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Re: firefox what was the fuss exactly?

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I disagree, but am not going to start a war. Each person has their ways of working and their reasons, we should respect this and not castigate those who do not share our views.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Kwork" <istherelife@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 2:46 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox what was the fuss exactly?


Well said, Gene, and something that could be applied to other areas of life that would become off topic here.
Do I use Firefox with the navigational sounds extension? Yes.
Would I miss it if it truly became out of date? Yes.
Would I hope it would come back? Yes.
If not, would I see if another one existed? Yes.
Would I cry about it and go boo hoo? No.
Would I quit using Firefox if I couldn't find a replacement, or a working alternative? No.
For me, the navigational sounds are a convenience, not a necessity. After all, I do use Chrome on occasion, and have not found a sounds extention, nor have I really searched that hard as my Chrome usage pales next to my Firefox usage, and I wouldn't die if I didn't find one.
Travis
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 7:04 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox what was the fuss exactly?


I want to make my position clear and discuss another aspect of the current situation in this rather long message.

If people want to use sounds, there is nothing wrong with that but you don't need them and my position is that being so dependent on them that you make that a major determining factor on what browser to use is being too dependent. That's my position. I didn't say they are worthless nor that people shouldn't use them. I'm talking about being too dependent on one aspect of a program when that aspect isn't central to the program and when there may be better programs in general that don't have this specific characteristic.
I'm saying that if someone considers sounds in browsers to be so important that that is a major factor in deciding what browser to use, I consider that to be too dependent. There are other efficient ways to tell things when using a browser. If a page hasn't loaded, you can't move around. Tabbing or down arrowing once or twice will tell you. I'm not saying, as you said, that they are pointless. I'm saying that almost anything sounds do, can be either efficiently inferred or checked by other methods and that changing from one browser to another based either only or largely on sounds, is making this one characteristic of a browser too important.

I don't want my position to be misunderstood. If people want to use sounds, then that's fine; I'm saying that dependence on them to an excessive degree is not desirable if it leads to decisions on what programs to use in a certain class when trying to decide between program a and b that do roughly the same thing. Browsers have various advantages and disadvantages and sound is only one aspect of a program.
Also, the changes being made in firefox, according to a review I've read, make it even faster than Chrome. It isn't much faster, at least now, and I don't think it matters but if people read the article about these changes posted last week from Marco's Accessibility blog, these changes may result in screen-readers being far more capable to work on complex pages that have embedded programs or where the pages are far more interactive than traditional web pages, and that increasing numbers of web pages are, and will be more complex over time. Therefore, I find the attitude of blaming Mozilla for what it says it intends to be only a temporary loss of performance for blind users, and writing as though they are going to permanently use a different browser without even seeing the results of the work being done is disturbing. At the moment, Chrome may be better than Firefoxs in its latest version because of the changes. But blind people may be better served by what Mozilla is doing after the initial inconvenience.

How often do sighted people complain about things like road construction and repair, but would they never use the road again because of the temporary inconvenience? They may use a different road during the repairs and the road may even be closed at times, but they return to it when it is in good order again.

Gene
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Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 3:11 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox what was the fuss exactly?


Well the beta I tried simply refused to say anything but unknown on any
page, though most of the menus still worked.

I'm not inclined to update since I use the sound, particularly the one when
a page has fully loaded and the one that tells me a link has in fact
activated and of course download complete


I have seen elsewhere where people think these sounds are pointless. I
dispute this as everyone is different and I really only use browsers where I
can actually hear that things are going on. for example I've always noticed
that screenreaders sometimes do not figure out the page has loaded, but
navigational sounds does and hence allows me to re focus the screenreader.
Also I would not know if a download had completed if the download pane was
hidden without a sound.
Some links click but clickables do not so sometimes you can figure out what
is which sort of link on a page this way. In a way it would be even better
if button link and clickable had different sounds to save one getting
confused.

I think the list of things some of us want in a browser is obviously going
to be different to what the sighted want, so one will really need somebody
at Mozilla etc to write blind specific add ons for a browser.
Its far easier when trying to teach somebody how to use a browser to be
able to say, if you do not hear x then its not worked.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 6:42 PM
Subject: [nvda] firefox what was the fuss exactly?


Hi.

Well While brousing firefox ftp today I decided to try firefox 57 as it
was on releases today.

What exactly was the fuss?

Firefox interface loads fast, no lag, but I havn't tried big sites maybe a
couple seconds for audiogames forum.

Addons, noscript, aparently this will not work till actual release of
firefox.

Navigational sounds.

I am trying to find a replacement, the author of this said that because
the new interface doesn't allow for registry access one can't get the list
of events to do things with.

I tried 3 of them so far.

Notification sound, noise and download sound.

Download sound has no options or rather any way I can configure it to
suit.

Noise has options but there are no default events set and I tried to add
what I wanted and define its sounds but I can't set values and going to
its website found that while there is a web version all features are
basically not there.

Notification sound is another, but its got no options screen.

Something like noise would be fine if it had an default event list which
just used the windows schemes directly to the files etc.

I only need web navigation start and end, and download complete as a
start.

If there was a way I could easily add events, or something that would be
good but I'd like a list for beginners I could import.

Over those though, I did notice and turn on the extra privacy protection,
I have left active the unwanted software protection but I heard from some
that this can cause problems.

