Date   
braille me and brltty

Josh Kennedy
 

Hi,

I installed brltty, installed python development 3.8, then installed the python program or tried to install it, the one in the brltty folder in program files x86, but it would not install because I installed python 3.8 and brltty needs python 3.2. it looks like brltty won’t let me use the braille me display with NVDA after all. I was hoping I could get the braille me working with NVDA but I guess not.

 

Josh

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

tab key not working within web pages on NVDA version 19.3 RC 3

Scott Berry
 

Hello there,


I am on a survey page where normally NVDA works fine.  However, I have had some issues lately with the tab not working on those pages.  Here are the steps I have tried to follow to alleve the problem:


1.  I have restarted the computer.


2.  I have reloaded NVda through both Insert+q to reload it and I have just also tried pressing NVDA key N.  Neither of these seem to resolve the problem.



--
Scott Berry
Medical Office Assistant
Associates in Allied health
Patient Advocate

Chrome and GMail

Andy B.
 

Hi,

I use Chrome 80.0.3987.87 (Official Build) (64-bit). When going to www.google.com and attempting to activate the GMail link, NVDA 2019.3 RC3 just sits there. It appears to lock up sometimes, but I can't always reproduce it. The constant is that the GMail link will never open. Instead, the store link will open or NVDA just sits there doing nothing. Any ideas on how to fix this?

Re: Serious problems with the latest Windows 10 update

Gene
 

I've done a little more checking and this is an optional update, so it won't automatically install. 
 
Gene

From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2020 4:41 AM
Subject: Serious problems with the latest Windows 10 update

I'm posting this message here because it appears to be something very important for Windows 10 users to know.
 
Here we go again.  Another bad Windows update.  This article says you can solve the problems it causes by uninstalling the update but if it disables your sound, for blind users this could be far more trouble than for a sighted user.  The article doesn't say whether USB sound cards might work.  I hope so. 
 
I've said before that I think people should wait for two or three days before installing Windows updates to see if they are safe.  Here is one more reason why.
 
Gene

Serious problems with the latest Windows 10 update

Gene
 

I'm posting this message here because it appears to be something very important for Windows 10 users to know.
 
Here we go again.  Another bad Windows update.  This article says you can solve the problems it causes by uninstalling the update but if it disables your sound, for blind users this could be far more trouble than for a sighted user.  The article doesn't say whether USB sound cards might work.  I hope so. 
 
I've said before that I think people should wait for two or three days before installing Windows updates to see if they are safe.  Here is one more reason why.
 
Gene

Re: Windows defender marking NVDA a trojan

 

but i realy dont trust any security program and never use them.
i am waiting for your email, but did not recieve your reply.
did you recieve my email in the first days of new year?

On 2/9/20, Shaun Everiss <@smeveriss> wrote:
Hmmm I would really like some sort of antivirus/antimalware program that
you could add an exclude list to, and freely share it about.

In the list I would like:

1. the name of the file and where it came from, and also a reason why I
excluded it.

I would also like the program to scan all my excludes and then send the
files to various companies etc after testing them with say virustotal
and such and have them fixed in the rightt databases.

I'd actually like a virustotal protection and on demand scanner but
thats probably not possible.

There are various talking winpe disks about.

The easiest way to make the thing work for linux would to use something
ubuntu mate which is easy to use or something like grml/ debian in
command mode.

I've not actually managed to get many distros work out of the box.



On 9/02/2020 1:13 am, coffeekingms@... wrote:

Hi

I want to weigh in hear, a bit. I’m no security expert, at all, but I
see a couple of possible options hear. Are there any compatible ISO
images that can be put on a USB flash drive, windows and Linux, that
can be used to scan a drive, backup drives, etc for malware and remove
any that is found? Since we’re talking about exclusions, a way to
exclude false positives, and remove the negatives? I know virus
detection is complicated, and I don’t presume to have a perfect
solution, but it’s an option. Have whatever security software you
like, whichever works, but have a backup, that is separate from your
computer, so if gets infected by something nasty, you can boot
something self contained to work with. The images would have to be
accessible out of the box, without any setup needed, and I’m not sure
anything exists. I know for Linux there’s kali, bt I believe that’s
for penetration testing and the like. If not, I’d be happy to try to
put something together, if anyone is interested. Again, I’m not an
expert, and I’m not even sure how to do this but I’d be willing to
try. I’m not sure about the windows licensing and such, so it might
not be possible to put a windows based one together, but Linux is
another story. I’m not advocating Linux, but … oh hell. I don’t want
to start a flame war. Another option is to have backup software on a
flash drive that can run from a flash drive, but you’d need a
functioning system to run it.

Thanks

Kendell Clark

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
Windows 10

*From: *Shaun Everiss <mailto:@smeveriss>
*Sent: *Saturday, February 8, 2020 3:59 AM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] Windows defender marking NVDA a trojan

Using no security at all is dumb and stupid.

You should always have some of it.

A false negative means you get a virus and loose stuff.

Thats happened to one of my cousins ironically because he forgot to
update his norton subscription and he lost a lot of stuff, he had to
reformat to make the problem go away.

He couldn't do that himself and had to take the pc to somewhere to get
it fixed, it cost him a lot of cash.

While I am not against using security software in general I am
dissapointed and disheartened at the reasonable amount of noise in the
scans.

I know what the false positives are and what they are but unless I make
exclude lists for my software things will just get destroyed by the
software, don't use it and its worse.

But it depends what you do.

If you just use windows store apps, email via google, etc, chances are
you will be probably fine especially if everything is done in the cloud
as there is some protection there but its not perfect.


I wouldn't go about bragging you do not use security software as it is
very dangerous.

At the same time, it does concern me that every update of the so called
databases there is a chance that something else will be added to my
noisy scan data.

This means I need to lower my security by excluding things.

I do not at any way shape or form feel good about this but what else can
I do.

And I far better be complaining about false alarms than getting a virus,
I just wish things would get easier.

Something changed in the year 2003 which started us down the road of the
security nightmare we are on now.

At first, a few programs, but by 2007 we were seeing noisier and noisier
data and by 2012 it was really bad.

Since 2015 its plattoed at a point not going up or down which I guess is
good, however I'd like it to go back to normal.

I shouldn't get any message from my security software unless I have a
virus and can decide on the action.

Instead I get told I have a virus which is either something new, old or
that has been working before.

Instead of running malwarebytes which I no longer have installed on any
of my systems and full scanns of windows security or others, I don't
scan at all bar a quick scan or so which is done automatically.

Back in the day I would regular do this.

But now my system is infested with a lot of viruses and I know that all
of them are false positives and they never change so I don't upgrade or
anything.

Well I don't use a thirdparty scanner, put it that way.

I started with sophos but it made sure to make all the viruses go away
screwing up my system.

It took me a great deal to reinstall windows from scratch and get
everything back.

