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News regarding Firefox.

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Just got an email from the Mozilla team about the focus issue in Firefox 56, It cannot be sorted in 56, but has been addressed in 57 apparently so the advice for us has to be wait for 57, and don't updat to 56 unless you enjoy having to move focus from the wrong place back to the page every time you use it.

I was looking for a meaning full place to put this info but I cannot find one.
Brian

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Error with latest update

Jonathan Milam
 

Hi All,

 

I am getting the following error with the latest version of NVDA with the remote add-on.

 

---------------------------

nvdaHelperRemote (outprocMgrThreadFunc)

---------------------------

Error registering focus winEvent hook

---------------------------

Any ideas?

 

Thanks,

Jonathan---------------------------


would like to make malay language braile table, need guidance

kavein thran
 

hi friends,
I am a braille display user from malaysia and I find it frustrating to
see that my language braille code is not currently alive. How to make
a braile table for a particular language and have it supported and
declared universal?

thanks


Re: nvda developers please help me about my favorite version of nvda!

 

hi gene.
could you please teach me how to open some emails in plane text?
i only use web interface of gmail and dont know how to change some
emails not open in html format.
Allah bless you, his infinite mercy and graces i pray for you.

On 9/12/17, Arlene <nedster66@gmail.com> wrote:
Oh okay. that's good to know. I've seen mute the thread. At the end of
these
messages.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: September-11-17 3:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite
version
of nvda!



You can mute any thread if you read any message in that thread as HTML.
There is a mute link at the bottom of messages. You may not see it if you
read mail as plain text. You will definitely see it if you read mail as
html and look at the links at the bottom of every message.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Arlene <mailto:nedster66@gmail.com>

Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 5:12 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite
version
of nvda!



Hi, I don't think you can mute the thread. The Mod can. I could be lying. I
just hit the delete key if I don't want to read the thread. Speaking of
older versions of windows. I used to be able to type in a name of a thread
and hit delete. Then it was gone. it was with outlook express. I no longer
use it. But it's okay. I just hit delete!



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lino
Morales
Sent: September-11-17 2:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite
version
of nvda!



Me angry? No sir. Just sick of this thread. I need to mute it.



On 9/11/2017 4:00 PM, Gene wrote:

So, in your view of the world, poor countries don't exist and everyone can
just go out and get a more modern computer and if they don't, its their own
damn fault. Are you aware that even according to the developers own
statements, one of the important reasons NVDA was developed was to serve
those who couldn't afford to buy for profit screen-readers? Why do you
think XP has been supported so long by NVDA? Because the developers
recognize that many users can't get access to newer machines with more
modern versions of Windows.



Also, do you read your messages before you send them? Some of your message
was unintelligible though I gather it was about XP being a vector to
spread
a virus and a good deal else in your message was really sloppy with blatant
typographical errors. If you are angry and make all sorts of mistakes,
that
is particularly the time to read your message before sending it an
correcting it.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

A good deal of your message was almost unintelliggible and I hardly know
what a sentence or two was trying to say. If you are angry and just From:
Lino Morales <mailto:linomorales001@gmail.com>

Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 2:33 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite
version
of nvda!



Sure it is. Time ti get off the XP train. If you don't its your own damn
fault. Theier was a cute little the world famous Patric Perdue sand with
the
help of DecTalk Virus. I'm sticking with WIN 10 and NVDA 2020 if I'm alive
in 2020 when its released. I'm done. Now, but NVDA 2017.3 discusion.



On 9/10/2017 8:50 PM, Randy Barnett wrote:

there's a good 5 or 6 years before 7 is too old...
And "Suck it up buttercup" is very understanding and helpful to people
asking for help...
On 9/10/2017 3:24 PM, Arlene wrote:

Perhaps this person may have a language barrier. I don't know what her
story
is. yes that person's going to be left behind. I know sooner or later 7 is
going to go out just like xp. I'm going to learn ten before 7 becomes a
sinking ship.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lino
Morales
Sent: September-10-17 3:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite
version
of nvda!



I think 2 things. One their is a language barier or 2. This person is 2
chicken nuggits shy of a happy meal. Suck it up butter cup. Either get off
the XP train or get left behinsd. Windows 10. Its good for you.



On 9/10/2017 6:01 PM, Gene wrote:

Perhaps a paradox is an example. Two contradictory statements can't both
be
true although, they can both seem to be until the problem causing such an
appearance is resolved. for example, is light a wave or a particle? For
years, that was a serious problem in quantum mechanics until theories and
models were developed that accounted for both observations.



Gene

------ Original Message -----

From: Antony Stone <mailto:antony.stone@nvda.open.source.it>

Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 1:20 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite
version
of nvda!



I've often wondered about this.

Surely a profound truth is a correct statement.

So, if the opposite of that correct statement is a false statement, how can
it
be another profound truth?


Antony.

On Sunday 10 September 2017 at 19:15:11, Brian Vogel wrote:

The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.

But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.
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"The future is already here. It's just not evenly distributed yet."

- William Gibson

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Latest Master snapshot erased espeak voice dictionary it seems.

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I'm not sure how this has happened, as I've never encountered any dictionary erasures before on updates.

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Re: nvda developers please help me about my favorite version of nvda!

Arlene
 

Oh okay. that’s good to know. I’ve seen mute the thread. At the end of these messages.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: September-11-17 3:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite version of nvda!

 

You can mute any thread if you read any message in that thread as HTML.  There is a mute link at the bottom of messages.  You may not see it if you read mail as plain text.  You will definitely see it if you read mail as html and look at the links at the bottom of every message. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Arlene

Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 5:12 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite version of nvda!

 

Hi, I don’t think you can mute the thread. The Mod can. I could be lying. I just hit the delete key if I don’t want to read the thread.  Speaking of older versions of windows. I used to be able to type in a name of a thread and hit delete. Then it was gone. it was with outlook express. I no longer use it. But it’s okay. I just hit delete! 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: September-11-17 2:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite version of nvda!

