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Re: Developers take note. Problem with espeak Warning test of how to crash espeak on Master branch.

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This is the version merged in snap
nvda_snapshot_master-14578,d63f4ed4.exe

See below for the demo. its been ticketed by somebody else saying Tamil string or character mutes nvda or something similar. But it seems this is also the case with English espeak. Prior to this snap this crash does not happen.
I mention it here as everyone seems busy with the next release and if this is an espeak issue it may need to be rolled back unless its an easy fix. I don't want to raise an issue as one exists, but I thought I'd mention it here where lots of folk are.

Don't worry when it freezes a restart of nvda will restore things if you are using a snapshot. Obviously prior releases will not get stuck. Nvda actually keeps working, its just that espeak is stuck scratching its head.
Brian
Not speech player in Espeak seems OK.
as do all other synths as they cannot switch to Tamil.
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So be careful again.

I think I may have pinpointed the symbol causing the issue (ள்):
IO - speech.speak
Speaking [u'\u0bb3\u0bcd\r\n']

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Hmm interesting that this worked here but on the list of issues it crashed espeak.
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Re: NVDA Problems with dynamic content

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It is activated and animations are off..

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 09.11.2017 um 16:39 schrieb Michal Rada <michal@...>:

And have you switched on screenreader support in Sharepoint web interface?

Michal


Dne 9.11.2017 v 10:20 Adriani Botez napsal(a):
Dear all,

we have recently implemented a share point solution at work. This includes a browser based portal which is customized. As we are a very international Company, there is a part on the Portal which contains dynamic Content. Specifically it contains the time zones of all places in the world where we are active. The time updates constantly and NVDA does not stop speaking. Animations in IE are turned of, dynamic Content in NVDA Settings as well. Jaws does not have this Problem. Here is what I get from NVDA Debug:


DEBUG - treeInterceptorHandler.update (09:56:27):

Adding new treeInterceptor to runningTable: <virtualBuffers.MSHTML.MSHTML object at 0x0539B7D0>

 

DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:32):

COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53e6cb0> already deleted

DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):

COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aad00> already deleted

DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):

COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aa940> already deleted

DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):

COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53e6760> already deleted

DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):

COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aa350> already deleted

DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):

COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aaee0> already deleted

 

MSHTML node has ancestor IAccessible: False

MSHTML nodeName: u'A'



Windows 8.1 64bit and NVDA 2017.2 is the set up.


Any suggestions how to fix it?



Thank you in advance.



Best

Adriani



Re: Warning test of how to crash espeak on Master branch.

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So if you used a snapshot build to read my last message I'm sorry about you having to restart nvda.
It seems to be the two characters together that does the damage then. This is on a ticket raised by somebody else, but I was rather surprised to see it mute espeak on these English machines. I suppose its because it tries to say something it cannot say?
Weird.
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So be careful again.

I think I may have pinpointed the symbol causing the issue (ள்):
IO - speech.speak
Speaking [u'\u0bb3\u0bcd\r\n']

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Hmm interesting that this worked here but on the list of issues it crashed espeak.
Sorry normal service now resumed. Brian

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Re: Warning test of how to crash espeak on Master branch.

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So be careful again.

I think I may have pinpointed the symbol causing the issue (ள்):
IO - speech.speak
Speaking [u'\u0bb3\u0bcd\r\n']

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Hmm interesting that this worked here but on the list of issues it crashed espeak.
Sorry normal service now resumed. Brian

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Re: NVDA Problems with dynamic content

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And have you switched on screenreader support in Sharepoint web interface?