The meaning of security software is to at least be a guide to security.

I am more insecure with security software so I have to force it to
behave.

At the same time I wouldn't go without it.

All those ransomware attacks, botnets and malwarebreaches are worse than
any false positive.

Yet I really wish they would stop.

I manage a blog and a server on wordpress and do use security software.

And I havn't lost anything that wasn't supposed to be a problem, all my
files are there, no problem.

Yet in user computers companies think they can just do what they want.






On 8/02/2020 10:05 pm, zahra wrote:
false positive and false negative, are two of the main factors that i
never trust and never use security programs, antivirus, antimalware,
etc.
not sure about firewalls, but i never used and i am not familiar with
there method and the level of there reliability.
in the previous weeks, maybe in the first days of new year, i sent an
ofline email for you,
but unfortunately i did not recieve your reply and i am waiting for
your answer!
God bless you and thanks so much for your helpful replies as always.

On 2/8/20, Shaun Everiss <@smeveriss> wrote:
Just about every antimalware program has this false positive.

Kaspersky and a few others are supposed to be better.

Anyway what I actually said was that these programs at least some of
them detect more false than well who knows.

I have never got a virus in the last 10 years but I have got a lot of
false alarms.

Not sure about win8 etc, but yes you can exclude stuff you know is
not a
problem.

It would be good actually if you excluded the file you could report
all
your excluded files to the maker like microsoft and for each you could
state what it was, etc and maybe get support on it.

The issue I have and maybe others, is that while some of the stuff we
know about, I spend more time stopping false alarms than actual
viruses.

I am not sure if thats a good or bad thing but its certainly stopped
me
from getting any serious security software.

If windows defender and malwarebytes cause this much trouble with a
false positive, then I really don't want to know what a really good
antivirus will say.

But basically everything on your system is a potential virus depending
on the detections and stuff used.

And with the cloud based ai, I doubt that at the automated level there
is much control.

If you tell them they will fix the issue but there is no reason to
think
it will stay fixed.

As a result all the false alarms make the display of the software
noisy.

As I said, right now I have so many security holes in my computer
caused
by so many folder excludes that if it wasn't for ransomware, I have
half
a mind to exclude my entire hard drive or even disable the windows
security subsystem.

However there is always the if factor so I don't.

I havn't run any full system scans in the last 10 years, and I havn't
run any malware software in the last 5 years simply because of this
issue.

With the so called inteligent stuff about bgt and maybe some older
software excluded, it seems that every software package needs a
security
certification id or something and while it would be nice to get one, I
do wander if I could get one myself for the purpose that the software
I
have is not a problem or something.

I know some say I am just unlucky, but on all my other systems with
out
blind games, blind software and blind accessible programs there are no
trogens at all and that in itself is a concern, no excludes on any
of my
other systems yet.

Maybe I may exclude nvda just because I am concerned but still, maybe
I
have over excluded because of all this going on.


On 8/02/2020 7:18 pm, zahra wrote:
Shaun,
did i understand it correctly?
i think that antivirus programs especially microsoft products,
scan the entire system and maybe remove our necessary and important
files even maybe nvda or even other files including html, docx, audio
and video files?
i remember that in one of the iranian websites,
someone recorded a tutorial which explained how to exclude our
desired
folders from scanning by deffender.
his tutorial was for windows ten.
does windows deffender on windows 8 and 8.1 does the same things, and
it may removes our essential and important files without worning or
informing us about this matter?

On 2/8/20, Shaun Everiss <@smeveriss> wrote:
Yeah some of that software uses autoit and that is known to make
viruses.

At any rate its clunkey and slow as a language so I wouldn't bother
using programs written in it but you should be able to exclude
things.

Yeah when microsoft security etc cleans things it turns user account
control on at 33% by default.



On 8/02/2020 3:41 am, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Quenton,

In addition, I always have Defender set to update to the latest
version. I have had odd issues with it in the past. If you are
familiar with Steve's Clock, Defender flagged that consistently.
Even
after I allowed it under Defender settings, every time Windows
updates, it flags it again. I had to go into the settings and
manually exempt the Steve's clock folder from Defender scans. Even
then, it always brings up User Account Control when I run it. It
never comes up in start up--even though I have it set to run at
start
up. I have reported this to both the program developer and
Microsoft
with no change. I am glad that this isn't happening with NVDA
on my
system.


On 2/7/2020 1:00 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
I believe this only affects Windows 10 at this stage? Perhaps
Rosemarie and Ron are using Windows 7? Or their Defender hasn't
updated to the latest definitions maybe?

On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 4:30 PM Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@...
<mailto:aa2vm@...>> wrote:

Hi Group,

I also do not have this issue with RC3.


On 2/7/2020 12:28 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, Quentin,

I'm not having this problem on my system. I'm using
espeak but I
wonder if I should use something else just to be on the
safe
side.

Rosemarie

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Quentin
Christensen
*Sent:* Thursday, February 6, 2020 8:14 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* [nvda] Windows defender marking NVDA a trojan

Hi folks,

It was NVDARemote the other week, now it seems it's our
turn for
Microsoft's random unfounded accusations. If you try to
install
the release candidate of NVDA 2019.3, Windows Defender will
alert you it has found a trojan in eSpeak NG and blocked
it.
The install of NVDA will fail.

As a workaround for now, you can create a portable copy
of the
RC and that should run fine. You won't be able to use
eSpeak
NG.

NVDA 2019.2.1 installs and runs fine, even using eSpeak
NG (it
uses a different build of eSpeak NG).

I am not sure whether this affects Windows 7 users as
well. I
have reported it to Microsoft but I would encourage
everyone
else to as well. To be honest, even aside from it being
our
program affected, this really annoys me. Defender has
NOT found
a trojan in eSpeak, its heuristic (machine learning) has
guessed
that it looks a bit suspicious and flagged it - Ok that
happens,
but say that, don't say absolutely that a known malicious
software has been found.

It took a day or so to fix Defender's virus list and have
NVDARemote cleared, so I expect it will probably be
within about
the same timeline this time around. Apologies for the
inconvenience.

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

NVDA 2019.3 rc2 now available for testing:

https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3rc2-now-available-for-testing/

Web: www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org>
<http://www.nvaccess.org/>

Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/

User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>
--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a
banana boat!"



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

NVDA 2019.3 rc2 now available for testing:
https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3rc2-now-available-for-testing/

Web: www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org>
<http://www.nvaccess.org/>
Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>
--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"



--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

Re: Windows defender marking NVDA a trojan

 

Hmmm this is a concern.

Python3 is a new upgraded language, but if its getting misreported like this maybe nvda should stay with python2 till its fixed.




On 9/02/2020 7:36 am, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

In my case I have had it take away exe files such as flight following and do it with out warning. And that by the way is with pythin 3.