I also read the article about accessibility services and how they can be
misused.

It does say if you have a compatible jaws or nvda active on your system
that you should leave this active.

This is interesting, dolphin stuff is not on this list it makes me wander,
while I do use dolphin stuff myself for things their web stuff is only for
ie and ie 6-8 mainly.

Still its an observation only.

I must say off the bat what I really like about firefox are the easy
option layouts, I just wish there was a way to extend them to well have
extras for addons rather than mucking about with the manager.

I do like the fact you can have arrow navigation on.

I did get noscript revived but when I hit a site with scripts on it never
actually notified me at all.

I guess I have to fiddle with it, I do hope thatnoscript does go out and
get released.

Today is the 14th in nz and tomorrow it will be 14th in us and so, I am
probably going to have to keep firefox 57 loaded though I am tempted to
drop back to 56.02 for now and get my sounds back.





Re: that dll message that I was geting with nvda

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Sound to me like they are both trying to use that dll, for all I know Jaws may well be putting a modified copy in. I'd hesitate that it might be doing it on purpose but it might well be tweaked to get around some windows issue.
Might be worth raising an issue on Gather for this in case nvaccess can duplicate it.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "The Wolf" <hank.smith966@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 3:44 PM
Subject: [nvda] that dll message that I was geting with nvda


Hello I can confirm at least on my machine that when ever I install jaws2018 I get that dll message that I was getting before when launching nvda

I restored my machine to before I installed jaws2018 so all is ok but thought that I would let the list know

I don't know what is going on but at this point I can't run jaws2018 with out it breaking nvda




that dll message that I was geting with nvda

 

Hello I can confirm at least on my machine that when ever I install jaws2018 I get that dll message that I was getting before when launching nvda

I restored my machine to before I installed jaws2018 so all is ok but thought that I would let the list know

I don't know what is going on but at this point I can't run jaws2018 with out it breaking nvda


Re: create portable copy

Vanessa Ochoa
 

hi Quentin I followed
 the sintax you shoed me but is not doing it I am sorry I should of made clear that it was one of the new thing in the snapshots wonder what am I doing wrong
Vanessa!


On Tuesday, November 14, 2017 5:52 AM, Kwork <istherelife@...> wrote:


Yes, and this is very important. Some programs, Calibre for instance, in their portable versions, and I think Firefox too, will create a folder on their own. NVDA does not. If you don't create a folder ahead of time for it where you want it to go, you could splatter the NVDA files all over the root of your hard drive, program files, or whatever folder you choose without creating an NVDA subdirectory. I learned that the hard way.
Travis
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 7:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] create portable copy

But if you type a path, create a folder first, just for the portable version.  In general, programs put themselves in a folder they create at the end of a path you specify, though you can't assume that.  NVDA doesn't, and the files are placed in the last folder of the path you specify.  So, if the path is c:\misc, that's m I s c,  and you stop there, the files and folders created will be all over the misc folder.  In this case, misc, m I s c,  is the name for my miscellaneous folder.  If you create a folder first in that folder, such as NVDA, and write the path as follows,
c:\misc\nvda
the folders and files will be placed in the NVDA folder.
 
Gene 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 7:53 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] creat portable copy

Hi Vanessa,

1. Press NVDA+n to open the NVDA menu
2. Press T for the tools menu
3. Choose the "Create portable copy" item.

Alternatively, if NVDA isn't running, you can run the setup file that you download from the website and press the "Create portable copy" button from the setup screen.

Either way, it will ask for a path, that's when you put in whatever path you want, such as G:\NVDA as you noted


Regards

Quentin.

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hi list something terrible happened to my desktop and somebody lend me her laptop for as long as i need it it was almost three weeks without a computer and so i had to get cut up with mor than thirty thousand emails i received a feature that i really
 wantedwitch was to create a portable copy using the run command i ried many different ways of doing it but i do not understand it can somebody using the path g:\nvda or any other path you want show me how exactly to enter it tin to the run command it says path must be specified but i do not get how love this feature but have not been able to use it to my advantage
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Re: Unveiling Braille Me - World's Most Affordable Smart Braille Display

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Absolutely it does. But it doesn't have cursor tracking. At least I don't see how it can, since there are only six dots. DotsSeven and eight blink to show the position of the cursor in standard 8 dot Braille configurations. I could be totally wrong about this of course. Perhaps the entire letter blinks to show the position of the cursor. I feel pretty confident, but I suppose it was not safe to speculate without having seen the device in operation.

On November 14, 2017 10:12:33 AM "Angelo Sonnesso" <asonnesso@gmail.com> wrote:

It does have cursor routing buttons.

73 N2DYN Angelo

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of erik burggraaf
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 8:17 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unveiling Braille Me - World's Most Affordable Smart Braille Display

I think you have to look at it like this. When a Perkins brailler costs $800, and a refreshable braille display costs $400, the Braille display becomes instantly attractive in learning environments.

Cursor tracking would be nice, but six dots is all you need to start teaching people how to use the code. We streamlined learning of Braille into technology. We substantially reduce paper waste. We slash both the upfront and long-term cost, and we make Braille relevant to Consumers who would otherwise wonder why they are taking the time to learn it.