Michal


Dne 9.11.2017 v 10:20 Adriani Botez napsal(a):

Dear all,

we have recently implemented a share point solution at work. This includes a browser based portal which is customized. As we are a very international Company, there is a part on the Portal which contains dynamic Content. Specifically it contains the time zones of all places in the world where we are active. The time updates constantly and NVDA does not stop speaking. Animations in IE are turned of, dynamic Content in NVDA Settings as well. Jaws does not have this Problem. Here is what I get from NVDA Debug:


DEBUG - treeInterceptorHandler.update (09:56:27):

Adding new treeInterceptor to runningTable: <virtualBuffers.MSHTML.MSHTML object at 0x0539B7D0>

 

DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:32):

COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53e6cb0> already deleted

DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):

COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aad00> already deleted

DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):

COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aa940> already deleted

DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):

COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53e6760> already deleted

DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):

COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aa350> already deleted

DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):

COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aaee0> already deleted

 

MSHTML node has ancestor IAccessible: False

MSHTML nodeName: u'A'



Windows 8.1 64bit and NVDA 2017.2 is the set up.


Any suggestions how to fix it?



Thank you in advance.



Best

Adriani



Re: NVDA and office 2016

Devin Prater
 

My biggest problem is that NVDA is rather sluggish when working in Microsoft Office 2016. I’ve sent a log file about it, and it mainly happens when arrowing around in Word.
Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor in Training
JAWS, Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint certified by World Services for the Blind



On Nov 9, 2017, at 9:36 AM, Michal Rada <michal@...> wrote:

Yes, but, there are some minor changes.

For example new quick search for menus, by ALT+2 keyboard

Unfortunatelly, in Word 2016, it does not speak comments curently. I dont know if there is bug of NVDA or in Word.

Michal


Dne 8.11.2017 v 23:42 Mary Otten napsal(a):
Hi all,
I was just looking on Jean‘s website, Accessibility central.net, and there was a tutorial there for using Microsoft Word with NVDA. It mentioned office 2013. I have a friend who uses a different screen reader, and he also uses 2013. Is 2016 accessible? I hope so, because that seems to be the currently available version.
Mary


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Re: NVDA and office 2016

Michal Rada
 

Yes, but, there are some minor changes.

For example new quick search for menus, by ALT+2 keyboard

Unfortunatelly, in Word 2016, it does not speak comments curently. I dont know if there is bug of NVDA or in Word.

Michal


Dne 8.11.2017 v 23:42 Mary Otten napsal(a):

Hi all,
I was just looking on Jean‘s website, Accessibility central.net, and there was a tutorial there for using Microsoft Word with NVDA. It mentioned office 2013. I have a friend who uses a different screen reader, and he also uses 2013. Is 2016 accessible? I hope so, because that seems to be the currently available version.
Mary


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Re: a question about some buttons on websites.

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Erm I have flash but ff seems to most times default to html 5 for me, for example BBC uses both but of late the html 5 stream always seems to be openeed.
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Here is more information. It appears the site allows use of both Flash and HTML5. I'd have to do more testing to find out which is the default. But I got a Flash stream when I used Firefox. Because I tested with XP, where browser versions aren't current, such as the ESR Firefox version, I'm not sure what stream others might get, but the button appears to work properly. I stayed in browse mode in Firefox and I used the space bar. You may have a problem where, for some reason, whatever format is being used with your browser on the site isn't being played by your system. Using a different browser may result in a different format being played or perhaps the other browser will play the format that isn't being played now.

Gene


From: Gene
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Subject: Re: [nvda] a question about some buttons on websites.


What browser are you using and are you using a current or reasonably current version? This is an HTML5 stream.

Because you discussed your guess that the button wasn't working or that something else had to be worked with, I didn't try activating the button in the most common way. I moved to the button, turned browse mode off, then I pressed enter on the button. The video played. I used Chrome for the test. Did you test with more than one browser? You should always test with at least two browsers when trouble shooting a problem where a web site doesn't do something or do it properly.

Gene
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Subject: [nvda] a question about some buttons on websites.


Hi friends. Ken here. I have recently found a new cartoons website and I’d love to watch them. There is a problem and I’m pretty sure it’s asn NVDA issue. On videos instead of it playing automaticly there is a start playback button. I hit it with enter, space bar and even move the mouse to focuse on it and nothing happens. I have noticed the same thing on submittion buttons on CD baby and a few other sites. It is as if there is something inside the button that NVDA can’t quite see. Can anyone on list take a look at www.b99.tv, search for the flintstones and pick any or the 169 search results and find out what is inside that button that NVDA can’t seem to focuse on and activate it. It identifies it as a button and as a playback button but can’t activate it.