Take care

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On 7 Feb 2020, at 22:18, zahra wrote:

Shaun,
did i understand it correctly?
i think that antivirus programs especially microsoft products,
scan the entire system and maybe remove our necessary and important
files even maybe nvda or even other files including html, docx, audio
and video files?
i remember that in one of the iranian websites,
someone recorded a tutorial which explained how to exclude our desired
folders from scanning by deffender.
his tutorial was for windows ten.
does windows deffender on windows 8 and 8.1 does the same things, and
it may removes our essential and important files without worning or
informing us about this matter?

On 2/8/20, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:

Yeah some of that software uses autoit and that is known to make viruses.

At any rate its clunkey and slow as a language so I wouldn't bother
using programs written in it but you should be able to exclude things.

Yeah when microsoft security etc cleans things it turns user account
control on at 33% by default.



On 8/02/2020 3:41 am, Ron Canazzi wrote:

Hi Quenton,

In addition, I always have Defender set to update to the latest
version. I have had odd issues with it in the past. If you are
familiar with Steve's Clock, Defender flagged that consistently. Even
after I allowed it under Defender settings, every time Windows
updates, it flags it again. I had to go into the settings and
manually exempt the Steve's clock folder from Defender scans. Even
then, it always brings up User Account Control when I run it. It
never comes up in start up--even though I have it set to run at start
up. I have reported this to both the program developer and Microsoft
with no change. I am glad that this isn't happening with NVDA on my
system.


On 2/7/2020 1:00 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

I believe this only affects Windows 10 at this stage? Perhaps
Rosemarie and Ron are using Windows 7? Or their Defender hasn't
updated to the latest definitions maybe?

On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 4:30 PM Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@...
<mailto:aa2vm@...>> wrote:

Hi Group,

I also do not have this issue with RC3.


On 2/7/2020 12:28 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, Quentin,

I'm not having this problem on my system. I'm using espeak but I
wonder if I should use something else just to be on the safe side.

Rosemarie

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Quentin Christensen
*Sent:* Thursday, February 6, 2020 8:14 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* [nvda] Windows defender marking NVDA a trojan

Hi folks,

It was NVDARemote the other week, now it seems it's our turn for
Microsoft's random unfounded accusations. If you try to install
the release candidate of NVDA 2019.3, Windows Defender will
alert you it has found a trojan in eSpeak NG and blocked it.
The install of NVDA will fail.

As a workaround for now, you can create a portable copy of the
RC and that should run fine. You won't be able to use eSpeak NG.

NVDA 2019.2.1 installs and runs fine, even using eSpeak NG (it
uses a different build of eSpeak NG).

I am not sure whether this affects Windows 7 users as well. I
have reported it to Microsoft but I would encourage everyone
else to as well. To be honest, even aside from it being our
program affected, this really annoys me. Defender has NOT found
a trojan in eSpeak, its heuristic (machine learning) has guessed
that it looks a bit suspicious and flagged it - Ok that happens,
but say that, don't say absolutely that a known malicious
software has been found.

It took a day or so to fix Defender's virus list and have
NVDARemote cleared, so I expect it will probably be within about
the same timeline this time around. Apologies for the
inconvenience.

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

NVDA 2019.3 rc2 now available for testing:

https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3rc2-now-available-for-testing/

Web: www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>

Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/

User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>

--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

NVDA 2019.3 rc2 now available for testing:
https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3rc2-now-available-for-testing/

Web: www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>
Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>

--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"

--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

updates on nvda losing control of keys

Sarah k Alawami
 

I remember some discussions months ago about nvda losing control and you having to restart the computer. Today I had it happen every time I would restart nvda and would be in certain windows. I even had it happen with nvda 19.3. No log was collected for some reason though. I'm running in portable version of nvda 19.3 but it really started in 19.2 where my insert key got stuck, I restarted and right away it happened. And repeat. In fact it got so bad that I managed to shut off nvda and narrator could not be used as even its keys could not be used as I would hit caps lock space and I would hear "not a narrator command." I manage to grab the following log

https://www.dropbox.com/s/z62jgcwd1g6mzj3/nvda.log?dl=1

I dunno what to do here, but this is making me frustrated. It only happens when my system is busy or what not but I have 32 gigs of ram so it should not be happening now twice, once on Friday, and once today. Even happened to a friend of mine using spotify. Friday it was every time I was in a web interface such as discord, anywhere on chrome, my sim and its stuff which is not a web interface, etc. I cannot predict when this will happen, and sometimes a restart of the computer does not fix the issue, as it will start to happen 5 or so minutes after I'm using the computer. I noticed the issue now more with 1909, never ever with 1903 by the way. I did check for updates and all seems well.

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Re: NVDA Not Working with CyberLink PowerDVD Ultra 19

 

Thats true.

I have had a similar issue with abbyy fine reader 15.

At first they just said it worked with jaws and that was fine but would test it.

It took them over a month to test and find it was their software being bad.

Now its not been fixed yet but its in the cue so its going to appear at some point maybe in the next update in the 15 x series whenever that is.



On 9/02/2020 3:22 am, Brian Vogel wrote:
What any screen reader user needs to understand is that issues of inaccessibility can originate with the screen reader itself, the software you're trying to use it to control, or both.

Your request is not unreasonable, but be aware that it may have nothing to do with NVDA (or any other screen reader) and may have everything to do with something the folks at CyberLink have done (or not done) with PowerDVD Ultra 19.

There are times, of course, where both sides of the equation will have tweaks that must be made.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 

Re: Windows defender marking NVDA a trojan

 

Well true, that excludes bgt stuff most likely and if the dev is dead like the one that did virtual recorder.

Most of my false positives are bgt programs.


Some of the hacker geeks on the audiogames forum suspect why that is, but that does mean that for a lot of things especially older software it needs to be excluded.

For the newer stuff thats about, there is enough word out there that compiled bgt code because of how its done is behaving exactly like a virus so devs that can are switching to python for game programming or similar.

Of course those that can.

I know some of the gma stuff is like that, the bsc stuff is also being flagged and since the dev is not doing that anymore its unlikely he will report it same with bgt since the dev has left it alone due to it using older tech.

Its eventually supposed to be getting redone, but he is keeping his secrets close to his chest though when people ask he keeps saying things are coming and they are big so we have to wait.

Thing is, I know what the false positives actually are, but thats no help if there is no actual way to send via email to someone to say that certain programs are not a problem.

And I guess thats what happens with older programs.

I'd idealy like something that would scan all the programs I had, and flag things as a problem but instead of doing anything immediately allow me to exclude and report or simply exclude all the stuff I know is false and report it all at once.