 

Me angry? No sir. Just sick of this thread. I need to mute it.

 

On 9/11/2017 4:00 PM, Gene wrote:

So, in your view of the world, poor countries don't exist and everyone can just go out and get a more modern computer and if they don't, its their own damn fault.  Are you aware that even according to the developers own statements, one of the important reasons NVDA was developed was to serve those who couldn't afford to buy for profit screen-readers?  Why do you think XP has been supported so long by NVDA?  Because the developers recognize that many users can't get access to newer machines with more modern versions of Windows.

 

Also, do you read your messages before you send them?  Some of your message was unintelligible  though I gather it was about XP being a vector to spread a virus and a good deal else in your message was really sloppy with blatant typographical errors.  If you are angry and make all sorts of mistakes, that is particularly the time to read your message before sending it an correcting it.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

A good deal of your message was almost unintelliggible and I hardly know what a sentence or two was trying to say.  If you are angry and just From: Lino Morales

Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 2:33 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite version of nvda!

 

Sure it is. Time ti get off the XP train. If you don't its your own damn fault. Theier was a cute little the world famous Patric Perdue sand with the help of DecTalk Virus. I'm sticking with WIN 10 and NVDA 2020 if I'm alive in 2020 when its released. I'm done. Now, but NVDA 2017.3 discusion.

 

On 9/10/2017 8:50 PM, Randy Barnett wrote:

there's a good 5 or 6 years before 7 is too old...
And "Suck it up buttercup" is very understanding and helpful to people asking for help...
On 9/10/2017 3:24 PM, Arlene wrote:

Perhaps this person may have a language barrier. I don’t know what her story is. yes that person’s going to be left behind. I know sooner or later 7 is going to go out just like xp.  I’m going to learn ten before 7 becomes a sinking ship.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: September-10-17 3:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite version of nvda!

 

I think 2 things. One their is a language barier or 2. This person is 2 chicken nuggits shy of a happy meal. Suck it up butter cup. Either get off the XP train or get left behinsd. Windows 10. Its good for you.

 

On 9/10/2017 6:01 PM, Gene wrote:

Perhaps a paradox is an example.  Two contradictory statements can't both be true although, they can both seem to be until the problem causing such an appearance is resolved.  for example, is light a wave or a particle?  For years, that was a serious problem in quantum mechanics until theories and models were developed that accounted for both observations. 

 

Gene

------ Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 1:20 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite version of nvda!

 

I've often wondered about this.

Surely a profound truth is a correct statement.

So, if the opposite of that correct statement is a false statement, how can it
be another profound truth?


Antony.

On Sunday 10 September 2017 at 19:15:11, Brian Vogel wrote:

> The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.
>
> But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.

--
"The future is already here.   It's just not evenly distributed yet."

 - William Gibson

                                                   Please reply to the list;
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Re: its time for skinnable windows

 

Well its happening, an article says in the local paper that we are moving away from the smart phone slowly but surely to.

I also doubt everyone will jump to the cloud just like that.

It doesn't mean we will all have to use windows 10 s.

It does mean that business users may have better access for on the go, etc, but I suspect there will be ways for us home users to continue as we are.

We allready are in the cloud sort of.

Bar my login which I refuse to put in ms account I have multiple ms apps including stores, buy music and programs online via the cloud, have gmail in the cloud, file sharing services in the cloud, and calendars maps, and all that stuff.

We are in the cloud right at this moment.

So its a question of interface and what will happen to it really.

I doubt windows will ever become a subscription I mean you will be able to buy outright.

It may be good for those that can not afford office full or windows full say if they are are on a budget to buy what they need etc.

On 11/09/2017 9:19 p.m., zahra wrote:
hi brian.

i think that microsoft means continual upgrade, or maybe cloud that i
am realy afraid of this.

On 9/11/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
I think we have a while yet though, as many companies use extended support
as they did with XP and I know thatthis effectively increases the time of
the life of a particular version by another 2 years or so. it depends rather

a lot on how Microsoft see the future. If they say and mean Windows 10 is
the last one, do they mean its a continual upgrade, or do they mean their
next system will not even be called windows, or do they mean everyting will

be in the cloud and effectively rented to the customer which will be a
problem for anyone not on a good internet connection.
I've yet to hear a satisfactory answer to this. I do agree though that in
theis day and age we should be able to decide our interface for ALL software

so people can have a less steep learning curve. we should be making it
easier to upgrade by adding features not changing the intface every few
years and stopping people forom using old software.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 3:08 AM
Subject: [nvda] its time for skinnable windows


Hi.

Well changed the subject.

I have always said jean that we the users should be able to do as they do

in linux decide what desktop one uses with a subset of features ofcause.

And the ability to switch entire sessions at will if we desire.

I like windows 10, but if I could use a windows 7 desktop, and a windows
98 desktop and or an xp desktop and menus then I'd be happy.

Ofcause I would have the chance to switch back and forth as I pleased.

There could be some drawbacks for things.

Things like win7 and lower desktops can not run universal apps in their
true universal mode and they would either look like desktops or simply not

run.

Games etc could choose what mode they ran in indipendantly from what you
had.

So an xp game would run just like on xp, etc.

I'd also like the windows 7 style update dialogs back maybe with added
updates histories, articles about them, ways to report bugs easier, and a

few other things.

It goes with out saying you would choose what you wanted.

So I could be comfortable in my own skin but choose when needed to switch

to another skin when needed.

For me for most things copy paste moving files about playing my old games

in windows 7 or xp is fine even the online stuff brousing the net maybe to

who knows.

But if I want an spaciffic ms app I could switch to the win10 interface.

I know we have classic shell, old new explorer, ribbon disabler etc but I

just wish I could run what os desktop I chose like a theme but even more
so.

For us it could also mean we could run our readers depending on what they

were for a certain desktop which means no updates for whatever or
something like that who knows.

Its been something I have been looking for for ages.

The issue has always been that we have to always use the set of features
we are given but we may not need all of them all the time.




