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Re: Some suggest for future nvda

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Yews but many years ago I suggested an alternative way, that ran like tabs on many other programs do. This would have been my choice. It should not stop the keyboard shortcuts from bringing up the dialogue with that selected sheet to the focus, but might make it easier then to move to other sheets from that one for those who want to work that way.
I see very few down sides to it myself, as long as you protect the hottkeys already defined.
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From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@gmail.com>
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Sent: Monday, October 23, 2017 6:39 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some suggest for future nvda


I like the NVDA menu the way it is. Like the old saying goes, if it ain't
broke, don't fix it.



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Alexander Masic
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2017 1:51 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Some suggest for future nvda

Hi.

Now When Jamie has change to another work, I hope there will be some space
for new thinking and redesign. Even if i really like nvda very mutch, and
you devs are doing a fantastic good jobb in general. However there is a few
things wich iritate my mutch. And most imprtant is how the menu-system are
organised. I would like to se menu scructure organized in fleaks wich i can
toggle betwean by arrow-keys. If i made an reinstallation of NVDA then I am
able to made all settings at once.
As it is today, you must do the settings in a one section, then press ok,
opend menu again and go to next and so on. This is a little old fasion.

So I hope that new leadership for nvda will also bring some new thinking. I
am also glad to se that older windows longer will not be supported. Because
this older windows is virusmashin, and by supporting them, NVDA is also
encurage spread of virus.

So i'll wish the new leader good luck, and looking forward to se little new
way thinking.







Re: safe mode

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I think it could be done, but as I said in the last thread on this, only about a week back (note please read back before starting a new thread) the more you patch the registry of safe mode to load drivers the less of a safe mode it actually is!
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Sent: Monday, October 23, 2017 6:31 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] safe mode


No. And it will never work. No audo drivers can be loaded only display drivers.

Take care

On Oct 23, 2017, at 3:39 AM, Holger Fiallo <hfiallo@rcn.com> wrote:

Does NVDA, narrator or jaws works in safe mode? Can not delete avast and the only way to uninstall it is by going to safe mode.


Holger Fiallo


Re: Some suggest for future nvda

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Joseph read my comments in the last post on the worries of this.
I am not sure what you mean about the dropping of support. What I personally do not want is for programs such as Outlook express to be dropped as app modules. I and others value being able to use it in later windows and although live mail is also a dead thing, many use it successfully and it borrows a lot from Outlook express.
So I'm saying don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. In my view, the code overhead is probably worth it, and also in a program as complex as nvda, many unexpected issues will suddenly pop out of the woodwork as the assumption that a piece of code is redundant, might actually not be true. Look at the library that was removed when you did away with the nvda Service for example. its tiny as code but may well be there for a reason.
Many of us use older software on newer systems, particularly windows 7 as it is enough like xp to cooperate well with them, or be easy to patch.
I think its easy for people in the development side of a piece of software to accidentally fall into the elitist trenches, when in fact there is no need to go down that route as there are enough challenges going on trying to keep up with Microsofts changes as it is. Focus on those and keeping it reliable, leave removing bits until there is a quiet period or the reliability might be jeopardised. in my view. I've seen it happen back when I was a younger person!
Not having a moan, just trying to give the benefit of hindsight as we were all young once.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2017 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some suggest for future nvda


Hi,
Preferences dialog: someone in Europe is actually working on this as we speak.
Old Windows versions: I am working on mapping out the plan to drop support for old Windows releases (not just words, but in source code). As for viruses and old Windows releases, in some ways, there is some correlation but not much (it is up to users to stay vigilant).
As for new leadership: NV Access is here to stay. One noticeable change is decentralization of the development expertise, with more third-party contributions being integrated.
Cheers,
Joseph

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Sent: Monday, October 23, 2017 5:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some suggest for future nvda

Hi, there is special addon in which you can set all settings in one place, as Control center in Jaws. You may install it and enjoy it, its cool and verry usefull method of setting all.

