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Re: firefox is now chrome

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

Chromebooks are much better for accessibility now.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: 14 November 2017 17:46
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox is now chrome

Chromevox has a long history, back when Chrome book computers first started, they accessed all their aps through the web interface of Chrome browser. ie it was not running windows. They built in a rudamentary screenreader to help people its always been very basic and I have never bothered with it as it was really only relevant in the above context as soon Chrome implimented apis for its windows version which allowed other screenreaders to be used.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 6:39 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox is now chrome


Its a screen reader its more basic than nvda it uses sapi and google tts.




On 14/11/2017 7:35 p.m., zahra wrote:
hello.
could you please someone explane for me in details that whats the
chromevox?
i did not understand whats it.
is it a screen reader which works just in chrome?
if so, which synthesizer does it have?
God bless you all.

On 11/14/17, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:
The only issue I did have was connecting to my bt sync server, and my
router in fact any device with an ip address.

I got a lot of unknowns, I assume it was a security dialog, I had to go
to the address bar, shift tab once, hit the information button then
allow this site always then hit reload, then it let it go through.

I do wish that security dialogs and extention add dialogs got read
chrome dropps into a chrome legacy window instead of a document window
and screen readers can't read legacy windows so well.




On 14/11/2017 11:00 a.m., Sally Kiebdaj wrote:
Hello Mary,


Chrome has an extension called Chromevox which acts as a screen
reader. NVDA also works with Chrome, though.


Warm regards,

Sally



On 11/13/2017 4:47 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
So does chrome have a reader at on, rather like what you get with
Safari either on a Mac or on the phone? The android version of chrome
doesn’t have that, and it’s a huge disadvantage in my opinion. I’m
guessing that the desktop version either has it built in or at least
has an ad on.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 13, 2017, at 1:03 PM, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
wrote:

Hi.

Ok guys decided to cut my losses and switched to chrome.

What an experience change.

Its true I need to do a bit more configging but just about every
file just saves now.

And access wize there are accessibility addons.

For me noscript doesn't come but the rest.

First https everywhere, privacy badger and ublock origin exist thats
good.

I use download notifier for sounds, and google sound effects tweaked
so it doesn't make sounds for everything I do key typing scroling
down pages, etc.

However its better than the crappy addon I have on firefox.

Its got accessibility features and its fully configurable, maybe ms
should take a leaf out of google's book for their stuff because
headings for everything.

The only issues I have is when removing addon extentions I have to
hit enter twice as there is a lot of unknown and the same with
adding extentions tab once and hit enter.

I also don't care for the top down approach of the google app store.

However I am fully setup and while it could be better, I do believe
that firefox as it stands is history with me.

Noscript, well its not really important right now, everything works
as needed.

I do feel sad leaving firefox though.




On 14/11/2017 8:51 a.m., Gene wrote:
Why do some people care so much about browser sounds? When a page
has finished opening, you'll know it because the screen-reader
automatically starts to read it. When a page doesn't load for some
reason, a lot of the time there is an error message. When you
download a file, you can easily check the estimated time remaining
for the download. I understand the desire to hear a sound when a
download finishes because that will tell you, without you having to
check or without perhaps getting busy with something else and
forgetting to check in a timely manner. But how much of the
concern with sounds is just habit? Maybe people would be surprised
if they didn't use browser sounds for three days as a trial, how
quickly almost all of the sounds fade into insignificance. Even
the download finished sound may decrease significantly in
importance.
Gene
----- Original Message -----


From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 1:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] firefox sort of fixed


Hi.

Ok, got an addon called download sound this works for downloads,
sadly I
don't get when sites open like navigation sounds, but if anything
else
the download sound is the important event sound is a bit loud
though.





.





Re: Unveiling Braille Me - World's Most Affordable Smart Braille Display

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

Ah I am with you now, cursor tracking would be essential for me too.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of erik burggraaf
Sent: 14 November 2017 15:22
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unveiling Braille Me - World's Most Affordable Smart Braille Display

Absolutely it does. But it doesn't have cursor tracking. At least I don't see how it can, since there are only six dots. DotsSeven and eight blink to show the position of the cursor in standard 8 dot Braille configurations. I could be totally wrong about this of course. Perhaps the entire letter blinks to show the position of the cursor. I feel pretty confident, but I suppose it was not safe to speculate without having seen the device in operation.


On November 14, 2017 10:12:33 AM "Angelo Sonnesso" <asonnesso@gmail.com> wrote:

It does have cursor routing buttons.

73 N2DYN Angelo

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of erik burggraaf
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 8:17 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unveiling Braille Me - World's Most Affordable Smart Braille Display

I think you have to look at it like this. When a Perkins brailler costs $800, and a refreshable braille display costs $400, the Braille display becomes instantly attractive in learning environments.

Cursor tracking would be nice, but six dots is all you need to start teaching people how to use the code. We streamlined learning of Braille into technology. We substantially reduce paper waste. We slash both the upfront and long-term cost, and we make Braille relevant to Consumers who would otherwise wonder why they are taking the time to learn it.

For myself, I really need 8 dot Computer Braille, and cursor tracking in my classes. So, this device will not be great for me; however, I think it's great that one of these is actually going to hit the market. I hope when they start recovering some of their R&D costs, they will expand the size, add the cursor tracking feature is, and make it a little bit more relevant to Advanced Braille users.


On November 14, 2017 7:29:01 AM "Steve Nutt" <steve@comproom.co.uk> wrote:

Hi,

Yeah eight dots isn't there, which makes it a bit half-baked, but it will be nice to have a cheaper option.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: 14 November 2017 09:16
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unveiling Braille Me - World's Most Affordable Smart Braille Display

Is this going to be another one like the last el cheapo one that everyone is still waiting to get?

Wee only six dots, I thought 8 was needed for computer Braille to allow info like cursor position etc.
Brian

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From: "Cristóbal" <crismunoz54@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 5:14 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unveiling Braille Me - World's Most Affordable Smart Braille Display


It literally says $399.00 in the original email message.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Ann Byrne
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 5:28 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unveiling Braille Me - World's Most Affordable
Smart Braille Display

How affordable is it???
At 07:17 AM 11/13/2017, you wrote:
Hi Josh,
I had been contacted by Shyam from Innovision a couple months ago with
regards to how adding support for a new Braille display driver works
in the case of NVDA. I had redirected Shyam to Jamie or Reef by
providing their e-mail addresses at that point in time. I am unaware
of whether or not he actually followed up with an NV Access staff
member, but what I can safely say is that supporting NVDA was very
much on their minds while developing this affordable Braille display.
Thanks.

On 11/13/17, Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@gmail.com> wrote:
will this display work with NVDA also?




-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: Unveiling Braille Me - World's Most Affordable Smart
Braille
Display
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 03:10:09 -0800
From: Innovision <shyam@innovisiontech.co>
To: joshknnd1982@gmail.com



Greetings from Innovision!
This email is in reply to the Pre-order interest survey that you or
a representative from your firm submitted (link -
https://tinyurl.com/BrailleMe-Survey
<https://innovisiontech-dot-yamm-track.appspot.com/Redirect?ukey=1faNF
NvnKA_
4Ij1SFgAV4lloCizIP-yQHxS_P4iDZetA-0&key=YAMMID-71407346&link=https%3A%
2F%2Ft
inyurl.com%2FBrailleMe-Survey>).


Thank you for showing your interest in Innovision
(www.innovisiontech.co
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F
NvnKA_4Ij1SFgAV4lloCizIP-yQHxS_P4iDZetA-0&key=YAMMID-71407346&link=ht
t
p%3A%2F%2Fwww.innovisiontech.co%2F>)

and our product, BrailleMe - a Smart Braille Display for the
visually impaired community.

I am excited to inform you that we are launching Braille Me,
world's most affordable smart braille display at USD 399/- on the
4th of January celebrating the World Braille Day. Let me give you
an overview of Braille Me.

About Braille Me -

Ever Since Louis Braille invented the wonderful script of Braille,
it has been adopted all across the globe empowering millions of
individuals. Today, after 200 years we are on the verge of a
revolution in Braille. Braille Me, is built to bring digital
braille to everyone immaterial of their geographical, economic or
lingual
background.