On 11/09/2017 1:53 p.m., Gene wrote:
Windows 7 stops being supported in 2020, which is two years and a few
months away. Whether people keep using it will involve the same kinds of

arguments and discussions that have been raised regarding XP.

Gene
----- Original Message -----


From: Randy Barnett
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 7:50 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite
version of nvda!


there's a good 5 or 6 years before 7 is too old...
And "Suck it up buttercup" is very understanding and helpful to people
asking for help...
On 9/10/2017 3:24 PM, Arlene wrote:

Perhaps this person may have a language barrier. I don’t know what her

story is. yes that person’s going to be left behind. I know sooner or
later 7 is going to go out just like xp. I’m going to learn ten before 7

becomes a sinking ship.


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Lino Morales
Sent: September-10-17 3:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite
version of nvda!


I think 2 things. One their is a language barier or 2. This person is

2 chicken nuggits shy of a happy meal. Suck it up butter cup. Either get

off the XP train or get left behinsd. Windows 10. Its good for you.


On 9/10/2017 6:01 PM, Gene wrote:

Perhaps a paradox is an example. Two contradictory statements can't

both be true although, they can both seem to be until the problem causing

such an appearance is resolved. for example, is light a wave or a
particle? For years, that was a serious problem in quantum mechanics
until theories and models were developed that accounted for both
observations.


Gene

------ Original Message -----

From: Antony Stone

Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 1:20 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite

version of nvda!


I've often wondered about this.

Surely a profound truth is a correct statement.

So, if the opposite of that correct statement is a false statement,

how can it
be another profound truth?


Antony.

On Sunday 10 September 2017 at 19:15:11, Brian Vogel wrote:

> The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.
>
> But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound

truth.

--
"The future is already here. It's just not evenly distributed
yet."

- William Gibson

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the list;
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*don't* CC me.











Re: Focus changes that NVDA doesn't seem to notice

 

Sometimes I get this in mozilla software thunderbird, firefox, sometimes on a web page, sometimes if I open bt sync and the program for mozilla whatever it is is running.

Nvda looses focus and I go to desktop and it basically doesn't anounce much bar a few tabs.

I get to system tray hit n hit app key and am able to quit nvda then restart it.

It happens a lot more than I'd like enough that I am annoyed by it not enough for me to downgrade, it did this a lot in aniversary win10, less in creaters but still does it if I don't watch it.

Its happened ever since 16.4 or was it 17.1.

Its been round a while.

The only reason I don't put it out is that it happens hardly enough to be a show stopper but does happen enough that I am carefull.

On 11/09/2017 6:33 p.m., Felix G. wrote:
Hi!
I was wondering if anyone else has experienced the following phenomenon.
Soon after starting Windows, I launch a program, let's say Chrome, and get
no feedback whatsoever about it. In particular, the Chrome window title is
not announced, and neither is the address bar. To test what NVDA is seeing,
I press NVDA+t, and it says "Explorer." However, maintaining the hypothesis
that Chrome indeed has focus, I type a web address and press enter, and
indeed the site opens in Chrome and is read properly by NVDA.
So, a new window became active, and keyboard focus was on a specific
control within this window, but NVDA did not detect this. The NVDA log
shows no irregularities.
Any idea what might be going on and how the effect could be prevented? Is
it a known fact that Windows sometimes does not raise such important
events? Or might there be a timing issue in which NVDA is temporarily
overloaded and thus fails to track them? Would that not generate log
entries?
Kind regards,
Felix


Re: nvda developers please help me about my favorite version of nvda!

Gene
 

You can mute any thread if you read any message in that thread as HTML.  There is a mute link at the bottom of messages.  You may not see it if you read mail as plain text.  You will definitely see it if you read mail as html and look at the links at the bottom of every message. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Arlene
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 5:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite version of nvda!

Hi, I don’t think you can mute the thread. The Mod can. I could be lying. I just hit the delete key if I don’t want to read the thread.  Speaking of older versions of windows. I used to be able to type in a name of a thread and hit delete. Then it was gone. it was with outlook express. I no longer use it. But it’s okay. I just hit delete! 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: September-11-17 2:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite version of nvda!

 

Me angry? No sir. Just sick of this thread. I need to mute it.

 

On 9/11/2017 4:00 PM, Gene wrote:

So, in your view of the world, poor countries don't exist and everyone can just go out and get a more modern computer and if they don't, its their own damn fault.  Are you aware that even according to the developers own statements, one of the important reasons NVDA was developed was to serve those who couldn't afford to buy for profit screen-readers?  Why do you think XP has been supported so long by NVDA?  Because the developers recognize that many users can't get access to newer machines with more modern versions of Windows.

 

Also, do you read your messages before you send them?  Some of your message was unintelligible  though I gather it was about XP being a vector to spread a virus and a good deal else in your message was really sloppy with blatant typographical errors.  If you are angry and make all sorts of mistakes, that is particularly the time to read your message before sending it an correcting it.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

A good deal of your message was almost unintelliggible and I hardly know what a sentence or two was trying to say.  If you are angry and just From: Lino Morales

Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 2:33 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite version of nvda!

 

Sure it is. Time ti get off the XP train. If you don't its your own damn fault. Theier was a cute little the world famous Patric Perdue sand with the help of DecTalk Virus. I'm sticking with WIN 10 and NVDA 2020 if I'm alive in 2020 when its released. I'm done. Now, but NVDA 2017.3 discusion.

 

On 9/10/2017 8:50 PM, Randy Barnett wrote:

there's a good 5 or 6 years before 7 is too old...
And "Suck it up buttercup" is very understanding and helpful to people asking for help...
On 9/10/2017 3:24 PM, Arlene wrote:

Perhaps this person may have a language barrier. I don’t know what her story is. yes that person’s going to be left behind. I know sooner or later 7 is going to go out just like xp.  I’m going to learn ten before 7 becomes a sinking ship.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: September-10-17 3:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite version of nvda!

 

I think 2 things. One their is a language barier or 2. This person is 2 chicken nuggits shy of a happy meal. Suck it up butter cup. Either get off the XP train or get left behinsd. Windows 10. Its good for you.