Odesláno z iPhonu

23. 10. 2017 v 10:51, Alexander Masic <list@masic.se>:

Hi.

Now When Jamie has change to another work, I hope there will be some space for new thinking and redesign. Even if i really like nvda very mutch, and you devs are doing a fantastic good jobb in general. However there is a few things wich iritate my mutch. And most imprtant is how the menu-system are organised. I would like to se menu scructure organized in fleaks wich i can toggle betwean by arrow-keys. If i made an reinstallation of NVDA then I am able to made all settings at once. As it is today, you must do the settings in a one section, then press ok, opend menu again and go to next and so on. This is a little old fasion.

So I hope that new leadership for nvda will also bring some new thinking. I am also glad to se that older windows longer will not be supported. Because this older windows is virusmashin, and by supporting them, NVDA is also encurage spread of virus.

So i'll wish the new leader good luck, and looking forward to se little new way thinking.





Re: Some suggest for future nvda

Gene
 

Despite all the hype about Windows 10, one reason I haven't upgraded my Windows 7 computer is because I want to control it, not cede control of it to Microsoft.  While there are arguments that can be made that people benefit in general by having forced updates, and maybe people in general do, that doesn't mean that I do as an individual and especially as an individual blind person.  I believe that security updates should probably be forced.  Other updates that aren't really necessary, should not be. 
 
At some point, when I buy a new computer, igt will come with Windows 10.  But I won't upgrade a computer that works well and gives me no problems that amount to anything and maybe have new and unanticipated problems and lose control over updates. 
Gene
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Some suggest for future nvda

I feel your pain. I think that xp is still viable but of course the old nvda
is fine for that as not much new stuff will work on it. Although I have a 64
bit win 7 machine I do find people looking down their nose at me for being
old fashioned a bit too much sometimes. Whose computer keeps working, and
whose does not, Exactly win ten users suddenly lose a working bit of
software due to changes in the latest version inadvertently screwing up
something else.
 I personally feel that while constant development is good, the current
model of using users as testers is not good if those users are working for a
living. I personally don't care too much, I'm retired but do some work for a
charity as well so I need one reliable machine, the rest well they can be
toys as somebody suggested but in my case the working one is what the  first
adopters call a toy, and vice versa!
 Who is the fool?
 Brian

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From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2017 10:28 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some suggest for future nvda


> Well to be honest, I think older windows should be supported till they are
> no longer viable.
>
> Xp and vista are no longer viable.
>
> win7 still is supported at least for 3 years and after that till it
> becomes no longer viable well.
>
> The older systems should be supported till 32 bit oses actually die at any
> rate.
>
> A lot of 32 bit programs still exist, a lot of purely 64 bit ones exist
> to, a lot more.
>
> However 32 bit programs are being made still.
>
> Do it to slowly and well its a drag.
>
> Do it to quickly and it would be like me upgrading jaws from home to pro.
>
> You need to rebuy your jaws licence to use your next version of windows 10
> and we won'
>
> 't support windows 10 because its now updated.
>
> As a result people would pirate jaws and windows 10 to get the support.
>
> WHat I am trying to say there is a fine line from being secure and a line
> from driving people away from business.
>
> I have worked with several software packages and other systems touting
> that newer stuff would be support and either changing quickly or doing it
> in a rush.
>
> Usually it works mostly the users grumble but get used to it in a fashion.
>
> I have had it fail about 3 times in my life time.
>
> Once it was me, this new package worked but windows stopped working, I had
> to reformat a 3 computer network.
>
> In another time a friend got a virus and decided to use the recomended
> repair solution.
>
> Lets see, sure the virus was gone but 50 conflicting security programs and
> tools creating over 500gb of junk files slowed his system so much that I
> had to first remove all that security system, and reinstall something that
> worked, then have the system on for 2 days straight cleaning junk files.
>
> I then had to repair the dammage that was caused by said software and was
> lucky it was not a reformat though it was close.
>
> On another case of someone holding back, my cousin got infected with
> ransomware because he just let his antivirus subscription norton expire.
>
> He didn't mean to but he did.
>
> I was able to fix it, but in the end he needed everything including his
> bios refreshed and a new system installed.
>
> However after that experience he switched to avast because well things
> just didn't work.
>
> Even when things should work I have had a user after trying to update turn
> off his system or have a power cut during an update.
>
> He had to reformat and lost his files well some of them on win10 and he is
> back on xp now.
>
> Point is supporting older users doesn't promote a virus, we are not vfo be
> happy we are not.
>
>
>
>
> On 23/10/2017 9:51 p.m., Alexander Masic wrote:
>> Hi.
>>
>> Now When Jamie has change to another work, I hope there will be some
>> space for new thinking and redesign. Even if i really like nvda very
>> mutch, and you devs are doing a fantastic good jobb in general. However
>> there is a few things wich iritate my mutch. And most imprtant is how the
>> menu-system are organised. I would like to se menu scructure organized in
>> fleaks wich i can toggle betwean by arrow-keys. If i made an
>> reinstallation of NVDA then I am able to made all settings at once. As it
>> is today, you must do the settings in a one section, then press ok, opend
>> menu again and go to next and so on. This is a little old fasion.
>>
>> So I hope that new leadership for nvda will also bring some new thinking.
>> I am also glad to se that older windows longer will not be supported.
>> Because this older windows is virusmashin, and by supporting them, NVDA
>> is also encurage spread of virus.
>>
>> So i'll wish the new leader good luck, and looking forward to se little
>> new way thinking.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>




