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NVDACon20 - keynote with NV Access will be replayed in approximately 1.5 hours

Adriani Botez
 

Dear all,

 

if you could not join at the live keynote this year, you have one more chance to raise your questions and feedback. We will replay the keynote in 1.5 hours and will make sure that your questions will be directed to NV Access! Join us on Teamtalk and use the last opportunity to meet developers, users and other accessibility enthusiasts live on NVDACon 2020!

 

Best regards

Adriani

 


NVDACon20 - next session starts in 15 minutes

Adriani Botez
 

Dear all,

 

are you interested to know more about making music with Reaper, using Midi and Native Instruments? Then this session might be interesting for you. Join us online on the Teamtalk server or listen live via this stream link:

http://firestormhosting.net:8000/nvdacon.m3u

 

Best regards

Adriani

 


Re: problem with links in email when using Thunderbird

Gene
 

As it turns out, I can't check this myself. For an unknown reason, I don't see the reply to sender or however it is worded link in my Groups.io messages. However, the problem may be caused by browse mode and the actual location in the message not aligning, as happens on some web pages.

To experiment try the following:
In an opened message, turn Browse modeoff and tab to the link. for convenience, find a very short thread or one in which there is only one message. With browse mode still off, press enter on the link and see what happens. If the problem is that browse mode doesn't align with the actual underlying link, that would be an NVDA issue and would be treated very differently than if it is a Groups.io issue.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2020 9:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with links in email when using Thunderbird

I may be on the verge of figuring out what is causing the problem. I'll
report after a little more investigation.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2020 9:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with links in email when using Thunderbird

I'm sorry if I forgot or didn't notice a detail in the over two hundred
messages I get a day. A little courtesey and consideration would work
wonders.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2020 8:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with links in email when using Thunderbird

On Sat, Dec 5, 2020 at 08:55 PM, Gene wrote:
I wonder what happens when a sighted person clicks them with a mouse? At
this point, we don't have information to conclude whether this is an
accessibility problem or a general problem in Thunderbird.-
They work. And yes, we do. Do you not even bother reading the details I
give for this very purpose?

From an earlier message: "I do not have any issue with the Reply to Sender
link in Outlook 2016, eM Client, or Gmail webmail. This is a Thunderbird
bug. But now that I've done some additional resource it definitely is easy
to get around and you still use the Reply to Sender link, but don't activate
it directly, but bring up the context menu and go from there." Entire
message here from 3 days ago: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/message/79440

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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042

If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to
something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you
have a legal mind.

~ Thomas Reed Powell


Re: problem with links in email when using Thunderbird

 

On Sat, Dec 5, 2020 at 10:47 PM, Gene wrote:
I'm sorry if I forgot or didn't notice a detail in the over two hundred messages I get a day.
-
No, Gene, you're not.  This is not the first, nor the last, time you fail to pay any attention or review a topic in its entirety.  And it's equally frustrating each and every time you do it, and then pretend it's an oversight.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

        ~ Thomas Reed Powell

 


Re: problem with links in email when using Thunderbird

Gene
 

I may be on the verge of figuring out what is causing the problem. I'll report after a little more investigation.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2020 9:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with links in email when using Thunderbird

I'm sorry if I forgot or didn't notice a detail in the over two hundred
messages I get a day. A little courtesey and consideration would work
wonders.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2020 8:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with links in email when using Thunderbird

On Sat, Dec 5, 2020 at 08:55 PM, Gene wrote:
I wonder what happens when a sighted person clicks them with a mouse? At
this point, we don't have information to conclude whether this is an
accessibility problem or a general problem in Thunderbird.-
They work. And yes, we do. Do you not even bother reading the details I
give for this very purpose?

From an earlier message: "I do not have any issue with the Reply to Sender
link in Outlook 2016, eM Client, or Gmail webmail. This is a Thunderbird
bug. But now that I've done some additional resource it definitely is easy
to get around and you still use the Reply to Sender link, but don't activate
it directly, but bring up the context menu and go from there." Entire
message here from 3 days ago: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/message/79440

--


Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042

If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to
something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you
have a legal mind.

~ Thomas Reed Powell


Re: problem with links in email when using Thunderbird

Gene
 

I'm sorry if I forgot or didn't notice a detail in the over two hundred messages I get a day. A little courtesey and consideration would work wonders.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2020 8:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with links in email when using Thunderbird

On Sat, Dec 5, 2020 at 08:55 PM, Gene wrote:
I wonder what happens when a sighted person clicks them with a mouse? At this point, we don't have information to conclude whether this is an accessibility problem or a general problem in Thunderbird.-
They work. And yes, we do. Do you not even bother reading the details I give for this very purpose?

