Date   

Re: Updated In-Process

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Zahra,

My apologies, I got distracted by my link not working and hadn't read all the way through the original thread until this morning.  I had just replied about Halloween, but I see others have here also so I'm glad you at least got the information!

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 5:19 PM, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
hello quentin.
did you read my comment in your previous email?
i opened the link without any problem, you did not tell me whats the
meaning of Halloween
God bless you and his infinite mercy i pray for you!!

On 11/1/17, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> I'm not sure what happened with my link in the last message, but here is an
> updated link to an updated post - I've included links to some of the
> fantastic community contributions we got for Halloween!  Feel free to join
> in and I'll update the post again as needed:
>
> https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-halloween-2017-edition/
>
> Kind regards
>
> Quentin.
>
> --
> Quentin Christensen
> Training and Support Manager
>
> Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available:
> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>
> www.nvaccess.org
> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
> Twitter: @NVAccess
>


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org






--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: Halloween In-Process

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Zahra,

Do you mean you aren't familiar with Halloween or did I write "[nvda] Halloween" somewhere?  If the latter, I'm not sure.

If you aren't familiar with Halloween, it's origins are debated (Christian, Celtic, Pagan), but essentially these days, it's a celebration of all things spooky and creepy (ghosts, ghouls, skeletons, witches), and particularly in Western countries, mostly a chance to decorate or dress up, and play with pumpkins.  America, particularly, seems to have embraced the tradition and celebration.  Kids like to dress up and knock on nearby houses door's and get given lollies - which does seem a bit odd given we spend the rest of the year telling them not to accept things from strangers :)  The common history, broadly, is that November 1 is "All saints day" in the Christian year, a celebration of every saint, known and unknown.  The eve of this either being the last chance for wandering souls to seek vengeance on earth before All Saint's Day, or the time when the barriers between worlds are down and ghostly spirits walk the land.

I'm sure plenty of others know more about the holiday than I do, but that's my "Halloween in a paragraph" explanation.  Actually if you want to read more, WIkipedia has more than I read on it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halloween

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 9:43 PM, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
hi quentin, i could open your post without problem.
may i ask whats the meaning of [nvda] Halloween?
i did not understand whats is it.
God bless you and his infinite mercy i pray for you.

On 10/31/17, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
> hi shaun.
> i decided to never update firefox too!
> i used firefox 52 for months and then decided to never update and
> returned back to firefox 51 and use 51 forever!
> just i promise to do so!
> if you need any settings in about:config to explane you, just let me
> know or contact me off list.
> God bless you!
>
> On 10/31/17, Gary Metzler <gmtravel@...> wrote:
>> Hi Quentin,
>>
>> I can’t get to the in process page.  I get an error of page not found.  I
>> just wanted you to know.
>>
>> From: Quentin Christensen
>> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2017 8:47 PM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: [nvda] Halloween In-Process
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> This week, we've got an update on using NVDA with Firefox 57, the Windows
>> 10
>> Fall Creators Update, getting NV Access training and support through the
>> NDIS in Australia, & a spooky Halloween message (& challenge)!  All in
>> this
>> Halloween edition of In-Process from @NVAccess
>> https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-halloween-2017-edition/ 🎃👻
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Quentin.
>> --
>>
>> Quentin Christensen
>> Training and Support Manager
>>
>>
>> Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available:
>> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>>
>>
>> www.nvaccess.org
>>
>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
>> Twitter: @NVAccess
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
> in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
> indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
> www.al-islam.org
>
>
>
>


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org






--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: NVDA, MS Office 2007 & Google Chrome

Chris Mullins
 

Hi and welcome

I use Outlook 2007 and Windows 10 but I previously used it under Windows 7 Home.  For me, Outlook rarely crashes and I don’t have any of the symtoms you describe when using it, (in both 7 and 10) but I found that it will stop working if you attempt to access the status bar using the NVDA+End keystroke.  I use it in a basic stripped down way, switching off preview pane,navigation pane,  toolbars etc, basically just accessing the Inbox folder switching folders using Control+y as required.  

 

As for the Ebay packing slip buttons, have you had a look at the Document formatting dialog, using NVDA+Control+d.  Just ensure you have all the options you require checked.

 

HTH

Chris

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Clare Page
Sent: 1 November 2017 11:20
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, MS Office 2007 & Google Chrome

 

Hi!

I’m glad to hear that you like NVDA, Philip, but I’m sorry you have several problems with it.

I can’t answer most of your questions, but I can say that, as far as I know, there are no special add-ons for Microsoft Office. I use Office 2007 myself, specifically Word, Excel and Outlook: the latter crashes sometimes for me, but otherwise it works well, and the only view change I made in Outlook after installing it was to have the newest emails at the bottom which I prefer. I also found that disabling the reading of tables works better for me in emails, as the body of some emails comes up as tables and I don’t want to hear row and column numbers all the time while reading the text: that’s my choice, though, and you may feel differently about that.

I hope other people can answer your other questions!

Bye for now!

From Clare

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Philip Anderson via Groups.Io
Sent: mercredi 1 novembre 2017 01:05
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA, MS Office 2007 & Google Chrome

 

Hi All

 

 

I am new to this group and wish to thank you for kindly accepting my membership. I am very much looking forward to meeting you and hearing your NVDA experiences.

 

I am really enjoying using NVDA. It is a fabulous alternative to JAWS. However, I have a few questions and wondered if you can help.

 

Please forgive me in advance if I have included two many questions in one email. I’m thinking most of them might simply be a case of settings; he says holding his breath... J

 

Please advise if you would rather I created a separate thread for each question. Here goes...

Operating System: Windows 7 Home

MS Office 2007

 

Q1. Are there any NVDA add ons for MS Office 2007?

 

I have searched, but cannot seem to find any.

 

In addition, what's the best configuration settings for viewing MS office 2007 Outlook messages in table view, only I am finding response time terribly slow and crashes and programme closures frequent?

I have tried enabling 'tables' in 'settings' and selecting anything else seemingly likely to resolve the problem, but without joy.

 

Furthermore, I am presently encountering problems sending and replying to messages. I am having to launch the 'new message or 'reply' options twice before I can write anything that NVDA will read back to me in all edit fields from 'address, subject and body.'

 

* Attempt 1 merely keeps saying 'blank' whenever I type into the fields, then freezes and I am forced to exit and try again.

 

* Works perfectly second time round.

 

NVDA, Google Chrome & Ebay

 

Q3. Similarly, I am experiencing one or two issues revising my Ebay listings. While I am able to edit 'Product Title' and 'General Item Specifics', there seems to be compatibility issues when it comes to updating 'Price' & 'Quantities' in listings with multiple variations when 'drag and drop' is required. What do you recommend?

 

Q4. In Paypal, while I can generally find work arounds for most things, accessing the buttons in 'packing slips' is a problem.

 

A Packing slip is a consignment note businesses can print off and include in with their products they are sending out to their customers.

To access 'Packing Slips':

* first select 'Summary'

* arrow down to payments received

* select recipient and press enter

* search for 'print packing slip' and press enter.

