Date   

Re: How To Search

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

hi


use the following


nvda key + ctrl key + the letter F then enter in what you are looking for.


to find the next occurrence of it use the nvda key + f3 key.


gene nz





On 10/6/2017 1:58 AM, Howard Traxler wrote:
Thanks Antony,
Right now, firefox comes up to read the NVDA user guide.  Using the firefox find command, control f, gives me the search dialog, I put in the word ("search" in this case) and tab to the find next button and press the spacebar or enter.  Nothing happens.  Does NVDA have its own find function that I'm missing?

Thanks.
Howard
----- Original Message ----- From: "Antony Stone" <antony.stone@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2017 7:37 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How To Search


Which application are you trying to search in?

Antony.

On Thursday 05 October 2017 at 14:02:39, Howard Traxler wrote:

Is there a trick way to search for a word or phrase in a page or document?
I thought it might be just control f but it seems not?

Thanks.

Howard

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Re: Sound Indicators

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


Use the nvda key + letter U. it will toggle between it be spoken and sounds.


if you want the reporting of back ground bars you need to go into object presentation and just under it is a setting to turn it on where it it says progress bars out put.



gene nz



On 10/6/2017 2:34 AM, Howard Traxler wrote:
Before I updated my NVDA, I got a series of ascending tones while getting mail, downloading, and other operations.  The update took it away.  Can't seem to find a place in the menus where I can get it back.  Any ideas?  Thanks.
Howard

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Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: Windows 10 is Very, Very Broken

 

Well a system hang could be many things.

The fact that it just did without warning suggests hardware.

But if a small fan failed you wouldn't know.

If a drive failed you may or may not hear it.

Chances are though that all you need do is hit enter to get things back.

One thing that the user should try.

if you use delete or whatever key that goes to the cmos does it do it.

If it does, if you use a live cd with linux or something does it load.

If the latter then I'll accept the windows issue.

Does the pc even turn on.

I had a server box I was working with, that had been hanging for ages, I turned it on to transfer all data to new hardware and it didn't power, I tried again, and it still didn't power.

Later on the shop confirmed the raid boards and more importantly the boards that were the keys to all the data on the drives were on fire.

We had to pay recovery to get the data.

However to be honest there is a good chance your data is still in tact.

Since windows manages drivers if it hangs you see something and it would restart.

I had a display card do this, run the system suddenly it hangs.

I did a restart, windows detected the display had hung the system, the error was intercepted by the driver software and sent to the right places, I was ordered to update the driver in fact was told how or rathr that there was a firmware bug and asked to patch it.

Chances are most stuff like that well who knows.

A sudden hang without any warning suggests that you have one of the following 3 failiers.

1.  psu or main power pack that can  happen.

Less commen is a bad cord though you would notice internal cords failing or something before that.

The processer failed.

That would actually smell if it did, the main fan needs to jam on a pc and you would hear that happening before it did.

The performance would go nuts same with a pc being full of dust.

I had a pc fail on me for that reason it had been racing with fans up to the max all day long and I had wandered about it I did clear it out but not before some stuff died in it and I had to replace it.

If a small fan failed well yeah I admit if that or your sync failed you wouldn't know about that till you actually noticed dammage.

A video card or other card failed, yeah they actually do fail.

You have bad ram, could happen like that ram does fail.

Your board could fail, this is less likely.

Your firmware has an issue.

This is not a problem if you can get it updated or reflashed and stuff.

Its unlikely you could have a virus or malware or any major software issue unless something is covered up that is.

Software could generated a critical stop so could drivers do of 0x000 which basically means something it did went beyond the capabilities of the processer like an overflow or something dumb, but there are so many checks thats almost nonexistant now.

If you didn't see smoke that doesn't mean the supply didn't just die.

I once had the main system fail, and hang then die, the only thing I heard was a small pop like when I get a fax.

If I was not in the same room as it I wouldn't have noticed.

On 6/10/2017 7:04 a.m., Gene wrote:
Consider what happened. With no previous report of problems, the system completely hung. It didn't reboot. We don't know what, if any errors were on screen. All this is pure speculation as to causes, corrupted files, the registry, whatever people want to speculate about. Why would a properly functioning system suddently completely hang and then not reboot? Until we find out what, if any error messages are on screen and if Windows even tries to boot, this is all speculation. I suspect a hardware problem. Others suspect other causes. I consider it premature to advise any course of action without more information.

Gene
-----

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2017 11:36 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 is Very, Very Broken


The opposite can also be true, Most software messes with the registry, it
can cock it up on install, or on uninstall if it does not remember to
reregister any dll files it has changed or altered the classification of in
either case. Been there, done that got the T Shirt during xp days.
Its normally the dll files associated with the vearious access APIs that get
clobbered as the original developer probably never tested if screenreaders
wworked before passing the code for distribution. Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Mallard" <mallard@kimabe.eu>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2017 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 is Very, Very Broken


Hello Noah,


I wenth through a very similar ordeal during the summer.

Sighted people could use the pc, but I couldn't. My husband tried fixing
Windows in all possible ways, with all possible tools. Nothing doing. We
couldn't even restore the pc.

We were two seconds away from formatting, when all of a sudden he
mentioned a couple of programmes that I said I didn't want to be
reinstalled. He removed one, and nothing happened. But when he removed
the other one (a Bible app I needed for a translation I was doing for
our church group), all got back to normal.


Make sure you haven't installed any software recently, which might have
interfered with NVDA, before you do anything dramatic like reformatting.


This is probably not your case, but better be safe than sorry, so I
shared it. It might help someone.

Ciao,

Ollie





Il 04/10/2017 23:26, Noah Carver via Groups.Io ha scritto:
Hello List,

So, my Windows 10 is really pitching a fit! This all started when I had to
forse shut down my win10 machine using the power butten, because of a
total system hang. Then, I turned the machine back on. But NVDA did not
come back to life. I tried turning on Narrator, and it wouldn't talk.
So I asked my dad to come and look at my screen. According to him, even
when I pressed keys on the keyboard, the log in box wouldn't appear.
I've tried ctrl alt del, I’ve tried rebooting, nothing works. Any help
would be greatly appreciated. I have a radio show in two days, and I have
no backup machine.

Cheers,

Noah Carver








Re: NVDA AND CCleaner No speech on win 7 after clean issue.

Gene
 

I'm not sure what you are saying about Avast.  The malware was in the program itself, not in Avast.  I believe the company that owns Avast now owns CCleaner but Avast itself had nothing to do with the problem.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2017 12:40 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA AND CCleaner No speech on win 7 after clean issue.

