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Re: do you know one accessible, simple to use and free audio recorder?

Roger Stewart
 

If you only want to record in mp3 format, then mp3 Direct Cut is a great choice. It is free and very easy to use. There's an nvda add on for it to help in editing files, but for just recording, you can get by without that if you choose.

Roger

On 11/11/2017 1:37 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Depends what you call simple. Many do record but as often when you do this you next need to edit the files, then I'd still use a program like audacity or if you can afford a little beit Goldwave.
There is virtual recorder but not tested it on XP as I think its aimed at those with sound cards that you cannot record streams from etc.

If you have a mobile phone, just press record is your thing.
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Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2017 6:46 PM
Subject: [nvda] do you know one accessible, simple to use and free audio recorder?


hello every one.
i need one program which can record mp3, be freeware or opensource,
safe, reliable, simple to use, supports all windows versions since xp,
accessible and if possible, without extra software offering.
except jetaudio that i realy cant use, please help me.
God bless you all!

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holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org





Re: NVDA speaking even when it’s not loaded when there’s a problem with shut down

 

I hope nvda doesn't began to die now that the main developer has left
does any one know if they found a replacement developer?

On 11/11/2017 12:55 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
I have this new machine and it has NVDA on it. But in Vda does not load at start up. We are having some problems with the machine, and my husband thought he had narrowed it down to stuff screwing up when you restart rather than shutting down the machine. Anyway, with NVDA not loaded when the machine is shutting down, occasionally will hang up and e speak will start talking. That is not the synthesizer I have selected. But it does talk. And it is happened on a few occasions. When he took it back to the store to let the tech look at it, it did that once, and now the tech is blaming the whole thing on NVDA. I’m sure that’s not correct, but I don’t know what to tell them.
Mary


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Github help

Marco Oros
 

Hi!

I have a question. I know, that some of you maybe used Github. So, how to create list, like for example at one line is bullet and on another, link. How to do that?

Please, could You help Me with It?

Thank You.

Marco Oros


NVDA speaking even when it’s not loaded when there’s a problem with shut down

Mary Otten <motten53@...>
 

I have this new machine and it has NVDA on it. But in Vda does not load at start up. We are having some problems with the machine, and my husband thought he had narrowed it down to stuff screwing up when you restart rather than shutting down the machine. Anyway, with NVDA not loaded when the machine is shutting down, occasionally will hang up and e speak will start talking. That is not the synthesizer I have selected. But it does talk. And it is happened on a few occasions. When he took it back to the store to let the tech look at it, it did that once, and now the tech is blaming the whole thing on NVDA. I’m sure that’s not correct, but I don’t know what to tell them.
Mary


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Re: a new browser to talk about

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I did look at Vivaldi today but its not able to install on xp machines, just to save anyone trying. it comes up with the entry point not found in the kernal error that we all know and hate.

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Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2017 11:36 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] a new browser to talk about


According to their blog their website waterfox will eventually have their own add-on store

As for Mozilla they have many very old extensions still hosted which are not compatible with the latest builds of Firefox

So make of that as you wish


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Sent: 11 November 2017 08:36
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] a new browser to talk about

Yes this was mentioned a while ago. I was hoping somebody had found out what
their intentions were on the new Quantum code. if they are not going down
that route, the next question has to be will mozilla still host old add ons
for Firefox if they want everyone to go down the new road.
If it is the same one has to wonder what the point of it is though.
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Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 8:34 PM
Subject: [nvda] a new browser to talk about


Hay I am using this browser called water fox. Just to let you all know
water fox is just like fire fox so you don’t have to learn any thing new.
You can use fire fox add ons so you don’t have to worry about finding new
add ons that will work with the water fox browser

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Re: Beware latest CD Burner XP

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Not its been updated twice this year.
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Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2017 11:59 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Beware latest CD Burner XP


Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
I wonder if unchecky would prevent the installation in this case. I don't know how many people know about unchecky but it should be on peoples' machines.
How long has it been since that program has been updated, though? I was under the impression that it has been several years.


Re: nvda windows explorer windows 10 issues.

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Also if you whiz with a screeenreader and hit enter on a folder full of sound files you often hear the name of one but the sound gets played from a different one as if the underlying windows selection is behind the on screen depiction.
Of course tweaking the processor idle speed up can make one heck of a difference but this problem never existed in XP.

Seems to me the more we progress the more we go backwards sometimes.
Brian

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Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2017 6:02 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda windows explorer windows 10 issues.


Hi,

To turn off the Preview Pane, just press Alt-P in any File Explorer window.
This is a toggle, so an Alt-P will turn it on again. If it says Not
Checked, it's off.

Yes, File Explorer is slow in anything that relies on UIA.

I don't know what FS have done, but it is significantly quicker.

All the best
Steve

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of erik
burggraaf
Sent: 11 November 2017 13:29
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] nvda windows explorer windows 10 issues.

Hi, I just want to report that I'm seeing the poor performance in windows
10 file explorer that others are mentioning.

Symptims include:
Extremely long load times for file browsing windows, over 10 seconds on
average.
Extremely long times to access files and folders, about 5 seconds to open a
folder on average. Longer to access a file using it's associated program.
Windows explorer frequently reports not responding when tabbing between
multiple file windows.
NVDA disappears when arrowing or tabbing and has to be brought back with
control alt N.

