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Re: NVDA and Libreoffice

Peter Beasley
 

Jarte is certainly still around.
 

Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2017 2:55 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Libreoffice
 

I was going to ask about Jarte, but didn't know if that program is still around.


On 8/23/2017 9:30 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
I think to summarise the thread, LibreOffice tends to be updated more often, and more features are accessible.  Open Office is still being updated.  I just downloaded the latest version to have another look at myself.
 
Re your user, if what they mostly need is a word processor rather than a full office suite, Jarte is a popular stand-alone word processor.
 
Another option is Google Docs and Google Sheets etc.

Yes there are potential bugs with the different office suites, and it depends on exactly what you need to do as to which will best suit your needs.  For instance, yes the mouse bug I mentioned in LibreOffice causes a fairly bad crash, but if you are a user who doesn't use the mouse, then you won't encounter it.
 
 
 
On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:
This is serious guys I am trying to teach someone here to use an office like program that is not expensive ms office, how am I supposed to use it if there are issues with it that may pop up, I havn't yet fully started with it but I am half on the way to getting them to spend the cash on ms office which they allready know, should I ignore libre and go back to openoffice, wps office or something else entirely.




On 23/08/2017 11:18 p.m., Walmir Schultz via Groups.Io wrote:
So, this is one more issue in using NVDA and LibreOffice.. together.

I've described many of them here, but don't expect them to be solved because apparently there is no communication between the developers of both software.



Em 22/08/2017 22:19, Quentin Christensen escreveu:
Using NVDA 2017.3 rc1 and LibreOffice Writer 5.3.4.2 I did the following:

- Opened Word 2016 (I didn't have an old Word 2003 document handy) and typed a few words, saved as Word 97 - 2003 format .doc.
- Opened LibreOffice Writer.
- Opened the document I'd saved.
- Read through document, added some text.
- Saved document, and when prompted, saved in Office 2003 format.

I did notice at that point, the NVDA seemed to lose focus. Pressing alt twice to go into the menu and back, or alt+tab to something else and back fixed the issue though.

I tried again and had no problems, although I got the lose focus thing at one point moving through the text.  I didn't find a concrete way to reproduce that.  It's annoying, but it didn't bring the system down or anything.  The focus itself was still in the document, so I could still move around and edit, it was just that NVDA wasn't reading properly so I expect it wouldn't be evident with NVDA not running.  Nothing untoward in the NVDA log though.  I have noticed occasional issues with LibreOffice so not sure if this is related to using a Word 2003 doc, or just a general LIbreOffice thing.

On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 5:55 AM, Don H <lmddh50@... <mailto:lmddh50@...>> wrote:

    Running NVDA 2017.3 RC1 on a Win 10 system.
    Just installed LibreOffice and attempted to open and modify a MS
    Office 2003 document.  If I change the document and select to save
    it as the original .doc file type it crashes LibreOffice to the
    point of needing a hard reboot to clear it.  Is this a known issue
    with trying to use LibreOffice with Microsoft Office documents?
    Thanks







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Re: need to have any sound to know that i'm on top or bottom of text or list messages

Bhavya shah
 

Hi Moty,
This feature has been requested via NVDA's Github issue tracker
already. The relevant ticket is available at
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/4285 and you might want to
create a Github account and add a comment sharing your perspective on
the proposal as well as use cases justifying why and where such an
addition would be particularly useful.
Thanks.

On 8/24/17, Moty Azrad <motiaz@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear all,



I have in Jaws sound that give me to know that I'm on the top or bottom of
any text or list messages.

May I have it on NVDA TOO?



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need to have any sound to know that i'm on top or bottom of text or list messages

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Dear all,

 

I have in Jaws sound that give me to know that I'm on the top or bottom of any text or list messages.

May I have it on NVDA TOO?

 

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Re: NVDA and Libreoffice

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Surely Jarte is Wordpad with a friendly front end?
I'd only use Jart as a simple program, incidentally, does Libra Office and Microsoft Office live together nicely?
IE could I install it and only use it when I wonted to.
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From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2017 7:04 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Libreoffice


since jarte is not compatible with unicode, i cant even open my txt,
rtf and doc files.

On 8/24/17, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
You can read docx files with JARTE but you need to install the Microsoft
Compatibility pack to do so. Also, as stated in the beleow message, you
can't save DOCX files as DOCX files if you make JARTE able to read them.

Gene
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From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 10:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Libreoffice


jarte does not support docx format.
i think that you can only save your files as rtf, but i am not sure.
moreover, unfortunately wps office is commercial, not free!

On 8/24/17, Lino Morales <linomorales001@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks sir. I'll check it out.


On 8/23/2017 10:09 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Yes Jarte is still around: http://www.jarte.com/

I haven't been paying attention so I can't tell you exactly how often
it's updated, but the current download is version 6.1.

Regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 11:55 AM, Lino Morales
<linomorales001@gmail.com <mailto:linomorales001@gmail.com>> wrote:

I was going to ask about Jarte, but didn't know if that program is
still around.


On 8/23/2017 9:30 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
I think to summarise the thread, LibreOffice tends to be updated
more often, and more features are accessible. Open Office is
still being updated. I just downloaded the latest version to
have another look at myself.

Re your user, if what they mostly need is a word processor rather
than a full office suite, Jarte is a popular stand-alone word
processor.

Another option is Google Docs and Google Sheets etc.

Yes there are potential bugs with the different office suites,
and it depends on exactly what you need to do as to which will
best suit your needs. For instance, yes the mouse bug I
mentioned in LibreOffice causes a fairly bad crash, but if you
are a user who doesn't use the mouse, then you won't encounter it.



On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Shaun Everiss
<sm.everiss@gmail.com <mailto:sm.everiss@gmail.com>> wrote:

This is serious guys I am trying to teach someone here to use
an office like program that is not expensive ms office, how
am I supposed to use it if there are issues with it that may
pop up, I havn't yet fully started with it but I am half on
the way to getting them to spend the cash on ms office which
they allready know, should I ignore libre and go back to
openoffice, wps office or something else entirely.




On 23/08/2017 11:18 p.m., Walmir Schultz via Groups.Io wrote:

So, this is one more issue in using NVDA and
LibreOffice.. together.

I've described many of them here, but don't expect them
to be solved because apparently there is no communication
between the developers of both software.



Em 22/08/2017 22:19, Quentin Christensen escreveu:

Using NVDA 2017.3 rc1 and LibreOffice Writer 5.3.4.2
I did the following:

- Opened Word 2016 (I didn't have an old Word 2003
document handy) and typed a few words, saved as Word
97 - 2003 format .doc.
- Opened LibreOffice Writer.
- Opened the document I'd saved.
- Read through document, added some text.
- Saved document, and when prompted, saved in Office
2003 format.