Well maybe they saw sence then.

On the malware effected version and the version after, I got avast,
maybe they realised how much of an actual issue avast actually was or at
least I hope so.

interestingly enough the malware only effected 32 bit systems.

I had 1 of these with the effected version without auto moniter on and I
did do a full malwarebytes scan and found nothing.

Its good the potential attack was removed but sadly there are a lot of
supposed news sites that are blowing this all out of proportion.

 From the ccleaner blog it looked like the malware payloads were never
activated and were detected early.

The issue was fixed, end of story.

Yet there are many so called sites saying you should reformat and
reinstall windows and that you should either use the latest ccleaner or
use their own probably scareware filled program instead.

I did go through a full malware scan on the 1 effected 32bit system I
owned and within 30 minutes found that in fact there was no problem.

As far as I am concerned the hack happened when ccleaner went with avast.

And the easiest solution to fix this is to have piriform leave avast
completely as ccleaner never got hacked before that.




On 5/10/2017 10:16 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
> I don't see avast on the one I downloaded last week. Maybe you get
> this if you use the payed for versions.
> Brian
>
> bglists@...
> Sent via blueyonder.
> Please address personal email to:-
> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
> in the display name field.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2017 2:43 AM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA AND CCleaner No speech on win 7 after clean
> issue.
>
>
>> None have malware, the latest versions do have avast but if you are
>> carefull to read the boxes you can uncheck it and its not exactly
>> malware though its sneakily put in.
>>
>> It is interesting to note though that after the ccleaner hack that
>> was removed and I do wander that with the introduction of avast if
>> someone managed to partly hack the routeens.
>>
>> CCleaner was fine before avast came in, it got hacked when avast came
>> in.
>>
>> If I were piriform I'd ditch avast and go back to where I was before.
>>
>> They allready have google toolbars and the like and google previde a
>> lot more for what they take than avast does.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 5/10/2017 9:33 a.m., Antony Stone wrote:
>>> Which version has malware?
>>>
>>> Antony.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday 04 October 2017 at 20:40:40, zahra wrote:
>>>
>>>> hello.
>>>> which version do you use exactly?
>>>> i asked because i am afraid that you use the version which has
>>>> malware!
>>>>
>>>> On 10/4/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
>>>>
>>>> <bglists@...> wrote:
>>>>> Well I'm using it on windows 7. Could I ask if its the 64 bit or
>>>>> 32 bit
>>>>> portable version?
>>>>>
>>>>>   I find the 64 bit one actually more reliable, andas long as you
>>>>> do not
>>>>> change the defaults its not mucking anything screenreader like up.
>>>>> I did
>>>>> of course download the version without the malware when prompted.
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "John from Woodside Apps via Groups.Io"
>>>>> <jjsturt@...>
>>>>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2017 12:19 PM
>>>>> Subject: [nvda] NVDA AND CCleaner No speech on win 7 after clean
>>>>> issue.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi All
>>>>>> As per subject line suggests I get no speech after a clean
>>>>>> with the CCleaner program.
>>>>>> I have to restart the machine to get the speech back.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> NVDA 2017.3
>>>>>> Win 7 Pro 64bit
>>>>>> CCleaner 5. a clean version
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I run the cleaner on the default settings.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any help?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
> .
>




Re: Slightly OT: Is there a way to tell if a Windows update is a major upgrade?

John Isige
 

Thanks Joseph and Austin for answering my question. As for everybody
else, I don't make the stuff, I just run it. I'm sure I'm not the only
one running legal Eloquence, so if anybody else is, feel free to
complain to Code Factory about it. It's the SAPI version, in case that
matters. To be fair to them they state it right in their FAQ and when
you install, if I recall rightly. They're also not the only people to do
this, quite a few audio games do, or at least did, the same sort of
thing, if anything major in the machine changes, you need a new key. I
agree, it's a really annoying form of licensing. But it is what it is,
and all I wanted to know was a way to work with it effectively.

On 10/5/2017 0:10, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

If you are on fast ring, chances are that you might in fact be running
what others will get starting on the 17^th .

Cheers,

Joseph

*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
*Sarah k Alawami
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 4, 2017 10:09 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Slightly OT: Is there a way to tell if a Windows
update is a major upgrade?

Ah good. I guess i'll just pay attention when I receive my update
probably on Friday, Tuesday, or when ever it gets to be released to
me. I'm on the fast ring so it's almost every day I get something to
test. Oh fun fun.

Take care



On Oct 4, 2017, at 8:53 PM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com
<mailto:joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi,
People in the Win10 Forum will be the first to know, as early as
by midnight
my time.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From:nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
Of Sarah k
Alawami
Sent: Wednesday, October 4, 2017 8:51 PM
To:nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Slightly OT: Is there a way to tell if a
Windows update
is a major upgrade?

Nice. Did I mis this? I'm a part of the insider I guess I'll find
out in 2
weeks eh?

Take care and I do agree. Forcing you to relicense when a major
update comes
is not acceptable in my humble opinion.


On Oct 4, 2017, at 8:36 PM, Joseph Lee
<joseph.lee22590@gmail.com <mailto:joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>>
wrote:

Hi,
Usually the feature (major) update is shown as "Feature update
to Windows

10, Version my". Starting on October 17th, some folks will see an
entry
called "Feature update to Windows 10, Version 1709" as part of a
list of
updates.

An important thing to note: starting from the feature update
coming out

this month, individual updates will have their own installation
progress
messages.

Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Austin Pinto
Sent: Wednesday, October 4, 2017 8:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Slightly OT: Is there a way to tell if a
Windows

update is a major upgrade?


hi.
its easy to tell when a major update has arrived.
if you go to settings and then updates it will tell you
something like

windows 10 build 16299 or so on.

if it says this its a major upgrade.
if it tells its a cumulative update then its a small one.
if you are a member of the windows10 forum on groups.io
<http://groups.io> you will
always know when is the major update arriving there is a major
update
arriving on 17th october and for some it has already arrived

On 10/5/17, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com
<mailto:britechguy@gmail.com>> wrote:

Regardless of the gyrations one can or cannot take under
the various
editions of Windows 10 to defer updates, there is
absolutely no
excuse, two years plus into the Windows as a service era,
for any
application software treating Windows 10 updates as
anything but routine.

The vendors who do not need to have their customers
holding their
feet to the fire.  This update delivery paradigm is not
going away
and for application software not to recognize it is
outrageous, to put it

mildly.


