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Re: Request for comments: an outline of a complete course on NVDAinternals and code contributions

Scott VanDeWalle
 

Hello Joseph.

How do I get on that group or in that class?  I’d be interested in giving programming another shot.  Smile. 

Thank you much.\

 

Scott\

 

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From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2017 7:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Request for comments: an outline of a complete course on NVDAinternals and code contributions

 

Hi everyone,

 

Those of you on the users list may have heard about a subgroup over there that aims to teach people how to contribute code to NVDA. After going over some membership intros and looking at skill sets represented, I came up with a rough outline or a six to twelve month course on NVDA code contributions and internals. Obviously most of the course content will require working knowledge of Python, but for those who lack this, I’ve included a one unit outline on Python.

 

Outline:

 

  • Title: So you want to improve NVDA with code contributions?
  • Instructor: one or more NVDA experts and developers, along with several Python users as tutors
  • Purpose: the overall purpose of this course is to equip new developers with knowledge required to provide code contributions to NVDA project. Topics covered include a short review of Python, running NVDA from source code, source code layout and overall architecture, behind the scenes tour of features and commands, as well as things required when contributing code such as identifying, designing, coding, debugging, testing, submitting, maintaining, and explaining new features, changes and bug fixes.
  • Goals: have a working knowledge of Python so students can use it in NVDA and other projects; learn the overall purpose and architecture of NVDA; have knowledge of workings of features and commands through reading, understanding and writing source code; learn tips for becoming successful NVDA code contributors who serves the community and improves NVDA; develop critical problem solving and thinking skills required in today’s software engineering projects including that of NVDA.

 

Course outline:

 

Unit 0: Review of Python

  1. Python is a general-purpose programming language
  2. Downloading and using Python
  3. Explain variables, how to import useful modules, conditionals and loops
  4. Learn how to define functions.
  5. Design classes and objects
  6. Learn to interact with lists, dictionaries, sets, tuples and other objects of interest
  7. Use modules and objects provided by Python to solve various problems
  8. Exercise: random walk on a treadmill
  9. Expected duration: four to six months

 

Skills test and preview 0: come up with solutions to two other problems via Python, write a design for an add-on, or write about how a student would solve an NVDA issue on GitHub.

 

Unit 1: Basics and the big picture

  1. What screen readers are and are not
  2. A portrait of operations of a screen reader
  3. A brief history of NVDA
  4. Obtaining NVDA source code
  5. Compiling NVDA’s source code with dependencies
  6. Running NVDA from source for the first time
  7. Example of code contribution: command to restart NVDA with no prompts
  8. Expected duration: one month

 

Skills test and preview 1: explain in your own words how you would teach your friend to download NVDA source code.

 

Unit 2: NVDA at a glance

  1. Features overview
  2. Source code layout
  3. Overall architecture
  4. Importance of objects, events, and modules
  5. Extensibility through classes
  6. Why accessibility API’s matter
  7. Exercise: what is the code responsible for announcing speech via beeps?
  8. Example of code contribution: Popping up browse mode window for some NVDA messages
  9. Expected duration: two months

 

Skills test and preview 2: in your own words, describe ui.message function.

 

Unit 3: feature and command internals 1

  1. Global commands
  2. Focus, caret, system cursor
  3. Object navigation, properties, developer information and object hierarchy
  4. Accessibility API’s
  5. Review cursor and text infos
  6. Keyboard, mouse, and touchscreen
  7. Basics of browse mode
  8. Exercise: explain how NvDA+T command works to a new user
  9. Example of code contribution: indentation announcement by tones
  10. Expected duration: two to three months

 

Skills test and preview 3: in your own words, describe either one property of a navigator object or how a first letter navigation command works in browse mode.

 

Unit 4: Feature and command internals 2

  1. App modules, global plugins and add-ons
  2. Speech, braille, and tones
  3. Synthesizers and braille displays
  4. Math presentation layer and content recognition framework
  5. NVDA dialogs, configuration management, and managing add-ons
  6. Exercise: track down bugs in speech synthesizers
  7. Example of code contribution: Unicode braille output
  8. Expected duration: two months

 

Skills test and preview 4: in your own words, define what a speech synthesizer driver is.