For myself, I really need 8 dot Computer Braille, and cursor tracking in my classes. So, this device will not be great for me; however, I think it's great that one of these is actually going to hit the market. I hope when they start recovering some of their R&D costs, they will expand the size, add the cursor tracking feature is, and make it a little bit more relevant to Advanced Braille users.


On November 14, 2017 7:29:01 AM "Steve Nutt" <steve@comproom.co.uk> wrote:

Hi,

Yeah eight dots isn't there, which makes it a bit half-baked, but it will be nice to have a cheaper option.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: 14 November 2017 09:16
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unveiling Braille Me - World's Most Affordable Smart Braille Display

Is this going to be another one like the last el cheapo one that everyone is still waiting to get?

Wee only six dots, I thought 8 was needed for computer Braille to allow info like cursor position etc.
Brian

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From: "Cristóbal" <crismunoz54@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 5:14 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unveiling Braille Me - World's Most Affordable Smart Braille Display


It literally says $399.00 in the original email message.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Ann Byrne
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 5:28 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unveiling Braille Me - World's Most Affordable
Smart Braille Display

How affordable is it???
At 07:17 AM 11/13/2017, you wrote:
Hi Josh,
I had been contacted by Shyam from Innovision a couple months ago with
regards to how adding support for a new Braille display driver works
in the case of NVDA. I had redirected Shyam to Jamie or Reef by
providing their e-mail addresses at that point in time. I am unaware
of whether or not he actually followed up with an NV Access staff
member, but what I can safely say is that supporting NVDA was very
much on their minds while developing this affordable Braille display.
Thanks.

On 11/13/17, Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@gmail.com> wrote:
will this display work with NVDA also?




-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: Unveiling Braille Me - World's Most Affordable Smart
Braille
Display
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 03:10:09 -0800
From: Innovision <shyam@innovisiontech.co>
To: joshknnd1982@gmail.com



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Re: Unveiling Braille Me - World's Most Affordable Smart Braille Display

Angelo Sonnesso
 

It does have cursor routing buttons.

73 N2DYN Angelo

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of erik burggraaf
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 8:17 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unveiling Braille Me - World's Most Affordable Smart Braille Display

I think you have to look at it like this. When a Perkins brailler costs $800, and a refreshable braille display costs $400, the Braille display becomes instantly attractive in learning environments.

Cursor tracking would be nice, but six dots is all you need to start teaching people how to use the code. We streamlined learning of Braille into technology. We substantially reduce paper waste. We slash both the upfront and long-term cost, and we make Braille relevant to Consumers who would otherwise wonder why they are taking the time to learn it.

For myself, I really need 8 dot Computer Braille, and cursor tracking in my classes. So, this device will not be great for me; however, I think it's great that one of these is actually going to hit the market. I hope when they start recovering some of their R&D costs, they will expand the size, add the cursor tracking feature is, and make it a little bit more relevant to Advanced Braille users.


On November 14, 2017 7:29:01 AM "Steve Nutt" <steve@comproom.co.uk> wrote:

Hi,

Yeah eight dots isn't there, which makes it a bit half-baked, but it will be nice to have a cheaper option.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: 14 November 2017 09:16
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unveiling Braille Me - World's Most Affordable Smart Braille Display

Is this going to be another one like the last el cheapo one that everyone is still waiting to get?

Wee only six dots, I thought 8 was needed for computer Braille to allow info like cursor position etc.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Cristóbal" <crismunoz54@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 5:14 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unveiling Braille Me - World's Most Affordable Smart Braille Display


It literally says $399.00 in the original email message.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Ann Byrne
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 5:28 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unveiling Braille Me - World's Most Affordable
Smart Braille Display

How affordable is it???
At 07:17 AM 11/13/2017, you wrote:
Hi Josh,
I had been contacted by Shyam from Innovision a couple months ago with
regards to how adding support for a new Braille display driver works
in the case of NVDA. I had redirected Shyam to Jamie or Reef by
providing their e-mail addresses at that point in time. I am unaware
of whether or not he actually followed up with an NV Access staff
member, but what I can safely say is that supporting NVDA was very
much on their minds while developing this affordable Braille display.
Thanks.

On 11/13/17, Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@gmail.com> wrote:
will this display work with NVDA also?




-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: Unveiling Braille Me - World's Most Affordable Smart
Braille
Display
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 03:10:09 -0800
From: Innovision <shyam@innovisiontech.co>
To: joshknnd1982@gmail.com



Greetings from Innovision!
This email is in reply to the Pre-order interest survey that you or
a representative from your firm submitted (link -
https://tinyurl.com/BrailleMe-Survey
<https://innovisiontech-dot-yamm-track.appspot.com/Redirect?ukey=1faNF
NvnKA_
4Ij1SFgAV4lloCizIP-yQHxS_P4iDZetA-0&key=YAMMID-71407346&link=https%3A%
2F%2Ft
inyurl.com%2FBrailleMe-Survey>).


Thank you for showing your interest in Innovision
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t
p%3A%2F%2Fwww.innovisiontech.co%2F>)

and our product, BrailleMe - a Smart Braille Display for the
visually impaired community.

I am excited to inform you that we are launching Braille Me,
world's most affordable smart braille display at USD 399/- on the
4th of January celebrating the World Braille Day. Let me give you
an overview of Braille Me.