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Re: In-Process 5th October

 

can some one tell me what the heck a meme is?



On 10/5/2017 2:17 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi Kostadin,

Thanks so much for sharing your experience!

Yes, Facebook is a good source of memes and images in text.  I must admit, I do wish they were a better source of consistent and accessible web design ;)

On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 6:59 PM, Kostadin Kolev <k.kolev1985@...> wrote:

Hello Quentin and all,

Quentin, I'm very happy that the NV Access team can meat up in person. The team of the small firm that I work for here in Bulgaria (at the moment there are somewhere between 10 and 20 people on our team) is also scattered around the country and we also communicate with each other via internet and phone. This summer however, the firm has managed to organize two seminars for team building and we were able to meat with each other. I was very happy to meat with most of my colleagues at those seminars, so I know what the feeling is.

And now to two examples of good usage that I was able to find for the Windows 10 OCR feature in NVDA.

The first one is with images with text in them on the internet. In Facebook, I'm subscribed to a bulgarian Facebook group for jokes and humor. In some cases, the participants there post jokes the text of which is written in images. That was making them unreadable with a screen reader. But not anymore, thanks to the Windows 10 OCR functionality in NVDA. Now all I have to do is move the browse mode cursor to the image with text in it, press NVDA+R, wait a few seconds and then read the result. Since the text in most cases is in bulgarian, by default I set the Windows 10 OCR language in the NVDA preferences to "Bulgarian" and change it to english if needs be.

The second example is with text in videos. I personally don't have enough vision left to be able to play games efficiently, so I have to settle with watching videos in YouTube played by other gamers. In some of those games, the character picks a note for example. Probably because the note is handwritten, the game displays it in an overlay on the screen in printed text (in most cases on a darker background with lighter color for the text). Sometimes the YouTube gamers do read the text of the note, but not always. It would be hard for me to read such notes on my own. In one of the last such games that I've watched, my favorite YouTube gamer - DanQ8000 - did not read most of those notes for some reason. I was just going to ask him to do it for the future videos, when I realized what else I can do to read those notes on my own. And that is - use the Windows 10 OCR in NVDA to do it. So, I've switched the OCR language to english (since the text of the notes was in english); switched the video to full screen mode (I usually watch it that way); paused the video to the spot where the note is displayed; pressed NVDA+R and when the result was ready, I've read it. The OCR accuracy was good enough, so I did not had troubles understanding the meaning of the text.

So, big thanks go to NV Access and Microsoft for this wonderful OCR functionality!

P.S.: In my observations, the accuracy of the Windows 10 OCR is much better from the one provided by the additional add-on, specially for bulgarian. That is why I prefer the Windows 10 OCR in comparison with the additional OCR add-on for NVDA.

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev


На 5.10.2017 г. в 2:54, Quentin Christensen написа:
Hi everyone,

This week's In-Process is out, featuring NV Access in Melbourne, avocado juice, and a practical exercise in using OCR.


#NVDAsr

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Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

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Re: Windows 10 is Very, Very Broken

Gene
 

Consider what happened.  With no previous report of problems, the system completely hung.  It didn't reboot.  We don't know what, if any errors were on screen.  All this is pure speculation as to causes, corrupted files, the registry, whatever people want to speculate about.  Why would a properly functioning system suddently completely hang and then not reboot?  Until we find out what, if any error messages are on screen and if Windows even tries to boot, this is all speculation. I suspect a hardware problem.  Others suspect other causes.  I consider it premature to advise any course of action without more information. 
 
Gene
-----

Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2017 11:36 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 is Very, Very Broken

The opposite can also be true, Most software messes with the registry, it
can cock it up on install, or on uninstall if it does not remember to
reregister any dll files it has changed or altered the classification of in
either case. Been there, done that got the T Shirt during xp days.
Its normally the dll files associated with the vearious access APIs that get
clobbered as the original developer probably never tested if screenreaders
wworked before passing the code for distribution. Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mallard" <mallard@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2017 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 is Very, Very Broken


Hello Noah,


I wenth through a very similar ordeal during the summer.

Sighted people could use the pc, but I couldn't. My husband tried fixing
Windows in all possible ways, with all possible tools. Nothing doing. We
couldn't even restore the pc.

We were two seconds away from formatting, when all of a sudden he
mentioned a couple of programmes that I said I didn't want to be
reinstalled. He removed one, and nothing happened. But when he removed
the other one (a Bible app I needed for a translation I was doing for
our church group), all got back to normal.


Make sure you haven't installed any software recently, which might have
interfered with NVDA, before you do anything dramatic like reformatting.


This is probably not your case, but better be safe than sorry, so I
shared it. It might help someone.

Ciao,

Ollie





Il 04/10/2017 23:26, Noah Carver via Groups.Io ha scritto:
> Hello List,
>
> So, my Windows 10 is really pitching a fit! This all started when I had to
> forse shut down my win10 machine using the power butten, because of a
> total system hang. Then, I turned the machine back on. But NVDA did not
> come back to life. I tried turning on Narrator, and it wouldn't talk.
> So I asked my dad to come and look at my screen. According to him, even
> when I pressed keys on the keyboard, the log in box wouldn't appear.
> I've tried ctrl alt del, I’ve tried rebooting, nothing works. Any help
> would be greatly appreciated. I have a radio show in two days, and I have
> no backup machine.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Noah Carver
>
>
>
>







Re: In-Process 5th October

 

Hello

I never thought that the ocr could read stuff from youtube pictures and the like

I watch a youtube gamer called

stacy plays

she does tons of minecraft games and some minecraft mods
fore the most part she describes everything that she is doing but there are a few times when she doesn't and so I will have to try the ocr feature

On 10/5/2017 12:59 AM, Kostadin Kolev wrote:

Hello Quentin and all,

Quentin, I'm very happy that the NV Access team can meat up in person. The team of the small firm that I work for here in Bulgaria (at the moment there are somewhere between 10 and 20 people on our team) is also scattered around the country and we also communicate with each other via internet and phone. This summer however, the firm has managed to organize two seminars for team building and we were able to meat with each other. I was very happy to meat with most of my colleagues at those seminars, so I know what the feeling is.

And now to two examples of good usage that I was able to find for the Windows 10 OCR feature in NVDA.