 

Here you should see three buttons:

 

* Button 1 allows you to 'print the slip

* button 2, edit your personalised customer message

& * button 3, Done.

 

NVDA recognises and echos the associated text for these buttons, but simply refuses to display them as clickable options.

 

Finally...

Q5. What possibly could be the underlining reason why NVDA's general key stroke options  keeps malfunctioning on my machine, leaving me with delayed speech recognition and no means of restarting the programme using the standard shortcut option other than a 'hard system boot?' 

 

Thank you in anticipation for your help in this regard.

 

Cordially

 

Philip

 


Re: Reading PDF files with NVDA using acrobat? Or awebbrowser?

David Griffith
 

As an experiment I loaded the same PDF I tested in Edge into QRead and it also did not find any headings at all. So functionally it was no difference to Edge in the access it gave.

However I do like QRead generally, especially with ePub books. Pressing control H will normally bing up a headings list of all the chapters of an ePub book which I find easy to navigate with.

I will do some more testing though  Edge does seem to offer at least basic PDF access with NVDA.

 

David Griffith

 

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: Mary Otten
Sent: 01 November 2017 20:11
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading PDF files with NVDA using acrobat? Or awebbrowser?

 

I have no problem paying for programs when they do what I need them to do. Free is nice, but it’s not always the best.

Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 1, 2017, at 9:56 AM, David Griffith <daj.griffith@...> wrote:

Personally I use  QRead for PDFs but this is not free.

As an experiment I took a Powerpoint presentation  which somebody had sent to me today  and converted it to a PDF.

I then opened it  from File Explorer in Edge with NVDA.

To a basic extent it worked very well and everything appeared to be read easily and normally in  Edge,. Certainly I could read through with line by line or  or paragraph just listen to the whole document with a say all command/ This  at least appears to be better than the say all interruption bug causing problems on the Mac at the moment.

The main downside is that although NVDA detected and announced the existence  of Headings n this document it did not navigate to them in my case with the use of the H heading command.

However as I say this was not a normal PDF so I would have to experiment further with this to see if it is a general problem.

However it seems that Edge is at least as good as if not better than the free text based PDF options like the Webbie Reader.

 

In terms of reading Tables  in PDFs Ihave in the past got around this by using Abbey Finereader which has seemed one of the best programs for detecting tables with a scan. I normally just read the tables then using Microsoft Word or save to Html to read in a browser.

However it may be that Acrobat support for screen reading access to tables has improved. I would have to hunt down a PDF with tables to check this out.

 

David Griffith

 

 

 

and.

 

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: Mary Otten
Sent: 01 November 2017 15:18
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading PDF files with NVDA using acrobat? Or a webbrowser?

 

So you are referring to the acrobat DC reader? I guess there is only one reader now? Just wanting to make sure I don’t get anything more complex then I need to have.

Mary

 

 

Sent from my iPhone

 

> On Nov 1, 2017, at 8:03 AM, Domingos de Oliveira via Groups.Io <domingos20000@...> wrote:

>

> Adobe Reader will tag the document automatically. When you start the programm first time, it will recognize that you are using assistive technology. You will then have to configure the Auto tagging function. When you open a document, the reader will insert the tags. After a few mintues, depends on the size of the document you can start to read. This procedure is not necessary for accessible or taged documents, but these docs are very rare.

>

>

>> Am 01.11.2017 um 15:31 schrieb Mary Otten:

>> I am coming from an old windows XP machine where I used an old version of Adobe acrobat with good success on many PDF files. It let me navigate tables, access links, read continuously if I wanted to, page through the document, etc. i’m going to get a new Windows 10 machine, and I’m going to put NVDA on it and of course it will have narrator. I want to know which method work the best for reading PDF files. I understand they will open in edge if you want. And I assume the Adobe DC acrobat reader or whatever it’s called is also accessible. I gather the older readers are no longer supported. Anyway, I’m looking for something that will give me the best possible experience with the least possible hassle.

>> Mary

>>

>>

>> Sent from my iPhone

>>

>

> --

> Domingos de Oliveira

> Accessibility-Consultant/Online-Redaktion

> Karthäuserstr. 13

> 53129 Bonn

> Tel: 0176 322 45 129

> Mail: domingos20000@...

> Web: www.oliveira-online.net

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 


Re: New NVDA user

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

Hey Tony. Thanks. You always have to wonder in these situations, what “the other guy” was like, especially when you feel you conduct yourself rather well. Oh well, there’ll be others.

 

So far, I’ve got the add-ons for Winamp, VLC, extended Aria support and the Windows 10 essentials. I’ll try some of the ones you mentioned, though I can only guess what a couple of them do.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony Ballou
Sent: November 1, 2017 4:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New NVDA user

 

Hi,

 

Welcome aboard! Sorry about not getting the job, that sucks!Their are a number of add ons that I find useful, they are clip speak, clip contents designer, OBJ Pad, review cursor copier, golden cursor, resource monitor, easy table navigator and place markers just to name a few.

 

Tony 

 

On 10/31/2017 2:21 PM, JM Casey wrote:

Hello folks. I’m sure other people have posted testimonials of some sort here before, but I fancy some enjoy reading such things, so here goes with mine. Feel free to ignore this message as I’m not posting for help or anything like that, though I will end with a question of sorts for the list.

 

I’ve been a JAWS user since, roughly, 1999. I recently got a Windows 10 machine (upgraded from XP!) and was able to get new JAWS at a discounted price from my former employer. I took advantage of the discount just before they laid me off! *grins*

 

Well, obviously perhaps, I’ve been spending a lot of time looking for employment since then. I recently had an interview where they needed me to do a test on a computer. They had not much idea about accommodations for blind folks but seemed very willing to give it a go. With a faint glimmer of hope, I told them about JAWS: that it was the most professional screen-reader around; that “yes, I know it’s really expensive, but there is a demo you can run for forty minutes at a time!”, etc, etc. ‘There’s also this thing called NVDA,” I muttered a little under my breath, “which is a free one; if you can’t get JAWS working, I suppose I could work with that.” I showed up to the interview, foolishly hoping my ole’ buddy the shark would save me. Nope! They couldn’t even get the demo to run, for some reason (the test computer was an old one, I think, running XP). So, NVDA it was to be!

 

I’ll back up a bit and say I’ve known about nVDA for quite some time. I always thought it might come in handy and that I should get it on one of my machines and start using it, but never got around to it. The closest I came was using it on my ex-wife’s laptop, mostly to play music. I still don’t like eSpeak, I’m afraid, and I used it on a Linux machine running Orca before, too. Because that laptop wasn’t mine I never really spent a lot of time with it; didn’t realise it would in fact be possible to change the synthesiser to something more to my liking.

 

Well, there I was, sitting in this open office, sweating profusely and feeling tense because I didn’t really know what I was doing. I managed to switch the voice to the XP narrator one, and that was reasonably ok. I found that everything worked like a charm! I only had to use three programmes at that time: notepad, MS Word and a programme for audio playback/transcription that had (thankfully) native keystroke commands. A part of the test was related to spelling and grammar, so I was able to configure NVDA, without reference to the user guide or any prior experience, to speak the level of punctuation I wanted and to indicate capital letters in a way that was convenient. There was a time limit involved, so I really wasn’t able to play around as much as I should have, yet I was very pleased that I was basically able to get everything up and working to my satisfaction.

