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Re: chromebook

 

For me, I'm not a fan of Celeron processors in anything or anywhere.





On 11/23/2017 5:24 AM, Sally Kiebdaj wrote:

Hello guys,


I have had a chromebook for several years now and regularly use chromevox with chrome browser on other platforms.


Mostly, I use it for google web applications but it connects to USB storage and so I will also hook it to my portable hard drive for working offline. Many of the native google apps do work offline on the chromebook and then sync once you have an internet connection again. There are also some apps specifically designed for offline use and most chromebooks have SD card slots of varying capacity for expanding storage. 


For an idea of what is available, look at the chrome web store: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/category/apps


As others have stated, it does not run NVDA or any other windows applications. That said, chromevox, the native screen reader, has improved greatly over the years I have had the device and in its latest iteration is quite convenient and in terms of web browsing key layout fairly similar to NVDA. 

I am not sure that it has audio editing software but it definitely does have a basic audio player built in for offline use.

I would never have it as my primary computer but do enjoy using it for travel, reading recipes in the kitchen, or really any other time that I don't want to risk my more expensive windows or Mac machines.

do be careful to get one of the chromebooks with a fast processor or the screen reader can lag too much for my patience. I regularly use two other chromebooks owned by family and the initial load time for the screen reader or responsiveness on complex websites is a bit too laggy on those machines. Mine was one of the original ones offered to the public and has held up brilliantly through OS updates. It is still faster than the two other machines I mentioned which are much newer but lower end in terms of hardware.
Hope this information helps a bit and feel free to write me off-list with any more specific questions.

Cheers,
Sally
fiddle.pup@...
On 11/23/2017 3:41 AM, David Moore wrote:

Thanks Brian!

That is what I am seeing as well. I can use a lot of programs and do a lot with my HP Stream laptop with just a 32 Gig SSD drive that costs only $180.00

I have Win10 1709 on it, and I am only using 16 GB, and that is even with JAWS and NVDA, VLC Media player, and many other programs. I use the portable version of Firefox, and that works great along with using Edge and IE 11 a little.

Have a great one!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

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Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 2:40 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] chromebook

 

Not really, its pretty limited as far as I can see as most storage is

through the cloud.

Chromevox is also a little clunky. Not sure considering the costs if one of

these has much of a place in the market these days considering what yu can

do on a cheap amazon Tablet or a  low end windows laptop.

Brian

 

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----- Original Message -----

From: "David Moore" <jesusloves1966@...>

To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 2:03 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] chromebook

 

 

I am curious,

I have read a lot about Chrome Books, and I still can’t figure out what

music player you can install on the machine, for example. Is all you can use

are apps on the Internet like the Chrome apps like Google Docs, Google

sheets, Google Play, and so on.

Is it a computer that only works with Internet apps?

It sounds like you can have android apps on it, is that true?

I am just trying to get my hands around what you can actually have installed

on the computer itself that you can work with off line! Is there a version

of a music editor, for example you could install on the computer that works

with the Chrome OS?

Thanks a lot.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Dido Manolov

Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 4:58 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] chromebook

 

Hi,

Chromebook is a laptop. It is running GoogleOS, not Windows. It runs

basically everything through the internet and the cloud services. You cannot

run any programs for Windows or Apple.

Regards:

Dilian

 

Sent from my iPhone

 

> On 22 Nov 2017, at 21:30, David <trailerdavid@...> wrote:

> Listers,

> I am really not sure, to what extent this might be totally off-topic. If

> so, forebare with me, and contact me off-list.

> I am contemplating getting a new device, which would replace my recently

> broken netbook. The device will be serving as a backup unit, should my

> main system get a flue, headache - or cause me to have such diagnoses.

> Smiles.

> Today, I received an offer on something named Chromebook. I do not know

> what it is, or what to expect from it. Is it even running Windows? Or,

> more importantly, is it by any means workable by a blind user? Can it be

> run by means of NVDA, or what kind of screen reader would it be using?

> Well, is it even a computer, or are we talking more like a mobile device?

> If any of you have some hands-on experience, or more technical

> information of some sort - I would be greatly appreciating you dropping

> me a note on the matter. I want to know what to order, before I place

> any order for the next computerized device. So please educate me.