This is an intel cherry trail 2.0 ghz machine with 2 gb ram and 32 gb solid
state storage. I don't run much on it. It was primarily designated to be a
file and cloud server and works very well for the purpose.

I have enhanced performance by taking the following steps.
Switch back to espeak from the microsoft voices.
Switch to chrome for browsing.
Turn off unnecessary services. I don't use one drive on this machine for
example so it went.

Even so, file browsing still performs poorly. It also performs poorly with
narrater running. In fact, I think it's worse with narrater because of the
performance of the microsoft voice.

So yes, I'm seeing it, but no, I'm not convinced it's an NVDA issue as such.
Sorry, I don't have time to install jaws to see if it works better.

I read earlier on in the week that some one got better performance from file
browsers by disabling UIA for file browsing. They didn't mention how they
did that though. I poked around,m but nothing jumped right out at me.
I'm not in favour of disabling accessibility api's to get better
performance, but I am in favour of doing what works. If it works, then
maybe it's an option for those of us using low end systems.

I also looked for the option to turn off windows explorer's preview peign,
but I can't find it in the ribbon. It should be in the view tab but I
haven't found it yet.

Best,

Erik









Re: come to my rescue

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Often this behaviour can be changed in a control panel app or in the bios but often it needs sighted help to fix it as default.

I am going to ask this specific question of anyone trying to sell me a laptop as unless its obvious how to fix it you can get into a right mess.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark" <mark@tafn.org.uk>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2017 6:47 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] come to my rescue


Hi yes this is normal on lots of laptops now
For example if you press f6 and F7 on a acer laptop it will turn the volume up and down you have to press fn key to get F6 on its one
Mark.

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From: Marisane Moruthanyana
Sent: 11 November 2017 18:43
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] come to my rescue

Evening gentlemen

I recently bought an HP laptop running win10.

I'm, however confused by the behaviour of the function keys.

All the F1-12 keys are inverted. I mean the following:

All the F-keys have a symbol on it. Normally you would press Fn + your to use it. On this laptop, it's reversed. The symbol is what you get when you press the button normally and you have to press Fn + F-key to get the usual action and sometimes even after pressing the fn key, nothing does what one knows.

The function keys with this laptop either mute or unmute the system with function key F6, for instance, and other function keys just do what one would not want them to do.

So, if I want to refresh a webpage, instead of just F5, I have to do Fn + F5

I want to change this to regular behavior. Would you please help?

Thanking you in advance.

Marisane from SA


Re: do you know one accessible, simple to use and free audio recorder?

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Depends what you call simple. Many do record but as often when you do this you next need to edit the files, then I'd still use a program like audacity or if you can afford a little beit Goldwave.
There is virtual recorder but not tested it on XP as I think its aimed at those with sound cards that you cannot record streams from etc.

If you have a mobile phone, just press record is your thing.
Brian

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From: "zahra" <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2017 6:46 PM
Subject: [nvda] do you know one accessible, simple to use and free audio recorder?


hello every one.
i need one program which can record mp3, be freeware or opensource,
safe, reliable, simple to use, supports all windows versions since xp,
accessible and if possible, without extra software offering.
except jetaudio that i realy cant use, please help me.
God bless you all!

--
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in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org


Re: cdbxp

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As I have said there is a version without that on their web site under other download choices.
Its the same name with minimal on the end.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2017 7:25 PM
Subject: [nvda] cdbxp


Hi.

Just looked and manually got cdbxp it wanted to install some bit defence software, unchecky was on and that seemed to have got it.

To be honest though they hardly update it and to be honest I really don't use this much.




cdbxp

 

Hi.

Just looked and manually got cdbxp it wanted to install some bit defence software, unchecky was on and that seemed to have got it.

To be honest though they hardly update it and to be honest  I really don't use this much.


Re: come to my rescue

Dan Beaver
 

Hi,


I had the same issue when I first bought my laptop from HP.


If you search this issue on HPs sight there are instructions for reversing it back to the normal way of using function keys.  I do not remember where it is exactly but it was fairly easy to find doing a search.


If I recall it had to do with making a change in the bios but my memory could be wrong about that.


Dan Beaver


On 11/11/2017 1:43 PM, Marisane Moruthanyana wrote:

Evening gentlemen

 

I recently bought an HP laptop running win10.

 

I'm, however confused by the behaviour of the function keys.

 

All the F1-12 keys are inverted. I mean the following:

 

All the F-keys have a symbol on it. Normally you would press Fn + your to use it. On this laptop, it's reversed. The symbol is what you get when you press the button normally and you have to press Fn + F-key to get the usual action and sometimes even after pressing the fn key, nothing does what one knows.

 

The function keys with this laptop either mute or unmute the system with function key F6, for instance, and other function keys just do what one would not want them to do.

 

So, if I want to refresh a webpage, instead of just F5, I have to do Fn + F5

 

I want to change this to regular behavior. Would you please help?

 

Thanking you in advance.

 

Marisane from SA



Re: come to my rescue

Mark <mark@...>
 

Hi yes this is normal  on lots of laptops now

For example if you press f6 and F7 on a  acer laptop it will turn the  volume up and down you have to press fn key to get F6 on its one

Mark.

 

Tune in to the number one station on the web TAFN radio
http://listen.tafn.org.uk:8000/listen
Or to find out more and more ways of listening go to
www.tafn.org.uk/radio
part of the accessible friends network
www.tafn.org.uk
Registered UK Charity: #1108043.

