thank you; but if position the navigator object with nvda+down or up
arrow, what keystroke should I then press to get back to the system
focus?

On 6/25/20, Sam Taylor via groups.io <samtaylor9@...> wrote:

numpad 7 or numpad 9 on a desktop, NVDA up arrow or NVDA down arrow if
using laptop layout.

You may also benefit from reading sections 5.4 and 5.5 of the user
manual concerning object navigation and reviewing text.


On 25/06/2020 9:20 pm, Aschalew Byness wrote:

If I want to ocr a book, how do I position the navigater object? I
mean, what key should I press first before I press nvda+r?

On 6/25/20, Sam Taylor via groups.io <samtaylor9@...> wrote:

NVDA's OCR recognises the current navigator object, not the system
focus. So make sure that you position the navigator object first at the
place you think the OCR should occur, before pressing NVDA+R.

On 25/06/2020 7:51 pm, Aschalew Byness wrote:

The image is a scanned document. I open this scanned document with
Adobe reader. When I open it, nvda says: “Alert: Empty page  page
This page appears to be empty. It may contain a scanned image that
needs OCR or it may be part of a malformed document.” After getting
this message, I press insert +r. nvda says: ‘recognizing. Result
document.” After that, if I press insert +r, nvda says: ‘already in a
content recognition result’. If I arrow then, it reads: ‘blank”.

On 6/25/20, Aschalew Byness via groups.io
<gakidan.ashagre235@...> wrote:

yeah, I am using windows 10 2004 version. when I try to recognize an
image by pressing insert + r, there is nothing shown or heard. no bip
sound, no spoken outcome whether it is recognizing. even when I press
arrow keys, it simply says 'blank'. then How do I know whether it has
started recognizing. How do I know whether it has finished
recognising?

On 6/25/20, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:

hello.
do you use windows ten?
if so, windows ten has internal ocr functionality that nvda
developers
added support for it since nvda version 2017.3.
if you use any other windows version that has not internal ocr
capability, you should install ocr addon.

On 6/25/20, Aschalew Byness <gakidan.ashagre235@...> wrote:

Hi lovely guys
I always try to have nvda recognize image or scanned documents with
insert+r. I don't get any result though. but, in jaws, when I press
insert + space, o, c, I hear a kind of bip sound to let me know that
the recognition is in process. it also lets me know when it finishes
recognizing the document. I don't get the same in nvda although I
press insert +r. it is dead silence. does this nvda OCR recognition
really work.

--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

-----Original Message-----
From: Aschalew Byness
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2020 6:20 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda ocr

If I want to ocr a book, how do I position the navigater object? I
mean, what key should I press first before I press nvda+r?

On 6/25/20, Sam Taylor via groups.io <samtaylor9=me.com@groups.io> wrote:

NVDA's OCR recognises the current navigator object, not the system
focus. So make sure that you position the navigator object first at the
place you think the OCR should occur, before pressing NVDA+R.

On 25/06/2020 7:51 pm, Aschalew Byness wrote:

The image is a scanned document. I open this scanned document with
Adobe reader. When I open it, nvda says: “Alert: Empty page page
This page appears to be empty. It may contain a scanned image that
needs OCR or it may be part of a malformed document.” After getting
this message, I press insert +r. nvda says: ‘recognizing. Result
document.” After that, if I press insert +r, nvda says: ‘already in a
content recognition result’. If I arrow then, it reads: ‘blank”.

On 6/25/20, Aschalew Byness via groups.io
<gakidan.ashagre235=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:

yeah, I am using windows 10 2004 version. when I try to recognize an
image by pressing insert + r, there is nothing shown or heard. no bip
sound, no spoken outcome whether it is recognizing. even when I press
arrow keys, it simply says 'blank'. then How do I know whether it has
started recognizing. How do I know whether it has finished
recognising?

On 6/25/20, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com> wrote:

hello.
do you use windows ten?
if so, windows ten has internal ocr functionality that nvda developers
added support for it since nvda version 2017.3.
if you use any other windows version that has not internal ocr
capability, you should install ocr addon.

