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Idiot proof log in to web sites wanted.

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Hi what I'd really like and it is either obvious to others how this is done or it exists and I've not found it in browsers is a way to, say bring up a list of web sites I use a lot which need logginh in as many these days do, hit enter and hey preesto, its in.
I envisage a simple interface with page address of log in. Username and password fields, probably held encrypted in some way for security.
The plethora of different passwords etc now needed is doing my working brain cell in, so if anyone has an nvda friendly way to achieve this with Firefox as the default browser, do share it. I've seen some password managers but reading about them often gives me no clue if they do what I need accessibly or not its all click this and that stuff.


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Re: Collapsing All Threads In The Mail App Windows 10

David Griffith
 

I don’t know how to collapse all threads as I believe the charactgeristic of Mail is that the thread automatically opens in Mail when focus is on the thread. What is I do is just focus on any mail  in the list and press left arrow a couple of times and then you will hear collapsed. You can press the delete key now to delete the thread if you want or coursor down to the next thread.

 

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From: Devin Prater
Sent: 22 October 2017 07:49
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Collapsing All Threads In The Mail App Windows 10

 

I'd love to know that too, and an easier way to move between messages in a thread. This is what I love about the web Gmail app, the easy navigation between threaded messages.

 

On Sat, Oct 21, 2017 at 11:47 PM Earle Zwicker <rowdyamerican@...> wrote:

I wanted to thank everyone for all of their suggestions for a mail app in Windows 10. I have decided to try the mail app in Windows 10 for now. I'm having one issue though. Does anyone know how I can collapse all message threads? I like my messages in threads, but I would like to have them all collapsed by default. Any help would be appreciated.

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Re: can't delete all my messages at once in the mail app

Chris
 

Try ctrl+A to select all message in your list then hit DEL key

 

 


Re: Slightly OT: Accessible blogging platform

Domingos de Oliveira <domingos20000@...>
 

Uh, I know some blinds which are using wordpress.com. It's not that easy, but it seems to work.


Am 21.10.2017 um 02:30 schrieb Shaun Everiss:

To be honest wordpress.com just doesn't work, wordpress itself is fine I can make blogs and such but yeah its not that good after that.

Your best bet is to log to www.wordpress.com/wp-admin.

Once you login go to m.wordpress.com and a dumbed down wordpress appears you can select which blog to post at and you can post to blogs like that sadly not login like that but still thats how you do it.

The only issue is your dates for posts will be at the end of the post rather than the top but its worked for me.




On 21/10/2017 7:43 a.m., David Griffith wrote:
My Wordpress blog is the first one in my signature .

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: 20 October 2017 19:15
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Slightly OT: Accessible blogging platform

Just to be clear you are using wordpress.com and not a self hosted wordpres ssite right? If so that might be the issue as that site is a pain in the back side to navigate wiht any screen reader.


On Oct 20, 2017, at 10:06 AM, David Griffith <daj.griffith@gmail.com> wrote:

I don’t think its that oddat all. I have read others complaining  about the difficulties of Wordpress.
To answer your question specifically yes I did attempt to “expand the menus but NVDA appeared to struggle to focus on the results of the expanded menus.
This was also the experience using jas 18 and 2018 using Firefox and Windows 10 but not the Fall update.
  There seems to have been some changes on the site recently which has deteriorated the situation. Up until recently I was able to publish OK. Now it seems impossible. As I say I am getting around this by using the email submission feature but this should benot be necessary.
  David Griffith
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  From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: 20 October 2017 17:30
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Slightly OT: Accessible blogging platform
  How odd. I can use wordpress fine, at least on mac, no focus issues. Did you  try hitting the expand button when it comes to the menues?
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On Oct 20, 2017, at 1:04 AM, David Griffith <daj.griffith@gmail.com> wrote:
  Wordpress may be technically accessible but personally I find it extremely confusing and difficult to use.
It is certainly not straightforward.
For example I have recently been stuck in submitting only as draft and using NVDA and Jaws could find no way of amending this o actually publish. Rather than publishing when you hit the publish button you re taken to other options which my screenreader at least struggles to deal with.
In the end I managed to struggle through my wordpress blog settings and managed to change them to allow submission by email which has sorted this to a basic level. Even here on the settings page it was not at all clear. I hit enable buttons but it was not clear as to what these buttons referred to.
More by luck than anything else I managed to make the change.
  I think Wordpress has a lot to do to make the site more usable.
  David Griffith
On 3 Jan 2017, at 07:10, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:
  Hi.
Well if you use the latest wordpress theme then it will always be accessible.
But most things injegno I think is what is being used on another site but there is a custom style and all that jazz.
I am a beta tester of the wordpress platform and our themes are always accessible, the 2016, 2015, 2014, 2013 and 2012 themes all should work.
maybe our older ones will work to I am unsure but the latest theme you get with the latest version should always work.
Its easy enough if you do have a website or server.
As long as you have php 5.0 or whatever the latest version of that and mysql is installed as well as cpanel then its about all you need.
You need a mysql database to run the entire junket.
You then just load the base package and configure it, and bar some plugins it should just autoupdate for you in most cases.
Wordpress.com is good though I use it and its mobile site for my personal blog.
What I have done after creation is use wordpress.com/wp-admin and then its got me into the site then I use m.wordpress.com to access that.
But its easy as long as you turn the visual editor off.
For other platforms.
If wordpress is not your thing the next easy one is blogger.
Blogger and blogspot are part of google and all account holders of google including gmail and youtube have access to this.
3.  droople and maybe a couple others are usable but ofcause there are different setups it all depends what you want.