The first one is with images with text in them on the internet. In Facebook, I'm subscribed to a bulgarian Facebook group for jokes and humor. In some cases, the participants there post jokes the text of which is written in images. That was making them unreadable with a screen reader. But not anymore, thanks to the Windows 10 OCR functionality in NVDA. Now all I have to do is move the browse mode cursor to the image with text in it, press NVDA+R, wait a few seconds and then read the result. Since the text in most cases is in bulgarian, by default I set the Windows 10 OCR language in the NVDA preferences to "Bulgarian" and change it to english if needs be.

The second example is with text in videos. I personally don't have enough vision left to be able to play games efficiently, so I have to settle with watching videos in YouTube played by other gamers. In some of those games, the character picks a note for example. Probably because the note is handwritten, the game displays it in an overlay on the screen in printed text (in most cases on a darker background with lighter color for the text). Sometimes the YouTube gamers do read the text of the note, but not always. It would be hard for me to read such notes on my own. In one of the last such games that I've watched, my favorite YouTube gamer - DanQ8000 - did not read most of those notes for some reason. I was just going to ask him to do it for the future videos, when I realized what else I can do to read those notes on my own. And that is - use the Windows 10 OCR in NVDA to do it. So, I've switched the OCR language to english (since the text of the notes was in english); switched the video to full screen mode (I usually watch it that way); paused the video to the spot where the note is displayed; pressed NVDA+R and when the result was ready, I've read it. The OCR accuracy was good enough, so I did not had troubles understanding the meaning of the text.

So, big thanks go to NV Access and Microsoft for this wonderful OCR functionality!

P.S.: In my observations, the accuracy of the Windows 10 OCR is much better from the one provided by the additional add-on, specially for bulgarian. That is why I prefer the Windows 10 OCR in comparison with the additional OCR add-on for NVDA.

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev


На 5.10.2017 г. в 2:54, Quentin Christensen написа:
Hi everyone,

This week's In-Process is out, featuring NV Access in Melbourne, avocado juice, and a practical exercise in using OCR.


#NVDAsr

--
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Training and Support Manager

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Re: NVDA AND CCleaner No speech on win 7 after clean issue.

 

I havn't had issues with ccleaner on win7 like this win10 yeah no speech during a clean especially if you have to deal with a lot of files.

I use both to be honest.

You probably have something else going and should probably reinstall windows to be honest.

Your system shouldn't take 30 minutes to restart unless the hard drive is fragmented fully.

I always clear my junk though each net session end just in case I picked up some malware in the temp locations and such.

On 6/10/2017 12:59 a.m., John from Woodside Apps via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi All once again
I tried several setups and kept on getting the no speech issue.
So i am now not using CCleaner I went back to
the disk clean utility n Win 7.

It found over 8gb of old files which CCleaner had not.
While this sounds great after restarting my machine it sat and blinked at me for about 30 minutes before coming back to life.



So beware and Tinkety Tonk.




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On 05/10/2017 10:16, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I don't see avast on the one I downloaded last week. Maybe you get this
if you use the payed for versions.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
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Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2017 2:43 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA AND CCleaner No speech on win 7 after clean issue.


None have malware, the latest versions do have avast but if you are
carefull to read the boxes you can uncheck it and its not exactly
malware though its sneakily put in.

It is interesting to note though that after the ccleaner hack that was
removed and I do wander that with the introduction of avast if someone
managed to partly hack the routeens.

CCleaner was fine before avast came in, it got hacked when avast came in.

If I were piriform I'd ditch avast and go back to where I was before.

They allready have google toolbars and the like and google previde a
lot more for what they take than avast does.




On 5/10/2017 9:33 a.m., Antony Stone wrote:
Which version has malware?

Antony.

On Wednesday 04 October 2017 at 20:40:40, zahra wrote:

hello.
which version do you use exactly?
i asked because i am afraid that you use the version which has malware!

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<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
Well I'm using it on windows 7. Could I ask if its the 64 bit or 32
bit
portable version?

  I find the 64 bit one actually more reliable, andas long as you
do not
change the defaults its not mucking anything screenreader like up.
I did
of course download the version without the malware when prompted.

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Subject: [nvda] NVDA AND CCleaner No speech on win 7 after clean
issue.

Hi All
As per subject line suggests I get no speech after a clean
with the CCleaner program.
I have to restart the machine to get the speech back.

NVDA 2017.3
Win 7 Pro 64bit
CCleaner 5. a clean version

I run the cleaner on the default settings.

Any help?





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Re: NVDA AND CCleaner No speech on win 7 after clean issue.

 

Well maybe they saw sence then.

On the malware effected version and the version after, I got avast, maybe they realised how much of an actual issue avast actually was or at least I hope so.

interestingly enough the malware only effected 32 bit systems.

I had 1 of these with the effected version without auto moniter on and I did do a full malwarebytes scan and found nothing.

Its good the potential attack was removed but sadly there are a lot of supposed news sites that are blowing this all out of proportion.

From the ccleaner blog it looked like the malware payloads were never activated and were detected early.

The issue was fixed, end of story.

Yet there are many so called sites saying you should reformat and reinstall windows and that you should either use the latest ccleaner or use their own probably scareware filled program instead.

I did go through a full malware scan on the 1 effected 32bit system I owned and within 30 minutes found that in fact there was no problem.

As far as I am concerned the hack happened when ccleaner went with avast.

And the easiest solution to fix this is to have piriform leave avast completely as ccleaner never got hacked before that.

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I don't see avast on the one I downloaded last week. Maybe you get this if you use the payed for versions.
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Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2017 2:43 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA AND CCleaner No speech on win 7 after clean issue.


None have malware, the latest versions do have avast but if you are carefull to read the boxes you can uncheck it and its not exactly malware though its sneakily put in.

It is interesting to note though that after the ccleaner hack that was removed and I do wander that with the introduction of avast if someone managed to partly hack the routeens.

CCleaner was fine before avast came in, it got hacked when avast came in.

If I were piriform I'd ditch avast and go back to where I was before.

They allready have google toolbars and the like and google previde a lot more for what they take than avast does.




On 5/10/2017 9:33 a.m., Antony Stone wrote:
Which version has malware?

Antony.

On Wednesday 04 October 2017 at 20:40:40, zahra wrote:

hello.
which version do you use exactly?
i asked because i am afraid that you use the version which has malware!

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<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
Well I'm using it on windows 7. Could I ask if its the 64 bit or 32 bit
portable version?

  I find the 64 bit one actually more reliable, andas long as you do not
change the defaults its not mucking anything screenreader like up. I did
of course download the version without the malware when prompted.

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Subject: [nvda] NVDA AND CCleaner No speech on win 7 after clean issue.