On 6/25/20, Aschalew Byness <gakidan.ashagre235@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi lovely guys
I always try to have nvda recognize image or scanned documents with
insert+r. I don't get any result though. but, in jaws, when I press
insert + space, o, c, I hear a kind of bip sound to let me know that
the recognition is in process. it also lets me know when it finishes
recognizing the document. I don't get the same in nvda although I
press insert +r. it is dead silence. does this nvda OCR recognition
really work.

--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

On 6/25/20, Sam Taylor via groups.io <samtaylor9=me.com@groups.io> wrote:

numpad 7 or numpad 9 on a desktop, NVDA up arrow or NVDA down arrow if
using laptop layout.

You may also benefit from reading sections 5.4 and 5.5 of the user
manual concerning object navigation and reviewing text.


On 25/06/2020 9:20 pm, Aschalew Byness wrote:

If I want to ocr a book, how do I position the navigater object? I
mean, what key should I press first before I press nvda+r?

On 6/25/20, Sam Taylor via groups.io <samtaylor9=me.com@groups.io> wrote:

NVDA's OCR recognises the current navigator object, not the system
focus. So make sure that you position the navigator object first at the
place you think the OCR should occur, before pressing NVDA+R.

On 25/06/2020 7:51 pm, Aschalew Byness wrote:

The image is a scanned document. I open this scanned document with
Adobe reader. When I open it, nvda says: “Alert: Empty page page
This page appears to be empty. It may contain a scanned image that
needs OCR or it may be part of a malformed document.” After getting
this message, I press insert +r. nvda says: ‘recognizing. Result
document.” After that, if I press insert +r, nvda says: ‘already in a
content recognition result’. If I arrow then, it reads: ‘blank”.

On 6/25/20, Aschalew Byness via groups.io
<gakidan.ashagre235=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:

yeah, I am using windows 10 2004 version. when I try to recognize an
image by pressing insert + r, there is nothing shown or heard. no bip
sound, no spoken outcome whether it is recognizing. even when I press
arrow keys, it simply says 'blank'. then How do I know whether it has
started recognizing. How do I know whether it has finished
recognising?

On 6/25/20, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com> wrote:

hello.
do you use windows ten?
if so, windows ten has internal ocr functionality that nvda
developers
added support for it since nvda version 2017.3.
if you use any other windows version that has not internal ocr
capability, you should install ocr addon.

On 6/25/20, Aschalew Byness <gakidan.ashagre235@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi lovely guys
I always try to have nvda recognize image or scanned documents with
insert+r. I don't get any result though. but, in jaws, when I press
insert + space, o, c, I hear a kind of bip sound to let me know that
the recognition is in process. it also lets me know when it finishes
recognizing the document. I don't get the same in nvda although I
press insert +r. it is dead silence. does this nvda OCR recognition
really work.

--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

On 25/06/2020 9:20 pm, Aschalew Byness wrote:

If I want to ocr a book, how do I position the navigater object? I
mean, what key should I press first before I press nvda+r?

On 6/25/20, Sam Taylor via groups.io <samtaylor9@...> wrote:

NVDA's OCR recognises the current navigator object, not the system
focus. So make sure that you position the navigator object first at the
place you think the OCR should occur, before pressing NVDA+R.

On 25/06/2020 7:51 pm, Aschalew Byness wrote:

The image is a scanned document. I open this scanned document with
Adobe reader. When I open it, nvda says: “Alert: Empty page  page
This page appears to be empty. It may contain a scanned image that
needs OCR or it may be part of a malformed document.” After getting
this message, I press insert +r. nvda says: ‘recognizing. Result
document.” After that, if I press insert +r, nvda says: ‘already in a
content recognition result’. If I arrow then, it reads: ‘blank”.