I did notice at that point, the NVDA seemed to lose
focus. Pressing alt twice to go into the menu and
back, or alt+tab to something else and back fixed the
issue though.

I tried again and had no problems, although I got the
lose focus thing at one point moving through the
text. I didn't find a concrete way to reproduce
that. It's annoying, but it didn't bring the system
down or anything. The focus itself was still in the
document, so I could still move around and edit, it
was just that NVDA wasn't reading properly so I
expect it wouldn't be evident with NVDA not running.
Nothing untoward in the NVDA log though. I have
noticed occasional issues with LibreOffice so not
sure if this is related to using a Word 2003 doc, or
just a general LIbreOffice thing.

On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 5:55 AM, Don H
<lmddh50@adams.net <mailto:lmddh50@adams.net>
<mailto:lmddh50@adams.net
<mailto:lmddh50@adams.net>>> wrote:

Running NVDA 2017.3 RC1 on a Win 10 system.
Just installed LibreOffice and attempted to open
and modify a MS
Office 2003 document. If I change the document
and select to save
it as the original .doc file type it crashes
LibreOffice to the
point of needing a hard reboot to clear it. Is
this a known issue
with trying to use LibreOffice with Microsoft
Office documents?
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Re: what in the world is happening with firefox and nvda

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Just looked back over quite a time.
computers were something like acer and lenovo laptops.
We, in the end I think thought that what was probably going on was that the operating systems were cloned on an OEM licence from an installed original disc which had had a Microsoft word demo removed. This did not uninstall correctly and left crucial .DLL files unregistered. the cure seemed to be to register these again.
The query recently is different as it seems like a couple of users of the latest release candidate of nvda, have found that its not working correctly with Firefox, but most of us who have tried it, can see no issue. this is one we have not resolved.
The one I had was definitely tracked down to a beta of Firefox not going into the right window for focus on loading and instead of it being on the html screen it went into the bookmark search panel instead. this of course is a totally unrelated issue.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 11:05 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] what in the world is happening with firefox and nvda


In the last roughly month, there were two similar threads as I recall. I'm not sure if this is the same problem but I believe that people in two separate threads, said that they had new computers, and had problems with NVDA and I believe, Firefox or perhaps browsers in general. If I understand what you are saying, all the computers you've tried have been the same manufacturer and perhaps the same model. I may be wrong and the previous threads may not apply but it might be very helpful if those who began the previous threads stated the problems again and what brand and model they had the problems on. I am becoming suspicious that a certain company may be using a defective copy of what is transferred onto one or more models of their machines. I don't know the technical term but, I'm sure a company puts the identical image on all the hard drives of the same model of machine. So, if something isn't there or isn't registered in the image, then every machine of that model would have the same problem.

Gene
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To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
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I have tried it on another computer but the same make and model, this
won't be the problem, I got it from ninite.com and I have the
installer from filehippo.com as well I have got rid of nvda and ff and
reinstalled no luck.

On 23/08/2017 00:23, Andre Fisher wrote:
A couple questions:

1. Did you uninstall Office recently?
2. Do you have any other screen readers besides Narraor?
3. Where did you download this version of Firefox?

The reason for asking these questions is simple, nobody is facing these
issues you are currently facing, so it’s doubtful that the developers
even know about it. You need to provide additional information to
diagnose the problem. Have you tried it on other types of systems?

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Hi, I use defender and it just works, but still having these pesky

problems when testing the RC version I sure hope they catch this before

the next version hits the masses!

On 22/08/2017 20:06, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

> I just use MSE, I don't really use anything else, it just works.

>

> Take care all.

>> On Aug 22, 2017, at 12:52 AM, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com

>> <mailto:sm.everiss@gmail.com>> wrote:

>>

>> Well to be honest I'd just reinstall windows.

>>

>> hitman is made by sophos now.

>>

>> I am still searching for a good antivirus, I'd prefur not to pay

>> expensive subscriptions for something that may or may not stay

>> accessible though.

>>

>> And if it is accessible, I want it to be msse accessible in other

>> words, I want it to fully work with either an addon or not.

>>

>> Thats the way its going to have to be.

>>

>> Msse is good access wize, but protection wize well I want something

>> that is easy to put exclusions for blind games and the like, I want

>> something I can control and configure easily and I want something

>> which performs and does not bog down the system or add extra unwanted

>> things.

>>

>> I also want to trust my security program and not have to bother withit

>> unless I need to msse does that.

>>

>> I need something with a accessible interface that uses standard

>> controls, etc.

>>

>> If it needs to be a subscription for my 3 pc network and maybe others

>> I want something low cost to.

>>

>> An entire suite will be nice I guess but its not needed.

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> On 22/08/2017 2:21 p.m., Gene wrote:

>>> Maybe files have been unregistered by the program but I'd be worried

>>> that files have been removed. Does the program quaranteen files or

>>> just remove them?

>>>

>>> Also, does the person have system restore points from before the

>>> problem started?

>>> And if files have been removed that are Windows files, not just

>>> unregistered, and if no restore points are available from before the

>>> time the problem started, is there a way to repair Windows that will

>>> restore the files? I don't know enough about repairing Windows or

>>> having Windows replace missing files to comment further.

>>>

>>> Gene

>>> ----- Original Message -----

>>>

>>> From: Tony Ballou

>>> Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 8:48 PM

>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] what in the world is happening with firefox and
nvda

>>>

>>>

>>> Hi Gene,

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> I think I know what's happened. While at my friend's house we updated

>>> her hitman pro antivirus to the latest version and all seemed to work

>>> well until I went into firefox. I'm testing the same set of

>>> scenarios on my system here at home and have gotten the exact same

>>> problems that she has. I've sent the information on to my sighted

>>> partner and between the 2 of us we should be able to straighten

>>> things out. We will also put together a piece on this and send it to

>>> the folks who make the antivirus program to let them know that this

>>> happens.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Tony

>>>

>>> On 8/21/2017 8:55 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:

>>>

>>> Hi Tony

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> I know the first email from off my website that fixed my problem

>>> but it has to be done exactly the way it was sent.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> The later one for windows 10 i was not aware of until i posted a

>>> attachments and jamie pointed me towards the comments on the others.

>>> I see they were for windows 7 and 8 and 10 and there were some

>>> patches but i think they were for 7 and 8?