> Thanks alot,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 



Re: can't upgrade to the nvda 2017.4 rc

Gene
 

If you have wqork done on a machine, you should tell the place doing the work, and perhaps have a written agreement, that nothing will be upgraded and nothing new will be placed on the machine without asking you first.  I don't know if Web Root is at all accessible.  But, from what I read, it used to be at least more or less useable by JAWS users by extensive use of the JAWS cursor.  But that was two years ago and who knows now.  Also, the system tray can be made to display the webroot icon if it isn't now and you can do things there, but I don't know what.  You may have a way to disable protection by right clicking on the icon, looking at whatever options come up, and trying to work with something that seems a category where you might find such an option.  I don't know whether Webroot provides more or enough more protection than other options that may be accessible to say whether you should keep it or not.  others may be able to comment on the question.  Also, in future, make sure you get the correct name of anything you agree to have added to the machine and write the items down, if you need to, to remember them. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 3:46 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't upgrade to the nvda 2017.4 rc

I would guess, as you did, that the issue is this web rooter.  To get to it, you can try:
1. Press alt+tab.  Hold down alt and keep tapping tab.  You should either find a "web rooter" window or similar, or eventually get back to the first window you had open.  Most anti-virus type programs don't have a window open so this won't necessarily find it, but it's the easiest first step.

2. Press WINDOWS+B to move the focus to the system tray (B for... because :)  I don't know, it's Microsoft's shortcut).  Next, press right arrow to move through the icons and see if you can find it there.  If you have "notification chevron" or "notification overflow" or similar, press up arrow, then use left arrow to move through those icons.

When you find it in the system tray, press applications key to bring up a context menu then down arrow through that, alternatively try enter or space.

Look for something like "Exit".

Failing that, press control+shift+escape to bring up task manager and down arrow through the running programs to find it.  If you press tab and find a "more details" button.  Press enter to show more details.  When you find web rooter, you can press alt+e to end task (or context menu then find end task).  Be sure you are exiting the right app as this will force close it and it could have unintended consequences if you close the wrong thing.

The other thing you might want to do, if you don't want this web rooter, is to open the start menu, type "add or remove programs" and see if you can find the program to uninstall.  Note it is a good idea to have an anti virus program of some sort running.  On Windows 10 I just use the built in defender, but there are third party ones which work as well.  At some point before uninstalling it, you might check and see if you can access the main program window or functions of this web rooter and see if you can access it.  If you can and you want to keep it, then you'll just need to figure out how to disable it while installing programs.  If it's not accessible, it's always worth shooting an email to the program developer to ask them to make it accessible.  Even if you aren't intending to keep it, your request might encourage them to make the program accessible for others (or for you down the track).

Kind regards

Quentin.

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Unless its what others are saying here, I cannot tell what your issue might be unless you have been relegated to a normal user without any admin rights at all by the company.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 6:27 AM
Subject: [nvda] can't upgrade to the nvda 2017.4 rc


Hi, everyone,



I'm using narrator to write this message. I tried to update to nvda 2017.4
RC but when I tried to update to that version, something blocked it from
coming up. I called the microsoft disability line and they couldn't get it
to come up either. When Best Buys repaired my computer, they put on this
thing called web rooter or something like that. I don't know what to do.
They also installed C cleaner which I really didn't need. How do I allow web
rooter to unblock nvda so I can upgrade?



Thanks for your help in advance.







Rosemarie













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Re: can't upgrade to the nvda 2017.4 rc

Gene
 

It's web root. 
 
Gene

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Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 1:51 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't upgrade to the nvda 2017.4 rc

Hmm when I look up web rooter it gives me Canadian plumbers!
 Brian

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From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 6:27 AM
Subject: [nvda] can't upgrade to the nvda 2017.4 rc


> Hi, everyone,
>
>
>
> I'm using narrator to write this message. I tried to update to nvda 2017.4
> RC but when I tried to update to that version, something blocked it from
> coming up. I called the microsoft disability line and they couldn't get it
> to come up either. When Best Buys repaired my computer, they put on this
> thing called web rooter or something like that. I don't know what to do.
> They also installed C cleaner which I really didn't need. How do I allow
> web
> rooter to unblock nvda so I can upgrade?
>
>
>
> Thanks for your help in advance.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Rosemarie
>
>
>
>
>
>




nvda 2017.4 rc2 and nvda find in windows10-mail

Josh Kennedy
 

Hi

In latest nvda and windows10 mail app when reading a message, nvda find, capslock control f, if I look for something that is a ways down the emailnvda find will not find it. Could this be fixed? Jaws find works, nvda find does not.

