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Re: Problem with my screen

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

Yeah, the active window is supposed to be the top one, but for some reason, that doesn't always happen, and so sighted folks can't tell what window you're actively working in.  I have no idea why this happens, but it's not just with NVDA, this behavior was equally prevalent over 10 years ago when I used jaws as well, so don't feel bad, it's neither new, nor is it an artifact of your screen reader.

On 11/8/2017 4:10 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Tis should not happen though as the active window should always be the top one surely?
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Siegel" <tsiegel@softcon.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2017 1:01 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem with my screen


It's possible too that your active window was hidden behind another
window. Since you had word open with a blank document, it's likely they
were seeing that window, and the notepad window you had open working was
hidden behind one or more other windows. This happens to me all the time
when I ask for sighted help, the first thing the sighted help needs to
do is move all the windows around until they find the window I'm working
in. It's likely you experienced something similar.


On 11/7/2017 7:43 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
It could be you have some windows (like WordPad maybe?) set quite
small. NVDA can still work with it, but visually your sighted
colleague might only be able to see the ribbon etc. If you press
WINDOWS+UP ARROW it should maximise the current window to take up the
full screen.

If you often work with a sighted colleague and would like them to be
able to better tell where NVDA is working with the focus, you could
install the "Focus highlight" add-on which draws a coloured box around
the object which currently has focus. It doesn't change how NVDA
works but can make it easier for sighted users sitting next to you.

You can install that by pressing NVDA+n to open the NVDA menu, then T
for tools then go down to "Add-on manager" and get add-ons.

Kind regards

Quentin.

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    If you get a sighted person to disable nvda or turn it off does
    the screen then work. I guess what I'm saying is, is this a driver
    issue or an nvda issue. I have noted that for example the place
    you are reading in a web page is often not on screen as nvda is
    working from its own buffer, but not whole programs being hidden.
    Brian

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    Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem with my screen


    I use Windows 7, 32 bit with NVDA 2017.1

    The situation always happens when I open many things at the same
    time and go to each of them using Alt + Tab. When I back to
    WordPad, nothing appear on my screen, but everything works well
    with screen reader.







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Re: Question about typing.

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

There are a lot to choose from; eSpeak and Microsoft voices are just the only ones usually installed by default. Go to the NVDA downloads page and I think there’s a whole page there of different commercial and non-commercial software synths you can try out.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Luke Kio
Sent: November 8, 2017 5:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question about typing.

 

I use Microsoft speech api version 5 There are only a few to choose from and that one is the only one I can stand.

 

On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 4:31 PM, JM Casey <crystallogic@...> wrote:

I’m not sure, but I have a feeling part of this might be synthesizer-dependent. What synthesizer are you using, and have you tried experimenting with different ones to see if any have a faster response time? I use the Microsoft Core voice with NVDA now and I do find it rather slow for this, but tend not to use key echo so it doesn’t really bother me. I choose this synth because I feel like I’ll never really get used to eSpeak, and I know I’m not alone. I know the Festival synth is also rather slow since I tried that on another machine.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Luke Kio
Sent: November 8, 2017 4:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Question about typing.

 

I was a Window Eyes user and am now moving to NVDA. My question is about the speed that NVDA reads the letters back to me as I type. With W.E. it read them as fast as I could type, but with NVDA it reads them back very slowly. Is there a way to speed this up, or make  NVDA read them as soon as I press the button?

Thanks for any help.


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Re: NVDA and office 2016

Quentin Christensen
 

No problem, glad I could be helpful!

Quentin.

On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 10:08 AM, Mary Otten <motten53@...> wrote:
Thanks, Quentin. I guess I was too hasty on the envy access training area site. I saw the tutorial on getting started. But I missed other things. I will definitely go back and check that out.
Mary


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On Nov 8, 2017, at 2:58 PM, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:

Hi Mary,

Office 2016 is in many ways similar to Office 2013.  NVDA works very well with both, and in a couple of cases, Microsoft have fixed bugs in 2016 so there are some things that work better.  I wrote the official NV Access training material for Microsoft Word and Excel using Office 2016.  The material itself works for Office 2010 to 2016 (I found in more cases I was noting a difference in the behaviour of Office 2010 compared to the other two, rather than a new difference in Office 2016).