Re: Some suggest for future nvda

 

Hello, I also have a suggestion for future NVDA releases. A repair option in the installation process might be useful, I'll tell you why. Someone has one or more problems with NVDA and wants to fix them without uninstalling.
Someone wrote in the Romanian community that NVDA does lag when he's typing something. I told him to return to the default configuration and this worked for him But, another person contacted me privately to ttell me that NVDA has a strange behavior. When navigating on Skype or browsers with tab, it says "unknown" instead of reading the content. He reseted the configuration, uninstalled the add-ons, restarted NVDA several times, but no result. I told him to reinstall NVDA.
So, a repair option is required in this case. As I remember, JAWS has this option in the installation wizard. I haven't used it for a long time.
That's over for now. What do you think about my suggestion?
Cheers,
Florian


Re: safe mode

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Not unless you modify the registry to load generic sound drivers for your chosen sound method, like a usb headset for example.
To be honest. Get a sighted person in to do it. and never lit Avast darken your doors again.
Brian

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From: "Holger Fiallo" <hfiallo@rcn.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2017 11:39 AM
Subject: [nvda] safe mode


Does NVDA, narrator or jaws works in safe mode? Can not delete avast and the only way to uninstall it is by going to safe mode.


Holger Fiallo


Re: Some suggest for future nvda

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I feel your pain. I think that xp is still viable but of course the old nvda is fine for that as not much new stuff will work on it. Although I have a 64 bit win 7 machine I do find people looking down their nose at me for being old fashioned a bit too much sometimes. Whose computer keeps working, and whose does not, Exactly win ten users suddenly lose a working bit of software due to changes in the latest version inadvertently screwing up something else.
I personally feel that while constant development is good, the current model of using users as testers is not good if those users are working for a living. I personally don't care too much, I'm retired but do some work for a charity as well so I need one reliable machine, the rest well they can be toys as somebody suggested but in my case the working one is what the first adopters call a toy, and vice versa!
Who is the fool?
Brian

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From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2017 10:28 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some suggest for future nvda


Well to be honest, I think older windows should be supported till they are no longer viable.

Xp and vista are no longer viable.

win7 still is supported at least for 3 years and after that till it becomes no longer viable well.

The older systems should be supported till 32 bit oses actually die at any rate.

A lot of 32 bit programs still exist, a lot of purely 64 bit ones exist to, a lot more.

However 32 bit programs are being made still.

Do it to slowly and well its a drag.

Do it to quickly and it would be like me upgrading jaws from home to pro.