 

On 9/10/2017 6:01 PM, Gene wrote:

Perhaps a paradox is an example.  Two contradictory statements can't both be true although, they can both seem to be until the problem causing such an appearance is resolved.  for example, is light a wave or a particle?  For years, that was a serious problem in quantum mechanics until theories and models were developed that accounted for both observations. 

 

Gene

------ Original Message -----

From: Antony Stone

Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 1:20 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite version of nvda!

 

I've often wondered about this.

Surely a profound truth is a correct statement.

So, if the opposite of that correct statement is a false statement, how can it
be another profound truth?


Antony.

On Sunday 10 September 2017 at 19:15:11, Brian Vogel wrote:

> The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.
>
> But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.

--
"The future is already here.   It's just not evenly distributed yet."

 - William Gibson

                                                   Please reply to the list;
                                                         please *don't* CC me.


 

 

 

 


Re: nvda developers please help me about my favorite version of nvda!

Arlene
 

Hi, I don’t think you can mute the thread. The Mod can. I could be lying. I just hit the delete key if I don’t want to read the thread.  Speaking of older versions of windows. I used to be able to type in a name of a thread and hit delete. Then it was gone. it was with outlook express. I no longer use it. But it’s okay. I just hit delete! 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: September-11-17 2:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite version of nvda!

 

Me angry? No sir. Just sick of this thread. I need to mute it.

 

On 9/11/2017 4:00 PM, Gene wrote:

So, in your view of the world, poor countries don't exist and everyone can just go out and get a more modern computer and if they don't, its their own damn fault.  Are you aware that even according to the developers own statements, one of the important reasons NVDA was developed was to serve those who couldn't afford to buy for profit screen-readers?  Why do you think XP has been supported so long by NVDA?  Because the developers recognize that many users can't get access to newer machines with more modern versions of Windows.

 

Also, do you read your messages before you send them?  Some of your message was unintelligible  though I gather it was about XP being a vector to spread a virus and a good deal else in your message was really sloppy with blatant typographical errors.  If you are angry and make all sorts of mistakes, that is particularly the time to read your message before sending it an correcting it.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

A good deal of your message was almost unintelliggible and I hardly know what a sentence or two was trying to say.  If you are angry and just From: Lino Morales

Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 2:33 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite version of nvda!

 

Sure it is. Time ti get off the XP train. If you don't its your own damn fault. Theier was a cute little the world famous Patric Perdue sand with the help of DecTalk Virus. I'm sticking with WIN 10 and NVDA 2020 if I'm alive in 2020 when its released. I'm done. Now, but NVDA 2017.3 discusion.

 

On 9/10/2017 8:50 PM, Randy Barnett wrote:

there's a good 5 or 6 years before 7 is too old...
And "Suck it up buttercup" is very understanding and helpful to people asking for help...
On 9/10/2017 3:24 PM, Arlene wrote:

Perhaps this person may have a language barrier. I don’t know what her story is. yes that person’s going to be left behind. I know sooner or later 7 is going to go out just like xp.  I’m going to learn ten before 7 becomes a sinking ship.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: September-10-17 3:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite version of nvda!

 

I think 2 things. One their is a language barier or 2. This person is 2 chicken nuggits shy of a happy meal. Suck it up butter cup. Either get off the XP train or get left behinsd. Windows 10. Its good for you.

 

On 9/10/2017 6:01 PM, Gene wrote:

Perhaps a paradox is an example.  Two contradictory statements can't both be true although, they can both seem to be until the problem causing such an appearance is resolved.  for example, is light a wave or a particle?  For years, that was a serious problem in quantum mechanics until theories and models were developed that accounted for both observations. 

 

Gene

------ Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 1:20 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite version of nvda!

 

I've often wondered about this.

Surely a profound truth is a correct statement.

So, if the opposite of that correct statement is a false statement, how can it
be another profound truth?


Antony.

On Sunday 10 September 2017 at 19:15:11, Brian Vogel wrote:

> The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.
>
> But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.

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Re: nvda developers please help me about my favorite version of nvda!

Lino Morales
 

Me angry? No sir. Just sick of this thread. I need to mute it.


On 9/11/2017 4:00 PM, Gene wrote:
So, in your view of the world, poor countries don't exist and everyone can just go out and get a more modern computer and if they don't, its their own damn fault.  Are you aware that even according to the developers own statements, one of the important reasons NVDA was developed was to serve those who couldn't afford to buy for profit screen-readers?  Why do you think XP has been supported so long by NVDA?  Because the developers recognize that many users can't get access to newer machines with more modern versions of Windows.
 
Also, do you read your messages before you send them?  Some of your message was unintelligible  though I gather it was about XP being a vector to spread a virus and a good deal else in your message was really sloppy with blatant typographical errors.  If you are angry and make all sorts of mistakes, that is particularly the time to read your message before sending it an correcting it.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
A good deal of your message was almost unintelliggible and I hardly know what a sentence or two was trying to say.  If you are angry and just From: Lino Morales
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite version of nvda!

Sure it is. Time ti get off the XP train. If you don't its your own damn fault. Theier was a cute little the world famous Patric Perdue sand with the help of DecTalk Virus. I'm sticking with WIN 10 and NVDA 2020 if I'm alive in 2020 when its released. I'm done. Now, but NVDA 2017.3 discusion.


On 9/10/2017 8:50 PM, Randy Barnett wrote:
there's a good 5 or 6 years before 7 is too old...
And "Suck it up buttercup" is very understanding and helpful to people asking for help...
On 9/10/2017 3:24 PM, Arlene wrote:

Perhaps this person may have a language barrier. I don’t know what her story is. yes that person’s going to be left behind. I know sooner or later 7 is going to go out just like xp.  I’m going to learn ten before 7 becomes a sinking ship.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: September-10-17 3:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite version of nvda!

 

I think 2 things. One their is a language barier or 2. This person is 2 chicken nuggits shy of a happy meal. Suck it up butter cup. Either get off the XP train or get left behinsd. Windows 10. Its good for you.