 

Unit 5: Code contributions

  1. Identifying issues and suggestions
  2. Designing a problem and its solution(s)
  3. Coding a solution
  4. Debugging and testing solutions
  5. Effective use of log viewer and Python Console
  6. Submitting, maintaining, and explaining a feature, a change, or a bug fix
  7. Exercise: not all warnings from the log are fatal
  8. Example of code contribution: tab completion in Python Console
  9. Expected duration: two to three months

 

Skills test and preview 5: write a solution for a minor issue on GitHub or a small add-on that uses any concept from previous units.

 

Unit 6: Beyond code contributions

  1. Translations
  2. Documentation
  3. Keep in touch with users and others in the community
  4. Researching new ideas alone or in groups
  5. Working on collaborative projects
  6. Apply skills from NVDA to other projects
  7. Exercise: write an article explaining inner workings of a community add-on
  8. Example of code contribution: Liblouis project
  9. Expected duration: one month

 

Unit 7 (advanced): thinking outside of NVDA

  1. Windows API
  2. Python libraries
  3. Dependency checks
  4. Using Component Object Model
  5. Using advanced features of accessibility API’s
  6. Adding new math presentation layers and content recognition frameworks
  7. Troubleshooting braille input and output
  8. Engaging with the wider python and programming communities
  9. Ethical issues in code contributions
  10. Things to think about when leading or working on an international software project

 

Final skills test:

  1. From a set of problems dealing with Python, write solutions for two and provide an explanation for one of them.
  2. Write an NVDA add-on that utilizes at least two concepts described in one or more units.
  3. For a major NVDA GitHub issue, identify, design, code, debug, test, submit, maintain, and explain a solution.

 

I expect the minimum time to complete this course would be six months (excluding Python intros and advanced topics), with most people taking up to a year to master the concepts above and become comfortable while providing basic code contributions. The Python version to be employed will be a mixture of 2.7 and 3.6.

 

Comments are appreciated.

Cheers,

Joseph

 


Re: what in the world is happening with firefox and nvda

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi Tony


the link to the page where the other fixes are can be found at
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/2807#issuecomment-320149243


This is what i just copied off it and there looks to be a reg patch but
think it is for windows 7 or 8.


8. On Windows 10 (both 32 and 64 bit), also enter the following command:
c:\windows\system32\regsvr32 c:\windows\system32\OneCoreCommonProxyStub.dll
9. On Windows 10 64 bit, also enter the following command:
c:\windows\syswow64\regsvr32 c:\windows\syswow64\OneCoreCommonProxyStub.dll


Gene nz

On 21/08/2017 09:13, Tony Ballou wrote:
Hey Gene,


It has said unknown in Thunderbird yes indeed. I haven't played with
edge. However, I am seeing many of those symptoms that you're talking
about in Firefox .


Tony


On 8/20/2017 5:05 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:
Hi tony


can you tell me if nvda is doing any of the following? In all browsers
is he saying unknown or will not speak the contents of the web page? did
the page fully load try the f5 key to do this or use the nvda key + f5
key and see if it plays nicely?

Does he work in microsoft edge and read out the contents?


Down on the running application area on the task bar does nvda speak any
of the programs there?


When you hit the applications key does nvda speak any of the menus as
you arrow down it?


If you are running mozilla thunder bird does it say unknown as you tab
into it or try to get to messages or the menus it would be the same for
mozilla fire fox.


Gene nz



On 21/08/2017 08:32, Tony Ballou wrote:
howdy mates

for some reason nVDA and firefox are having quite a time getting along
with each other now. When web pages come up you get the announcement
that the page is up, however, nothing else works. Tabbing through the
page for links, browse mode keystrokes, everything appears to be shot.
Does anyone know what happened, and a fix for it if there is one? Very
strange indeed. using the latest versions of both windows 10 pro and NVda.