 

Now I’m at home, running nVDA, and really liking it. I have no JAWS upgrades left, and that doesn’t bother me as much as I thought it would, though I’m not abandoning it altogether as I’m sure both screen-readers have their strengths.

 

So, I read the user guide. Great. A lot of very familiar keystrokes. Some small differences, but that’s fine and even welcome. I stumbled across the “switching from jAWS to nVDA” wiki page today and read through it; it confirmed some of what I’d already noted. I have also been looking through the add-ons on the official page and just installed the Windows 10 Essentials one. I don’t like these modern universal apps much, but, you know, may as well get used to them if they’re the up-and-coming thing, and maybe they’ll actually work better with NVDA than they do with JAWS.

 

What do you all think, those of you who have expereince with both screen-readers? Any thoughts that might not have been mentioned on the wiki over there? I’m not looking to start an argument, obviously, but I didn’t get a lot of feedback when I posted a similar message (without some of th e sarcasm) on the JAWS list, and I thought it might actually go over better here.

 

Also, what add-ons do you all like to use?

 

Cheers, and glad to be a part of the NVDA community.

 

P.S.: I didn’t get the job. That’s ok. I still learned something.

 


Re: Microsoft Core voice pausing too long between sentences

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

Hi Tyler.

It turned out that the file I had to modify was not the same as the one listed in your instructions, but when I did so and changed the values as you suggested in your blog .. it's now working perfectly. So thanks for that. For reference, the path for the file I needed to modify was:
"C:\Windows\Speech_OneCore\Engines\TTS\en-US\M1033David.INI"
So it seems each core voice has its own ini file that one would have to change manually. I did find another file in the windows\speech folder that I think had the name you mentioned (sorry, I don't have your blog page open right now), but that must have been for the sapi5 voices or something. Anyway, yes, I did have to give myself permission to modify the file, of course.

I'm now much happier with Dave, who sounds more awake.

Cheers.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tyler Spivey
Sent: October 31, 2017 8:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft Core voice pausing too long between sentences

You should only need to restart NVDA. Which file did you modify, and did your editor let you save it without problems?
If it brought up save as, then it didn't.

On 10/31/2017 2:07 PM, JM Casey wrote:

Sweet. That's helpful. I made the modification to the .ini, and
restarted nVDA. No change that I can detect yet. Perhaps I have to restart windows?
Anyway, thank you!


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Tyler Spivey
Sent: October 31, 2017 4:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft Core voice pausing too long between
sentences

If you're comfortable with editing system files, we can fix this.

https://tspivey.wordpress.com/2017/09/10/speeding-up-the-microsoft-one
core-v
oices-in-windows-10/

On 10/31/2017 12:56 PM, JM Casey wrote:
Hi everyone.

I'm thinking of getting Vocalizer or Eloquence add-on for nVDA, but
for now I'm using the MS Core voice, which is pretty good. I could
get used to this in fact. Only trouble is: it pauses too long when it
sees a punctuation mark. I think about a second for a comma; maybe
twice as long for a period. The speech rate itself is fine; it's just
these pauses that get my goat. Can I modify this somehow? Or am I
stuck with this if I use this voice?

Thanks,

JM







finding a specific SAPI5 voice

Giles Turnbull
 

Hi all,

I've got a specific SAPI5 voice question I'm hoping somebody might have an answer to. I use an Asus laptop, and Chuwi VI10 and Microsoft Surface Pro4 tablets, all of which are running Win10 and NVDA 17.3. For my normal day to day work I use Voice: Microsoft Zira Desktop - English (United States) but for times when I'm doing a poetry performance I alternate poems I've memorised with ones I use the Hazel voice to perform.

I managed to break my Chuwi VI10 by sitting on it and decided to replace it with a Chuwi HI10. I like the Chuwi tablets because they have two full size USB ports so I can use a wifi keyboard and another USB device at the same time.

I tend to set my devices up with English UK settings and then add English US keyboard layout. When I set the Chuwi HI10 system up I managed to configure Win10 the opposite way round, using US settings and adding an English UK keyboard layout, mainly because I had sighted assistance who wasn't familiar with setting up Windows and we couldn't find the English UK setup options. I suspect it's as a consequence of that that the HI10 does not have the Hazel UK English SAPI5 voice installed.

I know there are various articles on adding additional voices to NVDA, but none of them shed any light on how to add a specific Microsoft SAPI5 voice, namely Hazel, back to my system. Some webpages suggest adding English UK as a language in Control Panel settings, but when I try and do that English UK doesn't appear in the list of languages I can add, which I presume means I have already done that when I instaled the UK keyboard layout.

Does anybody know how or where I can find a download or purchase the Hazel voice? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated :)

Thanks,

Giles


Re: Dropbox.

Gene
 

There is no problem working with preferences and you don't need the add on.  I don't know if the add on works any longer but if you are in preferences, control tab moves you forward through the pages and control shift tab moves you back.
 
Gene
----- Original Meessage -----

Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2017 12:15 PM
Subject: [nvda] Dropbox.

Does anyone know if the recent new Dropbox versions have the problem that
you cannot access the preferences with or without the add on  and if you do
have this, has anyone reported it to tthem.They used to be quite up on
access but of late their web site has become messy and the desktop utility
has change version for nearly every week for months.
 I also notice that in task manager I appear to have three copies of the
executable running all with different lengths, but with the same process
name.
 Is this expected or should I take steps to reininstall it. I do rely on it
for my web site updating so I'm loathe to do this unless I have to and in
case logging in has become inaccessible as well.
 Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.




Re: no numpad

Tony Ballou
 

Hi,


The insert key can be used as a modifier, or use the caps lock key, or better still get a USB or wireless keyboard for it. 


Tony


On 10/31/2017 4:52 PM, Ame wrote:

Hi!

 

A friend just got a new laptop.  It’s an HP slim line.  It’s a windows 10.  She installed NVDA on the machine and nobody can find the numlock key.  She had her mother look and it doesn’t have one.  Apparently some don’t have the numpad or the numlock.  Very different.  I’ve never  heard of or seen a keyboard without the numpad and the numlock.  So, here’s the question:  What do you use for the NVDA key? 

 

Thanks so much in advance for your help.



Re: New NVDA user

Tony Ballou
 

Hi,


Welcome aboard! Sorry about not getting the job, that sucks!Their are a number of add ons that I find useful, they are clip speak, clip contents designer, OBJ Pad, review cursor copier, golden cursor, resource monitor, easy table navigator and place markers just to name a few.


Tony 


On 10/31/2017 2:21 PM, JM Casey wrote:

Hello folks. I’m sure other people have posted testimonials of some sort here before, but I fancy some enjoy reading such things, so here goes with mine. Feel free to ignore this message as I’m not posting for help or anything like that, though I will end with a question of sorts for the list.