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


firefox toolbars

 

Hi.

Well after trying the new noscript for ages, it appears the new firefox ui has a lot of limitations, I have no way how to access the new noscript toolbars, or in fact any of the addons as I used to.

The new addon options are just not usable and firefox likes to be really slow on things like utube.

If this keeps up, I am going to have to find a way either with esr or something like waterfox which uses the old but accessible engine.

Sadly our accessible menus are gone.

There is no way to get to the toolbars where all the addons are, and even if you can edit the addons in options no way to handle all those.

With the new engine and its so called limitations all our so called accessible menus like the info bar are gone.

I can't use noscript now because of this issue and have had to leave it off.

If this continues I am going to have to use an outdated firefox unless I can find an user agent that works with the esr release and can configure it right.


Re: chromebook

Sally Kiebdaj
 

Hello guys,


I have had a chromebook for several years now and regularly use chromevox with chrome browser on other platforms.


Mostly, I use it for google web applications but it connects to USB storage and so I will also hook it to my portable hard drive for working offline. Many of the native google apps do work offline on the chromebook and then sync once you have an internet connection again. There are also some apps specifically designed for offline use and most chromebooks have SD card slots of varying capacity for expanding storage. 


For an idea of what is available, look at the chrome web store: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/category/apps


As others have stated, it does not run NVDA or any other windows applications. That said, chromevox, the native screen reader, has improved greatly over the years I have had the device and in its latest iteration is quite convenient and in terms of web browsing key layout fairly similar to NVDA. 

I am not sure that it has audio editing software but it definitely does have a basic audio player built in for offline use.

I would never have it as my primary computer but do enjoy using it for travel, reading recipes in the kitchen, or really any other time that I don't want to risk my more expensive windows or Mac machines.

do be careful to get one of the chromebooks with a fast processor or the screen reader can lag too much for my patience. I regularly use two other chromebooks owned by family and the initial load time for the screen reader or responsiveness on complex websites is a bit too laggy on those machines. Mine was one of the original ones offered to the public and has held up brilliantly through OS updates. It is still faster than the two other machines I mentioned which are much newer but lower end in terms of hardware.
Hope this information helps a bit and feel free to write me off-list with any more specific questions.

Cheers,
Sally
fiddle.pup@...

On 11/23/2017 3:41 AM, David Moore wrote:

Thanks Brian!

That is what I am seeing as well. I can use a lot of programs and do a lot with my HP Stream laptop with just a 32 Gig SSD drive that costs only $180.00

I have Win10 1709 on it, and I am only using 16 GB, and that is even with JAWS and NVDA, VLC Media player, and many other programs. I use the portable version of Firefox, and that works great along with using Edge and IE 11 a little.

Have a great one!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 2:40 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] chromebook

 

Not really, its pretty limited as far as I can see as most storage is

through the cloud.

Chromevox is also a little clunky. Not sure considering the costs if one of

these has much of a place in the market these days considering what yu can

do on a cheap amazon Tablet or a  low end windows laptop.

Brian

 

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----- Original Message -----

From: "David Moore" <jesusloves1966@...>

To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 2:03 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] chromebook

 

 

I am curious,

I have read a lot about Chrome Books, and I still can’t figure out what

music player you can install on the machine, for example. Is all you can use

are apps on the Internet like the Chrome apps like Google Docs, Google

sheets, Google Play, and so on.

Is it a computer that only works with Internet apps?

It sounds like you can have android apps on it, is that true?

I am just trying to get my hands around what you can actually have installed

on the computer itself that you can work with off line! Is there a version

of a music editor, for example you could install on the computer that works

with the Chrome OS?

Thanks a lot.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Dido Manolov

Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 4:58 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] chromebook

 

Hi,

Chromebook is a laptop. It is running GoogleOS, not Windows. It runs

basically everything through the internet and the cloud services. You cannot

run any programs for Windows or Apple.

Regards:

Dilian

 

Sent from my iPhone

 

> On 22 Nov 2017, at 21:30, David <trailerdavid@...> wrote:

> Listers,

> I am really not sure, to what extent this might be totally off-topic. If

> so, forebare with me, and contact me off-list.

> I am contemplating getting a new device, which would replace my recently

> broken netbook. The device will be serving as a backup unit, should my

> main system get a flue, headache - or cause me to have such diagnoses.

> Smiles.