 

On 9/10/2017 6:01 PM, Gene wrote:

Perhaps a paradox is an example.  Two contradictory statements can't both be true although, they can both seem to be until the problem causing such an appearance is resolved.  for example, is light a wave or a particle?  For years, that was a serious problem in quantum mechanics until theories and models were developed that accounted for both observations. 

 

Gene

------ Original Message -----

From: Antony Stone

Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 1:20 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite version of nvda!

 

I've often wondered about this.

Surely a profound truth is a correct statement.

So, if the opposite of that correct statement is a false statement, how can it
be another profound truth?


Antony.

On Sunday 10 September 2017 at 19:15:11, Brian Vogel wrote:

> The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.
>
> But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.

--
"The future is already here.   It's just not evenly distributed yet."

 - William Gibson

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Re: its time for skinnable windows

Randy Barnett <randy@...>
 

they mean that Win 10 is a service. this means it is constantly updated. Right now 2 updates a year is the planned update schedule.
Every update is like a major update to Jaws. They just arent changeing the name anymore.

On 9/11/2017 12:35 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I think we have a while yet though, as many companies use extended support as they did with XP and I know thatthis effectively increases the  time of the life of a particular version by another 2 years or so. it depends rather a lot on how Microsoft see the future. If they say and mean Windows 10 is the last one, do they mean its a continual upgrade, or do they mean their next system will not even be called windows, or do they mean everyting will be in the cloud and effectively rented to the customer which will be a problem for anyone not  on a good internet connection.
I've yet to hear a satisfactory answer to this. I do agree though that in theis day and age we should be able to decide our interface for ALL software so people can have a less steep learning curve. we should be making it easier to upgrade by adding features not changing the intface every few years and stopping people forom using old software.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 3:08 AM
Subject: [nvda] its time for skinnable windows


Hi.

Well changed the subject.

I have always said jean that we the users should be able to do as they do in linux decide what desktop one uses with a subset of features ofcause.

And the ability to switch entire sessions at will if we desire.

I like windows 10, but if I could use a windows 7 desktop, and a windows 98 desktop and or an xp desktop and menus then I'd be happy.

Ofcause I would have the chance to switch back and forth as I pleased.

There could be some drawbacks for things.

Things like win7 and lower desktops can not run universal apps in their true universal mode and they would either look like desktops or simply not run.

Games etc could choose what mode they ran in indipendantly from what you had.

So an xp game would run just like on xp, etc.

I'd also like the windows 7 style update dialogs back maybe with added updates histories, articles about them, ways to report bugs easier, and a few other things.

It goes with out saying you would choose what you wanted.

So I could be comfortable in my own skin but choose when needed to switch to another skin when needed.

For me for most things copy paste moving files about playing my old games in windows 7 or xp is fine even the online stuff brousing the net maybe to who knows.

But if I want an spaciffic ms app I could switch to the win10 interface.

I know we have classic shell, old new explorer, ribbon disabler etc but I just wish I could run what os desktop I chose like a theme but even more so.

For us it could also mean we could run our readers depending on what they were for a certain desktop which means no updates for whatever or something like that who knows.

Its been something I have been looking for for ages.

The issue has always been that we have to always use the set of features we are given but we may not need all of them all the time.




On 11/09/2017 1:53 p.m., Gene wrote:
Windows 7 stops being supported in 2020, which is two years and a few months away.  Whether people keep using it will involve the same kinds of arguments and discussions that have been raised regarding XP.

Gene
----- Original Message -----


From: Randy Barnett
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 7:50 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite version of nvda!


there's a good 5 or 6 years before 7 is too old...
And "Suck it up buttercup" is very understanding and helpful to people asking for help...
On 9/10/2017 3:24 PM, Arlene wrote:

   Perhaps this person may have a language barrier. I don’t know what her story is. yes that person’s going to be left behind. I know sooner or later 7 is going to go out just like xp.  I’m going to learn ten before 7 becomes a sinking ship.


   From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lino Morales
   Sent: September-10-17 3:20 PM
   To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
   Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite version of nvda!


   I think 2 things. One their is a language barier or 2. This person is 2 chicken nuggits shy of a happy meal. Suck it up butter cup. Either get off the XP train or get left behinsd. Windows 10. Its good for you.


   On 9/10/2017 6:01 PM, Gene wrote:

     Perhaps a paradox is an example.  Two contradictory statements can't both be true although, they can both seem to be until the problem causing such an appearance is resolved. for example, is light a wave or a particle?  For years, that was a serious problem in quantum mechanics until theories and models were developed that accounted for both observations.


     Gene

     ------ Original Message -----

     From: Antony Stone

     Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 1:20 PM

     To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

     Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite version of nvda!


     I've often wondered about this.

     Surely a profound truth is a correct statement.

     So, if the opposite of that correct statement is a false statement, how can it
     be another profound truth?


     Antony.

     On Sunday 10 September 2017 at 19:15:11, Brian Vogel wrote:

     > The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.
     >
     > But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.

     --
     "The future is already here.   It's just not evenly distributed yet."

      - William Gibson

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Re: nvda developers please help me about my favorite version of nvda!

Gene
 

So, in your view of the world, poor countries don't exist and everyone can just go out and get a more modern computer and if they don't, its their own damn fault.  Are you aware that even according to the developers own statements, one of the important reasons NVDA was developed was to serve those who couldn't afford to buy for profit screen-readers?  Why do you think XP has been supported so long by NVDA?  Because the developers recognize that many users can't get access to newer machines with more modern versions of Windows.
 
Also, do you read your messages before you send them?  Some of your message was unintelligible  though I gather it was about XP being a vector to spread a virus and a good deal else in your message was really sloppy with blatant typographical errors.  If you are angry and make all sorts of mistakes, that is particularly the time to read your message before sending it an correcting it.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
A good deal of your message was almost unintelliggible and I hardly know what a sentence or two was trying to say.  If you are angry and just From: Lino Morales
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite version of nvda!