You need to rebuy your jaws licence to use your next version of windows 10 and we won'

't support windows 10 because its now updated.

As a result people would pirate jaws and windows 10 to get the support.

WHat I am trying to say there is a fine line from being secure and a line from driving people away from business.

I have worked with several software packages and other systems touting that newer stuff would be support and either changing quickly or doing it in a rush.

Usually it works mostly the users grumble but get used to it in a fashion.

I have had it fail about 3 times in my life time.

Once it was me, this new package worked but windows stopped working, I had to reformat a 3 computer network.

In another time a friend got a virus and decided to use the recomended repair solution.

Lets see, sure the virus was gone but 50 conflicting security programs and tools creating over 500gb of junk files slowed his system so much that I had to first remove all that security system, and reinstall something that worked, then have the system on for 2 days straight cleaning junk files.

I then had to repair the dammage that was caused by said software and was lucky it was not a reformat though it was close.

On another case of someone holding back, my cousin got infected with ransomware because he just let his antivirus subscription norton expire.

He didn't mean to but he did.

I was able to fix it, but in the end he needed everything including his bios refreshed and a new system installed.

However after that experience he switched to avast because well things just didn't work.

Even when things should work I have had a user after trying to update turn off his system or have a power cut during an update.

He had to reformat and lost his files well some of them on win10 and he is back on xp now.

Point is supporting older users doesn't promote a virus, we are not vfo be happy we are not.




On 23/10/2017 9:51 p.m., Alexander Masic wrote:
Hi.

Now When Jamie has change to another work, I hope there will be some space for new thinking and redesign. Even if i really like nvda very mutch, and you devs are doing a fantastic good jobb in general. However there is a few things wich iritate my mutch. And most imprtant is how the menu-system are organised. I would like to se menu scructure organized in fleaks wich i can toggle betwean by arrow-keys. If i made an reinstallation of NVDA then I am able to made all settings at once. As it is today, you must do the settings in a one section, then press ok, opend menu again and go to next and so on. This is a little old fasion.

So I hope that new leadership for nvda will also bring some new thinking. I am also glad to se that older windows longer will not be supported. Because this older windows is virusmashin, and by supporting them, NVDA is also encurage spread of virus.

So i'll wish the new leader good luck, and looking forward to se little new way thinking.






Re: Some suggest for future nvda

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There has been work going on for some time to put all the settings property sheets on one tabbed page.
its not a trivial thing to do, as some interact with others, such as the synths and voices for example, but it is progressing but I'd suspect this may well only really be viable when the next generation of Python is in use for the main code.


Just saying what I've seen going on from messages.
I'm sure the developers will come along and make it more clear.
My one main worry since Jamie went is the division of work and who is checking whose work. Work is going on in a lot of areas and merely viewing from the sidelines as I am, I am just a bit worried that the number of changes occurring at once from different authors may outstrip the current paid team to check them all in a timely manner for the next release.

I'd for example like to see the ability to allow sharing of files like dictionaries and symbols, so we can benefit from others customisation and of course put the originals back if we do not like the changes.

It would aid a lot of people who cannot figure out Regular Expressions, if a merge was available so others findings cold be simply imported to your own copy of nvda.
I see updates of add ons being worked on as well as updates for the latest version of windows 10, Sadly what I do not see is Microsoft stopping mucking up working features when they change or 'improve ' things. it must make screenreader writers go prematurely bald. its as if the authors of Skype were now writing Windows!

OK tongue in cheek but well......
Brian

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From: "Alexander Masic" <list@masic.se>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2017 9:51 AM
Subject: [nvda] Some suggest for future nvda


Hi.

Now When Jamie has change to another work, I hope there will be some space for new thinking and redesign. Even if i really like nvda very mutch, and you devs are doing a fantastic good jobb in general. However there is a few things wich iritate my mutch. And most imprtant is how the menu-system are organised. I would like to se menu scructure organized in fleaks wich i can toggle betwean by arrow-keys. If i made an reinstallation of NVDA then I am able to made all settings at once. As it is today, you must do the settings in a one section, then press ok, opend menu again and go to next and so on. This is a little old fasion.