It has a six-dot 20-cell braille display, a Perkins-style keypad,
cursor routing buttons and few navigation keys. It has
capabilities to work as a stand-alone editor and also connect to
smartphones and computers via Bluetooth and USB. It is a balanced
device with core features of a complex notetaker while having the
simplicity of a braille
display.

Braille Me has become possible due to two breakthroughs in
Affordability and multi-language. Braille Me is designed with our
patented Braille cell technology which makes the device
cost-effective by an order of magnitude compared to existing
products and supports more than 40 languages spanning all across
the
globe.

To know more about Braille Me please check our demonstration video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fz1cUZcf-1A
<https://innovisiontech-dot-yamm-track.appspot.com/Redirect?ukey=1faN
F
NvnKA_4Ij1SFgAV4lloCizIP-yQHxS_P4iDZetA-0&key=YAMMID-71407346&link=ht
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Reaching out:

We are eager to serve you and look forward to engaging with you.
Currently, we are looking for partners who can help us in the
distribution and training in your state/country. Please let us know
if you are part of or are in touch with any Institute for Visually
impaired, commercial distributors of disability aids or NGOs
working in your area.
Your help in identifying key partners would go a long way in
expediting distribution of Braille Me in your locality.

We hope you would join us in this effort to bring digital braille
to every student and professional in need.
In case you have any queries, please feel free to reach out to our
team at customercare@innovisiontech.co
<mailto:info@innovisiontech.co> We look forward to hearing from you.
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Re: Unveiling Braille Me - World's Most Affordable Smart Braille Display

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

Cursor tracking as you call it, or routing, which I believe is the correct term, is in Braille Me.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of erik burggraaf
Sent: 14 November 2017 13:17
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unveiling Braille Me - World's Most Affordable Smart Braille Display

I think you have to look at it like this. When a Perkins brailler costs $800, and a refreshable braille display costs $400, the Braille display becomes instantly attractive in learning environments.

Cursor tracking would be nice, but six dots is all you need to start teaching people how to use the code. We streamlined learning of Braille into technology. We substantially reduce paper waste. We slash both the upfront and long-term cost, and we make Braille relevant to Consumers who would otherwise wonder why they are taking the time to learn it.

For myself, I really need 8 dot Computer Braille, and cursor tracking in my classes. So, this device will not be great for me; however, I think it's great that one of these is actually going to hit the market. I hope when they start recovering some of their R&D costs, they will expand the size, add the cursor tracking feature is, and make it a little bit more relevant to Advanced Braille users.


On November 14, 2017 7:29:01 AM "Steve Nutt" <steve@comproom.co.uk> wrote:

Hi,

Yeah eight dots isn't there, which makes it a bit half-baked, but it will be nice to have a cheaper option.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: 14 November 2017 09:16
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unveiling Braille Me - World's Most Affordable Smart Braille Display

Is this going to be another one like the last el cheapo one that everyone is still waiting to get?

Wee only six dots, I thought 8 was needed for computer Braille to allow info like cursor position etc.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Cristóbal" <crismunoz54@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 5:14 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unveiling Braille Me - World's Most Affordable Smart Braille Display


It literally says $399.00 in the original email message.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Ann Byrne
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 5:28 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unveiling Braille Me - World's Most Affordable
Smart Braille Display

How affordable is it???
At 07:17 AM 11/13/2017, you wrote:
Hi Josh,
I had been contacted by Shyam from Innovision a couple months ago with
regards to how adding support for a new Braille display driver works
in the case of NVDA. I had redirected Shyam to Jamie or Reef by
providing their e-mail addresses at that point in time. I am unaware
of whether or not he actually followed up with an NV Access staff
member, but what I can safely say is that supporting NVDA was very
much on their minds while developing this affordable Braille display.
Thanks.

On 11/13/17, Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@gmail.com> wrote:
will this display work with NVDA also?




-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: Unveiling Braille Me - World's Most Affordable Smart
Braille
Display
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 03:10:09 -0800
From: Innovision <shyam@innovisiontech.co>
To: joshknnd1982@gmail.com



Greetings from Innovision!
This email is in reply to the Pre-order interest survey that you or
a representative from your firm submitted (link -
https://tinyurl.com/BrailleMe-Survey
<https://innovisiontech-dot-yamm-track.appspot.com/Redirect?ukey=1faNF
NvnKA_
4Ij1SFgAV4lloCizIP-yQHxS_P4iDZetA-0&key=YAMMID-71407346&link=https%3A%
2F%2Ft
inyurl.com%2FBrailleMe-Survey>).


Thank you for showing your interest in Innovision
(www.innovisiontech.co
<https://innovisiontech-dot-yamm-track.appspot.com/Redirect?ukey=1faN
F
NvnKA_4Ij1SFgAV4lloCizIP-yQHxS_P4iDZetA-0&key=YAMMID-71407346&link=ht
t
p%3A%2F%2Fwww.innovisiontech.co%2F>)

and our product, BrailleMe - a Smart Braille Display for the
visually impaired community.

I am excited to inform you that we are launching Braille Me,
world's most affordable smart braille display at USD 399/- on the
4th of January celebrating the World Braille Day. Let me give you
an overview of Braille Me.

About Braille Me -

Ever Since Louis Braille invented the wonderful script of Braille,
it has been adopted all across the globe empowering millions of
individuals. Today, after 200 years we are on the verge of a
revolution in Braille. Braille Me, is built to bring digital
braille to everyone immaterial of their geographical, economic or
lingual
background.

It has a six-dot 20-cell braille display, a Perkins-style keypad,
cursor routing buttons and few navigation keys. It has
capabilities to work as a stand-alone editor and also connect to
smartphones and computers via Bluetooth and USB. It is a balanced
device with core features of a complex notetaker while having the
simplicity of a braille
display.

Braille Me has become possible due to two breakthroughs in
Affordability and multi-language. Braille Me is designed with our
patented Braille cell technology which makes the device
cost-effective by an order of magnitude compared to existing
products and supports more than 40 languages spanning all across
the
globe.

To know more about Braille Me please check our demonstration video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fz1cUZcf-1A
<https://innovisiontech-dot-yamm-track.appspot.com/Redirect?ukey=1faN
F
NvnKA_4Ij1SFgAV4lloCizIP-yQHxS_P4iDZetA-0&key=YAMMID-71407346&link=ht
t ps%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DFz1cUZcf-1A>

Also check out our facebook page:
https://www.facebook.com/InnovisionTechnologies/
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t ps%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2FInnovisionTechnologies%2F>

Reaching out:

We are eager to serve you and look forward to engaging with you.
Currently, we are looking for partners who can help us in the
distribution and training in your state/country. Please let us know
if you are part of or are in touch with any Institute for Visually
impaired, commercial distributors of disability aids or NGOs
working in your area.
Your help in identifying key partners would go a long way in
expediting distribution of Braille Me in your locality.

We hope you would join us in this effort to bring digital braille
to every student and professional in need.
In case you have any queries, please feel free to reach out to our
team at customercare@innovisiontech.co
<mailto:info@innovisiontech.co> We look forward to hearing from you.
--
Warm Regards
Shyam Shah
CEO & Co-founder
INNOVISION
www.innovisiontech.co
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F
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Re: Can I shorten pauses following punctuation?

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

What synth are you using?

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ann
Byrne
Sent: 14 November 2017 13:02
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Can I shorten pauses following punctuation?

NVDA's response is crisp and accurate when I move from line to line
or application to application. However, when I read a document the pause
before the next word is longer than I would like. Is there a place in the
settings to shorten the pause?

Thanks,

Ann


Re: NVDA and Firefox 57

Dejan Ristic
 

Do you manage to make it work with youtube? When I tried it today, it bugged my machine up, and made me to shut it up as was not recommended to start it again to get myself out of the bug-up situation. Then,  tried some simpler sites to check whether it would be the same, and found out that it worked good.


I use Windows 7, 64bit with NVDA 2017.3.


Firefox version, latest.


Do you think that I may enable and/or disable some security and/or accessibility features to make it easier for my Firefox to deal with more complicated sites such as youtube, FB, and some pronounciation-providing dictionaries? I am ready to disable all the security features and be as vulnerable as possible to any sort of attacks so as to make it go as smoothly as possible because the sites I visit are 100% risk free.


Thankful in advance,


Dejan

On 14/11/2017 19:04, Don H wrote:
I am finding that NVDA 2017-3 works just fine with Firefox version 57.