Tony






Re: what in the world is happening with firefox and nvda

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi Tony


I will copy and paste what fixed mine off my website. You might need
sighted assistance? but I see also now for the same bug there is or
maybe fixes for other versions of windows.


But before you go to see if it fixes the problem can you do the
following first?


Under the general settings in nvda set the log level to debug. Save your
settings.


restart nvda so it is a fresh copy go into the areas where you are
having the problems nvda will record your steps like in your browser
thunder bird etc.


Then save the log to your desktop it can be found under the tools then
view log section. press the alt key then go to save log and save it to
your desk top or some where easy to find it.


Below will be what fixed mine on my windows 10 machine and also on a
ladies one.


I will also find the page with other fixes maybe the same or different.




Troubleshooting - NVDA says “unknown” or “pane” in all of your browsers,
Mozilla Thunderbird email client and other places
If for some reason you have problems with NVDA saying “unknown” or
“pane” check for the following symptoms:

In all of your browsers, or the Mozilla Thunderbird email client, no
matter what you do, you still hear “unknown” or “pane”.

In the browser, email client and other menus you notice you cannot get
into your menus, or you are unable to use the quick navigation keys

When you have been told the page is loaded and notice strange behaviour

Mozilla Thunderbird saying unknown while you try to navigate it

Your applications key does not work with it being spoken out and other
strange behaviour in Windows

The running applications icons are not being spoken out
It might be a good idea to do the following:
Please note: If you are hearing “unknown” or “pane” (as discussed above)
NVDA might seem like it is still working properly but it may not be
completely in Windows and other programmes.
You could try the following solution which will allow you to re-register
your dll files in case they are causing the problem.
Press the Windows key then type the following into the search box. Type
in “command prompt”. Once you have located command prompt, in the search
results, press the Applications key to bring up the context menu. Arrow
down to select “run as administrator” and press the Enter key. This will
take you to a command prompt window. This will not be spoken out. You
may need sighted assistance for this.
Type in the following command
for %x in (c:\windows\system32\*.dll) do regsvr32 /s %x
This should re-register all components in the system32 folder.
When it is finished, you can close the command prompt window with the
Alt + F4 key. You should notice now where NVDA was saying “unknown” as
in some examples given, NVDA should now read the icons in the running
applications area of Windows, speak the content of the webpage and
menus, and also in Mozilla Thunderbird and other places in Windows
including the Windows applications context menu.



Gene nz

On 21/08/2017 09:13, Tony Ballou wrote:
Hey Gene,


It has said unknown in Thunderbird yes indeed. I haven't played with
edge. However, I am seeing many of those symptoms that you're talking
about in Firefox .


Tony


On 8/20/2017 5:05 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:
Hi tony


can you tell me if nvda is doing any of the following? In all browsers
is he saying unknown or will not speak the contents of the web page? did
the page fully load try the f5 key to do this or use the nvda key + f5
key and see if it plays nicely?

Does he work in microsoft edge and read out the contents?


Down on the running application area on the task bar does nvda speak any
of the programs there?


When you hit the applications key does nvda speak any of the menus as
you arrow down it?


If you are running mozilla thunder bird does it say unknown as you tab
into it or try to get to messages or the menus it would be the same for
mozilla fire fox.


Gene nz



On 21/08/2017 08:32, Tony Ballou wrote:
howdy mates

for some reason nVDA and firefox are having quite a time getting along
with each other now. When web pages come up you get the announcement
that the page is up, however, nothing else works. Tabbing through the
page for links, browse mode keystrokes, everything appears to be shot.
Does anyone know what happened, and a fix for it if there is one? Very
strange indeed. using the latest versions of both windows 10 pro and NVda.

Tony






Re: what in the world is happening with firefox and nvda

Tony Ballou
 

Hey Gene,


It has said unknown in Thunderbird yes indeed. I haven't played with
edge.  However, I am seeing many of those symptoms that you're talking
about in Firefox .


