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Re: firefox what was the fuss exactly?

Gene
 

There are some sounds that are important because you can't get information efficiently about something such as a USB connection in other ways.  I may not have made it as clear as I should have in my first message, but I'm talking specifically about sounds in contexts such as browser sounds, where the information can be efficiently gotten in other ways.  There are advantages and disadvantages in various browsers but making whether sounds are available in a browser be a very important factor in determining whether to use that browser is, in my opinion, emphasizing sounds that are optional to a far more central position than they should be. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: brian
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 1:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox what was the fuss exactly?

            I think that the reason that some blind people like sounds is it gives us a indacation of what's going on just like the sighted can see at glance.  It's like windows sounds.  We have the windows music to let us know that our computer is on.  We have other windows sounds like the sound we hear when we plug a thumbdrive in or unplug it.  If we did not hear this sound we would think that there is a problem but if there was no sound then how would we know that there was a problem.  Sounds may not be necessary but they can really help us greatly to know what is happening.  I don't have my sounds on in my webie brouser but I would not fault somone if they did.  I do think that it's important to a sound for down loads because if there is a problem with your internet connection then you would know.  Again the sighted can just look but we can't.  Alot of people don't have good internet and it can and does loose connection quite frequently.

Brian Sackrider


On 11/14/2017 9:04 AM, Gene wrote:
I want to make my position clear and discuss another aspect of the current situation in this rather long message.
 
If people want to use sounds, there is nothing wrong with that but you don't need them and my position is that being so dependent on them that you make that a major determining factor on what browser to use is being too dependent.  That's my position.  I didn't say they are worthless nor that people shouldn't use them.  I'm talking about being too dependent on one aspect of a program when that aspect isn't central to the program and when there may be better programs in general that don't have this specific characteristic.
I'm saying that if someone considers sounds in browsers to be so important that that is a major factor in deciding what browser to use, I consider that to be too dependent.  There are other efficient ways to tell things when using a browser.  If a page hasn't loaded, you can't move around.  Tabbing or down arrowing once or twice will tell you.  I'm not saying, as you said, that they are pointless.  I'm saying that almost anything sounds do, can be either efficiently inferred or checked by other methods and that changing from one browser to another based either only or largely on sounds, is making this one characteristic of a browser too important. 
 
I don't want my position to be misunderstood.  If people want to use sounds, then that's fine;  I'm saying that dependence on them to an excessive degree is not desirable if it leads to decisions on what programs to use in a certain class when trying to decide between program a and b that do roughly the same thing.  Browsers have various advantages and disadvantages and sound is only one aspect of a program. 
Also, the changes being made in firefox, according to a review I've read, make it even faster than Chrome.  It isn't much faster, at least now, and I don't think it matters but if people read the article about these changes posted last week from Marco's Accessibility blog, these changes may result in screen-readers being far more capable to work on complex pages that have embedded programs or where the pages are far more interactive than traditional web pages, and that increasing numbers of web pages are, and will be more complex over time.  Therefore, I find the attitude of blaming Mozilla for what it says it intends to be only a temporary loss of performance for blind users, and writing as though they are going to permanently use a different browser without even seeing the results of the work being done is disturbing.  At the moment, Chrome may be better than Firefoxs in its latest version because of the changes.  But blind people may be better served by what Mozilla is doing after the initial inconvenience. 
 
How often do sighted people complain about things like road construction and repair, but would they never use the road again because of the temporary inconvenience?  They may use a different road during the repairs and the road may even be closed at times, but they return to it when it is in good order again.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 3:11 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox what was the fuss exactly?

Well the beta I tried simply refused to say anything but unknown on any
page, though most of the menus still worked.

I'm not inclined to update since I use the sound, particularly the one when
a page has fully loaded and the one that tells me a link has in fact
activated and of course download complete


I have seen elsewhere where people think these sounds are pointless. I
dispute this as everyone is different and I really only use browsers where I
can actually hear that things are going on. for example I've always noticed
that screenreaders sometimes do not figure out the page has loaded, but
navigational sounds does and hence allows me to re focus the screenreader.
 Also I would not know if a download had completed if the download pane was
hidden without a sound.
 Some links click but clickables do not so sometimes you can figure out what
is which sort of link on a page this way. In a way it would be even better
if button link and clickable had different sounds to save one getting
confused.

I think the list of things some of us want in a browser is obviously going
to be different to what the sighted want, so one will really need somebody
at Mozilla etc to write blind specific add ons for a browser.
 Its far easier when trying to teach somebody how to use a browser to be
able to say, if you do not hear x then its not worked.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 6:42 PM
Subject: [nvda] firefox what was the fuss exactly?


> Hi.
>
> Well While brousing firefox ftp today I decided to try firefox 57 as it
> was on releases today.
>
> What exactly was the fuss?
>
> Firefox interface loads fast, no lag, but I havn't tried big sites maybe a
> couple seconds for audiogames forum.
>
> Addons, noscript, aparently this will not work till actual release of
> firefox.
>
> Navigational sounds.
>
> I am trying to find a replacement, the author of this said that because
> the new interface doesn't allow for registry access one can't get the list
> of events to do things with.
>
> I tried 3 of them so far.
>
> Notification sound, noise and download sound.
>
> Download sound has no options or rather any way I can configure it to
> suit.
>
> Noise has options but there are no default events set and I tried to add
> what I wanted and define its sounds but I can't set values and going to
> its website found that while there is a web version all features are
> basically not there.
>
> Notification sound is another, but its got no options screen.
>
> Something like noise would be fine if it had an default event list which
> just used the windows schemes directly to the files etc.
>
> I only need web navigation start and end, and download complete as a
> start.
>
> If there was a way I could easily add events, or something that would be
> good but I'd like a list for beginners I could import.
>
> Over those though, I did notice and turn on the extra privacy protection,
> I have left active the unwanted software protection but I heard from some
> that this can cause problems.
>
> I also read the article about accessibility services and how they can be
> misused.
>
> It does say if you have a compatible jaws or nvda active on your system
> that you should leave this active.
>
> This is interesting, dolphin stuff is not on this list it makes me wander,
> while I do use dolphin stuff myself for things their web stuff is only for
> ie and ie 6-8 mainly.
>
> Still its an observation only.
>
> I must say off the bat what I really like about firefox are the easy
> option layouts, I just wish there was a way to extend them to well have
> extras for addons rather than mucking about with the manager.
>
> I do like the fact you can have arrow navigation on.
>
> I did get noscript revived but when I hit a site with scripts on it never
> actually notified me at all.
>
> I guess I have to fiddle with it, I do hope thatnoscript does go out and
> get released.
>
> Today is the 14th in nz and tomorrow it will be 14th in us and so, I am
> probably going to have to keep firefox 57 loaded though I am tempted to
> drop back to 56.02 for now and get my sounds back.
>
>
>
>
>





Re: firefox what was the fuss exactly?