 

I’ve been a JAWS user since, roughly, 1999. I recently got a Windows 10 machine (upgraded from XP!) and was able to get new JAWS at a discounted price from my former employer. I took advantage of the discount just before they laid me off! *grins*

 

Well, obviously perhaps, I’ve been spending a lot of time looking for employment since then. I recently had an interview where they needed me to do a test on a computer. They had not much idea about accommodations for blind folks but seemed very willing to give it a go. With a faint glimmer of hope, I told them about JAWS: that it was the most professional screen-reader around; that “yes, I know it’s really expensive, but there is a demo you can run for forty minutes at a time!”, etc, etc. ‘There’s also this thing called NVDA,” I muttered a little under my breath, “which is a free one; if you can’t get JAWS working, I suppose I could work with that.” I showed up to the interview, foolishly hoping my ole’ buddy the shark would save me. Nope! They couldn’t even get the demo to run, for some reason (the test computer was an old one, I think, running XP). So, NVDA it was to be!

 

I’ll back up a bit and say I’ve known about nVDA for quite some time. I always thought it might come in handy and that I should get it on one of my machines and start using it, but never got around to it. The closest I came was using it on my ex-wife’s laptop, mostly to play music. I still don’t like eSpeak, I’m afraid, and I used it on a Linux machine running Orca before, too. Because that laptop wasn’t mine I never really spent a lot of time with it; didn’t realise it would in fact be possible to change the synthesiser to something more to my liking.

 

Well, there I was, sitting in this open office, sweating profusely and feeling tense because I didn’t really know what I was doing. I managed to switch the voice to the XP narrator one, and that was reasonably ok. I found that everything worked like a charm! I only had to use three programmes at that time: notepad, MS Word and a programme for audio playback/transcription that had (thankfully) native keystroke commands. A part of the test was related to spelling and grammar, so I was able to configure NVDA, without reference to the user guide or any prior experience, to speak the level of punctuation I wanted and to indicate capital letters in a way that was convenient. There was a time limit involved, so I really wasn’t able to play around as much as I should have, yet I was very pleased that I was basically able to get everything up and working to my satisfaction.

 

Now I’m at home, running nVDA, and really liking it. I have no JAWS upgrades left, and that doesn’t bother me as much as I thought it would, though I’m not abandoning it altogether as I’m sure both screen-readers have their strengths.

 

So, I read the user guide. Great. A lot of very familiar keystrokes. Some small differences, but that’s fine and even welcome. I stumbled across the “switching from jAWS to nVDA” wiki page today and read through it; it confirmed some of what I’d already noted. I have also been looking through the add-ons on the official page and just installed the Windows 10 Essentials one. I don’t like these modern universal apps much, but, you know, may as well get used to them if they’re the up-and-coming thing, and maybe they’ll actually work better with NVDA than they do with JAWS.

 

What do you all think, those of you who have expereince with both screen-readers? Any thoughts that might not have been mentioned on the wiki over there? I’m not looking to start an argument, obviously, but I didn’t get a lot of feedback when I posted a similar message (without some of th e sarcasm) on the JAWS list, and I thought it might actually go over better here.

 

Also, what add-ons do you all like to use?

 

Cheers, and glad to be a part of the NVDA community.

 

P.S.: I didn’t get the job. That’s ok. I still learned something.



Re: New NVDA user

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

Hey Damien. No, you are right, JAWS officially has nothing like this, and it is a shame, but I guess, typical of commercial products. The closest thing would probably be the JAWS users page, which has a page with a bunch of script links, but it’s hardly everything and I never got the impression FS really encouraged people to do this.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Damien Sykes-Lindley
Sent: November 1, 2017 2:14 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New NVDA user

 

Hi,

The reason I say NVDA addons are managed better than JAWS scripts is because NVDA has the addon repository. Admittedly I haven’t visited the JAWS website in some time, but last I checked they didn’t have a similar repository for JAWS scripts so you had to search high and low for them.

Cheers.

Damien.

 

From: JM Casey

Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2017 8:01 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] New NVDA user

 

Hi. Thanks for the awesome response.

 

Yeah, the eSpeak voice – you know, I recently got an emulator for the Apple 2 and old Echo speech synthesizer. It was really eerie to hear that singing robotic voice again after so many years. It’s weird that I have an easier time listening to that than I do eSpeak, a synth still in use today, but there you go. I don’t demand the human-sounding ones; Eloquence is really good enough for me, but I’ve gotten used to Vocalizer with JAWS now and mostly like it … only as you say, it sounds worse when you increase the  speech rate.

 

 

 

Interesting that you say NVDA add-ons work better than JAWS scripts for their respective products. Why is that? They do seem a little easier to install. I use both Goldwave and Winamp, so I’ll gladly give those ones a try.

 

Thanks again.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Damien Sykes-Lindley
Sent: October 31, 2017 3:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New NVDA user

 

Hi,

Running JAWS in 40 minute mode was about the best I could hope for before getting NVDA. There are a whole bunch of voices you can get for NVDA, including recently Eloquence, the same voice that is generally and traditionally associated with JAWS. If you prefer the complete JAWS keyboard layout you can of course remap NVDA’s commands to your liking, as well as have separate configurations per application. A lot of this has only happened over the past few years. I have been using NVDA as my primary screen reader now for the past four or five years.

As for speech synthesisers, they are the most important component for those relying on audible feedback only and have thus opened up plenty of cans of worms for people. Especially if they are not understood.

As far as I’m concerned, though ESpeak is free, responsive and portable, I struggle to understand it due to its robotic nature, its sharpness, and it’s tonal timbre. Reminds me of a distorted version of the Dolphin Apollo 2 with a bit of feedback.

Concatenative speech synthesisers also have their drawbacks. They can pick the wrong samples, you can hear audible artefacts at faster speeds and different pitches, and they are less responsive than the formant ones.

While Eloquence is not my be-all-end-all, it is definitely one of the most readily available. What’s more, fortunately there is a legal way to use Eloquence with NVDA now.

While I believe wholeheartedly that without commercial screen readers we would probably never gotten as far as we have with such as NVDA, I also believe, just as strongly, that we shouldn’t have to pay any more than a sighted person should have to pay for a screen to be able to access information on our computers. Therefore even were I given the choice I would probably never upgrade to a commercial reader on principle, unless of course the price was significantly lowered.

As for addons. NVDA works a lot better with addons than JAWS did with scripts. NVDA has a central repository of addons that you can browse and use. While some people do create addons and host them privately, the vast majority of things that need to be scripted are available officially.

What addons you use depend on what applications you use. Personally, I use the GoldWave and Winamp addons. I used the Station Playlist addon until recently when I stopped broadcasting.

As for generic addons, again it depends what functionality you’re looking for. I wrote an addon to try and simulate, if not improve, the announcements that JAWS makes when you access the clipboard. Though it does have some known snags...

There’s also the Day of the Week addon that I’m fond of, sometimes I use NVDA Remote (though generally only to access my home PC should I be away with my laptop etc, very rare for me!), Virtual Review, System Tray etc. Of course there’s also ones that I have no need for, such as OCR, weather retrieval, speech recognition, translation, enhanced clock etc.

