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Re: can't use the letter K to get from link to link

Chris
 

Hello

 

Is the same for other navigation keys?

Is it the same for other websites or just gmail?

Have you tried another browser?

 

 

 


Re: can't use the letter K to get from link to link

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I'm still suspecting that browse and focus mode switching on web sites is not working which is a very common mess up by sighted testers.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jacob Kruger" <jacob@blindza.co.za>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 7:34 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't use the letter K to get from link to link


First thing is to just open something as simple as notepad, and, make
sure all the normal key combinations work like they should - things like
' ", shift + number row keys, etc. - that's a common symptom if, for
example, someone has switched over to UK english keyboard layout, but,
is used to the US english layout.


Then, think the easiest way to double-check is to find the control
panel, find language, and, tab around the window that should come up,
until you find something like a list of languages installed, and, for
example, mine is there set to English (South Africa). Keyboard layout:
US. Available for download
Keyboard layout: US.


But, this might not be relevant at all, if the keyboard operates
normally in other contexts, and, would then just suggest trying it out
in a different browser to see if it still misbehaves, since that would
then point out that it might indeed be an NVDA configuration issue?


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2017/11/15 09:13, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

I'm using the latest version of windows 10 which is the fall creators
update.

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
*Jacob Kruger
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 14, 2017 11:06 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] can't use the letter K to get from link to link

Really depends on operating system version, and, honestly, it was just
a form of guess - if keyboard works fine in other contexts, then it's
somewhat unlikely?

Stay well

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
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On 2017/11/15 08:43, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

How do I change that?

*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Jacob Kruger
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 14, 2017 10:19 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] can't use the letter K to get from link to link

Makes me think that maybe your input language has been set to some
language other than US english, and, so, your keyboard is behaving
oddly?

Jacob Kruger

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Skype: BlindZA

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On 2017/11/15 04:39, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

The weird thing is that it happens in internet explorer. Not
only that but if I'm trying to read a title bar in IE, I get
"0 T" instead of the insert key. I don't have that problem in
microsoft edge.

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[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Christopher-Mark
Gilland
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 14, 2017 6:10 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] can't use the letter K to get from link
to link

Aa, sounds like somehow your NVDA key got unmapped from the
insert key. Go into the NVDA menu, then preferences, general,
and make sure that the NVDA modifier for insert is checked. If
you wind up having to check it, then be sure to save your
configuration afterwards with NVDA+CTRL+C.

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*From:* Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@gmail.com>

*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Sent:* Tuesday, November 14, 2017 5:27 PM

*Subject:* [nvda] can't use the letter K to get from link
to link

Hi, everyone,

Recently I had to have my computer repaired. Yesterday I
brought it home from the shop but found that now I can't
get to the links list with NVDA f-7 or the letter K.
Whoever repaired my computer must have changed some
settings on it. I have the proper boxes checked but don't
know why this isn't working. Here is what I was trying to
do. I wanted to go to the Gmail site to find out if I had
messages in my spam folder that aren't spam. When I hit K
to go from link to link, all I get is K and nothing else.
When I hit NVDA f-7 to go to the links list, I get a
message asking if I want to turn on caret browsing. What
could bee causing this?

Thanks for your help in advance.

Rosemarie


Re: can't use the letter K to get from link to link

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No before your message appeared here for me I asked it as well suspecting that its lost its registration of key DLL files as we have heard of recently here on some laptop clone installs. Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jacob Kruger" <jacob@blindza.co.za>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 6:15 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't use the letter K to get from link to link


Dumb question, but, are you definitely focusing on the web page
contents, and, can you tab around link to link?


If so, then try toggling between browse and focus mode to make sure it's
in browse mode before you try the keystrokes?


But, the main thing is to firstly make sure you're working within the
webpage contents?


And, yes, know this could just be me asking dumb questions...<smile>


Jacob Kruger
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Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2017/11/15 03:54, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Can you reinstall nvda from scratc h and see if that works? You might
have to do that, but use narrator to navigate to the exe where the
installer is and then run it probably in admin mode.

Take care

On Nov 14, 2017, at 3:19 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria
<knitqueen2007@gmail.com <mailto:knitqueen2007@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi, Gene,
I tried checking that box but that didn't work. I'll probably have to
have a sighted relative look at it and see what's going on. I wonder
if the tech did delete something that NVDA needs.
Thank you for trying to help though.
Rosemarie
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<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io]*On Behalf
Of*Gene
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*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:*Re: [nvda] can't use the letter K to get from link to link
In browse mode settings, tab a lot of times until you get to a check
box that says, Trap all non-command gestures from reaching the document.
If it isn't checked, check it. Of course, the tech may have done
something else or corrupted or deleted something NVDA needs to
perform these tasks properly, but this may be the solution.
Gene
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*Sent:*Tuesday, November 14, 2017 4:27 PM
*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:*[nvda] can't use the letter K to get from link to link
Hi, everyone,
Recently I had to have my computer repaired. Yesterday I brought it
home from the shop but found that now I can't get to the links list
with NVDA f-7 or the letter K. Whoever repaired my computer must have
changed some settings on it. I have the proper boxes checked but
don't know why this isn't working. Here is what I was trying to do. I
wanted to go to the Gmail site to find out if I had messages in my
spam folder that aren't spam. When I hit K to go from link to link,
all I get is K and nothing else. When I hit NVDA f-7 to go to the
links list, I get a message asking if I want to turn on caret
browsing. What could bee causing this?
Thanks for your help in advance.
Rosemarie


