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Re: Using Thunderbird filters

Antony Stone
 

The same way you found them when you worked out what to look for in the filter
rules?

If you don't know how to find the headers, how did you create the filter rule?


Antony.

On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:27:32, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

How do I find the headers?

On 10/26/2017 1:24 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
I can only repeat my request:

Can you show us an example of the header taken from one of the emails
which does get filtered, and an example taken from one of the emails
which does not get filtered?


Antony.

On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:21:43, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
I have no problem so-far with the messages from the NVDA list but some
of the messages form the audioourplace aren't being filtered.

On 10/26/2017 1:19 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
So, I understand that to mean that you have a rule defined to match
some header which contains "isaudioourplace", and some emails which
you expect to have that header are being filtered, and other emails
which you expect to have that header are not being filtered.

Can you show us an example of the header taken from one of the emails
which does get filtered, and an example taken from one of the emails
which does not get filtered?


Antony.

On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:16:32, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, Anthony,


Some of the messages aren't getting filtered according to how they're
supposed to be matched. I don't know how much clearer I can be. The
header isaudioourplace.

On 10/26/2017 1:10 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
Can you give us an example of an email which did not get filtered,
along with the rule which you expected to filter it?

We don't need to see the full email - we only need to see whichever
part the filter was supposed to act on.

Is there any pattern to which ones work and which ones don't - such
as the rules at the top of the list work, and the ones at the end
don't, etc?

Also, just to be clear, are you saying the some of your rules are
never filtering any emails they're supposed to filter, so they do
nothing, or are you saying that some emails get filtered by the rule
they're supposd to match and other emails do not get filtered by the
same rule?


Antony.

On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:02:47, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Only some of them got filtered.

On 10/26/2017 12:44 PM, John Isige wrote:
Question: Did all messages stop getting filtered, or only some of
them? Again, if some messages are filtered and some are not, I'd
check the headers of a filtered message and an unfiltered one to
see if there are any differences. I see you use the to: field. If
somebody replies to a person and has the list address in the cc:
field, then obviously it won't get filtered. These are the kinds
of things to start checking for. If you have a case like that, you
might need to set up two or three rules for the list to make sure
every message gets filtered and moved to its folder.

On 10/26/2017 12:46, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, Gene,

Here are the steps I took to create the rules. I'll use the music
list I'm on as an example.

1. I went to tools with alt T and hit f for message filters.

2. I tabbed to the new button and hit the space bar on it.

3. I typed the name for my rule. It's called audioourplace. That's
the music list I'm on.

4. I unchecked the box that says "manually check for new messages"
or something like that.

5. Next, I tabbed to the box that says "match all of the
following" and then tabbed to the combo box and chose the "to"
field.

6. I tabbed to the box for "contains". Then I tabbed to an edit
box and typed audioourplace@googlegroups.com
<mailto:audioourplace@googlegroups.com>.

7. I tabbed to where you choose a folder. I chose the folder for
the music list and hit enter on it.

8. I tabbed to the ok button and hit the space bar on it.

9. When I was taken back to the screen where you'd create a new
rule, I tabbed to the run now button and hit enter on it. The
filter did work for awhile but then I got new messages from that
list in my inbox so I don't know where the problem could be.

I hope these steps explain better what I was trying to do.

Rosemarie

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf
Of *Gene
*Sent:* Thursday, October 26, 2017 3:25 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

Then the question is, what is wrong with the rules that don't
work? Are you sure all the lists have what you tell the rule to
look for where you tell it to look? Are you sure the spelling is
exactly correct for every item you are using? I'm not sure what
else might account for some of the rules not working.

It might be that if you wrote out every step for a rule that
doesn't work, that someone will be able to find the error. That
is tedious but it may work. It might be much faster and more
likely to find the error to work with someone.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

*From:*Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@gmail.com>

*Sent:*Thursday, October 26, 2017 12:36 AM

*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:*Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

I created rules for all the lists that I'm on.

On 10/25/2017 5:12 PM, Gene wrote:
What do you mean some other messages from other lists. If
your rule only applies to messages with one list name, then
no other messages will be affected. You need to make a
separate rule for every list.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

*From:*Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@gmail.com>

*Sent:*Wednesday, October 25, 2017 6:09 PM

*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:*Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

Hi, Robert,

I already did all that. Some other messages from the other
lists are still going into the inbox. I don't know what
else to do.

Rosemarie

On 10/25/2017 4:07 PM, Robert Mendoza wrote:
subject line is intended to change to avoid confusion
of the thread. About your concern for filtering
particular message into your inbox in Thunderbird. you
have to make sure that your focus is located to the
message that is not open yet, then tab several times
till the focus is directed in the recipient column.
Right click then select Create Filter From. The rest
of the filters process is the same as mentioned below
by John. Also, make sure you uncheck the filter by
manually so that it will run automatically into your
corresponding filtered of your choice.

Robert Mendoza

On 10/26/2017 6:36 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, John,


Let's say you want to run a filter on a message
that comes into the inbox. I've pretty muchcreated
the filters but there are messages till coming
into the inbox from other lists. How do you run a
filter on a message?


Thanks.


Rosemarie

On 10/25/2017 3:03 PM, John Isige wrote:
1. Go to the tools menu, pick message filters.


2. Tab to the new button.


3. Fill in whatever rules you want, e.g. from
in the combo box, tell it to match nvda.


4. For the next two combo boxes, it will
probably be easiest to hit alt-down arrow and
expand them. Just pick whatever you like, I
move mine to a folder called nvda that I made.


5. To make a folder, just pick folder from the
new menu in the file menu, do that before you
do a filter if you want to move stuff, because
the folder has to exist for you to pick it. If
you want the folder in the main account, i.e.
another folder like inbox, before you make the
folder, highlight your account name with the
arrows. If you want everything under your
inbox, so you have to hit right arrow to
expand folders, highlight your inbox. The
difference is that if you highlight the
account, you can down arrow, so you'll get
inbox, your folder, sent, trash, whatever. If
you do it highlighting the inbox, inbox
usually starts collapsed and you have to hit
right arrow to expand it, then you hit down
arrow to get to those folders, you'll go
through whatever you made, then you'll get
back to sent, trash, whatever.


If that's confusing somehow, feel free to ask
questions.

On 10/25/2017 13:26, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, John,


How do you create filters in thunderbird or
do you just delete them after reading or
replying to them? Outlook is ok but It's a
bit clunky.


Rosemarie

On 10/25/2017 10:02 AM, John Isige wrote:
Microsoft's various mail programs have
always been weird though. I used to use
Outlook, the one that came in Office.
Then I had to upgrade or migrate
machines or whatever. So I exported
mail and everything just like you're
supposed to. Got everything installed,
imported into the new Outlook.
Suddenly none of my filtering rules to
send messages to specific folders
would work. So I literally deleted
them all and recreated them from
scratch, and they still wouldn't work.
That's when I switched to Thunderbird
and I've been using it ever since.


Re: Using Thunderbird filters

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

How do I find the headers?

On 10/26/2017 1:24 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
I can only repeat my request:

Can you show us an example of the header taken from one of the emails which
does get filtered, and an example taken from one of the emails which does not
get filtered?


Antony.

On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:21:43, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

I have no problem so-far with the messages from the NVDA list but some
of the messages form the audioourplace aren't being filtered.

On 10/26/2017 1:19 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
So, I understand that to mean that you have a rule defined to match some
header which contains "isaudioourplace", and some emails which you
expect to have that header are being filtered, and other emails which
you expect to have that header are not being filtered.

Can you show us an example of the header taken from one of the emails
which does get filtered, and an example taken from one of the emails
which does not get filtered?


Antony.

On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:16:32, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, Anthony,


Some of the messages aren't getting filtered according to how they're
supposed to be matched. I don't know how much clearer I can be. The
header isaudioourplace.

On 10/26/2017 1:10 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
Can you give us an example of an email which did not get filtered,
along with the rule which you expected to filter it?

We don't need to see the full email - we only need to see whichever
part the filter was supposed to act on.

Is there any pattern to which ones work and which ones don't - such as
the rules at the top of the list work, and the ones at the end don't,
etc?

Also, just to be clear, are you saying the some of your rules are never
filtering any emails they're supposed to filter, so they do nothing, or
are you saying that some emails get filtered by the rule they're
supposd to match and other emails do not get filtered by the same
rule?


Antony.

On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:02:47, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Only some of them got filtered.

On 10/26/2017 12:44 PM, John Isige wrote:
Question: Did all messages stop getting filtered, or only some of
them? Again, if some messages are filtered and some are not, I'd
check the headers of a filtered message and an unfiltered one to see
if there are any differences. I see you use the to: field. If
somebody replies to a person and has the list address in the cc:
field, then obviously it won't get filtered. These are the kinds of
things to start checking for. If you have a case like that, you
might need to set up two or three rules for the list to make sure
every message gets filtered and moved to its folder.

On 10/26/2017 12:46, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, Gene,

Here are the steps I took to create the rules. I'll use the music
list I'm on as an example.

1. I went to tools with alt T and hit f for message filters.

2. I tabbed to the new button and hit the space bar on it.

3. I typed the name for my rule. It's called audioourplace. That's
the music list I'm on.

4. I unchecked the box that says "manually check for new messages"
or something like that.

5. Next, I tabbed to the box that says "match all of the following"
and then tabbed to the combo box and chose the "to" field.

6. I tabbed to the box for "contains". Then I tabbed to an edit box
and typed audioourplace@googlegroups.com
<mailto:audioourplace@googlegroups.com>.

7. I tabbed to where you choose a folder. I chose the folder for the
music list and hit enter on it.

8. I tabbed to the ok button and hit the space bar on it.

9. When I was taken back to the screen where you'd create a new
rule, I tabbed to the run now button and hit enter on it. The
filter did work for awhile but then I got new messages from that
list in my inbox so I don't know where the problem could be.

I hope these steps explain better what I was trying to do.

Rosemarie

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf
Of *Gene
*Sent:* Thursday, October 26, 2017 3:25 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

Then the question is, what is wrong with the rules that don't work?
Are you sure all the lists have what you tell the rule to look for
where you tell it to look? Are you sure the spelling is exactly
correct for every item you are using? I'm not sure what else might
account for some of the rules not working.

It might be that if you wrote out every step for a rule that doesn't
work, that someone will be able to find the error. That is tedious
but it may work. It might be much faster and more likely to find
the error to work with someone.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

*From:*Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@gmail.com>

*Sent:*Thursday, October 26, 2017 12:36 AM

*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:*Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

I created rules for all the lists that I'm on.