Hi All
As per subject line suggests I get no speech after a clean
with the CCleaner program.
I have to restart the machine to get the speech back.

NVDA 2017.3
Win 7 Pro 64bit
CCleaner 5. a clean version

I run the cleaner on the default settings.

Any help?




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Re: Windows 10 is Very, Very Broken

 

Yes its actually good to know what is broken.

I have used a good computer store and they will fix things for you if it breaks.

But I have had some shocking places to fix, me the system is broken, and I think I know what it is.

Shop, the system failier does not exist, lets reformat, oh and you need to pay for your data but well you didn't so we got rid of all your files to.

And we can't be bothered, its always windows you are dreaming about your hardware issues.

On the other hand I have had places which after testing a broken something realised the video card we had was broken, did a reformat sadly but replaced the card with no charge to us with something that worked better.

On 5/10/2017 10:10 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
If anyone goes to a shop they never ever, in my experience try to fix it. If it can be fixed its going to be faster and less hassle for all the bespoke set ups we need to try to do that. Believe me Computer shops ten to just put in a clean windows and save any data they can from the old one first.
Its faster often and less costly but not always what we want.
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Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2017 12:27 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 is Very, Very Broken


Oh no! You may have to take it to a computer shop. Maybe you may have to have a format. Do you have all your files backed up? In case this has to happen?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: October-04-17 4:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 is Very, Very Broken

You might have to reformat. Are you backed up?

Take care.

On Oct 4, 2017, at 2:26 PM, Noah Carver via Groups.Io <ntclists=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hello List,

So, my Windows 10 is really pitching a fit! This all started when I had to forse shut down my win10 machine using the power butten, because of a total system hang. Then, I turned the machine back on. But NVDA did not come back to life. I tried turning on Narrator, and it wouldn't talk.
So I asked my dad to come and look at my screen. According to him, even when I pressed keys on the keyboard, the log in box wouldn't appear.
I've tried ctrl alt del, I’ve tried rebooting, nothing works. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I have a radio show in two days, and I have no backup machine.

Cheers,

Noah Carver










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Re: Braille, how many use it?

Sarah k Alawami
 

I've felt the braille on the orbit reader. It feels just like a book, firmer in fact. But the refresh is really really slow. About 2-3 seconds to switch lines etc etc. And typing is a pain. The keyboard is very very loud. I have an interview you will have to skim I believe at patreon.com/tffppodcast you can listen there.

Take care all.

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I'd imagine that if they said how it worked then everyone else would do it the same way. Not totally convinced on these displays, but the firmer dots did attract me as I am a bit of a scrubber as many who learnt later in life often can be.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Antony Stone" <antony.stone@nvda.open.source.it>
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Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2017 9:32 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Braille, how many use it?


All that says about the difference from traditional displays is that "The dots
do not give when the user presses them. The dots on some braille displays
using the traditional technology yield to pressure. The technology used in the
Orbit Reader 20 does not exhibit this characteristic. Once the dot is raised,
it stays raised no matter how hard the user examines it."

and

"The second difference from full-featured devices is that the unit refreshes
differently from previously existing technology. The refresh rate is slower,
and the user can just hear the slight tap as each pin rises from left to
right."

So, I can make some guesses about how the dots work in this device, but it
would still be nice to know for sure.

Antony.

On Wednesday 04 October 2017 at 22:17:40, Adriani Botez wrote:

Dear Antony,

here you can read all about it:
http://www.aph.org/research/orbit-reader-20-details/


Best
Adriani

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io Im Auftrag von Antony Stone
Gesendet: Dienstag, 3. Oktober 2017 22:55
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] Braille, how many use it?

Does anyone here know what is special or unusual about the Orbit
technology, so that it's (at least in theory) possible for them to
manufacture and sell for such a low price compared to traditional
displays?

I know that the vast majority, if not all, of other Braille displays are
based on piezo-electric actuators to raise and lower the pins (which partly
explains the price, and also explains the physical size of the displays,
and why multi- line displays can't reasonably be made), but I'm wondering
whether anyone here knows what different technology the Orbit is based on
so that it can be made so much cheaper?


Antony.
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Re: Slightly OT: Is there a way to tell if a Windows update is a major upgrade?

Sarah k Alawami
 

I've ben running the builds since I think July. You will love what you see actually. It is fast and very very stable. This is on a production machine.

Take care

On Oct 5, 2017, at 2:19 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists@...> wrote:

You are allowed to go back also for a few days. It normally mangles some software if my previous experience is anything to go by, so I generally back those up first!
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Slightly OT: Is there a way to tell if a Windows update is a major upgrade?


Well you can always set feature updates to about a year before they do what they do so you have time to do when you wish.

and if you know one is coming you can turn off updates for a month just remember that to do that again waindows will have to get the latest update and install it else you won't be able to update or anything after a month or during it and your system will remain unable to install or update anything.

However if you need that extra breathing room then I'd do that.

For me on a win10 pro system, the update will officially come on a day where I don't want to.

I will probably set the feature updates to a year, or something which means I can do the update at a time of my choosing manually.




On 5/10/2017 11:07 a.m., John Isige wrote:
Hi all. The recent posts about Win 10 made me think of this. I'm running Code Factory Eloquence. They say for major upgrades you should unlicense it and relicense after the upgrade's done, and I actually had to contact them about this for one of the major updates, anniversary or creator's. Is there some way to tell if an update is major? Mostly I see updates when I shut down, "update and shut down" pops up. It would be nice not to have to stop and go unlicense for every update.



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Re: Issues with Windows 10 upgrades

Randy Barnett <randy@...>
 

I have and it is a serious pain. Try the windows update troubleshooting tool. Just google it and then install it from MS.
If that dowsnt fix it there are some more advanced workarounds but Sometimes it is easier to just reinstall windows with the latest version.

On 10/5/2017 6:23 AM, Mallard wrote:
Hello all,

My machine (a desktop from HP, which was bought refurbished, and has 12GB of ram at the moment) doesn't seem to want to upgrade to Creator.
It has been attempiting to do the updates, but every time it says there's an error, and can't complete the procedure.

It gives me the following error:

Error: 0x8007001f

I searched for the code on teh web, and so did my husband, but we didn't come up with anything viable.

Has anyone, by any chance, experienced somehting like this, and how did you solve it, if you did at all?

Thanks, ciao,
Ollie

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Re: NVDA AND CCleaner No speech on win 7 after clean issue.

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Are you saying it was c cleaner? Its normally pretty benign. I only used it yesterday with no problems.

