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Re: Unveiling Braille Me - World's Most Affordable Smart Braille Display

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

If we get a reasonable margin, IE enough to cover support etc, not all
dealers, myself included, will raise the price. I am hoping to become a
dealer anyway.

Not all dealers are greedy, remember that. If I can make a living, I'm
happy.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David
Sent: 13 November 2017 20:19
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unveiling Braille Me - World's Most Affordable Smart
Braille Display

Releasing a Braille display, in 2018, holding only 6-dots - well that seems
a bit old-fashioned, doesn't it? What really, did they have to save on two
extra dots?


OK, we have seen 6-dot computer Braille, using two characters for
representing one computer character, like the backslash, digits and certain
others, even the Captalized characters. Yet, most Braille computer users,
might agree, the 8-dots makes it much easier to cooperate with the actual
contents of the screen. Try routing to a character on the screen, or lining
up contents, when you have some of the characters represented by two cells
on the display.


I do woncder, if they have solved these issues in any other way?


Pricing seem interesting enough, except from the fact they are asking for
dealers. My thought is, that likely these dealers will raise the product
price drastically. When they first informed about the development, I
contacted them and asked if it would be sold directly to end-users, and it
seems they somehow have changed the intentions.
Shipping, Taxes and dealer's money-making - be prepared for prices
50-100 percent higher. And by then, a 6-dot display with the drawbacks
thereof, might be little interesting. You might soon enough look at other
products.


Will be interesting to follow the product though, as we might see more
user-feedback, and on-hand experiences.


The idea, intention and release is of great interest, I think. But it
cannot be left-out, the disappointment when it only holds 6-dots. Even,
they could have run two models, 6-dot for a lower price, and 8-dots as
an alternative. Honestly, my first Braille display ever, was in '84, and
even back then 8-dots were the standard for computerized operation.
close to 35 years later, 6-dots?


On 11/13/2017 3:14 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
Never mind Youtube, the press release quoted below states "It has a
six-dot
20-cell braille display, a Perkins-style keypad, cursor routing buttons
and
few navigation keys."

That is quite clear.


Antony.

On Monday 13 November 2017 at 14:04:24, Alexander Masic wrote:

I am little hasitating. Because the display has only 6 dots if I have
understand that youtobeclip corect, and that has some problems.

Den 2017-11-13 kl. 13:32, skrev Josh Kennedy:
will this display work with NVDA also?




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Subject: Unveiling Braille Me - World's Most Affordable Smart Braille
Display
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 03:10:09 -0800
From: Innovision <shyam@innovisiontech.co>
To: joshknnd1982@gmail.com



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Re: Spellchecker Microsoft office word 2017

Steve Nutt
 

Yep, much better than having to enter browse mode just to do that.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rod Hutton
Sent: 13 November 2017 17:40
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Spellchecker Microsoft office word 2017

 

Hi Steve,

 

That is correct.

Alt-semi-colon and Alt-apostrophe go to the previous and next spelling error in context, respectively, using Window-Eyes.

 

Best,

 

Rod

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: November 13, 2017 4:17 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Spellchecker Microsoft office word 2017

 

Hi,

 

It’s a shame you have to go into Browse to do it.  WE and JFW just let you use hotkeys, in the case of WE, it is Alt ; and Alt ‘ if I remember right for prev and next.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: 13 November 2017 03:12
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Spellchecker Microsoft office word 2017

 

You can also jump to next spelling error using NVDA by:

- Pressing NVDA+spacebar to go into Browse mode.

- Press w to move to the next spelling error or shift+w to move to the previous spelling error.

 

Note that you'll need to go back to focus mode with NVDA+spacebar to edit text again.

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Sat, Nov 11, 2017 at 9:04 AM, Rod Hutton <rod_hutton@...> wrote:

Hi,

 

By default, MS word will highlight spelling errors automatically as you move through a document, making it unnecessary to activate the spell checker to proof a document.

I am told that sighted people see these misspelled words as underlined words, and I suppose this is what NVDA is detecting such that it can identify them for us.

Therefore, as I see it, you can move to the misspelled word in context, press the Applications key, and move through the pull-down menu and review the replacement possibilities, and one of the elements in the pull-down is the highlighted misspelled word itself for your convenience.

You can then make your choice and press Enter.