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Chrome not asking to save passwords?

Matt Turner
 

Hi, subject says it all.

But a sited person says the save with smart lock shows up on the screen.


Re: Firefox 57 from an NVDA user's perspective - Marco's Accessibility Blog

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It should not have it checked as it did not exist in earlier versions at all. Might give it a try if somebody knows if the new release is around as a portable app so I don't have to upset my current working version.
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Maybe it only works properly first time when you start with a brand new profile, I don't know, I am only guessing.
At 04:34 AM 11/9/2017, you wrote:
So how come whe I downloaded it and installed it it just said unknown. the checkboxes had not been touched at all?
I think this is the main problem. some get it to work while others say only its menus do not also of course the show stopper for me is add ons as well.
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Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2017 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox 57 from an NVDA user's perspective - Marco's Accessibility Blog


Hi!
I just upgraded to beta 14 of Firefox 57 to get a first-hand impression of
the slowness, or performance issue, that seems to be plaguing early
adopters. While I agree that it seems to be slower where page loading and
general responsiveness are concerned, I also find that stability and
reliability are great, including complex web pages. It takes some getting
used to but isn't altogether an unpleasant experience as it is quite
deterministic.
Greetings,
Felix

Michel Such <michel.such@free.fr> schrieb am Di., 7. Nov. 2017 um 16:43 Uhr:

Very interesting article:

https://www.marcozehe.de/2017/11/07/firefox-57-nvda-users-perspective/


--


Michel Such






Re: a question about some buttons on websites.

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Yes I found I did not have to enter focus mode as you say it seems to default to html5 in firefox as well, even though I do have an active flsh in there.
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What browser are you using and are you using a current or reasonably current version? This is an HTML5 stream.

Because you discussed your guess that the button wasn't working or that something else had to be worked with, I didn't try activating the button in the most common way. I moved to the button, turned browse mode off, then I pressed enter on the button. The video played. I used Chrome for the test. Did you test with more than one browser? You should always test with at least two browsers when trouble shooting a problem where a web site doesn't do something or do it properly.

Gene
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Subject: [nvda] a question about some buttons on websites.


Hi friends. Ken here. I have recently found a new cartoons website and I’d love to watch them. There is a problem and I’m pretty sure it’s asn NVDA issue. On videos instead of it playing automaticly there is a start playback button. I hit it with enter, space bar and even move the mouse to focuse on it and nothing happens. I have noticed the same thing on submittion buttons on CD baby and a few other sites. It is as if there is something inside the button that NVDA can’t quite see. Can anyone on list take a look at www.b99.tv, search for the flintstones and pick any or the 169 search results and find out what is inside that button that NVDA can’t seem to focuse on and activate it. It identifies it as a button and as a playback button but can’t activate it.



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Re: a question about some buttons on websites.

Gene
 

Or there is another possibility.  Your browser may be asking you to allow Flash content.  As I recall, now both Firefox and Chrome ask for approval to run flash content every time it is encountered.  It's a security measure. 
 
Gene

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Subject: Re: [nvda] a question about some buttons on websites.

Here is more information.  It appears the site allows use of both Flash and HTML5.  I'd have to do more testing to find out which is the default.  But I got a Flash stream when I used Firefox.  Because I tested with XP, where browser versions aren't current, such as the ESR Firefox version, I'm not sure what stream others might get, but the button appears to work properly.  I stayed in browse mode in Firefox and I used the space bar.  You may have a problem where, for some reason, whatever format is being used with your browser on the site isn't being played by your system.  Using a different browser may result in a different format being played or perhaps the other browser will play the format that isn't being played now.
 
Gene

From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 8:04 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] a question about some buttons on websites.

What browser are you using and are you using a current or reasonably current version?  This is an HTML5 stream. 
 