Re: another ff57 issue

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I have no idea other than as I look at mine I'm on a release version and its saying 56 is the latest, if I change it to a beta, its offering me 58. I never did get Mozillas logic here.
You can just put 52 over 56 and of course you then do not have that sidebar focus issue either.
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Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 4:04 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] another ff57 issue


So... Do I first uninstall V56 before installing the ESR version? Or, do I just install over the top of 56? the weird thing is, I'm still on 56. It's not even asked me to update, and yes, I have the box checked to auto check for updates. I can't say I'm wishing! for 57 to hit me. I'm only just sayin' I'm curious why everyone's seeing it, but I'm not.
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----- Original Message -----
From: Shaun Everiss
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Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 10:47 PM
Subject: [nvda] another ff57 issue


Hi.

The downloads window does not read progress information I don't even get
progress bars for downloads.


Re: firefox is now back

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Unfortunately the legacy add ons got trashed and could not be brought back in my case only uninstalleed searched for and reinstalled again.
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Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 3:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox is now back


Hi.

And just like that I am back to 57 for good this time.

Today I decided to well I decided to do a junk clean with disk cleaner.

Lets say, it hosed my sounds extention and I had to reset all of everything.

And I decided that well I wasn't bad off, noscript should be out at the end of the week and as long as I can access the options screen right in firefox I will do it.

I can't read the security dialogs in chrome so all my bluster had me a bit more bad off.

I would like the ability to edit and interact with form fields in firefox addon options.

I'd also like to have my navigation sound back and to know where addon data is saved so maybe I can find and replace the vary low download sound for sound download notifier I have.

I however do have sound notifier back and to be honest firefox 57 is a lot faster loading.

I'll keep the legacy addons installed though just in case I need to downgrade to 56.x.

I do hope that the form fields in addons options can be interacted with its just about the only thing thats wrong, at least with the 64 bit version of this program.

And here I was switching to chrome.

Firefox still shows the right dialogs and not unknowns, chrome still has issues.

I access things like resilio, and other ip based sites daily, and thats where I run into a problem.



On 15/11/2017 10:30 a.m., Steve Nutt wrote:
Hi,

Chromebooks are much better for accessibility now.

All the best

Steve

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Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox is now chrome

Chromevox has a long history, back when Chrome book computers first started, they accessed all their aps through the web interface of Chrome browser. ie it was not running windows. They built in a rudamentary screenreader to help people its always been very basic and I have never bothered with it as it was really only relevant in the above context as soon Chrome implimented apis for its windows version which allowed other screenreaders to be used.
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Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 6:39 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox is now chrome


Its a screen reader its more basic than nvda it uses sapi and google tts.




On 14/11/2017 7:35 p.m., zahra wrote:
hello.
could you please someone explane for me in details that whats the
chromevox?
i did not understand whats it.
is it a screen reader which works just in chrome?
if so, which synthesizer does it have?
God bless you all.

On 11/14/17, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:
The only issue I did have was connecting to my bt sync server, and my
router in fact any device with an ip address.

I got a lot of unknowns, I assume it was a security dialog, I had to go
to the address bar, shift tab once, hit the information button then
allow this site always then hit reload, then it let it go through.

I do wish that security dialogs and extention add dialogs got read
chrome dropps into a chrome legacy window instead of a document window
and screen readers can't read legacy windows so well.




On 14/11/2017 11:00 a.m., Sally Kiebdaj wrote:
Hello Mary,


Chrome has an extension called Chromevox which acts as a screen
reader. NVDA also works with Chrome, though.


Warm regards,

Sally



On 11/13/2017 4:47 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
So does chrome have a reader at on, rather like what you get with
Safari either on a Mac or on the phone? The android version of chrome
doesn’t have that, and it’s a huge disadvantage in my opinion. I’m
guessing that the desktop version either has it built in or at least
has an ad on.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 13, 2017, at 1:03 PM, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
wrote:

Hi.

Ok guys decided to cut my losses and switched to chrome.

What an experience change.

Its true I need to do a bit more configging but just about every
file just saves now.

And access wize there are accessibility addons.

For me noscript doesn't come but the rest.

First https everywhere, privacy badger and ublock origin exist thats
good.

I use download notifier for sounds, and google sound effects tweaked
so it doesn't make sounds for everything I do key typing scroling
down pages, etc.

However its better than the crappy addon I have on firefox.

Its got accessibility features and its fully configurable, maybe ms
should take a leaf out of google's book for their stuff because
headings for everything.

The only issues I have is when removing addon extentions I have to
hit enter twice as there is a lot of unknown and the same with
adding extentions tab once and hit enter.

I also don't care for the top down approach of the google app store.

However I am fully setup and while it could be better, I do believe
that firefox as it stands is history with me.

Noscript, well its not really important right now, everything works
as needed.

I do feel sad leaving firefox though.




On 14/11/2017 8:51 a.m., Gene wrote:
Why do some people care so much about browser sounds? When a page
has finished opening, you'll know it because the screen-reader
automatically starts to read it. When a page doesn't load for some
reason, a lot of the time there is an error message. When you
download a file, you can easily check the estimated time remaining
for the download. I understand the desire to hear a sound when a
download finishes because that will tell you, without you having to
check or without perhaps getting busy with something else and
forgetting to check in a timely manner. But how much of the
concern with sounds is just habit? Maybe people would be surprised
if they didn't use browser sounds for three days as a trial, how
quickly almost all of the sounds fade into insignificance. Even
the download finished sound may decrease significantly in
importance.
Gene
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From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 1:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] firefox sort of fixed


Hi.