 

I hope this helps,

 

Rod

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jo Collingwood
Sent: November 9, 2017 2:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Spellchecker Microsoft office word 2017

 

Can anyone tell me how to make the wrongly spelt word in spellchecker be announced before moving to suggestions please? On office 10 NVDA read the word and sentence so you knew which word was highlighted in the dialogue box. I’ve tried read current line, say word , spell word but nothing reads so my student doesn’t know which word he is correcting at the time. The layout is different too as are the shortcuts for change and ignore



 

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Re: create portable copy

Quentin Christensen
 

Ok I know what Vanessa is asking.  In recent snapshot builds we have added the ability to create a portable copy from the command line.  The syntax of this would be:

nvda.exe --create-portable --portable-path g:\nvda

It is possible to run this from the snapshot build setup file, for instance:

"nvda_snapshot_next-14601,e62a168e.exe" --create-portable --portable-path g:\nvda

(note the quotes because long file name)

Regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 5:13 PM, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:

hi Vanessa!


out of curiosity have you already put nvda onto a usb stick? was a folder called nvda on the usb stick and all of the files put into that?


so now is the question more like how do you start nvda on a new computer?


You can use say narrator to start it up from the usb stick.


What can happen also from a usb stick is the drive letter changes to start it.


i do have examples of different ways of starting nvda from a usb stick as well as a CD if the auto play menu is enabled.


the older way is pressing the windows key + the letter r


In the edit box in most cases the C: drive is the hard drive, some computers have a partitioned drive which is the letter D and the DVD burner could be the E: drive. But this could change from computer to computer. So if this was the case it might be the f: drive when the usb stick was inserted. so in the run dialogue box you would type f::\nvda\nvda.exe then press the enter key. You would repeat this until it started.


I like the JJJ one for starting nvda on a computer etc.


Any how there is examples on my nvda audio tutorials page which will point you in the right direction. Just look for the tutorials that refer to starting nvda with a usb stick.


The link to this page is http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20audio%20tutorials.html

I hope it helps to get you up and running on the new pc. Also from the portable version you can install the installer version from that as well there is also directions on doing that.


the operating system maybe back then was either Windows xp, 7, 8 or 10 but the process is the same idea.


Gene nz



On 11/14/2017 5:49 PM, Vanessa Ochoa via Groups.Io wrote:
ok i do not have a problem with path i know how to do that. what i want is a real example of how to put in the run dialog for example to estart nvda you do nvda -r hope you can understand more what i mean where do you exatly put the path please give me an example like nvda restart with dashes and spaces and anything required the way you the the string
 and the place of the path is what i am totattly missing please help
Vanessa!

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Re: firefox sort of fixed

 

hi Cristóbal
can you please tell me how to disable all animations in firefox entirely?
thanks for your help, God bless you!

On 11/14/17, Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@tiflotecnia.com> wrote:
By the way:
1 - Do not forget that some of us do not have english as first language;
2 - Before critizing ortographic errors, check if you are writing correctly

the name of the person you want to correct...
3 - Next time, do it in private mode and not in the list!

Rui Fontes

-----Mensagem Original-----
De: Lino Morales
Data: 13 de novembro de 2017 21:56
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] firefox sort of fixed

BTW Sean its browser not brouser. Take care.


On 11/13/2017 3:07 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
You are right I don't really need brouser sounds.

However the fact I can't navigate the options of the addons manager is a
bit of a problem.

Download sound is fine but I just find the addon's download sound a bit to

loud and can't change that.

I have pulled back to 56.02 for now as I just don't have the time to
bother with web brousers just now.

Then again 57 seemed to load faster.

Noscript is the big show stopper, I like controling sites I load.

If its in google chrome I may try it and see.




On 14/11/2017 8:51 a.m., Gene wrote:
Why do some people care so much about browser sounds? When a page has
finished opening, you'll know it because the screen-reader automatically

starts to read it. When a page doesn't load for some reason, a lot of the

time there is an error message. When you download a file, you can easily

check the estimated time remaining for the download. I understand the
desire to hear a sound when a download finishes because that will tell
you, without you having to check or without perhaps getting busy with
something else and forgetting to check in a timely manner. But how much

of the concern with sounds is just habit? Maybe people would be
surprised if they didn't use browser sounds for three days as a trial,
how quickly almost all of the sounds fade into insignificance. Even the

download finished sound may decrease significantly in importance.
Gene
----- Original Message -----


From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 1:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] firefox sort of fixed


Hi.

Ok, got an addon called download sound this works for downloads, sadly I
don't get when sites open like navigation sounds, but if anything else
the download sound is the important event sound is a bit loud though.











--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org


Re: firefox is now chrome

 

Its a screen reader its more basic than nvda it uses sapi and google tts.

On 14/11/2017 7:35 p.m., zahra wrote:
hello.
could you please someone explane for me in details that whats the chromevox?
i did not understand whats it.
is it a screen reader which works just in chrome?
if so, which synthesizer does it have?
God bless you all.

On 11/14/17, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:
The only issue I did have was connecting to my bt sync server, and my
router in fact any device with an ip address.