 

From: Marisane Moruthanyana
Sent: 11 November 2017 18:43
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] come to my rescue

 

Evening gentlemen

 

I recently bought an HP laptop running win10.

 

I'm, however confused by the behaviour of the function keys.

 

All the F1-12 keys are inverted. I mean the following:

 

All the F-keys have a symbol on it. Normally you would press Fn + your to use it. On this laptop, it's reversed. The symbol is what you get when you press the button normally and you have to press Fn + F-key to get the usual action and sometimes even after pressing the fn key, nothing does what one knows.

 

The function keys with this laptop either mute or unmute the system with function key F6, for instance, and other function keys just do what one would not want them to do.

 

So, if I want to refresh a webpage, instead of just F5, I have to do Fn + F5

 

I want to change this to regular behavior. Would you please help?

 

Thanking you in advance.

 

Marisane from SA

 


do you know one accessible, simple to use and free audio recorder?

 

hello every one.
i need one program which can record mp3, be freeware or opensource,
safe, reliable, simple to use, supports all windows versions since xp,
accessible and if possible, without extra software offering.
except jetaudio that i realy cant use, please help me.
God bless you all!

--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org


come to my rescue

Marisane Moruthanyana
 

Evening gentlemen

 

I recently bought an HP laptop running win10.

 

I'm, however confused by the behaviour of the function keys.

 

All the F1-12 keys are inverted. I mean the following:

 

All the F-keys have a symbol on it. Normally you would press Fn + your to use it. On this laptop, it's reversed. The symbol is what you get when you press the button normally and you have to press Fn + F-key to get the usual action and sometimes even after pressing the fn key, nothing does what one knows.

 

The function keys with this laptop either mute or unmute the system with function key F6, for instance, and other function keys just do what one would not want them to do.

 

So, if I want to refresh a webpage, instead of just F5, I have to do Fn + F5

 

I want to change this to regular behavior. Would you please help?

 

Thanking you in advance.

 

Marisane from SA


Re: NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

erik burggraaf <erik@...>
 

Hi Mike, I live in Ontario. I am not a lawyer, or a legislature, however, I think I'm pretty familiar with the accessibility legislation we have here. There is nothing as far as I know in the accessibility legislation that says that accommodations need to be insured. I could be wrong. Feel free to correct me.

Dolphin maybe trying to move itself in, but right now, we are looking at an accessibility situation here that involves Freedom Scientific Jaws for Windows, and non-visual desktop access nvda. The people who own and develop Jaws are motivated by money. As soon as Jaws stops being a financially viable product, it will cease to be developed and produced. At that point, the government will not be able to purchase it, because it won't be available for sale. Government offices will probably be the final holdouts in the great switch, but at some point technology will force them to do the right thing, even if they manage to hold out against employee and user demands.
Although government is ridiculously slow to change, governments were the first early adopters of the mobile platforms in the late 90s and early 2000. Mobile technologies and their accessibility Solutions are the way of the future. Because of what first Apple, and then Google have done, governments are already issuing devices to their employees with disabilities where accessibility already comes standard. In fact, Windows is currently the only platform where accessibility does not come standard. At some point, accessible procurement may be a factor in governments finally switching either to a different desktop platform, or two entire mobile platforms. Of course, they will resist this change, but there are two inexorable factors. First, user demand. Accommodation legislation is usually worded in such a way that if a user asks for a specific accommodation, that has to be taken into consideration. Second, you can't buy something that isn't on the market. As demand for Windows decreases, so too will the demand for Jaws for Windows, and as I said, they will not continue to produce something they can't sell. Come talk to me in another 3 or 4 years.

On November 11, 2017 1:08:23 PM "Mike and Jenna" <schwaltze@gmail.com> wrote:

Lol You better have a long talk with the top guys at the government as they
do not follow your logic. They want software that comes from insured
companys and other things like that nvda could never afford to be insured
like that here in Canada or the use. There is many reasons that nvda will
not be part of the government unless somethings changes and money is raised
to get them insured over here. Also that still wouldn't work as they need to
be insured every year. There is nothing that holds nvda labial if something
goes wrong like there is with freedom.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of erik
burggraaf
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 11:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

Hi Steve, anyone can alter the code of an open source project, true. a what
I fail to understand is, how is this an inherent ecurity concern? The
altered code must be installed in order to do what you author it to do. You
can blow up the code five ways from Sunday, but if you are installing
official builds, no one will ever see your damaged code. In theory, I
suppose someone could hack the update server, place a damaged update into
the update queue, and roll it out to other computers. I have to say though,
I think that's a very very miniscule risk.

Administrators of public computer systems generally lock things down, so
that users cannot get access to the program files folder, the windows
folder, and other critical system functions. Users can not simply walk up
and install anything they want, regardless of whether it is open source or
not. If your systems are secure, and the Distribution Systems for the
software are secure, and the policies you operate under are secure, then
regardless of whether the software is open source or not, the entire
procedure should be secure.

If you are a foolish administrator, allowing users to install things
willy-nilly on public computers, then there is a very high risk of that
someone will go to virusladengames.com, and download a bunch of crap to the
computer. I would consider this a much greater risk, then securely
installing open source software to provide accessibility.

Unless I am greatly missing something, I submit that installing code from an
unknown source is a security risk, but the innate ability to modify code is
not.