Ok, got an addon called download sound this works for downloads,
sadly I
don't get when sites open like navigation sounds, but if anything
else
the download sound is the important event sound is a bit loud
though.




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Re: can't use the letter K to get from link to link

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No that has little to do with this from the way I read the query.. If single letter nav is not working thn its stuck in focus mode and hence has the probablem of deregistered dlls. If Office has been taken out and put back this seems ofteen to be the end result.
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Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 2:10 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't use the letter K to get from link to link


Aa, sounds like somehow your NVDA key got unmapped from the insert key. Go into the NVDA menu, then preferences, general, and make sure that the NVDA modifier for insert is checked. If you wind up having to check it, then be sure to save your configuration afterwards with NVDA+CTRL+C.
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----- Original Message -----
From: Rosemarie Chavarria
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 5:27 PM
Subject: [nvda] can't use the letter K to get from link to link


Hi, everyone,



Recently I had to have my computer repaired. Yesterday I brought it home from the shop but found that now I can't get to the links list with NVDA f-7 or the letter K. Whoever repaired my computer must have changed some settings on it. I have the proper boxes checked but don't know why this isn't working. Here is what I was trying to do. I wanted to go to the Gmail site to find out if I had messages in my spam folder that aren't spam. When I hit K to go from link to link, all I get is K and nothing else. When I hit NVDA f-7 to go to the links list, I get a message asking if I want to turn on caret browsing. What could bee causing this?



Thanks for your help in advance.



Rosemarie


Re: nvda tickets

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I think the point he is raising here is the one I've raised many many times and been ignored.
That is, really there should be a setting in there so even your own messages get sent to the email list it uses so you can follow a thread correctly maybe months later on.
In my view this is a serious issue with gather or its the most well hidden checbox on the web.
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Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 12:08 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda tickets


It looks like you've done everything correct. I can see your issue here:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/7754.

It looks like no-one has commented on it or anything yet, so you likely
won't have received any e-mail about it yet.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 9:55 AM, Governor staten <govsta@gmail.com> wrote:

I posted a ticket on the topic of Zoom yesterday. Do we see emails
corresponding to our own tickets before someone comments on them? I'm just
curious. If I've done something wrong, I'd like to know. I filled it out
and then pressed the submit button.



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Re: can't use the letter K to get from link to link

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Can you switch from browse to focus mode?
Probably not.
Brian

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From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 11:19 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't use the letter K to get from link to link


Hi, Gene,



I tried checking that box but that didn't work. I'll probably have to have a
sighted relative look at it and see what's going on. I wonder if the tech
did delete something that NVDA needs.



Thank you for trying to help though.



Rosemarie







From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 2:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't use the letter K to get from link to link



In browse mode settings, tab a lot of times until you get to a check box
that says, Trap all non-command gestures from reaching the document.



If it isn't checked, check it. Of course, the tech may have done something
else or corrupted or deleted something NVDA needs to perform these tasks
properly, but this may be the solution.



Gene

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From: Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@gmail.com>

Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 4:27 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: [nvda] can't use the letter K to get from link to link



Hi, everyone,



Recently I had to have my computer repaired. Yesterday I brought it home
from the shop but found that now I can't get to the links list with NVDA f-7
or the letter K. Whoever repaired my computer must have changed some
settings on it. I have the proper boxes checked but don't know why this
isn't working. Here is what I was trying to do. I wanted to go to the Gmail
site to find out if I had messages in my spam folder that aren't spam. When
I hit K to go from link to link, all I get is K and nothing else. When I hit
NVDA f-7 to go to the links list, I get a message asking if I want to turn
on caret browsing. What could bee causing this?



Thanks for your help in advance.



Rosemarie




Re: the new firefox quanttum

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But remember you could be like me, where it simply refuses to work and removes vital add ons.
Brian


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Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 11:10 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] the new firefox quanttum


I chose to postpone the update, for now. I may well end up just going for it. It seems that a good number of people are actually ok with using Quantum with their screen-reader already, this before Mozilla makes their improvements in 58, 59 or whatever it is.







From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Scott VanDeWalle
Sent: November 14, 2017 4:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] the new firefox quanttum



Hello all.



I just installed the new firefox.

The only thing wrong with it as far as I’m concerned is that it is slower.

So for now I’ll either use google chrome or edge as my default browser.

I’m using the new nightly firefox 58, and it is not much better, as promised it would be.

Just my opinions though.

Have a good da y.



Scott


Re: nvda tickets

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No I pointed this out some time ago that it seems to be illogical. Never see any of my comments only others comments unless I log in and scroll through the issue on the gather web site. For some reason the techs over there seem to have a blind spot when you point this out as if its normal, but it would be real nice if an email was sent for all parts of that thread to the nominated account. However its not and I have been frustrated to note this is the case and nobody seems to care.
Brian

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From: "Governor staten" <govsta@gmail.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 10:55 PM
Subject: [nvda] nvda tickets


I posted a ticket on the topic of Zoom yesterday. Do we see emails
corresponding to our own tickets before someone comments on them? I'm
just curious. If I've done something wrong, I'd like to know. I filled
it out and then pressed the submit button.