Sure it is. Time ti get off the XP train. If you don't its your own damn fault. Theier was a cute little the world famous Patric Perdue sand with the help of DecTalk Virus. I'm sticking with WIN 10 and NVDA 2020 if I'm alive in 2020 when its released. I'm done. Now, but NVDA 2017.3 discusion.


On 9/10/2017 8:50 PM, Randy Barnett wrote:
there's a good 5 or 6 years before 7 is too old...
And "Suck it up buttercup" is very understanding and helpful to people asking for help...
On 9/10/2017 3:24 PM, Arlene wrote:

Perhaps this person may have a language barrier. I don’t know what her story is. yes that person’s going to be left behind. I know sooner or later 7 is going to go out just like xp.  I’m going to learn ten before 7 becomes a sinking ship.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: September-10-17 3:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite version of nvda!

 

I think 2 things. One their is a language barier or 2. This person is 2 chicken nuggits shy of a happy meal. Suck it up butter cup. Either get off the XP train or get left behinsd. Windows 10. Its good for you.

 

On 9/10/2017 6:01 PM, Gene wrote:

Perhaps a paradox is an example.  Two contradictory statements can't both be true although, they can both seem to be until the problem causing such an appearance is resolved.  for example, is light a wave or a particle?  For years, that was a serious problem in quantum mechanics until theories and models were developed that accounted for both observations. 

 

Gene

------ Original Message -----

From: Antony Stone

Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 1:20 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite version of nvda!

 

I've often wondered about this.

Surely a profound truth is a correct statement.

So, if the opposite of that correct statement is a false statement, how can it
be another profound truth?


Antony.

On Sunday 10 September 2017 at 19:15:11, Brian Vogel wrote:

> The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.
>
> But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.

--
"The future is already here.   It's just not evenly distributed yet."

 - William Gibson

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Re: nvda developers please help me about my favorite version of nvda!

Lino Morales
 

Sure it is. Time ti get off the XP train. If you don't its your own damn fault. Theier was a cute little the world famous Patric Perdue sand with the help of DecTalk Virus. I'm sticking with WIN 10 and NVDA 2020 if I'm alive in 2020 when its released. I'm done. Now, but NVDA 2017.3 discusion.


On 9/10/2017 8:50 PM, Randy Barnett wrote:
there's a good 5 or 6 years before 7 is too old...
And "Suck it up buttercup" is very understanding and helpful to people asking for help...
On 9/10/2017 3:24 PM, Arlene wrote:

Perhaps this person may have a language barrier. I don’t know what her story is. yes that person’s going to be left behind. I know sooner or later 7 is going to go out just like xp.  I’m going to learn ten before 7 becomes a sinking ship.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: September-10-17 3:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite version of nvda!

 

I think 2 things. One their is a language barier or 2. This person is 2 chicken nuggits shy of a happy meal. Suck it up butter cup. Either get off the XP train or get left behinsd. Windows 10. Its good for you.

 

On 9/10/2017 6:01 PM, Gene wrote:

Perhaps a paradox is an example.  Two contradictory statements can't both be true although, they can both seem to be until the problem causing such an appearance is resolved.  for example, is light a wave or a particle?  For years, that was a serious problem in quantum mechanics until theories and models were developed that accounted for both observations. 

 

Gene

------ Original Message -----

From: Antony Stone

Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 1:20 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite version of nvda!

 

I've often wondered about this.

Surely a profound truth is a correct statement.

So, if the opposite of that correct statement is a false statement, how can it
be another profound truth?


Antony.

On Sunday 10 September 2017 at 19:15:11, Brian Vogel wrote:

> The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.
>
> But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.

--
"The future is already here.   It's just not evenly distributed yet."

 - William Gibson

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Re: Focus changes that NVDA doesn't seem to notice

Gene
 

I haven't tested this in Windows 7.  I havbe a Windows 7 machine but I seldom use it on line, using it instead as a recording machine with my stereo, TV radio, and other such uses.  I go online with it on occasion but not regularly. 
 
In Windows XP, when I launch firefox or Chrome, it either takes a long time for NVDA to move to the browser wwindow, or I may have to go to the desktop and then alt tab around to get NVDA to be aware of the Window.  Often, if I just tab around, it is unaware of the window. 
 
It sounds as though this, or a similar problem, or at least a problem with similar symptoms, is seen in later versions of Windows.  In most programs, I don't have this problem but it isn't just browsers.  Tapin Radio is another program with similar behavior.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Felix G.
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Focus changes that NVDA doesn't seem to notice

Hi!
Yes, that's what I would also consider the natural response. For me, unfortunately, it doesn't always see those focus changes in the first place.
I'll do some more testing with different timing constellations, for example, I'll wait until hard drive activity is very low before trying again. Maybe there's a pattern.
Any ideas, anyone, if it's Windows not raising the events, or NVDA failing to process them? Is there a way to find out easily?
Greetings,
Felix

John J. Boyer <john.boyer@...> schrieb am Mo., 11. Sep. 2017 um 16:14 Uhr:
I use a braille display. When I start Firefox NVDA shows the first link on my home page, because that is where Firefox
has placed the cursor. i have always considered this the natural response. If I want to type something in the address
bar I press Alt+d.