.


Re: Unveiling Braille Me - World's Most Affordable Smart Braille Display

David <trailerdavid@...>
 

A couple of days ago, I aired some of my initial thoughts on the new
BrailleMe display. Amongst these, was the disappointment I instantly
felt, when learning it only holds 6-dots. I do see numerous responses,
and perhaps my feelings came across the wrong way. So may I be allowed
to take your next couple of minutes, in elaborating a tiny bit on my
reflections?

First of all, as several of you have pointed out, it is great news if
any of all the
    "We have made a low-cost device"
products, finally is going to hit the market. Too many claim to have
things developed, and we hardly ever see them. People tell us that
thingss are just around the corner, and sometimes you wonder if that is
another technique of holding other developers outside the very idea of
hitting the market with anything competing. So by all means, if they are
ready to release the product, and if 6-dot Braille was all they could
come up with right now, nothing is better than
    Get That Product Out The Door.

My guess is that the market is high over-time awaiting a product that
challenges the high-cost products. And for many this might be the very
thing that will introduce them to the electronic Braille world. As such,
we all welcome the product.

Then, one of you compared it to a 6-dot Perkins Brailler, and lined up
the benefits of the BrailleMe display. I have no trouble in following,
and pretty well backing, those arguments. We could of course argue the
fact, that other mechanical Braille machines already have introduced
their 8-dot versions. But we will leave that out of the scope for now.

If all you want to do with your new Braille device, is to write and read
SMS, Email or books and documents - well I guess a 6-dot display will be
allright. Done the right way, provided the necessary drivers, the touch
and experience of it all, will be not too far from what you are
comfortable with from your paper-books. You will still have dot 6,
indicating that the next character is an upper-case. Your dots 3, 4, 5
and 6, indicates that here comes a character that is not to be read as
the letter C, but rather represents the number 3. All in all, totally
familiar, and fully doable.

Yet, the Braille display soon will get outranged, should you want more
advanced and complete performance. OK, I do agree, in such cases even
the fact of only 20 cells, might put this unit out of question anyway,
so why bother. But say you are on a low budget, you decide that all you
can afford is a 20 celler, and hence you pick up the BrailleMe. Of
course, you don't want to end up in a month's time, realizeing that you
would have been better off digging up another 50 dollars or so, bringing
you a device that more was in line with the actual needs. And that is
why, I do wonder why they did not throw in the two extra dots. Would it
have complicated the product? Raised the pricing drastically? Lengthened
the launching time? Or, was it just that they forgot to think one step
further? I am not to criticize, I just was letting out my initial
reflections.

6, or 8 dots? Sure, many of you might decide it does not matter for your
activity. Like I already stated, if all you need is to read and write
simple text, you will be fine with the 6 dots. One of you, reflected one
of my thoughts:
    How is it going to represent the cursor?

I do remember one of my first displays - back in the 80's - which
represented the cursor by a full cell (all dots). You then had to press
a dedicated key on the display, to kind of "lift away" the cursor, to
see the actuall character in that cell. Doable, most definitely, but not
exactly highly productive. Then I got in touch with a display that
indicated the cursor, by making the character pop up and down, also
known as blinking. My experience, and that of many newly blinded
(low-effecient Braille readers), was that this made it hard to read the
actual character. Sure, the blinking rate could be somehow adjusted, and
enough training, you were able to operate the display well enough.

My next display, had the dot 8 blinking, to indicate the cursor. Some
displays those days used the 7 and 8, either constantly showing up, or
blinking - to tell you where to find the cursor. Point is, there's been
numerous ways of representing the cursor symbol on different displays
and models. I do wish, the company would have let us know - for instance
through the video - how they have solved this kind of issue. Or, how
about releasing the user's manual for the product, to let the user know
what to expect. As things stand, all we can do is speculate; and wait.
And likely we will have some surprise. Smiles.

Do i deem this unit out and down? NO!
Do I tell it to be lacking effeciency? Well, to a certain degree - based
on what we know.
Do I think it will be of great benefit to many, even being operable
despite its lacks? Sure, and for all those, congratulations you finally
can be welcomed among the electronic Braille users; a world that will
reveal numerous new chances for you.
Finally, do I consider getting hold of one of these units myself? Yeah,
why not? It might be handy in many situations.

Yet, for a complete daily, and all stand-alone usage, I would think this
to be a too simple equipment. As I pointed out earlier, the moment you
want to ensure your text is correctly lined up, the instant you need to
read a specialized computer character or symbol - you will fall short
with 6 dots. Even in a teaching situation. Let's just spend one minute
in showing what would happen.

The teacher is to tell you how to enter a direct link to a file on your
system. As you all know, we have the backslash, splitting the different
parts (folders) of a file location. The teacher will keep talking about the
    "Backslash Character".
The blind person, though, will keep seeing two characters, and might
eventually figure this is what the teacher is talking about. Fine, no
problem, long as the teacher would be aware of the fact, and inform the
user right away. In a blind class, or with educated and pre-informed
teachers, all of this is no barrier at all. We do it all the time, when
teaching you how to write numbers and mathematics in 6-dot Braille.

Still, how many times do you think I have benefitted from sighted
friends, colleagues or schoolmates, helping me out when something
appearing on the screen bewilders me. Even many a time, I have had to
receive help over the phone. These people will not know, or even
comprehend the fact that Braille will need several characters to display
one symbol or icon. For me, who was introduced to computers in the
stone-age, and who has tutored a number of today's blind computer
personel, it is well enough. But I also see that a number of my students
would have got frustrated by having to figure what people were talking
about, when it does not have a distinguished representation on their
Braille unit. My wish for an 8-dot unit, hence is based on a wish for as
smooth an experience as possible.

So then, when do I see this kind of a unit being beneficial, even with
its current configuration?
Let me get my hands on it first, and I will tell you in its full terms.
For now, I do see a great benefit when comes to reading and writing SMS
on my cell phone. I do see it as a great unit, for simple and short
operation of my computer, like reading short mails, or looking up short
notes. Or, how about using it for smaller corrections of my constantly
mis-typed words. And if this is all I can afford, I guess I can learn to
live with it. Even the fact of it being small and hopefully
light-weighted, might be great news, comes to bringing it along for
meetings and travelling.

As for long-term usage, like reading this very message that I now am
composing, I do hold either a full-sized, full-fledged Braille display -
or the speech capability of my computer - will be a better choice; long
as the user could afford such solutions.

In summary, I welcome the BrailleMe unit as a low-cost supplement in my
daily activity. I do sincerely hope it will prove beneficial for those
who could not afford better, and I really hope it will open the doors
for many around the globe, who simply have no other choices. All I now
am anticipating, is the very release of this unit. Let's then, just hope
it is robust, and can with-stand actual usage in all climates, and from
users in all ages. Really hope for it not to be a fragile "don't use me
for anything" product. Have seen certain products with keypads that stop
working after a week, or batteries that will drain when not in use - all
that kind of sillinesses. Given it is a real work-horse, and they have
come up with functional, productively effecient ways of representing all
symbols in today's computerized environment, I really am excited to hold
one of them in my hand. And with less greedy dealers, it might well
enough be within the reach of everyone.

Welcome onboard!

On 11/14/2017 4:22 PM, erik burggraaf wrote:
Absolutely it does. But it doesn't have cursor tracking. At least I
don't see how it can, since there are only six dots.  DotsSeven and
eight blink to show the position of the cursor in standard 8 dot
Braille configurations.  I could be totally wrong about this of
course. Perhaps the entire letter blinks to show the position of the
cursor. I feel pretty confident, but I suppose it was not safe to
speculate without having seen the device in operation.


On November 14, 2017 10:12:33 AM "Angelo Sonnesso"
<asonnesso@gmail.com> wrote:

It does have cursor routing buttons.

73 N2DYN Angelo

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Unveiling Braille Me - World's Most Affordable
Smart Braille Display

I think you have to look at it like this. When a Perkins brailler
costs $800, and a refreshable braille display costs $400, the Braille
display becomes instantly attractive in learning environments.

Cursor tracking would be nice, but six dots is all you need to start
teaching people how to use the code. We streamlined learning of
Braille into technology. We substantially reduce paper waste. We slash
both the upfront and long-term cost, and we make Braille relevant to
Consumers who would otherwise wonder why they are taking the time to
learn it.