If you are interested, our material is available from: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 9:42 AM, Mary Otten <motten53@...> wrote:
Hi all,
I was just looking on Jean‘s website, Accessibility central.net, and there was a tutorial there for using Microsoft Word with NVDA. It mentioned office 2013. I have a friend who uses a different screen reader, and he also uses 2013. Is 2016 accessible? I hope so, because that seems to be the currently available version.
Mary


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Re: NVDA and office 2016

Mary Otten <motten53@...>
 

Thanks, Quentin. I guess I was too hasty on the envy access training area site. I saw the tutorial on getting started. But I missed other things. I will definitely go back and check that out.
Mary


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On Nov 8, 2017, at 2:58 PM, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:

Hi Mary,

Office 2016 is in many ways similar to Office 2013.  NVDA works very well with both, and in a couple of cases, Microsoft have fixed bugs in 2016 so there are some things that work better.  I wrote the official NV Access training material for Microsoft Word and Excel using Office 2016.  The material itself works for Office 2010 to 2016 (I found in more cases I was noting a difference in the behaviour of Office 2010 compared to the other two, rather than a new difference in Office 2016).

If you are interested, our material is available from: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 9:42 AM, Mary Otten <motten53@...> wrote:
Hi all,
I was just looking on Jean‘s website, Accessibility central.net, and there was a tutorial there for using Microsoft Word with NVDA. It mentioned office 2013. I have a friend who uses a different screen reader, and he also uses 2013. Is 2016 accessible? I hope so, because that seems to be the currently available version.
Mary


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Re: NVDA and office 2016

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Mary,

Office 2016 is in many ways similar to Office 2013.  NVDA works very well with both, and in a couple of cases, Microsoft have fixed bugs in 2016 so there are some things that work better.  I wrote the official NV Access training material for Microsoft Word and Excel using Office 2016.  The material itself works for Office 2010 to 2016 (I found in more cases I was noting a difference in the behaviour of Office 2010 compared to the other two, rather than a new difference in Office 2016).

If you are interested, our material is available from: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 9:42 AM, Mary Otten <motten53@...> wrote:
Hi all,
I was just looking on Jean‘s website, Accessibility central.net, and there was a tutorial there for using Microsoft Word with NVDA. It mentioned office 2013. I have a friend who uses a different screen reader, and he also uses 2013. Is 2016 accessible? I hope so, because that seems to be the currently available version.
Mary


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Re: Problem with my screen

Quentin Christensen
 

Re focus highlight, I know it often doesn't show as specific an item as would be ideal - for instance highlighting the whole editable section in Word, rather than the paragraph or word, but it is better than nothing and many users have reported it as being very useful when working with sighted people.

Re the possibility of the active window getting hidden behind another window, it can happen, and invariably it's annoying when it does.  Often things like anti-virus programs for instance, will pop up a notification to warn you about a risky file.  They may or may not steal focus when they do, and particularly if they don't, it can mean what you are currently working on isn't actually visible.  Other programs do it too.



On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 8:10 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists@...> wrote:
Tis should not happen though as the active window should always be the top one surely?
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Siegel" <tsiegel@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2017 1:01 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem with my screen


It's possible too that your active window was hidden behind another
window. Since you had word open with a blank document, it's likely they
were seeing that window, and the notepad window you had open working was
hidden behind one or more other windows. This happens to me all the time
when I ask for sighted help, the first thing the sighted help needs to
do is move all the windows around until they find the window I'm working
in. It's likely you experienced something similar.


On 11/7/2017 7:43 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
It could be you have some windows (like WordPad maybe?) set quite
small. NVDA can still work with it, but visually your sighted
colleague might only be able to see the ribbon etc. If you press
WINDOWS+UP ARROW it should maximise the current window to take up the
full screen.

If you often work with a sighted colleague and would like them to be
able to better tell where NVDA is working with the focus, you could
install the "Focus highlight" add-on which draws a coloured box around
the object which currently has focus. It doesn't change how NVDA
works but can make it easier for sighted users sitting next to you.