> Today, I received an offer on something named Chromebook. I do not know

> what it is, or what to expect from it. Is it even running Windows? Or,

> more importantly, is it by any means workable by a blind user? Can it be

> run by means of NVDA, or what kind of screen reader would it be using?

> Well, is it even a computer, or are we talking more like a mobile device?

> If any of you have some hands-on experience, or more technical

> information of some sort - I would be greatly appreciating you dropping

> me a note on the matter. I want to know what to order, before I place

> any order for the next computerized device. So please educate me.

> Thanks alot,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 



Re: can't upgrade to the nvda 2017.4 rc

Quentin Christensen
 

I would guess, as you did, that the issue is this web rooter.  To get to it, you can try:
1. Press alt+tab.  Hold down alt and keep tapping tab.  You should either find a "web rooter" window or similar, or eventually get back to the first window you had open.  Most anti-virus type programs don't have a window open so this won't necessarily find it, but it's the easiest first step.

2. Press WINDOWS+B to move the focus to the system tray (B for... because :)  I don't know, it's Microsoft's shortcut).  Next, press right arrow to move through the icons and see if you can find it there.  If you have "notification chevron" or "notification overflow" or similar, press up arrow, then use left arrow to move through those icons.

When you find it in the system tray, press applications key to bring up a context menu then down arrow through that, alternatively try enter or space.

Look for something like "Exit".

Failing that, press control+shift+escape to bring up task manager and down arrow through the running programs to find it.  If you press tab and find a "more details" button.  Press enter to show more details.  When you find web rooter, you can press alt+e to end task (or context menu then find end task).  Be sure you are exiting the right app as this will force close it and it could have unintended consequences if you close the wrong thing.

The other thing you might want to do, if you don't want this web rooter, is to open the start menu, type "add or remove programs" and see if you can find the program to uninstall.  Note it is a good idea to have an anti virus program of some sort running.  On Windows 10 I just use the built in defender, but there are third party ones which work as well.  At some point before uninstalling it, you might check and see if you can access the main program window or functions of this web rooter and see if you can access it.  If you can and you want to keep it, then you'll just need to figure out how to disable it while installing programs.  If it's not accessible, it's always worth shooting an email to the program developer to ask them to make it accessible.  Even if you aren't intending to keep it, your request might encourage them to make the program accessible for others (or for you down the track).

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 8:27 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists@...> wrote:
Unless its what others are saying here, I cannot tell what your issue might be unless you have been relegated to a normal user without any admin rights at all by the company.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 6:27 AM
Subject: [nvda] can't upgrade to the nvda 2017.4 rc


Hi, everyone,



I'm using narrator to write this message. I tried to update to nvda 2017.4
RC but when I tried to update to that version, something blocked it from
coming up. I called the microsoft disability line and they couldn't get it
to come up either. When Best Buys repaired my computer, they put on this
thing called web rooter or something like that. I don't know what to do.
They also installed C cleaner which I really didn't need. How do I allow web
rooter to unblock nvda so I can upgrade?



Thanks for your help in advance.







Rosemarie













--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
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Re: [Nvda-devel] NVDA 2017.4rc2 now available for testing

Quentin Christensen
 

As with the regular stable version, it only checks once every day.  It won't necessarily have checked before you see the message on the group.  If you wait, it should update automatically (do let me know if you are on rc1 and wait and it doesn't after running it a couple of times over a couple of days).  Otherwise, you can download via the link in the previous message.  It's the same page as usual, inviting a donation, but do select "skip donation this time" to not make a donation (I know many users make automatic or regular donations and we really appreciate that and I don't like to bother people too much!)

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 6:42 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists@...> wrote:
That page has the normal link that goes via the subscribe or not message I think. If you have the rc1 normally I'd expect rc2 to be offered automatically certainly the rc snap version from the snapshot page did an auto update last night for me.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Casey" <cwollner@...>
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Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 2:32 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] [Nvda-devel] NVDA 2017.4rc2 now available for testing


Hi can you please supply A down load link to down load this new version.




On 11/22/2017 6:19 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:


Hi all,


NVDA 2017.4rc2 has just been released for testing.


Changes from RC1 include:

• The message shown in NVDA’s About dialog is again correctly shown in
the user’s configured language.
• It is again possible to connect to Handy Tech Braille Star 40
devices using bluetooth.
• Fixed an issue where overriding handy tech display gestures resulted
in warnings about malformed input gesture identifiers.