So I hope that new leadership for nvda will also bring some new thinking. I am also glad to se that older windows longer will not be supported. Because this older windows is virusmashin, and by supporting them, NVDA is also encurage spread of virus.

So i'll wish the new leader good luck, and looking forward to se little new way thinking.




Re: safe mode

Adriani Botez
 

It works if you use this file:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ebkqst6n393i6jk/Activate_Sound_in_Win10_Safe_Mode.
zip?dl=1


Best
Adriani

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Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Im Auftrag von Don H
Gesendet: Montag, 23. Oktober 2017 21:02
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] safe mode

maybe in the future NVDA could make this possible as it worked well in
Window Eyes. If GW could do it I am sure the fine developers of NVDA could
do it as well.

On 10/23/2017 12:31 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
No. And it will never work. No audo drivers can be loaded only display
drivers.

Take care

On Oct 23, 2017, at 3:39 AM, Holger Fiallo <hfiallo@rcn.com
<mailto:hfiallo@rcn.com>> wrote:

Does NVDA, narrator or jaws works in safe mode? Can not delete avast
and the only way to uninstall it is by going to safe mode.


Holger Fiallo


Re: safe mode

Don H
 

maybe in the future NVDA could make this possible as it worked well in Window Eyes. If GW could do it I am sure the fine developers of NVDA could do it as well.

On 10/23/2017 12:31 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
No. And it will never work. No audo drivers can be loaded only display drivers.
Take care

On Oct 23, 2017, at 3:39 AM, Holger Fiallo <hfiallo@rcn.com <mailto:hfiallo@rcn.com>> wrote:

Does NVDA, narrator or jaws works in safe mode? Can not delete avast and the only way to uninstall it is by going to safe mode.


Holger Fiallo


Re: safe mode

Hareth
 

Sarah,
It works indeed, I've posted a reg file that enables audio for win10 safe mode.
it worked with all PCs that I have access to.
here is the link for it again:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ebkqst6n393i6jk/Activate_Sound_in_Win10_Safe_Mode.zip?dl=1

Best

On 10/23/17, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@gmail.com> wrote:
No. And it will never work. No audo drivers can be loaded only display
drivers.

Take care

On Oct 23, 2017, at 3:39 AM, Holger Fiallo <hfiallo@rcn.com> wrote:

Does NVDA, narrator or jaws works in safe mode? Can not delete avast and
the only way to uninstall it is by going to safe mode.


Holger Fiallo


Re: safe mode

Adriani Botez
 

It should work as well.

 

 

Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Im Auftrag von Sarah k Alawami
Gesendet: Montag, 23. Oktober 2017 20:54
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] safe mode

 

Right, I forgot about that. I use a wireless dongle so I don't know if this would in fact work. It is a Logitech usb wireless headset.

 

Take care and be blessed all.



On Oct 23, 2017, at 11:50 AM, Adriani Botez <adriani.botez@...> wrote:

 

Here is a file which changes your registry in the way that sound driver is kept on in safe mode. It works in windows 10 and I have tested it in Windows 7 x86 and it works as well. There is also a discussion in this forum about it, it was some days ago. Several people tested it and in works.

 

 

Best

Adriani

 

Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Im Auftrag von Sarah k Alawami
Gesendet: Montag, 23. Oktober 2017 19:31
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] safe mode

 

No. And it will never work. No audo drivers can be loaded only display drivers.

 

Take care




On Oct 23, 2017, at 3:39 AM, Holger Fiallo <hfiallo@...> wrote:

 

Does NVDA, narrator or jaws works in safe mode? Can not delete avast and the only way to uninstall it is by going to safe mode.



Holger Fiallo

 

 


Re: safe mode

Sarah k Alawami
 

Right, I forgot about that. I use a wireless dongle so I don't know if this would in fact work. It is a Logitech usb wireless headset.

Take care and be blessed all.