About Braille Me -

Ever Since Louis Braille invented the wonderful script of Braille,
it has been adopted all across the globe empowering millions of
individuals. Today, after 200 years we are on the verge of a
revolution in Braille. Braille Me, is built to bring digital
braille to everyone immaterial of their geographical, economic or
lingual
background.

It has a six-dot 20-cell braille display, a Perkins-style keypad,
cursor routing buttons and few navigation keys. It has
capabilities to work as a stand-alone editor and also connect to
smartphones and computers via Bluetooth and USB. It is a balanced
device with core features of a complex notetaker while having the
simplicity of a braille
display.

Braille Me has become possible due to two breakthroughs in
Affordability and multi-language. Braille Me is designed with our
patented Braille cell technology which makes the device
cost-effective by an order of magnitude compared to existing
products and supports more than 40 languages spanning all across
the
globe.

To know more about Braille Me please check our demonstration video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fz1cUZcf-1A
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Re: firefox what was the fuss exactly?

Kwork
 


Well said, Gene, and something that could be applied to other areas of life that would become off topic here.
Do I use Firefox with the navigational sounds extension? Yes.
Would I miss it if it truly became out of date? Yes.
Would I hope it would come back? Yes.
If not, would I see if another one existed? Yes.
Would I cry about it and go boo hoo? No.
Would I quit using Firefox if I couldn't find a replacement, or a working alternative? No.
For me, the navigational sounds are a convenience, not a necessity. After all, I do use Chrome on occasion, and have not found a sounds extention, nor have I really searched that hard as my Chrome usage pales next to my Firefox usage, and I wouldn't die if I didn't find one.
Travis

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 7:04 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox what was the fuss exactly?

I want to make my position clear and discuss another aspect of the current situation in this rather long message.
 
If people want to use sounds, there is nothing wrong with that but you don't need them and my position is that being so dependent on them that you make that a major determining factor on what browser to use is being too dependent.  That's my position.  I didn't say they are worthless nor that people shouldn't use them.  I'm talking about being too dependent on one aspect of a program when that aspect isn't central to the program and when there may be better programs in general that don't have this specific characteristic.
I'm saying that if someone considers sounds in browsers to be so important that that is a major factor in deciding what browser to use, I consider that to be too dependent.  There are other efficient ways to tell things when using a browser.  If a page hasn't loaded, you can't move around.  Tabbing or down arrowing once or twice will tell you.  I'm not saying, as you said, that they are pointless.  I'm saying that almost anything sounds do, can be either efficiently inferred or checked by other methods and that changing from one browser to another based either only or largely on sounds, is making this one characteristic of a browser too important. 
 
I don't want my position to be misunderstood.  If people want to use sounds, then that's fine;  I'm saying that dependence on them to an excessive degree is not desirable if it leads to decisions on what programs to use in a certain class when trying to decide between program a and b that do roughly the same thing.  Browsers have various advantages and disadvantages and sound is only one aspect of a program. 
Also, the changes being made in firefox, according to a review I've read, make it even faster than Chrome.  It isn't much faster, at least now, and I don't think it matters but if people read the article about these changes posted last week from Marco's Accessibility blog, these changes may result in screen-readers being far more capable to work on complex pages that have embedded programs or where the pages are far more interactive than traditional web pages, and that increasing numbers of web pages are, and will be more complex over time.  Therefore, I find the attitude of blaming Mozilla for what it says it intends to be only a temporary loss of performance for blind users, and writing as though they are going to permanently use a different browser without even seeing the results of the work being done is disturbing.  At the moment, Chrome may be better than Firefoxs in its latest version because of the changes.  But blind people may be better served by what Mozilla is doing after the initial inconvenience. 
 
How often do sighted people complain about things like road construction and repair, but would they never use the road again because of the temporary inconvenience?  They may use a different road during the repairs and the road may even be closed at times, but they return to it when it is in good order again.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 3:11 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox what was the fuss exactly?

Well the beta I tried simply refused to say anything but unknown on any
page, though most of the menus still worked.

I'm not inclined to update since I use the sound, particularly the one when
a page has fully loaded and the one that tells me a link has in fact
activated and of course download complete


I have seen elsewhere where people think these sounds are pointless. I
dispute this as everyone is different and I really only use browsers where I
can actually hear that things are going on. for example I've always noticed
that screenreaders sometimes do not figure out the page has loaded, but
navigational sounds does and hence allows me to re focus the screenreader.
 Also I would not know if a download had completed if the download pane was
hidden without a sound.
 Some links click but clickables do not so sometimes you can figure out what
is which sort of link on a page this way. In a way it would be even better
if button link and clickable had different sounds to save one getting
confused.

I think the list of things some of us want in a browser is obviously going
to be different to what the sighted want, so one will really need somebody
at Mozilla etc to write blind specific add ons for a browser.
 Its far easier when trying to teach somebody how to use a browser to be
able to say, if you do not hear x then its not worked.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 6:42 PM
Subject: [nvda] firefox what was the fuss exactly?