On 9/02/2020 1:24 am, David Goldfield wrote:
Zahra,

There is always a risk that antimalware programs may accidentally remove an important program or a component of a program because it could mistakenly conclude that the program in question is malware. It has happened and there have been occasions where a program or other component of a screen reader was mistakenly flagged as a virus. However, this type of occurrence, while extremely inconvenient when it happens, is also extremely rare. I've been using computers running Windows since 1994 and have used a variety of antivirus programs during that time and I have never had my screen reader flagged as a virus or trojan. Yes, it can happen but the risk of this happening is low. However, if you plan on using a computer for anything more than writing simple documents trust me when I say that having a good antimalware solution running on your computer is absolutely essential and the benefits far outweigh these small risks. A doctor may mistakenly diagnose your cold symptoms for a more serious condition but the benefits of regularly seeing a physician far outweigh such risks. Windows Defender is now a very good security program. I would encourage you to just enjoy using your computer and to know that, if such a false positive does occur, the developer of that piece of software will do everything to ensure that their software is no longer flagged as a virus as soon as the antimalware vendor can be shown that a mistake has been made.


David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 2/8/2020 1:18 AM, zahra wrote:
Shaun,
did i understand it correctly?
i think that antivirus programs especially microsoft products,
scan the entire system and maybe remove our necessary and important
files even maybe nvda or even other files including html, docx, audio
and video files?
i remember that in one of the iranian websites,
someone recorded a tutorial which explained how to exclude our desired
folders from scanning by deffender.
his tutorial was for windows ten.
does windows deffender on windows 8 and 8.1 does the same things, and
it may removes our essential and important files without worning or
informing us about this matter?

On 2/8/20, Shaun Everiss <@smeveriss> wrote:
Yeah some of that software uses autoit and that is known to make viruses.

At any rate its clunkey and slow as a language so I wouldn't bother
using programs written in it but you should be able to exclude things.

Yeah when microsoft security etc cleans things it turns user account
control on at 33% by default.



On 8/02/2020 3:41 am, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Quenton,

In addition, I always have Defender set to update to the latest
version.  I have had odd issues with it in the past.  If you are
familiar with Steve's Clock, Defender flagged that consistently. Even
after I allowed it under Defender settings, every time Windows
updates, it flags it again.  I had to go into the settings and
manually exempt the Steve's clock folder from Defender scans. Even
then, it always brings up User Account Control when I run it.  It
never comes up in start up--even though I have it set to run at start
up.  I have reported this to both the program developer and Microsoft
with no change.  I  am glad that this isn't happening with NVDA on my
system.


On 2/7/2020 1:00 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
I believe this only affects Windows 10 at this stage?  Perhaps
Rosemarie and Ron are using Windows 7?  Or their Defender hasn't
updated to the latest definitions maybe?

On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 4:30 PM Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@...
<mailto:aa2vm@...>> wrote:

     Hi Group,

     I also do not have this issue with RC3.


     On 2/7/2020 12:28 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
     Hi, Quentin,

     I'm not having this problem on my system. I'm using espeak but I
     wonder if I should use something else just to be on the safe side.

     Rosemarie

     *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
     [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Quentin Christensen
     *Sent:* Thursday, February 6, 2020 8:14 PM
     *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
     *Subject:* [nvda] Windows defender marking NVDA a trojan

     Hi folks,

     It was NVDARemote the other week, now it seems it's our turn for
     Microsoft's random unfounded accusations.  If you try to install
     the release candidate of NVDA 2019.3, Windows Defender will
     alert you it has found a trojan in eSpeak NG and blocked it.
     The install of NVDA will fail.

     As a workaround for now, you can create a portable copy of the
     RC and that should run fine.  You won't be able to use eSpeak NG.

     NVDA 2019.2.1 installs and runs fine, even using eSpeak NG (it
     uses a different build of eSpeak NG).

     I am not sure whether this affects Windows 7 users as well.  I
     have reported it to Microsoft but I would encourage everyone
     else to as well.  To be honest, even aside from it being our
     program affected, this really annoys me.  Defender has NOT found
     a trojan in eSpeak, its heuristic (machine learning) has guessed
     that it looks a bit suspicious and flagged it - Ok that happens,
     but say that, don't say absolutely that a known malicious
     software has been found.

     It took a day or so to fix Defender's virus list and have
     NVDARemote cleared, so I expect it will probably be within about
     the same timeline this time around. Apologies for the
inconvenience.

     --

     Quentin Christensen
     Training and Support Manager

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.

Re: Windows defender marking NVDA a trojan

 

Hmmm I would really like some sort of antivirus/antimalware program that you could add an exclude list to, and freely share it about.

In the list I would like:

1.  the name of the file and where it came from, and also a reason why I excluded it.

I would also like the program to scan all my excludes and then send the files to various companies etc after testing them with say virustotal and such and have them fixed in the rightt databases.

I'd actually like a virustotal protection and on demand scanner but thats probably not possible.

There are various talking winpe disks about.

The easiest way to make the thing work for linux would to use something ubuntu mate which is easy to use or something like grml/ debian in command mode.

I've not actually managed to get many distros work out of the box.



On 9/02/2020 1:13 am, coffeekingms@... wrote:

Hi

I want to weigh in hear, a bit. I’m no security expert, at all, but I see a couple of possible options hear. Are there any compatible ISO images that can be put on a USB flash drive, windows and Linux, that can be used to scan a drive, backup drives, etc for malware and remove any that is found? Since we’re talking about exclusions, a way to exclude false positives, and remove the negatives? I know virus detection is complicated, and I don’t presume to have a perfect solution, but it’s an option. Have whatever security software you like, whichever works, but have a backup, that is separate from your computer, so if gets infected by something nasty, you can boot something self contained to work with. The images would have to be accessible out of the box, without any setup needed, and I’m not sure anything exists. I know for Linux there’s kali, bt I believe that’s for penetration testing and the like. If not, I’d be happy to try to put something together, if anyone is interested. Again, I’m not an expert, and I’m not even sure how to do this but I’d be willing to try. I’m not sure about the windows licensing and such, so it might not be possible to put a windows based one together, but Linux is another story. I’m not advocating Linux, but … oh hell. I don’t want to start a flame war. Another option is to have backup software on a flash drive that can run from a flash drive, but you’d need a functioning system to run it.

Thanks

Kendell Clark

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Saturday, February 8, 2020 3:59 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows defender marking NVDA a trojan

 

Using no security at all is dumb and stupid.

You should always have some of it.

A false negative means you get a virus and loose stuff.

Thats happened to one of my cousins ironically because he forgot to
update his norton subscription and he lost a lot of stuff, he had to
reformat to make the problem go away.

He couldn't do that himself and had to take the pc to somewhere to get
it fixed, it cost him a lot of cash.

While I am not against using security software in general I am
dissapointed and disheartened at the reasonable amount of noise in the
scans.

I know what the false positives are and what they are but unless I make
exclude lists for my software things will just get destroyed by the
software, don't use it and its worse.

But it depends what you do.

If you just use windows store apps, email via google, etc, chances are
you will be probably fine especially if everything is done in the cloud
as there is some protection there but its not perfect.