For myself, I really need 8 dot Computer Braille, and cursor tracking
in my classes. So, this device will not be great for me; however, I
think it's great that one of these is actually going to hit the
market. I hope when they start recovering some of their R&D costs,
they will expand the size, add the cursor tracking feature is, and
make it a little bit more relevant to Advanced Braille users.


On November 14, 2017 7:29:01 AM "Steve Nutt" <steve@comproom.co.uk>
wrote:

Hi,

Yeah eight dots isn't there, which makes it a bit half-baked, but it
will be nice to have a cheaper option.

All the best

Steve

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Unveiling Braille Me - World's Most Affordable
Smart Braille Display

Is this going to be another one like the last el cheapo one that
everyone is still waiting to get?

Wee only six dots,  I thought 8 was needed for computer Braille to
allow info like cursor position etc.
Brian

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Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 5:14 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unveiling Braille Me - World's Most Affordable
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It literally says $399.00 in the original email message.

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Ann Byrne
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 5:28 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unveiling Braille Me - World's Most Affordable
Smart Braille Display

How affordable is it???
At 07:17 AM 11/13/2017, you wrote:
Hi Josh,
I had been contacted by Shyam from Innovision a couple months ago with
regards to how adding support for a new Braille display driver works
in the case of NVDA. I had redirected Shyam to Jamie or Reef by
providing their e-mail addresses at that point in time. I am unaware
of whether or not he actually followed up with an NV Access staff
member, but what I can safely say is that supporting NVDA was very
much on their minds while developing this affordable Braille display.
Thanks.

On 11/13/17, Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@gmail.com> wrote:
will this display work with NVDA also?




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Re: Can I shorten pauses following punctuation?

Ann Byrne
 

Point well taken. thanks.


Ann
rote:

Hey.
I asked about something like this a week or two ago when I first joined the
list. Are you using the Microsoft voices? If so, they insert long pauses
after periods and commas -- the former, especially. There is no
configuration setting to change this and it isn't a nVDA issue. You will
have to modify the .ini file for the voice you use. I don't know if this is
exactly your problem. The person who wrote this blog is on this list, and he
pointed me here:
https://tspivey.wordpress.com/2017/09/10/speeding-up-the-microsoft-onecore-v
oices-in-windows-10/

The .ini file I had to modify is not exactly the same one as shown here.
However you should be able to find it, wherever it is on your system.



-----Original Message-----
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Byrne
Sent: November 14, 2017 8:02 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Can I shorten pauses following punctuation?

NVDA's response is crisp and accurate when I move from line to line
or application to application. However, when I read a document the pause
before the next word is longer than I would like. Is there a place in the
settings to shorten the pause?

Thanks,

Ann






Re: Help with screen review command, please.

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


it depends on the program used. Some times you might have to use screen review commands along with review text commands. if it does not work that way object navigation will do the trick.


You may also need to know the mouse commands to route the mouse to that position.


The sections in the user manual are between 5 and 6 I think about 5.5 which covers screen review, object navigation etc.


Gene nz



On 11/15/2017 12:05 AM, Lisa P Geibel wrote:
Hi all,

How can you activate something when you land on it. This is an issue I'm having and can't figure it out. I unfortunately have to resort to the use of JAWS for this as I can route the JAWS cursor to the PC cursor, then hit the left mouse key twice to activate it. Is there a way to do this with NVDA?

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On 11/13/17 8:56 PM, Tyler Spivey wrote:
Shift numpad7 and shift numpad3 are what you want.
On 11/13/2017 5:45 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
So basically, the question is, how to move to the top left corner of the screen within screen review, and then, how to move to the end of the current line within review mode's focus.








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Re: firefox what was the fuss exactly?

Gene
 

There are some sounds that are important because you can't get information efficiently about something such as a USB connection in other ways.  I may not have made it as clear as I should have in my first message, but I'm talking specifically about sounds in contexts such as browser sounds, where the information can be efficiently gotten in other ways.  There are advantages and disadvantages in various browsers but making whether sounds are available in a browser be a very important factor in determining whether to use that browser is, in my opinion, emphasizing sounds that are optional to a far more central position than they should be. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 1:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox what was the fuss exactly?

            I think that the reason that some blind people like sounds is it gives us a indacation of what's going on just like the sighted can see at glance.  It's like windows sounds.  We have the windows music to let us know that our computer is on.  We have other windows sounds like the sound we hear when we plug a thumbdrive in or unplug it.  If we did not hear this sound we would think that there is a problem but if there was no sound then how would we know that there was a problem.  Sounds may not be necessary but they can really help us greatly to know what is happening.  I don't have my sounds on in my webie brouser but I would not fault somone if they did.  I do think that it's important to a sound for down loads because if there is a problem with your internet connection then you would know.  Again the sighted can just look but we can't.  Alot of people don't have good internet and it can and does loose connection quite frequently.

Brian Sackrider


On 11/14/2017 9:04 AM, Gene wrote:
I want to make my position clear and discuss another aspect of the current situation in this rather long message.
 
If people want to use sounds, there is nothing wrong with that but you don't need them and my position is that being so dependent on them that you make that a major determining factor on what browser to use is being too dependent.  That's my position.  I didn't say they are worthless nor that people shouldn't use them.  I'm talking about being too dependent on one aspect of a program when that aspect isn't central to the program and when there may be better programs in general that don't have this specific characteristic.
I'm saying that if someone considers sounds in browsers to be so important that that is a major factor in deciding what browser to use, I consider that to be too dependent.  There are other efficient ways to tell things when using a browser.  If a page hasn't loaded, you can't move around.  Tabbing or down arrowing once or twice will tell you.  I'm not saying, as you said, that they are pointless.  I'm saying that almost anything sounds do, can be either efficiently inferred or checked by other methods and that changing from one browser to another based either only or largely on sounds, is making this one characteristic of a browser too important. 
 
I don't want my position to be misunderstood.  If people want to use sounds, then that's fine;  I'm saying that dependence on them to an excessive degree is not desirable if it leads to decisions on what programs to use in a certain class when trying to decide between program a and b that do roughly the same thing.  Browsers have various advantages and disadvantages and sound is only one aspect of a program. 
Also, the changes being made in firefox, according to a review I've read, make it even faster than Chrome.  It isn't much faster, at least now, and I don't think it matters but if people read the article about these changes posted last week from Marco's Accessibility blog, these changes may result in screen-readers being far more capable to work on complex pages that have embedded programs or where the pages are far more interactive than traditional web pages, and that increasing numbers of web pages are, and will be more complex over time.  Therefore, I find the attitude of blaming Mozilla for what it says it intends to be only a temporary loss of performance for blind users, and writing as though they are going to permanently use a different browser without even seeing the results of the work being done is disturbing.  At the moment, Chrome may be better than Firefoxs in its latest version because of the changes.  But blind people may be better served by what Mozilla is doing after the initial inconvenience. 
 
How often do sighted people complain about things like road construction and repair, but would they never use the road again because of the temporary inconvenience?  They may use a different road during the repairs and the road may even be closed at times, but they return to it when it is in good order again.
 
Gene
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Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 3:11 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox what was the fuss exactly?

Well the beta I tried simply refused to say anything but unknown on any
page, though most of the menus still worked.

I'm not inclined to update since I use the sound, particularly the one when
a page has fully loaded and the one that tells me a link has in fact
activated and of course download complete


I have seen elsewhere where people think these sounds are pointless. I
dispute this as everyone is different and I really only use browsers where I
can actually hear that things are going on. for example I've always noticed
that screenreaders sometimes do not figure out the page has loaded, but
navigational sounds does and hence allows me to re focus the screenreader.
 Also I would not know if a download had completed if the download pane was
hidden without a sound.
 Some links click but clickables do not so sometimes you can figure out what
is which sort of link on a page this way. In a way it would be even better
if button link and clickable had different sounds to save one getting
confused.

I think the list of things some of us want in a browser is obviously going
to be different to what the sighted want, so one will really need somebody
at Mozilla etc to write blind specific add ons for a browser.
 Its far easier when trying to teach somebody how to use a browser to be
able to say, if you do not hear x then its not worked.
 Brian

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From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 6:42 PM
Subject: [nvda] firefox what was the fuss exactly?


> Hi.
>
> Well While brousing firefox ftp today I decided to try firefox 57 as it
> was on releases today.
>
> What exactly was the fuss?
>
> Firefox interface loads fast, no lag, but I havn't tried big sites maybe a
> couple seconds for audiogames forum.
>
> Addons, noscript, aparently this will not work till actual release of
> firefox.
>
> Navigational sounds.
>
> I am trying to find a replacement, the author of this said that because
> the new interface doesn't allow for registry access one can't get the list
> of events to do things with.
>
> I tried 3 of them so far.
>
> Notification sound, noise and download sound.
>
> Download sound has no options or rather any way I can configure it to
> suit.
>
> Noise has options but there are no default events set and I tried to add
> what I wanted and define its sounds but I can't set values and going to
> its website found that while there is a web version all features are
> basically not there.
>
> Notification sound is another, but its got no options screen.
>
> Something like noise would be fine if it had an default event list which
> just used the windows schemes directly to the files etc.
>
> I only need web navigation start and end, and download complete as a
> start.
>
> If there was a way I could easily add events, or something that would be
> good but I'd like a list for beginners I could import.
>
> Over those though, I did notice and turn on the extra privacy protection,
> I have left active the unwanted software protection but I heard from some
> that this can cause problems.
>
> I also read the article about accessibility services and how they can be
> misused.
>
> It does say if you have a compatible jaws or nvda active on your system
> that you should leave this active.
>
> This is interesting, dolphin stuff is not on this list it makes me wander,
> while I do use dolphin stuff myself for things their web stuff is only for
> ie and ie 6-8 mainly.
>
> Still its an observation only.
>
> I must say off the bat what I really like about firefox are the easy
> option layouts, I just wish there was a way to extend them to well have
> extras for addons rather than mucking about with the manager.
>
> I do like the fact you can have arrow navigation on.
>
> I did get noscript revived but when I hit a site with scripts on it never
> actually notified me at all.
>
> I guess I have to fiddle with it, I do hope thatnoscript does go out and
> get released.
>
> Today is the 14th in nz and tomorrow it will be 14th in us and so, I am
> probably going to have to keep firefox 57 loaded though I am tempted to
> drop back to 56.02 for now and get my sounds back.
>
>
>
>
>





Re: firefox what was the fuss exactly?

 

Well if it comes to that, then as a blind person I will have to use an unsecured brouser.

Firefox 56 with noscript can be secure enough its a pitty that it will be not secure but well.

Lets hope that both makers and access tech upgrades to the new technologies and can use them.

Chrome is allready using web extentions the only issue I have with chrome are some dialogs for their security screens.

I also don't care for the multiple clickables meaning I have to just not do anything about that.

On 15/11/2017 7:19 a.m., Gene wrote:
It isn't just a question of security and I don't know enough about the technical aspects of security to comment on that regarding screen-readers.

But the statement from Mozilla, reproduced in Marco's Accessibility Blog, makes it clear that many changes are to deal efficiently with web pages that are increasingly interactive and complex. An important reason changes are being made regarding accessibility is because of the changes in web page design that have and are occurring as the Internet takes on more complex functions. Indeed, it looks to me as though Chrome will have to do the same sorts of things at some point and that one reason Edge was inaccessible after its release is because these sorts of changes are already built into the browser, although someone who knows more than my very slight bit of reading on the subject I did may correct or modify what I'm saying.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 12:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox what was the fuss exactly?


Well for security reasons you may have to but to be honest, I agree, the
new firefox engine secure as it is means a lot of stuff we are used to
is gone and a few more niggles.

I'd actually prefur if they just kept 56.x secured as it is.

Chrome was the quickest way for me to stay secure and in business.

However if I didn't care firefox 56 would have been what I do.

Ofcause if I could fine a way without doodling with complex addons to
make my ff 52 broadcast a firefox 56 or higher on some sites then I'd
have no issue with it.

I still prefur firefox to chrome for its ease of use but they are going
to make it newer so.

To be honest if mozilla do what they say they are doing I do hope
something comes up next year, if firefox gets better then maybe I switch
back to firefox.




On 14/11/2017 10:11 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Well the beta I tried simply refused to say anything but unknown on
any page, though most of the menus still worked.

I'm not inclined to update since I use the sound, particularly the one
when a page has fully loaded and the one that tells me a link has in
fact activated and of course download complete


I have seen elsewhere where people think these sounds are pointless. I
dispute this as everyone is different and I really only use browsers
where I can actually hear that things are going on. for example I've
always noticed that screenreaders sometimes do not figure out the page
has loaded, but navigational sounds does and hence allows me to re
focus the screenreader.
Also I would not know if a download had completed if the download pane
was hidden without a sound.
Some links click but clickables do not so sometimes you can figure out
what is which sort of link on a page this way. In a way it would be
even better if button link and clickable had different sounds to save
one getting confused.

I think the list of things some of us want in a browser is obviously
going to be different to what the sighted want, so one will really
need somebody at Mozilla etc to write blind specific add ons for a
browser.
Its far easier when trying to teach somebody how to use a browser to
be able to say, if you do not hear x then its not worked.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 6:42 PM
Subject: [nvda] firefox what was the fuss exactly?


Hi.

Well While brousing firefox ftp today I decided to try firefox 57 as
it was on releases today.

What exactly was the fuss?

Firefox interface loads fast, no lag, but I havn't tried big sites
maybe a couple seconds for audiogames forum.

Addons, noscript, aparently this will not work till actual release of
firefox.

Navigational sounds.

I am trying to find a replacement, the author of this said that
because the new interface doesn't allow for registry access one can't
get the list of events to do things with.

I tried 3 of them so far.

Notification sound, noise and download sound.

Download sound has no options or rather any way I can configure it to
suit.

Noise has options but there are no default events set and I tried to
add what I wanted and define its sounds but I can't set values and
going to its website found that while there is a web version all
features are basically not there.

Notification sound is another, but its got no options screen.

Something like noise would be fine if it had an default event list
which just used the windows schemes directly to the files etc.

I only need web navigation start and end, and download complete as a
start.

If there was a way I could easily add events, or something that would
be good but I'd like a list for beginners I could import.

Over those though, I did notice and turn on the extra privacy
protection, I have left active the unwanted software protection but I
heard from some that this can cause problems.

I also read the article about accessibility services and how they can
be misused.

It does say if you have a compatible jaws or nvda active on your
system that you should leave this active.

This is interesting, dolphin stuff is not on this list it makes me
wander, while I do use dolphin stuff myself for things their web
stuff is only for ie and ie 6-8 mainly.

Still its an observation only.

I must say off the bat what I really like about firefox are the easy
option layouts, I just wish there was a way to extend them to well
have extras for addons rather than mucking about with the manager.

I do like the fact you can have arrow navigation on.

I did get noscript revived but when I hit a site with scripts on it
never actually notified me at all.

I guess I have to fiddle with it, I do hope thatnoscript does go out
and get released.

Today is the 14th in nz and tomorrow it will be 14th in us and so, I
am probably going to have to keep firefox 57 loaded though I am
tempted to drop back to 56.02 for now and get my sounds back.






.


Re: nvda and chrome reader mode

 

I take this another way.

I don't care if google snoops.

My deal is this, bar their device and some pro business and translation services, google has not charged any of its users cash.

And well all those services have to cost something, my privacy?

For the sheer amount of service I get with no fee what so ever and as long as I continue with the amount of service I recieve, and more in the future, I have no issue with them using my data even for adds.

I have issues with getting ripped off with little to show for my info.

Ms was good at one stage but well they are ms, amazon do not support paypal and well I use some of their stuff.

Apple reduced some services, aol, well aol services are pritty much gone to the dogs now.

Then yahoo, yahoo could have been good if their security track wasn't so poor period.

Google, lets see what I use myself, mail, weather, news, maps, gps, their android os for the family, maps streets, calendar translation, and earth view all those just from what I can remember, oh and photos, drive for some of the family.

All those for, lets see, free 0 cash.

So they sell my information, big deal, I don't know if I would pay for mail, again isp mail, ewww yuck.

I know there are other services the point is 99.9% of all google services is for no dollar value.

Google snoops, big deal, google sells, big deal, governments use google well who doesn't.

Now its not imune from things but google is one of the big brands and it just works for the most part even descussion groups.

On 15/11/2017 7:10 a.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Is Chrome at all invasive, ie does it snoop being written by Google I'd be a bit suspicious of this.