I got a lot of unknowns, I assume it was a security dialog, I had to go
to the address bar, shift tab once, hit the information button then
allow this site always then hit reload, then it let it go through.

I do wish that security dialogs and extention add dialogs got read
chrome dropps into a chrome legacy window instead of a document window
and screen readers can't read legacy windows so well.




On 14/11/2017 11:00 a.m., Sally Kiebdaj wrote:
Hello Mary,


Chrome has an extension called Chromevox which acts as a screen
reader. NVDA also works with Chrome, though.


Warm regards,

Sally



On 11/13/2017 4:47 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
So does chrome have a reader at on, rather like what you get with
Safari either on a Mac or on the phone? The android version of chrome
doesn’t have that, and it’s a huge disadvantage in my opinion. I’m
guessing that the desktop version either has it built in or at least
has an ad on.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 13, 2017, at 1:03 PM, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
wrote:

Hi.

Ok guys decided to cut my losses and switched to chrome.

What an experience change.

Its true I need to do a bit more configging but just about every
file just saves now.

And access wize there are accessibility addons.

For me noscript doesn't come but the rest.

First https everywhere, privacy badger and ublock origin exist thats
good.

I use download notifier for sounds, and google sound effects tweaked
so it doesn't make sounds for everything I do key typing scroling
down pages, etc.

However its better than the crappy addon I have on firefox.

Its got accessibility features and its fully configurable, maybe ms
should take a leaf out of google's book for their stuff because
headings for everything.

The only issues I have is when removing addon extentions I have to
hit enter twice as there is a lot of unknown and the same with
adding extentions tab once and hit enter.

I also don't care for the top down approach of the google app store.

However I am fully setup and while it could be better, I do believe
that firefox as it stands is history with me.

Noscript, well its not really important right now, everything works
as needed.

I do feel sad leaving firefox though.




On 14/11/2017 8:51 a.m., Gene wrote:
Why do some people care so much about browser sounds?  When a page
has finished opening, you'll know it because the screen-reader
automatically starts to read it.  When a page doesn't load for some
reason, a lot of the time there is an error message.  When you
download a file, you can easily check the estimated time remaining
for the download.  I understand the desire to hear a sound when a
download finishes because that will tell you, without you having to
check or without perhaps getting busy with something else and
forgetting to check in a timely manner.  But how much of the
concern with sounds is just habit?  Maybe people would be surprised
if they didn't use browser sounds for three days as a trial, how
quickly almost all of the sounds fade into insignificance.  Even
the download finished sound may decrease significantly in importance.
Gene
----- Original Message -----


From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 1:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] firefox sort of fixed


Hi.

Ok, got an addon called download sound this works for downloads,
sadly I
don't get when sites open like navigation sounds, but if anything else
the download sound is the important event sound is a bit loud though.





.



Re: firefox is now chrome

 

hello.
could you please someone explane for me in details that whats the chromevox?
i did not understand whats it.
is it a screen reader which works just in chrome?
if so, which synthesizer does it have?
God bless you all.

On 11/14/17, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:
The only issue I did have was connecting to my bt sync server, and my
router in fact any device with an ip address.

I got a lot of unknowns, I assume it was a security dialog, I had to go
to the address bar, shift tab once, hit the information button then
allow this site always then hit reload, then it let it go through.

I do wish that security dialogs and extention add dialogs got read
chrome dropps into a chrome legacy window instead of a document window
and screen readers can't read legacy windows so well.




On 14/11/2017 11:00 a.m., Sally Kiebdaj wrote:
Hello Mary,


Chrome has an extension called Chromevox which acts as a screen
reader. NVDA also works with Chrome, though.


Warm regards,

Sally



On 11/13/2017 4:47 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
So does chrome have a reader at on, rather like what you get with
Safari either on a Mac or on the phone? The android version of chrome
doesn’t have that, and it’s a huge disadvantage in my opinion. I’m
guessing that the desktop version either has it built in or at least
has an ad on.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 13, 2017, at 1:03 PM, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
wrote:

Hi.

Ok guys decided to cut my losses and switched to chrome.

What an experience change.

Its true I need to do a bit more configging but just about every
file just saves now.

And access wize there are accessibility addons.

For me noscript doesn't come but the rest.

First https everywhere, privacy badger and ublock origin exist thats
good.

I use download notifier for sounds, and google sound effects tweaked
so it doesn't make sounds for everything I do key typing scroling
down pages, etc.

However its better than the crappy addon I have on firefox.

Its got accessibility features and its fully configurable, maybe ms
should take a leaf out of google's book for their stuff because
headings for everything.

The only issues I have is when removing addon extentions I have to
hit enter twice as there is a lot of unknown and the same with
adding extentions tab once and hit enter.