On November 10, 2017 10:42:26 AM "Steve Nutt" <steve@comproom.co.uk> wrote:

Hi,

I would have thought the security aspect is obvious. Since it is open
source, anyone has access to the code, and anyone can alter it. So I can
understand workplace concerns.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bhavya
shah
Sent: 09 November 2017 06:02
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

Hi Sky,
Before we debate the security of NVDA, I think we need to get the case of
the library representative clarified. Firstly, what are the bases of this
assertion that NVDA is less secure? Secondly, assuming that the claimant has
the requisite technical knowhow, has he perused NVDA's source code to
substantiate this claim? Thirdly, are there any specific security
vulnerabilities or exploits present in NVDA that he can point us to?
Unless the library representative can provide cogent responses to the above
questions, or strengthen his claim by concrete evidence, I would dismiss
such a comment as a misinformed and groundless one which holds no water.
Thanks.

On 11/9/17, Sky Mundell <skyt@shaw.ca> wrote:
Hello All. Today, I was at our monthly technology meeting at a public
library here in Victoria, British Columbia, and NVDA was one of the
screen reading options discussed to a new participant who had low
vision. However, the tech at the library looked at it, and he told the
group that it was less secure, and they commented that it was better
for home use, rather than in corporate environments. Would NV Access
staffers like to comment on this issue, and what can be done to
address this issue? Because they were going to settle on the
Window-Eyes for office option back when it was being updated, but as
we all know it got discontinued and they did look at Window-Eyes as an
option and they were more in favour of it due to it not being Open
Source. They also did have JAWS for a time but got rid of it due to
lack of training and they would have had to spend money to get
somebody from FS to train them on it. Any suggestions you guys could
give me would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Sky.





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Re: NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

Tyler Wood
 

Hi,

For what you do, maybe it doesn’t crash.

Not everyone is the same person, does the same thing or use the exact same version of something.

If I had to use a mac for work, I’d pull my hair out. Busy, busy, busy, busy. Just because a screen reader meets accessibility standards doesn’t mean the screen reader is perfect. We’re a small market. It’s always been, and always will be, about the dollar. Not about us. We either find alternative ways to do things or sink the ship waiting for the big companies to do it for us.

 

From: erik burggraaf
Sent: November 11, 2017 10:07 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

 

Hi Steve, I have not experienced any issues using word tables in pages. My Mac died before I could get into Microsoft Office 2016. Anyhow, thank you very much for making my point for me again. In fact, voice-over renders tables flawlessly and has excellent features for doing so. It handles tables in almost any format.  It has configurable row and column header verbosity. It performs extremely well in tables using Safari, Chrome, and Firefox. Again, I can't speak for Microsoft Office, but it performs extremely well in tables using I work sweet. In other words, even if we dissected this one feature, and say that voice over crashes when reading a table, we go back to the Paradigm and recognize that numerous third-party applications and formats that render tables work very well with voice over without crashing. Ergo, if a table is crashing, it is the fault of the person who designed the table, or the format in which the table is rendered. That person or persons needs to go back, and fix their table. Or update their format so that it works with the accessibility api's on the Mac. This is not a voice-over issue.

Voice over and here's fairly rigorously to both International standards, and its own accessibility api's. It's actual screen reader features do primarily what they were designed to do, perform up to standard, and offer a professional level of access.

Here is a better example. Voice-over has a feature called Place markers or some such, which allows someone to configure hot spots on the screen, navigate to them, and read what is in those hot spots with a moving. This is an extremely useful screen reader feature. Many screen readers have a similar feature on Windows. Unfortunately, this feature was broken in an upgrade, and remained inoperable for an entire operating system version. In the course of the next operating system release, about 18 months, the issue that broke Place markers was eventually fixed. Of course, we do not think this is an acceptable turnaround time for fixing such a useful feature that had become relied upon by many screen reader users. Still, we have waited longer for Less productivity in other feature areas.

How long has Adobe waffled on accessibility support? Modern Adobe software for IOS and Android has been available for 5 years at least, and still is not accessible. They released some Bare Bones support last year. Hooray for a while, and where are they now? Gone again. Adobe still wants to do accessibility the way they did it 20 years ago, but nobody does that anymore.

I say again, and we'll keep saying, the tools, standards, laws, and api's, are all in place for developers to make their software accessible. In the new paradigm, it is the developer's responsibility to use the tool standards laws and everything else to make their programs accessible. It is not the responsibility of a screen reader manufacturer to make programs accessible. It is the responsibility of a screen reader manufacturer to develop tools that present information effectively using the api's and standard so that a person can read the screen. Nvda as a screen reader works extremely well as a screen reader, and has professional screen reader features and functions. If Microsoft's user-interface automation accessibility tool is broken, then it is Microsoft responsibility to fix that tool. Microsoft Outlook doesn't interface properly with user interface automation, then it is Microsoft's responsibility to fix that accessibility issue. If the same thing happens to file browsing on lower-end systems, it is Microsoft's responsibility to make sure that the primary system tools being used in windows are accessible and perform effectively when accessibility services are enabled. It is not the responsibility of a screen reader manufacturer to fix stability and performance issues in every software package released and accepted by the blind Community, particularly those that come directly built into the operating system.