On 3/01/2017 7:41 p.m., Quentin Christensen wrote:


Hi Ketan,

I know a few people use WordPress.  There are various themes and I believe
some are inaccessible.  I haven't had a problem with any I've tried though
I probably haven't been as adventurous as some.  You can setup WordPress on
your own site or use a host like wordpress.comwho host it for you.

Regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 5:32 PM, Ketan Kothari <muktaketan@gmail.com> wrote:



Hi friends,

I intend to create personal blog and would be grateful if someone can
guide me to accessible blogging platform.  Please.

With best wishes,

Ketan

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Re: understanding the new win.

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I'm with you, but I think its a sighted thing. They want to make it look easy, and we have to just put up with it or use one of the classic shell programs and ribbon removers if it is a serious irksome task to cope.
Same goes for the mail program as its an app, ie its not like other windows stuff its kind of unique, like many such programs.

I'm happy to use 7, butwill get 10 again, obviously, but I do wish they would stop these major updates that break access software every few months, but from what I hear this is going to be the norm from now on, sigh.
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2017 6:28 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] understanding the new win.


Actually that's easy. Go to the explorer program with windows plus e. then go to the tree view and navigate by first letter from there, or hit enter on a folder and navigate by first letter thee. It's quite easy really.

On Oct 21, 2017, at 10:02 PM, Karim Lakhani <karim.lakhani@shaw.ca> wrote:

Sorry I'm confused what is the default mail program on windows 10?
How does one get to it.
why did they stop using alt m for moving a folder?
Now it's V, that is not very easy to understand why.
I'm wondering how I can go to my hard drive and type a letter to get to the folder but instead I get a search box.
It's very annoying I'm having a hard time understanding why we keep changes things alt f to open a file instead of having to go through a extensive process, maybe it's me just becoming old and sick off change?
LOL!



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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 5:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

I use the mail app all the time, and I do the same thing.
CTRL+R and hitting alt twice, always does the trick.
You guys are right!
Thanks for clearing that up, because I love using the mail app, but it does have a few little kinks like that LOL!
David Moore
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From: Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 7:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

Yes, that is what he was asking about. I'm glad I was able to clarify this for you.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 4:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

Yes, and if that is what the person was asking about, that is good information. If I were using the app, I'd use control r, then press alt twice, at least that's what I think I would do, not having used the program.

Gene
----- Original message -----
From: Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 5:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

Hi, Gene,

In the mail app, if you try typing something after hitting control R, you get a message that says something like "no document". You either have to shift tab to the subject line and tab back to the edit field for replying or hit the alt key and enter to hear the subject line.

I hope this clarifies things a little better for you.

Rosemarie

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 3:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

I know but what he said is that when he uses the command control r to reply, he doesn't hear the command spoken. I'm saying that it doesn't matter if you hear the command control r spoken. If he is discussing something else, what is it? I don't use the mail app but until I hear further, I will assume that control r is the reply short cut command because that command is so standard in Windows e-mail programs. Is there some other problem such as that when using the command, you don't hear something like the re subject line spoken to tell you that the command has been executed?

Gene
----- Original message -----
From: Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 5:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

Hi, Gene,

With all due respect, the person asking the question is asking about the mail app which works a bit differently than other programs. He wasn't asking about windows live mail or other programs.