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> hopefully they get it sorted. If or when it fixes it get them to

>>> save a restore point in windows.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Gene nz

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> On 22/08/2017 12:49, Tony Ballou wrote:

>>>

>>> Hey Gene,

>>>

>>>

>>> Thanks for this information mate. Because registry editing may come
into

>>> play, I explained what was happening in Firefox to my partners
earlier

>>> today. I've sent them the stuff you gave me and we will give the

>>> solutions a try. I'll keep you posted on how things workout.

>>>

>>>

>>> Tony

>>>

>>>

>>> On 8/20/2017 5:45 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:

>>> Hi Tony

>>>

>>>

>>> the link to the page where the other fixes are can be found at

>>> https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/2807#issuecomment-320149243

>>>

>>>

>>> This is what i just copied off it and there looks to be a reg patch
but

>>> think it is for windows 7 or 8.

>>>

>>>

>>> 8. On Windows 10 (both 32 and 64 bit), also enter the following
command:

>>> c:\windows\system32\regsvr32

>>> c:\windows\system32\OneCoreCommonProxyStub.dll

>>> 9. On Windows 10 64 bit, also enter the following command:

>>> c:\windows\syswow64\regsvr32

>>> c:\windows\syswow64\OneCoreCommonProxyStub.dll

>>>

>>>

>>> Gene nz

>>>

>>> On 21/08/2017 09:13, Tony Ballou wrote:

>>> Hey Gene,

>>>

>>>

>>> It has said unknown in Thunderbird yes indeed. I haven't played with

>>> edge. However, I am seeing many of those symptoms that you're
talking

>>> about in Firefox .

>>>

>>>

>>> Tony

>>>

>>>

>>> On 8/20/2017 5:05 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:

>>> Hi tony

>>>

>>>

>>> can you tell me if nvda is doing any of the following? In all
browsers

>>> is he saying unknown or will not speak the contents of the web
page? did

>>> the page fully load try the f5 key to do this or use the nvda key +
f5

>>> key and see if it plays nicely?

>>>

>>> Does he work in microsoft edge and read out the contents?

>>>

>>>

>>> Down on the running application area on the task bar does nvda
speak any

>>> of the programs there?

>>>

>>>

>>> When you hit the applications key does nvda speak any of the menus as

>>> you arrow down it?

>>>

>>>

>>> If you are running mozilla thunder bird does it say unknown as you
tab

>>> into it or try to get to messages or the menus it would be the same
for

>>> mozilla fire fox.

>>>

>>>

>>> Gene nz

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> On 21/08/2017 08:32, Tony Ballou wrote:

>>> howdy mates

>>>

>>> for some reason nVDA and firefox are having quite a time getting
along

>>> with each other now. When web pages come up you get the announcement

>>> that the page is up, however, nothing else works. Tabbing through the

>>> page for links, browse mode keystrokes, everything appears to be
shot.

>>> Does anyone know what happened, and a fix for it if there is one?
Very

>>> strange indeed. using the latest versions of both windows 10 pro and

>>> NVda.

>>>

>>> Tony

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

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>>> please visit

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>>>

>>>

>>>

>>

>>

>

>


Re: stopping the word clickable.

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The clickable issue is quite complex. I saw a discussion on this in one of the issues on github but cannot find the link, anyone?
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Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2017 2:06 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] stopping the word clickable.


Well I'd like to keep it on because you'd never know when there is something that should be clicked.

However is this nvda or windows being buggy and I would really like this repeated clickable fixed.




On 23/08/2017 6:57 p.m., Gene wrote:
How to turn off clickable was discussed later in the thread. As far as hearing it only once is concerned, you can have clickable on or off. It is some sort of bug that causes all these repetitions. Either turn it off and experiment when you can't find a way to do something but see text you think might be clickable, or turn it on when you think you might need it and off the rest of the time.
Gene
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From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 1:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] stopping the word clickable.


i agree.
i want to hear clickable only once, not multiple times.
what should i do?

On 8/23/17, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:
In win10 a lot of stuff say clickable repeatedly is there a way to turn
clickables off so I don't get clickable.

I am happy to hear it once but clickable clickable clickable clickable
clickable clickable clickable clickable clickable clickable clickable
clickable clickable clickable link really slows the user down.




On 23/08/2017 3:09 p.m., Gene wrote:
There is no connection between clickable and links. Clickable items are
items that may take an action when you press enter or click on them. They
aren't links. Changing whether clickable is announced has nothing to do
with how you move through links nor what you hear when you encounter a
link. But if you just turn clickable off, there are times when you won't
hear clickable when you need to activate a clickable object to do
something. Sometimes, you activate a clickable object to play audio.
sometimes, to bring up help information, sometimes for other reasons. It
isn't a good idea to have it off all the time.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gene New Zealand
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 7:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] stopping the word clickable.


Hi




Check under the document formatting menu in NVDA then locate the following
check box called Clickable then uncheck it.

you will not hear it said now but the letter k will take you to a link any
how




Gene nz






On 23/08/2017 12:20, ken lawrence via Groups.Io wrote:

Hi listers. ken here with a question. a user of out-of-sight just asked
how does she stop NVDA from saying the word clickable. she was on the
hadley site and she was taking a test and before she got to the first
question NVDA said clickable on several places. how does she stop the
NVDA from saying clickable over and over on a page. one member suggested
something about changing object presentation. he also said something about
turning use screen layout off which is of course the default. any
thoughts





Re: whats the best sapi5 voice for english?

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I'm not sure i'd go for a free one if you really want a good on, myself.
The problem is that the very good ones also tend to be a bit laggy. OK if you are reading books, but not much help for navigation.


What version of Windows is it for?
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----- Original Message -----
From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2017 5:14 AM
Subject: [nvda] whats the best sapi5 voice for english?


hello every one.
i want to find one free, understandable, responsive voice sapi5
version to use in my sapi5 programs.
which voice should i use and from where, can i download it?
God bless you and thanks so much for your help.

--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: NVDA and Libreoffice

 

since jarte is not compatible with unicode, i cant even open my txt,
rtf and doc files.

On 8/24/17, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
You can read docx files with JARTE but you need to install the Microsoft
Compatibility pack to do so. Also, as stated in the beleow message, you
can't save DOCX files as DOCX files if you make JARTE able to read them.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 10:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Libreoffice


jarte does not support docx format.
i think that you can only save your files as rtf, but i am not sure.
moreover, unfortunately wps office is commercial, not free!

On 8/24/17, Lino Morales <linomorales001@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks sir. I'll check it out.


On 8/23/2017 10:09 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Yes Jarte is still around: http://www.jarte.com/

I haven't been paying attention so I can't tell you exactly how often
it's updated, but the current download is version 6.1.

Regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 11:55 AM, Lino Morales
<linomorales001@gmail.com <mailto:linomorales001@gmail.com>> wrote:

I was going to ask about Jarte, but didn't know if that program is
still around.