Hope that helps.

Cheers.
Damien.

 

From: JM Casey

Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2017 6:21 PM

Subject: [nvda] New NVDA user

 

Hello folks. I’m sure other people have posted testimonials of some sort here before, but I fancy some enjoy reading such things, so here goes with mine. Feel free to ignore this message as I’m not posting for help or anything like that, though I will end with a question of sorts for the list.

 

I’ve been a JAWS user since, roughly, 1999. I recently got a Windows 10 machine (upgraded from XP!) and was able to get new JAWS at a discounted price from my former employer. I took advantage of the discount just before they laid me off! *grins*

 

Well, obviously perhaps, I’ve been spending a lot of time looking for employment since then. I recently had an interview where they needed me to do a test on a computer. They had not much idea about accommodations for blind folks but seemed very willing to give it a go. With a faint glimmer of hope, I told them about JAWS: that it was the most professional screen-reader around; that “yes, I know it’s really expensive, but there is a demo you can run for forty minutes at a time!”, etc, etc. ‘There’s also this thing called NVDA,” I muttered a little under my breath, “which is a free one; if you can’t get JAWS working, I suppose I could work with that.” I showed up to the interview, foolishly hoping my ole’ buddy the shark would save me. Nope! They couldn’t even get the demo to run, for some reason (the test computer was an old one, I think, running XP). So, NVDA it was to be!

 

I’ll back up a bit and say I’ve known about nVDA for quite some time. I always thought it might come in handy and that I should get it on one of my machines and start using it, but never got around to it. The closest I came was using it on my ex-wife’s laptop, mostly to play music. I still don’t like eSpeak, I’m afraid, and I used it on a Linux machine running Orca before, too. Because that laptop wasn’t mine I never really spent a lot of time with it; didn’t realise it would in fact be possible to change the synthesiser to something more to my liking.

 

Well, there I was, sitting in this open office, sweating profusely and feeling tense because I didn’t really know what I was doing. I managed to switch the voice to the XP narrator one, and that was reasonably ok. I found that everything worked like a charm! I only had to use three programmes at that time: notepad, MS Word and a programme for audio playback/transcription that had (thankfully) native keystroke commands. A part of the test was related to spelling and grammar, so I was able to configure NVDA, without reference to the user guide or any prior experience, to speak the level of punctuation I wanted and to indicate capital letters in a way that was convenient. There was a time limit involved, so I really wasn’t able to play around as much as I should have, yet I was very pleased that I was basically able to get everything up and working to my satisfaction.

 

Now I’m at home, running nVDA, and really liking it. I have no JAWS upgrades left, and that doesn’t bother me as much as I thought it would, though I’m not abandoning it altogether as I’m sure both screen-readers have their strengths.

 

So, I read the user guide. Great. A lot of very familiar keystrokes. Some small differences, but that’s fine and even welcome. I stumbled across the “switching from jAWS to nVDA” wiki page today and read through it; it confirmed some of what I’d already noted. I have also been looking through the add-ons on the official page and just installed the Windows 10 Essentials one. I don’t like these modern universal apps much, but, you know, may as well get used to them if they’re the up-and-coming thing, and maybe they’ll actually work better with NVDA than they do with JAWS.

 

What do you all think, those of you who have expereince with both screen-readers? Any thoughts that might not have been mentioned on the wiki over there? I’m not looking to start an argument, obviously, but I didn’t get a lot of feedback when I posted a similar message (without some of th e sarcasm) on the JAWS list, and I thought it might actually go over better here.

 

Also, what add-ons do you all like to use?

 

Cheers, and glad to be a part of the NVDA community.

 

P.S.: I didn’t get the job. That’s ok. I still learned something.


Re: Reading PDF files with NVDA using acrobat? Or a webbrowser?

Mary Otten <motten53@...>
 

I have no problem paying for programs when they do what I need them to do. Free is nice, but it’s not always the best.


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On Nov 1, 2017, at 9:56 AM, David Griffith <daj.griffith@...> wrote:

Personally I use  QRead for PDFs but this is not free.

As an experiment I took a Powerpoint presentation  which somebody had sent to me today  and converted it to a PDF.

I then opened it  from File Explorer in Edge with NVDA.

To a basic extent it worked very well and everything appeared to be read easily and normally in  Edge,. Certainly I could read through with line by line or  or paragraph just listen to the whole document with a say all command/ This  at least appears to be better than the say all interruption bug causing problems on the Mac at the moment.

The main downside is that although NVDA detected and announced the existence  of Headings n this document it did not navigate to them in my case with the use of the H heading command.

However as I say this was not a normal PDF so I would have to experiment further with this to see if it is a general problem.

However it seems that Edge is at least as good as if not better than the free text based PDF options like the Webbie Reader.

 

In terms of reading Tables  in PDFs Ihave in the past got around this by using Abbey Finereader which has seemed one of the best programs for detecting tables with a scan. I normally just read the tables then using Microsoft Word or save to Html to read in a browser.

However it may be that Acrobat support for screen reading access to tables has improved. I would have to hunt down a PDF with tables to check this out.

 

David Griffith

 

 

 

and.

 

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: Mary Otten
Sent: 01 November 2017 15:18
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading PDF files with NVDA using acrobat? Or a webbrowser?

 

So you are referring to the acrobat DC reader? I guess there is only one reader now? Just wanting to make sure I don’t get anything more complex then I need to have.

Mary

 

 

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> On Nov 1, 2017, at 8:03 AM, Domingos de Oliveira via Groups.Io <domingos20000@...> wrote:

>

> Adobe Reader will tag the document automatically. When you start the programm first time, it will recognize that you are using assistive technology. You will then have to configure the Auto tagging function. When you open a document, the reader will insert the tags. After a few mintues, depends on the size of the document you can start to read. This procedure is not necessary for accessible or taged documents, but these docs are very rare.

>

>

>> Am 01.11.2017 um 15:31 schrieb Mary Otten:

>> I am coming from an old windows XP machine where I used an old version of Adobe acrobat with good success on many PDF files. It let me navigate tables, access links, read continuously if I wanted to, page through the document, etc. i’m going to get a new Windows 10 machine, and I’m going to put NVDA on it and of course it will have narrator. I want to know which method work the best for reading PDF files. I understand they will open in edge if you want. And I assume the Adobe DC acrobat reader or whatever it’s called is also accessible. I gather the older readers are no longer supported. Anyway, I’m looking for something that will give me the best possible experience with the least possible hassle.

>> Mary

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>> Sent from my iPhone

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Re: New NVDA user

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

Hi. Thanks for the response. This seems a friendly and helpful community.

