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Changing the Email Address for Your Groups.io Account
#adminnotice
Hello All,
Every once in a while I post tutorials on how to use features of Groups.io that can make your life much easier. In this case, it's when you want to change the e-mail address associated with your Groups.io account. If you're subscribed to only one or two Groups.io groups, then the old unsubscribe-resubscribe method using the new address is fine, but if you're subscribed to many groups this gets old, fast. It also means that you will end up being put back on first message moderated status for all those groups where you unsubscribed and resubscribed, because Groups.io has no idea that this is a change for an existing user, and treats you as a brand new user of Groups.io. If you want to change the e-mail address associated with your Groups.io Account, and by extension that means for all the groups you've subscribed to using that address, then try these instructions after you download and review them: Changing the Email Address for Your Groups.io Account (docx) -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042 If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind. ~ Thomas Reed Powell
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Re: NVDA Verbosity for Grouping and sorting messages in Outlook - Can it be changed?
Ralf Kefferpuetz
To reduce the announcements in the message list go to the document settings with NVDA-Control-D, press alt-t twice to find the table section and disable announcements of tables, table headings and cell coordinates.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony Malykh
Sent: Donnerstag, 3. Dezember 2020 18:47 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Grouping and sorting messages in Outlook
I can't help you with Outlook, but I just wanted to mention that this is one of the annoyances that prompted me to look for an alternative email client - and that's how I found Thunderbird. In terms of verbosity it is much better. So if you are not bound to outlook, fwiw you can consider Thunderbird as well. --Tony On 11/4/2020 10:14 AM, Josh Miele wrote:
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Re: NVDACon 2020 - rules for the conference
Carlos Esteban Martínez Macías
Hello. In various days after of the conference, the recordings are abailable in the site nvdacon.org. Regards.
Carlos Esteban Martínez Macías. Soporte a usuarios, comunidad hispanohablante de NVDA. Web www.nvda.es
De: Margus Ojaots
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Re: NVDACon 2020 - rules for the conference
Hi,
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The conference will be recorded and the recordings will be made available once they are done. Cheers, Joseph
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Margus Ojaots Sent: Friday, December 4, 2020 9:16 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDACon 2020 - rules for the conference hi. is there any way to listen the conference after it is over, are there any recordings? 2020-12-04 19:03 GMT +02:00, Adriani Botez <adriani.botez@gmail.com>: Dear all,
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Re: NVDACon 2020 - rules for the conference
Margus Ojaots
hi. is there any way to listen the conference after it is over, are
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there any recordings? 2020-12-04 19:03 GMT +02:00, Adriani Botez <adriani.botez@gmail.com>:
Dear all,
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NVDACon 2020 - rules for the conference
Adriani Botez
Dear all,
only about 4 hours remaining until NVDACon 2020 begins! Let’s make it to a historic event, one that produces impact for all of us in a positive way! To make sure that we all are treated equally, please make sure that you respect some very important rules as follows: 1. In your team talk, please enable push to talk in the general settings so that your background sound does not disturb others when speaking 2. Please enable echo reduction in the sound system settings of the team talk app or software 3. Please give you a name when entering the conference. Users with no name will be kicked out after 5 minutes. We have to make sure that we can differ between users so that every one has the occasion to speak and raise its questions 4. Please respect all the moral rules. We will not accept statements / content that imply violent, sexual, demeaning or in any other way discrinimatory behavior
The code of conduct for the NVDA project applies in the same way for the NVDACon. Please read the code of conduct below and treat any participant with respect and kindness. https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/blob/master/CODE_OF_CONDUCT.md
Let’s bridge the distance!
Best regards Adriani
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Re: Seeking recommendations for app to practice object nav
Gene
I'll add that I don't have Windows 10 so I used an example that I am familiar with but the principles are the same everywhere.