I wouldn't go about bragging you do not use security software as it is
very dangerous.

At the same time, it does concern me that every update of the so called
databases there is a chance that something else will be added to my
noisy scan data.

This means I need to lower my security by excluding things.

I do not at any way shape or form feel good about this but what else can
I do.

And I far better be complaining about false alarms than getting a virus,
I just wish things would get easier.

Something changed in the year 2003 which started us down the road of the
security nightmare we are on now.

At first, a few programs, but by 2007 we were seeing noisier and noisier
data and by 2012 it was really bad.

Since 2015 its plattoed at a point not going up or down which I guess is
good, however I'd like it to go back to normal.

I shouldn't get any message from my security software unless I have a
virus and can decide on the action.

Instead I get told I have a virus which is either something new, old or
that has been working before.

Instead of running malwarebytes which I no longer have installed on any
of my systems and full scanns of windows security or others, I don't
scan at all bar a quick scan or so which is done automatically.

Back in the day I would regular do this.

But now my system is infested with a lot of viruses and I know that all
of them are false positives and they never change so I don't upgrade or
anything.

Well I don't use a thirdparty scanner, put it that way.

I started with sophos but it made sure to make all the viruses go away
screwing up my system.

It took me a great deal to reinstall windows from scratch and get
everything back.

The meaning of security software is to at least be a guide to security.

I am more insecure with security software so I have to force it to behave.

At the same time I wouldn't go without it.

All those ransomware attacks, botnets and malwarebreaches are worse than
any false positive.

Yet I really wish they would stop.

I manage a blog and a server on wordpress and do use security software.

And I havn't lost anything that wasn't supposed to be a problem, all my
files are there, no problem.

Yet in user computers companies think they can just do what they want.






On 8/02/2020 10:05 pm, zahra wrote:
> false positive and false negative, are two of the main factors that i
> never trust and never use security programs, antivirus, antimalware,
> etc.
> not sure about firewalls, but i never used and i am not familiar with
> there method and the level of there reliability.
> in the previous weeks, maybe in the first days of new year, i sent an
> ofline email for you,
> but unfortunately i did not recieve your reply and i am waiting for your answer!
> God bless you and thanks so much for your helpful replies as always.
>
> On 2/8/20, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:
>> Just about every antimalware program has this false positive.
>>
>> Kaspersky and a few others are supposed to be better.
>>
>> Anyway what I actually said was that these programs at least some of
>> them detect more false than well who knows.
>>
>> I have never got a virus in the last 10 years but I have got a lot of
>> false alarms.
>>
>> Not sure about win8 etc, but yes you can exclude stuff you know is not a
>> problem.
>>
>> It would be good actually if you excluded the file you could report all
>> your excluded files to the maker like microsoft and for each you could
>> state what it was, etc and maybe get support on it.
>>
>> The issue I have and maybe others, is that while some of the stuff we
>> know about, I spend more time stopping false alarms than actual viruses.
>>
>> I am not sure if thats a good or bad thing but its certainly stopped me
>> from getting any serious security software.
>>
>> If windows defender and malwarebytes cause this much trouble with a
>> false positive, then I really don't want to know what a really good
>> antivirus will say.
>>
>> But basically everything on your system is a potential virus depending
>> on the detections and stuff used.
>>
>> And with the cloud based ai, I doubt that at the automated level there
>> is much control.
>>
>> If you tell them they will fix the issue but there is no reason to think
>> it will stay fixed.
>>
>> As a result all the false alarms make the display of the software noisy.
>>
>> As I said, right now I have so many security holes in my computer caused
>> by so many folder excludes that if it wasn't for ransomware, I have half
>> a mind to exclude my entire hard drive or even disable the windows
>> security subsystem.
>>
>> However there is always the if factor so I don't.
>>
>> I havn't run any full system scans in the last 10 years, and I havn't
>> run any malware software in the last 5 years simply because of this issue.
>>
>> With the so called inteligent stuff about bgt and maybe some older
>> software excluded, it seems that every software package needs a security
>> certification id or something and while it would be nice to get one, I
>> do wander if I could get one myself for the purpose that the software I
>> have is not a problem or something.
>>
>> I know some say I am just unlucky, but on all my other systems with out
>> blind games, blind software and blind accessible programs there are no
>> trogens at all and that in itself is a concern, no excludes on any of my
>> other systems yet.
>>
>> Maybe I may exclude nvda just because I am concerned but still, maybe I
>> have over excluded because of all this going on.
>>
>>
>> On 8/02/2020 7:18 pm, zahra wrote:
>>> Shaun,
>>> did i understand it correctly?
>>> i think that antivirus programs especially microsoft products,
>>> scan the entire system and maybe remove our necessary and important
>>> files even maybe nvda or even other files including html, docx, audio
>>> and video files?
>>> i remember that in one of the iranian websites,
>>> someone recorded a tutorial which explained how to exclude our desired
>>> folders from scanning by deffender.
>>> his tutorial was for windows ten.
>>> does windows deffender on windows 8 and 8.1 does the same things, and
>>> it may removes our essential and important files without worning or
>>> informing us about this matter?
>>>
>>> On 2/8/20, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:
>>>> Yeah some of that software uses autoit and that is known to make
>>>> viruses.
>>>>
>>>> At any rate its clunkey and slow as a language so I wouldn't bother
>>>> using programs written in it but you should be able to exclude things.
>>>>
>>>> Yeah when microsoft security etc cleans things it turns user account
>>>> control on at 33% by default.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 8/02/2020 3:41 am, Ron Canazzi wrote:
>>>>> Hi Quenton,
>>>>>
>>>>> In addition, I always have Defender set to update to the latest
>>>>> version.  I have had odd issues with it in the past.  If you are
>>>>> familiar with Steve's Clock, Defender flagged that consistently. Even
>>>>> after I allowed it under Defender settings, every time Windows
>>>>> updates, it flags it again.  I had to go into the settings and
>>>>> manually exempt the Steve's clock folder from Defender scans. Even
>>>>> then, it always brings up User Account Control when I run it.  It
>>>>> never comes up in start up--even though I have it set to run at start
>>>>> up.  I have reported this to both the program developer and Microsoft
>>>>> with no change.  I  am glad that this isn't happening with NVDA on my
>>>>> system.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/7/2020 1:00 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
>>>>>> I believe this only affects Windows 10 at this stage?  Perhaps
>>>>>> Rosemarie and Ron are using Windows 7?  Or their Defender hasn't
>>>>>> updated to the latest definitions maybe?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 4:30 PM Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@...
>>>>>> <mailto:aa2vm@...>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>       Hi Group,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>       I also do not have this issue with RC3.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>       On 2/7/2020 12:28 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
>>>>>>>       Hi, Quentin,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       I'm not having this problem on my system. I'm using espeak but I
>>>>>>>       wonder if I should use something else just to be on the safe
>>>>>>> side.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       Rosemarie
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>>>>       [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Quentin Christensen
>>>>>>>       *Sent:* Thursday, February 6, 2020 8:14 PM
>>>>>>>       *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>>>>       *Subject:* [nvda] Windows defender marking NVDA a trojan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       Hi folks,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       It was NVDARemote the other week, now it seems it's our turn for
>>>>>>>       Microsoft's random unfounded accusations.  If you try to install
>>>>>>>       the release candidate of NVDA 2019.3, Windows Defender will
>>>>>>>       alert you it has found a trojan in eSpeak NG and blocked it.
>>>>>>>       The install of NVDA will fail.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       As a workaround for now, you can create a portable copy of the
>>>>>>>       RC and that should run fine.  You won't be able to use eSpeak
>>>>>>> NG.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       NVDA 2019.2.1 installs and runs fine, even using eSpeak NG (it
>>>>>>>       uses a different build of eSpeak NG).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       I am not sure whether this affects Windows 7 users as well.  I
>>>>>>>       have reported it to Microsoft but I would encourage everyone
>>>>>>>       else to as well.  To be honest, even aside from it being our
>>>>>>>       program affected, this really annoys me.  Defender has NOT found
>>>>>>>       a trojan in eSpeak, its heuristic (machine learning) has guessed
>>>>>>>       that it looks a bit suspicious and flagged it - Ok that happens,
>>>>>>>       but say that, don't say absolutely that a known malicious
>>>>>>>       software has been found.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       It took a day or so to fix Defender's virus list and have
>>>>>>>       NVDARemote cleared, so I expect it will probably be within about
>>>>>>>       the same timeline this time around. Apologies for the
>>>>>>> inconvenience.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       --
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       Quentin Christensen
>>>>>>>       Training and Support Manager
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       NVDA 2019.3 rc2 now available for testing:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3rc2-now-available-for-testing/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       Web: www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
>>>>>>>       Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>       --
>>>>>>       They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
>>>>>>       They ask: "How Happy are You?"
>>>>>>       I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Quentin Christensen
>>>>>> Training and Support Manager
>>>>>>
>>>>>> NVDA 2019.3 rc2 now available for testing:
>>>>>> https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3rc2-now-available-for-testing/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Web: www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>
>>>>>> Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>>>>>> Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
>>>>>> User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
>>>>>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
>>>>>> Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>
>>>>> --
>>>>> They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
>>>>> They ask: "How Happy are You?"
>>>>> I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: place markers