Because you discussed your guess that the button wasn't working or that something else had to be worked with, I didn't try activating the button in the most common way.  I moved to the button, turned browse mode off, then I pressed enter on the button.  The video played.  I used Chrome for the test.  Did you test with more than one browser?  You should always test with at least two browsers when trouble shooting a problem where a web site doesn't do something or do it properly.
 
Gene
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Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 7:13 AM
Subject: [nvda] a question about some buttons on websites.

Hi friends. Ken here. I have recently found a new cartoons website and I’d love to watch them.  There is a problem and I’m pretty sure it’s asn NVDA issue.  On videos instead of it playing automaticly there is a start playback button.  I hit it with enter, space bar and even move the mouse to focuse on it and  nothing happens.  I have noticed the same thing on submittion buttons on CD baby and a few other sites.  It  is as if there is something inside the button that NVDA can’t quite see.  Can anyone on list take a look at www.b99.tv, search for the flintstones and pick any or the 169 search results and find out what is inside that button that NVDA can’t seem to focuse on and activate it.  It identifies it as a button and as a playback button but can’t activate it. 

 

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Re: NVDA Problems with dynamic content

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I'm sure this has been discussed but it seems there are many ways for this sort of thing to happen.
As I say, some screenreaders also have anti stutter for this as well as often scrolling changing content can sound very odd indeed.
Baisically what is needed is to somehow get the buffer you are in disconnected from the active page till you click something.
Brian

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Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Problems with dynamic content


Adriani,


That's exactly the issue. NVDA doesn't have a way to stop refresh of
some dynamic areas, which is superannoying, because it doesn't give you
time to read or act on the given area.

This has been going on forever, and apparently no solution is in view.
Or is it?

Ciao,

Ollie





Il 09/11/2017 14:01, Adriani Botez ha scritto:
the Problem is, the page does not refresh itself. It's just the Region where time zones stay up to date. But NVDA speaks every update. Even if I Change the Windows or even when I am typing this E-Mail. How to stop it?

Please have a look at the debug which I have posted here.


Best
Adriani

2017-11-09 13:39 GMT+01:00 Gene <gsasner@ripco.com <mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>>:

I'm not sure just What you have in mind. Should NVDA give the
user more control of what is spoken? Can't this already be done
by a combination of the dynamic content setting and land mark
settings in the browser? What do other screen-readers do better?
If you are talking about situations where pages refresh, JAWS, the
only other screen-reader I'm familiar with in current production
where this behavior can be regulated, allows you to turn page
refreshes off but it can't stop all page refreshes. Firefox has a
setting that stops all refreshes and notifies the user when a page
wants to refresh, requiring manual permission.
This appears to me to be something the browser should be able to
be set to control.
We've seen discussion recently about an expanding newer paradigm
that screen-readers should receive accessibility information from
the browser as the main means of access. This would seem to me to
go along with the newer paradigm.
Gene
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*Sent:* Thursday, November 09, 2017 3:59 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] NVDA Problems with dynamic content


Hello,


Disabling scripts doesn't always help, because it may cause other
issues
on certain sites.


I honestly think NVDA should do something radical about solving the
dynamic content issue, either within the screen reader itself, or
through an add-on.


If other screen readers can handle it, I'm sure NVDA can too.


Sorry, I can't code... I'd love to help otherwise.
Ciao, and thanks for all the great work the community is doing all
the time.
Ollie