I just could not get the hang of chrome but if Firefox remains busted after the esr of 52 expires it may be the only game in town with a realistic attitude to us blindies.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 5:57 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda and chrome reader mode


My issue is with extention add and remove and security windows for bt sync and my router.

I got my router and printer set but it just won't accept my locally connect resilio server which is fine I just use ie.

The thing is though this never had me have an issue with firefox.

Sometimes it tries to predict what I want to do with a link, when I right click it.

There are waaay to many clickable clickable clickables for my liking so I had to set an app config with that off.

These alone will not get me to switch back.

It starting slow on first run on system start and the fact while running windows update seems to error out while the brouser is running is still not going to stop me either.

However, all those added up, to be honest if firefox noscript comes back, dispite the issues 57 has, heck I may wait for 59 but once ff is stable enough, I am tempted to go back.

The security dialogs are the biggest thing for me, chrome dropps into a mode and any keys I hit just say unknown there is probably a keyboard shortcut to allow stuff through but it just won't let me do it.

It may mean I just get an outdated firefox 56.02 or something for things that don't work as well with chrome.

One thing noscript did was make sites like twitter easier to work with.

One thing chrome does is sync all passwords to my cloud which means 1 login only and the fact it knows what I do.

But there are little pieces of the interface I just don't care for.

Its a pitty the new skype app is not like chrome itself.

One thing both microsoft and firefox could do off the bat is what chrome does with accessability.

A dedicated access menu and section on the google store, sure chromevox is a bit of a gimic but the rest, there are a lot of options there is probably an accessible theme but I havn't gone that far.

I was able to get just about everything except noscript working on chrome, I have a good download sound addon and a good sfx webpage navigation addon.

Mozilla firefox has none of these and well its even better than what I had using windows sounds.

To be honest if I do go back to firefox unless anything changes it will have to be some version of 56, 57 has a lot of issues with its configuration.

Google has issues with extentions but I can get past that, and security dialogs well I'd really like to see if these can be handled somehow even if there is something to process them outside chrome.




On 14/11/2017 9:44 p.m., Steve Nutt wrote:
Hi,


I’ve liked Chrome a lot better for a long while, and it’s faster too.


All the best


Steve


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: 13 November 2017 23:38
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] nvda and chrome reader mode


hi

If you use chrome. then you want an addon or extension obtained from chrome webstore, called

murcury reader.

and you activate it by pressing alt grave accent, sometimes called single quote. to the left of number 1 on the top number row. this brings up a new window with a close murcury reader at the top and the article nicely formatted without links and ads and video clutter is down below. I am really starting to like chrome more than I like firefox right now. It's really fast and the free murcury reader addon lets me read articles without clutter. murcury reader also has a button that lets you send any web article directly to an amazon kindle if you have one. It's quite nice. now if we get NVDA working good in chrome with google docs sheets and slides that would be good.


Josh






Re: Help with screen review command, please.

Adriani Botez
 

Sorry I forgot to mention that.

Best
Adriani


Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 14.11.2017 um 19:12 schrieb Gene <gsasner@...>:

You appear to be discussing the laptop layout.  I don't use it but from very briefly looking at the keys reference, it appears that that is what you are using.  It is important to state the keyboard layout being used in descriptions.
 
The desktop uses the numpad and at times insert, either insert, do do what you are discussing.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 11:47 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Help with screen review command, please.

In screen review you must navigate with the arrow keys to the piece of text and press enter. If you mean object navigation, there you have to press nvda +  shift + m to move the mouse to the object you want and press left mouse click to activate it. It is very useful in partly inaccessible programs. I use both screen review and object navigation very often.

In object navigation you must know that objects contain other objects. So for example if you go in outlook in the object today you will navigate with right arrow between your messages of today. If you press up arrow, then you come back to the object today. At this point when you press right you land on the object yesterday for example. Press down and you can navigate between the messages of yesterday and so on and so on. It works similarly in status bar, ribbon, nenu bars and other.


Best
Adriani
 
Von meinem iPhone gesendet

> Am 14.11.2017 um 12:05 schrieb Lisa P Geibel <lisapgeibel429@...>:
>
> Hi all,
>
> How can you activate something when you land on it. This is an issue I'm having and can't figure it out. I unfortunately have to resort to the use of JAWS for this as I can route the JAWS cursor to the PC cursor, then hit the left mouse key twice to activate it. Is there a way to do this with NVDA?
>
> Lisa lisapgeibel429@... Facebook: http://facebook.com/ldporter1 Twitter: http://twitter.com/LisaLisa429 Live Wire Plus box where you can hear the breaking TV News line with bulletin board 164 or leave a voice mail message with option 1 917-259-1911 Press 4 once you've dialed in to access the bulletin boards or you can access my tree with option 5 and hear our wedding from there with option 2 May YHWH bless everyone!!!
>> On 11/13/17 8:56 PM, Tyler Spivey wrote:
>> Shift numpad7 and shift numpad3 are what you want.
>>> On 11/13/2017 5:45 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>>> So basically, the question is, how to move to the top left corner of the screen within screen review, and then, how to move to the end of the current line within review mode's focus.
>>
>>
>
>
>
>




Re: firefox what was the fuss exactly?

brian <sackriderbrian45@...>
 

            I think that the reason that some blind people like sounds is it gives us a indacation of what's going on just like the sighted can see at glance.  It's like windows sounds.  We have the windows music to let us know that our computer is on.  We have other windows sounds like the sound we hear when we plug a thumbdrive in or unplug it.  If we did not hear this sound we would think that there is a problem but if there was no sound then how would we know that there was a problem.  Sounds may not be necessary but they can really help us greatly to know what is happening.  I don't have my sounds on in my webie brouser but I would not fault somone if they did.  I do think that it's important to a sound for down loads because if there is a problem with your internet connection then you would know.  Again the sighted can just look but we can't.  Alot of people don't have good internet and it can and does loose connection quite frequently.

Brian Sackrider


On 11/14/2017 9:04 AM, Gene wrote:
I want to make my position clear and discuss another aspect of the current situation in this rather long message.
 
If people want to use sounds, there is nothing wrong with that but you don't need them and my position is that being so dependent on them that you make that a major determining factor on what browser to use is being too dependent.  That's my position.  I didn't say they are worthless nor that people shouldn't use them.  I'm talking about being too dependent on one aspect of a program when that aspect isn't central to the program and when there may be better programs in general that don't have this specific characteristic.
I'm saying that if someone considers sounds in browsers to be so important that that is a major factor in deciding what browser to use, I consider that to be too dependent.  There are other efficient ways to tell things when using a browser.  If a page hasn't loaded, you can't move around.  Tabbing or down arrowing once or twice will tell you.  I'm not saying, as you said, that they are pointless.  I'm saying that almost anything sounds do, can be either efficiently inferred or checked by other methods and that changing from one browser to another based either only or largely on sounds, is making this one characteristic of a browser too important. 
 
I don't want my position to be misunderstood.  If people want to use sounds, then that's fine;  I'm saying that dependence on them to an excessive degree is not desirable if it leads to decisions on what programs to use in a certain class when trying to decide between program a and b that do roughly the same thing.  Browsers have various advantages and disadvantages and sound is only one aspect of a program. 
Also, the changes being made in firefox, according to a review I've read, make it even faster than Chrome.  It isn't much faster, at least now, and I don't think it matters but if people read the article about these changes posted last week from Marco's Accessibility blog, these changes may result in screen-readers being far more capable to work on complex pages that have embedded programs or where the pages are far more interactive than traditional web pages, and that increasing numbers of web pages are, and will be more complex over time.  Therefore, I find the attitude of blaming Mozilla for what it says it intends to be only a temporary loss of performance for blind users, and writing as though they are going to permanently use a different browser without even seeing the results of the work being done is disturbing.  At the moment, Chrome may be better than Firefoxs in its latest version because of the changes.  But blind people may be better served by what Mozilla is doing after the initial inconvenience. 
 
How often do sighted people complain about things like road construction and repair, but would they never use the road again because of the temporary inconvenience?  They may use a different road during the repairs and the road may even be closed at times, but they return to it when it is in good order again.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 3:11 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox what was the fuss exactly?

Well the beta I tried simply refused to say anything but unknown on any
page, though most of the menus still worked.