cecropia64
 

martin:


i am using both jaws and nvda.  jaws works fine.  it is nvda that doesn't

On 2/8/2020 4:47 PM, Marten Post Uiterweer wrote:
stew,

With jaws2020 I have the same problem, but only on a specific website we
use at work named Service-now.

With jaws2019 I don't have this problem.
Are you using jaws2020 too and is it also happening with 2019?

Marten



On Sat, 8 Feb 2020 11:09:22 -0500 "cecropia64" <cecropia64@...> wrote:

hi folks:


i am having an issue with place markers.  when i make a place marker on a website it is all good.  but after a bunch of usages they don't hold their places anymore.  it tells me where the marker is listed but i find that when hitting enter nothing happens.  when i scroll down i find i am nowhere near the link i set the place marker at.  does anyone know what is happening and how i can fix this issue?  thanks


stew


Re: NVDA Not Working with CyberLink PowerDVD Ultra 19

Arno Schuh
 

Because I use Cyberlink, too, I support your request for an addon that makes Cyberlink more accessible.
I didn't bought v. 19, yet, but in the older versions some features were available in Cyberlink's context menue. But it would be very helpful if the OSM could be used with NVDA.

Arno

Chris <@ChrisKfromNJ> wrote:

Since PowerDVD Ultra 19 is a popular Windows program for Blu-ray and
DVD video playback, adding compatibility with NVDA would allow
sight-impared users to access and change preferences, perform
functions within a movie or an album, etc.. If there is an NVDA
add-on for this program, please let me know. Since this is my first
post here, I understand it might not make it to the group and needs
time for approval. If I get approved, I'd be happy to post this again
if this post doesn't make it to the group. Ultimately, I hope the
developers of NVDA are reading this and will be able to add support
for CyberLink PowerDVD Ultra version 19 and beyond to NVDA.

Thank you,

Chris

remote and NVDA2019.3

Mark
 

Hi can someone send me the url for the remote version witch works on this version  of nvda

Mark.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Buddy Brannan
Sent: 08 February 2020 20:42
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Braille me and NVDA2019.3?

 

While this is true, there was no specific braille display specification. That wasn’t finalized until mid-2018. Yes, Handytech and theAlva BC640 did use an HID interface, as did the Refreshabraille, and yes, they were well ahead of the curve in that respect. But what we’re talking about here is the new HID specification specifically for refreshable braille displays, which was only finalized in 2018. I see commitments (with a google search) from Vespero, Hims, and Dolphin, all positive signs. I don’t know if any of them have actually implemented the specification or not though.

 

 

 

Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA

Email: buddy@...

Mobile: (814) 431-0962

 

 

 

> On Feb 8, 2020, at 2:01 PM, Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@...> wrote:

>

> The Handy Tech, or better, Help Tech Braille displays use HID long before Orbit Reader...

>

>

> Rui Fontes

>

>

> Às 17:54 de 08/02/2020, Jason White via Groups.Io escreveu:

>> With apologies - I forgot to paste the link:

>> https://blog.freedomscientific.com/usbhid1/

>>

>> On 2/8/20, 12:54, "Jason White via Groups.Io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of jason@...> wrote:

>>

>>     We can add Vispero to the list:

>>

>>     On 2/8/20, 11:37, "Buddy Brannan" <nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of buddy@...> wrote:

>>

>>         So far, Orbit Research is the only one from whom I’ve seen any sort of announcement, and that being they’re the first to implement the new USB braille display specification. The question then becomes, which screen reader manufacturers are taking advantage of it? So…yeah, great that at least one manufacturer has implemented. I *think* NVDA and Narrator support it. Maybe that means it’s built into Windows. I recall Apple was involved in the implementation of the standard, but I don’t know if it’s been built into OS X or not. Since it appears to be USB and not bluetooth, it is probably not on iOS. So it seems to me that getting the standard fully realized is not going to be a short or easy process, though I’m glad it’s at least started.

>>

>>

>>         Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA

>>         Email: buddy@...

>>         Mobile: (814) 431-0962

>>

>>

>>

>>         > On Feb 8, 2020, at 11:10 AM, Jason White via Groups.Io <jason@...> wrote:

>>         >

>>         > I read an announcement some time ago about a new USB standard for braille devices. If I remember correctly, it was part of the HID standard.

>>         >

>>         > If braille display manufacturers implement the standard, then many of these issues with screen reader compatibility will go away. I don't know which manufacturers plan to implement, however.