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 08:41:44AM +0100, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
> For me its nearly always a browser.
> Brian
>
> bglists@...
> Sent via blueyonder.
> Please address personal email to:-
> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
> in the display name field.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Quentin Christensen"
> <quentin@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 7:35 AM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Focus changes that NVDA doesn't seem to notice
>
>
> >Which version of Windows are you using?  And from the way you've written,
> >I
> >assume Chrome is just an example - it also happens if you open NotePad or
> >Word or Calculator or anything else?
> >
> >On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 4:33 PM, Felix G. <constantlyvariable@...>
> >wrote:
> >
> >>Hi!
> >>I was wondering if anyone else has experienced the following phenomenon.
> >>Soon after starting Windows, I launch a program, let's say Chrome, and
> >>get
> >>no feedback whatsoever about it. In particular, the Chrome window title
> >>is
> >>not announced, and neither is the address bar. To test what NVDA is
> >>seeing,
> >>I press NVDA+t, and it says "Explorer." However, maintaining the
> >>hypothesis
> >>that Chrome indeed has focus, I type a web address and press enter, and
> >>indeed the site opens in Chrome and is read properly by NVDA.
> >>So, a new window became active, and keyboard focus was on a specific
> >>control within this window, but NVDA did not detect this. The NVDA log
> >>shows no irregularities.
> >>Any idea what might be going on and how the effect could be prevented? Is
> >>it a known fact that Windows sometimes does not raise such important
> >>events? Or might there be a timing issue in which NVDA is temporarily
> >>overloaded and thus fails to track them? Would that not generate log
> >>entries?
> >>Kind regards,
> >>Felix
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >--
> >Quentin Christensen
> >Training and Support Manager
> >
> >Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available:
> >http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
> >
> >www.nvaccess.org
> >Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
> >Twitter: @NVAccess
> >
>
>
>
>

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Re: Focus changes that NVDA doesn't seem to notice

John J. Boyer
 

I have a new Windows 10 machine with a 1 TB hard drive and 8 GB of RAM. Machine speed may have something to do with it.

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 02:57:20PM +0000, Felix G. wrote:
Hi!
Yes, that's what I would also consider the natural response. For me,
unfortunately, it doesn't always see those focus changes in the first place.
I'll do some more testing with different timing constellations, for
example, I'll wait until hard drive activity is very low before trying
again. Maybe there's a pattern.
Any ideas, anyone, if it's Windows not raising the events, or NVDA failing
to process them? Is there a way to find out easily?
Greetings,
Felix

John J. Boyer <john.boyer@abilitiessoft.org> schrieb am Mo., 11. Sep. 2017
um 16:14 Uhr:

I use a braille display. When I start Firefox NVDA shows the first link on
my home page, because that is where Firefox
has placed the cursor. i have always considered this the natural response.
If I want to type something in the address
bar I press Alt+d.

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 08:41:44AM +0100, Brian's Mail list account via
Groups.Io wrote:
For me its nearly always a browser.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Quentin Christensen"
<quentin@nvaccess.org>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 7:35 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Focus changes that NVDA doesn't seem to notice


Which version of Windows are you using? And from the way you've
written,
I
assume Chrome is just an example - it also happens if you open NotePad
or
Word or Calculator or anything else?

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 4:33 PM, Felix G. <constantlyvariable@gmail.com
wrote:

Hi!
I was wondering if anyone else has experienced the following
phenomenon.
Soon after starting Windows, I launch a program, let's say Chrome, and
get
no feedback whatsoever about it. In particular, the Chrome window title
is
not announced, and neither is the address bar. To test what NVDA is
seeing,
I press NVDA+t, and it says "Explorer." However, maintaining the
hypothesis
that Chrome indeed has focus, I type a web address and press enter, and
indeed the site opens in Chrome and is read properly by NVDA.
So, a new window became active, and keyboard focus was on a specific
control within this window, but NVDA did not detect this. The NVDA log
shows no irregularities.
Any idea what might be going on and how the effect could be prevented?
Is
it a known fact that Windows sometimes does not raise such important
events? Or might there be a timing issue in which NVDA is temporarily
overloaded and thus fails to track them? Would that not generate log
entries?
Kind regards,
Felix



--
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Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

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Twitter: @NVAccess


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Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA
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services
that are available at no cost





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Email: john.boyer@abilitiessoft.org
website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org
Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live.
Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA
Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM services
that are available at no cost


Re: Focus changes that NVDA doesn't seem to notice

Felix G.
 

Hi!
Yes, that's what I would also consider the natural response. For me, unfortunately, it doesn't always see those focus changes in the first place.
I'll do some more testing with different timing constellations, for example, I'll wait until hard drive activity is very low before trying again. Maybe there's a pattern.
Any ideas, anyone, if it's Windows not raising the events, or NVDA failing to process them? Is there a way to find out easily?
Greetings,
Felix

John J. Boyer <john.boyer@...> schrieb am Mo., 11. Sep. 2017 um 16:14 Uhr:

I use a braille display. When I start Firefox NVDA shows the first link on my home page, because that is where Firefox
has placed the cursor. i have always considered this the natural response. If I want to type something in the address
bar I press Alt+d.

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 08:41:44AM +0100, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
> For me its nearly always a browser.
> Brian
>
> bglists@...
> Sent via blueyonder.
> Please address personal email to:-
> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
> in the display name field.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Quentin Christensen"
> <quentin@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 7:35 AM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Focus changes that NVDA doesn't seem to notice
>
>
> >Which version of Windows are you using?  And from the way you've written,
> >I
> >assume Chrome is just an example - it also happens if you open NotePad or
> >Word or Calculator or anything else?
> >
> >On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 4:33 PM, Felix G. <constantlyvariable@...>
> >wrote:
> >
> >>Hi!
> >>I was wondering if anyone else has experienced the following phenomenon.
> >>Soon after starting Windows, I launch a program, let's say Chrome, and
> >>get
> >>no feedback whatsoever about it. In particular, the Chrome window title
> >>is
> >>not announced, and neither is the address bar. To test what NVDA is
> >>seeing,
> >>I press NVDA+t, and it says "Explorer." However, maintaining the
> >>hypothesis
> >>that Chrome indeed has focus, I type a web address and press enter, and
> >>indeed the site opens in Chrome and is read properly by NVDA.
> >>So, a new window became active, and keyboard focus was on a specific
> >>control within this window, but NVDA did not detect this. The NVDA log
> >>shows no irregularities.
> >>Any idea what might be going on and how the effect could be prevented? Is
> >>it a known fact that Windows sometimes does not raise such important
> >>events? Or might there be a timing issue in which NVDA is temporarily
> >>overloaded and thus fails to track them? Would that not generate log
> >>entries?
> >>Kind regards,
> >>Felix
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >--
> >Quentin Christensen
> >Training and Support Manager
> >
> >Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available:
> >http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
> >
> >www.nvaccess.org
> >Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
> >Twitter: @NVAccess
> >
>
>
>
>

--
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Re: Focus changes that NVDA doesn't seem to notice

John J. Boyer
 

I use a braille display. When I start Firefox NVDA shows the first link on my home page, because that is where Firefox
has placed the cursor. i have always considered this the natural response. If I want to type something in the address
bar I press Alt+d.