On 10/25/2017 5:12 PM, Gene wrote:
What do you mean some other messages from other lists. If
your rule only applies to messages with one list name, then
no other messages will be affected. You need to make a
separate rule for every list.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:*Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@gmail.com>
*Sent:*Wednesday, October 25, 2017 6:09 PM
*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:*Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters
Hi, Robert,
I already did all that. Some other messages from the other
lists are still going into the inbox. I don't know what else
to do.
Rosemarie
On 10/25/2017 4:07 PM, Robert Mendoza wrote:
subject line is intended to change to avoid confusion of
the thread. About your concern for filtering particular
message into your inbox in Thunderbird. you have to make
sure that your focus is located to the message that is
not open yet, then tab several times till the focus is
directed in the recipient column. Right click then select
Create Filter From. The rest of the filters process is
the same as mentioned below by John. Also, make sure you
uncheck the filter by manually so that it will run
automatically into your corresponding filtered of your
choice.
Robert Mendoza
On 10/26/2017 6:36 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, John,
Let's say you want to run a filter on a message that
comes into the inbox. I've pretty muchcreated the
filters but there are messages till coming into the
inbox from other lists. How do you run a filter on a
message?
Thanks.
Rosemarie
On 10/25/2017 3:03 PM, John Isige wrote:
1. Go to the tools menu, pick message filters.
2. Tab to the new button.
3. Fill in whatever rules you want, e.g. from in
the combo box, tell it to match nvda.
4. For the next two combo boxes, it will probably
be easiest to hit alt-down arrow and expand them.
Just pick whatever you like, I move mine to a
folder called nvda that I made.
5. To make a folder, just pick folder from the new
menu in the file menu, do that before you do a
filter if you want to move stuff, because the
folder has to exist for you to pick it. If you
want the folder in the main account, i.e. another
folder like inbox, before you make the folder,
highlight your account name with the arrows. If
you want everything under your inbox, so you have
to hit right arrow to expand folders, highlight
your inbox. The difference is that if you
highlight the account, you can down arrow, so
you'll get inbox, your folder, sent, trash,
whatever. If you do it highlighting the inbox,
inbox usually starts collapsed and you have to
hit right arrow to expand it, then you hit down
arrow to get to those folders, you'll go through
whatever you made, then you'll get back to sent,
trash, whatever.
If that's confusing somehow, feel free to ask
questions.
On 10/25/2017 13:26, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, John,
How do you create filters in thunderbird or do
you just delete them after reading or replying
to them? Outlook is ok but It's a bit clunky.
Rosemarie
On 10/25/2017 10:02 AM, John Isige wrote:
Microsoft's various mail programs have
always been weird though. I used to use
Outlook, the one that came in Office.
Then I had to upgrade or migrate machines
or whatever. So I exported mail and
everything just like you're supposed to.
Got everything installed, imported into
the new Outlook. Suddenly none of my
filtering rules to send messages to
specific folders would work. So I
literally deleted them all and recreated
them from scratch, and they still
wouldn't work. That's when I switched to
Thunderbird and I've been using it ever
since.


Re: Code Factory Voices Does Not Remained Installed After Being Registered Several Times

Sarah k Alawami
 

Have you guys contacted the  company and tell them what's going on? If you have what has their response ben?

On Oct 25, 2017, at 9:46 PM, Andy <wq6r@...> wrote:

This has happened to me as well. I am concerned that I will run out of installations.

Andy

----- Original Message ----- From: "James Robinson" <jardatalearningcenter@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 9:16 PM
Subject: [nvda] Code Factory Voices Does Not Remained Installed After Being Registered Several Times


Hello!

I purchased, installed, and registered the CodeFactory Eloquence and
Vocalizer voices into NVDA and, during the times I remain on my PC, the
voices are active and working.  However, after I turn off my computer and
turn it back on again, when I load NVDA, the voices are no longer there and
the system asks me to register them again; I have done this three or four
times; what is going on!

James Robinson  re






Re: heading level spoken

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


You can also set up a profile so it works say in word but not in your browsers etc Except it would be 3 profiles.


I like the idea of them as i turn off tables when on the net but use them else where.


Same sort of idea.


Gene nz



On 10/27/2017 9:11 AM, Gary Metzler wrote:
Hi Gene,
 
Thank you that worked like a charm.
 
From: Gene New Zealand
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 5:54 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] heading level spoken
 

Hi

 

under the document formatting section in NVDA uncheck the reporting of headings in it.

 

Save your settings to take effect if that is what you want.

 

Gene nz

 


On 10/26/2017 10:46 PM, Gary Metzler wrote:
Hi All,
 
I am using the latest windows and nvda.  For some reason I am hearing the words heading level when I go to some lines.  What setting do I need to change to stop this from happening?  Thanks for any help.Regards, Gary kn4ox

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Re: Using Thunderbird filters

Antony Stone
 

I can only repeat my request:

Can you show us an example of the header taken from one of the emails which
does get filtered, and an example taken from one of the emails which does not
get filtered?


Antony.

On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:21:43, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

I have no problem so-far with the messages from the NVDA list but some
of the messages form the audioourplace aren't being filtered.

On 10/26/2017 1:19 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
So, I understand that to mean that you have a rule defined to match some
header which contains "isaudioourplace", and some emails which you
expect to have that header are being filtered, and other emails which
you expect to have that header are not being filtered.

Can you show us an example of the header taken from one of the emails
which does get filtered, and an example taken from one of the emails
which does not get filtered?


Antony.

On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:16:32, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, Anthony,


Some of the messages aren't getting filtered according to how they're
supposed to be matched. I don't know how much clearer I can be. The
header isaudioourplace.

On 10/26/2017 1:10 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
Can you give us an example of an email which did not get filtered,
along with the rule which you expected to filter it?

We don't need to see the full email - we only need to see whichever
part the filter was supposed to act on.

Is there any pattern to which ones work and which ones don't - such as
the rules at the top of the list work, and the ones at the end don't,
etc?

Also, just to be clear, are you saying the some of your rules are never
filtering any emails they're supposed to filter, so they do nothing, or
are you saying that some emails get filtered by the rule they're
supposd to match and other emails do not get filtered by the same
rule?


Antony.

On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:02:47, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Only some of them got filtered.

On 10/26/2017 12:44 PM, John Isige wrote:
Question: Did all messages stop getting filtered, or only some of
them? Again, if some messages are filtered and some are not, I'd
check the headers of a filtered message and an unfiltered one to see
if there are any differences. I see you use the to: field. If
somebody replies to a person and has the list address in the cc:
field, then obviously it won't get filtered. These are the kinds of
things to start checking for. If you have a case like that, you
might need to set up two or three rules for the list to make sure
every message gets filtered and moved to its folder.

On 10/26/2017 12:46, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, Gene,

Here are the steps I took to create the rules. I'll use the music
list I'm on as an example.

1. I went to tools with alt T and hit f for message filters.

2. I tabbed to the new button and hit the space bar on it.

3. I typed the name for my rule. It's called audioourplace. That's
the music list I'm on.

4. I unchecked the box that says "manually check for new messages"
or something like that.

5. Next, I tabbed to the box that says "match all of the following"
and then tabbed to the combo box and chose the "to" field.

6. I tabbed to the box for "contains". Then I tabbed to an edit box
and typed audioourplace@googlegroups.com
<mailto:audioourplace@googlegroups.com>.

7. I tabbed to where you choose a folder. I chose the folder for the
music list and hit enter on it.

8. I tabbed to the ok button and hit the space bar on it.

9. When I was taken back to the screen where you'd create a new
rule, I tabbed to the run now button and hit enter on it. The
filter did work for awhile but then I got new messages from that
list in my inbox so I don't know where the problem could be.

I hope these steps explain better what I was trying to do.

Rosemarie

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf
Of *Gene
*Sent:* Thursday, October 26, 2017 3:25 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

Then the question is, what is wrong with the rules that don't work?
Are you sure all the lists have what you tell the rule to look for
where you tell it to look? Are you sure the spelling is exactly
correct for every item you are using? I'm not sure what else might
account for some of the rules not working.

It might be that if you wrote out every step for a rule that doesn't
work, that someone will be able to find the error. That is tedious
but it may work. It might be much faster and more likely to find
the error to work with someone.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

*From:*Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@gmail.com>

*Sent:*Thursday, October 26, 2017 12:36 AM

*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:*Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

I created rules for all the lists that I'm on.

On 10/25/2017 5:12 PM, Gene wrote:
What do you mean some other messages from other lists. If
your rule only applies to messages with one list name, then
no other messages will be affected. You need to make a
separate rule for every list.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

*From:*Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@gmail.com>

*Sent:*Wednesday, October 25, 2017 6:09 PM

*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:*Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

Hi, Robert,

I already did all that. Some other messages from the other
lists are still going into the inbox. I don't know what else
to do.

Rosemarie

On 10/25/2017 4:07 PM, Robert Mendoza wrote:
subject line is intended to change to avoid confusion of
the thread. About your concern for filtering particular
message into your inbox in Thunderbird. you have to make
sure that your focus is located to the message that is
not open yet, then tab several times till the focus is
directed in the recipient column. Right click then select
Create Filter From. The rest of the filters process is
the same as mentioned below by John. Also, make sure you
uncheck the filter by manually so that it will run
automatically into your corresponding filtered of your
choice.

Robert Mendoza

On 10/26/2017 6:36 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, John,


Let's say you want to run a filter on a message that
comes into the inbox. I've pretty muchcreated the
filters but there are messages till coming into the
inbox from other lists. How do you run a filter on a
message?


Thanks.


Rosemarie

On 10/25/2017 3:03 PM, John Isige wrote:
1. Go to the tools menu, pick message filters.


2. Tab to the new button.


3. Fill in whatever rules you want, e.g. from in
the combo box, tell it to match nvda.


4. For the next two combo boxes, it will probably
be easiest to hit alt-down arrow and expand them.
Just pick whatever you like, I move mine to a
folder called nvda that I made.


5. To make a folder, just pick folder from the new
menu in the file menu, do that before you do a
filter if you want to move stuff, because the
folder has to exist for you to pick it. If you
want the folder in the main account, i.e. another
folder like inbox, before you make the folder,
highlight your account name with the arrows. If
you want everything under your inbox, so you have
to hit right arrow to expand folders, highlight
your inbox. The difference is that if you
highlight the account, you can down arrow, so
you'll get inbox, your folder, sent, trash,
whatever. If you do it highlighting the inbox,
inbox usually starts collapsed and you have to
hit right arrow to expand it, then you hit down
arrow to get to those folders, you'll go through
whatever you made, then you'll get back to sent,
trash, whatever.


If that's confusing somehow, feel free to ask
questions.

On 10/25/2017 13:26, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, John,


How do you create filters in thunderbird or do
you just delete them after reading or replying
to them? Outlook is ok but It's a bit clunky.


Rosemarie

On 10/25/2017 10:02 AM, John Isige wrote:
Microsoft's various mail programs have
always been weird though. I used to use
Outlook, the one that came in Office.
Then I had to upgrade or migrate machines
or whatever. So I exported mail and
everything just like you're supposed to.
Got everything installed, imported into
the new Outlook. Suddenly none of my
filtering rules to send messages to
specific folders would work. So I
literally deleted them all and recreated
them from scratch, and they still
wouldn't work. That's when I switched to
Thunderbird and I've been using it ever
since.


Re: Firefox Quantum. ver 57 are we ready?

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


That was one of the links in the email i got yesterday along with one to do with accessibility in windows 10 creators update.


That was why i asked the question on the list.


At present it does not seem to bad on the 57 beta version. But this version is the 32 bit version so do not know if the 64 bit version has more problems if there is one.


I guess i will also try it on a duel core machine and see if it is the same or worser on one of them.


I do hear page loading now and again but so far it seems ok. maybe when the full version comes out it might be different but think will be along the lines of using it now.


Gene nz



On 10/27/2017 12:07 AM, Matt Turner wrote:

Hi, yes I've played with it, but its very slow with NVDA.

Here's the blog post if that helps.

http://blog.freedomscientific.com/2017/10/25/important-information-for-users-of-mozilla-firefox/
On 10/25/2017 8:35 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:

Hi guys


I just had a email off another list to do with another screen reader to do with the new fire fox coming out next month the one stated in the subject line. Are we alright to go with it as of yet? or will we be aright with it in the next release of NVDA 2017.4 or the version after that.


I have not got that version on this system so do not know how well it works with it. From what i have been reading is more to do with multii thread machines.


And older machines will slow the right down as in searching for pages etc.


It looks also the free upgrade to windows 10 from 7,8 and 8.1 ends at the end of this year.