You can like many programs set it up to be more agressive as at the moment it defaults to not deleting permanently any files of a very recent vintage.
If its registry cleaning you want then Eu free registry cleaner is good but please review its listing before you delete and back upt the registry. This way if it does mess something up you have a way back.
It can with care speed up old tired computers as it removes lots of rubbish the systm has to shove about to get at entries that matter.

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Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2017 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA AND CCleaner No speech on win 7 after clean issue.


Hi All once again
I tried several setups and kept on getting the no speech issue.
So i am now not using CCleaner I went back to
the disk clean utility n Win 7.

It found over 8gb of old files which CCleaner had not.
While this sounds great after restarting my machine it sat and blinked at me for about 30 minutes before coming back to life.



So beware and Tinkety Tonk.




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I don't see avast on the one I downloaded last week. Maybe you get this
if you use the payed for versions.
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2017 2:43 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA AND CCleaner No speech on win 7 after clean issue.


None have malware, the latest versions do have avast but if you are
carefull to read the boxes you can uncheck it and its not exactly
malware though its sneakily put in.

It is interesting to note though that after the ccleaner hack that was
removed and I do wander that with the introduction of avast if someone
managed to partly hack the routeens.

CCleaner was fine before avast came in, it got hacked when avast came in.

If I were piriform I'd ditch avast and go back to where I was before.

They allready have google toolbars and the like and google previde a
lot more for what they take than avast does.




On 5/10/2017 9:33 a.m., Antony Stone wrote:
Which version has malware?

Antony.

On Wednesday 04 October 2017 at 20:40:40, zahra wrote:

hello.
which version do you use exactly?
i asked because i am afraid that you use the version which has malware!

On 10/4/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io

<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
Well I'm using it on windows 7. Could I ask if its the 64 bit or 32
bit
portable version?

I find the 64 bit one actually more reliable, andas long as you
do not
change the defaults its not mucking anything screenreader like up.
I did
of course download the version without the malware when prompted.

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Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2017 12:19 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA AND CCleaner No speech on win 7 after clean
issue.

Hi All
As per subject line suggests I get no speech after a clean
with the CCleaner program.
I have to restart the machine to get the speech back.

NVDA 2017.3
Win 7 Pro 64bit
CCleaner 5. a clean version

I run the cleaner on the default settings.

Any help?




Re: Windows 10 is Very, Very Broken

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The opposite can also be true, Most software messes with the registry, it can cock it up on install, or on uninstall if it does not remember to reregister any dll files it has changed or altered the classification of in either case. Been there, done that got the T Shirt during xp days.
Its normally the dll files associated with the vearious access APIs that get clobbered as the original developer probably never tested if screenreaders wworked before passing the code for distribution. Brian

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Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2017 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 is Very, Very Broken


Hello Noah,


I wenth through a very similar ordeal during the summer.

Sighted people could use the pc, but I couldn't. My husband tried fixing
Windows in all possible ways, with all possible tools. Nothing doing. We
couldn't even restore the pc.

We were two seconds away from formatting, when all of a sudden he
mentioned a couple of programmes that I said I didn't want to be
reinstalled. He removed one, and nothing happened. But when he removed
the other one (a Bible app I needed for a translation I was doing for
our church group), all got back to normal.


Make sure you haven't installed any software recently, which might have
interfered with NVDA, before you do anything dramatic like reformatting.


This is probably not your case, but better be safe than sorry, so I
shared it. It might help someone.

Ciao,

Ollie





Il 04/10/2017 23:26, Noah Carver via Groups.Io ha scritto:
Hello List,

So, my Windows 10 is really pitching a fit! This all started when I had to forse shut down my win10 machine using the power butten, because of a total system hang. Then, I turned the machine back on. But NVDA did not come back to life. I tried turning on Narrator, and it wouldn't talk.
So I asked my dad to come and look at my screen. According to him, even when I pressed keys on the keyboard, the log in box wouldn't appear.
I've tried ctrl alt del, I’ve tried rebooting, nothing works. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I have a radio show in two days, and I have no backup machine.

Cheers,

Noah Carver




Re: Issues with Windows 10 upgrades

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Does device manager complain about any hardware issues or misconfigured bits of hardware? I have seen this error associated with codecs and hardware drivers, particularly in video and audio hardware, but I strongly suspect the error is more like.
Help something is stopping me from doing what I'm trying to do and so I'll give up!

Might be worth running something like ccleaner over it but I'm not confident its going to be that simple. What does a look at the updates record look like, do you see a litany of failed updates?
If so then, there is probably some kind of registry corruption.
Most of the times many see this error is when they have not used K-Lite pack or other codecs and attempt to play certain video files on the machine. From what you describe though I think its more subtle.
Not having a working windows 10 machine at present I'm not sure what else to suggest. Does this affect the working of the current system or just when you want to update the machine?
Brian

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Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2017 2:23 PM
Subject: [nvda] Issues with Windows 10 upgrades


Hello all,

My machine (a desktop from HP, which was bought refurbished, and has 12GB of ram at the moment) doesn't seem to want to upgrade to Creator.
It has been attempiting to do the updates, but every time it says there's an error, and can't complete the procedure.

It gives me the following error:

Error: 0x8007001f

I searched for the code on teh web, and so did my husband, but we didn't come up with anything viable.

Has anyone, by any chance, experienced somehting like this, and how did you solve it, if you did at all?

Thanks, ciao,
Ollie


Re: Issues with Windows 10 upgrades

 

If that does not work, as far as doing the upgrade, then the only other suggestion I have is doing a clean install using the bootable media you'll create from the ISO.