 

Well if it comes to that, then as a blind person I will have to use an unsecured brouser.

Firefox 56 with noscript can be secure enough its a pitty that it will be not secure but well.

Lets hope that both makers and access tech upgrades to the new technologies and can use them.

Chrome is allready using web extentions the only issue I have with chrome are some dialogs for their security screens.

I also don't care for the multiple clickables meaning I have to just not do anything about that.

On 15/11/2017 7:19 a.m., Gene wrote:
It isn't just a question of security and I don't know enough about the technical aspects of security to comment on that regarding screen-readers.

But the statement from Mozilla, reproduced in Marco's Accessibility Blog, makes it clear that many changes are to deal efficiently with web pages that are increasingly interactive and complex. An important reason changes are being made regarding accessibility is because of the changes in web page design that have and are occurring as the Internet takes on more complex functions. Indeed, it looks to me as though Chrome will have to do the same sorts of things at some point and that one reason Edge was inaccessible after its release is because these sorts of changes are already built into the browser, although someone who knows more than my very slight bit of reading on the subject I did may correct or modify what I'm saying.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 12:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox what was the fuss exactly?


Well for security reasons you may have to but to be honest, I agree, the
new firefox engine secure as it is means a lot of stuff we are used to
is gone and a few more niggles.

I'd actually prefur if they just kept 56.x secured as it is.

Chrome was the quickest way for me to stay secure and in business.

However if I didn't care firefox 56 would have been what I do.

Ofcause if I could fine a way without doodling with complex addons to
make my ff 52 broadcast a firefox 56 or higher on some sites then I'd
have no issue with it.

I still prefur firefox to chrome for its ease of use but they are going
to make it newer so.

To be honest if mozilla do what they say they are doing I do hope
something comes up next year, if firefox gets better then maybe I switch
back to firefox.




On 14/11/2017 10:11 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Well the beta I tried simply refused to say anything but unknown on
any page, though most of the menus still worked.

I'm not inclined to update since I use the sound, particularly the one
when a page has fully loaded and the one that tells me a link has in
fact activated and of course download complete


I have seen elsewhere where people think these sounds are pointless. I
dispute this as everyone is different and I really only use browsers
where I can actually hear that things are going on. for example I've
always noticed that screenreaders sometimes do not figure out the page
has loaded, but navigational sounds does and hence allows me to re
focus the screenreader.
Also I would not know if a download had completed if the download pane
was hidden without a sound.
Some links click but clickables do not so sometimes you can figure out
what is which sort of link on a page this way. In a way it would be
even better if button link and clickable had different sounds to save
one getting confused.

I think the list of things some of us want in a browser is obviously
going to be different to what the sighted want, so one will really
need somebody at Mozilla etc to write blind specific add ons for a
browser.
Its far easier when trying to teach somebody how to use a browser to
be able to say, if you do not hear x then its not worked.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 6:42 PM
Subject: [nvda] firefox what was the fuss exactly?


Hi.

Well While brousing firefox ftp today I decided to try firefox 57 as
it was on releases today.

What exactly was the fuss?

Firefox interface loads fast, no lag, but I havn't tried big sites
maybe a couple seconds for audiogames forum.

Addons, noscript, aparently this will not work till actual release of
firefox.

Navigational sounds.

I am trying to find a replacement, the author of this said that
because the new interface doesn't allow for registry access one can't
get the list of events to do things with.

I tried 3 of them so far.

Notification sound, noise and download sound.

Download sound has no options or rather any way I can configure it to
suit.

Noise has options but there are no default events set and I tried to
add what I wanted and define its sounds but I can't set values and
going to its website found that while there is a web version all
features are basically not there.

Notification sound is another, but its got no options screen.

Something like noise would be fine if it had an default event list
which just used the windows schemes directly to the files etc.

I only need web navigation start and end, and download complete as a
start.

If there was a way I could easily add events, or something that would
be good but I'd like a list for beginners I could import.

Over those though, I did notice and turn on the extra privacy
protection, I have left active the unwanted software protection but I
heard from some that this can cause problems.

I also read the article about accessibility services and how they can
be misused.

It does say if you have a compatible jaws or nvda active on your
system that you should leave this active.

This is interesting, dolphin stuff is not on this list it makes me
wander, while I do use dolphin stuff myself for things their web
stuff is only for ie and ie 6-8 mainly.

Still its an observation only.

I must say off the bat what I really like about firefox are the easy
option layouts, I just wish there was a way to extend them to well
have extras for addons rather than mucking about with the manager.

I do like the fact you can have arrow navigation on.

I did get noscript revived but when I hit a site with scripts on it
never actually notified me at all.

I guess I have to fiddle with it, I do hope thatnoscript does go out
and get released.

Today is the 14th in nz and tomorrow it will be 14th in us and so, I
am probably going to have to keep firefox 57 loaded though I am
tempted to drop back to 56.02 for now and get my sounds back.






.


Re: nvda and chrome reader mode

 

I take this another way.

I don't care if google snoops.

My deal is this, bar their device and some pro business and translation services, google has not charged any of its users cash.

And well all those services have to cost something, my privacy?

For the sheer amount of service I get with no fee what so ever and as long as I continue with the amount of service I recieve, and more in the future, I have no issue with them using my data even for adds.

I have issues with getting ripped off with little to show for my info.

Ms was good at one stage but well they are ms, amazon do not support paypal and well I use some of their stuff.

Apple reduced some services, aol, well aol services are pritty much gone to the dogs now.

Then yahoo, yahoo could have been good if their security track wasn't so poor period.

Google, lets see what I use myself, mail, weather, news, maps, gps, their android os for the family, maps streets, calendar translation, and earth view all those just from what I can remember, oh and photos, drive for some of the family.

All those for, lets see, free 0 cash.

So they sell my information, big deal, I don't know if I would pay for mail, again isp mail, ewww yuck.

I know there are other services the point is 99.9% of all google services is for no dollar value.

Google snoops, big deal, google sells, big deal, governments use google well who doesn't.

Now its not imune from things but google is one of the big brands and it just works for the most part even descussion groups.

On 15/11/2017 7:10 a.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Is Chrome at all invasive, ie does it snoop being written by Google I'd be a bit suspicious of this.

I just could not get the hang of chrome but if Firefox remains busted after the esr of 52 expires it may be the only game in town with a realistic attitude to us blindies.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 5:57 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda and chrome reader mode


My issue is with extention add and remove and security windows for bt sync and my router.

I got my router and printer set but it just won't accept my locally connect resilio server which is fine I just use ie.

The thing is though this never had me have an issue with firefox.

Sometimes it tries to predict what I want to do with a link, when I right click it.

There are waaay to many clickable clickable clickables for my liking so I had to set an app config with that off.

These alone will not get me to switch back.

It starting slow on first run on system start and the fact while running windows update seems to error out while the brouser is running is still not going to stop me either.

However, all those added up, to be honest if firefox noscript comes back, dispite the issues 57 has, heck I may wait for 59 but once ff is stable enough, I am tempted to go back.

The security dialogs are the biggest thing for me, chrome dropps into a mode and any keys I hit just say unknown there is probably a keyboard shortcut to allow stuff through but it just won't let me do it.

It may mean I just get an outdated firefox 56.02 or something for things that don't work as well with chrome.

One thing noscript did was make sites like twitter easier to work with.

One thing chrome does is sync all passwords to my cloud which means 1 login only and the fact it knows what I do.

But there are little pieces of the interface I just don't care for.

Its a pitty the new skype app is not like chrome itself.

One thing both microsoft and firefox could do off the bat is what chrome does with accessability.

A dedicated access menu and section on the google store, sure chromevox is a bit of a gimic but the rest, there are a lot of options there is probably an accessible theme but I havn't gone that far.

I was able to get just about everything except noscript working on chrome, I have a good download sound addon and a good sfx webpage navigation addon.

Mozilla firefox has none of these and well its even better than what I had using windows sounds.

To be honest if I do go back to firefox unless anything changes it will have to be some version of 56, 57 has a lot of issues with its configuration.

Google has issues with extentions but I can get past that, and security dialogs well I'd really like to see if these can be handled somehow even if there is something to process them outside chrome.




On 14/11/2017 9:44 p.m., Steve Nutt wrote:
Hi,


I’ve liked Chrome a lot better for a long while, and it’s faster too.


All the best


Steve


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: 13 November 2017 23:38
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] nvda and chrome reader mode


hi

If you use chrome. then you want an addon or extension obtained from chrome webstore, called

murcury reader.

and you activate it by pressing alt grave accent, sometimes called single quote. to the left of number 1 on the top number row. this brings up a new window with a close murcury reader at the top and the article nicely formatted without links and ads and video clutter is down below. I am really starting to like chrome more than I like firefox right now. It's really fast and the free murcury reader addon lets me read articles without clutter. murcury reader also has a button that lets you send any web article directly to an amazon kindle if you have one. It's quite nice. now if we get NVDA working good in chrome with google docs sheets and slides that would be good.


Josh






Re: Help with screen review command, please.

Adriani Botez
 

Sorry I forgot to mention that.

Best
Adriani


Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 14.11.2017 um 19:12 schrieb Gene <gsasner@...>:

You appear to be discussing the laptop layout.  I don't use it but from very briefly looking at the keys reference, it appears that that is what you are using.  It is important to state the keyboard layout being used in descriptions.
 
The desktop uses the numpad and at times insert, either insert, do do what you are discussing.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 11:47 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Help with screen review command, please.

In screen review you must navigate with the arrow keys to the piece of text and press enter. If you mean object navigation, there you have to press nvda +  shift + m to move the mouse to the object you want and press left mouse click to activate it. It is very useful in partly inaccessible programs. I use both screen review and object navigation very often.

In object navigation you must know that objects contain other objects. So for example if you go in outlook in the object today you will navigate with right arrow between your messages of today. If you press up arrow, then you come back to the object today. At this point when you press right you land on the object yesterday for example. Press down and you can navigate between the messages of yesterday and so on and so on. It works similarly in status bar, ribbon, nenu bars and other.


Best
Adriani
 
Von meinem iPhone gesendet

> Am 14.11.2017 um 12:05 schrieb Lisa P Geibel <lisapgeibel429@...>:
>
> Hi all,
>
> How can you activate something when you land on it. This is an issue I'm having and can't figure it out. I unfortunately have to resort to the use of JAWS for this as I can route the JAWS cursor to the PC cursor, then hit the left mouse key twice to activate it. Is there a way to do this with NVDA?
>
> Lisa lisapgeibel429@... Facebook: http://facebook.com/ldporter1 Twitter: http://twitter.com/LisaLisa429 Live Wire Plus box where you can hear the breaking TV News line with bulletin board 164 or leave a voice mail message with option 1 917-259-1911 Press 4 once you've dialed in to access the bulletin boards or you can access my tree with option 5 and hear our wedding from there with option 2 May YHWH bless everyone!!!
>> On 11/13/17 8:56 PM, Tyler Spivey wrote:
>> Shift numpad7 and shift numpad3 are what you want.
>>> On 11/13/2017 5:45 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>>> So basically, the question is, how to move to the top left corner of the screen within screen review, and then, how to move to the end of the current line within review mode's focus.
>>
>>
>
>
>
>




Re: firefox what was the fuss exactly?

brian <sackriderbrian45@...>
 

            I think that the reason that some blind people like sounds is it gives us a indacation of what's going on just like the sighted can see at glance.  It's like windows sounds.  We have the windows music to let us know that our computer is on.  We have other windows sounds like the sound we hear when we plug a thumbdrive in or unplug it.  If we did not hear this sound we would think that there is a problem but if there was no sound then how would we know that there was a problem.  Sounds may not be necessary but they can really help us greatly to know what is happening.  I don't have my sounds on in my webie brouser but I would not fault somone if they did.  I do think that it's important to a sound for down loads because if there is a problem with your internet connection then you would know.  Again the sighted can just look but we can't.  Alot of people don't have good internet and it can and does loose connection quite frequently.

Brian Sackrider


On 11/14/2017 9:04 AM, Gene wrote:
I want to make my position clear and discuss another aspect of the current situation in this rather long message.
 
If people want to use sounds, there is nothing wrong with that but you don't need them and my position is that being so dependent on them that you make that a major determining factor on what browser to use is being too dependent.  That's my position.  I didn't say they are worthless nor that people shouldn't use them.  I'm talking about being too dependent on one aspect of a program when that aspect isn't central to the program and when there may be better programs in general that don't have this specific characteristic.
I'm saying that if someone considers sounds in browsers to be so important that that is a major factor in deciding what browser to use, I consider that to be too dependent.  There are other efficient ways to tell things when using a browser.  If a page hasn't loaded, you can't move around.  Tabbing or down arrowing once or twice will tell you.  I'm not saying, as you said, that they are pointless.  I'm saying that almost anything sounds do, can be either efficiently inferred or checked by other methods and that changing from one browser to another based either only or largely on sounds, is making this one characteristic of a browser too important. 
 
I don't want my position to be misunderstood.  If people want to use sounds, then that's fine;  I'm saying that dependence on them to an excessive degree is not desirable if it leads to decisions on what programs to use in a certain class when trying to decide between program a and b that do roughly the same thing.  Browsers have various advantages and disadvantages and sound is only one aspect of a program. 
Also, the changes being made in firefox, according to a review I've read, make it even faster than Chrome.  It isn't much faster, at least now, and I don't think it matters but if people read the article about these changes posted last week from Marco's Accessibility blog, these changes may result in screen-readers being far more capable to work on complex pages that have embedded programs or where the pages are far more interactive than traditional web pages, and that increasing numbers of web pages are, and will be more complex over time.  Therefore, I find the attitude of blaming Mozilla for what it says it intends to be only a temporary loss of performance for blind users, and writing as though they are going to permanently use a different browser without even seeing the results of the work being done is disturbing.  At the moment, Chrome may be better than Firefoxs in its latest version because of the changes.  But blind people may be better served by what Mozilla is doing after the initial inconvenience. 
 
How often do sighted people complain about things like road construction and repair, but would they never use the road again because of the temporary inconvenience?  They may use a different road during the repairs and the road may even be closed at times, but they return to it when it is in good order again.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 3:11 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox what was the fuss exactly?

Well the beta I tried simply refused to say anything but unknown on any
page, though most of the menus still worked.

I'm not inclined to update since I use the sound, particularly the one when
a page has fully loaded and the one that tells me a link has in fact
activated and of course download complete


I have seen elsewhere where people think these sounds are pointless. I
dispute this as everyone is different and I really only use browsers where I
can actually hear that things are going on. for example I've always noticed
that screenreaders sometimes do not figure out the page has loaded, but
navigational sounds does and hence allows me to re focus the screenreader.
 Also I would not know if a download had completed if the download pane was
hidden without a sound.
 Some links click but clickables do not so sometimes you can figure out what
is which sort of link on a page this way. In a way it would be even better
if button link and clickable had different sounds to save one getting
confused.

I think the list of things some of us want in a browser is obviously going
to be different to what the sighted want, so one will really need somebody
at Mozilla etc to write blind specific add ons for a browser.
 Its far easier when trying to teach somebody how to use a browser to be
able to say, if you do not hear x then its not worked.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 6:42 PM
Subject: [nvda] firefox what was the fuss exactly?


> Hi.
>
> Well While brousing firefox ftp today I decided to try firefox 57 as it
> was on releases today.
>
> What exactly was the fuss?
>
> Firefox interface loads fast, no lag, but I havn't tried big sites maybe a
> couple seconds for audiogames forum.
>
> Addons, noscript, aparently this will not work till actual release of
> firefox.
>
> Navigational sounds.
>
> I am trying to find a replacement, the author of this said that because
> the new interface doesn't allow for registry access one can't get the list
> of events to do things with.
>
> I tried 3 of them so far.
>
> Notification sound, noise and download sound.
>
> Download sound has no options or rather any way I can configure it to
> suit.
>
> Noise has options but there are no default events set and I tried to add
> what I wanted and define its sounds but I can't set values and going to
> its website found that while there is a web version all features are
> basically not there.
>
> Notification sound is another, but its got no options screen.
>
> Something like noise would be fine if it had an default event list which
> just used the windows schemes directly to the files etc.
>
> I only need web navigation start and end, and download complete as a
> start.
>
> If there was a way I could easily add events, or something that would be
> good but I'd like a list for beginners I could import.
>
> Over those though, I did notice and turn on the extra privacy protection,
> I have left active the unwanted software protection but I heard from some
> that this can cause problems.
>
> I also read the article about accessibility services and how they can be
> misused.
>
> It does say if you have a compatible jaws or nvda active on your system
> that you should leave this active.
>
> This is interesting, dolphin stuff is not on this list it makes me wander,
> while I do use dolphin stuff myself for things their web stuff is only for
> ie and ie 6-8 mainly.
>
> Still its an observation only.
>
> I must say off the bat what I really like about firefox are the easy
> option layouts, I just wish there was a way to extend them to well have
> extras for addons rather than mucking about with the manager.
>
> I do like the fact you can have arrow navigation on.
>
> I did get noscript revived but when I hit a site with scripts on it never
> actually notified me at all.
>
> I guess I have to fiddle with it, I do hope thatnoscript does go out and
> get released.
>
> Today is the 14th in nz and tomorrow it will be 14th in us and so, I am
> probably going to have to keep firefox 57 loaded though I am tempted to
> drop back to 56.02 for now and get my sounds back.
>
>
>
>
>





can't read the messwages for this list in outlook

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, everyone,What can I try doing?

 

 

Thanks for your help in advance.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

Recently I had to take my computer to Best Buy to be repaired because it wouldn't start up. I brought it home yesterday but now when I try to read messages from this list, they appear to be blank. I've tried maximizing outllook but it didn't work. I can't even go into the NVDA menu to see if there's a setting I might need to change.


Re: Can I shorten pauses following punctuation?

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

Hey.
I asked about something like this a week or two ago when I first joined the
list. Are you using the Microsoft voices? If so, they insert long pauses
after periods and commas -- the former, especially. There is no
configuration setting to change this and it isn't a nVDA issue. You will
have to modify the .ini file for the voice you use. I don't know if this is
exactly your problem. The person who wrote this blog is on this list, and he
pointed me here:
https://tspivey.wordpress.com/2017/09/10/speeding-up-the-microsoft-onecore-v
oices-in-windows-10/

The .ini file I had to modify is not exactly the same one as shown here.
However you should be able to find it, wherever it is on your system.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ann
Byrne
Sent: November 14, 2017 8:02 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Can I shorten pauses following punctuation?

NVDA's response is crisp and accurate when I move from line to line
or application to application. However, when I read a document the pause
before the next word is longer than I would like. Is there a place in the
settings to shorten the pause?

Thanks,

Ann


Re: firefox what was the fuss exactly?

Gene
 

It isn't just a question of security and I don't know enough about the technical aspects of security to comment on that regarding screen-readers. 
But the statement from Mozilla, reproduced in Marco's Accessibility Blog, makes it clear that many changes are to deal efficiently with web pages that are increasingly interactive and complex.  An important reason changes are being made regarding accessibility is because of the changes in web page design that have and are occurring as the Internet takes on more complex functions.  Indeed, it looks to me as though Chrome will have to do the same sorts of things at some point and that one reason Edge was inaccessible after its release is because these sorts of changes are already built into the browser, although someone who knows more than my very slight bit of reading on the subject I did may correct or modify what I'm saying. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox what was the fuss exactly?

Well for security reasons you may have to but to be honest, I agree, the
new firefox engine secure as it is means a lot of stuff we are used to
is gone and a few more niggles.

I'd actually prefur if they just kept 56.x secured as it is.

Chrome was the quickest way for me to stay secure and in business.

However if I didn't care firefox 56 would have been what I do.

Ofcause if I could fine a way without doodling with complex addons to
make my ff 52 broadcast a firefox 56 or higher on some sites then I'd
have no issue with it.

I still prefur firefox to chrome for its ease of use but they are going
to make it newer so.

To be honest if mozilla do what they say they are doing I do hope
something comes up next year, if firefox gets better then maybe I switch
back to firefox.




On 14/11/2017 10:11 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
> Well the beta I tried simply refused to say anything but unknown on
> any page, though most of the menus still worked.
>
> I'm not inclined to update since I use the sound, particularly the one
> when a page has fully loaded and the one that tells me a link has in
> fact activated and of course download complete
>
>
> I have seen elsewhere where people think these sounds are pointless. I
> dispute this as everyone is different and I really only use browsers
> where I can actually hear that things are going on. for example I've
> always noticed that screenreaders sometimes do not figure out the page
> has loaded, but navigational sounds does and hence allows me to re
> focus the screenreader.
> Also I would not know if a download had completed if the download pane
> was hidden without a sound.
> Some links click but clickables do not so sometimes you can figure out
> what is which sort of link on a page this way. In a way it would be
> even better if button link and clickable had different sounds to save
> one getting confused.
>
> I think the list of things some of us want in a browser is obviously
> going to be different to what the sighted want, so one will really
> need somebody at Mozilla etc to write blind specific add ons for a
> browser.
> Its far easier when trying to teach somebody how to use a browser to
> be able to say, if you do not hear x then its not worked.
> Brian
>
> bglists@...
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> Please address personal email to:-
> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
> in the display name field.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 6:42 PM
> Subject: [nvda] firefox what was the fuss exactly?
>
>
>> Hi.
>>
>> Well While brousing firefox ftp today I decided to try firefox 57 as
>> it was on releases today.
>>
>> What exactly was the fuss?
>>
>> Firefox interface loads fast, no lag, but I havn't tried big sites
>> maybe a couple seconds for audiogames forum.
>>
>> Addons, noscript, aparently this will not work till actual release of
>> firefox.
>>
>> Navigational sounds.
>>
>> I am trying to find a replacement, the author of this said that
>> because the new interface doesn't allow for registry access one can't
>> get the list of events to do things with.
>>
>> I tried 3 of them so far.
>>
>> Notification sound, noise and download sound.
>>
>> Download sound has no options or rather any way I can configure it to
>> suit.
>>
>> Noise has options but there are no default events set and I tried to
>> add what I wanted and define its sounds but I can't set values and
>> going to its website found that while there is a web version all
>> features are basically not there.
>>
>> Notification sound is another, but its got no options screen.
>>
>> Something like noise would be fine if it had an default event list
>> which just used the windows schemes directly to the files etc.
>>
>> I only need web navigation start and end, and download complete as a
>> start.
>>
>> If there was a way I could easily add events, or something that would
>> be good but I'd like a list for beginners I could import.
>>
>> Over those though, I did notice and turn on the extra privacy
>> protection, I have left active the unwanted software protection but I
>> heard from some that this can cause problems.
>>
>> I also read the article about accessibility services and how they can
>> be misused.
>>
>> It does say if you have a compatible jaws or nvda active on your
>> system that you should leave this active.
>>
>> This is interesting, dolphin stuff is not on this list it makes me
>> wander, while I do use dolphin stuff myself for things their web
>> stuff is only for ie and ie 6-8 mainly.
>>
>> Still its an observation only.
>>
>> I must say off the bat what I really like about firefox are the easy
>> option layouts, I just wish there was a way to extend them to well
>> have extras for addons rather than mucking about with the manager.
>>
>> I do like the fact you can have arrow navigation on.
>>
>> I did get noscript revived but when I hit a site with scripts on it
>> never actually notified me at all.
>>
>> I guess I have to fiddle with it, I do hope thatnoscript does go out
>> and get released.
>>
>> Today is the 14th in nz and tomorrow it will be 14th in us and so, I
>> am probably going to have to keep firefox 57 loaded though I am
>> tempted to drop back to 56.02 for now and get my sounds back.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
> .
>




Re: nvda and chrome reader mode

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Is this because its not https then? it surely must be configurable otherwise how would us blindies talk to the techies at our isps if we face inaccessible screens when we go to routers and modems or whatever else we have in the chain.
I don't like being told something is not secure when it really does not matter. as long as it warns me if banking or other financial stuff is insecure that is all you really need.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 6:03 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda and chrome reader mode


How do you get past security dialogs say for logging into an ip based webpage like a router or something, what key do I hit ot accept things.

I thought I configured that right and it seemed to work but it must not save or something.




On 14/11/2017 11:06 p.m., David Moore wrote:
Yes!
I have been using Chrome for two years, and I have always had all good things to say about it.
It is so fast, that is what I could not believe when I starting using it.
Downloads go almost twice as fast, and I can open web sites much faster.
David Moore
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Steve Nutt
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 3:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda and chrome reader mode

Hi,

I’ve liked Chrome a lot better for a long while, and it’s faster too.

All the best

Steve

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: 13 November 2017 23:38
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] nvda and chrome reader mode

hi
If you use chrome. then you want an addon or extension obtained from chrome webstore, called
murcury reader.
and you activate it by pressing alt grave accent, sometimes called single quote. to the left of number 1 on the top number row. this brings up a new window with a close murcury reader at the top and the article nicely formatted without links and ads and video clutter is down below. I am really starting to like chrome more than I like firefox right now. It's really fast and the free murcury reader addon lets me read articles without clutter. murcury reader also has a button that lets you send any web article directly to an amazon kindle if you have one. It's quite nice. now if we get NVDA working good in chrome with google docs sheets and slides that would be good.

Josh


Re: Help with screen review command, please.

Gene
 

You appear to be discussing the laptop layout.  I don't use it but from very briefly looking at the keys reference, it appears that that is what you are using.  It is important to state the keyboard layout being used in descriptions.
 
The desktop uses the numpad and at times insert, either insert, do do what you are discussing.
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 11:47 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Help with screen review command, please.

In screen review you must navigate with the arrow keys to the piece of text and press enter. If you mean object navigation, there you have to press nvda +  shift + m to move the mouse to the object you want and press left mouse click to activate it. It is very useful in partly inaccessible programs. I use both screen review and object navigation very often.

In object navigation you must know that objects contain other objects. So for example if you go in outlook in the object today you will navigate with right arrow between your messages of today. If you press up arrow, then you come back to the object today. At this point when you press right you land on the object yesterday for example. Press down and you can navigate between the messages of yesterday and so on and so on. It works similarly in status bar, ribbon, nenu bars and other.


Best
Adriani
 
Von meinem iPhone gesendet

> Am 14.11.2017 um 12:05 schrieb Lisa P Geibel <lisapgeibel429@...>:
>
> Hi all,
>
> How can you activate something when you land on it. This is an issue I'm having and can't figure it out. I unfortunately have to resort to the use of JAWS for this as I can route the JAWS cursor to the PC cursor, then hit the left mouse key twice to activate it. Is there a way to do this with NVDA?
>
> Lisa lisapgeibel429@... Facebook: http://facebook.com/ldporter1 Twitter: http://twitter.com/LisaLisa429 Live Wire Plus box where you can hear the breaking TV News line with bulletin board 164 or leave a voice mail message with option 1 917-259-1911 Press 4 once you've dialed in to access the bulletin boards or you can access my tree with option 5 and hear our wedding from there with option 2 May YHWH bless everyone!!!
>> On 11/13/17 8:56 PM, Tyler Spivey wrote:
>> Shift numpad7 and shift numpad3 are what you want.
>>> On 11/13/2017 5:45 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>>> So basically, the question is, how to move to the top left corner of the screen within screen review, and then, how to move to the end of the current line within review mode's focus.
>>
>>
>
>
>
>




Re: nvda and chrome reader mode

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Is Chrome at all invasive, ie does it snoop being written by Google I'd be a bit suspicious of this.

I just could not get the hang of chrome but if Firefox remains busted after the esr of 52 expires it may be the only game in town with a realistic attitude to us blindies.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 5:57 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda and chrome reader mode


My issue is with extention add and remove and security windows for bt sync and my router.

I got my router and printer set but it just won't accept my locally connect resilio server which is fine I just use ie.

The thing is though this never had me have an issue with firefox.

Sometimes it tries to predict what I want to do with a link, when I right click it.

There are waaay to many clickable clickable clickables for my liking so I had to set an app config with that off.

These alone will not get me to switch back.

It starting slow on first run on system start and the fact while running windows update seems to error out while the brouser is running is still not going to stop me either.

However, all those added up, to be honest if firefox noscript comes back, dispite the issues 57 has, heck I may wait for 59 but once ff is stable enough, I am tempted to go back.

The security dialogs are the biggest thing for me, chrome dropps into a mode and any keys I hit just say unknown there is probably a keyboard shortcut to allow stuff through but it just won't let me do it.

It may mean I just get an outdated firefox 56.02 or something for things that don't work as well with chrome.

One thing noscript did was make sites like twitter easier to work with.

One thing chrome does is sync all passwords to my cloud which means 1 login only and the fact it knows what I do.

But there are little pieces of the interface I just don't care for.

Its a pitty the new skype app is not like chrome itself.

One thing both microsoft and firefox could do off the bat is what chrome does with accessability.

A dedicated access menu and section on the google store, sure chromevox is a bit of a gimic but the rest, there are a lot of options there is probably an accessible theme but I havn't gone that far.

I was able to get just about everything except noscript working on chrome, I have a good download sound addon and a good sfx webpage navigation addon.

Mozilla firefox has none of these and well its even better than what I had using windows sounds.

To be honest if I do go back to firefox unless anything changes it will have to be some version of 56, 57 has a lot of issues with its configuration.

Google has issues with extentions but I can get past that, and security dialogs well I'd really like to see if these can be handled somehow even if there is something to process them outside chrome.




On 14/11/2017 9:44 p.m., Steve Nutt wrote:
Hi,


I’ve liked Chrome a lot better for a long while, and it’s faster too.


All the best


Steve


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: 13 November 2017 23:38
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] nvda and chrome reader mode


hi

If you use chrome. then you want an addon or extension obtained from chrome webstore, called

murcury reader.

and you activate it by pressing alt grave accent, sometimes called single quote. to the left of number 1 on the top number row. this brings up a new window with a close murcury reader at the top and the article nicely formatted without links and ads and video clutter is down below. I am really starting to like chrome more than I like firefox right now. It's really fast and the free murcury reader addon lets me read articles without clutter. murcury reader also has a button that lets you send any web article directly to an amazon kindle if you have one. It's quite nice. now if we get NVDA working good in chrome with google docs sheets and slides that would be good.


Josh



Re: NVDA and Firefox 57

 

The only big issue I have with ff is the interaction of form fields in options of addons to change them.

If this can be sorted out then maybe I try again.

On 15/11/2017 7:04 a.m., Don H wrote:
I am finding that NVDA 2017-3 works just fine with Firefox version 57.




Re: that dll message that I was geting with nvda

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Why does auto spell check not let me put git hub. grr.
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 5:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] that dll message that I was geting with nvda


Sound to me like they are both trying to use that dll, for all I know Jaws may well be putting a modified copy in. I'd hesitate that it might be doing it on purpose but it might well be tweaked to get around some windows issue.
Might be worth raising an issue on Gather for this in case nvaccess can duplicate it.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "The Wolf" <hank.smith966@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 3:44 PM
Subject: [nvda] that dll message that I was geting with nvda


Hello I can confirm at least on my machine that when ever I install jaws2018 I get that dll message that I was getting before when launching nvda

I restored my machine to before I installed jaws2018 so all is ok but thought that I would let the list know

I don't know what is going on but at this point I can't run jaws2018 with out it breaking nvda






NVDA and Firefox 57

Don H
 

I am finding that NVDA 2017-3 works just fine with Firefox version 57.


Re: nvda and chrome reader mode

 

How do you get past security dialogs say for logging into an ip based webpage like a router or something, what key do I hit ot accept things.

I thought I configured that right and it seemed to work but it must not save or something.

On 14/11/2017 11:06 p.m., David Moore wrote:
Yes!
I have been using Chrome for two years, and I have always had all good things to say about it.
It is so fast, that is what I could not believe when I starting using it.
Downloads go almost twice as fast, and I can open web sites much faster.
David Moore
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Steve Nutt
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 3:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda and chrome reader mode

Hi,

I’ve liked Chrome a lot better for a long while, and it’s faster too.

All the best

Steve

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: 13 November 2017 23:38
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] nvda and chrome reader mode

hi
If you use chrome. then you want an addon or extension obtained from chrome webstore, called
murcury reader.
and you activate it by pressing alt grave accent, sometimes called single quote. to the left of number 1 on the top number row. this brings up a new window with a close murcury reader at the top and the article nicely formatted without links and ads and video clutter is down below. I am really starting to like chrome more than I like firefox right now. It's really fast and the free murcury reader addon lets me read articles without clutter. murcury reader also has a button that lets you send any web article directly to an amazon kindle if you have one. It's quite nice. now if we get NVDA working good in chrome with google docs sheets and slides that would be good.

Josh


Re: firefox what was the fuss exactly?

 

Well for security reasons you may have to but to be honest, I agree, the new firefox engine secure as it is means a lot of stuff we are used to is gone and a few more niggles.

I'd actually prefur if they just kept 56.x secured as it is.

Chrome was the quickest way for me to stay secure and in business.

However if I didn't care firefox 56 would have been what I do.

Ofcause if I could fine a way without doodling with complex addons to make my ff 52 broadcast a firefox 56 or higher on some sites then I'd have no issue with it.

I still prefur firefox to chrome for its ease of use but they are going to make it newer so.

To be honest if mozilla do what they say they are doing I do hope something comes up next year, if firefox gets better then maybe I switch back to firefox.

On 14/11/2017 10:11 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Well the beta I tried simply refused to say anything but unknown on any page, though most of the menus still worked.

I'm not inclined to update since I use the sound, particularly the one when a page has fully loaded and the one that tells me a link has in fact activated and of course download complete


I have seen elsewhere where people think these sounds are pointless. I dispute this as everyone is different and I really only use browsers where I can actually hear that things are going on. for example I've always noticed that screenreaders sometimes do not figure out the page has loaded, but navigational sounds does and hence allows me to re focus the screenreader.
Also I would not know if a download had completed if the download pane was hidden without a sound.
Some links click but clickables do not so sometimes you can figure out what is which sort of link on a page this way. In a way it would be even better if button link and clickable had different sounds to save one getting confused.

I think the list of things some of us want in a browser is obviously going to be different to what the sighted want, so one will really need somebody at Mozilla etc to write blind specific add ons for a browser.
Its far easier when trying to teach somebody how to use a browser to be able to say, if you do not hear x then its not worked.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 6:42 PM
Subject: [nvda] firefox what was the fuss exactly?


Hi.

Well While brousing firefox ftp today I decided to try firefox 57 as it was on releases today.

What exactly was the fuss?

Firefox interface loads fast, no lag, but I havn't tried big sites maybe a couple seconds for audiogames forum.

Addons, noscript, aparently this will not work till actual release of firefox.

Navigational sounds.

I am trying to find a replacement, the author of this said that because the new interface doesn't allow for registry access one can't get the list of events to do things with.

I tried 3 of them so far.

Notification sound, noise and download sound.

Download sound has no options or rather any way I can configure it to suit.

Noise has options but there are no default events set and I tried to add what I wanted and define its sounds but I can't set values and going to its website found that while there is a web version all features are basically not there.

Notification sound is another, but its got no options screen.

Something like noise would be fine if it had an default event list which just used the windows schemes directly to the files etc.

I only need web navigation start and end, and download complete as a start.

If there was a way I could easily add events, or something that would be good but I'd like a list for beginners I could import.

Over those though, I did notice and turn on the extra privacy protection, I have left active the unwanted software protection but I heard from some that this can cause problems.

I also read the article about accessibility services and how they can be misused.

It does say if you have a compatible jaws or nvda active on your system that you should leave this active.

This is interesting, dolphin stuff is not on this list it makes me wander, while I do use dolphin stuff myself for things their web stuff is only for ie and ie 6-8 mainly.

Still its an observation only.

I must say off the bat what I really like about firefox are the easy option layouts, I just wish there was a way to extend them to well have extras for addons rather than mucking about with the manager.

I do like the fact you can have arrow navigation on.

I did get noscript revived but when I hit a site with scripts on it never actually notified me at all.

I guess I have to fiddle with it, I do hope thatnoscript does go out and get released.

Today is the 14th in nz and tomorrow it will be 14th in us and so, I am probably going to have to keep firefox 57 loaded though I am tempted to drop back to 56.02 for now and get my sounds back.






.


Re: nvda and chrome reader mode

 

My issue is with extention add and remove and security windows for bt sync and my router.

I got my router and printer set but it just won't accept my locally connect resilio server which is fine I just use ie.

The thing is though this never had me have an issue with firefox.

Sometimes it tries to predict what I want to do with a link, when I right click it.

There are waaay to many clickable clickable clickables for my liking so I had to set an app config with that off.

These alone will not get me to switch back.

It starting slow on first run on system start and the fact while running windows update seems to error out while the brouser is running is still not going to stop me either.

However, all those added up, to be honest if firefox noscript comes back, dispite the issues 57 has, heck I may wait for 59 but once ff is stable enough, I am tempted to go back.

The security dialogs are the biggest thing for me, chrome dropps into a mode and any keys I hit just say unknown there is probably a keyboard shortcut to allow stuff through but it just won't let me do it.

It may mean I just get an outdated firefox 56.02 or something for things that don't work as well with chrome.

One thing noscript did was make sites like twitter easier to work with.

One thing chrome does is sync all passwords to my cloud which means 1 login only and the fact it knows what I do.

But there are little pieces of the interface I just don't care for.

Its a pitty the new skype app is not like chrome itself.

One thing both microsoft and firefox could do off the bat is what chrome does with accessability.

A dedicated access menu and section on the google store, sure chromevox is a bit of a gimic but the rest, there are a lot of options there is probably an accessible theme but I havn't gone that far.

I was able to get just about everything except noscript working on chrome, I have a good download sound addon and a good sfx webpage navigation addon.

Mozilla firefox has none of these and well its even better than what I had using windows sounds.

To be honest if I do go back to firefox unless anything changes it will have to be some version of 56, 57 has a lot of issues with its configuration.

Google has issues with extentions but I can get past that, and security dialogs well I'd really like to see if these can be handled somehow even if there is something to process them outside chrome.

On 14/11/2017 9:44 p.m., Steve Nutt wrote:
Hi,


I’ve liked Chrome a lot better for a long while, and it’s faster too.


All the best


Steve


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: 13 November 2017 23:38
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] nvda and chrome reader mode


hi

If you use chrome. then you want an addon or extension obtained from chrome webstore, called

murcury reader.

and you activate it by pressing alt grave accent, sometimes called single quote. to the left of number 1 on the top number row. this brings up a new window with a close murcury reader at the top and the article nicely formatted without links and ads and video clutter is down below. I am really starting to like chrome more than I like firefox right now. It's really fast and the free murcury reader addon lets me read articles without clutter. murcury reader also has a button that lets you send any web article directly to an amazon kindle if you have one. It's quite nice. now if we get NVDA working good in chrome with google docs sheets and slides that would be good.