I'm not inclined to update since I use the sound, particularly the one when
a page has fully loaded and the one that tells me a link has in fact
activated and of course download complete


I have seen elsewhere where people think these sounds are pointless. I
dispute this as everyone is different and I really only use browsers where I
can actually hear that things are going on. for example I've always noticed
that screenreaders sometimes do not figure out the page has loaded, but
navigational sounds does and hence allows me to re focus the screenreader.
 Also I would not know if a download had completed if the download pane was
hidden without a sound.
 Some links click but clickables do not so sometimes you can figure out what
is which sort of link on a page this way. In a way it would be even better
if button link and clickable had different sounds to save one getting
confused.

I think the list of things some of us want in a browser is obviously going
to be different to what the sighted want, so one will really need somebody
at Mozilla etc to write blind specific add ons for a browser.
 Its far easier when trying to teach somebody how to use a browser to be
able to say, if you do not hear x then its not worked.
 Brian

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From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 6:42 PM
Subject: [nvda] firefox what was the fuss exactly?


> Hi.
>
> Well While brousing firefox ftp today I decided to try firefox 57 as it
> was on releases today.
>
> What exactly was the fuss?
>
> Firefox interface loads fast, no lag, but I havn't tried big sites maybe a
> couple seconds for audiogames forum.
>
> Addons, noscript, aparently this will not work till actual release of
> firefox.
>
> Navigational sounds.
>
> I am trying to find a replacement, the author of this said that because
> the new interface doesn't allow for registry access one can't get the list
> of events to do things with.
>
> I tried 3 of them so far.
>
> Notification sound, noise and download sound.
>
> Download sound has no options or rather any way I can configure it to
> suit.
>
> Noise has options but there are no default events set and I tried to add
> what I wanted and define its sounds but I can't set values and going to
> its website found that while there is a web version all features are
> basically not there.
>
> Notification sound is another, but its got no options screen.
>
> Something like noise would be fine if it had an default event list which
> just used the windows schemes directly to the files etc.
>
> I only need web navigation start and end, and download complete as a
> start.
>
> If there was a way I could easily add events, or something that would be
> good but I'd like a list for beginners I could import.
>
> Over those though, I did notice and turn on the extra privacy protection,
> I have left active the unwanted software protection but I heard from some
> that this can cause problems.
>
> I also read the article about accessibility services and how they can be
> misused.
>
> It does say if you have a compatible jaws or nvda active on your system
> that you should leave this active.
>
> This is interesting, dolphin stuff is not on this list it makes me wander,
> while I do use dolphin stuff myself for things their web stuff is only for
> ie and ie 6-8 mainly.
>
> Still its an observation only.
>
> I must say off the bat what I really like about firefox are the easy
> option layouts, I just wish there was a way to extend them to well have
> extras for addons rather than mucking about with the manager.
>
> I do like the fact you can have arrow navigation on.
>
> I did get noscript revived but when I hit a site with scripts on it never
> actually notified me at all.
>
> I guess I have to fiddle with it, I do hope thatnoscript does go out and
> get released.
>
> Today is the 14th in nz and tomorrow it will be 14th in us and so, I am
> probably going to have to keep firefox 57 loaded though I am tempted to
> drop back to 56.02 for now and get my sounds back.
>
>
>
>
>





can't read the messwages for this list in outlook

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, everyone,What can I try doing?

 

 

Thanks for your help in advance.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

Recently I had to take my computer to Best Buy to be repaired because it wouldn't start up. I brought it home yesterday but now when I try to read messages from this list, they appear to be blank. I've tried maximizing outllook but it didn't work. I can't even go into the NVDA menu to see if there's a setting I might need to change.


Re: Can I shorten pauses following punctuation?

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

Hey.
I asked about something like this a week or two ago when I first joined the
list. Are you using the Microsoft voices? If so, they insert long pauses
after periods and commas -- the former, especially. There is no
configuration setting to change this and it isn't a nVDA issue. You will
have to modify the .ini file for the voice you use. I don't know if this is
exactly your problem. The person who wrote this blog is on this list, and he
pointed me here:
https://tspivey.wordpress.com/2017/09/10/speeding-up-the-microsoft-onecore-v
oices-in-windows-10/

The .ini file I had to modify is not exactly the same one as shown here.
However you should be able to find it, wherever it is on your system.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ann
Byrne
Sent: November 14, 2017 8:02 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Can I shorten pauses following punctuation?

NVDA's response is crisp and accurate when I move from line to line
or application to application. However, when I read a document the pause
before the next word is longer than I would like. Is there a place in the
settings to shorten the pause?

Thanks,

Ann


Re: firefox what was the fuss exactly?

Gene
 

It isn't just a question of security and I don't know enough about the technical aspects of security to comment on that regarding screen-readers. 
But the statement from Mozilla, reproduced in Marco's Accessibility Blog, makes it clear that many changes are to deal efficiently with web pages that are increasingly interactive and complex.  An important reason changes are being made regarding accessibility is because of the changes in web page design that have and are occurring as the Internet takes on more complex functions.  Indeed, it looks to me as though Chrome will have to do the same sorts of things at some point and that one reason Edge was inaccessible after its release is because these sorts of changes are already built into the browser, although someone who knows more than my very slight bit of reading on the subject I did may correct or modify what I'm saying. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox what was the fuss exactly?

Well for security reasons you may have to but to be honest, I agree, the
new firefox engine secure as it is means a lot of stuff we are used to
is gone and a few more niggles.

I'd actually prefur if they just kept 56.x secured as it is.

Chrome was the quickest way for me to stay secure and in business.

However if I didn't care firefox 56 would have been what I do.

Ofcause if I could fine a way without doodling with complex addons to
make my ff 52 broadcast a firefox 56 or higher on some sites then I'd
have no issue with it.

I still prefur firefox to chrome for its ease of use but they are going
to make it newer so.

To be honest if mozilla do what they say they are doing I do hope
something comes up next year, if firefox gets better then maybe I switch
back to firefox.




On 14/11/2017 10:11 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
> Well the beta I tried simply refused to say anything but unknown on
> any page, though most of the menus still worked.
>
> I'm not inclined to update since I use the sound, particularly the one
> when a page has fully loaded and the one that tells me a link has in
> fact activated and of course download complete
>
>
> I have seen elsewhere where people think these sounds are pointless. I
> dispute this as everyone is different and I really only use browsers
> where I can actually hear that things are going on. for example I've
> always noticed that screenreaders sometimes do not figure out the page
> has loaded, but navigational sounds does and hence allows me to re
> focus the screenreader.
> Also I would not know if a download had completed if the download pane
> was hidden without a sound.
> Some links click but clickables do not so sometimes you can figure out
> what is which sort of link on a page this way. In a way it would be
> even better if button link and clickable had different sounds to save
> one getting confused.
>
> I think the list of things some of us want in a browser is obviously
> going to be different to what the sighted want, so one will really
> need somebody at Mozilla etc to write blind specific add ons for a
> browser.
> Its far easier when trying to teach somebody how to use a browser to
> be able to say, if you do not hear x then its not worked.
> Brian
>
> bglists@...
> Sent via blueyonder.
> Please address personal email to:-
> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
> in the display name field.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 6:42 PM
> Subject: [nvda] firefox what was the fuss exactly?
>
>
>> Hi.
>>
>> Well While brousing firefox ftp today I decided to try firefox 57 as
>> it was on releases today.
>>
>> What exactly was the fuss?
>>
>> Firefox interface loads fast, no lag, but I havn't tried big sites
>> maybe a couple seconds for audiogames forum.
>>
>> Addons, noscript, aparently this will not work till actual release of
>> firefox.
>>
>> Navigational sounds.
>>
>> I am trying to find a replacement, the author of this said that
>> because the new interface doesn't allow for registry access one can't
>> get the list of events to do things with.
>>
>> I tried 3 of them so far.
>>
>> Notification sound, noise and download sound.
>>
>> Download sound has no options or rather any way I can configure it to
>> suit.
>>
>> Noise has options but there are no default events set and I tried to
>> add what I wanted and define its sounds but I can't set values and
>> going to its website found that while there is a web version all
>> features are basically not there.
>>
>> Notification sound is another, but its got no options screen.
>>
>> Something like noise would be fine if it had an default event list
>> which just used the windows schemes directly to the files etc.
>>
>> I only need web navigation start and end, and download complete as a
>> start.
>>
>> If there was a way I could easily add events, or something that would
>> be good but I'd like a list for beginners I could import.
>>
>> Over those though, I did notice and turn on the extra privacy
>> protection, I have left active the unwanted software protection but I
>> heard from some that this can cause problems.
>>
>> I also read the article about accessibility services and how they can
>> be misused.
>>
>> It does say if you have a compatible jaws or nvda active on your
>> system that you should leave this active.
>>
>> This is interesting, dolphin stuff is not on this list it makes me
>> wander, while I do use dolphin stuff myself for things their web
>> stuff is only for ie and ie 6-8 mainly.
>>
>> Still its an observation only.
>>
>> I must say off the bat what I really like about firefox are the easy
>> option layouts, I just wish there was a way to extend them to well
>> have extras for addons rather than mucking about with the manager.
>>
>> I do like the fact you can have arrow navigation on.
>>
>> I did get noscript revived but when I hit a site with scripts on it
>> never actually notified me at all.
>>
>> I guess I have to fiddle with it, I do hope thatnoscript does go out
>> and get released.
>>
>> Today is the 14th in nz and tomorrow it will be 14th in us and so, I
>> am probably going to have to keep firefox 57 loaded though I am
>> tempted to drop back to 56.02 for now and get my sounds back.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
> .
>