So if you are able to upgrade from those operating system either upgrade or after that date if you want to go to windows 10 you will have to pay.


There is also some other accessibility stuff that might be of interest to windows 10 creator update. For more info see the following link at https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2017/10/17/windows-10-accessibility-update/

Once i know also about the new browser and when we are able to go i will put it back across the list in atig in new zealand.


Gene nz


--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: Using Thunderbird filters

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I have no problem so-far with the messages from the NVDA list but some of the messages form the audioourplace aren't being filtered.

On 10/26/2017 1:19 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
So, I understand that to mean that you have a rule defined to match some header
which contains "isaudioourplace", and some emails which you expect to have
that header are being filtered, and other emails which you expect to have that
header are not being filtered.

Can you show us an example of the header taken from one of the emails which
does get filtered, and an example taken from one of the emails which does not
get filtered?


Antony.

On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:16:32, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, Anthony,


Some of the messages aren't getting filtered according to how they're
supposed to be matched. I don't know how much clearer I can be. The
header isaudioourplace.

On 10/26/2017 1:10 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
Can you give us an example of an email which did not get filtered, along
with the rule which you expected to filter it?

We don't need to see the full email - we only need to see whichever part
the filter was supposed to act on.

Is there any pattern to which ones work and which ones don't - such as
the rules at the top of the list work, and the ones at the end don't,
etc?

Also, just to be clear, are you saying the some of your rules are never
filtering any emails they're supposed to filter, so they do nothing, or
are you saying that some emails get filtered by the rule they're supposd
to match and other emails do not get filtered by the same rule?


Antony.

On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:02:47, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Only some of them got filtered.

On 10/26/2017 12:44 PM, John Isige wrote:
Question: Did all messages stop getting filtered, or only some of them?
Again, if some messages are filtered and some are not, I'd check the
headers of a filtered message and an unfiltered one to see if there are
any differences. I see you use the to: field. If somebody replies to a
person and has the list address in the cc: field, then obviously it
won't get filtered. These are the kinds of things to start checking
for. If you have a case like that, you might need to set up two or
three rules for the list to make sure every message gets filtered and
moved to its folder.

On 10/26/2017 12:46, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, Gene,

Here are the steps I took to create the rules. I'll use the music list
I'm on as an example.

1. I went to tools with alt T and hit f for message filters.

2. I tabbed to the new button and hit the space bar on it.

3. I typed the name for my rule. It's called audioourplace. That's the
music list I'm on.

4. I unchecked the box that says "manually check for new messages" or
something like that.

5. Next, I tabbed to the box that says "match all of the following"
and then tabbed to the combo box and chose the "to" field.

6. I tabbed to the box for "contains". Then I tabbed to an edit box
and typed audioourplace@googlegroups.com
<mailto:audioourplace@googlegroups.com>.

7. I tabbed to where you choose a folder. I chose the folder for the
music list and hit enter on it.

8. I tabbed to the ok button and hit the space bar on it.

9. When I was taken back to the screen where you'd create a new rule,
I tabbed to the run now button and hit enter on it. The filter did
work for awhile but then I got new messages from that list in my inbox
so I don't know where the problem could be.

I hope these steps explain better what I was trying to do.

Rosemarie

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
*Gene
*Sent:* Thursday, October 26, 2017 3:25 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

Then the question is, what is wrong with the rules that don't work?
Are you sure all the lists have what you tell the rule to look for
where you tell it to look? Are you sure the spelling is exactly
correct for every item you are using? I'm not sure what else might
account for some of the rules not working.

It might be that if you wrote out every step for a rule that doesn't
work, that someone will be able to find the error. That is tedious
but it may work. It might be much faster and more likely to find the
error to work with someone.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

*From:*Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@gmail.com>

*Sent:*Thursday, October 26, 2017 12:36 AM

*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:*Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

I created rules for all the lists that I'm on.

On 10/25/2017 5:12 PM, Gene wrote:
What do you mean some other messages from other lists. If your
rule only applies to messages with one list name, then no other
messages will be affected. You need to make a separate rule for
every list.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:*Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@gmail.com>
*Sent:*Wednesday, October 25, 2017 6:09 PM
*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:*Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters
Hi, Robert,
I already did all that. Some other messages from the other lists
are still going into the inbox. I don't know what else to do.
Rosemarie
On 10/25/2017 4:07 PM, Robert Mendoza wrote:
subject line is intended to change to avoid confusion of the
thread. About your concern for filtering particular message
into your inbox in Thunderbird. you have to make sure that
your focus is located to the message that is not open yet,
then tab several times till the focus is directed in the
recipient column. Right click then select Create Filter From.
The rest of the filters process is the same as mentioned
below by John. Also, make sure you uncheck the filter by
manually so that it will run automatically into your
corresponding filtered of your choice.
Robert Mendoza
On 10/26/2017 6:36 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, John,
Let's say you want to run a filter on a message that
comes into the inbox. I've pretty muchcreated the
filters but there are messages till coming into the
inbox from other lists. How do you run a filter on a
message?
Thanks.
Rosemarie
On 10/25/2017 3:03 PM, John Isige wrote:
1. Go to the tools menu, pick message filters.
2. Tab to the new button.
3. Fill in whatever rules you want, e.g. from in the
combo box, tell it to match nvda.
4. For the next two combo boxes, it will probably be
easiest to hit alt-down arrow and expand them. Just
pick whatever you like, I move mine to a folder
called nvda that I made.
5. To make a folder, just pick folder from the new
menu in the file menu, do that before you do a filter
if you want to move stuff, because the folder has to
exist for you to pick it. If you want the folder in
the main account, i.e. another folder like inbox,
before you make the folder, highlight your account
name with the arrows. If you want everything under
your inbox, so you have to hit right arrow to expand
folders, highlight your inbox. The difference is that
if you highlight the account, you can down arrow, so
you'll get inbox, your folder, sent, trash, whatever.
If you do it highlighting the inbox, inbox usually
starts collapsed and you have to hit right arrow to
expand it, then you hit down arrow to get to those
folders, you'll go through whatever you made, then
you'll get back to sent, trash, whatever.
If that's confusing somehow, feel free to ask
questions.
On 10/25/2017 13:26, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, John,
How do you create filters in thunderbird or do
you just delete them after reading or replying
to them? Outlook is ok but It's a bit clunky.
Rosemarie
On 10/25/2017 10:02 AM, John Isige wrote:
Microsoft's various mail programs have always
been weird though. I used to use Outlook, the
one that came in Office. Then I had to
upgrade or migrate machines or whatever. So
I exported mail and everything just like
you're supposed to. Got everything
installed, imported into the new Outlook.
Suddenly none of my filtering rules to send
messages to specific folders would work. So
I literally deleted them all and recreated
them from scratch, and they still wouldn't
work. That's when I switched to Thunderbird
and I've been using it ever since.


Re: Using Thunderbird filters

Antony Stone
 

So, I understand that to mean that you have a rule defined to match some header
which contains "isaudioourplace", and some emails which you expect to have
that header are being filtered, and other emails which you expect to have that
header are not being filtered.

Can you show us an example of the header taken from one of the emails which
does get filtered, and an example taken from one of the emails which does not
get filtered?


Antony.

On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:16:32, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, Anthony,


Some of the messages aren't getting filtered according to how they're
supposed to be matched. I don't know how much clearer I can be. The
header isaudioourplace.

On 10/26/2017 1:10 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
Can you give us an example of an email which did not get filtered, along
with the rule which you expected to filter it?

We don't need to see the full email - we only need to see whichever part
the filter was supposed to act on.

Is there any pattern to which ones work and which ones don't - such as
the rules at the top of the list work, and the ones at the end don't,
etc?

Also, just to be clear, are you saying the some of your rules are never
filtering any emails they're supposed to filter, so they do nothing, or
are you saying that some emails get filtered by the rule they're supposd
to match and other emails do not get filtered by the same rule?


Antony.

On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:02:47, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Only some of them got filtered.

On 10/26/2017 12:44 PM, John Isige wrote:
Question: Did all messages stop getting filtered, or only some of them?
Again, if some messages are filtered and some are not, I'd check the
headers of a filtered message and an unfiltered one to see if there are
any differences. I see you use the to: field. If somebody replies to a
person and has the list address in the cc: field, then obviously it
won't get filtered. These are the kinds of things to start checking
for. If you have a case like that, you might need to set up two or
three rules for the list to make sure every message gets filtered and
moved to its folder.

On 10/26/2017 12:46, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, Gene,

Here are the steps I took to create the rules. I'll use the music list
I'm on as an example.

1. I went to tools with alt T and hit f for message filters.

2. I tabbed to the new button and hit the space bar on it.

3. I typed the name for my rule. It's called audioourplace. That's the
music list I'm on.

4. I unchecked the box that says "manually check for new messages" or
something like that.

5. Next, I tabbed to the box that says "match all of the following"
and then tabbed to the combo box and chose the "to" field.

6. I tabbed to the box for "contains". Then I tabbed to an edit box
and typed audioourplace@googlegroups.com
<mailto:audioourplace@googlegroups.com>.

7. I tabbed to where you choose a folder. I chose the folder for the
music list and hit enter on it.

8. I tabbed to the ok button and hit the space bar on it.

9. When I was taken back to the screen where you'd create a new rule,
I tabbed to the run now button and hit enter on it. The filter did
work for awhile but then I got new messages from that list in my inbox
so I don't know where the problem could be.

I hope these steps explain better what I was trying to do.

Rosemarie

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
*Gene
*Sent:* Thursday, October 26, 2017 3:25 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

Then the question is, what is wrong with the rules that don't work?
Are you sure all the lists have what you tell the rule to look for
where you tell it to look? Are you sure the spelling is exactly
correct for every item you are using? I'm not sure what else might
account for some of the rules not working.

It might be that if you wrote out every step for a rule that doesn't
work, that someone will be able to find the error. That is tedious
but it may work. It might be much faster and more likely to find the
error to work with someone.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

*From:*Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@gmail.com>

*Sent:*Thursday, October 26, 2017 12:36 AM

*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:*Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

I created rules for all the lists that I'm on.

On 10/25/2017 5:12 PM, Gene wrote:
What do you mean some other messages from other lists. If your
rule only applies to messages with one list name, then no other
messages will be affected. You need to make a separate rule for
every list.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

*From:*Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@gmail.com>

*Sent:*Wednesday, October 25, 2017 6:09 PM

*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:*Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

Hi, Robert,

I already did all that. Some other messages from the other lists
are still going into the inbox. I don't know what else to do.

Rosemarie

On 10/25/2017 4:07 PM, Robert Mendoza wrote:
subject line is intended to change to avoid confusion of the
thread. About your concern for filtering particular message
into your inbox in Thunderbird. you have to make sure that
your focus is located to the message that is not open yet,
then tab several times till the focus is directed in the
recipient column. Right click then select Create Filter From.
The rest of the filters process is the same as mentioned
below by John. Also, make sure you uncheck the filter by
manually so that it will run automatically into your
corresponding filtered of your choice.

Robert Mendoza

On 10/26/2017 6:36 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, John,


Let's say you want to run a filter on a message that
comes into the inbox. I've pretty muchcreated the
filters but there are messages till coming into the
inbox from other lists. How do you run a filter on a
message?


Thanks.


Rosemarie

On 10/25/2017 3:03 PM, John Isige wrote:
1. Go to the tools menu, pick message filters.


2. Tab to the new button.


3. Fill in whatever rules you want, e.g. from in the
combo box, tell it to match nvda.


4. For the next two combo boxes, it will probably be
easiest to hit alt-down arrow and expand them. Just
pick whatever you like, I move mine to a folder
called nvda that I made.