On Oct 23, 2017, at 11:50 AM, Adriani Botez <adriani.botez@...> wrote:

Here is a file which changes your registry in the way that sound driver is kept on in safe mode. It works in windows 10 and I have tested it in Windows 7 x86 and it works as well. There is also a discussion in this forum about it, it was some days ago. Several people tested it and in works.
 
 
Best
Adriani
 
Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Im Auftrag von Sarah k Alawami
Gesendet: Montag, 23. Oktober 2017 19:31
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] safe mode
 
No. And it will never work. No audo drivers can be loaded only display drivers.
 
Take care


On Oct 23, 2017, at 3:39 AM, Holger Fiallo <hfiallo@...> wrote:
 
Does NVDA, narrator or jaws works in safe mode? Can not delete avast and the only way to uninstall it is by going to safe mode.


Holger Fiallo
 



Re: Some suggest for future nvda

Sarah k Alawami
 

I like theeidea of the formating in the ring. I would have never thought to include that as I normally never have to type somethingn in certain cells, but maybe if I'm using google docs or what not that could be useful.

Take care

On Oct 23, 2017, at 11:26 AM, Adriani Botez <adriani.botez@...> wrote:

I would never change the menu structure of NVDA since you can open certain
areas for settings for example ctrl+nvda+d for document formatting or
ctrl+nvda+s for synthesizer settings. This is possible because a separate
structure for certain group of settings is given. The advantage is that you
don't have to search one hour to find the settings you would like to change.

However, I would make it even easier by enhancing the settings ring. With
ctrl+shift+nvda+arrow keys you can change several settings without having to
access the menu. In my view this should be the priority in the future,
because in fact I want to change settings without changing the window I am
currently working in. For example if I am in a browser and access the menu,
the cursor position gets often lost and I have to find my position again
after closing the menu. By adding new settings features to the ring would
solve this problem. For example it would help a lot if we could change the
keyboard layout out of the ring instead going into the menu. An other useful
feature would be to integrate document formatting to the ring as well.

Why document formatting in the ring? Well, often people want to hear just
one formatting feature, for example colors or font. It would be much
intuitive to change between formating elements out of the ring and to go to
the menu just when you need more information at the same time.

Another nice ring feature would be to change colors. Say we have an excel
sheet and we are told to type something just in the yellow cells. Assume we
have in the ring a cathegory "say color". You could change say color to
yellow out of the ring and in the menu you could atrubute a key to the
browse mode (for example y) to jump between yellow cells. You could let y to
be the standard key for every color you choose from the "say color"
cathegory. If you want NVDA to say all colors, than you go through the ring
to document formatting and change to colors. In that case NVDA would say all
colors and y would still navigate you through the color which you chose in
the "say color" section of the ring. 

This could also work for other formatting features like type (areal, time
new roman etc) or font (bold, italic etc.). This could also work in word,
outlook or even in browsers and it would improve NVDA significantly.


Best
Adriani

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Im Auftrag von
Rosemarie Chavarria
Gesendet: Montag, 23. Oktober 2017 19:40
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] Some suggest for future nvda

I like the NVDA menu the way it is. Like the old saying goes, if it ain't
broke, don't fix it.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Alexander Masic
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2017 1:51 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Some suggest for future nvda

Hi.

Now When Jamie has change to another work, I hope there will be some space
for new thinking and redesign. Even if i really like nvda very mutch, and
you devs are doing a fantastic good jobb in general. However there is a few
things wich iritate my mutch. And most imprtant is how the menu-system are
organised. I would like to se menu scructure organized in fleaks wich i can
toggle betwean by arrow-keys. If i made an reinstallation of NVDA then I am
able to made all settings at once. 
As it is today, you must do the settings in a one section, then press ok,
opend menu again and go to next and so on. This is a little old fasion.

So I hope that new leadership for nvda will also bring some new thinking. I
am also glad to se that older windows longer will not be supported. Because
this older windows is virusmashin, and by supporting them, NVDA is also
encurage spread of virus.