You can install that by pressing NVDA+n to open the NVDA menu, then T
for tools then go down to "Add-on manager" and get add-ons.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 4:51 AM, Brian's Mail list account via
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<mailto:bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io>> wrote:

    If you get a sighted person to disable nvda or turn it off does
    the screen then work. I guess what I'm saying is, is this a driver
    issue or an nvda issue. I have noted that for example the place
    you are reading in a web page is often not on screen as nvda is
    working from its own buffer, but not whole programs being hidden.
    Brian

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    To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
    Sent: Monday, November 06, 2017 10:13 AM
    Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem with my screen


    I use Windows 7, 32 bit with NVDA 2017.1

    The situation always happens when I open many things at the same
    time and go to each of them using Alt + Tab. When I back to
    WordPad, nothing appear on my screen, but everything works well
    with screen reader.







--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available:
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Twitter: @NVAccess












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Re: NVDA crashing

adriani.botez@...
 

Here is what I get from debug. I guess that those oleacc.AccessibleObjects appear because I have pressed some keys on my keyboard while NVDA was frozen. But I might be wrong. So does anyone have a solution in mind? In addition, how can I make java access bridge available? And what is the user gesture map?


DEBUG - core.main (23:14:26.414):

initializing Java Access Bridge support

WARNING - core.main (23:14:26.414):

Java Access Bridge not available

 

Initializing input core

DEBUGWARNING - inputCore.InputManager.loadUserGestureMap (23:14:26.848):

No user gesture map

 

DEBUGWARNING - watchdog._watcher (23:14:37.453):

Trying to recover from freeze, core stack:

  File "nvda.pyw", line 199, in <module>

  File "core.pyo", line 396, in main

  File "wx\_core.pyo", line 8657, in MainLoop

  File "wx\_core.pyo", line 7952, in MainLoop

  File "core.pyo", line 366, in Notify

  File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 889, in pumpAll

  File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 756, in processForegroundWinEvent

  File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 523, in winEventToNVDAEvent

  File "_UIAHandler.pyo", line 314, in isUIAWindow

  File "_UIAHandler.pyo", line 308, in _isUIAWindowHelper

 

WARNING - watchdog._watcher (23:14:52.469):

Core frozen in stack:

  File "nvda.pyw", line 199, in <module>

  File "core.pyo", line 396, in main

  File "wx\_core.pyo", line 8657, in MainLoop

  File "wx\_core.pyo", line 7952, in MainLoop

  File "core.pyo", line 366, in Notify

  File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 889, in pumpAll

  File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 756, in processForegroundWinEvent

  File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 523, in winEventToNVDAEvent

  File "_UIAHandler.pyo", line 314, in isUIAWindow

  File "_UIAHandler.pyo", line 308, in _isUIAWindowHelper

 

WARNING - watchdog._watcher (23:15:07.484):

Core frozen in stack:

  File "nvda.pyw", line 199, in <module>

  File "core.pyo", line 396, in main

  File "wx\_core.pyo", line 8657, in MainLoop

  File "wx\_core.pyo", line 7952, in MainLoop

  File "core.pyo", line 366, in Notify

  File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 889, in pumpAll

  File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 756, in processForegroundWinEvent

  File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 523, in winEventToNVDAEvent

  File "_UIAHandler.pyo", line 314, in isUIAWindow

  File "_UIAHandler.pyo", line 308, in _isUIAWindowHelper

 

WARNING - watchdog._watcher (23:15:22.500):

Core frozen in stack:

  File "nvda.pyw", line 199, in <module>

  File "core.pyo", line 396, in main

  File "wx\_core.pyo", line 8657, in MainLoop

  File "wx\_core.pyo", line 7952, in MainLoop

  File "core.pyo", line 366, in Notify

  File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 889, in pumpAll

  File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 756, in processForegroundWinEvent

  File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 523, in winEventToNVDAEvent

  File "_UIAHandler.pyo", line 314, in isUIAWindow

  File "_UIAHandler.pyo", line 308, in _isUIAWindowHelper

 

DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (23:15:37.316):

oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 66140, objectID 2124 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Unbekannter Fehler

DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (23:15:37.318):

oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 66140, objectID 2125 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Unbekannter Fehler

DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (23:15:37.319):

oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 66140, objectID 2126 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Unbekannter Fehler

DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (23:15:37.319):

oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 66130, objectID 109 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Unbekannter Fehler

DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (23:15:37.319):

oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 66140, objectID 2134 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Unbekannter Fehler

DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (23:15:37.321):

oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 66140, objectID 2135 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Unbekannter Fehler

DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (23:15:37.321):

oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 66140, objectID 2136 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Unbekannter Fehler

 


Thank you for your suggestions.