Re: nvda and chrome reader mode

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Is this because its not https then? it surely must be configurable otherwise how would us blindies talk to the techies at our isps if we face inaccessible screens when we go to routers and modems or whatever else we have in the chain.
I don't like being told something is not secure when it really does not matter. as long as it warns me if banking or other financial stuff is insecure that is all you really need.
Brian

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From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 6:03 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda and chrome reader mode


How do you get past security dialogs say for logging into an ip based webpage like a router or something, what key do I hit ot accept things.

I thought I configured that right and it seemed to work but it must not save or something.




On 14/11/2017 11:06 p.m., David Moore wrote:
Yes!
I have been using Chrome for two years, and I have always had all good things to say about it.
It is so fast, that is what I could not believe when I starting using it.
Downloads go almost twice as fast, and I can open web sites much faster.
David Moore
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From: Steve Nutt
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 3:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda and chrome reader mode

Hi,

I’ve liked Chrome a lot better for a long while, and it’s faster too.

All the best

Steve

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: 13 November 2017 23:38
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] nvda and chrome reader mode

hi
If you use chrome. then you want an addon or extension obtained from chrome webstore, called
murcury reader.
and you activate it by pressing alt grave accent, sometimes called single quote. to the left of number 1 on the top number row. this brings up a new window with a close murcury reader at the top and the article nicely formatted without links and ads and video clutter is down below. I am really starting to like chrome more than I like firefox right now. It's really fast and the free murcury reader addon lets me read articles without clutter. murcury reader also has a button that lets you send any web article directly to an amazon kindle if you have one. It's quite nice. now if we get NVDA working good in chrome with google docs sheets and slides that would be good.

Josh


Re: Help with screen review command, please.

Gene
 

You appear to be discussing the laptop layout.  I don't use it but from very briefly looking at the keys reference, it appears that that is what you are using.  It is important to state the keyboard layout being used in descriptions.
 
The desktop uses the numpad and at times insert, either insert, do do what you are discussing.
Gene

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Help with screen review command, please.

In screen review you must navigate with the arrow keys to the piece of text and press enter. If you mean object navigation, there you have to press nvda +  shift + m to move the mouse to the object you want and press left mouse click to activate it. It is very useful in partly inaccessible programs. I use both screen review and object navigation very often.

In object navigation you must know that objects contain other objects. So for example if you go in outlook in the object today you will navigate with right arrow between your messages of today. If you press up arrow, then you come back to the object today. At this point when you press right you land on the object yesterday for example. Press down and you can navigate between the messages of yesterday and so on and so on. It works similarly in status bar, ribbon, nenu bars and other.


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Adriani
 
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> Am 14.11.2017 um 12:05 schrieb Lisa P Geibel <lisapgeibel429@...>:
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> Hi all,
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> How can you activate something when you land on it. This is an issue I'm having and can't figure it out. I unfortunately have to resort to the use of JAWS for this as I can route the JAWS cursor to the PC cursor, then hit the left mouse key twice to activate it. Is there a way to do this with NVDA?
>
> Lisa lisapgeibel429@... Facebook: http://facebook.com/ldporter1 Twitter: http://twitter.com/LisaLisa429 Live Wire Plus box where you can hear the breaking TV News line with bulletin board 164 or leave a voice mail message with option 1 917-259-1911 Press 4 once you've dialed in to access the bulletin boards or you can access my tree with option 5 and hear our wedding from there with option 2 May YHWH bless everyone!!!
>> On 11/13/17 8:56 PM, Tyler Spivey wrote:
>> Shift numpad7 and shift numpad3 are what you want.
>>> On 11/13/2017 5:45 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>>> So basically, the question is, how to move to the top left corner of the screen within screen review, and then, how to move to the end of the current line within review mode's focus.
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Re: nvda and chrome reader mode

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Is Chrome at all invasive, ie does it snoop being written by Google I'd be a bit suspicious of this.

I just could not get the hang of chrome but if Firefox remains busted after the esr of 52 expires it may be the only game in town with a realistic attitude to us blindies.
Brian

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My issue is with extention add and remove and security windows for bt sync and my router.

I got my router and printer set but it just won't accept my locally connect resilio server which is fine I just use ie.

The thing is though this never had me have an issue with firefox.

Sometimes it tries to predict what I want to do with a link, when I right click it.

There are waaay to many clickable clickable clickables for my liking so I had to set an app config with that off.

These alone will not get me to switch back.

It starting slow on first run on system start and the fact while running windows update seems to error out while the brouser is running is still not going to stop me either.

However, all those added up, to be honest if firefox noscript comes back, dispite the issues 57 has, heck I may wait for 59 but once ff is stable enough, I am tempted to go back.

The security dialogs are the biggest thing for me, chrome dropps into a mode and any keys I hit just say unknown there is probably a keyboard shortcut to allow stuff through but it just won't let me do it.

It may mean I just get an outdated firefox 56.02 or something for things that don't work as well with chrome.

One thing noscript did was make sites like twitter easier to work with.

One thing chrome does is sync all passwords to my cloud which means 1 login only and the fact it knows what I do.

But there are little pieces of the interface I just don't care for.

Its a pitty the new skype app is not like chrome itself.

One thing both microsoft and firefox could do off the bat is what chrome does with accessability.

A dedicated access menu and section on the google store, sure chromevox is a bit of a gimic but the rest, there are a lot of options there is probably an accessible theme but I havn't gone that far.

I was able to get just about everything except noscript working on chrome, I have a good download sound addon and a good sfx webpage navigation addon.

Mozilla firefox has none of these and well its even better than what I had using windows sounds.

To be honest if I do go back to firefox unless anything changes it will have to be some version of 56, 57 has a lot of issues with its configuration.

Google has issues with extentions but I can get past that, and security dialogs well I'd really like to see if these can be handled somehow even if there is something to process them outside chrome.




On 14/11/2017 9:44 p.m., Steve Nutt wrote:
Hi,


I’ve liked Chrome a lot better for a long while, and it’s faster too.


All the best


Steve


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: 13 November 2017 23:38
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] nvda and chrome reader mode


hi

If you use chrome. then you want an addon or extension obtained from chrome webstore, called

murcury reader.

and you activate it by pressing alt grave accent, sometimes called single quote. to the left of number 1 on the top number row. this brings up a new window with a close murcury reader at the top and the article nicely formatted without links and ads and video clutter is down below. I am really starting to like chrome more than I like firefox right now. It's really fast and the free murcury reader addon lets me read articles without clutter. murcury reader also has a button that lets you send any web article directly to an amazon kindle if you have one. It's quite nice. now if we get NVDA working good in chrome with google docs sheets and slides that would be good.


Josh



Re: NVDA and Firefox 57

 

The only big issue I have with ff is the interaction of form fields in options of addons to change them.

If this can be sorted out then maybe I try again.

On 15/11/2017 7:04 a.m., Don H wrote:
I am finding that NVDA 2017-3 works just fine with Firefox version 57.