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Quentin Christensen"
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 7:35 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Focus changes that NVDA doesn't seem to notice


Which version of Windows are you using? And from the way you've written,
I
assume Chrome is just an example - it also happens if you open NotePad or
Word or Calculator or anything else?

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 4:33 PM, Felix G. <constantlyvariable@gmail.com>
wrote:

Hi!
I was wondering if anyone else has experienced the following phenomenon.
Soon after starting Windows, I launch a program, let's say Chrome, and
get
no feedback whatsoever about it. In particular, the Chrome window title
is
not announced, and neither is the address bar. To test what NVDA is
seeing,
I press NVDA+t, and it says "Explorer." However, maintaining the
hypothesis
that Chrome indeed has focus, I type a web address and press enter, and
indeed the site opens in Chrome and is read properly by NVDA.
So, a new window became active, and keyboard focus was on a specific
control within this window, but NVDA did not detect this. The NVDA log
shows no irregularities.
Any idea what might be going on and how the effect could be prevented? Is
it a known fact that Windows sometimes does not raise such important
events? Or might there be a timing issue in which NVDA is temporarily
overloaded and thus fails to track them? Would that not generate log
entries?
Kind regards,
Felix



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Re: Focus changes that NVDA doesn't seem to notice

Felix G.
 

You mean, after opening the window, when you wait for, say, five minutes, it will indeed start reading by itself at some point?
Greetings,
Felix


Sally Kiebdaj <fiddle.pup@...> schrieb am Mo., 11. Sep. 2017 um 13:34 Uhr:

I have also seen this when opening Firefox but not only when the computer starts. For me, it is any time I launch a Firefox after it was closed. It seems to be a matter of lag as the window will read properly if I wait long enough.

Windows 7 sp1, NVDA 17.3 on a fast machine.

Cheers, Sally


On Sep 11, 2017 05:02, "Felix G." <constantlyvariable@...> wrote:
Hi!
Yes, Windows 10 Creator's Update, NVDA 2017.3, and browsers are primarily affected by this. With Notepad or Calculator I can't recall ever observing it, but then again I usually launch a browser first thing.
Kind regards,
Felix

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 7:35 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Focus changes that NVDA doesn't seem to notice


> Which version of Windows are you using?  And from the way you've written,
> I
> assume Chrome is just an example - it also happens if you open NotePad or
> Word or Calculator or anything else?
>
> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 4:33 PM, Felix G. <constantlyvariable@...>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi!
>> I was wondering if anyone else has experienced the following phenomenon.
>> Soon after starting Windows, I launch a program, let's say Chrome, and
>> get
>> no feedback whatsoever about it. In particular, the Chrome window title
>> is
>> not announced, and neither is the address bar. To test what NVDA is
>> seeing,
>> I press NVDA+t, and it says "Explorer." However, maintaining the
>> hypothesis
>> that Chrome indeed has focus, I type a web address and press enter, and
>> indeed the site opens in Chrome and is read properly by NVDA.
>> So, a new window became active, and keyboard focus was on a specific
>> control within this window, but NVDA did not detect this. The NVDA log
>> shows no irregularities.
>> Any idea what might be going on and how the effect could be prevented? Is
>> it a known fact that Windows sometimes does not raise such important
>> events? Or might there be a timing issue in which NVDA is temporarily
>> overloaded and thus fails to track them? Would that not generate log
>> entries?
>> Kind regards,
>> Felix
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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> Training and Support Manager
>
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> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>
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>





Re: Focus changes that NVDA doesn't seem to notice

Sally Kiebdaj
 

I have also seen this when opening Firefox but not only when the computer starts. For me, it is any time I launch a Firefox after it was closed. It seems to be a matter of lag as the window will read properly if I wait long enough.

Windows 7 sp1, NVDA 17.3 on a fast machine.

Cheers, Sally


On Sep 11, 2017 05:02, "Felix G." <constantlyvariable@...> wrote:
Hi!
Yes, Windows 10 Creator's Update, NVDA 2017.3, and browsers are primarily affected by this. With Notepad or Calculator I can't recall ever observing it, but then again I usually launch a browser first thing.
Kind regards,
Felix

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 7:35 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Focus changes that NVDA doesn't seem to notice


> Which version of Windows are you using?  And from the way you've written,
> I
> assume Chrome is just an example - it also happens if you open NotePad or
> Word or Calculator or anything else?
>
> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 4:33 PM, Felix G. <constantlyvariable@...>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi!
>> I was wondering if anyone else has experienced the following phenomenon.
>> Soon after starting Windows, I launch a program, let's say Chrome, and
>> get
>> no feedback whatsoever about it. In particular, the Chrome window title
>> is
>> not announced, and neither is the address bar. To test what NVDA is
>> seeing,
>> I press NVDA+t, and it says "Explorer." However, maintaining the
>> hypothesis
>> that Chrome indeed has focus, I type a web address and press enter, and
>> indeed the site opens in Chrome and is read properly by NVDA.
>> So, a new window became active, and keyboard focus was on a specific
>> control within this window, but NVDA did not detect this. The NVDA log
>> shows no irregularities.
>> Any idea what might be going on and how the effect could be prevented? Is
>> it a known fact that Windows sometimes does not raise such important
>> events? Or might there be a timing issue in which NVDA is temporarily
>> overloaded and thus fails to track them? Would that not generate log
>> entries?
>> Kind regards,
>> Felix
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Quentin Christensen
> Training and Support Manager
>
> Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available:
> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>
> www.nvaccess.org
> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
> Twitter: @NVAccess
>