Re: create portable copy

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I think we were wondering why you wanted to do it this way though. I thought the issue was a temporary computer that they did not want nvda to be installed onto. Brian

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Subject: Re: [nvda] create portable copy


lets try this again in a different way. okay this is what I am talking about I got it from the What's New in NVDA. and if it helps I am using the latest master snapshot • Added new command line parameters to create a portable copy of NVDA. (#6329)
Vanessa!


Re: Unveiling Braille Me - World's Most Affordable Smart Braille Display

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Those who have worked with Braille tend to use uncontracted chars so that one char equals one character on the screen. The only way then to find out where the cursor and other markers are is with the bottom row.
However I'm pretty rubbish with refreshable Braille and as I'm now a home user I don't even have a display.
Each to their own of course.
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Unveiling Braille Me - World's Most Affordable Smart Braille Display


I don't use 8 dots, never have. In fact on my braille lite I turned that off the first day I got it, tha twas 7 years ago I no longer have the unit but I hate 8dot braille. JMT though.

On Nov 14, 2017, at 1:29 PM, Steve Nutt <steve@comproom.co.uk> wrote:

Hi,

Ah I am with you now, cursor tracking would be essential for me too.

All the best

Steve

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Unveiling Braille Me - World's Most Affordable Smart Braille Display

Absolutely it does. But it doesn't have cursor tracking. At least I don't see how it can, since there are only six dots. DotsSeven and eight blink to show the position of the cursor in standard 8 dot Braille configurations. I could be totally wrong about this of course. Perhaps the entire letter blinks to show the position of the cursor. I feel pretty confident, but I suppose it was not safe to speculate without having seen the device in operation.


On November 14, 2017 10:12:33 AM "Angelo Sonnesso" <asonnesso@gmail.com> wrote:

It does have cursor routing buttons.

73 N2DYN Angelo

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Unveiling Braille Me - World's Most Affordable Smart Braille Display

I think you have to look at it like this. When a Perkins brailler costs $800, and a refreshable braille display costs $400, the Braille display becomes instantly attractive in learning environments.

Cursor tracking would be nice, but six dots is all you need to start teaching people how to use the code. We streamlined learning of Braille into technology. We substantially reduce paper waste. We slash both the upfront and long-term cost, and we make Braille relevant to Consumers who would otherwise wonder why they are taking the time to learn it.

For myself, I really need 8 dot Computer Braille, and cursor tracking in my classes. So, this device will not be great for me; however, I think it's great that one of these is actually going to hit the market. I hope when they start recovering some of their R&D costs, they will expand the size, add the cursor tracking feature is, and make it a little bit more relevant to Advanced Braille users.


On November 14, 2017 7:29:01 AM "Steve Nutt" <steve@comproom.co.uk> wrote:

Hi,

Yeah eight dots isn't there, which makes it a bit half-baked, but it will be nice to have a cheaper option.

All the best

Steve

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Unveiling Braille Me - World's Most Affordable Smart Braille Display

Is this going to be another one like the last el cheapo one that everyone is still waiting to get?

Wee only six dots, I thought 8 was needed for computer Braille to allow info like cursor position etc.
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Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 5:14 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unveiling Braille Me - World's Most Affordable Smart Braille Display


It literally says $399.00 in the original email message.

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Ann Byrne
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 5:28 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unveiling Braille Me - World's Most Affordable
Smart Braille Display

How affordable is it???
At 07:17 AM 11/13/2017, you wrote:
Hi Josh,
I had been contacted by Shyam from Innovision a couple months ago with
regards to how adding support for a new Braille display driver works
in the case of NVDA. I had redirected Shyam to Jamie or Reef by
providing their e-mail addresses at that point in time. I am unaware
of whether or not he actually followed up with an NV Access staff
member, but what I can safely say is that supporting NVDA was very
much on their minds while developing this affordable Braille display.
Thanks.

On 11/13/17, Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@gmail.com> wrote:
will this display work with NVDA also?




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Re: can't use the letter K to get from link to link

 

hello.
did you test with firefox?
in firefox, tools, options, find the last item which is advance.
advance in options, has five parts.
the first part is general and the first item is Always use the cursor
keys to navigate within pages

press space on it to activate it!
hope that help, God bless you all!

On 11/15/17, Jacob Kruger <jacob@blindza.co.za> wrote:
First thing is to just open something as simple as notepad, and, make
sure all the normal key combinations work like they should - things like
' ", shift + number row keys, etc. - that's a common symptom if, for
example, someone has switched over to UK english keyboard layout, but,
is used to the US english layout.


Then, think the easiest way to double-check is to find the control
panel, find language, and, tab around the window that should come up,
until you find something like a list of languages installed, and, for
example, mine is there set to English (South Africa). Keyboard layout:
US. Available for download
Keyboard layout: US.


But, this might not be relevant at all, if the keyboard operates
normally in other contexts, and, would then just suggest trying it out
in a different browser to see if it still misbehaves, since that would
then point out that it might indeed be an NVDA configuration issue?


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2017/11/15 09:13, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

I'm using the latest version of windows 10 which is the fall creators
update.

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
*Jacob Kruger
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 14, 2017 11:06 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] can't use the letter K to get from link to link

Really depends on operating system version, and, honestly, it was just
a form of guess - if keyboard works fine in other contexts, then it's
somewhat unlikely?