>>         >

>>         > On 2/8/20, 10:55, "Buddy Brannan" <nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of buddy@...> wrote:

>>         >

>>         >    Dunno about that. Weren’t their assets purchased by another company not long after they went away in 2017-2018? So they may emerge again, but no idea when or what form that will take, if any.

>>         >

>>         >

>>         >    Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA

>>         >    Email: buddy@...

>>         >    Mobile: (814) 431-0962

>>         >

>>         >

>>         >

>>         >> On Feb 8, 2020, at 10:39 AM, Brian Tew via Groups.Io <briantew1951@...> wrote:

>>         >>

>>         >> Not Baum--they are history

>>         >>

>>         >

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Re: place markers

Marten Post Uiterweer
 

stew,

With jaws2020 I have the same problem, but only on a specific website we
use at work named Service-now.

With jaws2019 I don't have this problem.
Are you using jaws2020 too and is it also happening with 2019?

Marten

On Sat, 8 Feb 2020 11:09:22 -0500 "cecropia64" <cecropia64@...> wrote:

hi folks:


i am having an issue with place markers.  when i make a place marker on a website it is all good.  but after a bunch of usages they don't hold their places anymore.  it tells me where the marker is listed but i find that when hitting enter nothing happens.  when i scroll down i find i am nowhere near the link i set the place marker at.  does anyone know what is happening and how i can fix this issue?  thanks


stew


Re: Braille me and NVDA2019.3?

Buddy Brannan
 

While this is true, there was no specific braille display specification. That wasn’t finalized until mid-2018. Yes, Handytech and theAlva BC640 did use an HID interface, as did the Refreshabraille, and yes, they were well ahead of the curve in that respect. But what we’re talking about here is the new HID specification specifically for refreshable braille displays, which was only finalized in 2018. I see commitments (with a google search) from Vespero, Hims, and Dolphin, all positive signs. I don’t know if any of them have actually implemented the specification or not though.



Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
Email: buddy@...
Mobile: (814) 431-0962

On Feb 8, 2020, at 2:01 PM, Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@...> wrote:

The Handy Tech, or better, Help Tech Braille displays use HID long before Orbit Reader...


Rui Fontes


Às 17:54 de 08/02/2020, Jason White via Groups.Io escreveu:
With apologies - I forgot to paste the link:
https://blog.freedomscientific.com/usbhid1/

On 2/8/20, 12:54, "Jason White via Groups.Io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of jason=jasonjgw.net@groups.io> wrote:

We can add Vispero to the list:

On 2/8/20, 11:37, "Buddy Brannan" <nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of buddy@...> wrote:

So far, Orbit Research is the only one from whom I’ve seen any sort of announcement, and that being they’re the first to implement the new USB braille display specification. The question then becomes, which screen reader manufacturers are taking advantage of it? So…yeah, great that at least one manufacturer has implemented. I *think* NVDA and Narrator support it. Maybe that means it’s built into Windows. I recall Apple was involved in the implementation of the standard, but I don’t know if it’s been built into OS X or not. Since it appears to be USB and not bluetooth, it is probably not on iOS. So it seems to me that getting the standard fully realized is not going to be a short or easy process, though I’m glad it’s at least started.


Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
Email: buddy@...
Mobile: (814) 431-0962



> On Feb 8, 2020, at 11:10 AM, Jason White via Groups.Io <jason=jasonjgw.net@groups.io> wrote:
>
> I read an announcement some time ago about a new USB standard for braille devices. If I remember correctly, it was part of the HID standard.
>
> If braille display manufacturers implement the standard, then many of these issues with screen reader compatibility will go away. I don't know which manufacturers plan to implement, however.
>
> On 2/8/20, 10:55, "Buddy Brannan" <nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of buddy@...> wrote:
>
> Dunno about that. Weren’t their assets purchased by another company not long after they went away in 2017-2018? So they may emerge again, but no idea when or what form that will take, if any.
>
>
> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> Email: buddy@...
> Mobile: (814) 431-0962
>
>
>
>> On Feb 8, 2020, at 10:39 AM, Brian Tew via Groups.Io <briantew1951=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:
>>
>> Not Baum--they are history
>>
>
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Re: Braille me and NVDA2019.3?

Rui Fontes
 

The Handy Tech, or better, Help Tech Braille displays use HID long before Orbit Reader...


Rui Fontes


Às 17:54 de 08/02/2020, Jason White via Groups.Io escreveu:

With apologies - I forgot to paste the link:
https://blog.freedomscientific.com/usbhid1/

On 2/8/20, 12:54, "Jason White via Groups.Io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of jason=jasonjgw.net@groups.io> wrote:

We can add Vispero to the list:

On 2/8/20, 11:37, "Buddy Brannan" <nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of buddy@...> wrote:

So far, Orbit Research is the only one from whom I’ve seen any sort of announcement, and that being they’re the first to implement the new USB braille display specification. The question then becomes, which screen reader manufacturers are taking advantage of it? So…yeah, great that at least one manufacturer has implemented. I *think* NVDA and Narrator support it. Maybe that means it’s built into Windows. I recall Apple was involved in the implementation of the standard, but I don’t know if it’s been built into OS X or not. Since it appears to be USB and not bluetooth, it is probably not on iOS. So it seems to me that getting the standard fully realized is not going to be a short or easy process, though I’m glad it’s at least started.


Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
Email: buddy@...
Mobile: (814) 431-0962



> On Feb 8, 2020, at 11:10 AM, Jason White via Groups.Io <jason=jasonjgw.net@groups.io> wrote:
>
> I read an announcement some time ago about a new USB standard for braille devices. If I remember correctly, it was part of the HID standard.
>
> If braille display manufacturers implement the standard, then many of these issues with screen reader compatibility will go away. I don't know which manufacturers plan to implement, however.
>
> On 2/8/20, 10:55, "Buddy Brannan" <nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of buddy@...> wrote:
>
> Dunno about that. Weren’t their assets purchased by another company not long after they went away in 2017-2018? So they may emerge again, but no idea when or what form that will take, if any.
>
>
> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> Email: buddy@...
> Mobile: (814) 431-0962
>
>
>
>> On Feb 8, 2020, at 10:39 AM, Brian Tew via Groups.Io <briantew1951=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:
>>
>> Not Baum--they are history
>>
>
>
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Re: Windows defender marking NVDA a trojan

Sarah k Alawami
 

In my case I have had it take away exe files such as flight following and do it with out warning. And that by the way is with pythin 3.

Take care

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On 7 Feb 2020, at 22:18, zahra wrote:

Shaun,
did i understand it correctly?
i think that antivirus programs especially microsoft products,
scan the entire system and maybe remove our necessary and important
files even maybe nvda or even other files including html, docx, audio
and video files?
i remember that in one of the iranian websites,
someone recorded a tutorial which explained how to exclude our desired
folders from scanning by deffender.
his tutorial was for windows ten.
does windows deffender on windows 8 and 8.1 does the same things, and
it may removes our essential and important files without worning or
informing us about this matter?