Rosemarie

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 2:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

Why is the question being asked in the first place? Unless you have NVDA set to speak keys such as control, shift, the arrow keys, etc. you won't hear such commands spoken at any time. You know from the response of programs what is occurring. If the reply message opens, NVDA will say something that will tell you that a reply message has opened. If you hear nothing or somethin incorrect, you have issued the wrong command or the command didn't work properly. When I issue a command that should result in something being spoken, I don't continue until I hear the start of the speech confirming the command. If I do, I might start writing a message before the program is ready to receive it or take an action in another program before the program is ready to take the action. Being excessively dependent on hearing keys announced and basing what you do on hearing keys announced rather than the response of Windows or the program you are working in isn't a good way to work with Windows or programs. I don't have such keys announced, which is the default, because it wouldn't benefit me in any way to hear them announced. Even if I did hear them announced, I wouldn't take actions until the program indicated that it was ready to have actions taken.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 4:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

Hi, Gary,

What I did to hear the keys spoken was to hit the alt key. It says "lower ribbon reply control R". Then I hit enter on a message to reply and heard the keys spoken.

Hope this helps.

Rosemarie

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>] On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 1:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

Thanks Rosemary.
I have a question. When using the mail app and I reply to a message using ctrl r I don’t hear the keys spoken. Is this normal behavior? Thanks,

From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 1:31 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

I got it.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>] On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 10:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] test

Hi All,

I am writing this message in the win10 mail app.

Regards, Gary kn4ox



Re: Eloquence&Vocalizer Gives NVDA A Real Screen Reader Feel To Me

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This just proves the point about the fact everyone is different. There is no one true and right way.

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From: "Blee Blat" <bleeblat@gmail.com>
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Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence&Vocalizer Gives NVDA A Real Screen Reader Feel To Me


And then there is me. I don't like any of the available voices, because they're all too human sounding and speak too slowly. I liked the DoubleTalk voices, or maybe the Accent or Artic voices, but none of those are supported any longer. I put up with synthesized speech because braille support is never well-tested on most platforms, and the braille displays I end up buying always end up being discontinued and it seems you can't get a simple braille terminal any more. You have to have one of these crappy note taker things, but my phone has better specs than these devices. So screen reading technology is currently sucking. And if it was unclear by "simple braille terminal" I mean just a display that sits under a laptop or keyboard that just outputs braille from the computer. I type too fast for the regular cheap plastic keyboards to keep up so braille input would lag too much to be useful. I just want a simple dumb braille display that outputs braille and does nothing else. If anyone else has any suggestions, I'd love to hear, and yes if I get working braille again I'll test all the screen readers I can and fix them if they work badly if I'm allowed to do that.







Presenting PPTX with viewer

Michal Rada
 

Hi there, Please, is any way to accessible present PPTX presentation in Powerpoint viewer? I present many presentations and now i will do it in W10 virtual machne thats not Office installed. I downůoaded Powerpoint viewer from MS site and surprised, in vieweer NVDA reads "Presentation slide" only. In full powered powerpoint it works good.

M


Re: understanding the new win.

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


The following page from my website might help you. It can be found at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20tutorials%20for%20windows%2010.html


The tutorial on configuring file explorer so when you press the windows key + letterE it will take you straight to your drives on your computer. There may be some other useful stuff there.

I hope it helps.


Gene nz



On 10/22/2017 6:02 PM, Karim Lakhani wrote:
Sorry I'm confused what is the default mail program on windows 10?
How does one get to it.
why did they stop using alt m for moving a folder?
Now it's V, that is not very easy to understand why.
I'm wondering how I can go to my hard drive and type a letter to get to the folder but instead I get a search box.
It's very annoying I'm having a hard time understanding why we keep changes things alt f to open a file instead of having to go through a extensive process, maybe it's me just becoming old and sick off change?
LOL!
 
 
 
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 5:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

I use the mail app all the time, and I do the same thing.

CTRL+R and hitting alt twice, always does the trick.

You guys are right!

Thanks for clearing that up, because I love using the mail app, but it does have a few little kinks like that LOL!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 7:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Yes, that is what he was asking about. I'm glad I was able to clarify this for you.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 4:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Yes, and if that is what the person was asking about, that is good information.  If I were using the app, I'd use control r, then press alt twice, at least that's what I think I would do, not having used the program. 

 

Gene

----- Original message -----

Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 5:58 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Hi, Gene,

 

In the mail app, if you try typing something after hitting control R, you get a message that says something like "no document". You either have to shift tab to the subject line and tab back to the edit field for replying or hit the alt key and enter to hear the subject line.

 

I hope this clarifies things a little better for you.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 3:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

I know but what he said is that when he uses the command control r to reply, he doesn't hear the command spoken.  I'm saying that it doesn't matter if you hear the command control r spoken.  If he is discussing something else, what is it?  I don't use the mail app but until I hear further, I will assume that control r is the reply short cut command because that command is so standard in Windows e-mail programs.  Is there some other problem such as that when using the command, you don't hear something like the re subject line spoken to tell you that the command has been executed?

 

Gene

----- Original message -----

Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 5:17 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Hi, Gene,

 

With all due respect, the person asking the question is asking about the mail app which works a bit differently than other programs. He wasn't asking about windows live mail or other programs.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 2:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Why is the question being asked in the first place?  Unless you have NVDA set to speak keys such as control, shift, the arrow keys, etc. you won't hear such commands spoken at any time.  You know from the response of programs what is occurring.  If the reply message opens, NVDA will say something that will tell you that a reply message has opened.  If you hear nothing or somethin incorrect, you have issued the wrong command or the command didn't work properly.  When I issue a command that should result in something being spoken, I don't continue until I hear the start of the speech confirming the command.  If I do, I might start writing a message before the program is ready to receive it or take an action in another program before the program is ready to take the action.  Being excessively dependent on hearing keys announced and basing what you do on hearing keys announced rather than the response of Windows or the program you are working in isn't a good way to work with Windows or programs.  I don't have such keys announced, which is the default, because it wouldn't benefit me in any way to hear them announced.  Even if I did hear them announced, I wouldn't take actions until the program indicated that it was ready to have actions taken.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 4:07 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Hi, Gary,

 

What I did to hear the keys spoken was to hit the alt key. It says "lower ribbon reply control R". Then I hit enter on a message to reply and heard the keys spoken.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 1:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Thanks Rosemary.

I have a question.  When using the mail app and I reply to a message using ctrl r I don’t hear the keys spoken.  Is this normal behavior?  Thanks,

 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria

Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 1:31 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

I got it.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 10:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] test

 

Hi All,

 

I am writing this message in the win10 mail app.

 

Regards, Gary kn4ox

 

 


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Re: Suggestion: conveying paragraph and word position by panning

Devin Prater
 

Emacspeak is a beautiful program. I've been waiting screen readers to use things from Emacspeak, like pitch or inflection change to denote formatting, and panned speech/sounds, but of course, love-to-have features come last. So this'll probably wind up being an addon of some kind. For now, there are indentation settings, using pitched beeps, which are good for pitch-perfect folks, or speech, which is good for preciseness, but that's about it from what you want. Note that JAWS doesn't do any better, so I'm not harping on NVDA alone.

On Sat, Oct 21, 2017 at 9:58 PM Pranav Lal <pranav.lal@...> wrote:
Hi all,

I need to produce well formatted documents at my job. I  have been thinking
about how to convey paragraph and word alignment effectively. Can we use
stereo  panning? A word on the right sounds in the right ear while a word on
the left sounds in the left ear. Words in the middle are in the middle. You
would also use panning to convey the  vertical position of lines.

I think emacspeak does something like this but I am not sure.

Anyone any thoughts?
Pranav




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Re: Collapsing All Threads In The Mail App Windows 10

Devin Prater
 

I'd love to know that too, and an easier way to move between messages in a thread. This is what I love about the web Gmail app, the easy navigation between threaded messages.

On Sat, Oct 21, 2017 at 11:47 PM Earle Zwicker <rowdyamerican@...> wrote:
I wanted to thank everyone for all of their suggestions for a mail app in Windows 10. I have decided to try the mail app in Windows 10 for now. I'm having one issue though. Does anyone know how I can collapse all message threads? I like my messages in threads, but I would like to have them all collapsed by default. Any help would be appreciated.

Earle

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sent from Inbox by Gmail.
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r.d.t.prater@...


Re: can't delete all my messages at once in the mail app

Blee Blat <bleeblat@...>
 

When you're in the list of messages, just press control + a and then press delete.


can't delete all my messages at once in the mail app

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, everyone,

 

I’m having trouble deleting all my messages at once in the mail app. I go to the deleted items folder and shift tab to select all and hit the space bar to select it. Then when I go back to the messages and hit the delete key, only one message is deleted. What could I be doing wrong?

 

Thanks for your help in advance.

 

Rosemarie

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: test

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, David,

 

I’m now using the mail app and the reply is working great. I didn’t have to shift tab and come back to the edit field where you’d type the reply.

 

Rosemarie

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: David Moore
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 7:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Good for you, Gary!

It came through loud and clear!

Let me know if you need any help with the Mail, Calendar, or People apps.

I am very relaxed tonight, and I am having fun on here.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gary Metzler
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 9:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Hi David,

 

Thanks for the info.

I am replying  to this message using the mail app.

 

Regards, Gary kn4ox

 

From: David Moore
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 9:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

No, there is not!

You have to enter on the trash folder, and select all messages, and press delete.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gary Metzler
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 9:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Hi David,

 

So, in the mail app there is no way to have the trash folder emptied when exiting the progam like in wlm?  Thanks for any help.  

 

From: David Moore

Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 7:52 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

I use the mail app all the time, and I do the same thing.

CTRL+R and hitting alt twice, always does the trick.

You guys are right!

Thanks for clearing that up, because I love using the mail app, but it does have a few little kinks like that LOL!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 7:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Yes, that is what he was asking about. I'm glad I was able to clarify this for you.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 4:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Yes, and if that is what the person was asking about, that is good information.  If I were using the app, I'd use control r, then press alt twice, at least that's what I think I would do, not having used the program. 

 

Gene

----- Original message -----

From: Rosemarie Chavarria

Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 5:58 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Hi, Gene,

 

In the mail app, if you try typing something after hitting control R, you get a message that says something like "no document". You either have to shift tab to the subject line and tab back to the edit field for replying or hit the alt key and enter to hear the subject line.

 

I hope this clarifies things a little better for you.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 3:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

I know but what he said is that when he uses the command control r to reply, he doesn't hear the command spoken.  I'm saying that it doesn't matter if you hear the command control r spoken.  If he is discussing something else, what is it?  I don't use the mail app but until I hear further, I will assume that control r is the reply short cut command because that command is so standard in Windows e-mail programs.  Is there some other problem such as that when using the command, you don't hear something like the re subject line spoken to tell you that the command has been executed?

 

Gene

----- Original message -----

From: Rosemarie Chavarria

Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 5:17 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Hi, Gene,

 

With all due respect, the person asking the question is asking about the mail app which works a bit differently than other programs. He wasn't asking about windows live mail or other programs.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 2:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Why is the question being asked in the first place?  Unless you have NVDA set to speak keys such as control, shift, the arrow keys, etc. you won't hear such commands spoken at any time.  You know from the response of programs what is occurring.  If the reply message opens, NVDA will say something that will tell you that a reply message has opened.  If you hear nothing or somethin incorrect, you have issued the wrong command or the command didn't work properly.  When I issue a command that should result in something being spoken, I don't continue until I hear the start of the speech confirming the command.  If I do, I might start writing a message before the program is ready to receive it or take an action in another program before the program is ready to take the action.  Being excessively dependent on hearing keys announced and basing what you do on hearing keys announced rather than the response of Windows or the program you are working in isn't a good way to work with Windows or programs.  I don't have such keys announced, which is the default, because it wouldn't benefit me in any way to hear them announced.  Even if I did hear them announced, I wouldn't take actions until the program indicated that it was ready to have actions taken.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Rosemarie Chavarria

Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 4:07 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Hi, Gary,

 

What I did to hear the keys spoken was to hit the alt key. It says "lower ribbon reply control R". Then I hit enter on a message to reply and heard the keys spoken.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 1:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Thanks Rosemary.

I have a question.  When using the mail app and I reply to a message using ctrl r I don’t hear the keys spoken.  Is this normal behavior?  Thanks,

 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria

Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 1:31 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

I got it.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 10:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] test

 

Hi All,

 

I am writing this message in the win10 mail app.

 

Regards, Gary kn4ox

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: understanding the new win.

Sarah k Alawami
 

Actually that's easy. Go to the explorer program with windows plus e. then go to the tree view and navigate by first letter from there, or hit enter on a folder and navigate by first letter thee. It's quite easy really.

On Oct 21, 2017, at 10:02 PM, Karim Lakhani <karim.lakhani@...> wrote:

Sorry I'm confused what is the default mail program on windows 10?
How does one get to it.
why did they stop using alt m for moving a folder?
Now it's V, that is not very easy to understand why.
I'm wondering how I can go to my hard drive and type a letter to get to the folder but instead I get a search box.
It's very annoying I'm having a hard time understanding why we keep changes things alt f to open a file instead of having to go through a extensive process, maybe it's me just becoming old and sick off change?
LOL!
 
 
 
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SKYPE: goldenace4
$$$$
Your reputation is in the hands of others. That's what a
reputation is. You can't control that. The only thing you
can control is your character.
- Wayne Walter Dyer (1940-)
 
 
 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 5:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

I use the mail app all the time, and I do the same thing.
CTRL+R and hitting alt twice, always does the trick.
You guys are right!
Thanks for clearing that up, because I love using the mail app, but it does have a few little kinks like that LOL!
David Moore
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
 
From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 7:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test
 
Yes, that is what he was asking about. I'm glad I was able to clarify this for you.
 
 
 
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 4:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test
 
Yes, and if that is what the person was asking about, that is good information.  If I were using the app, I'd use control r, then press alt twice, at least that's what I think I would do, not having used the program.  
 
Gene
----- Original message -----
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 5:58 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] test
 
Hi, Gene,
 
In the mail app, if you try typing something after hitting control R, you get a message that says something like "no document". You either have to shift tab to the subject line and tab back to the edit field for replying or hit the alt key and enter to hear the subject line. 
 
I hope this clarifies things a little better for you. 
 
Rosemarie
 
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 3:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test
 
I know but what he said is that when he uses the command control r to reply, he doesn't hear the command spoken.  I'm saying that it doesn't matter if you hear the command control r spoken.  If he is discussing something else, what is it?  I don't use the mail app but until I hear further, I will assume that control r is the reply short cut command because that command is so standard in Windows e-mail programs.  Is there some other problem such as that when using the command, you don't hear something like the re subject line spoken to tell you that the command has been executed?
 
Gene
----- Original message -----
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 5:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] test
 
Hi, Gene,
 
With all due respect, the person asking the question is asking about the mail app which works a bit differently than other programs. He wasn't asking about windows live mail or other programs.
 
Rosemarie
 
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 2:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test
 
Why is the question being asked in the first place?  Unless you have NVDA set to speak keys such as control, shift, the arrow keys, etc. you won't hear such commands spoken at any time.  You know from the response of programs what is occurring.  If the reply message opens, NVDA will say something that will tell you that a reply message has opened.  If you hear nothing or somethin incorrect, you have issued the wrong command or the command didn't work properly.  When I issue a command that should result in something being spoken, I don't continue until I hear the start of the speech confirming the command.  If I do, I might start writing a message before the program is ready to receive it or take an action in another program before the program is ready to take the action.  Being excessively dependent on hearing keys announced and basing what you do on hearing keys announced rather than the response of Windows or the program you are working in isn't a good way to work with Windows or programs.  I don't have such keys announced, which is the default, because it wouldn't benefit me in any way to hear them announced.  Even if I did hear them announced, I wouldn't take actions until the program indicated that it was ready to have actions taken.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 4:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] test
 
Hi, Gary,
 
What I did to hear the keys spoken was to hit the alt key. It says "lower ribbon reply control R". Then I hit enter on a message to reply and heard the keys spoken.
 
Hope this helps.
 
Rosemarie
 
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Metzler 
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 1:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test
 
Thanks Rosemary.
I have a question.  When using the mail app and I reply to a message using ctrl r I don’t hear the keys spoken.  Is this normal behavior?  Thanks,
 
From: Rosemarie Chavarria 
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 1:31 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] test
 
I got it.
 
 
 
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Metzler 
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 10:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] test
 
Hi All,
 
I am writing this message in the win10 mail app.
 
Regards, Gary kn4ox
 

 


Thats it bt sync enough

 

Hi all.

Well I tried yet again after the crash on shutdown to get the sync service working it said there was an error with one of my folders and I just don't know how to clear it.

It appears that that folder was the issue, and to be honest I will not have my system dammaged because bt sync service didn't want to exit.

There is obviously something wrong with the phonetones folders.

Sadly I have decided  to put a lid on this completely till someone can figure out something which will work for bt sync protocal and work properly.

I am no longer using bt sync I allready recomended people not use bt sync and well, now thats it, Happily most of my folders havn't updated in a while but if I loose it then I loose it.

The tv documentaries folder has a dropbox link and a password and I will use that.


Re: Eloquence&Vocalizer Gives NVDA A Real Screen Reader FeelToMe

John Isige
 

Ah, gotcha. It honestly wouldn't surprise me to see somebody try to
write a synth in html or such, so I figured I'd ask.

On 10/21/2017 18:06, Gene wrote:
No, I used the wrong term.  I should have said SAPI 5.  I was
confusing SAPI 5 with HTML5 because they are both associated with audio.
Gene
----- original Message-----
*From:* John Isige <mailto:gwynn@tds.net>
*Sent:* Saturday, October 21, 2017 5:55 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Eloquence&Vocalizer Gives NVDA A Real Screen
Reader FeelToMe

There's a version of Eloquence written in HTML?



Re: understanding the new win.

Randy Barnett <randy@...>
 

It is just called Mail. But you have to use a seprate ap for contacts that is called People and yet another app for appointments called Calender. Why have one app when you can have 3!
just type mail in the windows search box.
On 10/21/2017 10:02 PM, Karim Lakhani wrote:
Sorry I'm confused what is the default mail program on windows 10?
How does one get to it.
why did they stop using alt m for moving a folder?
Now it's V, that is not very easy to understand why.
I'm wondering how I can go to my hard drive and type a letter to get to the folder but instead I get a search box.
It's very annoying I'm having a hard time understanding why we keep changes things alt f to open a file instead of having to go through a extensive process, maybe it's me just becoming old and sick off change?
LOL!
 
 
 
$$$$
SKYPE: goldenace4
$$$$
Your reputation is in the hands of others. That's what a
reputation is. You can't control that. The only thing you
can control is your character.
- Wayne Walter Dyer (1940-)
 
 
 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 5:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

I use the mail app all the time, and I do the same thing.

CTRL+R and hitting alt twice, always does the trick.

You guys are right!

Thanks for clearing that up, because I love using the mail app, but it does have a few little kinks like that LOL!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 7:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Yes, that is what he was asking about. I'm glad I was able to clarify this for you.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 4:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Yes, and if that is what the person was asking about, that is good information.  If I were using the app, I'd use control r, then press alt twice, at least that's what I think I would do, not having used the program. 

 

Gene

----- Original message -----

Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 5:58 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Hi, Gene,

 

In the mail app, if you try typing something after hitting control R, you get a message that says something like "no document". You either have to shift tab to the subject line and tab back to the edit field for replying or hit the alt key and enter to hear the subject line.

 

I hope this clarifies things a little better for you.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 3:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

I know but what he said is that when he uses the command control r to reply, he doesn't hear the command spoken.  I'm saying that it doesn't matter if you hear the command control r spoken.  If he is discussing something else, what is it?  I don't use the mail app but until I hear further, I will assume that control r is the reply short cut command because that command is so standard in Windows e-mail programs.  Is there some other problem such as that when using the command, you don't hear something like the re subject line spoken to tell you that the command has been executed?

 

Gene

----- Original message -----

Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 5:17 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Hi, Gene,

 

With all due respect, the person asking the question is asking about the mail app which works a bit differently than other programs. He wasn't asking about windows live mail or other programs.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 2:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Why is the question being asked in the first place?  Unless you have NVDA set to speak keys such as control, shift, the arrow keys, etc. you won't hear such commands spoken at any time.  You know from the response of programs what is occurring.  If the reply message opens, NVDA will say something that will tell you that a reply message has opened.  If you hear nothing or somethin incorrect, you have issued the wrong command or the command didn't work properly.  When I issue a command that should result in something being spoken, I don't continue until I hear the start of the speech confirming the command.  If I do, I might start writing a message before the program is ready to receive it or take an action in another program before the program is ready to take the action.  Being excessively dependent on hearing keys announced and basing what you do on hearing keys announced rather than the response of Windows or the program you are working in isn't a good way to work with Windows or programs.  I don't have such keys announced, which is the default, because it wouldn't benefit me in any way to hear them announced.  Even if I did hear them announced, I wouldn't take actions until the program indicated that it was ready to have actions taken.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 4:07 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Hi, Gary,

 

What I did to hear the keys spoken was to hit the alt key. It says "lower ribbon reply control R". Then I hit enter on a message to reply and heard the keys spoken.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 1:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Thanks Rosemary.

I have a question.  When using the mail app and I reply to a message using ctrl r I don’t hear the keys spoken.  Is this normal behavior?  Thanks,

 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria

Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 1:31 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

I got it.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 10:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] test

 

Hi All,

 

I am writing this message in the win10 mail app.

 

Regards, Gary kn4ox

 

 


-- 
Sincerely: Randy Barnett
Owner of Soundtique.
Grants Pass, Or. 


understanding the new win.

Karim Lakhani <karim.lakhani@...>
 

Sorry I'm confused what is the default mail program on windows 10?
How does one get to it.
why did they stop using alt m for moving a folder?
Now it's V, that is not very easy to understand why.
I'm wondering how I can go to my hard drive and type a letter to get to the folder but instead I get a search box.
It's very annoying I'm having a hard time understanding why we keep changes things alt f to open a file instead of having to go through a extensive process, maybe it's me just becoming old and sick off change?
LOL!
 
 
 
EMAIL:karim.lakhani@...
$$$$
SKYPE: goldenace4
$$$$
Your reputation is in the hands of others. That's what a
reputation is. You can't control that. The only thing you
can control is your character.
- Wayne Walter Dyer (1940-)
 
 
 



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 5:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

I use the mail app all the time, and I do the same thing.

CTRL+R and hitting alt twice, always does the trick.

You guys are right!

Thanks for clearing that up, because I love using the mail app, but it does have a few little kinks like that LOL!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 7:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Yes, that is what he was asking about. I'm glad I was able to clarify this for you.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 4:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Yes, and if that is what the person was asking about, that is good information.  If I were using the app, I'd use control r, then press alt twice, at least that's what I think I would do, not having used the program. 

 

Gene

----- Original message -----

Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 5:58 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Hi, Gene,

 

In the mail app, if you try typing something after hitting control R, you get a message that says something like "no document". You either have to shift tab to the subject line and tab back to the edit field for replying or hit the alt key and enter to hear the subject line.