On 8/23/2017 9:30 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
I think to summarise the thread, LibreOffice tends to be updated
more often, and more features are accessible. Open Office is
still being updated. I just downloaded the latest version to
have another look at myself.

Re your user, if what they mostly need is a word processor rather
than a full office suite, Jarte is a popular stand-alone word
processor.

Another option is Google Docs and Google Sheets etc.

Yes there are potential bugs with the different office suites,
and it depends on exactly what you need to do as to which will
best suit your needs. For instance, yes the mouse bug I
mentioned in LibreOffice causes a fairly bad crash, but if you
are a user who doesn't use the mouse, then you won't encounter it.



On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Shaun Everiss
<sm.everiss@gmail.com <mailto:sm.everiss@gmail.com>> wrote:

This is serious guys I am trying to teach someone here to use
an office like program that is not expensive ms office, how
am I supposed to use it if there are issues with it that may
pop up, I havn't yet fully started with it but I am half on
the way to getting them to spend the cash on ms office which
they allready know, should I ignore libre and go back to
openoffice, wps office or something else entirely.




On 23/08/2017 11:18 p.m., Walmir Schultz via Groups.Io wrote:

So, this is one more issue in using NVDA and
LibreOffice.. together.

I've described many of them here, but don't expect them
to be solved because apparently there is no communication
between the developers of both software.



Em 22/08/2017 22:19, Quentin Christensen escreveu:

Using NVDA 2017.3 rc1 and LibreOffice Writer 5.3.4.2
I did the following:

- Opened Word 2016 (I didn't have an old Word 2003
document handy) and typed a few words, saved as Word
97 - 2003 format .doc.
- Opened LibreOffice Writer.
- Opened the document I'd saved.
- Read through document, added some text.
- Saved document, and when prompted, saved in Office
2003 format.

I did notice at that point, the NVDA seemed to lose
focus. Pressing alt twice to go into the menu and
back, or alt+tab to something else and back fixed the
issue though.

I tried again and had no problems, although I got the
lose focus thing at one point moving through the
text. I didn't find a concrete way to reproduce
that. It's annoying, but it didn't bring the system
down or anything. The focus itself was still in the
document, so I could still move around and edit, it
was just that NVDA wasn't reading properly so I
expect it wouldn't be evident with NVDA not running.
Nothing untoward in the NVDA log though. I have
noticed occasional issues with LibreOffice so not
sure if this is related to using a Word 2003 doc, or
just a general LIbreOffice thing.

On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 5:55 AM, Don H
<lmddh50@adams.net <mailto:lmddh50@adams.net>
<mailto:lmddh50@adams.net
<mailto:lmddh50@adams.net>>> wrote:

Running NVDA 2017.3 RC1 on a Win 10 system.
Just installed LibreOffice and attempted to open
and modify a MS
Office 2003 document. If I change the document
and select to save
it as the original .doc file type it crashes
LibreOffice to the
point of needing a hard reboot to clear it. Is
this a known issue
with trying to use LibreOffice with Microsoft
Office documents?
Thanks







--
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Training and Support Manager

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E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

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Training and Support Manager

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now
available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
<http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/>;

Ph +61 7 3149 3306 <tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306>
www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>;
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
<http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess>;
Twitter: @NVAccess



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now
available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Ph +61 7 3149 3306 <tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306>
www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>;
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess

--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org



--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: whats the best sapi5 voice for english?

 

i can only use freeware programs.

On 8/24/17, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
People can answer questions about responsiveness but understandability is to
a certain extent subjective. Do you want a voice you pay for or does it
have to be free? Your answer considerably changes what is available to
you.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 11:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] whats the best sapi5 voice for english?


hello every one.
i want to find one free, understandable, responsive voice sapi5
version to use in my sapi5 programs.
which voice should i use and from where, can i download it?
God bless you and thanks so much for your help.

--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: whats the best sapi5 voice for english?

Gene
 

People can answer questions about responsiveness but understandability is to a certain extent subjective.  Do you want a voice you pay for or does it have to be free?  Your answer considerably changes what is available to you.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 11:14 PM
Subject: [nvda] whats the best sapi5 voice for english?

hello every one.
i want to find one free, understandable, responsive voice sapi5
version to use in my sapi5 programs.
which voice should i use and from where, can i download it?
God bless you and thanks so much for your help.

--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org



Re: NVDA and Libreoffice

Gene
 

You can read docx files with JARTE but you need to install the Microsoft Compatibility pack to do so.  Also, as stated in the beleow message, you can't save DOCX files as DOCX files if you make JARTE able to read them.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 10:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Libreoffice

jarte does not support docx format.
i think that you can only save your files as rtf, but i am not sure.
moreover, unfortunately wps office is commercial, not free!