On 6/25/20, Aschalew Byness via groups.io
<gakidan.ashagre235@...> wrote:

yeah, I am using windows 10 2004 version. when I try to recognize an
image by pressing insert + r, there is nothing shown or heard. no bip
sound, no spoken outcome whether it is recognizing. even when I press
arrow keys, it simply says 'blank'. then How do I know whether it has
started recognizing. How do I know whether it has finished
recognising?

On 6/25/20, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:

hello.
do you use windows ten?
if so, windows ten has internal ocr functionality that nvda developers
added support for it since nvda version 2017.3.
if you use any other windows version that has not internal ocr
capability, you should install ocr addon.

On 6/25/20, Aschalew Byness <gakidan.ashagre235@...> wrote:

Hi lovely guys
I always try to have nvda recognize image or scanned documents with
insert+r. I don't get any result though. but, in jaws, when I press
insert + space, o, c, I hear a kind of bip sound to let me know that
the recognition is in process. it also lets me know when it finishes
recognizing the document. I don't get the same in nvda although I
press insert +r. it is dead silence. does this nvda OCR recognition
really work.

--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

On 6/25/20, Sam Taylor via groups.io <samtaylor9=me.com@groups.io> wrote:

NVDA's OCR recognises the current navigator object, not the system
focus. So make sure that you position the navigator object first at the
place you think the OCR should occur, before pressing NVDA+R.

On 25/06/2020 7:51 pm, Aschalew Byness wrote:

The image is a scanned document. I open this scanned document with
Adobe reader. When I open it, nvda says: “Alert: Empty page page
This page appears to be empty. It may contain a scanned image that
needs OCR or it may be part of a malformed document.” After getting
this message, I press insert +r. nvda says: ‘recognizing. Result
document.” After that, if I press insert +r, nvda says: ‘already in a
content recognition result’. If I arrow then, it reads: ‘blank”.

On 6/25/20, Aschalew Byness via groups.io
<gakidan.ashagre235=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:

yeah, I am using windows 10 2004 version. when I try to recognize an
image by pressing insert + r, there is nothing shown or heard. no bip
sound, no spoken outcome whether it is recognizing. even when I press
arrow keys, it simply says 'blank'. then How do I know whether it has
started recognizing. How do I know whether it has finished
recognising?

On 6/25/20, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com> wrote:

hello.
do you use windows ten?
if so, windows ten has internal ocr functionality that nvda developers
added support for it since nvda version 2017.3.
if you use any other windows version that has not internal ocr
capability, you should install ocr addon.

On 6/25/20, Aschalew Byness <gakidan.ashagre235@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi lovely guys
I always try to have nvda recognize image or scanned documents with
insert+r. I don't get any result though. but, in jaws, when I press
insert + space, o, c, I hear a kind of bip sound to let me know that
the recognition is in process. it also lets me know when it finishes
recognizing the document. I don't get the same in nvda although I
press insert +r. it is dead silence. does this nvda OCR recognition
really work.

--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

On 25/06/2020 7:51 pm, Aschalew Byness wrote:

The image is a scanned document. I open this scanned document with
Adobe reader. When I open it, nvda says: “Alert: Empty page  page
This page appears to be empty. It may contain a scanned image that
needs OCR or it may be part of a malformed document.” After getting
this message, I press insert +r. nvda says: ‘recognizing. Result
document.” After that, if I press insert +r, nvda says: ‘already in a
content recognition result’. If I arrow then, it reads: ‘blank”.

On 6/25/20, Aschalew Byness via groups.io
<gakidan.ashagre235@...> wrote:

yeah, I am using windows 10 2004 version. when I try to recognize an
image by pressing insert + r, there is nothing shown or heard. no bip
sound, no spoken outcome whether it is recognizing. even when I press
arrow keys, it simply says 'blank'. then How do I know whether it has
started recognizing. How do I know whether it has finished
recognising?

On 6/25/20, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:

hello.
do you use windows ten?
if so, windows ten has internal ocr functionality that nvda developers
added support for it since nvda version 2017.3.
if you use any other windows version that has not internal ocr
capability, you should install ocr addon.