I also don't care for the top down approach of the google app store.

However I am fully setup and while it could be better, I do believe
that firefox as it stands is history with me.

Noscript, well its not really important right now, everything works
as needed.

I do feel sad leaving firefox though.




On 14/11/2017 8:51 a.m., Gene wrote:
Why do some people care so much about browser sounds?  When a page
has finished opening, you'll know it because the screen-reader
automatically starts to read it.  When a page doesn't load for some
reason, a lot of the time there is an error message.  When you
download a file, you can easily check the estimated time remaining
for the download.  I understand the desire to hear a sound when a
download finishes because that will tell you, without you having to
check or without perhaps getting busy with something else and
forgetting to check in a timely manner.  But how much of the
concern with sounds is just habit?  Maybe people would be surprised
if they didn't use browser sounds for three days as a trial, how
quickly almost all of the sounds fade into insignificance.  Even
the download finished sound may decrease significantly in importance.
Gene
----- Original Message -----


From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 1:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] firefox sort of fixed


Hi.

Ok, got an addon called download sound this works for downloads,
sadly I
don't get when sites open like navigation sounds, but if anything else
the download sound is the important event sound is a bit loud though.







.



--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org


Re: Help with screen review command, please.

 

hi gene.
i also needed this command.
thanks for your help, God bless you.

On 11/14/17, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@gmail.com> wrote:
Just tried Gene's instructions, and it worked beautifully. Again, thank you
for the help. That makes my life a million! times easier!
---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries

http://www.gshministry.org
(980) 500-9575
----- Original Message -----
From: Christopher-Mark Gilland
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 9:55 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Help with screen review command, please.


Gene, thank you.

This is perfect! Exactly what I needed.
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Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries

http://www.gshministry.org
(980) 500-9575
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 9:31 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Help with screen review command, please.


Shift numpad 7, move to top of screen.
Shift numpad 1, move to the start of whatever line you are on. Shift
numpad three to move to the end.
You can route and click the mouse, as you know. You can also use the
command numpad insert numpad enter to perform the default action on whatever
item you are on, if there is a default action that can be performed there.
It may not always work or perform the action you want so you can try both
methods if one doesn't work.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 7:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Help with screen review command, please.


OK, let's start with the specs:

NVDA 2017.3, Windows 10 Professional 64 bit on the latest non-insider
build, all updates have been successfully applied, and yes, I do have the
most up to date Windows 10 Essentials.

OK, so here is my situation.

I'm using Poikosoft's EZ Audio Converter to rip a few CD's I bought back
in the days.

That however notwithstanding, this program, in general, is super, and I
do mean, super! super heavy on either screen review, or object navigation.
BTW, if you're trying this with JAWS, forget it!

Anyway, here's what happens. With the NVDA desktop layout, I'm hitting
NVDA+Numpad 7 to move to screen review, as I still am having issues getting
the hang of object nav, but even the bit I do use it, it's not making things
any quicker in this case.

I'm then pressing and holding down numpad 7 for about 2 seconds, to
quickly move myself to the top line of the screen within screen review.

So, my first question is, rather than hitting numpad 7 over and over
again, or holding it down letting key repeat take over and eventually get me
to the top of the screen, is there a command within screen review mode that
will move to the very top left most item on the screen?

Then, next, I'm hitting numpad 9 to move down a line. The rip CD icon
which needs to be manually clicked with screen review mode, is at the far
right of this line on the screen. Therefore, after I hit numpad 9, I'm then
having to hit numpad 6 to move word by word at least a good 6 or 7 times
before I hit the icon. Then, I'm having to route the mouse to my screen
review with NVDA+numpad slash, then hit numpad slash to click.

I'm just thinking, there's gotta! be an easier way than this.

Typically, what I'd like is hit NVDA+numpad 7 to move to screen review,
then hit one command to move to the top left of the screen, hit another
command to move down one line with review, probably numpad 9, then hit
another key which I don't know, to move to the end of that line within
screen review. This way, rather than having to hit numpad 6 to move word by
word by word across that line, I could just quickly move to the end of that
line, which would then naturally focus me on the rip button, then I could
simply just route my mouse, click, and presto. Done!

So basically, the question is, how to move to the top left corner of the
screen within screen review, and then, how to move to the end of the current
line within review mode's focus.

Chris.

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Re: create portable copy

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

hi Vanessa!


out of curiosity have you already put nvda onto a usb stick? was a folder called nvda on the usb stick and all of the files put into that?


so now is the question more like how do you start nvda on a new computer?


You can use say narrator to start it up from the usb stick.