5. To make a folder, just pick folder from the new
menu in the file menu, do that before you do a filter
if you want to move stuff, because the folder has to
exist for you to pick it. If you want the folder in
the main account, i.e. another folder like inbox,
before you make the folder, highlight your account
name with the arrows. If you want everything under
your inbox, so you have to hit right arrow to expand
folders, highlight your inbox. The difference is that
if you highlight the account, you can down arrow, so
you'll get inbox, your folder, sent, trash, whatever.
If you do it highlighting the inbox, inbox usually
starts collapsed and you have to hit right arrow to
expand it, then you hit down arrow to get to those
folders, you'll go through whatever you made, then
you'll get back to sent, trash, whatever.


If that's confusing somehow, feel free to ask
questions.

On 10/25/2017 13:26, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, John,


How do you create filters in thunderbird or do
you just delete them after reading or replying
to them? Outlook is ok but It's a bit clunky.


Rosemarie

On 10/25/2017 10:02 AM, John Isige wrote:
Microsoft's various mail programs have always
been weird though. I used to use Outlook, the
one that came in Office. Then I had to
upgrade or migrate machines or whatever. So
I exported mail and everything just like
you're supposed to. Got everything
installed, imported into the new Outlook.
Suddenly none of my filtering rules to send
messages to specific folders would work. So
I literally deleted them all and recreated
them from scratch, and they still wouldn't
work. That's when I switched to Thunderbird
and I've been using it ever since.
--
If you can't find an Open Source solution for it, then it isn't a real problem.

Please reply to the list;
please *don't* CC me.


Re: Mandatory advisory: when Firefox 57 lands, do NOT check "prevent accessibility services" checkbox

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I sure hope thunderbird doesn't go the way firefox is going. At least I do have outlook if that should happen.

On 10/26/2017 1:11 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Hmmmm so basically mozilla is becoming a problem, I am going away but I am going to have to move to firefox 52 at least till they fix this.

After that its either chrome which doesn't have noscript and to be honest has issues all over or back to ie which is crap but if mozilla want to screw the blind over who knows.

I will try 57 when it comes out but to be honest if it remains that slow who knows.

Noscript is just about the only reason I use firefox at all these days.

It used to be webvisum but with the new google capcha and bots method once you are varified you continue to be some how so who knows.

Most audio captchas work well enough something like webvisum aint needed.




On 26/10/2017 11:54 p.m., Jaffar Sidek wrote:
I was using Firefox quantum beta.  Seems to be slower than usual. , almost to the point of lagging sometimes.
On 26/10/2017 12:57 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

As for that, it is due to the fact that Firefox is using multiple processes for accessibility routines, which impacts NVDA.

Cheers,

Joseph

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Jaffar Sidek
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 25, 2017 9:49 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Mandatory advisory: when Firefox 57 lands, do NOT check "prevent accessibility services" checkbox

There will be a problem when browsing through very dense web pages with lots of links and info.  I just tried facebook.com, talksport.com, bbcNews.com, these pages are so sluggish that it would be better to use internet explorer instead.  Cheers!

On 26/10/2017 12:19 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:

    Hi gene

    I downloaded the 57 beta a little while ago and found the setting
    he was talking about. Mine was already unchecked. I downloaded the
    beta of 57 and i am just looking around now.

    The menus are been spoken. The quick navigation keys seem to be
    working etc.

    There is a little lag some times when you go to the menus and or
    left or right arrow. I was just having a look in the options
    section it looks like only 4 tabs now

    I have read a couple of articles so far from our stuff website and
    gone back and forth between pages.

    as mentioned there is a little lag at times seems no worser than
    56 actually at a few times seemed quicker.

    Now and again you have to refresh the page as like the page does
    not load and using the f5 key lets it load.

    Gene nz

    On 10/26/2017 4:43 PM, Gene wrote:

        How do you disable it if you can't work with menus and all the
        other structures you discussed?  Can you use the command alt t
        then o to get into the options dialog and can it be worked
        with?  Are you saying that we need to check this check box in
        the options dialog?

        Gene

        ----- Original Message -----

        *From:*Joseph Lee <mailto:joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>

        *Sent:*Wednesday, October 25, 2017 10:34 PM

        *To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

        *Subject:*[nvda] Mandatory advisory: when Firefox 57 lands, do
        NOT check "prevent accessibility services" checkbox

        Hi all,

        Well, the tests ended so fast…

        The following is a community-based advisory that is mandatory
        for you all to listen up and follow:

        If Firefox 57 is set to prevent accessibility services, you
        won’t be able to use Firefox at all. The following NVDA
        features will fail:

          * Browse mode and focus mode
          * Web browser features such as elements list and first
            letter navigation commands
          * Object navigation and review modes
          * OCR functionality

        ADVISORY: when Firefox 57 lands, DO NOT check “prevent
        accessibility services” checkbox in Firefox options. By
        default, this checkbox is unchecked.

        Technical: NVDA uses mixture of code injection and
        accessibility API routines to access Firefox. However, when
        accessibility services are turned off, Firefox enters a mode
        where the UI and browse mode functionality will not work with
        screen readers. This means no announcements regarding menu
        bar, no toolbar navigation feedback, no feedback when you type
        into address bar, no browse mode and so on. The only way to
        restore it so far is disabling the checkbox described above
        until NVDA finds a way to interact with Firefox Quantum.

        Cheers,

        Joseph

    --     Image NVDA certified expert

    Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness
    related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless
    of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK
    sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their
    computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to
    you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries
    (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified
    expert near you, please visit the following link
    https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page
    contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from
    around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA
    expert exam.



Re: Using Thunderbird filters

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Anthony,


Some of the messages aren't getting filtered according to how they're supposed to be matched. I don't know how much clearer I can be. The header isaudioourplace.

On 10/26/2017 1:10 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
Can you give us an example of an email which did not get filtered, along with
the rule which you expected to filter it?

We don't need to see the full email - we only need to see whichever part the
filter was supposed to act on.

Is there any pattern to which ones work and which ones don't - such as the
rules at the top of the list work, and the ones at the end don't, etc?

Also, just to be clear, are you saying the some of your rules are never
filtering any emails they're supposed to filter, so they do nothing, or are you
saying that some emails get filtered by the rule they're supposd to match and
other emails do not get filtered by the same rule?


Antony.

On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:02:47, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Only some of them got filtered.

On 10/26/2017 12:44 PM, John Isige wrote:
Question: Did all messages stop getting filtered, or only some of them?
Again, if some messages are filtered and some are not, I'd check the
headers of a filtered message and an unfiltered one to see if there are
any differences. I see you use the to: field. If somebody replies to a
person and has the list address in the cc: field, then obviously it
won't get filtered. These are the kinds of things to start checking for.
If you have a case like that, you might need to set up two or three
rules for the list to make sure every message gets filtered and moved to
its folder.

On 10/26/2017 12:46, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, Gene,

Here are the steps I took to create the rules. I'll use the music list
I'm on as an example.

1. I went to tools with alt T and hit f for message filters.

2. I tabbed to the new button and hit the space bar on it.

3. I typed the name for my rule. It's called audioourplace. That's the
music list I'm on.

4. I unchecked the box that says "manually check for new messages" or
something like that.

5. Next, I tabbed to the box that says "match all of the following"
and then tabbed to the combo box and chose the "to" field.

6. I tabbed to the box for "contains". Then I tabbed to an edit box
and typed audioourplace@googlegroups.com
<mailto:audioourplace@googlegroups.com>.

7. I tabbed to where you choose a folder. I chose the folder for the
music list and hit enter on it.

8. I tabbed to the ok button and hit the space bar on it.

9. When I was taken back to the screen where you'd create a new rule,
I tabbed to the run now button and hit enter on it. The filter did
work for awhile but then I got new messages from that list in my inbox
so I don't know where the problem could be.

I hope these steps explain better what I was trying to do.

Rosemarie

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
*Gene
*Sent:* Thursday, October 26, 2017 3:25 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

Then the question is, what is wrong with the rules that don't work?
Are you sure all the lists have what you tell the rule to look for
where you tell it to look? Are you sure the spelling is exactly
correct for every item you are using? I'm not sure what else might
account for some of the rules not working.

It might be that if you wrote out every step for a rule that doesn't
work, that someone will be able to find the error. That is tedious
but it may work. It might be much faster and more likely to find the
error to work with someone.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

*From:*Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@gmail.com>

*Sent:*Thursday, October 26, 2017 12:36 AM

*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:*Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

I created rules for all the lists that I'm on.

On 10/25/2017 5:12 PM, Gene wrote:

What do you mean some other messages from other lists. If your
rule only applies to messages with one list name, then no other
messages will be affected. You need to make a separate rule for
every list.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

*From:*Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@gmail.com>

*Sent:*Wednesday, October 25, 2017 6:09 PM

*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:*Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

Hi, Robert,

I already did all that. Some other messages from the other lists
are still going into the inbox. I don't know what else to do.

Rosemarie

On 10/25/2017 4:07 PM, Robert Mendoza wrote:

subject line is intended to change to avoid confusion of the
thread. About your concern for filtering particular message
into your inbox in Thunderbird. you have to make sure that
your focus is located to the message that is not open yet,
then tab several times till the focus is directed in the
recipient column. Right click then select Create Filter From.
The rest of the filters process is the same as mentioned below
by John. Also, make sure you uncheck the filter by manually so
that it will run automatically into your corresponding
filtered of your choice.

Robert Mendoza

On 10/26/2017 6:36 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, John,


Let's say you want to run a filter on a message that comes
into the inbox. I've pretty muchcreated the filters but
there are messages till coming into the inbox from other
lists. How do you run a filter on a message?


Thanks.


Rosemarie



On 10/25/2017 3:03 PM, John Isige wrote:

1. Go to the tools menu, pick message filters.


2. Tab to the new button.


3. Fill in whatever rules you want, e.g. from in the
combo box, tell it to match nvda.


4. For the next two combo boxes, it will probably be
easiest to hit alt-down arrow and expand them. Just
pick whatever you like, I move mine to a folder called
nvda that I made.


5. To make a folder, just pick folder from the new
menu in the file menu, do that before you do a filter
if you want to move stuff, because the folder has to
exist for you to pick it. If you want the folder in
the main account, i.e. another folder like inbox,
before you make the folder, highlight your account
name with the arrows. If you want everything under
your inbox, so you have to hit right arrow to expand
folders, highlight your inbox. The difference is that
if you highlight the account, you can down arrow, so
you'll get inbox, your folder, sent, trash, whatever.
If you do it highlighting the inbox, inbox usually
starts collapsed and you have to hit right arrow to
expand it, then you hit down arrow to get to those
folders, you'll go through whatever you made, then
you'll get back to sent, trash, whatever.


If that's confusing somehow, feel free to ask questions.


On 10/25/2017 13:26, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, John,


How do you create filters in thunderbird or do you
just delete them after reading or replying to
them? Outlook is ok but It's a bit clunky.


Rosemarie




On 10/25/2017 10:02 AM, John Isige wrote:

Microsoft's various mail programs have always
been weird though. I used to use Outlook, the
one that came in Office. Then I had to upgrade
or migrate machines or whatever. So I exported
mail and everything just like you're supposed
to. Got everything installed, imported into
the new Outlook. Suddenly none of my filtering
rules to send messages to specific folders
would work. So I literally deleted them all
and recreated them from scratch, and they
still wouldn't work. That's when I switched to
Thunderbird and I've been using it ever since.