On 8/24/17, Lino Morales <linomorales001@...> wrote:
> Thanks sir. I'll check it out.
>
>
> On 8/23/2017 10:09 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
>> Yes Jarte is still around: http://www.jarte.com/
>>
>> I haven't been paying attention so I can't tell you exactly how often
>> it's updated, but the current download is version 6.1.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Quentin.
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 11:55 AM, Lino Morales
>> <linomorales001@... <mailto:linomorales001@...>> wrote:
>>
>>     I was going to ask about Jarte, but didn't know if that program is
>>     still around.
>>
>>
>>     On 8/23/2017 9:30 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
>>>     I think to summarise the thread, LibreOffice tends to be updated
>>>     more often, and more features are accessible.  Open Office is
>>>     still being updated.  I just downloaded the latest version to
>>>     have another look at myself.
>>>
>>>     Re your user, if what they mostly need is a word processor rather
>>>     than a full office suite, Jarte is a popular stand-alone word
>>>     processor.
>>>
>>>     Another option is Google Docs and Google Sheets etc.
>>>
>>>     Yes there are potential bugs with the different office suites,
>>>     and it depends on exactly what you need to do as to which will
>>>     best suit your needs.  For instance, yes the mouse bug I
>>>     mentioned in LibreOffice causes a fairly bad crash, but if you
>>>     are a user who doesn't use the mouse, then you won't encounter it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Shaun Everiss
>>>     <sm.everiss@... <mailto:sm.everiss@...>> wrote:
>>>
>>>         This is serious guys I am trying to teach someone here to use
>>>         an office like program that is not expensive ms office, how
>>>         am I supposed to use it if there are issues with it that may
>>>         pop up, I havn't yet fully started with it but I am half on
>>>         the way to getting them to spend the cash on ms office which
>>>         they allready know, should I ignore libre and go back to
>>>         openoffice, wps office or something else entirely.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>         On 23/08/2017 11:18 p.m., Walmir Schultz via Groups.Io wrote:
>>>
>>>             So, this is one more issue in using NVDA and
>>>             LibreOffice.. together.
>>>
>>>             I've described many of them here, but don't expect them
>>>             to be solved because apparently there is no communication
>>>             between the developers of both software.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>             Em 22/08/2017 22:19, Quentin Christensen escreveu:
>>>
>>>                 Using NVDA 2017.3 rc1 and LibreOffice Writer 5.3.4.2
>>>                 I did the following:
>>>
>>>                 - Opened Word 2016 (I didn't have an old Word 2003
>>>                 document handy) and typed a few words, saved as Word
>>>                 97 - 2003 format .doc.
>>>                 - Opened LibreOffice Writer.
>>>                 - Opened the document I'd saved.
>>>                 - Read through document, added some text.
>>>                 - Saved document, and when prompted, saved in Office
>>>                 2003 format.
>>>
>>>                 I did notice at that point, the NVDA seemed to lose
>>>                 focus. Pressing alt twice to go into the menu and
>>>                 back, or alt+tab to something else and back fixed the
>>>                 issue though.
>>>
>>>                 I tried again and had no problems, although I got the
>>>                 lose focus thing at one point moving through the
>>>                 text.  I didn't find a concrete way to reproduce
>>>                 that.  It's annoying, but it didn't bring the system
>>>                 down or anything.  The focus itself was still in the
>>>                 document, so I could still move around and edit, it
>>>                 was just that NVDA wasn't reading properly so I
>>>                 expect it wouldn't be evident with NVDA not running.
>>>                 Nothing untoward in the NVDA log though.  I have
>>>                 noticed occasional issues with LibreOffice so not
>>>                 sure if this is related to using a Word 2003 doc, or
>>>                 just a general LIbreOffice thing.
>>>
>>>                 On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 5:55 AM, Don H
>>>                 <lmddh50@... <mailto:lmddh50@...>
>>>                 <mailto:lmddh50@...
>>>                 <mailto:lmddh50@...>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>                     Running NVDA 2017.3 RC1 on a Win 10 system.
>>>                     Just installed LibreOffice and attempted to open
>>>                 and modify a MS
>>>                     Office 2003 document.  If I change the document
>>>                 and select to save
>>>                     it as the original .doc file type it crashes
>>>                 LibreOffice to the
>>>                     point of needing a hard reboot to clear it.  Is
>>>                 this a known issue
>>>                     with trying to use LibreOffice with Microsoft
>>>                 Office documents?
>>>                     Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                 --
>>>                 Quentin Christensen
>>>                 Training and Support Manager
>>>
>>>                 Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA
>>>                 E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>>>
>>>                 Ph +61 7 3149 3306 <tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306>
>>>                 <tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306>
>>>                 <tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306>
>>>                 www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org>
>>>                 <http://www.nvaccess.org/>
>>>                 Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
>>>                 <http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess>
>>>                 Twitter: @NVAccess
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     --
>>>     Quentin Christensen
>>>     Training and Support Manager
>>>
>>>     Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now
>>>     available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>>>     <http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/>
>>>
>>>     Ph +61 7 3149 3306 <tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306>
>>>     www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>
>>>     Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
>>>     <http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess>
>>>     Twitter: @NVAccess
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Quentin Christensen
>> Training and Support Manager
>>
>> Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now
>> available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>>
>> Ph +61 7 3149 3306 <tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306>
>> www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>
>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
>> Twitter: @NVAccess
>>
>
>


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org




Re: whats the best sapi5 voice for english?

 

the microsoft core 1 voices aren't to bad

On 8/23/2017 9:14 PM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
hello every one.
i want to find one free, understandable, responsive voice sapi5
version to use in my sapi5 programs.
which voice should i use and from where, can i download it?
God bless you and thanks so much for your help.


whats the best sapi5 voice for english?

 

hello every one.
i want to find one free, understandable, responsive voice sapi5
version to use in my sapi5 programs.
which voice should i use and from where, can i download it?
God bless you and thanks so much for your help.

--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: NVDA and Libreoffice

Quentin Christensen
 

That's true, Jarte is based on WordPad so can save in txt, rtf or doc (but not docx).  Depending on your needs that may or may not be an issue.  It does say it can open docx files if you have the Office 2007 compatibility pack installed, I must admit I haven't tried lately.

WPS office is commercial, although at $30USD per year according to the website, that is considerably cheaper than Microsoft Office if it meets your needs.  I was going to say I didn't think it was accessible but thought I'd do the right thing and check again before stating that.  It's not accessible :)



On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 1:49 PM, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
jarte does not support docx format.
i think that you can only save your files as rtf, but i am not sure.
moreover, unfortunately wps office is commercial, not free!