As a recognized access technology specialist in your own right, I strongly suggest you go back to the drawing board, reevaluate the old and new paradigms, and completely reassess your expectations of what a screen reader is and does, and what the responsibilities of various developers are. In the new paradigm, we have very few tools such as scripts, addons, and other Specialty Products that help us both accessibility on two things where accessibility is lacking. We expect developers and manufacturers to accept responsibility for the accessibility of their products, just as they would for the security, stability, performance, and feature sets. We no longer look to a screen reader or a screen reader manufacturer to solve all the problems of the world. We hold people accountable for their own designs and their own products. The laws, standards, and tools, allow us to do this. We do not want a return to the days when everything had to be scripted, but we still have a long way to go to get to a point where accessibility is the norm. It will take determination, persistence, and a unified front, to build on the groundwork that has already been laid.

Best,

Erik

On November 11, 2017 10:22:02 AM "Steve Nutt" <steve@...> wrote:

Hi,

 

In other operating systems screen readers just work?  Where did you get that from.  Voiceover crashes just by opening a Word table, so don’t get me started on that one.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of erik burggraaf
Sent: 10 November 2017 19:00
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

 

Well and good, except that they never fix anything in days... ever.  The turnaround time is months, sometimes years.  Paying a lot of money is no guarantee what-so-ever of results.

In this case, both screen readers have the similar issue as I understand it.  FS was able to bolt something on to make it work.  NVDA hasn't taken steps yet.  But if the stability issue were corrected in the program itself, in this case outlook, then there would be no need for individual screen readers to bolt on solutions, and that's the issue I have with the whole mess.

In every other computer platform known to man, screen readers simply work and developers conform, or they don't.  In windows, we still think it's OK, even best case, to pay huge money, and double or tripple or quadroople up on work to get things done instead of making developers do the right thing.  We call this increased independence, but I call it quantity over quality.

Best,

Erik

On November 10, 2017 12:31:53 PM "Tyler Wood" <tcwood12@...> wrote:

You wrote:

At least with nvda, you have recourse to address issues if you want to. You can create and promote a support ticket, donate to support development, pay a developer of your choosing to examine your issue and make improvements, p or perform the work yourself if you have the skills and submit it to the community. Unfortunate as it may be to have something not work the way you want it right now, you would have none of this recourse available to you if the similar thing were happening in the paid commercial product.

 

That’s because the commercial product would fix it in double time and is why it would make itself worth that insane price.

In the workplace, if my screen reader crashed for mission critical things and, to be honest, simple things like outlook, with new versions of NVDA only being released every 90 days if even that, is that something I can live with? Whereas jaws may have it fixed in a number of days because they have the financial resources. something to think about.

 

Just my thoughts.

 

 

 

From: erik burggraaf
Sent: November 10, 2017 11:17 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

 

On the other hand, nvda was the first to support Microsoft Edge. Nvda has introduced substantial new features and support for modern programs before Jaws or other screen readers in the market. It's unfortunate that outlook support isn't where it needs to be yet, but I don't think that's indicative that the product is not ready for professional use.

This gets back to that terrible situation of people advocating for use of multiple screen readers.  It's an astonishingly terrible practice, but how can you blame people if they have the resources?  The fact that multiple screen readers are better at different things, is a sign of poor design, and fragmentation of the accessibility process.  In the new paradigm, developers should be forced to adhere to accessibility standards, so that screen readers who that conform to accessibility standards have everything they need to interface with programs and systems excessively. The fact that things are still so fragmented is bad for us in the long run.

At least with nvda, you have recourse to address issues if you want to. You can create and promote a support ticket, donate to support development, pay a developer of your choosing to examine your issue and make improvements, p or perform the work yourself if you have the skills and submit it to the community. Unfortunate as it may be to have something not work the way you want it right now, you would have none of this recourse available to you if the similar thing were happening in the paid commercial product.

On November 10, 2017 10:47:51 AM "Steve Nutt" <steve@...> wrote:

Hi Tyler,

 

You hit another nail there, usability.  Currently, NVDA crashes all over the place in outlook 2016, I can’t even use it.

 

If I had to rely on it for my daily bread, the fix is a long time coming.  Whereas, in JAWS 2018, they have fixed it already.

 

So to some extent, you do get what you pay for.  The fixing of MS Outlook is obviously not a high enough priority with NVDA to push out a quick update.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: 09 November 2017 08:42
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

 

Hi,

My workplace provided me with jaws.

Open source is nice, things get fixed, yes, but companies, especially government companies, want things that simply work and are well known and reliable. Also probably have an ongoing license with jaws, so why not use it?

Me personally, if I had a job requiring jaws, $125 every 2 years is hardly a drop in the bucket especially considering if the company pays for the license itself. Also for me, NVDA wasn’t usable in most of the cataloguing programs I worked in whereas jaws was. This was a few years back now, though, so things might change.

 

 

From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: November 9, 2017 2:28 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

 

Sadly this is the curse as much as it is a blessing with opensource.

 

Look at blind extra, there is probably nothing to stop people modifying

nvda with a virus and releasing it as something else and tricking users.

 

I know we have a good security review of addons, but  what are ways we

can protect nvda if any from this.

 

Governments and such probably have a contract with vfo and need jaws

jaws or nothing.

 

I couldn't load anything bar jaws at university.

 

They simply wouldn't accept anything bar jaws.