Re: heading level spoken

Gary Metzler <gmtravel@...>
 

Hi Gene,
 
Thank you that worked like a charm.
 

From: Gene New Zealand
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 5:54 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] heading level spoken
 

Hi

 

under the document formatting section in NVDA uncheck the reporting of headings in it.

 

Save your settings to take effect if that is what you want.

 

Gene nz

 


On 10/26/2017 10:46 PM, Gary Metzler wrote:
Hi All,
 
I am using the latest windows and nvda.  For some reason I am hearing the words heading level when I go to some lines.  What setting do I need to change to stop this from happening?  Thanks for any help.Regards, Gary kn4ox

--
Image NVDA
        certified expert
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: Mandatory advisory: when Firefox 57 lands, do NOT check "prevent accessibility services" checkbox

 

Hmmmm so basically mozilla is becoming a problem, I am going away but I am going to have to move to firefox 52 at least till they fix this.

After that its either chrome which doesn't have noscript and to be honest has issues all over or back to ie which is crap but if mozilla want to screw the blind over who knows.

I will try 57 when it comes out but to be honest if it remains that slow who knows.

Noscript is just about the only reason I use firefox at all these days.

It used to be webvisum but with the new google capcha and bots method once you are varified you continue to be some how so who knows.

Most audio captchas work well enough something like webvisum aint needed.

On 26/10/2017 11:54 p.m., Jaffar Sidek wrote:
I was using Firefox quantum beta.  Seems to be slower than usual. , almost to the point of lagging sometimes.
On 26/10/2017 12:57 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

As for that, it is due to the fact that Firefox is using multiple processes for accessibility routines, which impacts NVDA.

Cheers,

Joseph

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Jaffar Sidek
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 25, 2017 9:49 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Mandatory advisory: when Firefox 57 lands, do NOT check "prevent accessibility services" checkbox

There will be a problem when browsing through very dense web pages with lots of links and info.  I just tried facebook.com, talksport.com, bbcNews.com, these pages are so sluggish that it would be better to use internet explorer instead.  Cheers!

On 26/10/2017 12:19 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:

    Hi gene

    I downloaded the 57 beta a little while ago and found the setting
    he was talking about. Mine was already unchecked. I downloaded the
    beta of 57 and i am just looking around now.

    The menus are been spoken. The quick navigation keys seem to be
    working etc.

    There is a little lag some times when you go to the menus and or
    left or right arrow. I was just having a look in the options
    section it looks like only 4 tabs now

    I have read a couple of articles so far from our stuff website and
    gone back and forth between pages.

    as mentioned there is a little lag at times seems no worser than
    56 actually at a few times seemed quicker.

    Now and again you have to refresh the page as like the page does
    not load and using the f5 key lets it load.

    Gene nz

    On 10/26/2017 4:43 PM, Gene wrote:

        How do you disable it if you can't work with menus and all the
        other structures you discussed?  Can you use the command alt t
        then o to get into the options dialog and can it be worked
        with?  Are you saying that we need to check this check box in
        the options dialog?

        Gene

        ----- Original Message -----

        *From:*Joseph Lee <mailto:joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>

        *Sent:*Wednesday, October 25, 2017 10:34 PM

        *To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

        *Subject:*[nvda] Mandatory advisory: when Firefox 57 lands, do
        NOT check "prevent accessibility services" checkbox

        Hi all,

        Well, the tests ended so fast…

        The following is a community-based advisory that is mandatory
        for you all to listen up and follow:

        If Firefox 57 is set to prevent accessibility services, you
        won’t be able to use Firefox at all. The following NVDA
        features will fail:

          * Browse mode and focus mode
          * Web browser features such as elements list and first
            letter navigation commands
          * Object navigation and review modes
          * OCR functionality

        ADVISORY: when Firefox 57 lands, DO NOT check “prevent
        accessibility services” checkbox in Firefox options. By
        default, this checkbox is unchecked.

        Technical: NVDA uses mixture of code injection and
        accessibility API routines to access Firefox. However, when
        accessibility services are turned off, Firefox enters a mode
        where the UI and browse mode functionality will not work with
        screen readers. This means no announcements regarding menu
        bar, no toolbar navigation feedback, no feedback when you type
        into address bar, no browse mode and so on. The only way to
        restore it so far is disabling the checkbox described above
        until NVDA finds a way to interact with Firefox Quantum.

        Cheers,

        Joseph

    --     Image NVDA certified expert

    Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness
    related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless
    of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK
    sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their
    computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to
    you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries
    (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified
    expert near you, please visit the following link
    https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page
    contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from
    around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA
    expert exam.


Re: Using Thunderbird filters

Antony Stone
 

Can you give us an example of an email which did not get filtered, along with
the rule which you expected to filter it?

We don't need to see the full email - we only need to see whichever part the
filter was supposed to act on.

Is there any pattern to which ones work and which ones don't - such as the
rules at the top of the list work, and the ones at the end don't, etc?

Also, just to be clear, are you saying the some of your rules are never
filtering any emails they're supposed to filter, so they do nothing, or are you
saying that some emails get filtered by the rule they're supposd to match and
other emails do not get filtered by the same rule?


Antony.

On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:02:47, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Only some of them got filtered.

On 10/26/2017 12:44 PM, John Isige wrote:
Question: Did all messages stop getting filtered, or only some of them?
Again, if some messages are filtered and some are not, I'd check the
headers of a filtered message and an unfiltered one to see if there are
any differences. I see you use the to: field. If somebody replies to a
person and has the list address in the cc: field, then obviously it
won't get filtered. These are the kinds of things to start checking for.
If you have a case like that, you might need to set up two or three
rules for the list to make sure every message gets filtered and moved to
its folder.

On 10/26/2017 12:46, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, Gene,

Here are the steps I took to create the rules. I'll use the music list
I'm on as an example.

1. I went to tools with alt T and hit f for message filters.

2. I tabbed to the new button and hit the space bar on it.

3. I typed the name for my rule. It's called audioourplace. That's the
music list I'm on.

4. I unchecked the box that says "manually check for new messages" or
something like that.

5. Next, I tabbed to the box that says "match all of the following"
and then tabbed to the combo box and chose the "to" field.

6. I tabbed to the box for "contains". Then I tabbed to an edit box
and typed audioourplace@googlegroups.com
<mailto:audioourplace@googlegroups.com>.

7. I tabbed to where you choose a folder. I chose the folder for the
music list and hit enter on it.

8. I tabbed to the ok button and hit the space bar on it.

9. When I was taken back to the screen where you'd create a new rule,
I tabbed to the run now button and hit enter on it. The filter did
work for awhile but then I got new messages from that list in my inbox
so I don't know where the problem could be.

I hope these steps explain better what I was trying to do.

Rosemarie

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
*Gene
*Sent:* Thursday, October 26, 2017 3:25 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

Then the question is, what is wrong with the rules that don't work?
Are you sure all the lists have what you tell the rule to look for
where you tell it to look? Are you sure the spelling is exactly
correct for every item you are using? I'm not sure what else might
account for some of the rules not working.

It might be that if you wrote out every step for a rule that doesn't
work, that someone will be able to find the error. That is tedious
but it may work. It might be much faster and more likely to find the
error to work with someone.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

*From:*Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@gmail.com>

*Sent:*Thursday, October 26, 2017 12:36 AM

*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:*Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

I created rules for all the lists that I'm on.

On 10/25/2017 5:12 PM, Gene wrote:

What do you mean some other messages from other lists. If your
rule only applies to messages with one list name, then no other
messages will be affected. You need to make a separate rule for
every list.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

*From:*Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@gmail.com>

*Sent:*Wednesday, October 25, 2017 6:09 PM

*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:*Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

Hi, Robert,

I already did all that. Some other messages from the other lists
are still going into the inbox. I don't know what else to do.

Rosemarie

On 10/25/2017 4:07 PM, Robert Mendoza wrote:

subject line is intended to change to avoid confusion of the
thread. About your concern for filtering particular message
into your inbox in Thunderbird. you have to make sure that
your focus is located to the message that is not open yet,
then tab several times till the focus is directed in the
recipient column. Right click then select Create Filter From.
The rest of the filters process is the same as mentioned below
by John. Also, make sure you uncheck the filter by manually so
that it will run automatically into your corresponding
filtered of your choice.

Robert Mendoza

On 10/26/2017 6:36 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, John,


Let's say you want to run a filter on a message that comes
into the inbox. I've pretty muchcreated the filters but
there are messages till coming into the inbox from other
lists. How do you run a filter on a message?


Thanks.


Rosemarie



On 10/25/2017 3:03 PM, John Isige wrote:

1. Go to the tools menu, pick message filters.


2. Tab to the new button.


3. Fill in whatever rules you want, e.g. from in the
combo box, tell it to match nvda.


4. For the next two combo boxes, it will probably be
easiest to hit alt-down arrow and expand them. Just
pick whatever you like, I move mine to a folder called
nvda that I made.


5. To make a folder, just pick folder from the new
menu in the file menu, do that before you do a filter
if you want to move stuff, because the folder has to
exist for you to pick it. If you want the folder in
the main account, i.e. another folder like inbox,
before you make the folder, highlight your account
name with the arrows. If you want everything under
your inbox, so you have to hit right arrow to expand
folders, highlight your inbox. The difference is that
if you highlight the account, you can down arrow, so
you'll get inbox, your folder, sent, trash, whatever.
If you do it highlighting the inbox, inbox usually
starts collapsed and you have to hit right arrow to
expand it, then you hit down arrow to get to those
folders, you'll go through whatever you made, then
you'll get back to sent, trash, whatever.


If that's confusing somehow, feel free to ask questions.


On 10/25/2017 13:26, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, John,


How do you create filters in thunderbird or do you
just delete them after reading or replying to
them? Outlook is ok but It's a bit clunky.


Rosemarie




On 10/25/2017 10:02 AM, John Isige wrote:

Microsoft's various mail programs have always
been weird though. I used to use Outlook, the
one that came in Office. Then I had to upgrade
or migrate machines or whatever. So I exported
mail and everything just like you're supposed
to. Got everything installed, imported into
the new Outlook. Suddenly none of my filtering
rules to send messages to specific folders
would work. So I literally deleted them all
and recreated them from scratch, and they
still wouldn't work. That's when I switched to
Thunderbird and I've been using it ever since.
--
Anyone that's normal doesn't really achieve much.

- Mark Blair, Australian rocket engineer

Please reply to the list;
please *don't* CC me.


Re: Using Thunderbird filters

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

When I got thi s computer last year, my

nephew set me up with thunderbird. By default, thunderberd sets up gmail as an imap account.


On 10/26/2017 12:36 PM, Gene wrote:
I don't know how to specify a pop account in thunderbird, but why do you believe you are using an IMAP account.  I don't know how you set up your account to start with.  I set up an account on my copy of Thunderbird and I used the automatic setup feature.  I was given, I assume, a pop account because my messages were downloaded.  they are in my program.  It may be that pop is the default choice.  But someone who knows more about the program can discuss the matter further.  Also, your description of the problem is unclear.  You say that some messages go to the inbox.  Are you saying that some messages that should use the same rule go where they should and some go to the inbox?  If so, then the question is why the rule intercepts some messages and not others.  But at this point, I can't tell whether your rule is not working at all or if it is working with some messages and not others on the same list.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 2:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

How do I change to a pop account in thunderbird?


Thanks.


Rosemarie




On 10/26/2017 11:52 AM, Gene wrote:
Thunderbird supports message rules in IMAP.  Some e-mail programs don't.  Although Thunderbird supports message rules in IMAP, I don't know if that has anything to do with the problem.  If you don't need IMAP for synchronizing messages across devices, POP3 is, in my opinion, a better setting to use for only one device.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 1:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

Ah, that explains then. Thanks.