Stay well

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On 2017/11/15 08:43, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

How do I change that?

*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Jacob Kruger
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 14, 2017 10:19 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] can't use the letter K to get from link to link

Makes me think that maybe your input language has been set to some
language other than US english, and, so, your keyboard is behaving
oddly?

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On 2017/11/15 04:39, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

The weird thing is that it happens in internet explorer. Not
only that but if I'm trying to read a title bar in IE, I get
"0 T" instead of the insert key. I don't have that problem in
microsoft edge.

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[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Christopher-Mark
Gilland
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*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] can't use the letter K to get from link
to link

Aa, sounds like somehow your NVDA key got unmapped from the
insert key. Go into the NVDA menu, then preferences, general,
and make sure that the NVDA modifier for insert is checked. If
you wind up having to check it, then be sure to save your
configuration afterwards with NVDA+CTRL+C.

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*Sent:* Tuesday, November 14, 2017 5:27 PM

*Subject:* [nvda] can't use the letter K to get from link
to link

Hi, everyone,

Recently I had to have my computer repaired. Yesterday I
brought it home from the shop but found that now I can't
get to the links list with NVDA f-7 or the letter K.
Whoever repaired my computer must have changed some
settings on it. I have the proper boxes checked but don't
know why this isn't working. Here is what I was trying to
do. I wanted to go to the Gmail site to find out if I had
messages in my spam folder that aren't spam. When I hit K
to go from link to link, all I get is K and nothing else.
When I hit NVDA f-7 to go to the links list, I get a
message asking if I want to turn on caret browsing. What
could bee causing this?

Thanks for your help in advance.

Rosemarie

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Re: can't use the letter K to get from link to link

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No you have the old dll deregister problem. Anyone got the link to the command line fix for this, I recently cleanened out old messages.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 10:27 PM
Subject: [nvda] can't use the letter K to get from link to link


Hi, everyone,



Recently I had to have my computer repaired. Yesterday I brought it home
from the shop but found that now I can't get to the links list with NVDA f-7
or the letter K. Whoever repaired my computer must have changed some
settings on it. I have the proper boxes checked but don't know why this
isn't working. Here is what I was trying to do. I wanted to go to the Gmail
site to find out if I had messages in my spam folder that aren't spam. When
I hit K to go from link to link, all I get is K and nothing else. When I hit
NVDA f-7 to go to the links list, I get a message asking if I want to turn
on caret browsing. What could bee causing this?



Thanks for your help in advance.



Rosemarie


Re: NVDA and Firefox 57

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Yes no browse or focus modrd out of the box. Heap of rubbish.
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Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 10:19 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Firefox 57


I've just opened Firefox to find it bug up on the very start page.


On 14/11/2017 22:26, Dejan Ristic wrote:
Do you manage to make it work with youtube? When I tried it today, it bugged my machine up, and made me to shut it up as was not recommended to start it again to get myself out of the bug-up situation. Then, tried some simpler sites to check whether it would be the same, and found out that it worked good.


I use Windows 7, 64bit with NVDA 2017.3.


Firefox version, latest.


Do you think that I may enable and/or disable some security and/or accessibility features to make it easier for my Firefox to deal with more complicated sites such as youtube, FB, and some pronounciation-providing dictionaries? I am ready to disable all the security features and be as vulnerable as possible to any sort of attacks so as to make it go as smoothly as possible because the sites I visit are 100% risk free.


Thankful in advance,


Dejan


On 14/11/2017 19:04, Don H wrote:
I am finding that NVDA 2017-3 works just fine with Firefox version 57.




.






Re: the new firefox quanttum

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I still cannot get 57 to actually work at all here, so I'm avoiding it. I don't have time to fiddle and nothing really should need to be altered to get it to work albeit slower or whatever. There are obviously issues with some systems as yet unexplained and until they are resolved its not worth my time attempting to figure it out, there are cleverer people than I and I have nearly a year of 52 updates to let them play with their new toy.
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Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 9:43 PM
Subject: [nvda] the new firefox quanttum


Hello all.

I just installed the new firefox.
The only thing wrong with it as far as I’m concerned is that it is slower.
So for now I’ll either use google chrome or edge as my default browser.
I’m using the new nightly firefox 58, and it is not much better, as promised it would be.
Just my opinions though.
Have a good da y.

Scott


Re: firefox is now chrome

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Yes but that is because of the way the operating system works the faster processors and better internet generally.
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Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 9:30 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox is now chrome


Hi,

Chromebooks are much better for accessibility now.

All the best

Steve

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Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox is now chrome

Chromevox has a long history, back when Chrome book computers first started, they accessed all their aps through the web interface of Chrome browser. ie it was not running windows. They built in a rudamentary screenreader to help people its always been very basic and I have never bothered with it as it was really only relevant in the above context as soon Chrome implimented apis for its windows version which allowed other screenreaders to be used.
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Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 6:39 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox is now chrome


Its a screen reader its more basic than nvda it uses sapi and google tts.




On 14/11/2017 7:35 p.m., zahra wrote:
hello.
could you please someone explane for me in details that whats the
chromevox?
i did not understand whats it.
is it a screen reader which works just in chrome?
if so, which synthesizer does it have?
God bless you all.

On 11/14/17, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:
The only issue I did have was connecting to my bt sync server, and my
router in fact any device with an ip address.

I got a lot of unknowns, I assume it was a security dialog, I had to go
to the address bar, shift tab once, hit the information button then
allow this site always then hit reload, then it let it go through.