Il 09/11/2017 10:30, zahra ha scritto:
> hello.
> can you please tell me how to turn off or on dynamic content i nvda?
> i did not find such setting!
> i desable javascript, and any other script or active x, etc.
> hope that help, God bless you all.
>
> On 11/9/17, Adriani Botez <adriani.botez@gmail.com
<mailto:adriani.botez@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> Dear all,
>>
>> we have recently implemented a share point solution at work.
This includes
>> a browser based portal which is customized. As we are a very
international
>> Company, there is a part on the Portal which contains dynamic
Content.
>> Specifically it contains the time zones of all places in the
world where we
>> are active. The time updates constantly and NVDA does not stop
speaking.
>> Animations in IE are turned of, dynamic Content in NVDA
Settings as well.
>> Jaws does not have this Problem. Here is what I get from NVDA
Debug:
>>
>>
>> DEBUG - treeInterceptorHandler.update (09:56:27):
>>
>> Adding new treeInterceptor to runningTable:
<virtualBuffers.MSHTML.MSHTML
>> object at 0x0539B7D0>
>>
>>
>>
>> DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:32):
>>
>> COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53e6cb0>
already deleted
>>
>> DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):
>>
>> COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aad00>
already deleted
>>
>> DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):
>>
>> COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aa940>
already deleted
>>
>> DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):
>>
>> COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53e6760>
already deleted
>>
>> DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):
>>
>> COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aa350>
already deleted
>>
>> DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):
>>
>> COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aaee0>
already deleted
>>
>>
>>
>> MSHTML node has ancestor IAccessible: False
>>
>> MSHTML nodeName: u'A'
>>
>>
>>
>> Windows 8.1 64bit and NVDA 2017.2 is the set up.
>>
>>
>> Any suggestions how to fix it?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you in advance.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best
>>
>> Adriani
>>
>





Re: a question about some buttons on websites.

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I tried springtime for Pluto and it worked fine in Firefox 52. Just went b twice to the play button and hit space on it.
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 1:13 PM
Subject: [nvda] a question about some buttons on websites.


Hi friends. Ken here. I have recently found a new cartoons website and I’d love to watch them. There is a problem and I’m pretty sure it’s asn NVDA issue. On videos instead of it playing automaticly there is a start playback button. I hit it with enter, space bar and even move the mouse to focuse on it and nothing happens. I have noticed the same thing on submittion buttons on CD baby and a few other sites. It is as if there is something inside the button that NVDA can’t quite see. Can anyone on list take a look at www.b99.tv, search for the flintstones and pick any or the 169 search results and find out what is inside that button that NVDA can’t seem to focuse on and activate it. It identifies it as a button and as a playback button but can’t activate it.

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Re: a question about some buttons on websites.

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It could be an inaccessible flash button, I've seen or rather not seen those before. I guess they might think why would the blind want to watch a cartoon, but it does seem strange with the html 5 functionality now working well.
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 1:13 PM
Subject: [nvda] a question about some buttons on websites.


Hi friends. Ken here. I have recently found a new cartoons website and I’d love to watch them. There is a problem and I’m pretty sure it’s asn NVDA issue. On videos instead of it playing automaticly there is a start playback button. I hit it with enter, space bar and even move the mouse to focuse on it and nothing happens. I have noticed the same thing on submittion buttons on CD baby and a few other sites. It is as if there is something inside the button that NVDA can’t quite see. Can anyone on list take a look at www.b99.tv, search for the flintstones and pick any or the 169 search results and find out what is inside that button that NVDA can’t seem to focuse on and activate it. It identifies it as a button and as a playback button but can’t activate it.

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Re: Access32 addon

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So where is it hosted exactly? I don't know much about Window Eyees. I do know that for example there used to be an add on for nvda for SAM from Dolphin that allowed dolphin synths to be used, and as sam is freeware then this was fine as you had to buy their products to get the voices then they did not really lose out.
However one issue we are probably going to see about add ons is that the next versions of NVDA are going to require add on changes to work correctly and some of the original authors have moved on so who will update them?

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 2:22 PM
Subject: [nvda] Access32 addon


So early on in my switch to NVDA from Window Eyes I asked about the availability of a Syn for NVDA similar to the Access 32 speech syn I was using with Window Eyes. Someone sent me a link to the Access 32 addon for NVDA. I am somewhat confused now as to whether this is a legal addon for NVDA. It appears that it was somehow derived from the Access 32 syn from GW Micro. Anyone got any history on the Access 32 speech syn addon for NVDA?
Thanks



Re: NVDA Problems with dynamic content

Gene
 

You can use a firefox add on like no script but that may be more fooling around than you want to do and since it is a work situation, I doubt you can put it on your machine, but you might want to ask.  Then, there is another possible proboem.  I don't know if no script is being updated in time to work without an interruption when the quantum version of firefox comes out in about ninew days.
 