Josh


Re: creat portable copy

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Well I see many replies to this email. I'm not quite sure why you want to create a portable copy by the command line. It seems to me that if this is a borrowed computer then you just need some nice person to download nvda to a stick and tell you what its name is.
IE if they save it or copy it to the root, ie the drives bottom level. Lets say its G: for a ram stick you plugged in. Normally if it is the only item on that drive then you might find that the folder is opened already when its put in the computer or you might get a menu up asking for what to do. You only need sighted help to run that file the once as then it will be able to be saved as a portable working copy, and while you are still in nvda you can e even put a shortcut on your desktop a neamed at it if you want to. Of course if the machine is windows 10, you may need to install it on the computer, but whoever you borrowed the computer from may worry, but its not intrusive as you know you can have it simply not run at start up.
It might be best if they did it as they will need administrator rights in any case.

With this and all the other replies I hope you can get something sorted. Remember also that windows 10 still has a reasonable narrator on it and though sluggish does work.
Brian

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From: "Vanessa Ochoa via Groups.Io" <barroyo22=yahoo.com@groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 1:40 AM
Subject: [nvda] creat portable copy


hi list something terrible happened to my desktop and somebody lend me her laptop for as long as i need it it was almost three weeks without a computer and so i had to get cut up with mor than thirty thousand emails i received a feature that i really
wantedwitch was to create a portable copy using the run command i ried many different ways of doing it but i do not understand it can somebody using the path g:\nvda or any other path you want show me how exactly to enter it tin to the run command it says path must be specified but i do not get how love this feature but have not been able to use it to my advantage
Vanessa!


Re: Help with screen review command, please.

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In screen review you must navigate with the arrow keys to the piece of text and press enter. If you mean object navigation, there you have to press nvda + shift + m to move the mouse to the object you want and press left mouse click to activate it. It is very useful in partly inaccessible programs. I use both screen review and object navigation very often.

In object navigation you must know that objects contain other objects. So for example if you go in outlook in the object today you will navigate with right arrow between your messages of today. If you press up arrow, then you come back to the object today. At this point when you press right you land on the object yesterday for example. Press down and you can navigate between the messages of yesterday and so on and so on. It works similarly in status bar, ribbon, nenu bars and other.


Best
Adriani

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Am 14.11.2017 um 12:05 schrieb Lisa P Geibel <lisapgeibel429@gmail.com>:

Hi all,

How can you activate something when you land on it. This is an issue I'm having and can't figure it out. I unfortunately have to resort to the use of JAWS for this as I can route the JAWS cursor to the PC cursor, then hit the left mouse key twice to activate it. Is there a way to do this with NVDA?

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On 11/13/17 8:56 PM, Tyler Spivey wrote:
Shift numpad7 and shift numpad3 are what you want.
On 11/13/2017 5:45 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
So basically, the question is, how to move to the top left corner of the screen within screen review, and then, how to move to the end of the current line within review mode's focus.



Re: firefox is now chrome

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Chromevox has a long history, back when Chrome book computers first started, they accessed all their aps through the web interface of Chrome browser. ie it was not running windows. They built in a rudamentary screenreader to help people its always been very basic and I have never bothered with it as it was really only relevant in the above context as soon Chrome implimented apis for its windows version which allowed other screenreaders to be used.
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From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 6:39 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox is now chrome


Its a screen reader its more basic than nvda it uses sapi and google tts.




On 14/11/2017 7:35 p.m., zahra wrote:
hello.
could you please someone explane for me in details that whats the chromevox?
i did not understand whats it.
is it a screen reader which works just in chrome?
if so, which synthesizer does it have?
God bless you all.

On 11/14/17, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:
The only issue I did have was connecting to my bt sync server, and my
router in fact any device with an ip address.

I got a lot of unknowns, I assume it was a security dialog, I had to go
to the address bar, shift tab once, hit the information button then
allow this site always then hit reload, then it let it go through.

I do wish that security dialogs and extention add dialogs got read
chrome dropps into a chrome legacy window instead of a document window
and screen readers can't read legacy windows so well.




On 14/11/2017 11:00 a.m., Sally Kiebdaj wrote:
Hello Mary,


Chrome has an extension called Chromevox which acts as a screen
reader. NVDA also works with Chrome, though.


Warm regards,

Sally



On 11/13/2017 4:47 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
So does chrome have a reader at on, rather like what you get with
Safari either on a Mac or on the phone? The android version of chrome
doesn’t have that, and it’s a huge disadvantage in my opinion. I’m
guessing that the desktop version either has it built in or at least
has an ad on.
Mary


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On Nov 13, 2017, at 1:03 PM, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
wrote:

Hi.

Ok guys decided to cut my losses and switched to chrome.

What an experience change.

Its true I need to do a bit more configging but just about every
file just saves now.

And access wize there are accessibility addons.

For me noscript doesn't come but the rest.

First https everywhere, privacy badger and ublock origin exist thats
good.

I use download notifier for sounds, and google sound effects tweaked
so it doesn't make sounds for everything I do key typing scroling
down pages, etc.

However its better than the crappy addon I have on firefox.

Its got accessibility features and its fully configurable, maybe ms
should take a leaf out of google's book for their stuff because
headings for everything.

The only issues I have is when removing addon extentions I have to
hit enter twice as there is a lot of unknown and the same with
adding extentions tab once and hit enter.

I also don't care for the top down approach of the google app store.

However I am fully setup and while it could be better, I do believe
that firefox as it stands is history with me.

Noscript, well its not really important right now, everything works
as needed.

I do feel sad leaving firefox though.




On 14/11/2017 8:51 a.m., Gene wrote:
Why do some people care so much about browser sounds? When a page
has finished opening, you'll know it because the screen-reader
automatically starts to read it. When a page doesn't load for some
reason, a lot of the time there is an error message. When you
download a file, you can easily check the estimated time remaining
for the download. I understand the desire to hear a sound when a
download finishes because that will tell you, without you having to
check or without perhaps getting busy with something else and
forgetting to check in a timely manner. But how much of the
concern with sounds is just habit? Maybe people would be surprised
if they didn't use browser sounds for three days as a trial, how
quickly almost all of the sounds fade into insignificance. Even
the download finished sound may decrease significantly in importance.
Gene
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From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 1:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] firefox sort of fixed


Hi.

Ok, got an addon called download sound this works for downloads,
sadly I
don't get when sites open like navigation sounds, but if anything else
the download sound is the important event sound is a bit loud though.





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