> Hi.
>
> Well While brousing firefox ftp today I decided to try firefox 57 as it
> was on releases today.
>
> What exactly was the fuss?
>
> Firefox interface loads fast, no lag, but I havn't tried big sites maybe a
> couple seconds for audiogames forum.
>
> Addons, noscript, aparently this will not work till actual release of
> firefox.
>
> Navigational sounds.
>
> I am trying to find a replacement, the author of this said that because
> the new interface doesn't allow for registry access one can't get the list
> of events to do things with.
>
> I tried 3 of them so far.
>
> Notification sound, noise and download sound.
>
> Download sound has no options or rather any way I can configure it to
> suit.
>
> Noise has options but there are no default events set and I tried to add
> what I wanted and define its sounds but I can't set values and going to
> its website found that while there is a web version all features are
> basically not there.
>
> Notification sound is another, but its got no options screen.
>
> Something like noise would be fine if it had an default event list which
> just used the windows schemes directly to the files etc.
>
> I only need web navigation start and end, and download complete as a
> start.
>
> If there was a way I could easily add events, or something that would be
> good but I'd like a list for beginners I could import.
>
> Over those though, I did notice and turn on the extra privacy protection,
> I have left active the unwanted software protection but I heard from some
> that this can cause problems.
>
> I also read the article about accessibility services and how they can be
> misused.
>
> It does say if you have a compatible jaws or nvda active on your system
> that you should leave this active.
>
> This is interesting, dolphin stuff is not on this list it makes me wander,
> while I do use dolphin stuff myself for things their web stuff is only for
> ie and ie 6-8 mainly.
>
> Still its an observation only.
>
> I must say off the bat what I really like about firefox are the easy
> option layouts, I just wish there was a way to extend them to well have
> extras for addons rather than mucking about with the manager.
>
> I do like the fact you can have arrow navigation on.
>
> I did get noscript revived but when I hit a site with scripts on it never
> actually notified me at all.
>
> I guess I have to fiddle with it, I do hope thatnoscript does go out and
> get released.
>
> Today is the 14th in nz and tomorrow it will be 14th in us and so, I am
> probably going to have to keep firefox 57 loaded though I am tempted to
> drop back to 56.02 for now and get my sounds back.
>
>
>
>
>




Re: Test email

Lawrence Stoler
 

I received your test e-mail.  I hope this reply helps.


Sincerely,


Lawrence Stoler



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Since then I have not been receiving any kind of emails from the list.

Please reply me if any one of you receives my email.

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Test email

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Dear NVDA users, This is a test email.

The matter of fact is that I have refreshed my system some ten days a go.

Since then I have not been receiving any kind of emails from the list.

Please reply me if any one of you receives my email.

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Re: firefox what was the fuss exactly?

Gene
 

I want to make my position clear and discuss another aspect of the current situation in this rather long message.
 
If people want to use sounds, there is nothing wrong with that but you don't need them and my position is that being so dependent on them that you make that a major determining factor on what browser to use is being too dependent.  That's my position.  I didn't say they are worthless nor that people shouldn't use them.  I'm talking about being too dependent on one aspect of a program when that aspect isn't central to the program and when there may be better programs in general that don't have this specific characteristic.
I'm saying that if someone considers sounds in browsers to be so important that that is a major factor in deciding what browser to use, I consider that to be too dependent.  There are other efficient ways to tell things when using a browser.  If a page hasn't loaded, you can't move around.  Tabbing or down arrowing once or twice will tell you.  I'm not saying, as you said, that they are pointless.  I'm saying that almost anything sounds do, can be either efficiently inferred or checked by other methods and that changing from one browser to another based either only or largely on sounds, is making this one characteristic of a browser too important. 
 
I don't want my position to be misunderstood.  If people want to use sounds, then that's fine;  I'm saying that dependence on them to an excessive degree is not desirable if it leads to decisions on what programs to use in a certain class when trying to decide between program a and b that do roughly the same thing.  Browsers have various advantages and disadvantages and sound is only one aspect of a program. 
Also, the changes being made in firefox, according to a review I've read, make it even faster than Chrome.  It isn't much faster, at least now, and I don't think it matters but if people read the article about these changes posted last week from Marco's Accessibility blog, these changes may result in screen-readers being far more capable to work on complex pages that have embedded programs or where the pages are far more interactive than traditional web pages, and that increasing numbers of web pages are, and will be more complex over time.  Therefore, I find the attitude of blaming Mozilla for what it says it intends to be only a temporary loss of performance for blind users, and writing as though they are going to permanently use a different browser without even seeing the results of the work being done is disturbing.  At the moment, Chrome may be better than Firefoxs in its latest version because of the changes.  But blind people may be better served by what Mozilla is doing after the initial inconvenience. 
 
How often do sighted people complain about things like road construction and repair, but would they never use the road again because of the temporary inconvenience?  They may use a different road during the repairs and the road may even be closed at times, but they return to it when it is in good order again.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 3:11 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox what was the fuss exactly?

Well the beta I tried simply refused to say anything but unknown on any
page, though most of the menus still worked.

I'm not inclined to update since I use the sound, particularly the one when
a page has fully loaded and the one that tells me a link has in fact
activated and of course download complete


I have seen elsewhere where people think these sounds are pointless. I
dispute this as everyone is different and I really only use browsers where I
can actually hear that things are going on. for example I've always noticed
that screenreaders sometimes do not figure out the page has loaded, but
navigational sounds does and hence allows me to re focus the screenreader.
 Also I would not know if a download had completed if the download pane was
hidden without a sound.
 Some links click but clickables do not so sometimes you can figure out what
is which sort of link on a page this way. In a way it would be even better
if button link and clickable had different sounds to save one getting
confused.

