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locked Re: How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages in outlook when open them?

Ralf Kefferpuetz
 

No, there is no way. I’m wondering why you ask for it. Purpose of opening a mail is to read it….at least for me.

But feel free to log an issue with NVDA.

 

Cheers,

  Ralf

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Sonntag, 10. Mai 2020 18:47
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages in outlook when open them?

 

Is there anyway to prevent this?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralf Kefferpuetz
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 8:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages in outlook when open them?

 

Yup, that’s normal that it reads the first line.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Sonntag, 10. Mai 2020 12:57
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages in outlook when open them?

 

That is unchecked in outlook 2016 it still reads the first line.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralf Kefferpuetz
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 6:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages in outlook when open them?

 

NVDA-Control-B, Alt-S, uncheck it.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Sonntag, 10. Mai 2020 01:04
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages in outlook when open them?

 

Hi, is there a way to prevent NVDA from automatically reading an outlook message when you open it?  If so how?


Re: did this site change over night?

 

On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 01:54 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
I'm not happy that they changed the site
And I hope you've written to their support expressing this displeasure (as well as telling them that they need to include labels on all buttons, whether said labels are presented visually or not).

I instantly understood what's going on, as the convention they used is, well, a common convention.  It's what they omitted in terms of making that common convention accessible, which is usually part and parcel of it, that's really inexcusable in this day and age.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 


Re: did this site change over night?

Sarah k Alawami
 

I actually figured it out, sort of. You have to go up to access the fields and everything. Actually it is my boyfriend who took the time to figure it out as he is also a blind pilot, but a very patient one. I'm not happy that they changed the site but I got the stuff I needed yesterday and can now install it.

It's good to know I'm not going crazy, but who knows when they will change the site, and why they did this in the first place is beyond us.

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on [twitch.](http://twitch.tv/ke7zum] Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 9 May 2020, at 13:07, Brian Vogel wrote:

Yes, it did, and the idiots that redid the site used an unlabeled button, with the icon of an abstract person's head and shoulders, as the account button.  What's even weirder is that once I click on it, and expand it, I can't seem to enter in to the expanded fields, which include where you enter your e-mail address and password.

I remember playing with this site not long ago when you were asking about it then, and I know that button was a text button labeled, "Account."

Just FYI, if I start using the b shortcut, it's the second button.  The first reads "clickable button" and is the search button.  The second, which reads simply "button" is the account button.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 


Sable Alpha released.

 

Sable is an engine that will allow you to make your own audio RPG games without writing a single line of code. The link below has everything, including tips, tutorials, and instructions for download and how to file bugs, which should never be sent to this list because they will never see it. Enjoy.

https://ebonskystudios.com/sable-alpha-download/


locked Re: How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages in outlook when open them?

Gene
 

I should have said, the first line is spoken. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Dennis L
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages in outlook when open them?

Is there anyway to prevent this?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralf Kefferpuetz
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 8:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages in outlook when open them?

 

Yup, that’s normal that it reads the first line.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Sonntag, 10. Mai 2020 12:57
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages in outlook when open them?

 

That is unchecked in outlook 2016 it still reads the first line.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralf Kefferpuetz
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 6:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages in outlook when open them?

 

NVDA-Control-B, Alt-S, uncheck it.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Sonntag, 10. Mai 2020 01:04
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages in outlook when open them?

 

Hi, is there a way to prevent NVDA from automatically reading an outlook message when you open it?  If so how?


locked Re: How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages in outlook when open them?

Gene
 

I don't see any way, but why does it matter?
 
Whenever I open anything, a program, a document, something is spoken.  When I open a document in Notepad, for example, the current line is spoken.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Dennis L
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages in outlook when open them?

Is there anyway to prevent this?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralf Kefferpuetz
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 8:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages in outlook when open them?

 

Yup, that’s normal that it reads the first line.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Sonntag, 10. Mai 2020 12:57
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages in outlook when open them?

 

That is unchecked in outlook 2016 it still reads the first line.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralf Kefferpuetz
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 6:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages in outlook when open them?

 

NVDA-Control-B, Alt-S, uncheck it.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Sonntag, 10. Mai 2020 01:04
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages in outlook when open them?

 

Hi, is there a way to prevent NVDA from automatically reading an outlook message when you open it?  If so how?


locked Re: How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages in outlook when open them?

Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
 

Is there anyway to prevent this?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralf Kefferpuetz
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 8:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages in outlook when open them?

 

Yup, that’s normal that it reads the first line.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Sonntag, 10. Mai 2020 12:57
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages in outlook when open them?

 

That is unchecked in outlook 2016 it still reads the first line.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralf Kefferpuetz
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 6:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages in outlook when open them?

 

NVDA-Control-B, Alt-S, uncheck it.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Sonntag, 10. Mai 2020 01:04
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages in outlook when open them?

 

Hi, is there a way to prevent NVDA from automatically reading an outlook message when you open it?  If so how?


Re: Issue With NVDA and Thunderbird: Focusing on a link within a message also reads the URL

 

Copy and paste everything you just said and file a bug report. See link below.

https://www-archive.mozilla.org/support/thunderbird/bugs


Re: Thunderbird 68.8.0: Unwanted Verbosity Is Improved But Not Fixed

 

Copy and paste everything you just said and file a bug report. See link below.

https://www-archive.mozilla.org/support/thunderbird/bugs


Re: Thunderbird 68.8.0: Unwanted Verbosity Is Improved But Not Fixed

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi David,

I do get all three of these issues, but they are of minor concern to me.  The one thing you didn't mention is the reading of the underlying address when you tab to or arrow to a clickable link in an open message.  This is really annoying to me and happens one hundred percent of the time.

On 5/10/2020 3:27 AM, David Goldfield wrote:
Hello.

The release notes for TB 68.8.0 indicates that the extra messages heard by screen readers has been addressed. While the situation may have improved I don't believe that this issue has been totally addressed.

1. When pressing enter to open a message NVDA begins to announce something which sounds like "loading message" but the announcement is usually cut off fairly quickly. I suspect that this could be happening more on slower machines.

2. When a message that I am composing is being automatically saved to my drafts folder the status message indicating this is clearly being announced, as in "copying message to drafts folder." Should this be happening?

3. When I press ctrl-enter to send a message I sometimes hear the beginning of a status announcement but it gets cut off very quickly and I'm not able to determine what it's trying to tell me. I guess I should load the speech viewer to better capture some of what is being announced but I don't recall hearing any of this information prior to this problem initially being introduced.

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I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


locked Re: How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages in outlook when open them?

Ralf Kefferpuetz
 

Yup, that’s normal that it reads the first line.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Sonntag, 10. Mai 2020 12:57
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages in outlook when open them?

 

That is unchecked in outlook 2016 it still reads the first line.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralf Kefferpuetz
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 6:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages in outlook when open them?

 

NVDA-Control-B, Alt-S, uncheck it.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Sonntag, 10. Mai 2020 01:04
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages in outlook when open them?

 

Hi, is there a way to prevent NVDA from automatically reading an outlook message when you open it?  If so how?


locked Re: How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages in outlook when open them?

Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
 

That is unchecked in outlook 2016 it still reads the first line.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralf Kefferpuetz
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 6:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages in outlook when open them?

 

NVDA-Control-B, Alt-S, uncheck it.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Sonntag, 10. Mai 2020 01:04
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages in outlook when open them?

 

Hi, is there a way to prevent NVDA from automatically reading an outlook message when you open it?  If so how?


locked Re: How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages in outlook when open them?

Ralf Kefferpuetz
 

NVDA-Control-B, Alt-S, uncheck it.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Sonntag, 10. Mai 2020 01:04
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages in outlook when open them?

 

Hi, is there a way to prevent NVDA from automatically reading an outlook message when you open it?  If so how?


Thunderbird 68.8.0: Unwanted Verbosity Is Improved But Not Fixed

David Goldfield
 

Hello.

The release notes for TB 68.8.0 indicates that the extra messages heard by screen readers has been addressed. While the situation may have improved I don't believe that this issue has been totally addressed.

1. When pressing enter to open a message NVDA begins to announce something which sounds like "loading message" but the announcement is usually cut off fairly quickly. I suspect that this could be happening more on slower machines.

2. When a message that I am composing is being automatically saved to my drafts folder the status message indicating this is clearly being announced, as in "copying message to drafts folder." Should this be happening?

3. When I press ctrl-enter to send a message I sometimes hear the beginning of a status announcement but it gets cut off very quickly and I'm not able to determine what it's trying to tell me. I guess I should load the speech viewer to better capture some of what is being announced but I don't recall hearing any of this information prior to this problem initially being introduced.


--
David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org


Re: Issue With NVDA and Thunderbird: Focusing on a link within a message also reads the URL

Roger Stewart
 

I just checked through this message here and I'm not getting this.  True, if a link is spelled out with the full http etc, it will be read that way. But if it isn't, all I hear is what is shown.

Roger

On 5/9/2020 11:09 PM, David Goldfield wrote:
Hello. Using NVDA 2020.1 and Thunderbird 68.8.0, Windows 10 64.

I have noticed that when moving focus to a link which is contained within a message the link's name or label is announced as one would expect. However, maybe about half a second later the target URL is also spoken. I'm not sure when this started happening or if it's related to the additional verbosity we saw recently with Thunderbird which is now mostly tamed. I did have the speaking of tool tips enabled but disabling this setting does not correct the problem. Are others experiencing this and is there a workaround?

I'm seeing this consistently using the letter K to move from one link to the next.


Issue With NVDA and Thunderbird: Focusing on a link within a message also reads the URL

David Goldfield
 

Hello. Using NVDA 2020.1 and Thunderbird 68.8.0, Windows 10 64.

I have noticed that when moving focus to a link which is contained within a message the link's name or label is announced as one would expect. However, maybe about half a second later the target URL is also spoken. I'm not sure when this started happening or if it's related to the additional verbosity we saw recently with Thunderbird which is now mostly tamed. I did have the speaking of tool tips enabled but disabling this setting does not correct the problem. Are others experiencing this and is there a workaround?

I'm seeing this consistently using the letter K to move from one link to the next.


--
David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org


locked Re: Is there an NVDA addon to the Telegram client Unigram?

 

The answer to the original question is, from all appearances, no.

And, since this topic has swung entirely toward JAWS scripts, and since all links to said scripts are available to all readers, this topic is now locked.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 


locked Re: Is there an NVDA addon to the Telegram client Unigram?

Ibrahim Abedrabbo
 

Thanks a million. I downloaded the scripts and trying to figure out how to use them.


Regards,

 

Ibrahim

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyaseta Rabita Nugraeni Sardjono
Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 1:27 PM
To: nvda <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is there an NVDA addon to the Telegram client Unigram?

 

 

On Sun, May 10, 2020, 00:22 Ibrahim Abedrabbo <abedrabboibrahim@...> wrote:

Thanks Lino,

Where do I get the Jaws Scripts?

 

Regards,

 

Ibrahim

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 1:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is there an NVDA addon to the Telegram client Unigram?

 

I don’t believe their is. JAWS with Doug Lee’s scripts for now is the way to go.

 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Sent from Mail for Windows 10

                                                                                                               

 

From: Ibrahim Abedrabbo
Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 1:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Is there an NVDA addon to the Telegram client Unigram?

 

Hello folks,

Is there an NVDA addon to the unigram, the Telegram client for windows? Is Unigram the most accessible telegram client or you recommend other ones?

 

Regards,

 

Ibrahim

 


Re: NVDA won't install on win10

 

Look in the store, I found nvda there.

On 9/05/2020 11:41 pm, mattias wrote:
what

a nvda in the win10 store

eh? dont think so

Den 2020-05-09 kl. 10:57, skrev Shaun Everiss:
On that note there seems to be a stripped down nvda in the store for s mode.

The differences betwene store nvda and standard nvda are no system access so no addons and a few other things.

At least students can use nvda in some sort of kiosk.



On 9/05/2020 7:01 pm, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
S mode (formerly Windows 10 S) is a Windows 10 configuration option that
restricts app sources to Microsoft Store (that's the most visible difference
between regular and S mode).
Cheers,
Jsoeph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Angelo Sonnesso
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 11:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA won't install on win10

What is S mode?

73 N2DYN Angelo


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph
Lee
Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 2:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA won't install on win10

Hi,
Yes - both safe mode and S mode.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Angelo Sonnesso
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 11:35 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA won't install on win10

Does Narrator work in safe mode?


73 N2DYN Angelo

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph
Lee
Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 1:33 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA won't install on win10

Hi,
One huge clarification: S mode is not the same thing as safe mode.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Luke Davis
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 10:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA won't install on win10

On Fri, 8 May 2020, Arlene wrote:

Good you got it fixed.  What a pain in the but you had to get a
sighted person to help you get it out of safe mode. I wished Microsoft
created some sort of talking softwear  to get us out. That's if you
can't get a sighted person to help. If you live with one or have
access to someone who can help. Great. Some of us blind folk may not
be as fortunate to have a sighted person near.
If you have an iPhone or iPad, you can use  the Be My Eyes app to video call
Microsoft tech support, who can usually help you with such situations. If
not them, you can try a friend on Facetime. There are a lot of options these
days if you have the right equipment.

Luke
























OE Classic gets more NVDA updates.

 

I just got the below email. This is in the 3.1 version of OE Classic. It's currently only the pro version. I have no idea when the free version of 3.1 will be released.

The news archive will give a better indication of what's to come in the pro version.

The accessibility email.

We've made a new update of OE Classic which further improves accessibility in the latest update of OE Classic 3.1, 2020-05-08. If you still don't run it, update is already available, please update using the built in update system.

This upgrade brings you info when browsing the message list if a message has been unread, flagged (including colored flags like yellow flag, green flag, blue flag etc.), replied, forwarded or draft.

Simply by browsing through messages this will be read by a screen reader. We tested with NVDA and it appears to work well.

This adds another accessibility improvement to the ones which we've done so far, especially the recent ones in version 3.1 based on your previous sugestions.

The work on this is ongoing and there will likely be further improvements to accessibility as well.