 

I hope this clarifies things a little better for you.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 3:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

I know but what he said is that when he uses the command control r to reply, he doesn't hear the command spoken.  I'm saying that it doesn't matter if you hear the command control r spoken.  If he is discussing something else, what is it?  I don't use the mail app but until I hear further, I will assume that control r is the reply short cut command because that command is so standard in Windows e-mail programs.  Is there some other problem such as that when using the command, you don't hear something like the re subject line spoken to tell you that the command has been executed?

 

Gene

----- Original message -----

Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 5:17 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Hi, Gene,

 

With all due respect, the person asking the question is asking about the mail app which works a bit differently than other programs. He wasn't asking about windows live mail or other programs.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 2:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Why is the question being asked in the first place?  Unless you have NVDA set to speak keys such as control, shift, the arrow keys, etc. you won't hear such commands spoken at any time.  You know from the response of programs what is occurring.  If the reply message opens, NVDA will say something that will tell you that a reply message has opened.  If you hear nothing or somethin incorrect, you have issued the wrong command or the command didn't work properly.  When I issue a command that should result in something being spoken, I don't continue until I hear the start of the speech confirming the command.  If I do, I might start writing a message before the program is ready to receive it or take an action in another program before the program is ready to take the action.  Being excessively dependent on hearing keys announced and basing what you do on hearing keys announced rather than the response of Windows or the program you are working in isn't a good way to work with Windows or programs.  I don't have such keys announced, which is the default, because it wouldn't benefit me in any way to hear them announced.  Even if I did hear them announced, I wouldn't take actions until the program indicated that it was ready to have actions taken.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 4:07 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Hi, Gary,

 

What I did to hear the keys spoken was to hit the alt key. It says "lower ribbon reply control R". Then I hit enter on a message to reply and heard the keys spoken.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 1:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Thanks Rosemary.

I have a question.  When using the mail app and I reply to a message using ctrl r I don’t hear the keys spoken.  Is this normal behavior?  Thanks,

 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria

Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 1:31 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

I got it.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 10:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] test

 

Hi All,

 

I am writing this message in the win10 mail app.

 

Regards, Gary kn4ox

 

 


Collapsing All Threads In The Mail App Windows 10

Earle Zwicker
 

I wanted to thank everyone for all of their suggestions for a mail app in Windows 10. I have decided to try the mail app in Windows 10 for now. I'm having one issue though. Does anyone know how I can collapse all message threads? I like my messages in threads, but I would like to have them all collapsed by default. Any help would be appreciated.

Earle

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Re: test

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Gene,

 

Yes, you do have to hit shift tab to hear the subject line. Then you tab back to the edit field where you'd type your message. I agree it would be nice if the mail app did what other email clients do.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 7:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Perhaps you have to do what Rosemary says in a later message, to hear anything spoken since, evidently, you have to leave and return to the window. So you may not get an indication that you are replying to a message without doing this.  If things worked properly, you would hear something. 

 

Gene 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 8:03 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Hi Gene,

 

I guess we take things for granted.  I just hit ctrl r to reply to this message and I didn’t hear it spoken. 

 

From: Gene

Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 5:33 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Why is the question being asked in the first place?  Unless you have NVDA set to speak keys such as control, shift, the arrow keys, etc. you won't hear such commands spoken at any time.  You know from the response of programs what is occurring.  If the reply message opens, NVDA will say something that will tell you that a reply message has opened.  If you hear nothing or somethin incorrect, you have issued the wrong command or the command didn't work properly.  When I issue a command that should result in something being spoken, I don't continue until I hear the start of the speech confirming the command.  If I do, I might start writing a message before the program is ready to receive it or take an action in another program before the program is ready to take the action.  Being excessively dependent on hearing keys announced and basing what you do on hearing keys announced rather than the response of Windows or the program you are working in isn't a good way to work with Windows or programs.  I don't have such keys announced, which is the default, because it wouldn't benefit me in any way to hear them announced.  Even if I did hear them announced, I wouldn't take actions until the program indicated that it was ready to have actions taken.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Rosemarie Chavarria

Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 4:07 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Hi, Gary,

 

What I did to hear the keys spoken was to hit the alt key. It says "lower ribbon reply control R". Then I hit enter on a message to reply and heard the keys spoken.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 1:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

Thanks Rosemary.

I have a question.  When using the mail app and I reply to a message using ctrl r I don’t hear the keys spoken.  Is this normal behavior?  Thanks,

 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria

Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 1:31 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] test

 

I got it.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 10:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] test

 

Hi All,

 

I am writing this message in the win10 mail app.

 

Regards, Gary kn4ox