On 8/24/17, Lino Morales <linomorales001@...> wrote:
> Thanks sir. I'll check it out.
>
>
> On 8/23/2017 10:09 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
>> Yes Jarte is still around: http://www.jarte.com/
>>
>> I haven't been paying attention so I can't tell you exactly how often
>> it's updated, but the current download is version 6.1.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Quentin.
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 11:55 AM, Lino Morales
>> <linomorales001@... <mailto:linomorales001@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     I was going to ask about Jarte, but didn't know if that program is
>>     still around.
>>
>>
>>     On 8/23/2017 9:30 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
>>>     I think to summarise the thread, LibreOffice tends to be updated
>>>     more often, and more features are accessible.  Open Office is
>>>     still being updated.  I just downloaded the latest version to
>>>     have another look at myself.
>>>
>>>     Re your user, if what they mostly need is a word processor rather
>>>     than a full office suite, Jarte is a popular stand-alone word
>>>     processor.
>>>
>>>     Another option is Google Docs and Google Sheets etc.
>>>
>>>     Yes there are potential bugs with the different office suites,
>>>     and it depends on exactly what you need to do as to which will
>>>     best suit your needs.  For instance, yes the mouse bug I
>>>     mentioned in LibreOffice causes a fairly bad crash, but if you
>>>     are a user who doesn't use the mouse, then you won't encounter it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Shaun Everiss
>>>     <sm.everiss@... <mailto:sm.everiss@...>> wrote:
>>>
>>>         This is serious guys I am trying to teach someone here to use
>>>         an office like program that is not expensive ms office, how
>>>         am I supposed to use it if there are issues with it that may
>>>         pop up, I havn't yet fully started with it but I am half on
>>>         the way to getting them to spend the cash on ms office which
>>>         they allready know, should I ignore libre and go back to
>>>         openoffice, wps office or something else entirely.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>         On 23/08/2017 11:18 p.m., Walmir Schultz via Groups.Io wrote:
>>>
>>>             So, this is one more issue in using NVDA and
>>>             LibreOffice.. together.
>>>
>>>             I've described many of them here, but don't expect them
>>>             to be solved because apparently there is no communication
>>>             between the developers of both software.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>             Em 22/08/2017 22:19, Quentin Christensen escreveu:
>>>
>>>                 Using NVDA 2017.3 rc1 and LibreOffice Writer 5.3.4.2
>>>                 I did the following:
>>>
>>>                 - Opened Word 2016 (I didn't have an old Word 2003
>>>                 document handy) and typed a few words, saved as Word
>>>                 97 - 2003 format .doc.
>>>                 - Opened LibreOffice Writer.
>>>                 - Opened the document I'd saved.
>>>                 - Read through document, added some text.
>>>                 - Saved document, and when prompted, saved in Office
>>>                 2003 format.
>>>
>>>                 I did notice at that point, the NVDA seemed to lose
>>>                 focus. Pressing alt twice to go into the menu and
>>>                 back, or alt+tab to something else and back fixed the
>>>                 issue though.
>>>
>>>                 I tried again and had no problems, although I got the
>>>                 lose focus thing at one point moving through the
>>>                 text.  I didn't find a concrete way to reproduce
>>>                 that.  It's annoying, but it didn't bring the system
>>>                 down or anything.  The focus itself was still in the
>>>                 document, so I could still move around and edit, it
>>>                 was just that NVDA wasn't reading properly so I
>>>                 expect it wouldn't be evident with NVDA not running.
>>>                 Nothing untoward in the NVDA log though.  I have
>>>                 noticed occasional issues with LibreOffice so not
>>>                 sure if this is related to using a Word 2003 doc, or
>>>                 just a general LIbreOffice thing.
>>>
>>>                 On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 5:55 AM, Don H
>>>                 <lmddh50@... <mailto:lmddh50@...>
>>>                 <mailto:lmddh50@...
>>>                 <mailto:lmddh50@...>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>                     Running NVDA 2017.3 RC1 on a Win 10 system.
>>>                     Just installed LibreOffice and attempted to open
>>>                 and modify a MS
>>>                     Office 2003 document.  If I change the document
>>>                 and select to save
>>>                     it as the original .doc file type it crashes
>>>                 LibreOffice to the
>>>                     point of needing a hard reboot to clear it.  Is
>>>                 this a known issue
>>>                     with trying to use LibreOffice with Microsoft
>>>                 Office documents?
>>>                     Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                 --
>>>                 Quentin Christensen
>>>                 Training and Support Manager
>>>
>>>                 Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA
>>>                 E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>>>
>>>                 Ph +61 7 3149 3306 <tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306>
>>>                 <tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306>
>>>                 <tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306>
>>>                 www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org>
>>>                 <http://www.nvaccess.org/>
>>>                 Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
>>>                 <http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess>
>>>                 Twitter: @NVAccess
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     --
>>>     Quentin Christensen
>>>     Training and Support Manager
>>>
>>>     Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now
>>>     available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>>>     <http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/>
>>>
>>>     Ph +61 7 3149 3306 <tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306>
>>>     www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>
>>>     Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
>>>     <http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess>
>>>     Twitter: @NVAccess
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Quentin Christensen
>> Training and Support Manager
>>
>> Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now
>> available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>>
>> Ph +61 7 3149 3306 <tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306>
>> www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>
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Re: Open Office?

 

hi.
thanks so much for your advice.
i remember that one time i downloaded offline help file for
libreoffice and installed it.
i always check extended tips, but unfortunately this help file only
explanes options, not entire menus!
whats the solution?
even microsoft does not have such a help that explanes all menus and
options, microsoft's help, only explanes only options, not entire
menus.
whats the reason that openoffice only has my desire feature?
moreover, i wish that libreoffice had help in its installation file,
freedom of choice to select which component to install, and not
complexity of its current versions.
its became very complex since version 5.1.6.
my another big concern are for openGL and openCL.
i wished that these features were optional in libreoffice.

i realy dont know what should i do with bug 108582 which i reported.
i realy cant read and understand libreoffice dialogs and messages with this bug.
i wonder that whats the reason calc is not accessible anymore?
adding new features maybe helpful for some users, but not with
inaccessibility for blind users.
openoffice yet has not this problems.
i am in doubt for selecting between openoffice and libreoffice even
after more than three years!

On 8/24/17, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:
Well you can download a help package from the libre office website and
install it which I have done.




On 24/08/2017 5:13 a.m., nasrin khaksar wrote:
hi.
openoffice is more simple, has less features, but libreoffice supports
for example: many formats like many apple formats, microsoft visio and
publisher which openoffice does not.
both programs have there advantages.
i am not completely sure about my decision.
the best feature of openoffice which i like: are ability to select
which component that we want, less size and the most important one is
its help.
i realy wished that libreoffice had the help of openoffice internally
which explanes all the options and menus of the program!

On 8/23/17, V Stuart Foote <vstuart.foote@utsa.edu> wrote:
No secret I prefer the pace of LibreOffice development, but Apache
OpenOffice is not dead, just glacial.

Developers and QA participants have drifted away but still a solid
offering.

In fact Apache OpenOffice project is wrapping up builds of the 4.1.4
branch
with Release Candidate 2 (rc2) just posted:

https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openoffice/4.1.4-RC2/binaries/ (
https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openoffice/4.1.4-RC2/binaries/ )

The 4.1.3 build was released October 12, 2016 and is available here:

https://www.openoffice.org/download/index.html (
https://www.openoffice.org/download/index.html )

Stuart



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al-islam.org


Re: Skype for Business notifications in latest snapshot

 

hello.
skype for business support is added to nvda 2017.3 and if i am
correct, developers of nvda added appModule to it for supporting it
better.
i followed github and realized that supporting usual skype and skype
for business are different.

On 8/24/17, Jacques Stassen <j@stascom.co.za> wrote:
Hi All



I was excited to see that notifications in Skype for Business was added as
a
new feature since a few snapshots ago. I use this application on a daily
basis in my work, but do not currently find that NVDA automatically reports
any of the notifications. Below is quoted from the What's new section:



. NVDA now automatically reports notifications in Skype for Business
Desktop, such as when someone starts a conversation with you. (#7281)



Quentin, if you or anyone else using this application, can confirm what
exactly can be expected from this new feature, as well as perhaps Skype for
Business specific settings that should be changed in order to get this to
work, I'll really appreciate it. Getting IM's and other relevant info
automatically reported will really make my life a lot easier. Below the
specs for the system in question:



* Dell Latitude 5550
* Windows 10 Enterprise, 64 bit
* Skype for Business 2016
* NVDA version: next-14331,f30dd972



Thanks in advance.