You can turn JAVA script off in the browser but then you'd have to turn it on again when you aren't working with the page.
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 8:27 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Problems with dynamic content

I have also looked at advanced browser settings. It should not update content automatically. But though it does. I need java script for several actions on other pages. Is it possible to turn java off just for a particular webpage of a website? It is surprising that jaws does not have this problem.


Best
Adriani

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 09.11.2017 um 15:20 schrieb Adriani Botez <adriani.botez@...>:

Thank you alot for all suggestions. Unfortunately the problem still continues to exist. It is driving me crazy to hear this all the time. I will have to create an issue. Hopefully it gets solved soon.


Best
Adriani

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 09.11.2017 um 14:45 schrieb Gene <gsasner@...>:

Have you looked in advanced settings in options for the check box that says Warn me when websites try to redirect or reload the page?  You probably have and it may have no bearing on this problem.  If you turn off JAVA script support, you will be able to look at the page without part of it updating but you may not be able to do what you want on the page.  But if you want to see what is there just to see what you haven't seen on that part of the page, that's an option.  Or you could select all, copy it to the clipboard and look at it in a word processor or Notepad.  But again, this is to look at the content of the page and I don't know if there is any way to interact with any part of the page when using a word processor.  I discussed the landmarks setting in another message but I have no idea if that will help and I suspect you've already tried it.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 7:05 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Problems with dynamic content

This may be a problem with announcing landmarks or a related setting.  Look for the report landmarks setting in the document presentation dialog and try unchecking it.  I don't know if that will help but you might as well try changing it.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 7:01 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Problems with dynamic content

the Problem is, the page does not refresh itself. It's just the Region where time zones stay up to date. But NVDA speaks every update. Even if I Change the Windows or even when I am typing this E-Mail. How to stop it?

Please have a look at the debug which I have posted here.


Best
Adriani

2017-11-09 13:39 GMT+01:00 Gene <gsasner@...>:
I'm not sure just What you have in mind.  Should NVDA give the user more control of what is spoken?  Can't this already be done by a combination of the dynamic content setting and land mark settings in the browser?  What do other screen-readers do better? 
 
If you are talking about situations where pages refresh, JAWS, the only other screen-reader I'm familiar with in current production where this behavior can be regulated, allows you to turn page refreshes off but it can't stop all page refreshes.  Firefox has a setting that stops all refreshes and notifies the user when a page wants to refresh, requiring manual permission. 
This appears to me to be something the browser should be able to be set to control. 
 
We've seen discussion recently about an expanding  newer paradigm that screen-readers should receive accessibility information from the browser as the main means of access.  This would seem to me to go along with the newer paradigm.
Gene
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Mallard
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 3:59 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Problems with dynamic content


Hello,


Disabling scripts doesn't always help, because it may cause other issues
on certain sites.


I honestly think NVDA should do something radical about solving the
dynamic content issue, either within the screen reader itself, or
through an add-on.


If other screen readers can handle it, I'm sure NVDA can too.


Sorry, I can't code... I'd love to help otherwise.
Ciao, and thanks for all the great work the community is doing all the time.
Ollie