Full blog post: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda2017-4rc2released/
<https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda2017-4rc2released/>

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Training and Support Manager

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http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>
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--

Casey









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Re: can't upgrade to the nvda 2017.4 rc

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Unless its what others are saying here, I cannot tell what your issue might be unless you have been relegated to a normal user without any admin rights at all by the company.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 6:27 AM
Subject: [nvda] can't upgrade to the nvda 2017.4 rc


Hi, everyone,



I'm using narrator to write this message. I tried to update to nvda 2017.4
RC but when I tried to update to that version, something blocked it from
coming up. I called the microsoft disability line and they couldn't get it
to come up either. When Best Buys repaired my computer, they put on this
thing called web rooter or something like that. I don't know what to do.
They also installed C cleaner which I really didn't need. How do I allow web
rooter to unblock nvda so I can upgrade?



Thanks for your help in advance.







Rosemarie






Re: Submenu expantion on website

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

So really the problem is that they are not actually being identified correctly for us, not that they do not work.
Confusing.
Brian

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From: "Ron Canazzi" <aa2vm@roadrunner.com>
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Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 5:43 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Submenu expantion on website


Hi Jonathon,


With these types of menus, here is what I do. Switch to edit mode with
insert + space bar. Then press enter. When I did this on the first
collapse link, it actually read search. Then I switched out of the edit
mode and down a few lines was a combo box that gave you a choice of what
type of search and an edit box to type in a search string.


Give this a try on those types of links that say collapsed and many of
them work like edit combo boxes.




On 11/22/2017 11:59 AM, Jonathan Milam wrote:

Hi All,

When I visit:

http://help.wfu.edu

and attempt to expand the submenus for Help, explore services, WFU
Community, and About Us, the menu doesn’t expand with enter or space,
or even using the number pad to left click it. I have tested with
Firefox, IE and Chrome. However, JAWS expands them without
difficulty. Are there any ideas for what the developer can try to
make these expand properly? When expanded, the body of the web page
changes and the content appears under the next heading.

Thanks,

Jonathan

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Re: chromebook

David Moore
 

Thanks Brian!

That is what I am seeing as well. I can use a lot of programs and do a lot with my HP Stream laptop with just a 32 Gig SSD drive that costs only $180.00

I have Win10 1709 on it, and I am only using 16 GB, and that is even with JAWS and NVDA, VLC Media player, and many other programs. I use the portable version of Firefox, and that works great along with using Edge and IE 11 a little.

Have a great one!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 2:40 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] chromebook

 

Not really, its pretty limited as far as I can see as most storage is

through the cloud.

Chromevox is also a little clunky. Not sure considering the costs if one of

these has much of a place in the market these days considering what yu can

do on a cheap amazon Tablet or a  low end windows laptop.

Brian

 

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----- Original Message -----

From: "David Moore" <jesusloves1966@...>

To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 2:03 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] chromebook

 

 

I am curious,

I have read a lot about Chrome Books, and I still can’t figure out what

music player you can install on the machine, for example. Is all you can use

are apps on the Internet like the Chrome apps like Google Docs, Google

sheets, Google Play, and so on.

Is it a computer that only works with Internet apps?

It sounds like you can have android apps on it, is that true?

I am just trying to get my hands around what you can actually have installed

on the computer itself that you can work with off line! Is there a version

of a music editor, for example you could install on the computer that works

with the Chrome OS?

Thanks a lot.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Dido Manolov

Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 4:58 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] chromebook

 

Hi,

Chromebook is a laptop. It is running GoogleOS, not Windows. It runs

basically everything through the internet and the cloud services. You cannot

run any programs for Windows or Apple.

Regards:

Dilian

 

Sent from my iPhone

 

> On 22 Nov 2017, at 21:30, David <trailerdavid@...> wrote:

> Listers,

> I am really not sure, to what extent this might be totally off-topic. If

> so, forebare with me, and contact me off-list.

> I am contemplating getting a new device, which would replace my recently

> broken netbook. The device will be serving as a backup unit, should my

> main system get a flue, headache - or cause me to have such diagnoses.

> Smiles.

> Today, I received an offer on something named Chromebook. I do not know

> what it is, or what to expect from it. Is it even running Windows? Or,

> more importantly, is it by any means workable by a blind user? Can it be

> run by means of NVDA, or what kind of screen reader would it be using?

> Well, is it even a computer, or are we talking more like a mobile device?

> If any of you have some hands-on experience, or more technical

> information of some sort - I would be greatly appreciating you dropping

> me a note on the matter. I want to know what to order, before I place

> any order for the next computerized device. So please educate me.

> Thanks alot,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: can't upgrade to the nvda 2017.4 rc

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Hmm when I look up web rooter it gives me Canadian plumbers!
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 6:27 AM
Subject: [nvda] can't upgrade to the nvda 2017.4 rc


Hi, everyone,



I'm using narrator to write this message. I tried to update to nvda 2017.4
RC but when I tried to update to that version, something blocked it from
coming up. I called the microsoft disability line and they couldn't get it
to come up either. When Best Buys repaired my computer, they put on this
thing called web rooter or something like that. I don't know what to do.
They also installed C cleaner which I really didn't need. How do I allow web
rooter to unblock nvda so I can upgrade?



Thanks for your help in advance.







Rosemarie






Re: [Nvda-devel] NVDA 2017.4rc2 now available for testing

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

That page has the normal link that goes via the subscribe or not message I think. If you have the rc1 normally I'd expect rc2 to be offered automatically certainly the rc snap version from the snapshot page did an auto update last night for me.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Casey" <cwollner@wi.rr.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 2:32 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] [Nvda-devel] NVDA 2017.4rc2 now available for testing


Hi can you please supply A down load link to down load this new version.




On 11/22/2017 6:19 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:


Hi all,


NVDA 2017.4rc2 has just been released for testing.


Changes from RC1 include:

• The message shown in NVDA’s About dialog is again correctly shown in
the user’s configured language.
• It is again possible to connect to Handy Tech Braille Star 40
devices using bluetooth.
• Fixed an issue where overriding handy tech display gestures resulted
in warnings about malformed input gesture identifiers.


Full blog post: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda2017-4rc2released/
<https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda2017-4rc2released/>

--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess
--

Casey


Re: chromebook

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Not really, its pretty limited as far as I can see as most storage is through the cloud.
Chromevox is also a little clunky. Not sure considering the costs if one of these has much of a place in the market these days considering what yu can do on a cheap amazon Tablet or a low end windows laptop.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "David Moore" <jesusloves1966@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 2:03 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] chromebook


I am curious,
I have read a lot about Chrome Books, and I still can’t figure out what music player you can install on the machine, for example. Is all you can use are apps on the Internet like the Chrome apps like Google Docs, Google sheets, Google Play, and so on.
Is it a computer that only works with Internet apps?
It sounds like you can have android apps on it, is that true?
I am just trying to get my hands around what you can actually have installed on the computer itself that you can work with off line! Is there a version of a music editor, for example you could install on the computer that works with the Chrome OS?
Thanks a lot.
David Moore
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Dido Manolov
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 4:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] chromebook

Hi,
Chromebook is a laptop. It is running GoogleOS, not Windows. It runs basically everything through the internet and the cloud services. You cannot run any programs for Windows or Apple.
Regards:
Dilian

Sent from my iPhone

On 22 Nov 2017, at 21:30, David <trailerdavid@hotmail.com> wrote:

Listers,
I am really not sure, to what extent this might be totally off-topic. If
so, forebare with me, and contact me off-list.

I am contemplating getting a new device, which would replace my recently
broken netbook. The device will be serving as a backup unit, should my
main system get a flue, headache - or cause me to have such diagnoses.
Smiles.

Today, I received an offer on something named Chromebook. I do not know
what it is, or what to expect from it. Is it even running Windows? Or,
more importantly, is it by any means workable by a blind user? Can it be
run by means of NVDA, or what kind of screen reader would it be using?
Well, is it even a computer, or are we talking more like a mobile device?

If any of you have some hands-on experience, or more technical
information of some sort - I would be greatly appreciating you dropping
me a note on the matter. I want to know what to order, before I place
any order for the next computerized device. So please educate me.

Thanks alot,



Re: can't upgrade to the nvda 2017.4 rc

Jacob Kruger
 

It wasn't just something like the UAC prompt that required you to sort of automatically hit alt + A, followed by alt + Y to then let it continue?


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2017/11/23 08:27, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, everyone,

 

I'm using narrator to write this message. I tried to update to nvda 2017.4 RC but when I tried to update to that version, something blocked it from coming up. I called the microsoft disability line and they couldn't get it to come up either. When Best Buys repaired my computer, they put on this thing called web rooter or something like that. I don't know what to do. They also installed C cleaner which I really didn't need. How do I allow web rooter to unblock nvda so I can upgrade?