Just a quick question, Claire....I noticed there are two possible Vocalizer
add-ons: one packaged with Eloquence and made my Code Factory, the other
simply called "Nuance Vocalizer Expressive" or something like that. I'm
thinking of getting the second one so that I can get my favourite "premium
high quality" Daniel voice working with nVDA. But which one do you use?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Clare
Page
Sent: November 1, 2017 6:41 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New NVDA user

Hi!
I was a JAWS user for ten years before I switched to using NVDA full-time. I
used JAWS 3.5 on Windows 98 to begin with, then JAWS 6.20 on Windows XP. In
2010 my XP computer started having power issues, so I started using NVDA
more regularly on that computer because it used less power. That computer
finally gave up the ghost in 2011, so, as I couldn't afford to upgrade JAWS
for Windows 7, I switched to NVDA and have used that ever since. The only
thing which would make me use JAWS again is if I needed it for a particular
job, or if I was using someone else's computer which has JAWS but not NVDA,
but neither situation seems very likely for me right now.
As for add-ons, I use several, including Vocalizer, the add-on for Winamp,
and the add-on to read emoticons and emojis which are so often used these
days. There are lots of good add-ons out there, depending on what you want,
whether it's extra voices or extra functions.
Bye for now!
From Clare

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of John
Isige
Sent: mardi 31 octobre 2017 20:21
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New NVDA user

Well I don't know about strengths and weaknesses. But my testimonial is that
I got sick of paying for jaws, so I decided to try NVDA for a month, I think
it was. There were a few times, mostly with installers or the like, where
I'd run into a situation where NVDA wouldn't read the screen, so I'd fire up
jaws. Jaws didn't read the screen either. I realized that NVDA was doing
everything I needed it to and jaws wasn't offering me any advantages that I
could see, so I switched. Pretty simple really. I have nothing against jaws,
used it for years, man I want to say from 3 or 4 or such.

As for addons, you might want to check out NVDA Remote. There's an addon for
Winamp and VLC. I've got Vocalizer for NVDA. The SysTrayList addon is nice,
but that's mostly because I can never remember if there's a quick way to get
to the system tray without it. NVDA works just fine without it, you can get
into the tray and right click and all, but the addon basically gives you the
equivalent of jaws-F11. A couple other jaws equivalents are Virtual Review
and Place Markers, the latter gives you place markers on web pages and some
other documents. Hope that helps.


Re: NVDA and sappy five voices

Mary Otten <motten53@...>
 

Yes, we have a Best Buy. I had a bad experience a few years ago when I purchased a laptop, and they said they were going to take all the junk off and they didn’t. And I paid them 100 bucks for the privilege. Things could’ve changed I suppose. I’ll be checking their end with a couple of small shops here in town.


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On Oct 31, 2017, at 9:09 AM, tina sohl <tinabir@samobile.net> wrote:

Is there a best buy near you? They have 1 24/7 warranty for 3 compuyers you can add at any time and installs are free. I'm not sure if the prices they gave us are the same everywhere though. I think it's hard getting one with out junk on it. Is there any one who could help you? We don't have anyone, so take ours to microsoft or somewhere.
Original message:
Interesting thought, Tina. There isn't a Microsoft store anywhere near here however, just as there isn't an Apple store anywhere near here. Sigh.
Mary

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On Oct 31, 2017, at 8:38 AM, tina sohl <tinabir@samobile.net> wrote:
Mary, if you shop with HSN or qvc, they have good deals on pcs. We just took ours to a microsoft store and they just put windows back on it with out the junk. Just a thought.
Original message:
Thanks, David. Do you happen to know where that alternative FileExplorer might be obtained? I am not going to have a 4 TB hard drive. I'll be lucky to have a 1 TB hard drive. In fact, a 512 GB SSD would probably do me. I was looking around on the Accessibility central site. There is definitely a lot of stuff there. Now finding a machine without crap where that won't break the bank, that's another problem. I was looking on the windows store from Microsoft. It seems that everything there is either expensive or out of stock and expensive. Smile. Oh well. Something will turn up.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 30, 2017, at 6:42 PM, David Griffith <daj.griffith@gmail.com <mailto:daj.griffith@gmail.com>> wrote:


I think my main advice, personally, if you are to rely on Free Screenreaders on windows is to keep a copy of the free Explorer ++ File Management Utility on your system. The main limitation with using NVDA for me personally with Windows 10 is the way it can grind to a halt in File Explorer with large drives. I can tab around but NVDA just will not respond for ages. This problem has persisted for me through several NVDA versions and through a complete fresh install of Windows . Luckily having a copy of Explorer ++ on your system can solve this problem nicely if you happen to experience it. I just put a copy of Explorer ++ on my Desktop and I have made a shortcut of control sshift E to it. NVDA is slick fast and snappy with this alternative to File Explorer, actually faster and more responsive than Jaws with this particular utility I find. This may not be an issue for you as NVDA I think is normally responsive to smaller size drives/folders in File Explorer but it definitely cannot cope with my secondary 4TB drive which is nearly full. It flies with Explorer ++ though. Explorer ++ can if you want completely replace File Explorer but I have not gone this route. It also has file management features not available in Explorer so might be worth having anyway.
The other great resource is the Screenreader Accessible page at www.nimite.com <http://www.nimite.com> where you can get up and running with most of all the free programs you will need, including actually NVDA, with one single unattended and silent installer. Finally the addons repository and the Accessibility Central website which I believe the moderator on this list supports is also a great resource to get up and running with the Road Tested NVDA programs sections especially useful.
http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/ <http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/>
David Griffith
My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/ <http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/>
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts <https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts>
From: Mary Otten <mailto:motten53@gmail.com>
Sent: 30 October 2017 18:39
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and sappy five voices
I had a Boot Camp Windows 7 installation on my Mac. It's actually still there. But I had some issues. Anyway, I didn't want to do fusion, because I had heard a lot about audio problems and keyboard mapping problems. I really thought if I hung on long enough, the issues I had would be solved. Are used a Mac since snow leopard. Now, I'm about done. So I will be checking into signature addition machines, even though they seem ungodly expensive and a bit more than I need in terms of horse power extra graphics etc. at least there are decent free alternative screen readers now, something that wasn't true in the past. Having been on the wrong screen reader horse numerous times, from window vision to window bridge to window eyes, I absolutely refuse to keep going down the rabbit hole of the page screenwriter but never keeps up anyway.
If anybody has any PC advice, please write me off list, since I know this is wildly off-topic.
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 30, 2017, at 11:16 AM, David Griffith <daj.griffith@gmail.com <mailto:daj.griffith@gmail.com>> wrote:
I perfectly understand why you might need to move into a Windows environment from the Mac. I had to make much the same journey myself because productivity stuff was too difficult on the Mac. The good news is that Windows has improved for free access with improved support for NVDA and Narrator. In an ideal world it is good to have both machines but if money is an issue I just wondered why you have not gone either the VMWare Fusion or Boot Camp route to using Windows on a Mac?
Just a suggestion – it might save you the cost of new laptop.
David Griffith
My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/ <http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/>
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts <https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts>
From: Mary Otten <mailto:motten53@gmail.com>
Sent: 30 October 2017 16:26
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and sappy five voices
Does NVDA work with sapi 5 voices? Is it hard to get going? This would be on windows 10. I'm not sure if that was still work under windows 10. Still don't have a Windows 10 machine, but I'm just about to the point of buying one, since the d" Mac just isn't doing what I needed to do. But that's another thread not for this list.
Mary
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Re: NVDA and sappy five voices

Tony Ballou
 

Hi Mary,


Sure does! It also works with windows one core voices as well.