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Re: NVDA and Libreoffice

 

jarte does not support docx format.
i think that you can only save your files as rtf, but i am not sure.
moreover, unfortunately wps office is commercial, not free!

On 8/24/17, Lino Morales <linomorales001@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks sir. I'll check it out.


On 8/23/2017 10:09 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Yes Jarte is still around: http://www.jarte.com/

I haven't been paying attention so I can't tell you exactly how often
it's updated, but the current download is version 6.1.

Regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 11:55 AM, Lino Morales
<linomorales001@gmail.com <mailto:linomorales001@gmail.com>> wrote:

I was going to ask about Jarte, but didn't know if that program is
still around.


On 8/23/2017 9:30 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
I think to summarise the thread, LibreOffice tends to be updated
more often, and more features are accessible.  Open Office is
still being updated.  I just downloaded the latest version to
have another look at myself.

Re your user, if what they mostly need is a word processor rather
than a full office suite, Jarte is a popular stand-alone word
processor.

Another option is Google Docs and Google Sheets etc.

Yes there are potential bugs with the different office suites,
and it depends on exactly what you need to do as to which will
best suit your needs.  For instance, yes the mouse bug I
mentioned in LibreOffice causes a fairly bad crash, but if you
are a user who doesn't use the mouse, then you won't encounter it.



On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Shaun Everiss
<sm.everiss@gmail.com <mailto:sm.everiss@gmail.com>> wrote:

This is serious guys I am trying to teach someone here to use
an office like program that is not expensive ms office, how
am I supposed to use it if there are issues with it that may
pop up, I havn't yet fully started with it but I am half on
the way to getting them to spend the cash on ms office which
they allready know, should I ignore libre and go back to
openoffice, wps office or something else entirely.




On 23/08/2017 11:18 p.m., Walmir Schultz via Groups.Io wrote:

So, this is one more issue in using NVDA and
LibreOffice.. together.

I've described many of them here, but don't expect them
to be solved because apparently there is no communication
between the developers of both software.



Em 22/08/2017 22:19, Quentin Christensen escreveu:

Using NVDA 2017.3 rc1 and LibreOffice Writer 5.3.4.2
I did the following:

- Opened Word 2016 (I didn't have an old Word 2003
document handy) and typed a few words, saved as Word
97 - 2003 format .doc.
- Opened LibreOffice Writer.
- Opened the document I'd saved.
- Read through document, added some text.
- Saved document, and when prompted, saved in Office
2003 format.

I did notice at that point, the NVDA seemed to lose
focus. Pressing alt twice to go into the menu and
back, or alt+tab to something else and back fixed the
issue though.

I tried again and had no problems, although I got the
lose focus thing at one point moving through the
text.  I didn't find a concrete way to reproduce
that.  It's annoying, but it didn't bring the system
down or anything.  The focus itself was still in the
document, so I could still move around and edit, it
was just that NVDA wasn't reading properly so I
expect it wouldn't be evident with NVDA not running.
Nothing untoward in the NVDA log though.  I have
noticed occasional issues with LibreOffice so not
sure if this is related to using a Word 2003 doc, or
just a general LIbreOffice thing.

On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 5:55 AM, Don H
<lmddh50@adams.net <mailto:lmddh50@adams.net>
<mailto:lmddh50@adams.net
<mailto:lmddh50@adams.net>>> wrote:

    Running NVDA 2017.3 RC1 on a Win 10 system.
    Just installed LibreOffice and attempted to open
and modify a MS
    Office 2003 document.  If I change the document
and select to save
    it as the original .doc file type it crashes
LibreOffice to the
    point of needing a hard reboot to clear it.  Is
this a known issue
    with trying to use LibreOffice with Microsoft
Office documents?
    Thanks







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Training and Support Manager

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available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Ph +61 7 3149 3306 <tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306>
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Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
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in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: NVDA and Libreoffice

Lino Morales
 

Thanks sir. I'll check it out.


On 8/23/2017 10:09 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Yes Jarte is still around: http://www.jarte.com/

I haven't been paying attention so I can't tell you exactly how often it's updated, but the current download is version 6.1.

Regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 11:55 AM, Lino Morales <linomorales001@...> wrote:

I was going to ask about Jarte, but didn't know if that program is still around.


On 8/23/2017 9:30 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
I think to summarise the thread, LibreOffice tends to be updated more often, and more features are accessible.  Open Office is still being updated.  I just downloaded the latest version to have another look at myself.

Re your user, if what they mostly need is a word processor rather than a full office suite, Jarte is a popular stand-alone word processor.

Another option is Google Docs and Google Sheets etc.

Yes there are potential bugs with the different office suites, and it depends on exactly what you need to do as to which will best suit your needs.  For instance, yes the mouse bug I mentioned in LibreOffice causes a fairly bad crash, but if you are a user who doesn't use the mouse, then you won't encounter it.



On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:
This is serious guys I am trying to teach someone here to use an office like program that is not expensive ms office, how am I supposed to use it if there are issues with it that may pop up, I havn't yet fully started with it but I am half on the way to getting them to spend the cash on ms office which they allready know, should I ignore libre and go back to openoffice, wps office or something else entirely.




On 23/08/2017 11:18 p.m., Walmir Schultz via Groups.Io wrote:
So, this is one more issue in using NVDA and LibreOffice.. together.

I've described many of them here, but don't expect them to be solved because apparently there is no communication between the developers of both software.



Em 22/08/2017 22:19, Quentin Christensen escreveu:
Using NVDA 2017.3 rc1 and LibreOffice Writer 5.3.4.2 I did the following:

- Opened Word 2016 (I didn't have an old Word 2003 document handy) and typed a few words, saved as Word 97 - 2003 format .doc.
- Opened LibreOffice Writer.
- Opened the document I'd saved.
- Read through document, added some text.
- Saved document, and when prompted, saved in Office 2003 format.

I did notice at that point, the NVDA seemed to lose focus. Pressing alt twice to go into the menu and back, or alt+tab to something else and back fixed the issue though.

I tried again and had no problems, although I got the lose focus thing at one point moving through the text.  I didn't find a concrete way to reproduce that.  It's annoying, but it didn't bring the system down or anything.  The focus itself was still in the document, so I could still move around and edit, it was just that NVDA wasn't reading properly so I expect it wouldn't be evident with NVDA not running.  Nothing untoward in the NVDA log though.  I have noticed occasional issues with LibreOffice so not sure if this is related to using a Word 2003 doc, or just a general LIbreOffice thing.