I do wish that security dialogs and extention add dialogs got read
chrome dropps into a chrome legacy window instead of a document window
and screen readers can't read legacy windows so well.




On 14/11/2017 11:00 a.m., Sally Kiebdaj wrote:
Hello Mary,


Chrome has an extension called Chromevox which acts as a screen
reader. NVDA also works with Chrome, though.


Warm regards,

Sally



On 11/13/2017 4:47 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
So does chrome have a reader at on, rather like what you get with
Safari either on a Mac or on the phone? The android version of chrome
doesn’t have that, and it’s a huge disadvantage in my opinion. I’m
guessing that the desktop version either has it built in or at least
has an ad on.
Mary


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On Nov 13, 2017, at 1:03 PM, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
wrote:

Hi.

Ok guys decided to cut my losses and switched to chrome.

What an experience change.

Its true I need to do a bit more configging but just about every
file just saves now.

And access wize there are accessibility addons.

For me noscript doesn't come but the rest.

First https everywhere, privacy badger and ublock origin exist thats
good.

I use download notifier for sounds, and google sound effects tweaked
so it doesn't make sounds for everything I do key typing scroling
down pages, etc.

However its better than the crappy addon I have on firefox.

Its got accessibility features and its fully configurable, maybe ms
should take a leaf out of google's book for their stuff because
headings for everything.

The only issues I have is when removing addon extentions I have to
hit enter twice as there is a lot of unknown and the same with
adding extentions tab once and hit enter.

I also don't care for the top down approach of the google app store.

However I am fully setup and while it could be better, I do believe
that firefox as it stands is history with me.

Noscript, well its not really important right now, everything works
as needed.

I do feel sad leaving firefox though.




On 14/11/2017 8:51 a.m., Gene wrote:
Why do some people care so much about browser sounds? When a page
has finished opening, you'll know it because the screen-reader
automatically starts to read it. When a page doesn't load for some
reason, a lot of the time there is an error message. When you
download a file, you can easily check the estimated time remaining
for the download. I understand the desire to hear a sound when a
download finishes because that will tell you, without you having to
check or without perhaps getting busy with something else and
forgetting to check in a timely manner. But how much of the
concern with sounds is just habit? Maybe people would be surprised
if they didn't use browser sounds for three days as a trial, how
quickly almost all of the sounds fade into insignificance. Even
the download finished sound may decrease significantly in
importance.
Gene
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From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 1:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] firefox sort of fixed


Hi.

Ok, got an addon called download sound this works for downloads,
sadly I
don't get when sites open like navigation sounds, but if anything
else
the download sound is the important event sound is a bit loud
though.





.





Re: firefox what was the fuss exactly?

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Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 7:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox what was the fuss exactly?


There are some sounds that are important because you can't get information efficiently about something such as a USB connection in other ways. I may not have made it as clear as I should have in my first message, but I'm talking specifically about sounds in contexts such as browser sounds, where the information can be efficiently gotten in other ways. There are advantages and disadvantages in various browsers but making whether sounds are available in a browser be a very important factor in determining whether to use that browser is, in my opinion, emphasizing sounds that are optional to a far more central position than they should be.

Gene
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From: brian
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 1:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox what was the fuss exactly?


I think that the reason that some blind people like sounds is it gives us a indacation of what's going on just like the sighted can see at glance. It's like windows sounds. We have the windows music to let us know that our computer is on. We have other windows sounds like the sound we hear when we plug a thumbdrive in or unplug it. If we did not hear this sound we would think that there is a problem but if there was no sound then how would we know that there was a problem. Sounds may not be necessary but they can really help us greatly to know what is happening. I don't have my sounds on in my webie brouser but I would not fault somone if they did. I do think that it's important to a sound for down loads because if there is a problem with your internet connection then you would know. Again the sighted can just look but we can't. Alot of people don't have good internet and it can and does loose connection quite frequently.

Brian Sackrider




On 11/14/2017 9:04 AM, Gene wrote:

I want to make my position clear and discuss another aspect of the current situation in this rather long message.

If people want to use sounds, there is nothing wrong with that but you don't need them and my position is that being so dependent on them that you make that a major determining factor on what browser to use is being too dependent. That's my position. I didn't say they are worthless nor that people shouldn't use them. I'm talking about being too dependent on one aspect of a program when that aspect isn't central to the program and when there may be better programs in general that don't have this specific characteristic.
I'm saying that if someone considers sounds in browsers to be so important that that is a major factor in deciding what browser to use, I consider that to be too dependent. There are other efficient ways to tell things when using a browser. If a page hasn't loaded, you can't move around. Tabbing or down arrowing once or twice will tell you. I'm not saying, as you said, that they are pointless. I'm saying that almost anything sounds do, can be either efficiently inferred or checked by other methods and that changing from one browser to another based either only or largely on sounds, is making this one characteristic of a browser too important.

I don't want my position to be misunderstood. If people want to use sounds, then that's fine; I'm saying that dependence on them to an excessive degree is not desirable if it leads to decisions on what programs to use in a certain class when trying to decide between program a and b that do roughly the same thing. Browsers have various advantages and disadvantages and sound is only one aspect of a program.
Also, the changes being made in firefox, according to a review I've read, make it even faster than Chrome. It isn't much faster, at least now, and I don't think it matters but if people read the article about these changes posted last week from Marco's Accessibility blog, these changes may result in screen-readers being far more capable to work on complex pages that have embedded programs or where the pages are far more interactive than traditional web pages, and that increasing numbers of web pages are, and will be more complex over time. Therefore, I find the attitude of blaming Mozilla for what it says it intends to be only a temporary loss of performance for blind users, and writing as though they are going to permanently use a different browser without even seeing the results of the work being done is disturbing. At the moment, Chrome may be better than Firefoxs in its latest version because of the changes. But blind people may be better served by what Mozilla is doing after the initial inconvenience.

How often do sighted people complain about things like road construction and repair, but would they never use the road again because of the temporary inconvenience? They may use a different road during the repairs and the road may even be closed at times, but they return to it when it is in good order again.

Gene
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Well the beta I tried simply refused to say anything but unknown on any
page, though most of the menus still worked.

I'm not inclined to update since I use the sound, particularly the one when
a page has fully loaded and the one that tells me a link has in fact
activated and of course download complete


I have seen elsewhere where people think these sounds are pointless. I
dispute this as everyone is different and I really only use browsers where I
can actually hear that things are going on. for example I've always noticed
that screenreaders sometimes do not figure out the page has loaded, but
navigational sounds does and hence allows me to re focus the screenreader.
Also I would not know if a download had completed if the download pane was
hidden without a sound.
Some links click but clickables do not so sometimes you can figure out what
is which sort of link on a page this way. In a way it would be even better
if button link and clickable had different sounds to save one getting
confused.

I think the list of things some of us want in a browser is obviously going
to be different to what the sighted want, so one will really need somebody
at Mozilla etc to write blind specific add ons for a browser.
Its far easier when trying to teach somebody how to use a browser to be
able to say, if you do not hear x then its not worked.
Brian

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From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 6:42 PM
Subject: [nvda] firefox what was the fuss exactly?


> Hi.
>
> Well While brousing firefox ftp today I decided to try firefox 57 as it
> was on releases today.
>
> What exactly was the fuss?
>
> Firefox interface loads fast, no lag, but I havn't tried big sites maybe a
> couple seconds for audiogames forum.
>
> Addons, noscript, aparently this will not work till actual release of
> firefox.
>
> Navigational sounds.
>
> I am trying to find a replacement, the author of this said that because
> the new interface doesn't allow for registry access one can't get the list
> of events to do things with.
>
> I tried 3 of them so far.
>
> Notification sound, noise and download sound.
>
> Download sound has no options or rather any way I can configure it to
> suit.
>
> Noise has options but there are no default events set and I tried to add
> what I wanted and define its sounds but I can't set values and going to
> its website found that while there is a web version all features are
> basically not there.
>
> Notification sound is another, but its got no options screen.
>
> Something like noise would be fine if it had an default event list which
> just used the windows schemes directly to the files etc.
>
> I only need web navigation start and end, and download complete as a
> start.
>
> If there was a way I could easily add events, or something that would be
> good but I'd like a list for beginners I could import.
>
> Over those though, I did notice and turn on the extra privacy protection,
> I have left active the unwanted software protection but I heard from some
> that this can cause problems.
>
> I also read the article about accessibility services and how they can be
> misused.
>
> It does say if you have a compatible jaws or nvda active on your system
> that you should leave this active.
>
> This is interesting, dolphin stuff is not on this list it makes me wander,
> while I do use dolphin stuff myself for things their web stuff is only for
> ie and ie 6-8 mainly.
>
> Still its an observation only.
>
> I must say off the bat what I really like about firefox are the easy
> option layouts, I just wish there was a way to extend them to well have
> extras for addons rather than mucking about with the manager.
>
> I do like the fact you can have arrow navigation on.
>
> I did get noscript revived but when I hit a site with scripts on it never
> actually notified me at all.
>
> I guess I have to fiddle with it, I do hope thatnoscript does go out and
> get released.
>
> Today is the 14th in nz and tomorrow it will be 14th in us and so, I am
> probably going to have to keep firefox 57 loaded though I am tempted to
> drop back to 56.02 for now and get my sounds back.
>
>
>
>
>


Re: firefox what was the fuss exactly?

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Its no less secure today than yesterday. There are people out there who will find a way to hack into everything. The game everyone is playing to try to close every conceivable loop hole or way to exploit windows and other systems will carry on no matter what of course.
Unfortunately if correct checks ad balances were carried out in the code to see if it really is a screenreader then why worry? In my view some of the dirty ways screenreaders have to use to get proper access to the data point toward those designing APIs for screenreader use as poor at their job. No hooking in and fiddling should be needed if they knew what we needed access to in a secure way.Sadly the world does not revolve around minority users and so we get the last dregs of the cup of tea. Protecting idiots from their own bad practices is more important. users need to actually learn to be more careful and stop trying to pretend the world on line is more safe than off. There are some areas of town I'd not go after dark, and I do not expect a line of police there to stop me being foolish enough to do it.
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From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 7:39 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox what was the fuss exactly?


Well if it comes to that, then as a blind person I will have to use an unsecured brouser.

Firefox 56 with noscript can be secure enough its a pitty that it will be not secure but well.

Lets hope that both makers and access tech upgrades to the new technologies and can use them.

Chrome is allready using web extentions the only issue I have with chrome are some dialogs for their security screens.

I also don't care for the multiple clickables meaning I have to just not do anything about that.




On 15/11/2017 7:19 a.m., Gene wrote:
It isn't just a question of security and I don't know enough about the technical aspects of security to comment on that regarding screen-readers.

But the statement from Mozilla, reproduced in Marco's Accessibility Blog, makes it clear that many changes are to deal efficiently with web pages that are increasingly interactive and complex. An important reason changes are being made regarding accessibility is because of the changes in web page design that have and are occurring as the Internet takes on more complex functions. Indeed, it looks to me as though Chrome will have to do the same sorts of things at some point and that one reason Edge was inaccessible after its release is because these sorts of changes are already built into the browser, although someone who knows more than my very slight bit of reading on the subject I did may correct or modify what I'm saying.

Gene
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From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 12:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox what was the fuss exactly?


Well for security reasons you may have to but to be honest, I agree, the
new firefox engine secure as it is means a lot of stuff we are used to
is gone and a few more niggles.

I'd actually prefur if they just kept 56.x secured as it is.

Chrome was the quickest way for me to stay secure and in business.

However if I didn't care firefox 56 would have been what I do.

Ofcause if I could fine a way without doodling with complex addons to
make my ff 52 broadcast a firefox 56 or higher on some sites then I'd
have no issue with it.

I still prefur firefox to chrome for its ease of use but they are going
to make it newer so.

To be honest if mozilla do what they say they are doing I do hope
something comes up next year, if firefox gets better then maybe I switch
back to firefox.




On 14/11/2017 10:11 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Well the beta I tried simply refused to say anything but unknown on
any page, though most of the menus still worked.

I'm not inclined to update since I use the sound, particularly the one
when a page has fully loaded and the one that tells me a link has in
fact activated and of course download complete


I have seen elsewhere where people think these sounds are pointless. I
dispute this as everyone is different and I really only use browsers
where I can actually hear that things are going on. for example I've
always noticed that screenreaders sometimes do not figure out the page
has loaded, but navigational sounds does and hence allows me to re
focus the screenreader.
Also I would not know if a download had completed if the download pane
was hidden without a sound.
Some links click but clickables do not so sometimes you can figure out
what is which sort of link on a page this way. In a way it would be
even better if button link and clickable had different sounds to save
one getting confused.

I think the list of things some of us want in a browser is obviously
going to be different to what the sighted want, so one will really
need somebody at Mozilla etc to write blind specific add ons for a
browser.
Its far easier when trying to teach somebody how to use a browser to
be able to say, if you do not hear x then its not worked.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 6:42 PM
Subject: [nvda] firefox what was the fuss exactly?


Hi.

Well While brousing firefox ftp today I decided to try firefox 57 as
it was on releases today.

What exactly was the fuss?

Firefox interface loads fast, no lag, but I havn't tried big sites
maybe a couple seconds for audiogames forum.

Addons, noscript, aparently this will not work till actual release of
firefox.

Navigational sounds.

I am trying to find a replacement, the author of this said that
because the new interface doesn't allow for registry access one can't
get the list of events to do things with.

I tried 3 of them so far.

Notification sound, noise and download sound.

Download sound has no options or rather any way I can configure it to
suit.

Noise has options but there are no default events set and I tried to
add what I wanted and define its sounds but I can't set values and
going to its website found that while there is a web version all
features are basically not there.

Notification sound is another, but its got no options screen.

Something like noise would be fine if it had an default event list
which just used the windows schemes directly to the files etc.

I only need web navigation start and end, and download complete as a
start.

If there was a way I could easily add events, or something that would
be good but I'd like a list for beginners I could import.

Over those though, I did notice and turn on the extra privacy
protection, I have left active the unwanted software protection but I
heard from some that this can cause problems.

I also read the article about accessibility services and how they can
be misused.

It does say if you have a compatible jaws or nvda active on your
system that you should leave this active.

This is interesting, dolphin stuff is not on this list it makes me
wander, while I do use dolphin stuff myself for things their web
stuff is only for ie and ie 6-8 mainly.

Still its an observation only.

I must say off the bat what I really like about firefox are the easy
option layouts, I just wish there was a way to extend them to well
have extras for addons rather than mucking about with the manager.

I do like the fact you can have arrow navigation on.

I did get noscript revived but when I hit a site with scripts on it
never actually notified me at all.

I guess I have to fiddle with it, I do hope thatnoscript does go out
and get released.

Today is the 14th in nz and tomorrow it will be 14th in us and so, I
am probably going to have to keep firefox 57 loaded though I am
tempted to drop back to 56.02 for now and get my sounds back.






.



Re: can't read the messwages for this list in outlook

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Can you read html in a browser and do context menus work?
I'm thinking that something has been corrupted in the accessibility part of windows. It will not be visible but we have had a lot of people on here talking about various parts of windows not working, normally this is caused by some kinds of uninstll of a program. There is as I recall a command to re register the DLL files, but if that fails then it could be that windows registry is damaged and it needs a reinstall from scratch.
Brian

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Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 7:01 PM
Subject: [nvda] can't read the messwages for this list in outlook


Hi, everyone,What can I try doing?





Thanks for your help in advance.



Rosemarie







Recently I had to take my computer to Best Buy to be repaired because it
wouldn't start up. I brought it home yesterday but now when I try to read
messages from this list, they appear to be blank. I've tried maximizing
outllook but it didn't work. I can't even go into the NVDA menu to see if
there's a setting I might need to change.