Tony

On 10/30/2017 12:26 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
Does NVDA work with sapi 5 voices? Is it hard to get going? This would be on windows 10. I'm not sure if that was still work under windows 10. Still don't have a Windows 10 machine, but I'm just about to the point of buying one, since the d" Mac just isn't doing what I needed to do. But that's another thread not for this list.
Mary


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Re: Reading PDF files with NVDA using acrobat? Or a web browser?

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

Hi.

I use qRead, as someone else mentioned below. It is not free but works with PDFs, epubs and a couple of other formats, and I like it because it loads them really, really fast, even if they are large, which isn't really the case with Adobe. I also have Adobe pro on this machine and I really like it; the oCR feature is great. Again though, it's slow as can be, even on my new Windows 10 machine, so not always a nice solution.

I tested Adobe Acrobat DC on a work machine running Windows 10 and it works pretty well with JAWS, at least. I can't speak for its funcationality with nVDA (which I myself just started using), and there's the caveat about speed I mentioned earlier, which never seems something Adobe has been interested in improving upon.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: November 1, 2017 10:31 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Reading PDF files with NVDA using acrobat? Or a web browser?

I am coming from an old windows XP machine where I used an old version of Adobe acrobat with good success on many PDF files. It let me navigate tables, access links, read continuously if I wanted to, page through the document, etc. i’m going to get a new Windows 10 machine, and I’m going to put NVDA on it and of course it will have narrator. I want to know which method work the best for reading PDF files. I understand they will open in edge if you want. And I assume the Adobe DC acrobat reader or whatever it’s called is also accessible. I gather the older readers are no longer supported. Anyway, I’m looking for something that will give me the best possible experience with the least possible hassle.
Mary


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Re: New NVDA user

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

Hi Brian. Thanks for the response.

I'm already finding some interesting disparity between my two
screen-readers. I use a torrent client and nVDA doesn't seem to work as well
with it as JAWS does, which also doesn't work as it used to with it on the
XP machine/an older version, but never mind. On the other hand I think I
really like using both Outlook 2010 and Firefox with NVDA more than I do
with jAWS. I'm glad to be able to switch back and forth.

I never used Windows 7 except at an old workplace, but I have to say that as
problematic as it can be, there are some things I like about Windows 10,
quite a bit in fact. The new file explorer is kind of great, and I've
enjoyed playing around a bit with powershell. And the compatibility mode
lets you run most old windows programmes that might normally give you
trouble, though the old Qbasic is a write off I guess, so no more Eamon
games for me. *grins*

And yeah, you never know when you're going to find an old XP machine. They
still use them for the kind of stuff I mentioned above. You can isolate it
from your regular network and just use it for testing/training purposes, or
whatever. In that case, a working version of NVDA would suddenly become very
important. I don't think Freedom Scientific makes JAWS 11 (or whatever)
available on their site anymore.

Cheers.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's
Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: November 1, 2017 11:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New NVDA user

Well, I have to say that I've never used Jaws, I had Supernova before, but
when I completely lost my sight, I did not really need all the magnification
stuff and as you say things start to get expensive when Windows is being
updated all the time. Up until recently I had two working machines one on 7,
this newish one, and an old updated to death one running 10. sadly that
latter one died and is beyond salvage having fried its motherboard with a
psu fault.
So I'm using 7 and will not update to 10, mainly due to what you say, all
those apps but they are all one offs and need to be made accessible, but I
will get a new windows 10 machine soon.
Nvda is great for several reasons. You can run betas and you can ask people
who know about this stuff to see if they can fix issues and they get fixed.
Also, when or if something des go awry, you can very easily roll back nvda
so you can carry on as before. this r4ecently happened for XP as you will
probably know the last version was the last to run on XP, and is being kept
available as there are as you proved old system still out there. Of course
no new software is being made for xp, so the current screenreader will be
all you really need on such machines.


I never felt I got this amount of involvement from Dolphin, despite being a
paying customer, that is not of course being too critical as they much have
a lot more people breathing down their necks over there.

I do however try to donate to NV Access every time a new version comes out.
sometimes its quite a lot, others not so much. I am now a pensioner, after
all!
Leans on old walking stick, well not quite yet!
So yes, nothing is perfect, as you say Espeak is a bit of a jack of all
trades and hence does have some problems, but its even quite easy to tweak
and create different voices in Espeak, Quincy is one I made for laptop use,
as its not as shrill as the other ones or indeed the default voice. It has
never been good at US accents, sounding like a cross between posh New
England and Canadian to me.
But in the UK here I find it acceptable.
Brian

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From: "JM Casey" <crystallogic@ca.inter.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2017 6:21 PM
Subject: [nvda] New NVDA user


Hello folks. I'm sure other people have posted testimonials of some sort
here before, but I fancy some enjoy reading such things, so here goes with
mine. Feel free to ignore this message as I'm not posting for help or
anything like that, though I will end with a question of sorts for the
list.



I've been a JAWS user since, roughly, 1999. I recently got a Windows 10
machine (upgraded from XP!) and was able to get new JAWS at a discounted
price from my former employer. I took advantage of the discount just
before
they laid me off! *grins*



Well, obviously perhaps, I've been spending a lot of time looking for
employment since then. I recently had an interview where they needed me to
do a test on a computer. They had not much idea about accommodations for
blind folks but seemed very willing to give it a go. With a faint glimmer
of
hope, I told them about JAWS: that it was the most professional
screen-reader around; that "yes, I know it's really expensive, but there
is
a demo you can run for forty minutes at a time!", etc, etc. 'There's also
this thing called NVDA," I muttered a little under my breath, "which is a
free one; if you can't get JAWS working, I suppose I could work with
that."
I showed up to the interview, foolishly hoping my ole' buddy the shark
would
save me. Nope! They couldn't even get the demo to run, for some reason
(the
test computer was an old one, I think, running XP). So, NVDA it was to be!



I'll back up a bit and say I've known about nVDA for quite some time. I
always thought it might come in handy and that I should get it on one of
my
machines and start using it, but never got around to it. The closest I
came
was using it on my ex-wife's laptop, mostly to play music. I still don't
like eSpeak, I'm afraid, and I used it on a Linux machine running Orca
before, too. Because that laptop wasn't mine I never really spent a lot of
time with it; didn't realise it would in fact be possible to change the
synthesiser to something more to my liking.



Well, there I was, sitting in this open office, sweating profusely and
feeling tense because I didn't really know what I was doing. I managed to
switch the voice to the XP narrator one, and that was reasonably ok. I
found
that everything worked like a charm! I only had to use three programmes at
that time: notepad, MS Word and a programme for audio
playback/transcription
that had (thankfully) native keystroke commands. A part of the test was
related to spelling and grammar, so I was able to configure NVDA, without
reference to the user guide or any prior experience, to speak the level of
punctuation I wanted and to indicate capital letters in a way that was
convenient. There was a time limit involved, so I really wasn't able to
play
around as much as I should have, yet I was very pleased that I was
basically
able to get everything up and working to my satisfaction.



Now I'm at home, running nVDA, and really liking it. I have no JAWS
upgrades
left, and that doesn't bother me as much as I thought it would, though I'm
not abandoning it altogether as I'm sure both screen-readers have their
strengths.



So, I read the user guide. Great. A lot of very familiar keystrokes. Some
small differences, but that's fine and even welcome. I stumbled across the
"switching from jAWS to nVDA" wiki page today and read through it; it
confirmed some of what I'd already noted. I have also been looking through
the add-ons on the official page and just installed the Windows 10
Essentials one. I don't like these modern universal apps much, but, you
know, may as well get used to them if they're the up-and-coming thing, and
maybe they'll actually work better with NVDA than they do with JAWS.



What do you all think, those of you who have expereince with both
screen-readers? Any thoughts that might not have been mentioned on the
wiki
over there? I'm not looking to start an argument, obviously, but I didn't
get a lot of feedback when I posted a similar message (without some of th
e
sarcasm) on the JAWS list, and I thought it might actually go over better
here.



Also, what add-ons do you all like to use?



Cheers, and glad to be a part of the NVDA community.



P.S.: I didn't get the job. That's ok. I still learned something.


Re: NVDA, MS Office 2007 & Google Chrome

tina sohl <tinabir@...>
 

Someone was saying skype 8's a mess, what did they do with it?
Original message:

Yeah, a lot of things like the new skype has a lot of clickable repeated
buttons.
I do think we have this adjusted with sound.
Ie if something is text and is clickable a single sound or sound group
should be played, it then shouldn't matter how many times it says
clickable as long as it can be clicked.



On 2/11/2017 4:55 a.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Its a catch 22 though since we got these clickable items. You need to
have a noise really, but its easy to miss that.
Brian
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip Anderson via Groups.Io"
<philip.anderson4=ntlworld.com@groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2017 11:40 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, MS Office 2007 & Google Chrome

Hello Clare


Thank you. I shall give your suggestion a go since I too dislike hearing
line number announcements constantly.
It was the same as hearing 'Clickable' continually when browsing the
web.
Then I discovered through Document formatting how to disable this
option.
Phew


Take care and thank you once again.


Philip
!


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Clare
Page
Sent: 01 November 2017 11:20
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, MS Office 2007 & Google Chrome


Hi!
I'm glad to hear that you like NVDA, Philip, but I'm sorry you have
several
problems with it.
I can't answer most of your questions, but I can say that, as far as
I know,
there are no special add-ons for Microsoft Office. I use Office 2007
myself,
specifically Word, Excel and Outlook: the latter crashes sometimes
for me,
but otherwise it works well, and the only view change I made in Outlook
after installing it was to have the newest emails at the bottom which I
prefer. I also found that disabling the reading of tables works
better for
me in emails, as the body of some emails comes up as tables and I
don't want
to hear row and column numbers all the time while reading the text:
that's
my choice, though, and you may feel differently about that.
I hope other people can answer your other questions!
Bye for now!
From Clare


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Philip
Anderson via Groups.Io
Sent: mercredi 1 novembre 2017 01:05
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA, MS Office 2007 & Google Chrome


Hi All




I am new to this group and wish to thank you for kindly accepting my
membership. I am very much looking forward to meeting you and hearing
your
NVDA experiences.


I am really enjoying using NVDA. It is a fabulous alternative to JAWS.
However, I have a few questions and wondered if you can help.


Please forgive me in advance if I have included two many questions in
one
email. I'm thinking most of them might simply be a case of settings;
he says
holding his breath... J


Please advise if you would rather I created a separate thread for each
question. Here goes...
Operating System: Windows 7 Home
MS Office 2007


Q1. Are there any NVDA add ons for MS Office 2007?


I have searched, but cannot seem to find any.


In addition, what's the best configuration settings for viewing MS
office
2007 Outlook messages in table view, only I am finding response time
terribly slow and crashes and programme closures frequent?
I have tried enabling 'tables' in 'settings' and selecting anything else
seemingly likely to resolve the problem, but without joy.


Furthermore, I am presently encountering problems sending and
replying to
messages. I am having to launch the 'new message or 'reply' options
twice
before I can write anything that NVDA will read back to me in all edit
fields from 'address, subject and body.'


* Attempt 1 merely keeps saying 'blank' whenever I type into the fields,
then freezes and I am forced to exit and try again.


* Works perfectly second time round.


NVDA, Google Chrome & Ebay


Q3. Similarly, I am experiencing one or two issues revising my Ebay
listings. While I am able to edit 'Product Title' and 'General Item
Specifics', there seems to be compatibility issues when it comes to
updating
'Price' & 'Quantities' in listings with multiple variations when
'drag and
drop' is required. What do you recommend?


Q4. In Paypal, while I can generally find work arounds for most things,
accessing the buttons in 'packing slips' is a problem.


A Packing slip is a consignment note businesses can print off and
include in
with their products they are sending out to their customers.
To access 'Packing Slips':
* first select 'Summary'
* arrow down to payments received
* select recipient and press enter
* search for 'print packing slip' and press enter.


Here you should see three buttons:


* Button 1 allows you to 'print the slip
* button 2, edit your personalised customer message
& * button 3, Done.


NVDA recognises and echos the associated text for these buttons, but
simply
refuses to display them as clickable options.


Finally...
Q5. What possibly could be the underlining reason why NVDA's general key
stroke options  keeps malfunctioning on my machine, leaving me with
delayed
speech recognition and no means of restarting the programme using the
standard shortcut option other than a 'hard system boot?'


Thank you in anticipation for your help in this regard.


Cordially


Philip









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Re: down pot player

Marten Post Uiterweer
 

Zahra,

I am using Pot player now for a few months and I like it.
The only thing I don't like is that when it starts a song, the volume is
automaticly highered. Feeded is the name I thought.
Volume in the beginning of a song goes from low to high.

Do you know how tu turn this off? I cannot find it.

Marten

On Wed, 1 Nov 2017 23:34:04 +0430 "zahra" <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com> wrote:

hello.
i always use it and its completely accessible.
God bless you!

On 11/1/17, Bobby Vinton <vinton.bobby5277@gmail.com> wrote:
Hay I was wondering if any one uses pot player and if so how good is it.

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Re: This is what my version says

Tony Ballou
 

Hi Sakina,


Go to the Microsoft software download website

 

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10


you can download the upgrade assistant and update your system from there.

Tony

On 11/1/2017 1:10 PM, Sakina wrote:

Dear Gene and All,

Please can you kindly check for me if my window ten is up to date or do I need to do anything else  for I do not know where else to ask.

It says like this when I checked

Window ten

Microsoft Window version 1703

Os build 15063.674

C o 1017 Microsoft corporation all rights reserved.

 

Thank you  all very much and if I do need to do anything , than please any help, support and advise will be greately appreciated. For I do not want to loose out on any forth coming updates

Thanking you all once again

Sakina