On 6/25/20, Aschalew Byness <gakidan.ashagre235@...> wrote:

Hi lovely guys
I always try to have nvda recognize image or scanned documents with
insert+r. I don't get any result though. but, in jaws, when I press
insert + space, o, c, I hear a kind of bip sound to let me know that
the recognition is in process. it also lets me know when it finishes
recognizing the document. I don't get the same in nvda although I
press insert +r. it is dead silence. does this nvda OCR recognition
really work.

--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Aschalew Byness
Sent: Donnerstag, 25. Juni 2020 11:12
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda ocr

yeah, I am using windows 10 2004 version. when I try to recognize an image by pressing insert + r, there is nothing shown or heard. no bip sound, no spoken outcome whether it is recognizing. even when I press arrow keys, it simply says 'blank'. then How do I know whether it has started recognizing. How do I know whether it has finished recognising?

On 6/25/20, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com> wrote:

hello.
do you use windows ten?
if so, windows ten has internal ocr functionality that nvda developers
added support for it since nvda version 2017.3.
if you use any other windows version that has not internal ocr
capability, you should install ocr addon.

On 6/25/20, Aschalew Byness <gakidan.ashagre235@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi lovely guys
I always try to have nvda recognize image or scanned documents with
insert+r. I don't get any result though. but, in jaws, when I press
insert + space, o, c, I hear a kind of bip sound to let me know that
the recognition is in process. it also lets me know when it finishes
recognizing the document. I don't get the same in nvda although I
press insert +r. it is dead silence. does this nvda OCR recognition
really work.

--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

On Thu, 25 Jun 2020, Aschalew Byness wrote:

Hi lovely guys
I always try to have nvda recognize image or scanned documents with
insert+r. I don't get any result though. but, in jaws, when I press
insert + space, o, c, I hear a kind of bip sound to let me know that
the recognition is in process. it also lets me know when it finishes
recognizing the document. I don't get the same in nvda although I
press insert +r. it is dead silence. does this nvda OCR recognition
really work.

On 6/25/20, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com> wrote:

hello.
do you use windows ten?
if so, windows ten has internal ocr functionality that nvda developers
added support for it since nvda version 2017.3.
if you use any other windows version that has not internal ocr
capability, you should install ocr addon.

On 6/25/20, Aschalew Byness <gakidan.ashagre235@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi lovely guys
I always try to have nvda recognize image or scanned documents with
insert+r. I don't get any result though. but, in jaws, when I press
insert + space, o, c, I hear a kind of bip sound to let me know that
the recognition is in process. it also lets me know when it finishes
recognizing the document. I don't get the same in nvda although I
press insert +r. it is dead silence. does this nvda OCR recognition
really work.

--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

On 6/25/20, Aschalew Byness <gakidan.ashagre235@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi lovely guys
I always try to have nvda recognize image or scanned documents with
insert+r. I don't get any result though. but, in jaws, when I press
insert + space, o, c, I hear a kind of bip sound to let me know that
the recognition is in process. it also lets me know when it finishes
recognizing the document. I don't get the same in nvda although I
press insert +r. it is dead silence. does this nvda OCR recognition
really work.

On 6/24/20, Robert Kingett <kingettr@gmail.com> wrote:

You're using the wrong program. Use Pontes Media Downloader.
http://www.pontes.ro/en/scripts/

On 25 Jun 2020, at 8:36 am, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:

From: zahra
Sent: June 24, 2020 1:09 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows ten and nvda 2017 versions:

 

hi Arlene.

i have these versions of nvda,

i thought that you or roommate need this version, and i asked that can

i send it for you?!

is it permissable?

 

On 6/23/20, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:

> Hey Zarah, I did have 17.2 and 17.3 on my external hard drive. I think I did

> get rid of it. I might have done it on my 7 box before it bit the dust. My

> room mate told me that Ihad dumped it.  I knew I was coming to windows ten.