Best
Adriani


NVDA and office 2016

Mary Otten <motten53@...>
 

Hi all,
I was just looking on Jean‘s website, Accessibility central.net, and there was a tutorial there for using Microsoft Word with NVDA. It mentioned office 2013. I have a friend who uses a different screen reader, and he also uses 2013. Is 2016 accessible? I hope so, because that seems to be the currently available version.
Mary


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Re: Question about typing.

Luke Kio <jameslukekio@...>
 

I use Microsoft speech api version 5 There are only a few to choose from and that one is the only one I can stand.

On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 4:31 PM, JM Casey <crystallogic@...> wrote:

I’m not sure, but I have a feeling part of this might be synthesizer-dependent. What synthesizer are you using, and have you tried experimenting with different ones to see if any have a faster response time? I use the Microsoft Core voice with NVDA now and I do find it rather slow for this, but tend not to use key echo so it doesn’t really bother me. I choose this synth because I feel like I’ll never really get used to eSpeak, and I know I’m not alone. I know the Festival synth is also rather slow since I tried that on another machine.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Luke Kio
Sent: November 8, 2017 4:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Question about typing.

 

I was a Window Eyes user and am now moving to NVDA. My question is about the speed that NVDA reads the letters back to me as I type. With W.E. it read them as fast as I could type, but with NVDA it reads them back very slowly. Is there a way to speed this up, or make  NVDA read them as soon as I press the button?

Thanks for any help.


--

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Bad Dog Audio Production
850-294-3998




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Re: Question about typing.

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

I’m not sure, but I have a feeling part of this might be synthesizer-dependent. What synthesizer are you using, and have you tried experimenting with different ones to see if any have a faster response time? I use the Microsoft Core voice with NVDA now and I do find it rather slow for this, but tend not to use key echo so it doesn’t really bother me. I choose this synth because I feel like I’ll never really get used to eSpeak, and I know I’m not alone. I know the Festival synth is also rather slow since I tried that on another machine.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Luke Kio
Sent: November 8, 2017 4:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Question about typing.

 

I was a Window Eyes user and am now moving to NVDA. My question is about the speed that NVDA reads the letters back to me as I type. With W.E. it read them as fast as I could type, but with NVDA it reads them back very slowly. Is there a way to speed this up, or make  NVDA read them as soon as I press the button?

Thanks for any help.


--

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Bad Dog Audio Production
850-294-3998


Question about typing.

Luke Kio <jameslukekio@...>
 

I was a Window Eyes user and am now moving to NVDA. My question is about the speed that NVDA reads the letters back to me as I type. With W.E. it read them as fast as I could type, but with NVDA it reads them back very slowly. Is there a way to speed this up, or make  NVDA read them as soon as I press the button?
Thanks for any help.

--
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Bad Dog Audio Production
850-294-3998


ALT Text character limit

Brunella Chiarugi
 

Hi!

Is there a pre-set maximum limit of characters the screen reader can read in an ALT Text?
In other words, what's the maximum length of an ALT Text that NVDA supports?

Thanks!


Re: Firefox 57 from an NVDA user's perspective - Marco's Accessibility Blog

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

So why do not firefox put in some sounds themwselves. It seems to me to be bonkers to have no indication that some things have happened, ie end of page load end of download, link or button pressed etc. Its something I like but since I do not get on with Microsoft browsers otherwise, mainly due to the apparent strange logic of the downloading rules etc that its not in there.
Does Chrome have sounds? it did not seem to last time I tested it.
Brian

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Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2017 7:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox 57 from an NVDA user's perspective - Marco's Accessibility Blog


Well the legacy addons are changing to web extentions like chrome is now but the interface is more powerfull.

For me better privacy is gone and also classic themes are gone.

These are no biggies.

Navigational sounds is gone and I really liked that.

The big thing noscript is a hybred in transition to upgrade, ublock is not listed as legacy, neither is privacy badger and https anywhere which are the other 2 I use.

Sadly the navigational sounds stuff is not duplicated in any other addon.

So I suggest before you say its a show stopper you search for items that are going to work.

As another example this is no different from apple switching from 32 to 64 bit apps.

We had time to upgrade our apps and or find what didn't work.

When I switched to 64 bit I found about 5 apps didn't work, my nokia software, graille to the thief, 2 versions of soundrts, and silent steel.

None of these were exactly show stoppers, the nokia one well if I need to run that one, I think I can buypass it or run that in a 32 bit vm or another 32 bit system its not like I need to bother to much the only things I would need a sightling to do is to get the files for talks onto another folder to run if I ever got a new device and to be honest its more than likely with the way things are going with skype, and communications in general as well as what I do with sonnar that I am going to be pushed to a touch device of some description, probably apple for its access and the fact I don't need to modify my device though who knows.



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So how come whe I downloaded it and installed it it just said unknown. the checkboxes had not been touched at all?
I think this is the main problem. some get it to work while others say only its menus do not also of course the show stopper for me is add ons as well.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Felix G." <constantlyvariable@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2017 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox 57 from an NVDA user's perspective - Marco's Accessibility Blog


Hi!
I just upgraded to beta 14 of Firefox 57 to get a first-hand impression of
the slowness, or performance issue, that seems to be plaguing early
adopters. While I agree that it seems to be slower where page loading and
general responsiveness are concerned, I also find that stability and
reliability are great, including complex web pages. It takes some getting
used to but isn't altogether an unpleasant experience as it is quite
deterministic.
Greetings,
Felix

Michel Such <michel.such@free.fr> schrieb am Di., 7. Nov. 2017 um 16:43 Uhr:

Very interesting article:

https://www.marcozehe.de/2017/11/07/firefox-57-nvda-users-perspective/


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Re: Question about using quick books with NVDA

 

Thanks man. I enjoy that I could help the author of this topic.


Re: NVDA and Win10 App Essentials.

 

To be honest I had the simular issue as you semi describe on a home server box that handles odds and ends non critical things.

My uncle just couldn't get sound and I found after something went that the sound drivers got mangled.

I reinstalled them and sound worked except windows wouldn't play any sound files, or even user sounds for events though sound did work.

I found out the system had got some malware and once removed the program happily took out some critical system files.

I had to delete the user accounts and put them back in and transfer all the data over.

and in 99.9% of the cases rerunning your apps again most of them just made another profile and it was sweet.

Cloud software like dropbox had to be reinstalled though as they didn't work.

It still took me 3 hours to do it all.

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I guess it might be sortable by a driver update or something, but we have many machines running different flavours of windows and its often hard to know where the fault itself lies. I mean one might be forgiven for thinking that as long as the usb device was connected nothing would alter but that is often not the case for some weird reason. I lost a recording of a meeting like this as it basically disconnected the mixer.
Brian

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Thanks Brian.  I guess, just have to put up with it!
Blessings
Pascal

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I've had this happen on a usb sound card going back to internal and this I think is a windows problem not an nvda one, as even the input moves as well as the output.
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Hi Quentin,

First I would like to thank you for the kind and gentle manner you answer
questions on this list.  Second, (issue previously reported) each time I
update the Win10 App Essentials, my synthesizer defaults to the MSFT Sound
Mapper and I am left without speech.  It is annoying but fixable. However,
I am helping a newly blind person and It is happening on her computer and
the experience is more frustrating.  It usually happens after a reboot.  I
would appreciate someone looks into the issue.

Very much appreciated

Blessings

Pascal



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin
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Sent: Tuesday, November 7, 2017 7:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] update on sapi 5 problem



Anna should be able to be used by other programs, but if your talk clip
program is loading anna and preventing it from being used by NVDA as well.
If Narrator is able to use Anna where NVDA isn't, maybe it's found a way of
accessing it that we aren't using.



On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 11:34 AM, Tony James <megatronjames@gmail.com
<mailto:megatronjames@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi, I typically use the sapi4 mike voice.  I was actually asking because
another program uses the sapi5 anna voice to generate talk clips for my clip
zip, oh me recently and hasn’t been able to access the anna voice even
though narrator uses her fine.  Is it possible that some setting is blocking
this voice from being used by any other programs?



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Hi Tony,



Do you have sluggishness using NVDA with the default eSpeak NG voice?  NVDA
should be able to use most SAPI 5 voices.  Microsoft Anna is a voice that
Microsoft included with Windows 7 and should definitely work.  If you have
commercial software installed which comes with other SAPI 5 voices, it's
possible NVDA may see those but the voice might give an error when you try
to use it.  I've encountered this with programs such as Zoomtext and Talking
Typer.  The issue with those is they install the voices as standard SAPI 5
voices, but then restrict them so that they won't work if being used by a
program other than the one they came with.



Otherwise, do you have any other programs running which may want to use the
SAPI 5 synthesizer?  NVDA can run into problems if another program is trying
to use the same synthesizer at the same time (if they are both running, even
if both are not trying to speak at once).  The workaround is to set one
program to use a different synthesizer.



Kind regards



Quentin.



On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 5:57 AM, Tony James <megatronjames@gmail.com
<mailto:megatronjames@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi, a while ago I posted about not being able to use SPAI5 with nvda.  last
week I had to launch narrator because nvda was being sluggish and narrator
started without a single problem.  I ran it again a few minutes ago without
a single hitch.  narrator is set to use anna, but i can't seem to use this
voice with any other programs.  does anyone no whats going on?











Re: Does anymone have experience with editing google docs on the web with NVDA?

Michal Rada
 

Hi, do you using Google Docs with NVDA and Chrome?

Sadly, i have problem. If I run Docs in Chrome browser, content of document isnt spoken, but it speaks "about:blank" everytime i press any key.

I tried switch off and switch on screenreader support, but it does not works.

Michal


Dne 8.11.2017 v 10:09 Sylvie Duchateau napsal(a):

Hi Michal and all,

Thank you for all your tips.

I don't want to use google docs with Jaws as I use Jaws as a demo and only when I have to, as NVDA is my favourite screen reader.

I did not know the shortcuts you mentionned, they are not listed in google's short cuts I looked at. I will try them.

For your information, google docs works fine when you activate screen reader support with ctrl+alt+Z and braille support.

I also tried it with chrome and it works good with NVDA.

Thanks again, I will try all this.

Best

Sylvie

Le 07/11/2017 à 17:51, Michal Rada a écrit :
And, sure, there are answers to your questions:


1) - try combinations ALT+SHIFT+A, then H, then N - it works. It calls command separratelly by menu levels (Accessibility menu, then Headings, then Next).


2) Try ALT+ENTER - it works for me. But as I say before, try to use headings list by ALT+SHIFT+T, then O. This displays tree with navigation, you can move by arrows up and down and ENTER to jump to heading in document.


Helps?



Dne 7.11.2017 v 17:34 Michal Rada napsal(a):
Hi,

Yes, i working with google office in my office :-D

Documents, Slides and Sheets are fully accessible with Jaws, you must enable accessibility support by keystroke ALT+CTRL+Z, but, it works only in Mozilla Firefox. Other browsers does not work properly.

There are some tips for using documents.

* Moving classical by arrow keys, but CTRL+arrows works too.

* There are many keyboard shortcuts for navigation and using these apps, look here https://support.google.com/docs/answer/179738?co=GENIE.Platform%3DDesktop&hl=en

* There are basic tips and guides - look here https://support.google.com/docs/answer/1632201?hl=en

* Verry usefull tip is moving by headings - it works with keystrokes ALT+SHIFT+T and O

* Menus are accessible with ALT+SHIFT+letter - for example ALT+SHIFT+F for File menu, etc.

* And, if yoy focussed menu, try TAB and SHIFT+TAB to move to other important controls, tool bars, quick document bar, etc.


Try it, with Firefox its great.

Michal



Dne 7.11.2017 v 12:08 Sylvie Duchateau napsal(a):
Hello all,
I am actually working with somebody on a good structured google doc.
The short cuts list says that you can reach the next heading by pressing ctrl+alt, then n then h.
This is conflicting with the shortcut for starting NVDA.
Going on browse mode and hitting h just goes to the next heading but not to the following.
Do you have any hints on this?
Second, if a document contains a table of content, is there a way to jump to one specific section? Activating a link to this section does not work for me.
thank you for your help.
Best
Sylvie








Re: Firefox 57 from an NVDA user's perspective - Marco's Accessibility Blog

 

Well the legacy addons are changing to web extentions like chrome is now but the interface is more powerfull.

For me better privacy is gone and also classic themes are gone.