 

On the other hand, if your work wants you to use jaws they should foot

the bill for it, and all upgrades, and smas, and if you suddenly have an

system upgrade and need to buy the same functionality again, then let

them pay the 600000 or so bucks for the privilage.

 

Not the users issue.

 

If they want to use a company with bad support, you just say I am not

paying for it, you pay or I just won't bother.

 

Users can not afford a lot of the access tech because governments and

organisations are paying for licences.

 

Dolphin stuff is affordable to some extent the rest naaah.

 

 

 

 

On 9/11/2017 7:52 p.m., Mike and Jenna wrote:

> Hi,

> I have to chime in here. My wife works for the government and they will not allow NVDA either. They said they do not allow anything on their systems ware you can get the code for it online because it forms a security risk for their systems. I love NVDA but can see due to the response form her IT department a hard line against letting NVDA into many government uses.

> -----Original Message-----

> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee

> Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2017 1:15 AM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

> Hi Sky,

> I'm sure Quentin will weigh on this more, but when you meet this person next month, can you ask him the following questions:

> * Please define "security".

> * So it was claimed that closed source products are more secure. There are tons of examples where open-source software might offer equal or better security, not because of openness of code, but due to potential to fix issues early on through contributions. What's your opinion on that?

> * Until a few years ago, using NVDA in professional setting was only a dream, but we're getting to a point where more organizations are choosing to use NVDA, and there are international examples out there. Do you have any comments on that?

> * So Window-Eyes was chosen due to "perceived improved security due to close-source nature of the program". What is more secure in 2017: unsupported program that people cannot offer quality security fixes on a timely manner, or an open-source product that does have community backing, including looking out for security problems?

> In case this person asks who and why these questions are asked, please tell him that a reputable NVDA developer asks these questions, and this developer is asking tough questions to get this person to think critically. If he asks, "why should I care or think critically", please tell him that thinking critically allows one to make better choices in the end, including policy decisions (yes, that's my debator side coming out). In the end, it would be much better (strategically) if you frame these questions as though you are asking them, because it also allows you to think carefully about what you are dealing with.

> Cheers,

> Joseph

> -----Original Message-----

> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sky Mundell

> Sent: Wednesday, November 8, 2017 10:04 PM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

> Hello. Let me check with him next month, and I'll get back to you on this subject.

> -----Original Message-----

> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bhavya shah

> Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2017 10:02 PM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

> Hi Sky,

> Before we debate the security of NVDA, I think we need to get the case of the library representative clarified. Firstly, what are the bases of this assertion that NVDA is less secure? Secondly, assuming that the claimant has the requisite technical knowhow, has he perused NVDA's source code to substantiate this claim? Thirdly, are there any specific security vulnerabilities or exploits present in NVDA that he can point us to?

> Unless the library representative can provide cogent responses to the above questions, or strengthen his claim by concrete evidence, I would dismiss such a comment as a misinformed and groundless one which holds no water.

> Thanks.

> On 11/9/17, Sky Mundell <skyt@...> wrote:

>> Hello All. Today, I was at our monthly technology meeting at a public

>> library here in Victoria, British Columbia, and NVDA was one of the

>> screen reading options discussed to a new participant who had low

>> vision. However, the tech at the library looked at it, and he told the

>> group that it was less secure, and they commented that it was better

>> for home use, rather than in corporate environments. Would NV Access

>> staffers like to comment on this issue, and what can be done to

>> address this issue? Because they were going to settle on the

>> Window-Eyes for office option back when it was being updated, but as

>> we all know it got discontinued and they did look at Window-Eyes as an

>> option and they were more in favour of it due to it not being Open

>> Source. They also did have JAWS for a time but got rid of it due to

>> lack of training and they would have had to spend money to get

>> somebody from FS to train them on it.  Any suggestions you guys could give me would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Sky.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

> --

> Best Regards

> Bhavya Shah

> Blogger at Hiking Across Horizons: https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/

> Contacting Me

> E-mail Address: bhavya.shah125@... Follow me on Twitter @BhavyaShah125 or www.twitter.com/BhavyaShah125 Mobile Number: +91 7506221750

>

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

Mike and Jenna <schwaltze@...>
 

Hi,

 

I also find it super slow at work. I am a taxi dispatcher and use to different note pads and no matter what synth I use when I all tab between the two files nvda is two slow to keep up with what I am doing ware as jaws seems to not have this same issue. But I have also found the same slowness when testing with voiceover for the mac and orca with Linux.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 11:43 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

 

Is currently super, super sluggish in windows explorer in windows 10.

I’m truly baffled as to why I’m the only one seeing this or taking notice. Switching to JFW there is such a difference it’s hard to explain, especially on lower end computers with atom processors and even lower end core I series.

I’d have thought by this time a bug report would have been issued. I’m not about to do it if nobody else is noticing NVDA’s sluggishness – even though me and a few other people I know are – maybe it’s just us being impatient?

 

From: Steve Nutt
Sent: November 10, 2017 9:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

 

Hi Tyler,

 

You hit another nail there, usability.  Currently, NVDA crashes all over the place in outlook 2016, I can’t even use it.

 

If I had to rely on it for my daily bread, the fix is a long time coming.  Whereas, in JAWS 2018, they have fixed it already.

 

So to some extent, you do get what you pay for.  The fixing of MS Outlook is obviously not a high enough priority with NVDA to push out a quick update.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: 09 November 2017 08:42
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

 

Hi,

My workplace provided me with jaws.