> So she did tell me I dumped it.  She dumped it when she used a thumb drive

> that I had it on.  I do like the voice it now comes with. I hope Luke or

> someone gives you the link so you can go get your 17.2 or 17.3.  I don’t

> want it. Is your xp computer dying? The windows commands are somewhat the

> same. But it’s a little different from xp.  You wont have outlook express

> like you do with xp.

> 

> 

> 

> Sent from Mail for Windows 10

> 

> 

> 

> From: zahra

> Sent: June 23, 2020 5:23 AM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] windows ten and nvda 2017 versions:

> 

> 

> 

> Luke,

> 

> thanks for your helping me.

> 

> i sent you email and i waiting for your help off list.

> 

> 

> 

> On 6/23/20, Luke Davis <luke@...> wrote:

> 

>> You may, although since I don't regularly use that old version for other

> 

>> than

> 

>> testing purposes, I don't know how much help I will be. But you're welcome

> 

>> to

> 

>> try.

> 

>> 

> 

>> I will also note, that Espeak has definite issues under Windows 10 and

> 

>> 2017.3.

> 

>> The longer the text you read, the more harsh and distorted Espeak becomes,

> 

>> until

> 

>> it reaches some threshold and resets.

> 

>> 

> 

>> Espeak is definitely not pleasant in that use case. Some people might say

>> it

> 

>> 

> 

>> never is, but for someone like me who uses and prefers it, under 2017.3 it

> 

>> is

> 

>> difficult to listen to after a short time.

> 

>> 

> 

>> But you're welcome to ask your questions.

> 

>> 

> 

>> Luke

> 

>> 

> 

>>   On Tue, 23 Jun 2020, zahra wrote:

> 

>> 

> 

>>> thanks so much for your reply!

> 

>>> may i contact you offline and ask some questions in this regard?

> 

>>> however, my favorite version of nvda is 2017.2.

> 

>>> but espeak in 2017.3 is also good,

> 

>>> and there is no difference about espeak between these versions.

> 

>> 

> 

>> 

> 

>> 

> 

>> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> --

> 

> By God,

> 

> were I given all the seven heavens

> 

> with all they contain

> 

> in order that

> 

> I may disobey God

> 

> by depriving an ant

> 

> from the husk of a grain of barley,

> 

> I would not do it.

> 

> imam ali

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

>

 

 

--

By God,

were I given all the seven heavens

with all they contain

in order that

I may disobey God

by depriving an ant

from the husk of a grain of barley,

I would not do it.

imam ali

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Josh Miele
Sent: Mittwoch, 24. Juni 2020 21:07
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Crashes in Word and Outlook

Folks:


I'm new to this list, but I've been using NVDA as my exclusive Windows screen reader for about 8 years.


I'm in a new work environment where I practically live in outlook, and
I'm finding that I experience frequent freezes when composing emails,
particularly when highlighting or deleting. The screen reader goes
silent and doesn't come back, even if I wait a very long time.


The only way to recover is to go to the desktop with Windows+M and
restart NVDA with ctrl+alt+N. NVDA almost always restarts after a 20-30
second delay with an error sound concurrent with the NVDA startup sound.


When I return to Outlook the email I was composing is *sometimes* still
there, but it is frequently gon -- disappeared from the world without a
trace in Drafts or Trash.


This can happen as frequently as every few minutes, or sometimes goes
for hours without happening. I'm unable to pin it to any particular
situation or constellation of other concurrent activities.


I experience a similar problem in MS Word, also while highlighting or
deleting. Again, the file is sometimes there when I restart NVDA, but it
is just as likely to be recovered from the last time I saved it...


Needless to say, this is extremely frustrating and is terrible for my
productivity and mental well being.


I am using Version 2020.1, but this problem was present and even worse
in prior versions. In the current version I'm usually able to restart
NVDA from the desktop with the keyboard shortcut. In prior versions the
only way to recover was to restart my computer.


I have searched the web and the archive of this list to see if others
have experienced this, but I'm coming up mostly empty. From the issues
list on Github, it looks like this has happened to other folks in much
older versions, but it's marked as closed.


Any insights or help with this will be most gratefully appreciated.


Best!


--JAMM