Rosemarie




On 10/26/2017 11:35 AM, Gerardo Corripio wrote:

Probably because filters only work for Pop3 and not iMap?


El 26/10/2017 a las 12:46 p.m., Rosemarie Chavarria escribió:

Hi, Gene,

 

Here are the steps I took to create the rules. I'll use the music list I'm on as an example.

 

1. I went to tools with alt T and hit f for message filters.

2. I tabbed to the new button and hit the space bar on it.

3. I typed the name for my rule. It's called audioourplace. That's the music list I'm on.

4. I unchecked the box that says "manually check for new messages" or something like that.

5. Next, I tabbed to the box that says "match all of the following" and then tabbed to the combo box and chose the "to" field.

6. I tabbed to the box for "contains". Then I tabbed to an edit box and typed audioourplace@....

7. I tabbed to where you choose a folder. I chose the folder for the music list and hit enter on it.

8. I tabbed to the ok button and hit the space bar on it.

9. When I was taken back to the screen where you'd create a new rule, I tabbed to the run now button and hit enter on it. The filter did work for awhile but then I got new messages from that list in my inbox so I don't know where the problem could be.

 

I hope these steps explain better what I was trying to do.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 3:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

 

Then the question is, what is wrong with the rules that don't work?  Are you sure all the lists have what you tell the rule to look for where you tell it to look?  Are you sure the spelling is exactly correct for every item you are using?  I'm not sure what else might account for some of the rules not working. 

 

It might be that if you wrote out every step for a rule that doesn't work, that someone will be able to find the error.  That is tedious but it may work.  It might be much faster and more likely to find the error to work with someone.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 12:36 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

 

I created rules for all the lists that I'm on.

 

 

 

On 10/25/2017 5:12 PM, Gene wrote:

What do you mean some other messages from other lists.  If your rule only applies to messages with one list name, then no other messages will be affected.  You need to make a separate rule for every list.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

 

Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 6:09 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

 

Hi, Robert,

 

I already did all that. Some other messages from the other lists are still going into the inbox. I don't know what else to do.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

On 10/25/2017 4:07 PM, Robert Mendoza wrote:

subject line is intended to change to avoid confusion of the thread. About your concern for filtering particular message into your inbox in Thunderbird. you have to make sure that your focus is located to the message that is not open yet, then tab several times till the focus is directed in the recipient column. Right click then select Create Filter From. The rest of the filters process is the same as mentioned below by John. Also, make sure you uncheck the filter by manually so that it will run automatically into your corresponding filtered of your choice.

Robert Mendoza

On 10/26/2017 6:36 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, John,


Let's say you want to run a filter on a message that comes into the inbox. I've pretty muchcreated the filters but there are messages till coming into the inbox from other lists. How do you run a filter on a message?


Thanks.


Rosemarie



On 10/25/2017 3:03 PM, John Isige wrote:

1. Go to the tools menu, pick message filters.


2. Tab to the new button.


3. Fill in whatever rules you want, e.g. from in the combo box, tell it to match nvda.


4. For the next two combo boxes, it will probably be easiest to hit alt-down arrow and expand them. Just pick whatever you like, I move mine to a folder called nvda that I made.


5. To make a folder, just pick folder from the new menu in the file menu, do that before you do a filter if you want to move stuff, because the folder has to exist for you to pick it. If you want the folder in the main account, i.e. another folder like inbox, before you make the folder, highlight your account name with the arrows. If you want everything under your inbox, so you have to hit right arrow to expand folders, highlight your inbox. The difference is that if you highlight the account, you can down arrow, so you'll get inbox, your folder, sent, trash, whatever. If you do it highlighting the inbox, inbox usually starts collapsed and you have to hit right arrow to expand it, then you hit down arrow to get to those folders, you'll go through whatever you made, then you'll get back to sent, trash, whatever.


If that's confusing somehow, feel free to ask questions.


On 10/25/2017 13:26, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, John,


How do you create filters in thunderbird or do you just delete them after reading or replying to them? Outlook is ok but It's a bit clunky.


Rosemarie




On 10/25/2017 10:02 AM, John Isige wrote:

Microsoft's various mail programs have always been weird though. I used to use Outlook, the one that came in Office. Then I had to upgrade or migrate machines or whatever. So I exported mail and everything just like you're supposed to. Got everything installed, imported into the new Outlook. Suddenly none of my filtering rules to send messages to specific folders would work. So I literally deleted them all and recreated them from scratch, and they still wouldn't work. That's when I switched to Thunderbird and I've been using it ever since.











 

 

 


-- 
Gera
Enviado desde Thunderbird




Re: Using Thunderbird filters

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Only some of them got filtered.

On 10/26/2017 12:44 PM, John Isige wrote:
Question: Did all messages stop getting filtered, or only some of them?
Again, if some messages are filtered and some are not, I'd check the
headers of a filtered message and an unfiltered one to see if there are
any differences. I see you use the to: field. If somebody replies to a
person and has the list address in the cc: field, then obviously it
won't get filtered. These are the kinds of things to start checking for.
If you have a case like that, you might need to set up two or three
rules for the list to make sure every message gets filtered and moved to
its folder.


On 10/26/2017 12:46, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, Gene,

Here are the steps I took to create the rules. I'll use the music list
I'm on as an example.

1. I went to tools with alt T and hit f for message filters.

2. I tabbed to the new button and hit the space bar on it.

3. I typed the name for my rule. It's called audioourplace. That's the
music list I'm on.

4. I unchecked the box that says "manually check for new messages" or
something like that.

5. Next, I tabbed to the box that says "match all of the following"
and then tabbed to the combo box and chose the "to" field.

6. I tabbed to the box for "contains". Then I tabbed to an edit box
and typed audioourplace@googlegroups.com
<mailto:audioourplace@googlegroups.com>.

7. I tabbed to where you choose a folder. I chose the folder for the
music list and hit enter on it.

8. I tabbed to the ok button and hit the space bar on it.

9. When I was taken back to the screen where you'd create a new rule,
I tabbed to the run now button and hit enter on it. The filter did
work for awhile but then I got new messages from that list in my inbox
so I don't know where the problem could be.

I hope these steps explain better what I was trying to do.

Rosemarie

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
*Gene
*Sent:* Thursday, October 26, 2017 3:25 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

Then the question is, what is wrong with the rules that don't work?
Are you sure all the lists have what you tell the rule to look for
where you tell it to look?  Are you sure the spelling is exactly
correct for every item you are using?  I'm not sure what else might
account for some of the rules not working.

It might be that if you wrote out every step for a rule that doesn't
work, that someone will be able to find the error.  That is tedious
but it may work.  It might be much faster and more likely to find the
error to work with someone.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

*From:*Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@gmail.com>

*Sent:*Thursday, October 26, 2017 12:36 AM

*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:*Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

I created rules for all the lists that I'm on.

On 10/25/2017 5:12 PM, Gene wrote:

    What do you mean some other messages from other lists.  If your
    rule only applies to messages with one list name, then no other
    messages will be affected.  You need to make a separate rule for
    every list.

    Gene

    ----- Original Message -----

    *From:*Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@gmail.com>

    *Sent:*Wednesday, October 25, 2017 6:09 PM

    *To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

    *Subject:*Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

    Hi, Robert,

    I already did all that. Some other messages from the other lists
    are still going into the inbox. I don't know what else to do.

    Rosemarie

    On 10/25/2017 4:07 PM, Robert Mendoza wrote:

        subject line is intended to change to avoid confusion of the
        thread. About your concern for filtering particular message
        into your inbox in Thunderbird. you have to make sure that
        your focus is located to the message that is not open yet,
        then tab several times till the focus is directed in the
        recipient column. Right click then select Create Filter From.
        The rest of the filters process is the same as mentioned below
        by John. Also, make sure you uncheck the filter by manually so
        that it will run automatically into your corresponding
        filtered of your choice.

        Robert Mendoza

        On 10/26/2017 6:36 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

            Hi, John,


            Let's say you want to run a filter on a message that comes
            into the inbox. I've pretty muchcreated the filters but
            there are messages till coming into the inbox from other
            lists. How do you run a filter on a message?


            Thanks.


            Rosemarie



            On 10/25/2017 3:03 PM, John Isige wrote:

                1. Go to the tools menu, pick message filters.


                2. Tab to the new button.


                3. Fill in whatever rules you want, e.g. from in the
                combo box, tell it to match nvda.


                4. For the next two combo boxes, it will probably be
                easiest to hit alt-down arrow and expand them. Just
                pick whatever you like, I move mine to a folder called
                nvda that I made.


                5. To make a folder, just pick folder from the new
                menu in the file menu, do that before you do a filter
                if you want to move stuff, because the folder has to
                exist for you to pick it. If you want the folder in
                the main account, i.e. another folder like inbox,
                before you make the folder, highlight your account
                name with the arrows. If you want everything under
                your inbox, so you have to hit right arrow to expand
                folders, highlight your inbox. The difference is that
                if you highlight the account, you can down arrow, so
                you'll get inbox, your folder, sent, trash, whatever.
                If you do it highlighting the inbox, inbox usually
                starts collapsed and you have to hit right arrow to
                expand it, then you hit down arrow to get to those
                folders, you'll go through whatever you made, then
                you'll get back to sent, trash, whatever.


                If that's confusing somehow, feel free to ask questions.


                On 10/25/2017 13:26, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

                    Hi, John,


                    How do you create filters in thunderbird or do you
                    just delete them after reading or replying to
                    them? Outlook is ok but It's a bit clunky.


                    Rosemarie




                    On 10/25/2017 10:02 AM, John Isige wrote:

                        Microsoft's various mail programs have always
                        been weird though. I used to use Outlook, the
                        one that came in Office. Then I had to upgrade
                        or migrate machines or whatever. So I exported
                        mail and everything just like you're supposed
                        to. Got everything installed, imported into
                        the new Outlook. Suddenly none of my filtering
                        rules to send messages to specific folders
                        would work. So I literally deleted them all
                        and recreated them from scratch, and they
                        still wouldn't work. That's when I switched to
                        Thunderbird and I've been using it ever since.













Re: outlook 2016 possible issue

 

Well I read this, the formats are set correctly in the first place doodled with this allready.

Thanks anyway.

On 26/10/2017 10:05 p.m., Ralf Kefferpuetz wrote:
Hello,
Please read this article and try it out.
https://www.lifewire.com/prevent-sending-winmail-dat-attachments-1173717

cheers,
Ralf

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Donnerstag, 26. Oktober 2017 10:44
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook 2016 possible issue

Nothing that I know of.

It is happening to all users, it started after the september update, defender shows nothing, the user doesn't brouse malicious sites usually sometimes he screws up and I have to help him but the system is primarily used for office type applications with some brousing and thats it.

He has been away during this period and all I have done is some brousing, updates, etc, I clear my junk after I am done and usually use my own system unless updating it.

So it aint me.




On 26/10/2017 9:11 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I've heard of this before, but not on the latest Outlook.
I'm not sure what happens but our local council started to send me dat
files which only had the graphic sig line in it, and all attaches
wseemed to not get sent. Could there be a setting to stop attaching
stuff set somewhere, or an anti virus system removing them?

Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss"
<sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 8:37 AM
Subject: [nvda] outlook 2016 possible issue


Hi.

The main workstation here uses outlook 2016 as its email client.

The main user was away for a couple months and I kept the system
updated.

While there is no issue per say with day to day use of the system,
outlook is now sending the mails all attachments in them at any rate
to everyone as winmail.dat files.