 

Thanks for your help in advance.

 

 

 

Rosemarie

 

 



Re: can't upgrade to the nvda 2017.4 rc

Robert Mendoza
 

It has nothing to do with the CCleaner perhaps the block you've encountered is the UAC - User Account Control. By doing so, you could try to adjust or turn off the level of control to allow to update of the nvda into your machine Since, you mentioned that your machine has been repaired.

Robert Mendoza

On 11/23/2017 2:27 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, everyone,

 

I'm using narrator to write this message. I tried to update to nvda 2017.4 RC but when I tried to update to that version, something blocked it from coming up. I called the microsoft disability line and they couldn't get it to come up either. When Best Buys repaired my computer, they put on this thing called web rooter or something like that. I don't know what to do. They also installed C cleaner which I really didn't need. How do I allow web rooter to unblock nvda so I can upgrade?

 

Thanks for your help in advance.

 

 

 

Rosemarie

 

 


can't upgrade to the nvda 2017.4 rc

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, everyone,

 

I'm using narrator to write this message. I tried to update to nvda 2017.4 RC but when I tried to update to that version, something blocked it from coming up. I called the microsoft disability line and they couldn't get it to come up either. When Best Buys repaired my computer, they put on this thing called web rooter or something like that. I don't know what to do. They also installed C cleaner which I really didn't need. How do I allow web rooter to unblock nvda so I can upgrade?

 

Thanks for your help in advance.

 

 

 

Rosemarie

 

 


Re: Submenu expantion on website

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Jonathon,


With these types of menus, here is what I do.  Switch to edit  mode with insert + space bar.  Then press enter.  When I did this on the first collapse link, it actually read search.  Then I switched out of the edit mode and down a few lines was a combo box that gave you a choice of what type of search and an edit box to type in a search string.


Give this a try on those types of links that say collapsed and many of  them work like edit combo boxes.




On 11/22/2017 11:59 AM, Jonathan Milam wrote:

Hi All,

 

When I visit:

http://help.wfu.edu

and attempt to expand the submenus for Help, explore services, WFU Community, and About Us, the menu doesn’t expand with enter or space, or even using the number pad  to left click it.  I have tested with Firefox, IE and Chrome.  However, JAWS expands them without difficulty.  Are there any ideas for what the developer can try to make these expand properly?  When expanded, the body of the web page changes and the content appears under the next heading.

 

Thanks,

Jonathan


-- 
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They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: chromebook

Tony Ballou
 

Hi,


Interesting,  here's a  link for more about what this is. It's a device
that is part of the google family.


https://www.google.com/chromebook/


Tony

On 11/22/2017 2:30 PM, David wrote:
Listers,
I am really not sure, to what extent this might be totally off-topic. If
so, forebare with me, and contact me off-list.

I am contemplating getting a new device, which would replace my recently
broken netbook. The device will be serving as a backup unit, should my
main system get a flue, headache - or cause me to have such diagnoses.
Smiles.

Today, I received an offer on something named Chromebook. I do not know
what it is, or what to expect from it. Is it even running Windows? Or,
more importantly, is it by any means workable by a blind user? Can it be
run by means of NVDA, or what kind of screen reader would it be using?
Well, is it even a computer, or are we talking more like a mobile device?

If any of you have some hands-on experience, or more technical
information of some sort - I would be greatly appreciating you dropping
me a note on the matter. I want to know what to order, before I place
any order for the next computerized device. So please educate me.

Thanks alot,



Re: [Nvda-devel] NVDA 2017.4rc2 now available for testing

Robert Mendoza
 

Not sure why you are having trouble accessing the posted link mentioned below for the RC2. Anyhow, here is the direct link to download.
https://www.nvaccess.org/download?nvdaVersion=2017.4rc2

On 11/23/2017 10:32 AM, Casey wrote:

Hi can you please supply A down load link to down load this new version.




On 11/22/2017 6:19 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:


Hi all,


NVDA 2017.4rc2 has just been released for testing.


Changes from RC1 include:

• The message shown in NVDA’s About dialog is again correctly shown in the user’s configured language.
• It is again possible to connect to Handy Tech Braille Star 40 devices using bluetooth.
• Fixed an issue where overriding handy tech display gestures resulted in warnings about malformed input gesture identifiers.


Full blog post: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda2017-4rc2released/

--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


-- 

Casey