I think the list of things some of us want in a browser is obviously going
to be different to what the sighted want, so one will really need somebody
at Mozilla etc to write blind specific add ons for a browser.
 Its far easier when trying to teach somebody how to use a browser to be
able to say, if you do not hear x then its not worked.
 Brian

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Please address personal email to:-
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 6:42 PM
Subject: [nvda] firefox what was the fuss exactly?


> Hi.
>
> Well While brousing firefox ftp today I decided to try firefox 57 as it
> was on releases today.
>
> What exactly was the fuss?
>
> Firefox interface loads fast, no lag, but I havn't tried big sites maybe a
> couple seconds for audiogames forum.
>
> Addons, noscript, aparently this will not work till actual release of
> firefox.
>
> Navigational sounds.
>
> I am trying to find a replacement, the author of this said that because
> the new interface doesn't allow for registry access one can't get the list
> of events to do things with.
>
> I tried 3 of them so far.
>
> Notification sound, noise and download sound.
>
> Download sound has no options or rather any way I can configure it to
> suit.
>
> Noise has options but there are no default events set and I tried to add
> what I wanted and define its sounds but I can't set values and going to
> its website found that while there is a web version all features are
> basically not there.
>
> Notification sound is another, but its got no options screen.
>
> Something like noise would be fine if it had an default event list which
> just used the windows schemes directly to the files etc.
>
> I only need web navigation start and end, and download complete as a
> start.
>
> If there was a way I could easily add events, or something that would be
> good but I'd like a list for beginners I could import.
>
> Over those though, I did notice and turn on the extra privacy protection,
> I have left active the unwanted software protection but I heard from some
> that this can cause problems.
>
> I also read the article about accessibility services and how they can be
> misused.
>
> It does say if you have a compatible jaws or nvda active on your system
> that you should leave this active.
>
> This is interesting, dolphin stuff is not on this list it makes me wander,
> while I do use dolphin stuff myself for things their web stuff is only for
> ie and ie 6-8 mainly.
>
> Still its an observation only.
>
> I must say off the bat what I really like about firefox are the easy
> option layouts, I just wish there was a way to extend them to well have
> extras for addons rather than mucking about with the manager.
>
> I do like the fact you can have arrow navigation on.
>
> I did get noscript revived but when I hit a site with scripts on it never
> actually notified me at all.
>
> I guess I have to fiddle with it, I do hope thatnoscript does go out and
> get released.
>
> Today is the 14th in nz and tomorrow it will be 14th in us and so, I am
> probably going to have to keep firefox 57 loaded though I am tempted to
> drop back to 56.02 for now and get my sounds back.
>
>
>
>
>




Re: create portable copy

Kwork
 


Yes, and this is very important. Some programs, Calibre for instance, in their portable versions, and I think Firefox too, will create a folder on their own. NVDA does not. If you don't create a folder ahead of time for it where you want it to go, you could splatter the NVDA files all over the root of your hard drive, program files, or whatever folder you choose without creating an NVDA subdirectory. I learned that the hard way.
Travis

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 7:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] create portable copy

But if you type a path, create a folder first, just for the portable version.  In general, programs put themselves in a folder they create at the end of a path you specify, though you can't assume that.  NVDA doesn't, and the files are placed in the last folder of the path you specify.  So, if the path is c:\misc, that's m I s c,  and you stop there, the files and folders created will be all over the misc folder.  In this case, misc, m I s c,  is the name for my miscellaneous folder.  If you create a folder first in that folder, such as NVDA, and write the path as follows,
c:\misc\nvda
the folders and files will be placed in the NVDA folder.
 
Gene 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 7:53 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] creat portable copy

Hi Vanessa,

1. Press NVDA+n to open the NVDA menu
2. Press T for the tools menu
3. Choose the "Create portable copy" item.

Alternatively, if NVDA isn't running, you can run the setup file that you download from the website and press the "Create portable copy" button from the setup screen.

Either way, it will ask for a path, that's when you put in whatever path you want, such as G:\NVDA as you noted


Regards

Quentin.

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hi list something terrible happened to my desktop and somebody lend me her laptop for as long as i need it it was almost three weeks without a computer and so i had to get cut up with mor than thirty thousand emails i received a feature that i really
 wantedwitch was to create a portable copy using the run command i ried many different ways of doing it but i do not understand it can somebody using the path g:\nvda or any other path you want show me how exactly to enter it tin to the run command it says path must be specified but i do not get how love this feature but have not been able to use it to my advantage
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Re: Unveiling Braille Me - World's Most Affordable Smart Braille Display

erik burggraaf <erik@...>
 

I think you have to look at it like this. When a Perkins brailler costs $800, and a refreshable braille display costs $400, the Braille display becomes instantly attractive in learning environments.

Cursor tracking would be nice, but six dots is all you need to start teaching people how to use the code. We streamlined learning of Braille into technology. We substantially reduce paper waste. We slash both the upfront and long-term cost, and we make Braille relevant to Consumers who would otherwise wonder why they are taking the time to learn it.

For myself, I really need 8 dot Computer Braille, and cursor tracking in my classes. So, this device will not be great for me; however, I think it's great that one of these is actually going to hit the market. I hope when they start recovering some of their R&D costs, they will expand the size, add the cursor tracking feature is, and make it a little bit more relevant to Advanced Braille users.