Il 09/11/2017 10:30, zahra ha scritto:
> hello.
> can you please tell me how to turn off or on dynamic content i nvda?
> i did not find such setting!
> i desable javascript, and any other script or active x, etc.
> hope that help, God bless you all.
>
> On 11/9/17, Adriani Botez <adriani.botez@...> wrote:
>> Dear all,
>>
>> we have recently implemented a share point solution at work. This includes
>> a browser based portal which is customized. As we are a very international
>> Company, there is a part on the Portal which contains dynamic Content.
>> Specifically it contains the time zones of all places in the world where we
>> are active. The time updates constantly and NVDA does not stop speaking.
>> Animations in IE are turned of, dynamic Content in NVDA Settings as well.
>> Jaws does not have this Problem. Here is what I get from NVDA Debug:
>>
>>
>> DEBUG - treeInterceptorHandler.update (09:56:27):
>>
>> Adding new treeInterceptor to runningTable: <virtualBuffers.MSHTML.MSHTML
>> object at 0x0539B7D0>
>>
>>
>>
>> DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:32):
>>
>> COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53e6cb0> already deleted
>>
>> DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):
>>
>> COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aad00> already deleted
>>
>> DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):
>>
>> COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aa940> already deleted
>>
>> DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):
>>
>> COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53e6760> already deleted
>>
>> DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):
>>
>> COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aa350> already deleted
>>
>> DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):
>>
>> COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aaee0> already deleted
>>
>>
>>
>> MSHTML node has ancestor IAccessible: False
>>
>> MSHTML nodeName: u'A'
>>
>>
>>
>> Windows 8.1 64bit and NVDA 2017.2 is the set up.
>>
>>
>> Any suggestions how to fix it?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you in advance.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best
>>
>> Adriani
>>
>





Re: NVDA Problems with dynamic content

Gene
 

I meant document formatting.  Sorry about the error.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 8:14 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Problems with dynamic content

I don‘t find such a setting in presentation dialog.  In document formating dialog landmarks and frames are unchecked.

Best
Adriani


Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 09.11.2017 um 14:05 schrieb Gene <gsasner@...>:

This may be a problem with announcing landmarks or a related setting.  Look for the report landmarks setting in the document presentation dialog and try unchecking it.  I don't know if that will help but you might as well try changing it.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 7:01 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Problems with dynamic content

the Problem is, the page does not refresh itself. It's just the Region where time zones stay up to date. But NVDA speaks every update. Even if I Change the Windows or even when I am typing this E-Mail. How to stop it?

Please have a look at the debug which I have posted here.


Best
Adriani

2017-11-09 13:39 GMT+01:00 Gene <gsasner@...>:
I'm not sure just What you have in mind.  Should NVDA give the user more control of what is spoken?  Can't this already be done by a combination of the dynamic content setting and land mark settings in the browser?  What do other screen-readers do better? 
 
If you are talking about situations where pages refresh, JAWS, the only other screen-reader I'm familiar with in current production where this behavior can be regulated, allows you to turn page refreshes off but it can't stop all page refreshes.  Firefox has a setting that stops all refreshes and notifies the user when a page wants to refresh, requiring manual permission. 
This appears to me to be something the browser should be able to be set to control. 
 
We've seen discussion recently about an expanding  newer paradigm that screen-readers should receive accessibility information from the browser as the main means of access.  This would seem to me to go along with the newer paradigm.
Gene
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Mallard
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 3:59 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Problems with dynamic content


Hello,


Disabling scripts doesn't always help, because it may cause other issues
on certain sites.


I honestly think NVDA should do something radical about solving the
dynamic content issue, either within the screen reader itself, or
through an add-on.


If other screen readers can handle it, I'm sure NVDA can too.


Sorry, I can't code... I'd love to help otherwise.
Ciao, and thanks for all the great work the community is doing all the time.
Ollie