What can happen also from a usb stick is the drive letter changes to start it.


i do have examples of different ways of starting nvda from a usb stick as well as a CD if the auto play menu is enabled.


the older way is pressing the windows key + the letter r


In the edit box in most cases the C: drive is the hard drive, some computers have a partitioned drive which is the letter D and the DVD burner could be the E: drive. But this could change from computer to computer. So if this was the case it might be the f: drive when the usb stick was inserted. so in the run dialogue box you would type f::\nvda\nvda.exe then press the enter key. You would repeat this until it started.


I like the JJJ one for starting nvda on a computer etc.


Any how there is examples on my nvda audio tutorials page which will point you in the right direction. Just look for the tutorials that refer to starting nvda with a usb stick.


The link to this page is http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20audio%20tutorials.html

I hope it helps to get you up and running on the new pc. Also from the portable version you can install the installer version from that as well there is also directions on doing that.


the operating system maybe back then was either Windows xp, 7, 8 or 10 but the process is the same idea.


Gene nz



On 11/14/2017 5:49 PM, Vanessa Ochoa via Groups.Io wrote:
ok i do not have a problem with path i know how to do that. what i want is a real example of how to put in the run dialog for example to estart nvda you do nvda -r hope you can understand more what i mean where do you exatly put the path please give me an example like nvda restart with dashes and spaces and anything required the way you the the string
 and the place of the path is what i am totattly missing please help
Vanessa!

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Re: create portable copy

Gene
 

I'm not sure what you mean by the place of the path.  if you run the NVDA installer and create a portable version, as I recall, there is an edit field where you can type the path. 
 
I'm not sure what you want to know about the run dialog.  Do you mean, what do you type in the run dialog when you want to run the portable version?
 

Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 10:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] create portable copy

ok i do not have a problem with path i know how to do that. what i want is a real example of how to put in the run dialog for example to estart nvda you do nvda -r hope you can understand more what i mean where do you exatly put the path please give me an example like nvda restart with dashes and spaces and anything required the way you the the string
 and the place of the path is what i am totattly missing please help
Vanessa!


Re: create portable copy

Gene
 

I'm not sure what you are asking.  Let's say you have a folder on the g drive named programs and you have made a folder in the programs folder named NVDA.
Written out so that your screen-reader will read it no matter how punctuation is set the path is:
g colon backslash programs backslash nvda. 
Written exactly as you would write it and you can see the exact path if you move character by character through it, it is written as follows:
g:\programs\nvda
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 10:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] create portable copy

ok i do not have a problem with path i know how to do that. what i want is a real example of how to put in the run dialog for example to estart nvda you do nvda -r hope you can understand more what i mean where do you exatly put the path please give me an example like nvda restart with dashes and spaces and anything required the way you the the string
 and the place of the path is what i am totattly missing please help
Vanessa!


Re: create portable copy

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 


I'm not entirely sure what you are asking, Vanessa.
 
Your e-mail is a bit mangled, and with all due respect, even with a braille display, it was very difficult for me to decipher.
 
If I'm understanding you correctly however, you are wanting a real-life example of what, and where you would type the string to get NVDA running from a portable copy. Is that right?
 
I believe this really depends on where specifically you store the portable copy you've created.
 
For example, if you have a USB flash drive, which on your PC is the D, as in delta, drive, then on that drive, you have created a directory called "NVDA" which will hold the portable installation, then you would go to the Windows Run dialog, with Windows key+R.
 
You'll land in a text field. This is where you then type the path to the executable for the NVDA's portable installation which you have created.
 
In the above scenareo whereby your D drive is your flash drive, and you, on the flash drive made a directory to host the installation called NVDA, you would then write the following into this text field, which is located within the run dialog which you opened by pressing Windows key+R.
 
D:\NVDA\NVDA.EXE
 
Then, press enter.
 
If all goes well, your portable copy, provided that you are using the same file hierarchy as described above, should launch and start working.
 
If this isn't what you're after, then please try restating your question, trying not to jumble the words together so extreme. - Not your fault necessarily, but it really does make it a bit difficult to read. Smile. We're definitely here to help though where we can.
 
Chris.


Re: create portable copy

Vanessa Ochoa
 

ok i do not have a problem with path i know how to do that. what i want is a real example of how to put in the run dialog for example to estart nvda you do nvda -r hope you can understand more what i mean where do you exatly put the path please give me an example like nvda restart with dashes and spaces and anything required the way you the the string
 and the place of the path is what i am totattly missing please help
Vanessa!


Re: QRead and automatic language switching

Cristóbal
 

I know with Jaws, you can associate a voice profile with a particular aplication. I’m not versed enough in NVDA to know whether this is possible. With Jaws at
least, you could in theory within QRead open the voice profile dialog and select a previously created language profile. In this case German.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Isige
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 7:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] QRead and automatic language switching

Automatic language switching works because the document is coded for it.
I'm guessing that QRead is just getting the text out of the PDF file and it's not responding to those codes, either because it just doesn't or because they're no longer there. So you'd have to contact the developer about adding that feature.