At first I was like well what the heck?

pdfs, documents, etc all in winmail.dat.

I finally decided to get with thunderbird a extention called lookout
fixed which is supposed to pull these things to bits.

In the winmail.dat I found a jpg, a rtf rich text file and another
dat file.

All the documents appear to be empty as far as I can tell.

The user got back in october, there were 2 updates for office one in
september, and one in october.

Tried changing formats to text, but nothing worked.

The format was set to html which means the thing was set correctly in
the first place.

My next plan is to clear the caches of outlook and as it seems to
have happened before the big win10 update my next plan is to do a
quick office repair just in case but am I even doing the right thing?

Everything points at an exchange server which the system has never
accessed in its life its all google cloud mail

Every other system is on thunderbird or directly locked to the cloud
but this is a business box and its never had any issue.

The user has put a request in to get the system and associated hard
drives reformatted.

While this can be done being that this is a 1 time use business
system, office will then become totaly alegal and I will need to go
through hoops to reset the licence.

While that in itself is not the issue I do wander if there is
actually a bug and plan to ring ms about it, as the user didn't have
the issue before.

The format settings have not been touched and bar office and other
system updates bar checking and reading email the system has never
been tampered with by me.

In addition mails are coming to the user fine and he is sending
attachmentless emails and others are recieving them fine.

Has anyone had this issue before, is this a bug, or should I just
reformat and hope the issue goes away.

But if its a bug its not likely to budge they usually don't.












Re: Using Thunderbird filters

John Isige
 

Filters work for IMAP just fine. My main account at least is IMAP,
pretty sure all of them are but I don't feel like checking, and messages
filter just fine here.

On 10/26/2017 13:35, Gerardo Corripio wrote:

Probably because filters only work for Pop3 and not iMap?


El 26/10/2017 a las 12:46 p.m., Rosemarie Chavarria escribió:

Hi, Gene,

Here are the steps I took to create the rules. I'll use the music
list I'm on as an example.

1. I went to tools with alt T and hit f for message filters.

2. I tabbed to the new button and hit the space bar on it.

3. I typed the name for my rule. It's called audioourplace. That's
the music list I'm on.

4. I unchecked the box that says "manually check for new messages" or
something like that.

5. Next, I tabbed to the box that says "match all of the following"
and then tabbed to the combo box and chose the "to" field.

6. I tabbed to the box for "contains". Then I tabbed to an edit box
and typed audioourplace@googlegroups.com
<mailto:audioourplace@googlegroups.com>.

7. I tabbed to where you choose a folder. I chose the folder for the
music list and hit enter on it.

8. I tabbed to the ok button and hit the space bar on it.

9. When I was taken back to the screen where you'd create a new rule,
I tabbed to the run now button and hit enter on it. The filter did
work for awhile but then I got new messages from that list in my
inbox so I don't know where the problem could be.

I hope these steps explain better what I was trying to do.

Rosemarie

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
*Gene
*Sent:* Thursday, October 26, 2017 3:25 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

Then the question is, what is wrong with the rules that don't work? 
Are you sure all the lists have what you tell the rule to look for
where you tell it to look?  Are you sure the spelling is exactly
correct for every item you are using?  I'm not sure what else might
account for some of the rules not working.

It might be that if you wrote out every step for a rule that doesn't
work, that someone will be able to find the error.  That is tedious
but it may work.  It might be much faster and more likely to find the
error to work with someone.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

*From:*Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@gmail.com>

*Sent:*Thursday, October 26, 2017 12:36 AM

*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:*Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

I created rules for all the lists that I'm on.

On 10/25/2017 5:12 PM, Gene wrote:

What do you mean some other messages from other lists.  If your
rule only applies to messages with one list name, then no other
messages will be affected.  You need to make a separate rule for
every list.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

*From:*Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@gmail.com>

*Sent:*Wednesday, October 25, 2017 6:09 PM

*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:*Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

Hi, Robert,

I already did all that. Some other messages from the other lists
are still going into the inbox. I don't know what else to do.

Rosemarie

On 10/25/2017 4:07 PM, Robert Mendoza wrote:

subject line is intended to change to avoid confusion of the
thread. About your concern for filtering particular message
into your inbox in Thunderbird. you have to make sure that
your focus is located to the message that is not open yet,
then tab several times till the focus is directed in the
recipient column. Right click then select Create Filter From.
The rest of the filters process is the same as mentioned
below by John. Also, make sure you uncheck the filter by
manually so that it will run automatically into your
corresponding filtered of your choice.

Robert Mendoza

On 10/26/2017 6:36 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, John,


Let's say you want to run a filter on a message that
comes into the inbox. I've pretty muchcreated the filters
but there are messages till coming into the inbox from
other lists. How do you run a filter on a message?


Thanks.


Rosemarie



On 10/25/2017 3:03 PM, John Isige wrote:

1. Go to the tools menu, pick message filters.


2. Tab to the new button.


3. Fill in whatever rules you want, e.g. from in the
combo box, tell it to match nvda.


4. For the next two combo boxes, it will probably be
easiest to hit alt-down arrow and expand them. Just
pick whatever you like, I move mine to a folder
called nvda that I made.


5. To make a folder, just pick folder from the new
menu in the file menu, do that before you do a filter
if you want to move stuff, because the folder has to
exist for you to pick it. If you want the folder in
the main account, i.e. another folder like inbox,
before you make the folder, highlight your account
name with the arrows. If you want everything under
your inbox, so you have to hit right arrow to expand
folders, highlight your inbox. The difference is that
if you highlight the account, you can down arrow, so
you'll get inbox, your folder, sent, trash, whatever.
If you do it highlighting the inbox, inbox usually
starts collapsed and you have to hit right arrow to
expand it, then you hit down arrow to get to those
folders, you'll go through whatever you made, then
you'll get back to sent, trash, whatever.


If that's confusing somehow, feel free to ask questions.


On 10/25/2017 13:26, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, John,


How do you create filters in thunderbird or do
you just delete them after reading or replying to
them? Outlook is ok but It's a bit clunky.


Rosemarie




On 10/25/2017 10:02 AM, John Isige wrote:

Microsoft's various mail programs have always
been weird though. I used to use Outlook, the
one that came in Office. Then I had to
upgrade or migrate machines or whatever. So I
exported mail and everything just like you're
supposed to. Got everything installed,
imported into the new Outlook. Suddenly none
of my filtering rules to send messages to
specific folders would work. So I literally
deleted them all and recreated them from
scratch, and they still wouldn't work. That's
when I switched to Thunderbird and I've been
using it ever since.










--
Gera
Enviado desde Thunderbird


Re: Using Thunderbird filters

John Isige
 

Question:  Did all messages stop getting filtered, or only some of them?
Again, if some messages are filtered and some are not, I'd check the
headers of a filtered message and an unfiltered one to see if there are
any differences. I see you use the to: field. If somebody replies to a
person and has the list address in the cc: field, then obviously it
won't get filtered. These are the kinds of things to start checking for.
If you have a case like that, you might need to set up two or three
rules for the list to make sure every message gets filtered and moved to
its folder.

On 10/26/2017 12:46, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, Gene,

Here are the steps I took to create the rules. I'll use the music list
I'm on as an example.

1. I went to tools with alt T and hit f for message filters.

2. I tabbed to the new button and hit the space bar on it.

3. I typed the name for my rule. It's called audioourplace. That's the
music list I'm on.

4. I unchecked the box that says "manually check for new messages" or
something like that.

5. Next, I tabbed to the box that says "match all of the following"
and then tabbed to the combo box and chose the "to" field.

6. I tabbed to the box for "contains". Then I tabbed to an edit box
and typed audioourplace@googlegroups.com
<mailto:audioourplace@googlegroups.com>.

7. I tabbed to where you choose a folder. I chose the folder for the
music list and hit enter on it.

8. I tabbed to the ok button and hit the space bar on it.

9. When I was taken back to the screen where you'd create a new rule,
I tabbed to the run now button and hit enter on it. The filter did
work for awhile but then I got new messages from that list in my inbox
so I don't know where the problem could be.

I hope these steps explain better what I was trying to do.

Rosemarie

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
*Gene
*Sent:* Thursday, October 26, 2017 3:25 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

Then the question is, what is wrong with the rules that don't work? 
Are you sure all the lists have what you tell the rule to look for
where you tell it to look?  Are you sure the spelling is exactly
correct for every item you are using?  I'm not sure what else might
account for some of the rules not working.

It might be that if you wrote out every step for a rule that doesn't
work, that someone will be able to find the error.  That is tedious
but it may work.  It might be much faster and more likely to find the
error to work with someone.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

*From:*Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@gmail.com>

*Sent:*Thursday, October 26, 2017 12:36 AM

*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:*Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

I created rules for all the lists that I'm on.

On 10/25/2017 5:12 PM, Gene wrote:

What do you mean some other messages from other lists.  If your
rule only applies to messages with one list name, then no other
messages will be affected.  You need to make a separate rule for
every list.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

*From:*Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@gmail.com>

*Sent:*Wednesday, October 25, 2017 6:09 PM

*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:*Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

Hi, Robert,

I already did all that. Some other messages from the other lists
are still going into the inbox. I don't know what else to do.

Rosemarie

On 10/25/2017 4:07 PM, Robert Mendoza wrote:

subject line is intended to change to avoid confusion of the
thread. About your concern for filtering particular message
into your inbox in Thunderbird. you have to make sure that
your focus is located to the message that is not open yet,
then tab several times till the focus is directed in the
recipient column. Right click then select Create Filter From.
The rest of the filters process is the same as mentioned below
by John. Also, make sure you uncheck the filter by manually so
that it will run automatically into your corresponding
filtered of your choice.

Robert Mendoza

On 10/26/2017 6:36 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, John,


Let's say you want to run a filter on a message that comes
into the inbox. I've pretty muchcreated the filters but
there are messages till coming into the inbox from other
lists. How do you run a filter on a message?


Thanks.


Rosemarie



On 10/25/2017 3:03 PM, John Isige wrote:

1. Go to the tools menu, pick message filters.


2. Tab to the new button.


3. Fill in whatever rules you want, e.g. from in the
combo box, tell it to match nvda.


4. For the next two combo boxes, it will probably be
easiest to hit alt-down arrow and expand them. Just
pick whatever you like, I move mine to a folder called
nvda that I made.


5. To make a folder, just pick folder from the new
menu in the file menu, do that before you do a filter
if you want to move stuff, because the folder has to
exist for you to pick it. If you want the folder in
the main account, i.e. another folder like inbox,
before you make the folder, highlight your account
name with the arrows. If you want everything under
your inbox, so you have to hit right arrow to expand
folders, highlight your inbox. The difference is that
if you highlight the account, you can down arrow, so
you'll get inbox, your folder, sent, trash, whatever.
If you do it highlighting the inbox, inbox usually
starts collapsed and you have to hit right arrow to
expand it, then you hit down arrow to get to those
folders, you'll go through whatever you made, then
you'll get back to sent, trash, whatever.


If that's confusing somehow, feel free to ask questions.


On 10/25/2017 13:26, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, John,


How do you create filters in thunderbird or do you
just delete them after reading or replying to
them? Outlook is ok but It's a bit clunky.


Rosemarie




On 10/25/2017 10:02 AM, John Isige wrote:

Microsoft's various mail programs have always
been weird though. I used to use Outlook, the
one that came in Office. Then I had to upgrade
or migrate machines or whatever. So I exported
mail and everything just like you're supposed
to. Got everything installed, imported into
the new Outlook. Suddenly none of my filtering
rules to send messages to specific folders
would work. So I literally deleted them all
and recreated them from scratch, and they
still wouldn't work. That's when I switched to
Thunderbird and I've been using it ever since.