Il 09/11/2017 10:30, zahra ha scritto:
> hello.
> can you please tell me how to turn off or on dynamic content i nvda?
> i did not find such setting!
> i desable javascript, and any other script or active x, etc.
> hope that help, God bless you all.
>
> On 11/9/17, Adriani Botez <adriani.botez@...> wrote:
>> Dear all,
>>
>> we have recently implemented a share point solution at work. This includes
>> a browser based portal which is customized. As we are a very international
>> Company, there is a part on the Portal which contains dynamic Content.
>> Specifically it contains the time zones of all places in the world where we
>> are active. The time updates constantly and NVDA does not stop speaking.
>> Animations in IE are turned of, dynamic Content in NVDA Settings as well.
>> Jaws does not have this Problem. Here is what I get from NVDA Debug:
>>
>>
>> DEBUG - treeInterceptorHandler.update (09:56:27):
>>
>> Adding new treeInterceptor to runningTable: <virtualBuffers.MSHTML.MSHTML
>> object at 0x0539B7D0>
>>
>>
>>
>> DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:32):
>>
>> COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53e6cb0> already deleted
>>
>> DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):
>>
>> COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aad00> already deleted
>>
>> DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):
>>
>> COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aa940> already deleted
>>
>> DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):
>>
>> COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53e6760> already deleted
>>
>> DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):
>>
>> COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aa350> already deleted
>>
>> DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):
>>
>> COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aaee0> already deleted
>>
>>
>>
>> MSHTML node has ancestor IAccessible: False
>>
>> MSHTML nodeName: u'A'
>>
>>
>>
>> Windows 8.1 64bit and NVDA 2017.2 is the set up.
>>
>>
>> Any suggestions how to fix it?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you in advance.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best
>>
>> Adriani
>>
>





Re: a question about some buttons on websites.

Gene
 

Here is more information.  It appears the site allows use of both Flash and HTML5.  I'd have to do more testing to find out which is the default.  But I got a Flash stream when I used Firefox.  Because I tested with XP, where browser versions aren't current, such as the ESR Firefox version, I'm not sure what stream others might get, but the button appears to work properly.  I stayed in browse mode in Firefox and I used the space bar.  You may have a problem where, for some reason, whatever format is being used with your browser on the site isn't being played by your system.  Using a different browser may result in a different format being played or perhaps the other browser will play the format that isn't being played now.
 
Gene

From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 8:04 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] a question about some buttons on websites.

What browser are you using and are you using a current or reasonably current version?  This is an HTML5 stream. 
 
Because you discussed your guess that the button wasn't working or that something else had to be worked with, I didn't try activating the button in the most common way.  I moved to the button, turned browse mode off, then I pressed enter on the button.  The video played.  I used Chrome for the test.  Did you test with more than one browser?  You should always test with at least two browsers when trouble shooting a problem where a web site doesn't do something or do it properly.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 7:13 AM
Subject: [nvda] a question about some buttons on websites.

Hi friends. Ken here. I have recently found a new cartoons website and I’d love to watch them.  There is a problem and I’m pretty sure it’s asn NVDA issue.  On videos instead of it playing automaticly there is a start playback button.  I hit it with enter, space bar and even move the mouse to focuse on it and  nothing happens.  I have noticed the same thing on submittion buttons on CD baby and a few other sites.  It  is as if there is something inside the button that NVDA can’t quite see.  Can anyone on list take a look at www.b99.tv, search for the flintstones and pick any or the 169 search results and find out what is inside that button that NVDA can’t seem to focuse on and activate it.  It identifies it as a button and as a playback button but can’t activate it. 

 

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Re: Firefox 57 from an NVDA user's perspective - Marco's Accessibility Blog

Stephen
 

Maybe it only works properly first time when you start with a brand new profile, I don't know, I am only guessing.

At 04:34 AM 11/9/2017, you wrote:
So how come whe I downloaded it and installed it it just said unknown. the checkboxes had not been touched at all?
I think this is the main problem. some get it to work while others say only its menus do not also of course the show stopper for me is add ons as well.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Felix G." <constantlyvariable@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2017 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox 57 from an NVDA user's perspective - Marco's Accessibility Blog


Hi!
I just upgraded to beta 14 of Firefox 57 to get a first-hand impression of
the slowness, or performance issue, that seems to be plaguing early
adopters. While I agree that it seems to be slower where page loading and
general responsiveness are concerned, I also find that stability and
reliability are great, including complex web pages. It takes some getting
used to but isn't altogether an unpleasant experience as it is quite
deterministic.
Greetings,
Felix

Michel Such <michel.such@free.fr> schrieb am Di., 7. Nov. 2017 um 16:43 Uhr:

Very interesting article:

https://www.marcozehe.de/2017/11/07/firefox-57-nvda-users-perspective/


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Michel Such