So i'll wish the new leader good luck, and looking forward to se little new
way thinking.












Re: Some suggest for future nvda

Sarah k Alawami
 

I agree. The menu suggested was jut plane confusing. The way they have it now is more natural feeling.

Take care

On Oct 23, 2017, at 10:39 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:

I like the NVDA menu the way it is. Like the old saying goes, if it ain't
broke, don't fix it.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Alexander Masic
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2017 1:51 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Some suggest for future nvda

Hi.

Now When Jamie has change to another work, I hope there will be some space
for new thinking and redesign. Even if i really like nvda very mutch, and
you devs are doing a fantastic good jobb in general. However there is a few
things wich iritate my mutch. And most imprtant is how the menu-system are
organised. I would like to se menu scructure organized in fleaks wich i can
toggle betwean by arrow-keys. If i made an reinstallation of NVDA then I am
able to made all settings at once. 
As it is today, you must do the settings in a one section, then press ok,
opend menu again and go to next and so on. This is a little old fasion.

So I hope that new leadership for nvda will also bring some new thinking. I
am also glad to se that older windows longer will not be supported. Because
this older windows is virusmashin, and by supporting them, NVDA is also
encurage spread of virus.

So i'll wish the new leader good luck, and looking forward to se little new
way thinking.








Re: safe mode

Adriani Botez
 

Here is a file which changes your registry in the way that sound driver is kept on in safe mode. It works in windows 10 and I have tested it in Windows 7 x86 and it works as well. There is also a discussion in this forum about it, it was some days ago. Several people tested it and in works.

 

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ebkqst6n393i6jk/Activate_Sound_in_Win10_Safe_Mode.zip?dl=1

 

Best

Adriani

 

Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Im Auftrag von Sarah k Alawami
Gesendet: Montag, 23. Oktober 2017 19:31
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] safe mode

 

No. And it will never work. No audo drivers can be loaded only display drivers.

 

Take care



On Oct 23, 2017, at 3:39 AM, Holger Fiallo <hfiallo@...> wrote:

 

Does NVDA, narrator or jaws works in safe mode? Can not delete avast and the only way to uninstall it is by going to safe mode.



Holger Fiallo

 


Re: Presenting PPTX with viewer

 

hello.
i heard that word viewer is not accessible, not sure about office viewers.
hope that help, God bless you all.

On 10/22/17, Michal Rada <michal@michalrada.cz> wrote:
Hi there, Please, is any way to accessible present PPTX presentation in
Powerpoint viewer? I present many presentations and now i will do it in
W10 virtual machne thats not Office installed. I downůoaded Powerpoint
viewer from MS site and surprised, in vieweer NVDA reads "Presentation
slide" only. In full powered powerpoint it works good.

M




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Re: Some suggest for future nvda

 

i love everything that i have and i am grateful to Allah for his bounties.
i love my windows version, nvda, my softwares which are all 32bit and
the way that i use internet and computer!
God bless you all!

On 10/23/17, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@gmail.com> wrote:
I like the NVDA menu the way it is. Like the old saying goes, if it ain't
broke, don't fix it.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Alexander Masic
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2017 1:51 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Some suggest for future nvda

Hi.

Now When Jamie has change to another work, I hope there will be some space
for new thinking and redesign. Even if i really like nvda very mutch, and
you devs are doing a fantastic good jobb in general. However there is a few
things wich iritate my mutch. And most imprtant is how the menu-system are
organised. I would like to se menu scructure organized in fleaks wich i can
toggle betwean by arrow-keys. If i made an reinstallation of NVDA then I am
able to made all settings at once.
As it is today, you must do the settings in a one section, then press ok,
opend menu again and go to next and so on. This is a little old fasion.

So I hope that new leadership for nvda will also bring some new thinking. I
am also glad to se that older windows longer will not be supported. Because
this older windows is virusmashin, and by supporting them, NVDA is also
encurage spread of virus.

So i'll wish the new leader good luck, and looking forward to se little new
way thinking.