So for example, even if I have automatic language switching turned on and I write "es drickst de ganze Daag", it won't read that with a German voice, because it's not coded as German, as it might be on a website.
Well OK, it's Deitsch (Pennsylvania Dutch/German), so it might not recognize it even if it was coded, but still.

On 11/13/2017 17:11, Sally Kiebdaj wrote:
Hello all,


Have any of you using QRead also tried reading a document in multiple
languages?


I am testing it out with a textbook that automatically switches
between English and German when opened in Adobe. However, it defaults
to English entirely when opened in QRead.


Is this something inherent to the program and how it presents
documents or is there a setting I need to tweak?


Thank you,

Sally




Re: QRead and automatic language switching

John Isige
 

Automatic language switching works because the document is coded for it. I'm guessing that QRead is just getting the text out of the PDF file and it's not responding to those codes, either because it just doesn't or because they're no longer there. So you'd have to contact the developer about adding that feature.

So for example, even if I have automatic language switching turned on and I write "es drickst de ganze Daag", it won't read that with a German voice, because it's not coded as German, as it might be on a website. Well OK, it's Deitsch (Pennsylvania Dutch/German), so it might not recognize it even if it was coded, but still.

On 11/13/2017 17:11, Sally Kiebdaj wrote:
Hello all,


Have any of you using QRead also tried reading a document in multiple languages?


I am testing it out with a textbook that automatically switches between English and German when opened in Adobe. However, it defaults to English entirely when opened in QRead.


Is this something inherent to the program and how it presents documents or is there a setting I need to tweak?


Thank you,

Sally



Re: Help with screen review command, please.

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 


Just tried Gene's instructions, and it worked beautifully. Again, thank you for the help. That makes my life a million! times easier!
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 9:55 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Help with screen review command, please.

Gene, thank you.
 
This is perfect! Exactly what I needed.
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----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 9:31 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Help with screen review command, please.

Shift numpad 7, move to top of screen. 
Shift numpad 1, move to the start of whatever line you are on.  Shift numpad three to move to the end.  
You can route and click the mouse, as you know.  You can also use the command numpad insert numpad enter to perform the default action on whatever item you are on, if there is a default action that can be performed there.  It may not always work or perform the action you want so you can try both methods if one doesn't work.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 7:45 PM
Subject: [nvda] Help with screen review command, please.

OK, let's start with the specs:
 
NVDA 2017.3, Windows 10 Professional 64 bit on the latest non-insider build, all updates have been successfully applied, and yes, I do have the most up to date Windows 10 Essentials.
 
OK, so here is my situation.
 
I'm using Poikosoft's EZ Audio Converter to rip a few CD's I bought back in the days.
 
That however notwithstanding, this program, in general, is super, and I do mean, super! super heavy on either screen review, or object navigation. BTW, if you're trying this with JAWS, forget it!
 
Anyway, here's what happens. With the NVDA desktop layout, I'm hitting NVDA+Numpad 7 to move to screen review, as I still am having issues getting the hang of object nav, but even the bit I do use it, it's not making things any quicker in this case.
 
I'm then pressing and holding down numpad 7 for about 2 seconds, to quickly move myself to the top line of the screen within screen review.
 
So, my first question is, rather than hitting numpad 7 over and over again, or holding it down letting key repeat take over and eventually get me to the top of the screen, is there a command within screen review mode that will move to the very top left most item on the screen?
 
Then, next, I'm hitting numpad 9 to move down a line. The rip CD icon which needs to be manually clicked with screen review mode, is at the far right of this line on the screen. Therefore, after I hit numpad 9, I'm then having to hit numpad 6 to move word by word at least a good 6 or 7 times before I hit the icon. Then, I'm having to route the mouse to my screen review with NVDA+numpad slash, then hit numpad slash to click.
 
I'm just thinking, there's gotta! be an easier way than this.
 
Typically, what I'd like is hit NVDA+numpad 7 to move to screen review, then hit one command to move to the top left of the screen, hit another command to move down one line with review, probably numpad 9, then hit another key which I don't know, to move to the end of that line within screen review. This way, rather than having to hit numpad 6 to move word by word by word across that line, I could just quickly move to the end of that line, which would then naturally focus me on the rip button, then I could simply just route my mouse, click, and presto. Done!
 
So basically, the question is, how to move to the top left corner of the screen within screen review, and then, how to move to the end of the current line within review mode's focus.
 
Chris.


Re: Help with screen review command, please.

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 


Gene, thank you.
 