Tony

On 8/20/2017 5:05 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:
Hi tony


can you tell me if nvda is doing any of the following? In all browsers
is he saying unknown or will not speak the contents of the web page? did
the page fully load try the f5 key to do this or use the nvda key + f5
key and see if it plays nicely?

Does he work in microsoft edge and read out the contents?


Down on the running application area on the task bar does nvda speak any
of the programs there?


When you hit the applications key does nvda speak any of the menus as
you arrow down it?


If you are running mozilla thunder bird does it say unknown as you tab
into it or try to get to messages or the menus it would be the same for
mozilla fire fox.


Gene nz



On 21/08/2017 08:32, Tony Ballou wrote:
howdy mates

for some reason nVDA and firefox are having quite a time getting along
with each other now. When web pages come up you get the announcement
that the page is up, however, nothing else works. Tabbing through the
page for links, browse mode keystrokes, everything appears to be shot.
Does anyone know what happened, and a fix for it if there is one? Very
strange indeed. using the latest versions of both windows 10 pro and NVda.

Tony





Re: what in the world is happening with firefox and nvda

Tony Ballou
 

Hi Jake,


Working with the exact same stuff.  Firefox up until now has always behaved.


Tony

On 8/20/2017 4:58 PM, Jacob Kruger wrote:
What version of firefox are you using?


Ask since been doing quite a lot with firefox 55.0.2 here, with no
issues with NVDA, and, also under windows 10 creators 64 bit, etc.?


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2017/08/20 22:32, Tony Ballou wrote:
howdy mates

for some reason nVDA and firefox are having quite a time getting along
with each other now.  When web pages come up you get the announcement
that the page is up, however, nothing else works. Tabbing through the
page for links, browse mode keystrokes, everything appears to be shot.
Does anyone know what happened, and a fix for it if there is one?  Very
strange indeed.  using the latest versions of both windows 10 pro and
NVda.

Tony






Re: what in the world is happening with firefox and nvda

Kevin Cussick
 

I got this to day as well using nvda rc latest, windows10 home 64 bit. the thing is it was a feed but it crashes or at least nvda just did not seem to work a tall! I did manage to shut ff down but that was it the address is this https://www.nvaccess.org/feed/ maybe someone else can try this using ff and nvda and if it is broke I hope to get a fix soon with thanks as always.

On 20/08/2017 21:32, Tony Ballou wrote:
howdy mates
for some reason nVDA and firefox are having quite a time getting along
with each other now.  When web pages come up you get the announcement
that the page is up, however, nothing else works. Tabbing through the
page for links, browse mode keystrokes, everything appears to be shot.
Does anyone know what happened, and a fix for it if there is one?  Very
strange indeed.  using the latest versions of both windows 10 pro and NVda.
Tony


Re: what in the world is happening with firefox and nvda

Tony Ballou
 

Hi folks,


Got it working on my laptop just fine, that worked.  My friends desktop
however is still being ornery though. When I hit the insert key on the
numeric pad, it say no such heading, checkbox, or other browse mode
elements, and the insert f7 keystroke fails to bring up the elements
list. what could have scrambled this programs eggs?


Tony

On 8/20/2017 4:49 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

Make full screen mode is off by pressing F11.


On 8/20/2017 4:32 PM, Tony Ballou wrote:
howdy mates

for some reason nVDA and firefox are having quite a time getting along
with each other now.  When web pages come up you get the announcement
that the page is up, however, nothing else works. Tabbing through the
page for links, browse mode keystrokes, everything appears to be shot.
Does anyone know what happened, and a fix for it if there is one?  Very
strange indeed.  using the latest versions of both windows 10 pro and
NVda.

Tony






Re: what in the world is happening with firefox and nvda

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi tony


can you tell me if nvda is doing any of the following? In all browsers
is he saying unknown or will not speak the contents of the web page? did
the page fully load try the f5 key to do this or use the nvda key + f5
key and see if it plays nicely?

Does he work in microsoft edge and read out the contents?


Down on the running application area on the task bar does nvda speak any
of the programs there?


When you hit the applications key does nvda speak any of the menus as
you arrow down it?