On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 5:55 AM, Don H <lmddh50@... <mailto:lmddh50@...>> wrote:

    Running NVDA 2017.3 RC1 on a Win 10 system.
    Just installed LibreOffice and attempted to open and modify a MS
    Office 2003 document.  If I change the document and select to save
    it as the original .doc file type it crashes LibreOffice to the
    point of needing a hard reboot to clear it.  Is this a known issue
    with trying to use LibreOffice with Microsoft Office documents?
    Thanks







--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Ph +61 7 3149 3306 <tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306>
www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess










--
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Training and Support Manager

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 





--
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Training and Support Manager

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 



Re: NVDA and Libreoffice

Quentin Christensen
 

Yes Jarte is still around: http://www.jarte.com/

I haven't been paying attention so I can't tell you exactly how often it's updated, but the current download is version 6.1.

Regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 11:55 AM, Lino Morales <linomorales001@...> wrote:

I was going to ask about Jarte, but didn't know if that program is still around.


On 8/23/2017 9:30 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
I think to summarise the thread, LibreOffice tends to be updated more often, and more features are accessible.  Open Office is still being updated.  I just downloaded the latest version to have another look at myself.

Re your user, if what they mostly need is a word processor rather than a full office suite, Jarte is a popular stand-alone word processor.

Another option is Google Docs and Google Sheets etc.

Yes there are potential bugs with the different office suites, and it depends on exactly what you need to do as to which will best suit your needs.  For instance, yes the mouse bug I mentioned in LibreOffice causes a fairly bad crash, but if you are a user who doesn't use the mouse, then you won't encounter it.



On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:
This is serious guys I am trying to teach someone here to use an office like program that is not expensive ms office, how am I supposed to use it if there are issues with it that may pop up, I havn't yet fully started with it but I am half on the way to getting them to spend the cash on ms office which they allready know, should I ignore libre and go back to openoffice, wps office or something else entirely.




On 23/08/2017 11:18 p.m., Walmir Schultz via Groups.Io wrote:
So, this is one more issue in using NVDA and LibreOffice.. together.

I've described many of them here, but don't expect them to be solved because apparently there is no communication between the developers of both software.



Em 22/08/2017 22:19, Quentin Christensen escreveu:
Using NVDA 2017.3 rc1 and LibreOffice Writer 5.3.4.2 I did the following:

- Opened Word 2016 (I didn't have an old Word 2003 document handy) and typed a few words, saved as Word 97 - 2003 format .doc.
- Opened LibreOffice Writer.
- Opened the document I'd saved.
- Read through document, added some text.
- Saved document, and when prompted, saved in Office 2003 format.

I did notice at that point, the NVDA seemed to lose focus. Pressing alt twice to go into the menu and back, or alt+tab to something else and back fixed the issue though.

I tried again and had no problems, although I got the lose focus thing at one point moving through the text.  I didn't find a concrete way to reproduce that.  It's annoying, but it didn't bring the system down or anything.  The focus itself was still in the document, so I could still move around and edit, it was just that NVDA wasn't reading properly so I expect it wouldn't be evident with NVDA not running.  Nothing untoward in the NVDA log though.  I have noticed occasional issues with LibreOffice so not sure if this is related to using a Word 2003 doc, or just a general LIbreOffice thing.

On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 5:55 AM, Don H <lmddh50@... <mailto:lmddh50@...>> wrote:

    Running NVDA 2017.3 RC1 on a Win 10 system.
    Just installed LibreOffice and attempted to open and modify a MS
    Office 2003 document.  If I change the document and select to save
    it as the original .doc file type it crashes LibreOffice to the
    point of needing a hard reboot to clear it.  Is this a known issue
    with trying to use LibreOffice with Microsoft Office documents?
    Thanks







--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Ph +61 7 3149 3306 <tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306>
www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess










--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 





--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: NVDA and Libreoffice

Lino Morales
 

I was going to ask about Jarte, but didn't know if that program is still around.


On 8/23/2017 9:30 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
I think to summarise the thread, LibreOffice tends to be updated more often, and more features are accessible.  Open Office is still being updated.  I just downloaded the latest version to have another look at myself.

Re your user, if what they mostly need is a word processor rather than a full office suite, Jarte is a popular stand-alone word processor.

Another option is Google Docs and Google Sheets etc.

Yes there are potential bugs with the different office suites, and it depends on exactly what you need to do as to which will best suit your needs.  For instance, yes the mouse bug I mentioned in LibreOffice causes a fairly bad crash, but if you are a user who doesn't use the mouse, then you won't encounter it.



On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:
This is serious guys I am trying to teach someone here to use an office like program that is not expensive ms office, how am I supposed to use it if there are issues with it that may pop up, I havn't yet fully started with it but I am half on the way to getting them to spend the cash on ms office which they allready know, should I ignore libre and go back to openoffice, wps office or something else entirely.




On 23/08/2017 11:18 p.m., Walmir Schultz via Groups.Io wrote:
So, this is one more issue in using NVDA and LibreOffice.. together.

I've described many of them here, but don't expect them to be solved because apparently there is no communication between the developers of both software.



Em 22/08/2017 22:19, Quentin Christensen escreveu:
Using NVDA 2017.3 rc1 and LibreOffice Writer 5.3.4.2 I did the following:

- Opened Word 2016 (I didn't have an old Word 2003 document handy) and typed a few words, saved as Word 97 - 2003 format .doc.
- Opened LibreOffice Writer.
- Opened the document I'd saved.
- Read through document, added some text.
- Saved document, and when prompted, saved in Office 2003 format.

I did notice at that point, the NVDA seemed to lose focus. Pressing alt twice to go into the menu and back, or alt+tab to something else and back fixed the issue though.

I tried again and had no problems, although I got the lose focus thing at one point moving through the text.  I didn't find a concrete way to reproduce that.  It's annoying, but it didn't bring the system down or anything.  The focus itself was still in the document, so I could still move around and edit, it was just that NVDA wasn't reading properly so I expect it wouldn't be evident with NVDA not running.  Nothing untoward in the NVDA log though.  I have noticed occasional issues with LibreOffice so not sure if this is related to using a Word 2003 doc, or just a general LIbreOffice thing.

On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 5:55 AM, Don H <lmddh50@... <mailto:lmddh50@...>> wrote:

    Running NVDA 2017.3 RC1 on a Win 10 system.
    Just installed LibreOffice and attempted to open and modify a MS
    Office 2003 document.  If I change the document and select to save
    it as the original .doc file type it crashes LibreOffice to the
    point of needing a hard reboot to clear it.  Is this a known issue
    with trying to use LibreOffice with Microsoft Office documents?
    Thanks







--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Ph +61 7 3149 3306 <tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306>
www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess










--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess