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Re: reordering columns in Thunderbird

Jacob Kruger
 

I just tested it in a portable version of Thunderbird 78.6, as well as here in Thunderbird 60.0, and, both worked fine?


But, don't have newer versions of thunderbird installed directly, so, yes, could cause hassles there?


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"...resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2021-01-19 11:45 AM, Sam Taylor via groups.io wrote:

Unfortunately this doesn't appear to work with newer Thunderbird versions. The key definition is still assigned but the action no longer works.

This is also the case with the latest compiled addon from GitHub.

On 19/01/2021 5:32 pm, Jacob Kruger wrote:

Charlotte, using the mozilla NVDA add-on, this is quite easy - NVDA key + H while in message list brings up the dialogue to reorder columns.


https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/mozillaScripts.en.html


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"...resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2021-01-16 09:50 PM, Charlotte wrote:
Hello everyone. I just got a new laptop and my columns in Thunderbird are wonky again. The subject is first. Wondering how to reorder them so it is from, date, subject, in that order. Any help is appreciated. Thanks.

Charlotte








Re: reordering columns in Thunderbird

Sam Taylor
 

Unfortunately this doesn't appear to work with newer Thunderbird versions. The key definition is still assigned but the action no longer works.

This is also the case with the latest compiled addon from GitHub.

On 19/01/2021 5:32 pm, Jacob Kruger wrote:

Charlotte, using the mozilla NVDA add-on, this is quite easy - NVDA key + H while in message list brings up the dialogue to reorder columns.


https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/mozillaScripts.en.html


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"...resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2021-01-16 09:50 PM, Charlotte wrote:
Hello everyone. I just got a new laptop and my columns in Thunderbird are wonky again. The subject is first. Wondering how to reorder them so it is from, date, subject, in that order. Any help is appreciated. Thanks.

Charlotte








Re: reordering columns in Thunderbird

Jacob Kruger
 

Charlotte, using the mozilla NVDA add-on, this is quite easy - NVDA key + H while in message list brings up the dialogue to reorder columns.


https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/mozillaScripts.en.html


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"...resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2021-01-16 09:50 PM, Charlotte wrote:
Hello everyone. I just got a new laptop and my columns in Thunderbird are wonky again. The subject is first. Wondering how to reorder them so it is from, date, subject, in that order. Any help is appreciated. Thanks.

Charlotte








reordering columns in Thunderbird

Charlotte
 

Hello everyone. I just got a new laptop and my columns in Thunderbird are wonky again. The subject is first. Wondering how to reorder them so it is from, date, subject, in that order. Any help is appreciated. Thanks.

Charlotte


Re: What is the best password manager to use with NVDA

Pranav Lal
 

John,

Keypass 2 is the best one if you want a non-cloud password manager.

I am told if you want a cloud based one, then one pass is accessible.

Pranav


Re: Using tracking changes in Word and NVDA

Quentin Christensen
 

Janet,

I'm so sorry, yes of course it is control+shift+e.  I'm not sure what I was thinking when I wrote the first reply!

Track changes only monitors changes made while the feature is active.  If track changes was on when a change was made, NVDA will read it as you navigate.  If there are changes not being reported, it is likely that track changes was not enabled when that change was made

So, if I have a document with "Hello Fred" in it, if I turn on track changes, delete "Hello" and type "Goodbye".  As I read that line, NVDA will read "Deleted Hello, Inserted Goodbye, Not inserted Fred".

If I turn off track changes, then delete Fred and type Jane, NVDA will read: "Deleted Hello, Inserted Goodbye, Not inserted Jane".

Also if you "accept" or "reject" any changes, the text will either be changed or reverted, and either way will no longer appear as a change.

If you can give me an example where you have Track changes on, Word is recording the change and NVDA is not reporting it, I'd be interested to investigate.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 11:35 AM Janet Brandly <jbrandly@...> wrote:

Hello again Quinten,

 

It seems that the hot key for turning on/off tracking changes in Word is not control-shift-R but rather control-shift-e. I had to get sighted help to find this out. It looks like I am going to have to get significant sighted help to complete this project as NVDA is not always reliable about reading whether or not things have been deleted or changed.

 

Janet

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Janet Brandly
Sent: January 12, 2021 6:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using tracking changes in Word and NVDA

 

Hello Quinten,

 

Thank you for answering my question. The information you provided should be enough to get me started. If I end up using this feature more often than just for this assignment, ,I will definitely consider purchasing the training module you linked to below.

 

Best,

 

Janet

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: January 12, 2021 6:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using tracking changes in Word and NVDA

 

Hi Janet,

 

Press control+shift+r to turn track changes on or off.  While on, any change you make to the document is recorded and can be approved or rejected later.

 

With NVDA in browse mode (NVDA+spacebar) you can jump between tracked changes as annotations (a or shift+a).  You can then use the context menu to accept or reject individual changes.

 

For more detail on using track changes, You might be interested in the Microsoft Word with NVDA training module, which has several topics with step by step instructions on turning the feature on and off, navigating between changes and accepting and rejecting changes: https://www.nvaccess.org/product/microsoft-word-training-for-nvda-ebook/

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 11:11 AM Janet Brandly <jbrandly@...> wrote:

Hello all,

 

I am doing a course assignment which involves editing documents produced by speech recognition software. I am to use tracking changes in Word to show changes I have made. Would someone out there be able to talk me through how to use tracking changes in Word with the latest stable version of NVDA and Windows ten?

 

Thanks,

 

Janet


 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Re: What is the best password manager to use with NVDA

Carlos Esteban Martínez Macías
 

Hi all.
I use Last Pass. With NVDA is confortable, and well, if you can the passwork manager also in other devices, in Android in my case is also accessible. I can a good experience with the extension for the browsers in Windows and the website.
Regards.

--

Músico (pianista) y ayuda a usuarios ciegos y con discapacidad visual en el uso de lectores de pantalla y tecnología. Experto certificado en el lector de pantalla NVDA.

Musician (pianist) and help to the blind people and with visual disability in use of screen readers and technology. Certified expert in the screen reader NVDA.


Re: Using tracking changes in Word and NVDA

Janet Brandly
 

Hello again Quinten,

 

It seems that the hot key for turning on/off tracking changes in Word is not control-shift-R but rather control-shift-e. I had to get sighted help to find this out. It looks like I am going to have to get significant sighted help to complete this project as NVDA is not always reliable about reading whether or not things have been deleted or changed.

 

Janet

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Janet Brandly
Sent: January 12, 2021 6:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using tracking changes in Word and NVDA

 

Hello Quinten,

 

Thank you for answering my question. The information you provided should be enough to get me started. If I end up using this feature more often than just for this assignment, ,I will definitely consider purchasing the training module you linked to below.

 

Best,

 

Janet

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: January 12, 2021 6:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using tracking changes in Word and NVDA

 

Hi Janet,

 

Press control+shift+r to turn track changes on or off.  While on, any change you make to the document is recorded and can be approved or rejected later.

 

With NVDA in browse mode (NVDA+spacebar) you can jump between tracked changes as annotations (a or shift+a).  You can then use the context menu to accept or reject individual changes.

 

For more detail on using track changes, You might be interested in the Microsoft Word with NVDA training module, which has several topics with step by step instructions on turning the feature on and off, navigating between changes and accepting and rejecting changes: https://www.nvaccess.org/product/microsoft-word-training-for-nvda-ebook/

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 11:11 AM Janet Brandly <jbrandly@...> wrote:

Hello all,

 

I am doing a course assignment which involves editing documents produced by speech recognition software. I am to use tracking changes in Word to show changes I have made. Would someone out there be able to talk me through how to use tracking changes in Word with the latest stable version of NVDA and Windows ten?

 

Thanks,

 

Janet


 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 


Re: exporting NVDA user preferences

Gene
 

You can install as many add-ons as you wish. When you run the portable version of NVDA, you have an option to create an installed version. In the tools submenu there is an item to install NVDA. The dialog that comes up has a number of check boxes. One of them says, Copy portable configuration to current user account.

You can save everything by making a portable copy, running the portable copy on the other machine, then creating an installed copy from the portable copy.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Venkatesh Potluri
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2021 5:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] exporting NVDA user preferences



Hi list,



Would it be possible for me to export my NVDA configurations (voice settings, addons, etc.) and use these on another machine which has NVDA installed? The machines in question are remote VMs and may be reset at frequent instances so I would like to avoid me, and other potential users having to re-configure NVDA. I notice that creating a portable copy of NVDA is an option, but I have a few questions regarding that.

1. <!--[endif]-->Can I install additional addons in the portable copy of NVDA?

2. <!--[endif]-->Can I override the NVDA installed on the machine with my portable copy?



Are there better ways to port my NVDA configuration on my local machine to other machines?



Any suggestions would be of great help.



Best regards,

Venkatesh Potluri

PhD Student, University of Washington

https://venkateshpotluri.me


exporting NVDA user preferences

Venkatesh Potluri
 

Hi list,

 

Would it be possible for me to export my NVDA configurations (voice settings, addons, etc.) and use these on another machine which has NVDA installed? The machines in question are remote VMs and may be reset at frequent instances so I would like to avoid me, and other potential users having to re-configure NVDA. I notice that creating a portable copy of NVDA is an option, but I have a few questions regarding that.

1.       Can I install additional addons in the portable copy of NVDA?

2.       Can I override the NVDA installed on the machine with my portable copy?

 

Are there better ways to port my NVDA configuration on my local machine to other machines?

 

Any suggestions would be of great help.

 

Best regards,

Venkatesh Potluri

PhD Student, University of Washington

https://venkateshpotluri.me

 


Re: Excel 2016: Formulas

Quentin Christensen
 

There was a period where the "Allow editing in cells" setting was very important, but that should have been fixed long ago (and even when it was problematic, it simply wouldn't read the formula, it didn't hang or crash).

Have you got any add-ons installed?  If you press NVDA+Q then down arrow to "Restart with add-ons disabled" does it make a difference?

Could you get me a copy of your NVDA log to have a look at please, ideally at debug level?
Please send it attached to an email to info@....  Include a description of what you have done and what isn't working as it should (so I know what it's about in case I don't get to investigate today).

First of all, your NVDA key is either INSERT or CAPS LOCK, depending on how you have NVDA setup.  So, to set your log level:
1) Press NVDA+control+g to open the general settings
2) Press TAB until the focus is on 'Log level'
3) Press DOWN ARROW to get to 'Debug'
4) Press ENTER to close settings
5) Press NVDA+control+c to save settings.

To restart NVDA with add-ons disabled:
1) Press NVDA+Q
2) Down arrow to 'Restart with add-ons disabled'
3) Press ENTER

Next, recreate the issue - do whatever causes problems.

To get NVDA's log after that, there are several ways:

If NVDA is still running and usable:
1) Press NVDA+F1 to open the log viewer
2) Press CONTROL+A to select all.
3) Press CONTROL+C to copy.
4) Open your email and start a message to info@..., type a little about what you have done and what has happened in the body of the message, then leave a space and:
5) Press CONTROL+V to paste the copied log.

Instead of using the log viewer, or if NVDA has stopped and you needed to restart it or the computer:
1) Press WINDOWS+R to open Windows' Run dialog
2) Type %temp% and press ENTER (that's the percent sign, the letter t e m p and another percent sign).  Windows Explorer should open to the temporary folder.
3) Press TAB to move to the file list
4) Press N and move down to find up to three files:  nvda.log (the log file for the current or most recent NVDA session), nvda-old.log (the log from the previous session) and nvda-crash.dmp (a crash dump with more information created if NVDA itself crashes).
5) Depending on what email program you use, the steps will be different, but attach as many of those three files to an email to info@... as will be useful, and again in the body of the message describe a bit about what has happened.


On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 1:50 AM Louis Maher <ljmaher03@...> wrote:
Hello Pele,

Is it possible to use Office 365 for $99 a year?

I do not have any further information.


Regards
Louis Maher
Phone: 713-444-7838
E-mail ljmaher03@...

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pele West
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2021 3:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Excel 2016: Formulas

Hi Louise

Thank you for suggesting unchecking the "allow editing directly in cells". Unfortunately, it is already unchecked.

Is there anything I can trying changing in NVDA?

Pele













--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Re: beta 3 and closing programs

Dave Grossoehme
 

Good Afternoon:  If Thunder Bird has been running and you press the alt + f4 and this silenece.  Then Press the Alt + t to see what is running and you hear Thunder Bird, then press the application key and arrow down to refresh in windows 10.  Then press the alt + f4 to close it out.  The other answer is yes there can be applications running in the background and they won't be shown on the taskbar.  It is like the old answer of don't assume anything in windows.  It's like they are hidden from the screen readers of the taskbar.

Dave

On 1/13/2021 2:52 PM, Gene wrote:
I don't know if a program can still have processes running in the background and not show up in the task manager list of running programs.  But if you look in the processes part of the dialog and don't show the process for Thunderbird, as far as I know it isn't running.  I don't know what you are describing in terms of where you use the appliccations key and where you use the refresh command.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Dave Grossoehme
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2021 3:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] beta 3 and closing programs



Good Afternoon:  It's possible that something is running in the background after closing Thunder Bird by all means.  I have closed Thunder Bird and it doesn't respond as being completely closed. If I press the application key, and go down to refresh, and press enter, then it's closed.  However, until it is refreshed, it just sits there.  It doesn't happen everytime.

Dave




On 1/9/2021 9:03 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
I won't say that NVDA is not at play here, because it could be, but ALT+F4 is not an NVDA command, and not tied to NVDA in any way.  It's a Windows command that the program window with focus when it's issued responds to.  If Thunderbird continues to be "hanging about" with something running in the background, probabilities are that it's not NVDA causing this.

I have asked on a tech geek group specifically for professional techs I haunt whether there is a handy PowerShell and/or Command Prompt command or pipe sequence that would allow someone to zero in on whether a process or cluster of processes of a given name are running.  It is my understanding that both Task Manager and Process Monitor are, while not strictly speaking inaccessible, not exactly anywhere near to easy to use with a screen reader.


Re: searching in Thunderbird email app

 

I can, and will, get into this on the Chat Subgroup if you open a new topic there and, as part of that, describe what you want to be seeing after you do a search (in general terms).

I suspect that you're wanting a list of messages just like you'd have in your inbox, but limited to those that match the search.  In which case, you'd need to activate the Show results as list control on the initial results page.  You may also wish to switch the sort by from relevance (default) to date before doing so, if you're interested in date sorted message order.

That's all I'll say here, as none of this is directly related to NVDA but to Thunderbird.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Some topic in the main group indicate that they're from chat

 

Group Owner mail is not sent other than by using the Owner e-mail address:  nvda+owner@nvda.groups.io

I'd need examples, as I can't find any instances in the archive of anything recent.

The following addresses are those most commonly used to interact with the NVDA Main Group:

 

To join:  nvda+subscribe@nvda.groups.io

To post:  nvda@nvda.groups.io

To unsubscribe:  nvda+unsubscribe@nvda.groups.io

To receive a message containing the group description, and a list of these commands:  nvda+help@nvda.groups.io

To stop receiving messages via email (you may still read messages on the Web):  nvda+nomail@nvda.groups.io

This can also be used to put a vacation stop on group messages, then use one of the subsequently noted addresses to resume delivery in the format of your choice.

To receive each group message individually: nvda+single@nvda.groups.io

This is the default delivery unless you send a message to one of the addresses that follows.

To receive group messages in an HTML formatted digests:  nvda+fulldigest@nvda.groups.io

To receive group messages in a plain text digest:  nvda+digest@nvda.groups.io

To receive a daily summary instead of individual messages:  nvda+summary@nvda,groups.io

To receive only special messages:  nvda+special@nvda.groups.io

To contact the group owner(s):  nvda+owner@nvda.groups.io

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Saving the location of a button on a particular webpage

Tony Malykh
 

Try BrowserNav add-on. One of the features is BrowserMarks - you can specify any text, in particular, the text of the button you're interested in. Then you can jump to that button by pressing J or Shift+J.

HTH

--Tony


On 1/18/2021 12:37 AM, Akshaya Choudhary wrote:
Hello everyone,

Is there a way to save  or bookmark the location of a particular button on a webpage, like bookmarking the present now button in google meet?

--
Regards,
Sociohack


Re: Saving the location of a button on a particular webpage

Akshaya Choudhary
 

Oh yes! Let me try it out.
--
Regards,
Sociohack


Re: searching in Thunderbird email app

Gene
 

When you open search, the defaultis to search subject. You can tab to a combo box where you change what field will be searched in. Tab further to an edit field where you type what you want to search for, then press enter.

I haven't played with search enough to see how to search more than one field at once. I would think you can, but I don't know how it is done. I suspect you are working in the wrong fields.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Beaver
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2021 12:55 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] searching in Thunderbird email app



Well, it does act differently but it still gives me the whole email list and not just the results list. I am obviously doing something wrong. I guess I'll just go back to doing my searches via the GMail web interface.




Thanks Gene,




Dan Beaver


On 1/18/2021 1:31 PM, Dan Beaver via groups.io wrote:


Well, I have been using the search field that is on the screen. I hadn't tried using the ctrl+f keystroke. When I use the search field then try to tab to the list I get the full list of emails not the search results.




I will try the ctrl+f keystroke and see if that behaves differently.




Dan Beaver


On 1/18/2021 1:16 PM, Gene wrote:
How are you searching? If you are using control shift f to open search and searching in that way, once you have done the search and the search is finished, tab twice to the list.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Dan Beaver
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2021 12:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] searching in Thunderbird email app



How do you search for emails in TB? I have tried many times but I can never figure out how to look at a list of the resulting emails. I am assuming it is something special I have to do using NVDA but I could be very wrong about this.





Any help would very much be appreciated.







-- Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)







-- Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)-- Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)


Some topic in the main group indicate that they're from chat

Louise Pfau
 

Hi.  It looks like I've received a couple of messages from this group that indicate that they're from the chat subgroup, because the word [chat] also appears in the subject line.  I'm not sure of the titles off the top of my head.  I am not subscribed to the chat subgroup, so I don't get messages from it.  I'm not certain who I should've contacted about this issue, but when you post a new topic on the web interface, it goes to the entire group.  I couldn't find a button to send it to the group owner.  I use the web interface rather than posting through E-mail.

Thanks,

Louise


Re: searching in Thunderbird email app

Dan Beaver
 

Well, it does act differently but it still gives me the whole email list and not just the results list.  I am obviously doing something wrong.  I guess I'll just go back to doing my searches via the GMail web interface.


Thanks Gene,


Dan Beaver

On 1/18/2021 1:31 PM, Dan Beaver via groups.io wrote:

Well, I have been using the search field that is on the screen.  I hadn't tried using the ctrl+f keystroke.  When I use the search field then try to tab to the list I get the full list of emails not the search results.


I will try the ctrl+f keystroke and see if that behaves differently.


Dan Beaver

On 1/18/2021 1:16 PM, Gene wrote:
How are you searching?  If you are using control shift f to open search and searching in that way, once you have done the search and the search is finished, tab twice to the list.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Dan Beaver
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2021 12:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] searching in Thunderbird email app



How do you search for emails in TB?  I have tried many times but I can never figure out how to look at a list of the resulting emails.   I am assuming it is something special I have to do using NVDA but I could be very wrong about this.





Any help would very much be appreciated.







-- Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)







-- 
Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)
-- 
Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)


Re: searching in Thunderbird email app

Dan Beaver
 

Well, I have been using the search field that is on the screen.  I hadn't tried using the ctrl+f keystroke.  When I use the search field then try to tab to the list I get the full list of emails not the search results.


I will try the ctrl+f keystroke and see if that behaves differently.


Dan Beaver

On 1/18/2021 1:16 PM, Gene wrote:
How are you searching?  If you are using control shift f to open search and searching in that way, once you have done the search and the search is finished, tab twice to the list.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Dan Beaver
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2021 12:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] searching in Thunderbird email app



How do you search for emails in TB?  I have tried many times but I can never figure out how to look at a list of the resulting emails.   I am assuming it is something special I have to do using NVDA but I could be very wrong about this.





Any help would very much be appreciated.







-- Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)







-- 
Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)

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