--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org


Re: Some suggest for future nvda

Adriani Botez
 

I would never change the menu structure of NVDA since you can open certain
areas for settings for example ctrl+nvda+d for document formatting or
ctrl+nvda+s for synthesizer settings. This is possible because a separate
structure for certain group of settings is given. The advantage is that you
don't have to search one hour to find the settings you would like to change.

However, I would make it even easier by enhancing the settings ring. With
ctrl+shift+nvda+arrow keys you can change several settings without having to
access the menu. In my view this should be the priority in the future,
because in fact I want to change settings without changing the window I am
currently working in. For example if I am in a browser and access the menu,
the cursor position gets often lost and I have to find my position again
after closing the menu. By adding new settings features to the ring would
solve this problem. For example it would help a lot if we could change the
keyboard layout out of the ring instead going into the menu. An other useful
feature would be to integrate document formatting to the ring as well.

Why document formatting in the ring? Well, often people want to hear just
one formatting feature, for example colors or font. It would be much
intuitive to change between formating elements out of the ring and to go to
the menu just when you need more information at the same time.

Another nice ring feature would be to change colors. Say we have an excel
sheet and we are told to type something just in the yellow cells. Assume we
have in the ring a cathegory "say color". You could change say color to
yellow out of the ring and in the menu you could atrubute a key to the
browse mode (for example y) to jump between yellow cells. You could let y to
be the standard key for every color you choose from the "say color"
cathegory. If you want NVDA to say all colors, than you go through the ring
to document formatting and change to colors. In that case NVDA would say all
colors and y would still navigate you through the color which you chose in
the "say color" section of the ring.

This could also work for other formatting features like type (areal, time
new roman etc) or font (bold, italic etc.). This could also work in word,
outlook or even in browsers and it would improve NVDA significantly.


Best
Adriani

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Im Auftrag von
Rosemarie Chavarria
Gesendet: Montag, 23. Oktober 2017 19:40
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] Some suggest for future nvda

I like the NVDA menu the way it is. Like the old saying goes, if it ain't
broke, don't fix it.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Alexander Masic
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2017 1:51 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Some suggest for future nvda

Hi.

Now When Jamie has change to another work, I hope there will be some space
for new thinking and redesign. Even if i really like nvda very mutch, and
you devs are doing a fantastic good jobb in general. However there is a few
things wich iritate my mutch. And most imprtant is how the menu-system are
organised. I would like to se menu scructure organized in fleaks wich i can
toggle betwean by arrow-keys. If i made an reinstallation of NVDA then I am
able to made all settings at once.
As it is today, you must do the settings in a one section, then press ok,
opend menu again and go to next and so on. This is a little old fasion.

So I hope that new leadership for nvda will also bring some new thinking. I
am also glad to se that older windows longer will not be supported. Because
this older windows is virusmashin, and by supporting them, NVDA is also
encurage spread of virus.

So i'll wish the new leader good luck, and looking forward to se little new
way thinking.


Re: Some suggest for future nvda

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I like the NVDA menu the way it is. Like the old saying goes, if it ain't
broke, don't fix it.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Alexander Masic
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2017 1:51 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Some suggest for future nvda

Hi.

Now When Jamie has change to another work, I hope there will be some space
for new thinking and redesign. Even if i really like nvda very mutch, and
you devs are doing a fantastic good jobb in general. However there is a few
things wich iritate my mutch. And most imprtant is how the menu-system are
organised. I would like to se menu scructure organized in fleaks wich i can
toggle betwean by arrow-keys. If i made an reinstallation of NVDA then I am
able to made all settings at once.
As it is today, you must do the settings in a one section, then press ok,
opend menu again and go to next and so on. This is a little old fasion.

So I hope that new leadership for nvda will also bring some new thinking. I
am also glad to se that older windows longer will not be supported. Because
this older windows is virusmashin, and by supporting them, NVDA is also
encurage spread of virus.

So i'll wish the new leader good luck, and looking forward to se little new
way thinking.