This is perfect! Exactly what I needed.
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----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 9:31 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Help with screen review command, please.

Shift numpad 7, move to top of screen. 
Shift numpad 1, move to the start of whatever line you are on.  Shift numpad three to move to the end.  
You can route and click the mouse, as you know.  You can also use the command numpad insert numpad enter to perform the default action on whatever item you are on, if there is a default action that can be performed there.  It may not always work or perform the action you want so you can try both methods if one doesn't work.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 7:45 PM
Subject: [nvda] Help with screen review command, please.

OK, let's start with the specs:
 
NVDA 2017.3, Windows 10 Professional 64 bit on the latest non-insider build, all updates have been successfully applied, and yes, I do have the most up to date Windows 10 Essentials.
 
OK, so here is my situation.
 
I'm using Poikosoft's EZ Audio Converter to rip a few CD's I bought back in the days.
 
That however notwithstanding, this program, in general, is super, and I do mean, super! super heavy on either screen review, or object navigation. BTW, if you're trying this with JAWS, forget it!
 
Anyway, here's what happens. With the NVDA desktop layout, I'm hitting NVDA+Numpad 7 to move to screen review, as I still am having issues getting the hang of object nav, but even the bit I do use it, it's not making things any quicker in this case.
 
I'm then pressing and holding down numpad 7 for about 2 seconds, to quickly move myself to the top line of the screen within screen review.
 
So, my first question is, rather than hitting numpad 7 over and over again, or holding it down letting key repeat take over and eventually get me to the top of the screen, is there a command within screen review mode that will move to the very top left most item on the screen?
 
Then, next, I'm hitting numpad 9 to move down a line. The rip CD icon which needs to be manually clicked with screen review mode, is at the far right of this line on the screen. Therefore, after I hit numpad 9, I'm then having to hit numpad 6 to move word by word at least a good 6 or 7 times before I hit the icon. Then, I'm having to route the mouse to my screen review with NVDA+numpad slash, then hit numpad slash to click.
 
I'm just thinking, there's gotta! be an easier way than this.
 
Typically, what I'd like is hit NVDA+numpad 7 to move to screen review, then hit one command to move to the top left of the screen, hit another command to move down one line with review, probably numpad 9, then hit another key which I don't know, to move to the end of that line within screen review. This way, rather than having to hit numpad 6 to move word by word by word across that line, I could just quickly move to the end of that line, which would then naturally focus me on the rip button, then I could simply just route my mouse, click, and presto. Done!
 
So basically, the question is, how to move to the top left corner of the screen within screen review, and then, how to move to the end of the current line within review mode's focus.
 
Chris.


Re: create portable copy

Gene
 

But if you type a path, create a folder first, just for the portable version.  In general, programs put themselves in a folder they create at the end of a path you specify, though you can't assume that.  NVDA doesn't, and the files are placed in the last folder of the path you specify.  So, if the path is c:\misc, that's m I s c,  and you stop there, the files and folders created will be all over the misc folder.  In this case, misc, m I s c,  is the name for my miscellaneous folder.  If you create a folder first in that folder, such as NVDA, and write the path as follows,
c:\misc\nvda
the folders and files will be placed in the NVDA folder.
 
Gene 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 7:53 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] creat portable copy

Hi Vanessa,

1. Press NVDA+n to open the NVDA menu
2. Press T for the tools menu
3. Choose the "Create portable copy" item.

Alternatively, if NVDA isn't running, you can run the setup file that you download from the website and press the "Create portable copy" button from the setup screen.

Either way, it will ask for a path, that's when you put in whatever path you want, such as G:\NVDA as you noted


Regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 12:40 PM, Vanessa Ochoa via Groups.Io <barroyo22@...> wrote:
hi list something terrible happened to my desktop and somebody lend me her laptop for as long as i need it it was almost three weeks without a computer and so i had to get cut up with mor than thirty thousand emails i received a feature that i really
 wantedwitch was to create a portable copy using the run command i ried many different ways of doing it but i do not understand it can somebody using the path g:\nvda or any other path you want show me how exactly to enter it tin to the run command it says path must be specified but i do not get how love this feature but have not been able to use it to my advantage
Vanessa!




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Re: Help with screen review command, please.

Gene
 

Shift numpad 7, move to top of screen. 
Shift numpad 1, move to the start of whatever line you are on.  Shift numpad three to move to the end.  
You can route and click the mouse, as you know.  You can also use the command numpad insert numpad enter to perform the default action on whatever item you are on, if there is a default action that can be performed there.  It may not always work or perform the action you want so you can try both methods if one doesn't work.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 7:45 PM
Subject: [nvda] Help with screen review command, please.