If you are running mozilla thunder bird does it say unknown as you tab
into it or try to get to messages or the menus it would be the same for
mozilla fire fox.


Gene nz

On 21/08/2017 08:32, Tony Ballou wrote:
howdy mates

for some reason nVDA and firefox are having quite a time getting along
with each other now. When web pages come up you get the announcement
that the page is up, however, nothing else works. Tabbing through the
page for links, browse mode keystrokes, everything appears to be shot.
Does anyone know what happened, and a fix for it if there is one? Very
strange indeed. using the latest versions of both windows 10 pro and NVda.

Tony




Re: what in the world is happening with firefox and nvda

Jacob Kruger
 

What version of firefox are you using?


Ask since been doing quite a lot with firefox 55.0.2 here, with no issues with NVDA, and, also under windows 10 creators 64 bit, etc.?


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2017/08/20 22:32, Tony Ballou wrote:
howdy mates

for some reason nVDA and firefox are having quite a time getting along
with each other now. When web pages come up you get the announcement
that the page is up, however, nothing else works. Tabbing through the
page for links, browse mode keystrokes, everything appears to be shot.
Does anyone know what happened, and a fix for it if there is one? Very
strange indeed. using the latest versions of both windows 10 pro and NVda.

Tony



Re: question

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


under the keyboard settings is the extended insert key checked? Here I have all 3 checked. I just tried it with the extended insert key with the others ctrl key + either up or down to ajust the volume

It worked nicely a little bit different but could be done with the one hand.


I guess i am just use to using 2 hands to do the same job.


by the way is your keyboard a full qwerty keyboard? I have seen machines that might have 2 insert keys or 2 extended insert keys but do not know what the second key is for unless it does the same job.The extended insert key on my qwerty keyboard is the zero key. maybe you are pressing the wrong one? or do you have it marked?


Gene nz

.


On 20/08/2017 20:17, anthony borg wrote:

Hi gene

I am aware that I have to press it twice, but the problem is that it doesn’t announce on or off, it just peeps.

If there is a way of how to do it announcing it,

Can you please explain to me how to do it?

Thanks in advance

Anthony

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: 20 August 2017 01:55
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] question

 

Hi

 

You are probably aware that if the caps lock key is selected as a modifier key it has to be hit 2 times to turn caps lock on and two for off..

 

if it is selected as the modifier key then it would be that key and say the letter N to get into the preferences of nvda.

 

here unless i am writing some thing unless it is more than a letter i just use the shift key for just one letter and if i want all of them capitalized I might then put that key on to do it then turn it off.

 

Gene nz

 

 

On 20/08/2017 00:38, anthony borg wrote:

Hi list

Can someone help me to figure out this problem please?

On my laptop I use the sticky keys to be able to use the keyboard with one hand, but since I started to use the n v d a, I am meeting this problem. ?

Since I started to use the capslock as n v d a, now I can’t use it to write a capital letter, as usual, if any n v d a programmer can help me to solve this problem I would appreciate it very much.

Thanks in advance

Anthony

 



Re: what in the world is happening with firefox and nvda

 

Perhaps it has something to do with the 32bit and 64 bit versions of firefox but i'm not sure

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On Aug 21, 2017, at 4:51 AM, Chris <chrismedley@...> wrote:

What exactly is happening ?

Have you tried another browser?

What version of firefox?

what steps have tou taken so far?

 

 

From: Tony Ballou
Sent: 20 August 2017 21:32
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] what in the world is happening with firefox and nvda

 

howdy mates

 

for some reason nVDA and firefox are having quite a time getting along

with each other now.  When web pages come up you get the announcement

that the page is up, however, nothing else works. Tabbing through the

page for links, browse mode keystrokes, everything appears to be shot. 

Does anyone know what happened, and a fix for it if there is one?  Very

strange indeed.  using the latest versions of both windows 10 pro and NVda.

 

Tony

 

 

 

 


Re: what in the world is happening with firefox and nvda

Chris
 

What exactly is happening ?

Have you tried another browser?

What version of firefox?

what steps have tou taken so far?