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Gene
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From: Gene via groups.io Sent: Friday, December 04, 2020 10:14 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Seeking recommendations for app to practice object nav For clarity and a more complete discussion, I'll add that you also can't move to the right to another object while in the Notepad document window. You can, however, move to the left to another object and then farther to the left to other objects. You can move from the document window to the next object to the left which is the application menu, then move down into it and move to the right by object to see all the menu objects. Each menu is a different object. You can have the student open a doccument in Notepad and demonstrate how the entire document is one object and you can use NVDA object review keys to move through the document by line, by word, and by carachter. Showing in this way the vastly different sizes of objects and how to move through an object as well as to different objects is the kind of concrete experience I have in mind that will allow the student to develop a conception of how to work with objects and on a concrete level, what they are. I'm not particularly concerned with what programs are used, as long as they are good for teaching and demonstration. I used Notepad because that is a good program, and a very commonly used program so everyone will have it and can practice with it. Gene -----Original Message----- From: Gene via groups.io Sent: Friday, December 04, 2020 10:03 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Seeking recommendations for app to practice object nav I don't know how the training material available for purchase teaches object navigation. I strongly believe that for most people, while a little explanation is helpful, beyond talking about something being inside of something else, and giving examples of an object, that it may be as large as an entire document or as small as a button or check box or other control, beyond that the best way to teach it is with very concrete examples and concrete steps. For example, open notepad, and then give precise directions for movement so the student can see how he is moving. For example, you are now in the document wwindow. If you move to the object to the left, you will be at whatever. If you move to the object to the right, you will be at whatever, If you move up to the higher object, you will be wherever. If you try to move down into another object while in the document window, you can't, because there isn't one. You move to an object, then down into it if you want to work with it. You can use analogies, finding a shoe, then putting it on, for example. Each object can be moved through if the object contains more than one thing, and each object can be moved in and out of either up, down, to the left, and to the right. In order to move out of an object, there must be another object to move into and it can be very easily demonstrated that NVDA will tell you if there is no object in the direction you are moving. I learned object navigation mostly by moving around as I described and seeing where I was. I looked at just a little explanation and found anything more than that to be meaningless and confusing, actually, it might have been discouraging if I hadn't had enough experience to know that I could learn as I described and thus applied that method. Somepeople can learn that way mostly on their own, a lot of people can't but I believe that, if directed, they could learn well that way in this context. This is something where the actual experience is important and where abstract description serves few people well other than as a general framework such as I described above. As far as particular programs and apps are concerned, I haven't used enough to give a lot of exazmples, but any simple program like Notepad furnishes an excellent introduction if taught well. Gene -----Original Message----- From: Deborah Armstrong Sent: Friday, December 04, 2020 9:37 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] Seeking recommendations for app to practice object nav I had so much fun preparing two "thunderclaps" for Nvda-Con, I decided I want to do a tutorial on object nav that approaches it differently than previous efforts. Hopefully it can be something for next year's con. Anyway, I mostly use object nav with in-house software for my job, so I need to find something free that makes good practice material. Something that really lets you exercise all the ins and outs of navigating objects. Does anyone have a recommendation for software or a Windows 10 app that is completely accessible if you use object nav and mouse clicking to work with its features? --Debee
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Re: Seeking recommendations for app to practice object nav
Gene
For clarity and a more complete discussion, I'll add that you also can't move to the right to another object while in the Notepad document window. You can, however, move to the left to another object and then farther to the left to other objects. You can move from the document window to the next object to the left which is the application menu, then move down into it and move to the right by object to see all the menu objects. Each menu is a different object.
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You can have the student open a doccument in Notepad and demonstrate how the entire document is one object and you can use NVDA object review keys to move through the document by line, by word, and by carachter. Showing in this way the vastly different sizes of objects and how to move through an object as well as to different objects is the kind of concrete experience I have in mind that will allow the student to develop a conception of how to work with objects and on a concrete level, what they are. I'm not particularly concerned with what programs are used, as long as they are good for teaching and demonstration. I used Notepad because that is a good program, and a very commonly used program so everyone will have it and can practice with it. Gene
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From: Gene via groups.io Sent: Friday, December 04, 2020 10:03 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Seeking recommendations for app to practice object nav I don't know how the training material available for purchase teaches object navigation. I strongly believe that for most people, while a little explanation is helpful, beyond talking about something being inside of something else, and giving examples of an object, that it may be as large as an entire document or as small as a button or check box or other control, beyond that the best way to teach it is with very concrete examples and concrete steps. For example, open notepad, and then give precise directions for movement so the student can see how he is moving. For example, you are now in the document wwindow. If you move to the object to the left, you will be at whatever. If you move to the object to the right, you will be at whatever, If you move up to the higher object, you will be wherever. If you try to move down into another object while in the document window, you can't, because there isn't one. You move to an object, then down into it if you want to work with it. You can use analogies, finding a shoe, then putting it on, for example. Each object can be moved through if the object contains more than one thing, and each object can be moved in and out of either up, down, to the left, and to the right. In order to move out of an object, there must be another object to move into and it can be very easily demonstrated that NVDA will tell you if there is no object in the direction you are moving. I learned object navigation mostly by moving around as I described and seeing where I was. I looked at just a little explanation and found anything more than that to be meaningless and confusing, actually, it might have been discouraging if I hadn't had enough experience to know that I could learn as I described and thus applied that method. Somepeople can learn that way mostly on their own, a lot of people can't but I believe that, if directed, they could learn well that way in this context. This is something where the actual experience is important and where abstract description serves few people well other than as a general framework such as I described above. As far as particular programs and apps are concerned, I haven't used enough to give a lot of exazmples, but any simple program like Notepad furnishes an excellent introduction if taught well. Gene -----Original Message----- From: Deborah Armstrong Sent: Friday, December 04, 2020 9:37 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] Seeking recommendations for app to practice object nav I had so much fun preparing two "thunderclaps" for Nvda-Con, I decided I want to do a tutorial on object nav that approaches it differently than previous efforts. Hopefully it can be something for next year's con. Anyway, I mostly use object nav with in-house software for my job, so I need to find something free that makes good practice material. Something that really lets you exercise all the ins and outs of navigating objects. Does anyone have a recommendation for software or a Windows 10 app that is completely accessible if you use object nav and mouse clicking to work with its features? --Debee
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Re: Seeking recommendations for app to practice object nav
Carlos Esteban Martínez Macías
Hi all. Other example is the app calculator, in the history. Regards.
Carlos Esteban Martínez Macías. Soporte a usuarios, comunidad hispanohablante de NVDA. Web www.nvda.es
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Re: Seeking recommendations for app to practice object nav
Gene
I don't know how the training material available for purchase teaches object navigation. I strongly believe that for most people, while a little explanation is helpful, beyond talking about something being inside of something else, and giving examples of an object, that it may be as large as an entire document or as small as a button or check box or other control, beyond that the best way to teach it is with very concrete examples and concrete steps.
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For example, open notepad, and then give precise directions for movement so the student can see how he is moving. For example, you are now in the document wwindow. If you move to the object to the left, you will be at whatever. If you move to the object to the right, you will be at whatever, If you move up to the higher object, you will be wherever. If you try to move down into another object while in the document window, you can't, because there isn't one. You move to an object, then down into it if you want to work with it. You can use analogies, finding a shoe, then putting it on, for example. Each object can be moved through if the object contains more than one thing, and each object can be moved in and out of either up, down, to the left, and to the right. In order to move out of an object, there must be another object to move into and it can be very easily demonstrated that NVDA will tell you if there is no object in the direction you are moving. I learned object navigation mostly by moving around as I described and seeing where I was. I looked at just a little explanation and found anything more than that to be meaningless and confusing, actually, it might have been discouraging if I hadn't had enough experience to know that I could learn as I described and thus applied that method. Somepeople can learn that way mostly on their own, a lot of people can't but I believe that, if directed, they could learn well that way in this context. This is something where the actual experience is important and where abstract description serves few people well other than as a general framework such as I described above. As far as particular programs and apps are concerned, I haven't used enough to give a lot of exazmples, but any simple program like Notepad furnishes an excellent introduction if taught well. Gene
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From: Deborah Armstrong Sent: Friday, December 04, 2020 9:37 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] Seeking recommendations for app to practice object nav I had so much fun preparing two "thunderclaps" for Nvda-Con, I decided I want to do a tutorial on object nav that approaches it differently than previous efforts. Hopefully it can be something for next year's con. Anyway, I mostly use object nav with in-house software for my job, so I need to find something free that makes good practice material. Something that really lets you exercise all the ins and outs of navigating objects. Does anyone have a recommendation for software or a Windows 10 app that is completely accessible if you use object nav and mouse clicking to work with its features? --Debee
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Re: Seeking recommendations for app to practice object nav
molly the blind tech lover
Hi. You could try the windows 10 settings app . . . Particularly in the update and security. , or the wifi setting. Hope this helps.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Deborah Armstrong
Sent: Friday, December 4, 2020 10:38 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] Seeking recommendations for app to practice object nav
I had so much fun preparing two "thunderclaps" for Nvda-Con, I decided I want to do a tutorial on object nav that approaches it differently than previous efforts. Hopefully it can be something for next year's con.
