting


Controlled Folder Access. I think it's off by default.
On 11/3/2017 3:40 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
Recently, I saw a message that talked about the need to disable some sort of security settings in windows 10 when you were installing NVDA. It was a folder I think that you couldn’t get access to and less you disable the setting, and NVDA needs to have that access when it installs. I’ve just spent some time looking through old messages trying to find this and I can’t. Can anybody help me out? I’m sorry to be so vague, but I just can’t find this message.
Mary


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