 

 

From: Tony Ballou
Sent: 20 August 2017 21:32
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] what in the world is happening with firefox and nvda

 

howdy mates

 

for some reason nVDA and firefox are having quite a time getting along

with each other now.  When web pages come up you get the announcement

that the page is up, however, nothing else works. Tabbing through the

page for links, browse mode keystrokes, everything appears to be shot. 

Does anyone know what happened, and a fix for it if there is one?  Very

strange indeed.  using the latest versions of both windows 10 pro and NVda.

 

Tony

 

 

 

 


Re: what in the world is happening with firefox and nvda

Lino Morales
 

Make full screen mode is off by pressing F11.

On 8/20/2017 4:32 PM, Tony Ballou wrote:
howdy mates

for some reason nVDA and firefox are having quite a time getting along
with each other now.  When web pages come up you get the announcement
that the page is up, however, nothing else works. Tabbing through the
page for links, browse mode keystrokes, everything appears to be shot.
Does anyone know what happened, and a fix for it if there is one?  Very
strange indeed.  using the latest versions of both windows 10 pro and NVda.

Tony



Re: what in the world is happening with firefox and nvda

Marco Oros
 

Have You reopen Firefox?


what in the world is happening with firefox and nvda

Tony Ballou
 

howdy mates

for some reason nVDA and firefox are having quite a time getting along
with each other now.  When web pages come up you get the announcement
that the page is up, however, nothing else works. Tabbing through the
page for links, browse mode keystrokes, everything appears to be shot. 
Does anyone know what happened, and a fix for it if there is one?  Very
strange indeed.  using the latest versions of both windows 10 pro and NVda.

Tony


Re: Doing Google Searches

Scott VanDeWalle
 

Hello all.

As for me, if I can’t find it on google or I want to find a demo of something I will type the search into youtube.

Then if I still can not find an answer I will then ask.

Have a nice day.

 

Scott

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2017 10:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Doing Google Searches

 

On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 10:00 pm, Melissa Jean wrote:

Just from observing over the years it seems that the people who jump on the people asking "why don't people google? "Are worse [than] the people who actually to ask why people don't do it a certain way…

Indeed.
 
--
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     The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.  But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.

            Niels Bohr

 

 

 


Re: sluggish typing in edit boxes

Andre Fisher
 

No

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Don H
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 8:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] sluggish typing in edit boxes

 

Running NVDA 2017.3 RC1 on a Win 10 laptop.  When entering info in a

edit box on web pages NVDA is very sluggish in speaking characters being

typed.  Anhyone else experiencing this issue?

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Doing Google Searches

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 


Couldn't that be a bit risky? What if you was to hit that button, not knowing where it would take you, and you'd then land on a fishing website, or something with malware? I mean, OK. I agree whole-heartedly that the odds of that occuring are very much slim to none, but, don't discount it.
---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:18 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Doing Google Searches

I tend to use the I’m feeling lucking lucky button which usually does the trick but not always.
From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 1:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Doing Google Searches
 
Of course, you may not get the desired result in every result.  But if a search is well designed, and you may have to experiment to find a search for a specific thing that brings up good results, you will get relevant results even if you get some that don't apply.  And as you experiment with different searches over time, you will learn how to use good search strings with less experimentation.  Most search strings I use present good results.  At times, I have to try more than one.  but you can often tell if a resuylt is relevant before you follow the link to go to the page.  Below the information about the link, such as the address to which it leads and some other information presented about the link and depending on how your browser settings are set, a menu button or a cached link, you will find brief excerpts from the page.  One thing few people know is that the excerpts are not the same.  They depend on what you are searching for.  If I want to find something and I know specifically just what it is, such as a phone number, if I type, Northwestern Hospital , Chicago IL 773
results will show the phone number in one or more of the excerpts.  So I don't have to follow any results links or look at any pages to find the link.  773 is the Chicago area code, the phone number on the page will be sure to start with the area code and the excerpts, I'll call them context excerpts, my term, will show the phone number based on what you have specified as part of the search string. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 3:04 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Doing Google Searches
 
One annoying thing is the way items come up but when you go there you find
its not anything to do with your search, simply cos, for example a set of
speakers might come up for a search for cd players as the description says
can be used  on headphone socket of portable cd players.