Open source is nice, things get fixed, yes, but companies, especially government companies, want things that simply work and are well known and reliable. Also probably have an ongoing license with jaws, so why not use it?

Me personally, if I had a job requiring jaws, $125 every 2 years is hardly a drop in the bucket especially considering if the company pays for the license itself. Also for me, NVDA wasn’t usable in most of the cataloguing programs I worked in whereas jaws was. This was a few years back now, though, so things might change.

 

 

From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: November 9, 2017 2:28 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

 

Sadly this is the curse as much as it is a blessing with opensource.

 

Look at blind extra, there is probably nothing to stop people modifying

nvda with a virus and releasing it as something else and tricking users.

 

I know we have a good security review of addons, but  what are ways we

can protect nvda if any from this.

 

Governments and such probably have a contract with vfo and need jaws

jaws or nothing.

 

I couldn't load anything bar jaws at university.

 

They simply wouldn't accept anything bar jaws.

 

On the other hand, if your work wants you to use jaws they should foot

the bill for it, and all upgrades, and smas, and if you suddenly have an

system upgrade and need to buy the same functionality again, then let

them pay the 600000 or so bucks for the privilage.

 

Not the users issue.

 

If they want to use a company with bad support, you just say I am not

paying for it, you pay or I just won't bother.

 

Users can not afford a lot of the access tech because governments and

organisations are paying for licences.

 

Dolphin stuff is affordable to some extent the rest naaah.

 

 

 

 

On 9/11/2017 7:52 p.m., Mike and Jenna wrote:

> Hi,

> I have to chime in here. My wife works for the government and they will not allow NVDA either. They said they do not allow anything on their systems ware you can get the code for it online because it forms a security risk for their systems. I love NVDA but can see due to the response form her IT department a hard line against letting NVDA into many government uses.

> -----Original Message-----

> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee

> Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2017 1:15 AM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

> Hi Sky,

> I'm sure Quentin will weigh on this more, but when you meet this person next month, can you ask him the following questions:

> * Please define "security".

> * So it was claimed that closed source products are more secure. There are tons of examples where open-source software might offer equal or better security, not because of openness of code, but due to potential to fix issues early on through contributions. What's your opinion on that?

> * Until a few years ago, using NVDA in professional setting was only a dream, but we're getting to a point where more organizations are choosing to use NVDA, and there are international examples out there. Do you have any comments on that?

> * So Window-Eyes was chosen due to "perceived improved security due to close-source nature of the program". What is more secure in 2017: unsupported program that people cannot offer quality security fixes on a timely manner, or an open-source product that does have community backing, including looking out for security problems?

> In case this person asks who and why these questions are asked, please tell him that a reputable NVDA developer asks these questions, and this developer is asking tough questions to get this person to think critically. If he asks, "why should I care or think critically", please tell him that thinking critically allows one to make better choices in the end, including policy decisions (yes, that's my debator side coming out). In the end, it would be much better (strategically) if you frame these questions as though you are asking them, because it also allows you to think carefully about what you are dealing with.

> Cheers,

> Joseph

> -----Original Message-----

> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sky Mundell

> Sent: Wednesday, November 8, 2017 10:04 PM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

> Hello. Let me check with him next month, and I'll get back to you on this subject.

> -----Original Message-----

> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bhavya shah

> Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2017 10:02 PM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

> Hi Sky,

> Before we debate the security of NVDA, I think we need to get the case of the library representative clarified. Firstly, what are the bases of this assertion that NVDA is less secure? Secondly, assuming that the claimant has the requisite technical knowhow, has he perused NVDA's source code to substantiate this claim? Thirdly, are there any specific security vulnerabilities or exploits present in NVDA that he can point us to?

> Unless the library representative can provide cogent responses to the above questions, or strengthen his claim by concrete evidence, I would dismiss such a comment as a misinformed and groundless one which holds no water.

> Thanks.

> On 11/9/17, Sky Mundell <skyt@...> wrote:

>> Hello All. Today, I was at our monthly technology meeting at a public

>> library here in Victoria, British Columbia, and NVDA was one of the

>> screen reading options discussed to a new participant who had low

>> vision. However, the tech at the library looked at it, and he told the

>> group that it was less secure, and they commented that it was better

>> for home use, rather than in corporate environments. Would NV Access

>> staffers like to comment on this issue, and what can be done to

>> address this issue? Because they were going to settle on the

>> Window-Eyes for office option back when it was being updated, but as

>> we all know it got discontinued and they did look at Window-Eyes as an

>> option and they were more in favour of it due to it not being Open

>> Source. They also did have JAWS for a time but got rid of it due to

>> lack of training and they would have had to spend money to get

>> somebody from FS to train them on it.  Any suggestions you guys could give me would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Sky.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

> --

> Best Regards

> Bhavya Shah

> Blogger at Hiking Across Horizons: https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/

> Contacting Me

> E-mail Address: bhavya.shah125@... Follow me on Twitter @BhavyaShah125 or www.twitter.com/BhavyaShah125 Mobile Number: +91 7506221750

>

 

 

 

 

 


Re: NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

Mike and Jenna <schwaltze@...>
 

Lol You better have a long talk with the top guys at the government as they
do not follow your logic. They want software that comes from insured
companys and other things like that nvda could never afford to be insured
like that here in Canada or the use. There is many reasons that nvda will
not be part of the government unless somethings changes and money is raised
to get them insured over here. Also that still wouldn't work as they need to
be insured every year. There is nothing that holds nvda labial if something
goes wrong like there is with freedom.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of erik
burggraaf
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 11:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

Hi Steve, anyone can alter the code of an open source project, true. a what
I fail to understand is, how is this an inherent ecurity concern? The
altered code must be installed in order to do what you author it to do. You
can blow up the code five ways from Sunday, but if you are installing
official builds, no one will ever see your damaged code. In theory, I
suppose someone could hack the update server, place a damaged update into
the update queue, and roll it out to other computers. I have to say though,
I think that's a very very miniscule risk.