On November 14, 2017 7:29:01 AM "Steve Nutt" <steve@comproom.co.uk> wrote:

Hi,

Yeah eight dots isn't there, which makes it a bit half-baked, but it will be
nice to have a cheaper option.

All the best

Steve

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Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: 14 November 2017 09:16
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unveiling Braille Me - World's Most Affordable Smart
Braille Display

Is this going to be another one like the last el cheapo one that everyone is
still waiting to get?

Wee only six dots, I thought 8 was needed for computer Braille to allow
info like cursor position etc.
Brian

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From: "Cristóbal" <crismunoz54@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 5:14 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unveiling Braille Me - World's Most Affordable Smart
Braille Display


It literally says $399.00 in the original email message.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Ann Byrne
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 5:28 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unveiling Braille Me - World's Most Affordable
Smart Braille Display

How affordable is it???
At 07:17 AM 11/13/2017, you wrote:
Hi Josh,
I had been contacted by Shyam from Innovision a couple months ago with
regards to how adding support for a new Braille display driver works
in the case of NVDA. I had redirected Shyam to Jamie or Reef by
providing their e-mail addresses at that point in time. I am unaware
of whether or not he actually followed up with an NV Access staff
member, but what I can safely say is that supporting NVDA was very
much on their minds while developing this affordable Braille display.
Thanks.

On 11/13/17, Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@gmail.com> wrote:
will this display work with NVDA also?




-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: Unveiling Braille Me - World's Most Affordable Smart
Braille
Display
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 03:10:09 -0800
From: Innovision <shyam@innovisiontech.co>
To: joshknnd1982@gmail.com



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Can I shorten pauses following punctuation?

Ann Byrne
 

NVDA's response is crisp and accurate when I move from line to line or application to application. However, when I read a document the pause before the next word is longer than I would like. Is there a place in the settings to shorten the pause?

Thanks,

Ann


Re: nvda and chrome reader mode

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

 

Your Email got through and I replied to it.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: 14 November 2017 10:37
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda and chrome reader mode

 

Dear Steve

I joined the Access chrome list to report the Accessibility issues with Chrome but I am not getting emails. The email confirming I have joined points me to a web page where I can see postings.  However none are coming through to me as an actual email in Windows Mail. There is also no posting email in the confirmation email.

Is there any way I can make this group like a normal email group? I personally hate   web forums.

David Griffith

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From: Steve Nutt
Sent: 14 November 2017 08:44
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda and chrome reader mode

 

Hi,

 

I’ve liked Chrome a lot better for a long while, and it’s faster too.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: 13 November 2017 23:38
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] nvda and chrome reader mode

 

hi

If you use chrome. then you want an addon or extension obtained from chrome webstore, called

murcury reader.

and you activate it by pressing alt grave accent, sometimes called single quote. to the left of number 1 on the top number row. this brings up a new window with a close murcury reader at the top and the article nicely formatted without links and ads and video clutter is down below. I am really starting to like chrome more than I like firefox right now. It's really fast and the free murcury reader addon lets me read articles without clutter. murcury reader also has a button that lets you send any web article directly to an amazon kindle if you have one. It's quite nice. now if we get NVDA working good in chrome with google docs sheets and slides that would be good.

 

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Re: Unveiling Braille Me - World's Most Affordable Smart Braille Display

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

Yeah eight dots isn't there, which makes it a bit half-baked, but it will be
nice to have a cheaper option.

All the best

Steve

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Unveiling Braille Me - World's Most Affordable Smart
Braille Display

Is this going to be another one like the last el cheapo one that everyone is
still waiting to get?

Wee only six dots, I thought 8 was needed for computer Braille to allow
info like cursor position etc.
Brian

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It literally says $399.00 in the original email message.

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Ann Byrne
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 5:28 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unveiling Braille Me - World's Most Affordable
Smart Braille Display

How affordable is it???
At 07:17 AM 11/13/2017, you wrote:
Hi Josh,
I had been contacted by Shyam from Innovision a couple months ago with
regards to how adding support for a new Braille display driver works
in the case of NVDA. I had redirected Shyam to Jamie or Reef by
providing their e-mail addresses at that point in time. I am unaware
of whether or not he actually followed up with an NV Access staff
member, but what I can safely say is that supporting NVDA was very
much on their minds while developing this affordable Braille display.
Thanks.

On 11/13/17, Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@gmail.com> wrote:
will this display work with NVDA also?




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Re: Help with screen review command, please.

Lisa P Geibel
 

Hi all,

How can you activate something when you land on it. This is an issue I'm having and can't figure it out. I unfortunately have to resort to the use of JAWS for this as I can route the JAWS cursor to the PC cursor, then hit the left mouse key twice to activate it. Is there a way to do this with NVDA?

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On 11/13/17 8:56 PM, Tyler Spivey wrote:
Shift numpad7 and shift numpad3 are what you want.
On 11/13/2017 5:45 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
So basically, the question is, how to move to the top left corner of the screen within screen review, and then, how to move to the end of the current line within review mode's focus.


Re: QRead and automatic language switching

Mallard
 

Hello,


I've also used Qread for years, but I don't think you can switch languages automatically, because the language tags that cause that to happen are probably removed when the text is parsed by Qread.