From an earlier message: "I do not have any issue with the Reply to Sender link in Outlook 2016, eM Client, or Gmail webmail. This is a Thunderbird bug. But now that I've done some additional resource it definitely is easy to get around and you still use the Reply to Sender link, but don't activate it directly, but bring up the context menu and go from there." Entire message here from 3 days ago: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/message/79440

--


Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042

If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

~ Thomas Reed Powell


Re: problem with links in email when using Thunderbird

 

On Sat, Dec 5, 2020 at 08:55 PM, Gene wrote:
I wonder what happens when a sighted person clicks them with a mouse? At this point, we don't have information to conclude whether this is an accessibility problem or a general problem in Thunderbird.
-
They work.  And yes, we do.  Do you not even bother reading the details I give for this very purpose?

From an earlier message:  "I do not have any issue with the Reply to Sender link in Outlook 2016, eM Client, or Gmail webmail.  This is a Thunderbird bug.  But now that I've done some additional resource it definitely is easy to get around and you still use the Reply to Sender link, but don't activate it directly, but bring up the context menu and go from there."    Entire message here from 3 days ago:  https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/message/79440 
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

        ~ Thomas Reed Powell

 


Re: problem with links in email when using Thunderbird

Gene
 

I haven't used such links and I wonder if they have access to the address even if it doesn't appear in the message. But the links don't work in Thunderbird even in lists where the addresses are available in the headers and/or the from line. There is no response when the links are attempted to be followed. I tried enter, the NVDA default action command, and the simulated mouse. I wonder what happens when a sighted person clicks them with a mouse? At this point, we don't have information to conclude whether this is an accessibility problem or a general problem in Thunderbird.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Jonathan COHN via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2020 7:50 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with links in email when using Thunderbird

Well, there are a couple possibilities here.
1. The group is truly hiding addresses either for privacy concerns, or to ensure that conversations go through the group. In this case, even if you look through the entire set of headers, you will not find the address.
2. There are ISP's that require that all e-mail sent with a from: of that ISP be certified as coming from an official SMTP server of the ISP. Therefore group mails have to change the from address to not have any remnants of the ISP.

For Google Groups, you can search the full headers for
x-original-from: and this will be the sender.
It might be that Outlook presents this because the from lines in Outlook are something like:
From Joe Smith on behalf of David Coperfield but I don't get any group mails on Outlook so I can't verify what Outlook is doing behind the scenes.


Re: problem with links in email when using Thunderbird

Jonathan COHN
 

Well, there are a couple possibilities here. 
1. The group is truly hiding addresses either for privacy concerns, or to ensure that conversations go through the group. In this case, even if you look through the entire set of headers, you will not find the address.
2. There are ISP's that require that all e-mail sent with a from: of that ISP be certified as coming from an official SMTP server of the ISP. Therefore group mails have to change the from address to not have any remnants of the ISP. 

For Google Groups, you can search the full headers for 
x-original-from: and this will be the sender. 
It might be that Outlook presents this because the from lines in Outlook are something like:
From Joe Smith on behalf of David Coperfield but I don't get any group mails on Outlook so I can't verify what Outlook is doing behind the scenes.


Re: NVDA and Math

Bhavya shah
 

Dear Sally,

It has been a very long while since Math Player was updated, yes. Last
I checked with them, they responded saying they were unaware of the
future roadmap of Math Player. Also, if you can't get NVDA+Alt+M to
enter a Math expression, try pressing Enter instead; it often works.
Unfortunately, I am unable to be of much help with your other
questions.

Thanks.

On 12/6/20, Sally Kiebdaj <fiddle.pup@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello all,

To circle back on a few threads earlier this fall, I have a few questions
about accessing math content with NVDA.

The NVDA user guide references MathPlayer. However, MathPlayer's site
doesn't show any updates more recent than 2016. Is this accurate? If so,
does it work with any of the newer browsers?

For Lamda, does the add-on function outside of the Lambda application? I'm
only dipping into linear algebra as a pre-req for a data science course so
am not sure if getting the Lamda application is necessary/advisable. Does
the Lambda add-on read math in webpages or word on its own?