Administrators of public computer systems generally lock things down, so
that users cannot get access to the program files folder, the windows
folder, and other critical system functions. Users can not simply walk up
and install anything they want, regardless of whether it is open source or
not. If your systems are secure, and the Distribution Systems for the
software are secure, and the policies you operate under are secure, then
regardless of whether the software is open source or not, the entire
procedure should be secure.

If you are a foolish administrator, allowing users to install things
willy-nilly on public computers, then there is a very high risk of that
someone will go to virusladengames.com, and download a bunch of crap to the
computer. I would consider this a much greater risk, then securely
installing open source software to provide accessibility.

Unless I am greatly missing something, I submit that installing code from an
unknown source is a security risk, but the innate ability to modify code is
not.



On November 10, 2017 10:42:26 AM "Steve Nutt" <steve@comproom.co.uk> wrote:

Hi,

I would have thought the security aspect is obvious. Since it is open
source, anyone has access to the code, and anyone can alter it. So I can
understand workplace concerns.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bhavya
shah
Sent: 09 November 2017 06:02
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

Hi Sky,
Before we debate the security of NVDA, I think we need to get the case of
the library representative clarified. Firstly, what are the bases of this
assertion that NVDA is less secure? Secondly, assuming that the claimant has
the requisite technical knowhow, has he perused NVDA's source code to
substantiate this claim? Thirdly, are there any specific security
vulnerabilities or exploits present in NVDA that he can point us to?
Unless the library representative can provide cogent responses to the above
questions, or strengthen his claim by concrete evidence, I would dismiss
such a comment as a misinformed and groundless one which holds no water.
Thanks.

On 11/9/17, Sky Mundell <skyt@shaw.ca> wrote:
Hello All. Today, I was at our monthly technology meeting at a public
library here in Victoria, British Columbia, and NVDA was one of the
screen reading options discussed to a new participant who had low
vision. However, the tech at the library looked at it, and he told the
group that it was less secure, and they commented that it was better
for home use, rather than in corporate environments. Would NV Access
staffers like to comment on this issue, and what can be done to
address this issue? Because they were going to settle on the
Window-Eyes for office option back when it was being updated, but as
we all know it got discontinued and they did look at Window-Eyes as an
option and they were more in favour of it due to it not being Open
Source. They also did have JAWS for a time but got rid of it due to
lack of training and they would have had to spend money to get
somebody from FS to train them on it. Any suggestions you guys could
give me would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Sky.





--
Best Regards
Bhavya Shah

Blogger at Hiking Across Horizons: https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/

Contacting Me
E-mail Address: bhavya.shah125@gmail.com Follow me on Twitter
@BhavyaShah125 or www.twitter.com/BhavyaShah125 Mobile Number: +91
7506221750


Re: NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

Mike and Jenna <schwaltze@...>
 

That doesn't matter to them. It also cames from who is insured and who is a partner with the government or the place they are trying to install that.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 12:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

But....if the IT department of whatever organisation is installing the software ... they are getting it, compiled already and executable, from the official source. They can see the code if they want, but who's going to install a modified version on their network?



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: November 10, 2017 10:41 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

Hi,

I would have thought the security aspect is obvious. Since it is open source, anyone has access to the code, and anyone can alter it. So I can understand workplace concerns.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bhavya shah
Sent: 09 November 2017 06:02
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

Hi Sky,
Before we debate the security of NVDA, I think we need to get the case of the library representative clarified. Firstly, what are the bases of this assertion that NVDA is less secure? Secondly, assuming that the claimant has the requisite technical knowhow, has he perused NVDA's source code to substantiate this claim? Thirdly, are there any specific security vulnerabilities or exploits present in NVDA that he can point us to?
Unless the library representative can provide cogent responses to the above questions, or strengthen his claim by concrete evidence, I would dismiss such a comment as a misinformed and groundless one which holds no water.
Thanks.

On 11/9/17, Sky Mundell <skyt@shaw.ca> wrote:
Hello All. Today, I was at our monthly technology meeting at a public
library here in Victoria, British Columbia, and NVDA was one of the
screen reading options discussed to a new participant who had low
vision. However, the tech at the library looked at it, and he told the
group that it was less secure, and they commented that it was better
for home use, rather than in corporate environments. Would NV Access
staffers like to comment on this issue, and what can be done to
address this issue? Because they were going to settle on the
Window-Eyes for office option back when it was being updated, but as
we all know it got discontinued and they did look at Window-Eyes as an
option and they were more in favour of it due to it not being Open
Source. They also did have JAWS for a time but got rid of it due to
lack of training and they would have had to spend money to get
somebody from FS to train them on it. Any suggestions you guys could give me would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Sky.





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