Re: Using Thunderbird filters

Gerardo Corripio
 

From what I gather, depends on with which EMail provider you set up Thunderbird with: GMail for instance, automatically set it up as iMap.


El 26/10/2017 a las 02:36 p.m., Gene escribió:
I don't know how to specify a pop account in thunderbird, but why do you believe you are using an IMAP account.  I don't know how you set up your account to start with.  I set up an account on my copy of Thunderbird and I used the automatic setup feature.  I was given, I assume, a pop account because my messages were downloaded.  they are in my program.  It may be that pop is the default choice.  But someone who knows more about the program can discuss the matter further.  Also, your description of the problem is unclear.  You say that some messages go to the inbox.  Are you saying that some messages that should use the same rule go where they should and some go to the inbox?  If so, then the question is why the rule intercepts some messages and not others.  But at this point, I can't tell whether your rule is not working at all or if it is working with some messages and not others on the same list.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 2:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

How do I change to a pop account in thunderbird?


Thanks.


Rosemarie




On 10/26/2017 11:52 AM, Gene wrote:
Thunderbird supports message rules in IMAP.  Some e-mail programs don't.  Although Thunderbird supports message rules in IMAP, I don't know if that has anything to do with the problem.  If you don't need IMAP for synchronizing messages across devices, POP3 is, in my opinion, a better setting to use for only one device.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 1:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

Ah, that explains then. Thanks.


Rosemarie




On 10/26/2017 11:35 AM, Gerardo Corripio wrote:

Probably because filters only work for Pop3 and not iMap?


El 26/10/2017 a las 12:46 p.m., Rosemarie Chavarria escribió:

Hi, Gene,

 

Here are the steps I took to create the rules. I'll use the music list I'm on as an example.

 

1. I went to tools with alt T and hit f for message filters.

2. I tabbed to the new button and hit the space bar on it.

3. I typed the name for my rule. It's called audioourplace. That's the music list I'm on.

4. I unchecked the box that says "manually check for new messages" or something like that.

5. Next, I tabbed to the box that says "match all of the following" and then tabbed to the combo box and chose the "to" field.

6. I tabbed to the box for "contains". Then I tabbed to an edit box and typed audioourplace@....

7. I tabbed to where you choose a folder. I chose the folder for the music list and hit enter on it.

8. I tabbed to the ok button and hit the space bar on it.

9. When I was taken back to the screen where you'd create a new rule, I tabbed to the run now button and hit enter on it. The filter did work for awhile but then I got new messages from that list in my inbox so I don't know where the problem could be.

 

I hope these steps explain better what I was trying to do.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 3:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

 

Then the question is, what is wrong with the rules that don't work?  Are you sure all the lists have what you tell the rule to look for where you tell it to look?  Are you sure the spelling is exactly correct for every item you are using?  I'm not sure what else might account for some of the rules not working. 

 

It might be that if you wrote out every step for a rule that doesn't work, that someone will be able to find the error.  That is tedious but it may work.  It might be much faster and more likely to find the error to work with someone.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 12:36 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

 

I created rules for all the lists that I'm on.

 

 

 

On 10/25/2017 5:12 PM, Gene wrote:

What do you mean some other messages from other lists.  If your rule only applies to messages with one list name, then no other messages will be affected.  You need to make a separate rule for every list.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

 

Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 6:09 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

 

Hi, Robert,

 

I already did all that. Some other messages from the other lists are still going into the inbox. I don't know what else to do.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

On 10/25/2017 4:07 PM, Robert Mendoza wrote:

subject line is intended to change to avoid confusion of the thread. About your concern for filtering particular message into your inbox in Thunderbird. you have to make sure that your focus is located to the message that is not open yet, then tab several times till the focus is directed in the recipient column. Right click then select Create Filter From. The rest of the filters process is the same as mentioned below by John. Also, make sure you uncheck the filter by manually so that it will run automatically into your corresponding filtered of your choice.

Robert Mendoza

On 10/26/2017 6:36 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, John,


Let's say you want to run a filter on a message that comes into the inbox. I've pretty muchcreated the filters but there are messages till coming into the inbox from other lists. How do you run a filter on a message?


Thanks.


Rosemarie



On 10/25/2017 3:03 PM, John Isige wrote:

1. Go to the tools menu, pick message filters.


2. Tab to the new button.


3. Fill in whatever rules you want, e.g. from in the combo box, tell it to match nvda.


4. For the next two combo boxes, it will probably be easiest to hit alt-down arrow and expand them. Just pick whatever you like, I move mine to a folder called nvda that I made.


5. To make a folder, just pick folder from the new menu in the file menu, do that before you do a filter if you want to move stuff, because the folder has to exist for you to pick it. If you want the folder in the main account, i.e. another folder like inbox, before you make the folder, highlight your account name with the arrows. If you want everything under your inbox, so you have to hit right arrow to expand folders, highlight your inbox. The difference is that if you highlight the account, you can down arrow, so you'll get inbox, your folder, sent, trash, whatever. If you do it highlighting the inbox, inbox usually starts collapsed and you have to hit right arrow to expand it, then you hit down arrow to get to those folders, you'll go through whatever you made, then you'll get back to sent, trash, whatever.


If that's confusing somehow, feel free to ask questions.


On 10/25/2017 13:26, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, John,


How do you create filters in thunderbird or do you just delete them after reading or replying to them? Outlook is ok but It's a bit clunky.


Rosemarie




On 10/25/2017 10:02 AM, John Isige wrote:

Microsoft's various mail programs have always been weird though. I used to use Outlook, the one that came in Office. Then I had to upgrade or migrate machines or whatever. So I exported mail and everything just like you're supposed to. Got everything installed, imported into the new Outlook. Suddenly none of my filtering rules to send messages to specific folders would work. So I literally deleted them all and recreated them from scratch, and they still wouldn't work. That's when I switched to Thunderbird and I've been using it ever since.











 

 

 


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Re: Using Thunderbird filters

Gene
 

I don't know how to specify a pop account in thunderbird, but why do you believe you are using an IMAP account.  I don't know how you set up your account to start with.  I set up an account on my copy of Thunderbird and I used the automatic setup feature.  I was given, I assume, a pop account because my messages were downloaded.  they are in my program.  It may be that pop is the default choice.  But someone who knows more about the program can discuss the matter further.  Also, your description of the problem is unclear.  You say that some messages go to the inbox.  Are you saying that some messages that should use the same rule go where they should and some go to the inbox?  If so, then the question is why the rule intercepts some messages and not others.  But at this point, I can't tell whether your rule is not working at all or if it is working with some messages and not others on the same list.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 2:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

How do I change to a pop account in thunderbird?


Thanks.


Rosemarie




On 10/26/2017 11:52 AM, Gene wrote:
Thunderbird supports message rules in IMAP.  Some e-mail programs don't.  Although Thunderbird supports message rules in IMAP, I don't know if that has anything to do with the problem.  If you don't need IMAP for synchronizing messages across devices, POP3 is, in my opinion, a better setting to use for only one device.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 1:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

Ah, that explains then. Thanks.


Rosemarie




On 10/26/2017 11:35 AM, Gerardo Corripio wrote:

Probably because filters only work for Pop3 and not iMap?


El 26/10/2017 a las 12:46 p.m., Rosemarie Chavarria escribió:

Hi, Gene,

 

Here are the steps I took to create the rules. I'll use the music list I'm on as an example.

 

1. I went to tools with alt T and hit f for message filters.

2. I tabbed to the new button and hit the space bar on it.

3. I typed the name for my rule. It's called audioourplace. That's the music list I'm on.

4. I unchecked the box that says "manually check for new messages" or something like that.

5. Next, I tabbed to the box that says "match all of the following" and then tabbed to the combo box and chose the "to" field.

6. I tabbed to the box for "contains". Then I tabbed to an edit box and typed audioourplace@....

7. I tabbed to where you choose a folder. I chose the folder for the music list and hit enter on it.

8. I tabbed to the ok button and hit the space bar on it.

9. When I was taken back to the screen where you'd create a new rule, I tabbed to the run now button and hit enter on it. The filter did work for awhile but then I got new messages from that list in my inbox so I don't know where the problem could be.

 

I hope these steps explain better what I was trying to do.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 3:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

 

Then the question is, what is wrong with the rules that don't work?  Are you sure all the lists have what you tell the rule to look for where you tell it to look?  Are you sure the spelling is exactly correct for every item you are using?  I'm not sure what else might account for some of the rules not working. 

 

It might be that if you wrote out every step for a rule that doesn't work, that someone will be able to find the error.  That is tedious but it may work.  It might be much faster and more likely to find the error to work with someone.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 12:36 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

 

I created rules for all the lists that I'm on.

 

 

 

On 10/25/2017 5:12 PM, Gene wrote:

What do you mean some other messages from other lists.  If your rule only applies to messages with one list name, then no other messages will be affected.  You need to make a separate rule for every list.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

 

Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 6:09 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

 

Hi, Robert,

 

I already did all that. Some other messages from the other lists are still going into the inbox. I don't know what else to do.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

On 10/25/2017 4:07 PM, Robert Mendoza wrote:

subject line is intended to change to avoid confusion of the thread. About your concern for filtering particular message into your inbox in Thunderbird. you have to make sure that your focus is located to the message that is not open yet, then tab several times till the focus is directed in the recipient column. Right click then select Create Filter From. The rest of the filters process is the same as mentioned below by John. Also, make sure you uncheck the filter by manually so that it will run automatically into your corresponding filtered of your choice.

Robert Mendoza

On 10/26/2017 6:36 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, John,


Let's say you want to run a filter on a message that comes into the inbox. I've pretty muchcreated the filters but there are messages till coming into the inbox from other lists. How do you run a filter on a message?


Thanks.


Rosemarie



On 10/25/2017 3:03 PM, John Isige wrote:

1. Go to the tools menu, pick message filters.


2. Tab to the new button.


3. Fill in whatever rules you want, e.g. from in the combo box, tell it to match nvda.


4. For the next two combo boxes, it will probably be easiest to hit alt-down arrow and expand them. Just pick whatever you like, I move mine to a folder called nvda that I made.


5. To make a folder, just pick folder from the new menu in the file menu, do that before you do a filter if you want to move stuff, because the folder has to exist for you to pick it. If you want the folder in the main account, i.e. another folder like inbox, before you make the folder, highlight your account name with the arrows. If you want everything under your inbox, so you have to hit right arrow to expand folders, highlight your inbox. The difference is that if you highlight the account, you can down arrow, so you'll get inbox, your folder, sent, trash, whatever. If you do it highlighting the inbox, inbox usually starts collapsed and you have to hit right arrow to expand it, then you hit down arrow to get to those folders, you'll go through whatever you made, then you'll get back to sent, trash, whatever.


If that's confusing somehow, feel free to ask questions.


On 10/25/2017 13:26, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, John,


How do you create filters in thunderbird or do you just delete them after reading or replying to them? Outlook is ok but It's a bit clunky.


Rosemarie




On 10/25/2017 10:02 AM, John Isige wrote:

Microsoft's various mail programs have always been weird though. I used to use Outlook, the one that came in Office. Then I had to upgrade or migrate machines or whatever. So I exported mail and everything just like you're supposed to. Got everything installed, imported into the new Outlook. Suddenly none of my filtering rules to send messages to specific folders would work. So I literally deleted them all and recreated them from scratch, and they still wouldn't work. That's when I switched to Thunderbird and I've been using it ever since.











 

 

 


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