Lastly, how does access8math work with NVDA? Is it also reliant on the
MathPlayer?

so far, I've been unable to get the NVDA math hotkey (NVDA + alt+ m) to
work under any circumstances, including in places that ChromeVox correctly
identifies MathJax.

Any and all guidance on how to start getting this working would be a huge
help. I haven't ever done math through a screen reader and haven't done
math of any kind since before 2005, not counting college stats classes when
I had some residual vision.

Thank you in advance!
Sally





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Stanford University | Class of 2024
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LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/


NVDACon20 highlight - the keynote with NV Access starts in half an hour from now

Adriani Botez
 

Dear all,

 

the most waited highlight is almost here, the keynote 2020 on NVDACon is gonna take place in half an hour from now! Join us on Teamtalk and meet Mick, Quentin and James live on stage at NVDACon.

You can join us in Teamtalk by using the details given on www.nvdacon.org.

 

If you don’t have the possibility to install teamtalk, you can also hear the keynote live on the following stream:

http://firestormhosting.net:8000/nvdacon.m3u

 

Best regards

Adriani

 


NVDA and Math

Sally Kiebdaj
 

Hello all,

To circle back on a few threads earlier this fall, I have a few questions about accessing math content with NVDA. 

The NVDA user guide references MathPlayer. However, MathPlayer's site doesn't show any updates more recent than 2016. Is this accurate? If so, does it work with any of the newer browsers? 

For Lamda, does the add-on function outside of the Lambda application? I'm only dipping into linear algebra as a pre-req for a data science course so am not sure if getting the Lamda application is necessary/advisable. Does the Lambda add-on read math in webpages or word on its own? 

Lastly, how does access8math work with NVDA? Is it also reliant on the MathPlayer? 

so far, I've been unable to get the NVDA math hotkey (NVDA + alt+ m) to work under any circumstances, including in places that ChromeVox correctly identifies MathJax. 

Any and all guidance on how to start getting this working would be a huge help. I haven't ever done math through a screen reader and haven't done math of any kind since before 2005, not counting college stats classes when I had some residual vision. 

Thank you in advance!
Sally 


Re: NVDA and terminal

Carlos Medrano
 

That's really interesting. Another thought that comes to mind is if you are using a terminal other than the windows default one. It's been a few years, but terminals such as mintty May not speak everything. Other terminals may get installed as part of programs such as cygwin  or git bash.


On Sat, Dec 5, 2020, 11:15 AM Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

I actually have no luck with that. For me it is on but using object nav does not work. See an audio games forum post on the subject. I don't have the link anymore, but a search at the audio games website should help.

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On 5 Dec 2020, at 9:10, Carlos Medrano wrote:

Just a thought, but is dynamic content enabled? You can do that by hitting NVDA+5.


On Sat, Dec 5, 2020, 3:01 AM Afik Souffir <afik.souffir@...> wrote:

From: Afik Souffir <afik.souffir@...>
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2020 6:46 AM
To: NVDA Mailing List
Subject: NVDA and terminal
 


Hi,
As part of my work, i need to connect via terminal, at Strauss Group.

When loading the Terminal from my laptop, NVDA is not speak and nothing shows in Braille.

What do i have to do for this to work?

Thanks for any help
Afik Souffir


locked Re: Problems with Google drive

 

On Sat, Dec 5, 2020 at 12:16 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
. . . are doing this thorugh file explorer? If so, it should just work. I've been able to do this now for quite some time.
-
That's the big question.  If so, it should behave just like any copy and paste function in Windows.  So should creating or deleting folders as well.

But in the Google Drive web interface, you don't copy and paste if you're working with files or folders, but you upload them.

By the way, this is a Google Drive question, completely unrelated to NVDA itself.  This topic is now locked.  If further discussion regarding Google Drive is desired please start a new topic on the Chat Subgroup:

NVDA Chat Subgroup Addresses

 

To join:  chat+subscribe@nvda.groups.io

To post:  chat@nvda.groups.io

To unsubscribe:  chat+unsubscribe@nvda.groups.io

 

To receive a message containing the group description, and a list of these commands:  chat+help@nvda.groups.io

To stop receiving messages via email (you may still read messages on the Web):  chat+nomail@nvda.groups.io

This can also be used to put a vacation stop on group messages, then use one of the addresses below to resume delivery in the format of your choice.

To receive each group messages individually:  chat+single@nvda.groups.io

This is the default delivery unless you send a message to one of the addresses that follows.

To receive group messages in an HTML formatted digest:  chat+fulldigest@nvda.groups.io

To receive group messages in a plain text digest:  chat+digest@nvda.groups.io

To receive a daily summary instead of individual messages:  chat+summary@nvda.groups.io

To receive only special messages:  chat+special@nvda.groups.io

To contact the group owner(s):  chat+owner@nvda.groups.io

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If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

        ~ Thomas Reed Powell

 


locked Re: Problems with Google drive

Rich DeSteno
 

I don't think that you can just paste into GoogleDrive. There are one and two letter commands to execute actions.  For example, if you are in the folder into which you are trying to paste a file, you can press the letter 'c' and get a list of possible actions, one of which is upload.  This also works pressing the letter 'a' for action.  Choose upload from the list and you can upload to the folder.  There are many keyboard shortcuts for GoogleDrive.  The AFB web site has a ten-part audio tutorial o how to use them with screen-reading software.

Rich De Steno

On 12/5/2020 12:14 PM, Ibrahim Ajayi wrote:
Hi good people:
I'm attempting to copy some files in to some folders I've uploaded on
to Google drive, but I am finding it impossible to do this.
When I attempt to paste the copied file in to a specific folder on the
drive, the file does not get pasted.
So, how can I get to solve this problem. Am I doing some thing wrongly here?
I hope my issue is clearly understood.
Ibrahim.




locked Re: Problems with Google drive

Sarah k Alawami
 

So you are doing this thorugh file explorer? If so, it should just work. I've been able to do this now for quite some time.

--

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Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

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On 5 Dec 2020, at 9:14, Ibrahim Ajayi wrote:

Hi good people:
I'm attempting to copy some files in to some folders I've uploaded on
to Google drive, but I am finding it impossible to do this.
When I attempt to paste the copied file in to a specific folder on the
drive, the file does not get pasted.
So, how can I get to solve this problem. Am I doing some thing wrongly here?
I hope my issue is clearly understood.
Ibrahim.


Re: NVDA and terminal

Sarah k Alawami
 

I actually have no luck with that. For me it is on but using object nav does not work. See an audio games forum post on the subject. I don't have the link anymore, but a search at the audio games website should help.

--

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 5 Dec 2020, at 9:10, Carlos Medrano wrote:

Just a thought, but is dynamic content enabled? You can do that by hitting NVDA+5.


On Sat, Dec 5, 2020, 3:01 AM Afik Souffir <afik.souffir@...> wrote:

From: Afik Souffir <afik.souffir@...>
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2020 6:46 AM
To: NVDA Mailing List
Subject: NVDA and terminal
 


Hi,
As part of my work, i need to connect via terminal, at Strauss Group.

When loading the Terminal from my laptop, NVDA is not speak and nothing shows in Braille.

What do i have to do for this to work?

Thanks for any help
Afik Souffir


locked Problems with Google drive

Ibrahim Ajayi
 

Hi good people:
I'm attempting to copy some files in to some folders I've uploaded on
to Google drive, but I am finding it impossible to do this.
When I attempt to paste the copied file in to a specific folder on the
drive, the file does not get pasted.
So, how can I get to solve this problem. Am I doing some thing wrongly here?
I hope my issue is clearly understood.
Ibrahim.


Re: NVDA and terminal

Carlos Medrano
 

Just a thought, but is dynamic content enabled? You can do that by hitting NVDA+5.


On Sat, Dec 5, 2020, 3:01 AM Afik Souffir <afik.souffir@...> wrote:

From: Afik Souffir <afik.souffir@...>
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2020 6:46 AM
To: NVDA Mailing List
Subject: NVDA and terminal
 


Hi,
As part of my work, i need to connect via terminal, at Strauss Group.

When loading the Terminal from my laptop, NVDA is not speak and nothing shows in Braille.

What do i have to do for this to work?

Thanks for any help
Afik Souffir


Re: NVDA and terminal

Sarah k Alawami
 

Try control m to read the shell. I think it's control m. If not try alt m.

Good luck.

--

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 5 Dec 2020, at 1:00, Afik Souffir wrote:


From: Afik Souffir <afik.souffir@...>
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2020 6:46 AM
To: NVDA Mailing List
Subject: NVDA and terminal
 


Hi,
As part of my work, i need to connect via terminal, at Strauss Group.

When loading the Terminal from my laptop, NVDA is not speak and nothing shows in Braille.

What do i have to do for this to work?

Thanks for any help
Afik Souffir

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