On 2/8/20, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:

Yeah some of that software uses autoit and that is known to make viruses.

At any rate its clunkey and slow as a language so I wouldn't bother
using programs written in it but you should be able to exclude things.

Yeah when microsoft security etc cleans things it turns user account
control on at 33% by default.



On 8/02/2020 3:41 am, Ron Canazzi wrote:

Hi Quenton,

In addition, I always have Defender set to update to the latest
version. I have had odd issues with it in the past. If you are
familiar with Steve's Clock, Defender flagged that consistently. Even
after I allowed it under Defender settings, every time Windows
updates, it flags it again. I had to go into the settings and
manually exempt the Steve's clock folder from Defender scans. Even
then, it always brings up User Account Control when I run it. It
never comes up in start up--even though I have it set to run at start
up. I have reported this to both the program developer and Microsoft
with no change. I am glad that this isn't happening with NVDA on my
system.


On 2/7/2020 1:00 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

I believe this only affects Windows 10 at this stage? Perhaps
Rosemarie and Ron are using Windows 7? Or their Defender hasn't
updated to the latest definitions maybe?

On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 4:30 PM Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@...
<mailto:aa2vm@...>> wrote:

Hi Group,

I also do not have this issue with RC3.


On 2/7/2020 12:28 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, Quentin,

I'm not having this problem on my system. I'm using espeak but I
wonder if I should use something else just to be on the safe side.

Rosemarie

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Quentin Christensen
*Sent:* Thursday, February 6, 2020 8:14 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* [nvda] Windows defender marking NVDA a trojan

Hi folks,

It was NVDARemote the other week, now it seems it's our turn for
Microsoft's random unfounded accusations. If you try to install
the release candidate of NVDA 2019.3, Windows Defender will
alert you it has found a trojan in eSpeak NG and blocked it.
The install of NVDA will fail.

As a workaround for now, you can create a portable copy of the
RC and that should run fine. You won't be able to use eSpeak NG.

NVDA 2019.2.1 installs and runs fine, even using eSpeak NG (it
uses a different build of eSpeak NG).

I am not sure whether this affects Windows 7 users as well. I
have reported it to Microsoft but I would encourage everyone
else to as well. To be honest, even aside from it being our
program affected, this really annoys me. Defender has NOT found
a trojan in eSpeak, its heuristic (machine learning) has guessed
that it looks a bit suspicious and flagged it - Ok that happens,
but say that, don't say absolutely that a known malicious
software has been found.

It took a day or so to fix Defender's virus list and have
NVDARemote cleared, so I expect it will probably be within about
the same timeline this time around. Apologies for the
inconvenience.

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

NVDA 2019.3 rc2 now available for testing:

https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3rc2-now-available-for-testing/

Web: www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>

Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/

User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>

--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

NVDA 2019.3 rc2 now available for testing:
https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3rc2-now-available-for-testing/

Web: www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>
Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>

--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"

--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

Re: Windows defender marking NVDA a trojan

brian
 

    I have not had this issue and I have the latest version of windows 10 and the latest update for windows security I check for updates every morning when I turn my computer on.  This is one of theese things that effects some users and not others.

Brian Sackrider

On 2/7/2020 1:00 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
I believe this only affects Windows 10 at this stage?  Perhaps Rosemarie and Ron are using Windows 7?  Or their Defender hasn't updated to the latest definitions maybe?

On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 4:30 PM Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@...> wrote:
Hi Group,

I also do not have this issue with RC3.


On 2/7/2020 12:28 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, Quentin,

 

I'm not having this problem on my system. I'm using espeak but I wonder if I should use something else just to be on the safe side.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, February 6, 2020 8:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Windows defender marking NVDA a trojan

 

Hi folks,

 

It was NVDARemote the other week, now it seems it's our turn for Microsoft's random unfounded accusations.  If you try to install the release candidate of NVDA 2019.3, Windows Defender will alert you it has found a trojan in eSpeak NG and blocked it.  The install of NVDA will fail.

 

As a workaround for now, you can create a portable copy of the RC and that should run fine.  You won't be able to use eSpeak NG.

 

NVDA 2019.2.1 installs and runs fine, even using eSpeak NG (it uses a different build of eSpeak NG).

 

I am not sure whether this affects Windows 7 users as well.  I have reported it to Microsoft but I would encourage everyone else to as well.  To be honest, even aside from it being our program affected, this really annoys me.  Defender has NOT found a trojan in eSpeak, its heuristic (machine learning) has guessed that it looks a bit suspicious and flagged it - Ok that happens, but say that, don't say absolutely that a known malicious software has been found.

 

It took a day or so to fix Defender's virus list and have NVDARemote cleared, so I expect it will probably be within about the same timeline this time around.  Apologies for the inconvenience.

 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

 


-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Re: Braille me and NVDA2019.3?

Jason White
 

With apologies - I forgot to paste the link:
https://blog.freedomscientific.com/usbhid1/

On 2/8/20, 12:54, "Jason White via Groups.Io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of jason=jasonjgw.net@groups.io> wrote:

We can add Vispero to the list:

On 2/8/20, 11:37, "Buddy Brannan" <nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of buddy@...> wrote:

So far, Orbit Research is the only one from whom I’ve seen any sort of announcement, and that being they’re the first to implement the new USB braille display specification. The question then becomes, which screen reader manufacturers are taking advantage of it? So…yeah, great that at least one manufacturer has implemented. I *think* NVDA and Narrator support it. Maybe that means it’s built into Windows. I recall Apple was involved in the implementation of the standard, but I don’t know if it’s been built into OS X or not. Since it appears to be USB and not bluetooth, it is probably not on iOS. So it seems to me that getting the standard fully realized is not going to be a short or easy process, though I’m glad it’s at least started.


Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
Email: buddy@...
Mobile: (814) 431-0962

On Feb 8, 2020, at 11:10 AM, Jason White via Groups.Io <jason=jasonjgw.net@groups.io> wrote:
>
> I read an announcement some time ago about a new USB standard for braille devices. If I remember correctly, it was part of the HID standard.
>
> If braille display manufacturers implement the standard, then many of these issues with screen reader compatibility will go away. I don't know which manufacturers plan to implement, however.
>
> On 2/8/20, 10:55, "Buddy Brannan" <nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of buddy@...> wrote:
>
> Dunno about that. Weren’t their assets purchased by another company not long after they went away in 2017-2018? So they may emerge again, but no idea when or what form that will take, if any.
>
>
> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> Email: buddy@...
> Mobile: (814) 431-0962
>
>
>
>> On Feb 8, 2020, at 10:39 AM, Brian Tew via Groups.Io <briantew1951=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:
>>
>> Not Baum--they are history
>>
>
>
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