Brian

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in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sarah k Alawami" <marrie12@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2017 12:47 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Doing Google Searches


Most of us including myself are lazy. Ok, I'll google for something but if I
just can't find the answer or the pages are 10 years old (this did happen to
me a few times) I will ask on a list and point to the steps I took to
troubleshoot the issue, and the steps I tool to try and figure out on my own
how to do what ever it is I'm trying to do with nvda, narrator, voiceover,
talkback etc.

Take care
> On Aug 18, 2017, at 12:28 PM, Andre Fisher <fishersmails123@...>
> wrote:
>
> Hi.
> A quick query. Lately, I have realized that most persons subscribed to
> this list, rather than going to Google or a search engine of their choice,
> seek to ask questions here prior to doing this type of research. I’d
> seriously like to know why, as I find this practice to be
> counterproductive. Why do I say this? Because sometimes, the responses
> that are given are incorrect. Why don’t persons read the NVDA User Guide,
> for example. It is well detailed. Could persons explain this to me?
>





Re: question

Gene
 

I'm not sure what you are asking.  With sticky keys on, in the setting you asked about, first press numpad insert.  Then press control.  Then press up or down arrow.  the rate will change. 
Then do all of the steps again.  Numpad insert, then control then up or down arrow. 
 
If you used the caps lock key, the same procedure would work.  Press caps lock once, then control, then the up or down arrow.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:28 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] question

Hi gene

You are understanding quite well what my problem is, and with your support I am overcoming them one by one.

Without the sticky keys I won’t be able to using it unfortunately.

I wish you if you don’t mind to check out for me, if I use the insert key of the numpad on works properly?

Because before I used to use the  capslock as well as an insert key. 

I hope you will be able to understand this time as well what I mean, and apologizing for the trouble I’m giving you.

Thanks in advance

Kind regards

Anthony \

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 20 August 2017 15:19
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] question

 

The thread is about using sticky keys and how they respond and how to know if a sticky key is on or off.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 8:14 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] question

 

nvda announces for me caps lock on or off without making any setting.

On 8/20/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> I am not aware of any way.  I saw no setting for changing from beeps to
> audio announcements.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: anthony borg
> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 3:17 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] question
>
>
> Hi gene
>
> I am aware that I have to press it twice, but the problem is that it doesn't
> announce on or off, it just peeps.
>
> If there is a way of how to do it announcing it,
>
> Can you please explain to me how to do it?
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Anthony
>
>
>
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene New
> Zealand
> Sent: 20 August 2017 01:55
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] question
>
>
>
> Hi
>
>
>
> You are probably aware that if the caps lock key is selected as a modifier
> key it has to be hit 2 times to turn caps lock on and two for off..
>
>
>
> if it is selected as the modifier key then it would be that key and say the
> letter N to get into the preferences of nvda.
>
>
>
> here unless i am writing some thing unless it is more than a letter i just
> use the shift key for just one letter and if i want all of them capitalized
> I might then put that key on to do it then turn it off.
>
>
>
> Gene nz
>
>
>
>
>
> On 20/08/2017 00:38, anthony borg wrote:
>
>   Hi list
>
>   Can someone help me to figure out this problem please?
>
>   On my laptop I use the sticky keys to be able to use the keyboard with one
> hand, but since I started to use the n v d a, I am meeting this problem. ?
>
>   Since I started to use the capslock as n v d a, now I can't use it to
> write a capital letter, as usual, if any n v d a programmer can help me to
> solve this problem I would appreciate it very much.
>
>   Thanks in advance
>
>   Anthony
>
>
>
>
>


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Re: strange bug with dictation bridge.

Pranav Lal
 

Hi derek,

Please raise this as an issue on github irrespective of someone being able to duplicate and we will check it out. I have not experienced this but then I am not a WSR user.

Pranav