Of course, that means:

  1. Take a full system image backup of your existing Windows 10 system with the tool of your choice.  Though, since the actual Windows system image backup utility disappears with Version 1709 I would choose a third party tool such as AOMEI Backupper, EaseUS ToDo Backup Free, Paragon Backup & Recover, or Macrium Reflect.
  2. Take a separate backup of just your user data files, as you'll need these to copy back over to the newly installed Windows 10.  I believe EaseUS and Paragon both have features that allow you to take just user data backups and restore them with ease.  I use Macrium, and it doesn't.
  3. Download and install Belarc Advisor, run it, and keep a copy of the resulting report for reference after the new Windows 10 is installed.  The reason I do this is that I almost invariably forget exactly what software I have installed on my computer over time.  The "Software Licenses" and "Software Versions & Usage" sections of the report tell you precisely what programs you've installed and gets their license keys as well.  It's also a good way to take stock of what you really need to reinstall and what you can toss because you're just not using it.  I always focus on the "Software Licenses" section because the "Software Versions & Usage" section includes all of the "bloatware" that came with your system, utility programs for stuff like your printer/multi-function, etc., and can be overwhelming.  It's still something you need to be aware of since the information there can sometimes be useful.
  4. Use the bootable media to do a completely clean install of Windows 10, then do what needs doing to get your user data and the programs you need back on that clean slate.
  5. As soon as number four is completed take another full system image backup so that you have a baseline of your clean system to recover from should you need to.  When any of the updates apply to the system that change the build number that's a good time to take your next full system image.  That or if you spend an afternoon installing a bunch of new software and you'd tear your hair out if you had to sit down and do it all again if you had a system failure and only had an image made that predated doing all that work.
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Re: Sound Indicators

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Well these are progress bars. Normally they should just work. they do for me and it will depend however if the programyou are using actually still reveals them.
also unless you have fiddled with the settings of nvda I've never had any update lose them, indeed they have actually got more useful at least on windows 7 lately, noticed they now happen when explorer folders are opened, presumably while indexing is going on for the find function.
Brian

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Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2017 2:34 PM
Subject: [nvda] Sound Indicators


Before I updated my NVDA, I got a series of ascending tones while getting mail, downloading, and other operations. The update took it away. Can't seem to find a place in the menus where I can get it back. Any ideas? Thanks.
Howard


Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] How much does the eloquence and vocalized voice pack cost

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Are you using webmail or a client?
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From: "zahra" <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2017 7:45 PM
Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] How much does the eloquence and vocalized voice pack cost


i did not change any option when i sent emails.
i also reply messages only in my gmail and not familiar with settings.
i only use default settings and dont change the settings which i dont know.

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He last one had plain text at the start actually. I do know that sometimes
if you use some company's web mail platforms, they often 'forget' to make a

plain text version.

Normally its fine though. I do on old machines read email in plain text as

it renders faster and I don't need the links most of the time.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2017 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] How much does the eloquence and vocalized
voice pack cost


It appears that you are sending HTML only versions but I wouldn’t worry
about it unless someone complains. My e-mail program reads the messages
correctly and since no one has complained, we can assume that others don't
have problems reading your messages. If anyone complains, we can address
the problem then.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: zahra
Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2017 3:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] How much does the eloquence and vocalized
voice pack cost


hi gene.
is the way that i send my emails correct?
do i send my emails in the correct way that all people can see?
thanks for your reply.
God bless you!

On 10/2/17, Steve Nutt <steve@comproom.co.uk> wrote:
Not you by the way, Windows 98 machines. Such discussions are a bit moot
now, you can’t compare features like that from a Windows 98 machine, to
Windows 10.



All the best



Steve



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve
Nutt
Sent: 02 October 2017 16:45
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] How much does the eloquence and vocalized
voice pack cost



Blimey, talk about dinosaurs. <Smile>.



All the best



Steve



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 02 October 2017 05:53
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] How much does the eloquence and vocalized
voice pack cost



I may have been running the feature on a really old Windows 98 machine at
the time so my results may not be relevant. But I hope an interesting
discussion results.



Gene



From: Kwork <mailto:istherelife@gmail.com>

Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2017 11:22 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] How much does the eloquence and vocalized
voice pack cost



Interesting to know. I would wonder if the lag is still there in this age

of
speedier processors, etc. I don't know if it would be worth the trade-off

if
it would slow things down too much for on-the-fly filtering.

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene <mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2017 8:40 PM

Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] How much does the eloquence and vocalized
voice pack cost



That is a useful feature if someone's program uses greater than signs for
quoted material. I don't know how many programs don't use such signs.
Windows Live Mail doesn't and I wonder if Outlook does. If neither of
these
programs use such signs, then a good deal of the usefulness of the
feature
is defeated. Also, I played with the feature many years ago. I don't
recall if this might have been because I was using a very slow old
computer
at the time or not, but my recollection is that it moved through lines
slowly, and thus caused annoying delays while waiting for the unfiltered
material to be found.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Kwork <mailto:istherelife@gmail.com>

Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2017 12:46 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] How much does the eloquence and vocalized
voice pack cost



For me, it's simple. If there are greater than signs at the top of a
message, or some sort of header indicating that the originally quoted
message is first, I've already lost interest in what the reply is, so
I've
already deleted and moved on. If I only got a few emails a day, and/or it
was on a group I would be a moderator of, that would be different. I
agree
that a feature like this would be good for NVDA. I never knew WinEyes had
such a feature, and I've never heard of any JFW users talking about it,
so
doubt it's there for them.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@comproom.co.uk <mailto:steve@comproom.co.uk> >
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >
Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2017 9:22 AM
Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] How much does the eloquence and vocalized
voice pack cost


Hi Sean,

Window-Eyes has a great feature called Line Filter. You can tell it to
ignore all lines with a string of chars at the beginning of the line. So
when anyone bottom posts, I just switch on line filtering and it ignores
lines beginning with the greater than sign.

I don't know if JAWS has it, but it would be nice to have it in NVDA too.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun
Everiss
Sent: 28 September 2017 21:35
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] How much does the eloquence and vocalized
voice pack cost

Well I really do wander if they find it easier to bottem post.

Its not blind vs sighted as such its probably the way they like their
screens.

For example I have family which really like their threaded messages
threaded.

They like to see the old messages first so they know what they have sent
and

they can't remember what they typed previously.

For us, I guess that would work, except we can't scroll to the start of
the

new content as such like this because our software just won't do it in a
easy way.

For the sighted its a quick mouse wheel flip my family do it all the
time,
they do it without thinking just like breathing.

For us, we rely on our keyboards and screen readers, and to be honest I
never look at what is below if I don't need to which could be a
disadvantage.

We also have to get used to the > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> signs the lower
and lower down we get down the message tree.

So for us top posting is the most accessible.

However we probably do lose some info over what was before.

I can't say I have responded to a message without reading below first.

I never do so I loose things.

For me I respond to something if I know what it is or if its 1-2 days old
maybe but I could be out of thread by the time I respond to a huge email
list.

A lot of techs I know thread and folder cluster their mail.

A few friends don't do this, for myself coming from dos, I read and
delete
all my mail.

If its important I save it in a text file with the message in it and
whatever.

If the email database corrupts or the system crashes or something I
reformat

and move on.

My data is mostly backed up, it includes text of important files and the
like.

I realise I will get bit in the ass one day but I barely have to deal
with
important stuf and now with dropbox it means I can continue as I am till
the

world ends.

On the other hand, rarely have I needed the net during a system outage
that

is critical.

Or at a critical point.

But I guess I am lucky.

Being a freelance tester means I just don't get the work I usually get
and
that means I have time to waste if I so choose which wouldn't be if I had

to

bother with critical data all the time.




On 29/09/2017 5:13 a.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I know I have been shoved off the talking newspaper list for this
crime. They are all doo gooders and ex mayors an aldermen trying for
obes I think. grin.
Their loss.
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 4:38 PM
Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] How much does the eloquence and
vocalized voice pack cost


Nah, I think it's more related to vi vs. sighted. On all vi lists,
top posting is the thing, on most sighted lists, bottom posting is
it. I've seen folks yelled at multiple times for not bottom posting
on several sighted lists. But on at least one list I'm on,
(thankfully, one I don't post on very often), folks get all bent out
of shape if you top post. It's bottom post, or not at all in their
opinion. A complete waste of time in my opinion, but nobody asked me.

<shrug>



On 9/28/2017 3:32 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I think the problem is, in them older days most lists and Usenet
groups wanted you to bottom post, but that was when people sat down
and edited the quilted threads. There was an RFC about it, but
nowadays, things have gone the other way since most people are low
on time.

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com
<mailto:gsasner@ripco.com> >
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 6:38 PM
Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] How much does the eloquence and
vocalized voice pack cost


Please don’t bottom post. Post at the top of the messages. If you
bottom post, people won’t see your reply. They won’t wade through
five or more messages to finally find yours and many people think
you mistakenly sent a blank message.

If you need help in how to top post, ask here.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Amber Gilmore
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 11:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] How much does the eloquence and
vocalized voice pack cost



Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 27, 2017, at 11:19 AM, Steve Nutt <steve@comproom.co.uk
<mailto:steve@comproom.co.uk> > wrote:

Hi Amber,

Here you go:-

http://www.comproom.co.uk/product/eloquence-and-vocalizer-expressiv
e-add-on-for-nvda/


By the way, for every copy sold, 10 Euros which is about 8 UK
pounds, or about 15 US dollars, gets donated to NVAccess. Which is
why I'm proud to sell it.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Amber Gilmore
Sent: 27 September 2017 14:50
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] How much does the eloquence and
vocalized voice pack cost

This is to Steve how much are you asking for your nvda and
elouenqecincd elinquence i am in oklahoma he please get back to me,
amber

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 25, 2017, at 4:33 AM, Steve Nutt <steve@comproom.co.uk
<mailto:steve@comproom.co.uk> > wrote:

Hi Jim,

Yes there is a legal add on from Code Factory that comes with both
Eloquence and Vocalizer. Disclaimer: We do sell it. Please feel
free to contact me privately if interested.

We also have SAPI 5 voices for both, again, both perfectly legal.

Thanks.

All the best

Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
Of The Gamages
Sent: 20 September 2017 08:58
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] How much does the eloquence and
vocalized voice pack cost

Hello,

Forgive me if I have misunderstood, but surely there cannot be a
genuine NVDA add on for the voices which I wil not mention as they
are a banned topic? Code factory Vocaliser may be legal, but not
the other, I had to pay for my Vocaliser voices and they cost me
about "£70 years ago, these are now available as a stand alone
item and not tied to NVDA.
For those who just cannot afford extra voices, the Microsoft ones
are quite good and are, of course, free with the Microsoft system.

As to the illegal subject, why anyone would want these outdated
voices beats me.
Take care.



Best Regards, Jim.
-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 8:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] How much does the eloquence and
vocalized voice pack cost

Hi,
As the owner of the NVDA add-ons list, I'm considering enacting
address ban if I hear reports of the moderated person jumping over
to the add-ons list to vent frustrations.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
Of Laz
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 11:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] How much does the eloquence and
vocalized voice pack cost

As I stated in an email a few weeks ago when this person started
posting on the list, he will continue posting nonsensical
messages, off topic messages, and violate list rules until he is
removed. He apparently doesn't pay much attentionn to messages in
reply to his questions and will continue repeating things over and
over until stopped. Moderation is the least of possible solutions
to this situation.

Good luck Nimer and Gene!

Laz

On 9/19/17, mr. Chikodinaka Nickarandidum Oguledo
<ochikodinaka@gmail.com <mailto:ochikodinaka@gmail.com> > wrote:
when is the next update for NVDA

On 9/19/17, Nimer Jaber <nimerjaber1@gmail.com
<mailto:nimerjaber1@gmail.com> > wrote:
I will just reiterate that Gene has my full and unqualified
support in this matter and I will be keeping an eye for any
future messages from this individual.

Thanks.

On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 1:17 PM Gene <gsasner@ripco.com
<mailto:gsasner@ripco.com> > wrote:

From the moderator:

I don't know why he is doing it and we have no basis to assume
anything.
I doubt it is intentional rudeness. I would say that people
should simply not comment on any post by Mr. Chikodinaka
Nickarandidum Oguledo unless he asks a new and useful question.
Repetitive questions, the same question four times in a month
or even twice in a month or six months, should simply be
ignored.

It is not useful to have a debate on list about Chikodinaka
Nickarandidum Oguledo or his posts. If such unproductive
debates continue, I shall lock all threads where such debates
begin.

If Mr. Chikodinaka Nickarandidum Oguledo is too outrageous, I
shall moderate him. Moderation means that I shall see every
post from him and have to approve each post before it reaches
the list. If I do that, I shall simply not approve repetitive
questions nor questions that in any way, promote sites where
illegal activity occurs. .

I'm explaining all this because Mr. Chikodinaka Nickarandidum
Oguledo sent a post yesterday in which he seemed to indicate
that he didn't know what being moderated means and because
there may be other list members who don't know.

I am not the list owner and if he wishes to deal with this
matter differently, that is what he will do as list owner. I've
stated what I will do unless the owner wishes something
different to be done.

Also, on further consideration, I've changed my mind about how
long moderation will last. It will last at least two months and
whether it is lifted will depend on the kinds of posts Mr.
Chikodinaka Nickarandidum Oguledo sends for approval.


Gene

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It gives diffferent prides can you tell me whitch on is my prise,
amber and i did a trial on another site with the same voices
frommmm code factory will the link you sent me let me do it again
cause when i started the trial befor my computer crashed and it was
down so i missed it. Thanks, amber
























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we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
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indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
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