These are no biggies.

Navigational sounds is gone and I really liked that.

The big thing noscript is a hybred in transition to upgrade, ublock is not listed as legacy, neither is privacy badger and https anywhere which are the other 2 I use.

Sadly the navigational sounds stuff is not duplicated in any other addon.

So I suggest before you say its a show stopper you search for items that are going to work.

As another example this is no different from apple switching from 32 to 64 bit apps.

We had time to upgrade our apps and or find what didn't work.

When I switched to 64 bit I found about 5 apps didn't work, my nokia software, graille to the thief, 2 versions of soundrts, and silent steel.

None of these were exactly show stoppers, the nokia one well if I need to run that one, I think I can buypass it or run that in a 32 bit vm or another 32 bit system its not like I need to bother to much the only things I would need a sightling to do is to get the files for talks onto another folder to run if I ever got a new device and to be honest its more than likely with the way things are going with skype, and communications in general as well as what I do with sonnar that I am going to be pushed to a touch device of some description, probably apple for its access and the fact I don't need to modify my device though who knows.

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So how come whe I downloaded it and installed it it just said unknown. the checkboxes had not been touched at all?
I think this is the main problem. some get it to work while others say only its menus do not also of course the show stopper for me is add ons as well.
Brian

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox 57 from an NVDA user's perspective - Marco's Accessibility Blog


Hi!
I just upgraded to beta 14 of Firefox 57 to get a first-hand impression of
the slowness, or performance issue, that seems to be plaguing early
adopters. While I agree that it seems to be slower where page loading and
general responsiveness are concerned, I also find that stability and
reliability are great, including complex web pages. It takes some getting
used to but isn't altogether an unpleasant experience as it is quite
deterministic.
Greetings,
Felix

Michel Such <michel.such@free.fr> schrieb am Di., 7. Nov. 2017 um 16:43 Uhr:

Very interesting article:

https://www.marcozehe.de/2017/11/07/firefox-57-nvda-users-perspective/


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Michel Such






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Re: Question about using quick books with NVDA

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 


You are awesome!
 
Thanks.
---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
 

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Hello Chris!
Though I've never used QuickBooks, I can help you a bit. There is an NVDA add-on called QuickBooks 2014 Support. It makes QuickBooks more accessible with NVDA. Find out more here. https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/quickBooks2014.en.html
Cheers,
Florian


Re: Question about using quick books with NVDA

 

Hello Chris!
Though I've never used QuickBooks, I can help you a bit. There is an NVDA add-on called QuickBooks 2014 Support. It makes QuickBooks more accessible with NVDA. Find out more here. https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/quickBooks2014.en.html
Cheers,
Florian


Re: Question about using quick books with NVDA

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 

N2 It, or however it's spelled, the people who made Quickin, which by the way, was an accessibility nightmare, are the same people who make Quickbooks.
 
I have actually seen an audio demo, though I don't remember where, floating around of Quickbooks 2016, and though it was being used with JAWS, not NVDA, no scripts were needed, or anything.
 
From what I hear, Quickbooks at least back about 2 versions ago was ridiculously accessible! In fact, I don't remember there being much that wasn't! accessible within the software.
 
So, I would say, the likelyhood of this working is extremely extremely high.
 
Just for you all's information, there is! another good opoensource accounting software, which is available on the Mac, Windows, and even Linux. I think it's the most accessible from what I hear on Linux, but, you might wanna still try it on Windows. I've never done so, but there's a possibility it might work.
 
 
The software is called GNUCash.
 
That's G N U, then the word cash, like C, A, S, H, all ran together as one word. No hyphen, or anything.
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I don't know but our charity is now using this software  and the chair is
visually impaired.
 So if anyone can tell us a good route to go, then please do so. I'm sure I
saw talk on this on the add ons site some months back but it was not an
issue then.
 Brian

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Subject: [nvda] Question about using quick books with NVDA


> Good morning everyone.
>
>
>
> I have a client who has just lost most of her vision. She worked as an
> accountant and used a program called quick books. In my experience we have
> had terrible success with screen readers and accounting software in the
> past. Does anyone know if this has changed. Can NVDA be made to work with
> quick books? If not, is there any accounting software that will work with
> NVdA, or any other screen reader? Thanks for any help you can give.
>
>