In actual fact, though, I've never really tried, so I can't be absolutely sure of this.


I'll test it and report back.

I have disabled the automatic language detection at the moment. I'll test and report back.

Ciao,
Ollie

Il 14/11/2017 00:11, Sally Kiebdaj ha scritto:
Hello all,


Have any of you using QRead also tried reading a document in multiple languages?


I am testing it out with a textbook that automatically switches between English and German when opened in Adobe. However, it defaults to English entirely when opened in QRead.


Is this something inherent to the program and how it presents documents or is there a setting I need to tweak?


Thank you,

Sally




Re: nvda and chrome reader mode

David Griffith
 

Dear Steve

I joined the Access chrome list to report the Accessibility issues with Chrome but I am not getting emails. The email confirming I have joined points me to a web page where I can see postings.  However none are coming through to me as an actual email in Windows Mail. There is also no posting email in the confirmation email.

Is there any way I can make this group like a normal email group? I personally hate   web forums.

David Griffith

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: Steve Nutt
Sent: 14 November 2017 08:44
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda and chrome reader mode

 

Hi,

 

I’ve liked Chrome a lot better for a long while, and it’s faster too.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: 13 November 2017 23:38
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] nvda and chrome reader mode

 

hi

If you use chrome. then you want an addon or extension obtained from chrome webstore, called

murcury reader.

and you activate it by pressing alt grave accent, sometimes called single quote. to the left of number 1 on the top number row. this brings up a new window with a close murcury reader at the top and the article nicely formatted without links and ads and video clutter is down below. I am really starting to like chrome more than I like firefox right now. It's really fast and the free murcury reader addon lets me read articles without clutter. murcury reader also has a button that lets you send any web article directly to an amazon kindle if you have one. It's quite nice. now if we get NVDA working good in chrome with google docs sheets and slides that would be good.

 

Josh

 

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Re: firefox what was the fuss exactly?

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

The one to untick on normal firefox is the one that stops software being downloaded that firefoxthinks is not usually downloaded which seemms to be most things most of the time.
Brian issue is that it

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Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 6:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox what was the fuss exactly?


hello.
protection against unwanted softwares, does not cause any problem, at
least for me!
God bless you.

On 11/13/17, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi.

Well While brousing firefox ftp today I decided to try firefox 57 as it
was on releases today.

What exactly was the fuss?

Firefox interface loads fast, no lag, but I havn't tried big sites maybe
a couple seconds for audiogames forum.

Addons, noscript, aparently this will not work till actual release of
firefox.

Navigational sounds.

I am trying to find a replacement, the author of this said that because
the new interface doesn't allow for registry access one can't get the
list of events to do things with.

I tried 3 of them so far.

Notification sound, noise and download sound.

Download sound has no options or rather any way I can configure it to suit.

Noise has options but there are no default events set and I tried to add
what I wanted and define its sounds but I can't set values and going to
its website found that while there is a web version all features are
basically not there.

Notification sound is another, but its got no options screen.

Something like noise would be fine if it had an default event list which
just used the windows schemes directly to the files etc.

I only need web navigation start and end, and download complete as a start.

If there was a way I could easily add events, or something that would be
good but I'd like a list for beginners I could import.

Over those though, I did notice and turn on the extra privacy
protection, I have left active the unwanted software protection but I
heard from some that this can cause problems.

I also read the article about accessibility services and how they can be
misused.

It does say if you have a compatible jaws or nvda active on your system
that you should leave this active.

This is interesting, dolphin stuff is not on this list it makes me
wander, while I do use dolphin stuff myself for things their web stuff
is only for ie and ie 6-8 mainly.

Still its an observation only.

I must say off the bat what I really like about firefox are the easy
option layouts, I just wish there was a way to extend them to well have
extras for addons rather than mucking about with the manager.

I do like the fact you can have arrow navigation on.

I did get noscript revived but when I hit a site with scripts on it
never actually notified me at all.

I guess I have to fiddle with it, I do hope thatnoscript does go out and
get released.

Today is the 14th in nz and tomorrow it will be 14th in us and so, I am
probably going to have to keep firefox 57 loaded though I am tempted to
drop back to 56.02 for now and get my sounds back.






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Re: nvda and chrome reader mode

David Moore
 

Yes!

I have been using Chrome for two years, and I have always had all good things to say about it.

It is so fast, that is what I could not believe when I starting using it.

Downloads go almost twice as fast, and I can open web sites much faster.

David Moore

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From: Steve Nutt
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 3:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda and chrome reader mode

 

Hi,

 

I’ve liked Chrome a lot better for a long while, and it’s faster too.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: 13 November 2017 23:38
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] nvda and chrome reader mode

 

hi

If you use chrome. then you want an addon or extension obtained from chrome webstore, called

murcury reader.

and you activate it by pressing alt grave accent, sometimes called single quote. to the left of number 1 on the top number row. this brings up a new window with a close murcury reader at the top and the article nicely formatted without links and ads and video clutter is down below. I am really starting to like chrome more than I like firefox right now. It's really fast and the free murcury reader addon lets me read articles without clutter. murcury reader also has a button that lets you send any web article directly to an amazon kindle if you have one. It's quite nice. now if we get NVDA working good in chrome with google docs sheets and slides that would be good.

 

Josh

 

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