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Seeking recommendations for app to practice object nav
Deborah Armstrong <debee@...>
I had so much fun preparing two "thunderclaps" for Nvda-Con, I decided I want to do a tutorial on object nav that approaches it differently than previous efforts. Hopefully it can be something for next year's con.
Anyway, I mostly use object nav with in-house software for my job, so I need to find something free that makes good practice material. Something that really lets you exercise all the ins and outs of navigating objects. Does anyone have a recommendation for software or a Windows 10 app that is completely accessible if you use object nav and mouse clicking to work with its features? --Debee
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shortcut to list data filled cells in EXCEL
Aschalew Byness
Hi friends
I badly need a nvda keystrokes to see data filled cells in EXCEL. in other words, I need an NVDA version of control+shift+d in jaws.
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Re: Welcoming you to my talk at NVDACon
Deborah Armstrong <debee@...>
I made a small mistake in my description of my presentation. I said I would talk about "Quick Dictionary". That add-on is still only on github, not released to the entire community. Therefore I will talk about Instant translate. People interested in Quick Dictionary can search groups.io to find more information and its link.
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Re: nvda and amazon music
no, i don't use the desktop app, i use the website with google chrome. i can search for songs, play them, and add them to my music. But as I said, as soon as I want to access my music in the library, I need visual help. i received an invitation to amazon music family, i was pleased about the attention and thought i would try nvda. nice to know that i'm not the only one having trouble with it.
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Re: nvda and amazon music
Lino Morales
Oh I hate that app. I'm assuming your using the desktop app? That
app needs work as far as accessibility is concerned. A lot of
unlabeled buttons.
On 12/3/2020 10:59 PM, heike67 wrote:
does anyone have experience with amazon music? i can't edit my playlist there. nvda tells me that it is an embedded object and i press the enter key as i read in the user manual. now i should be able to navigate in this object, but nvda just says <grid>, whatever that means. it would be nice if someone could help.
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nvda and amazon music
does anyone have experience with amazon music? i can't edit my playlist there. nvda tells me that it is an embedded object and i press the enter key as i read in the user manual. now i should be able to navigate in this object, but nvda just says <grid>, whatever that means. it would be nice if someone could help.
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Re: NVDACon 2020: program schedule is now live
hi
The following error occurs when using TeamTalk5Classic to connect to nvdacon.org: TeamTalk5Classic ok button
An error occurred while perform a requested command:
Not logged in
TeamTalk5Classic
ok button
An error occurred while perform a requested command:
Invalid account
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Re: Inserting Latency in NVDA Speech and Bluetooth Audio
Tony Malykh
So regarding running the list, do you expect us to ask every time regarding the grey area topics? because the rules for this list state explicitly: > 6. Any topic that is not about using NVDA to accomplish a task, or how to control NVDA, belongs in the chat subgroup, not the main group. All questions about how to use the specific features of a program that you’re using NVDA to access, but not about NVDA itself, belong in the chat subgroup. So in my mind the topic of bluetooth headphones falls into that
group. Or we can just try to talk about that and you can ban the
thread if you don't like it?
On 12/3/2020 11:09 AM, Nimer Jaber
wrote:
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Re: HIMS Syncbraille Display and NVDA on Desktop PC
Dark Count
Well, not quite.
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I was unable to use it before narrator. That is why I gave it a try. D C
On 12/2/2020 12:42 AM, Pele West wrote:
Hi
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