OK, let's start with the specs:
 
NVDA 2017.3, Windows 10 Professional 64 bit on the latest non-insider build, all updates have been successfully applied, and yes, I do have the most up to date Windows 10 Essentials.
 
OK, so here is my situation.
 
I'm using Poikosoft's EZ Audio Converter to rip a few CD's I bought back in the days.
 
That however notwithstanding, this program, in general, is super, and I do mean, super! super heavy on either screen review, or object navigation. BTW, if you're trying this with JAWS, forget it!
 
Anyway, here's what happens. With the NVDA desktop layout, I'm hitting NVDA+Numpad 7 to move to screen review, as I still am having issues getting the hang of object nav, but even the bit I do use it, it's not making things any quicker in this case.
 
I'm then pressing and holding down numpad 7 for about 2 seconds, to quickly move myself to the top line of the screen within screen review.
 
So, my first question is, rather than hitting numpad 7 over and over again, or holding it down letting key repeat take over and eventually get me to the top of the screen, is there a command within screen review mode that will move to the very top left most item on the screen?
 
Then, next, I'm hitting numpad 9 to move down a line. The rip CD icon which needs to be manually clicked with screen review mode, is at the far right of this line on the screen. Therefore, after I hit numpad 9, I'm then having to hit numpad 6 to move word by word at least a good 6 or 7 times before I hit the icon. Then, I'm having to route the mouse to my screen review with NVDA+numpad slash, then hit numpad slash to click.
 
I'm just thinking, there's gotta! be an easier way than this.
 
Typically, what I'd like is hit NVDA+numpad 7 to move to screen review, then hit one command to move to the top left of the screen, hit another command to move down one line with review, probably numpad 9, then hit another key which I don't know, to move to the end of that line within screen review. This way, rather than having to hit numpad 6 to move word by word by word across that line, I could just quickly move to the end of that line, which would then naturally focus me on the rip button, then I could simply just route my mouse, click, and presto. Done!
 
So basically, the question is, how to move to the top left corner of the screen within screen review, and then, how to move to the end of the current line within review mode's focus.
 
Chris.


Re: Help with screen review command, please.

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Christopher,

See https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html#ReviewingText for the review commands, but to answer your questions:

- Press shift+numpad 7 to move to the top line in review.
- Press shift+numpad 3 to move to the end of the current review line

Regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 12:45 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...> wrote:
OK, let's start with the specs:
 
NVDA 2017.3, Windows 10 Professional 64 bit on the latest non-insider build, all updates have been successfully applied, and yes, I do have the most up to date Windows 10 Essentials.
 
OK, so here is my situation.
 
I'm using Poikosoft's EZ Audio Converter to rip a few CD's I bought back in the days.
 
That however notwithstanding, this program, in general, is super, and I do mean, super! super heavy on either screen review, or object navigation. BTW, if you're trying this with JAWS, forget it!
 
Anyway, here's what happens. With the NVDA desktop layout, I'm hitting NVDA+Numpad 7 to move to screen review, as I still am having issues getting the hang of object nav, but even the bit I do use it, it's not making things any quicker in this case.
 
I'm then pressing and holding down numpad 7 for about 2 seconds, to quickly move myself to the top line of the screen within screen review.
 
So, my first question is, rather than hitting numpad 7 over and over again, or holding it down letting key repeat take over and eventually get me to the top of the screen, is there a command within screen review mode that will move to the very top left most item on the screen?
 
Then, next, I'm hitting numpad 9 to move down a line. The rip CD icon which needs to be manually clicked with screen review mode, is at the far right of this line on the screen. Therefore, after I hit numpad 9, I'm then having to hit numpad 6 to move word by word at least a good 6 or 7 times before I hit the icon. Then, I'm having to route the mouse to my screen review with NVDA+numpad slash, then hit numpad slash to click.
 
I'm just thinking, there's gotta! be an easier way than this.
 
Typically, what I'd like is hit NVDA+numpad 7 to move to screen review, then hit one command to move to the top left of the screen, hit another command to move down one line with review, probably numpad 9, then hit another key which I don't know, to move to the end of that line within screen review. This way, rather than having to hit numpad 6 to move word by word by word across that line, I could just quickly move to the end of that line, which would then naturally focus me on the rip button, then I could simply just route my mouse, click, and presto. Done!
 
So basically, the question is, how to move to the top left corner of the screen within screen review, and then, how to move to the end of the current line within review mode's focus.
 
Chris.




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Re: Help with screen review command, please.

Tyler Spivey
 

Shift numpad7 and shift numpad3 are what you want.

On 11/13/2017 5:45 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
So basically, the question is, how to move to the top left corner of the screen within screen review, and then, how to move to the end of the current line within review mode's focus.