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Re: Windows 10 is Very, Very Broken

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Well he won't know till he takes some steps to resolve the possible registry corruption. Always check power cables to drives and indeed data cables too, but after that if the damage was done it can only be either by a bit of registry manipulation and some program reinstalls after a disc problem check or by a complete reinstall, a last resort unless you have infinite patience and a lot of spare time.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2017 10:32 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 is Very, Very Broken


It sounds as though the problem is a hardware problem and not a Windows problem unless the hardware problem damaged Windows.

Gene
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From: Noah Carver via Groups.Io
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Subject: [nvda] Windows 10 is Very, Very Broken


Hello List,

So, my Windows 10 is really pitching a fit! This all started when I had to forse shut down my win10 machine using the power butten, because of a total system hang. Then, I turned the machine back on. But NVDA did not come back to life. I tried turning on Narrator, and it wouldn't talk.
So I asked my dad to come and look at my screen. According to him, even when I pressed keys on the keyboard, the log in box wouldn't appear.
I've tried ctrl alt del, I’ve tried rebooting, nothing works. Any help would be greatly appreciated.I have a radio show in two days, and I have no backup machine.

Cheers,

Noah Carver


Re: Braille, how many use it?

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If it works as I suspect it does, jammed pins could be an issue with debris from the fingers etc or drying out of any lubricant. Pietzo displays have been tried before and they tend to fail electrically in one mode or the other.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Adriani Botez" <adriani.botez@gmail.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2017 10:27 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Braille, how many use it?


Well the exact way it works is confidencial I think. Otherwise there would
have been lots of other companies which would have tried to enter this
market or to adapt their production processes. We will see what the future
brings.


-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Im Auftrag von Antony
Stone
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 4. Oktober 2017 22:32
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] Braille, how many use it?

All that says about the difference from traditional displays is that "The
dots do not give when the user presses them. The dots on some braille
displays using the traditional technology yield to pressure. The technology
used in the Orbit Reader 20 does not exhibit this characteristic. Once the
dot is raised, it stays raised no matter how hard the user examines it."

and

"The second difference from full-featured devices is that the unit refreshes

differently from previously existing technology. The refresh rate is slower,

and the user can just hear the slight tap as each pin rises from left to
right."

So, I can make some guesses about how the dots work in this device, but it
would still be nice to know for sure.

Antony.

On Wednesday 04 October 2017 at 22:17:40, Adriani Botez wrote:

Dear Antony,

here you can read all about it:
http://www.aph.org/research/orbit-reader-20-details/


Best
Adriani

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io Im Auftrag von Antony Stone
Gesendet: Dienstag, 3. Oktober 2017 22:55
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] Braille, how many use it?

Does anyone here know what is special or unusual about the Orbit
technology, so that it's (at least in theory) possible for them to
manufacture and sell for such a low price compared to traditional
displays?

I know that the vast majority, if not all, of other Braille displays are
based on piezo-electric actuators to raise and lower the pins (which
partly
explains the price, and also explains the physical size of the displays,
and why multi- line displays can't reasonably be made), but I'm wondering
whether anyone here knows what different technology the Orbit is based on
so that it can be made so much cheaper?


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Re: Windows 10 is Very, Very Broken

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Two thoughts, get your father to attempt to get to the menu to select the start up mode. differs on different machines, but a function key during switch on. Normally windows will present you with a last known good and then take it back. Otherwise your sighted help needs to either restore a recent back up or if system restore is turned on, go back to prior to the problems. it sounds like a typical corrupted registry to me, and it can be almost impossible talk of a. Do you have a recovery disk made recently on a cd/dvd or stick?
This is the first thing I make after any bit update to windows. it will need sighted help, but boot that in which in some cases means tweaking the bios for boot up order and use that tool to find a good places to go back to.


There are no guarantees as some here will tell you, and reinstalling windows and everything else can be the only fix, but if you are careful and only do one thing at a time, ie don't burn your bridges by going for the draconian fix first, then in the main it seems to be a situation Windows can get back from.
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Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2017 10:26 PM
Subject: [nvda] Windows 10 is Very, Very Broken


Hello List,

So, my Windows 10 is really pitching a fit! This all started when I had to forse shut down my win10 machine using the power butten, because of a total system hang. Then, I turned the machine back on. But NVDA did not come back to life. I tried turning on Narrator, and it wouldn't talk.
So I asked my dad to come and look at my screen. According to him, even when I pressed keys on the keyboard, the log in box wouldn't appear.
I've tried ctrl alt del, I’ve tried rebooting, nothing works. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I have a radio show in two days, and I have no backup machine.

Cheers,

Noah Carver


Re: NVDA AND CCleaner No speech on win 7 after clean issue.

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I think if you look back through the Register or similar web sites it will tell you there. Its the one prior to the latest download.
Brian

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Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2017 9:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA AND CCleaner No speech on win 7 after clean issue.


Which version has malware?

Antony.

On Wednesday 04 October 2017 at 20:40:40, zahra wrote:

hello.
which version do you use exactly?
i asked because i am afraid that you use the version which has malware!

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Well I'm using it on windows 7. Could I ask if its the 64 bit or 32 bit
portable version?

I find the 64 bit one actually more reliable, andas long as you do not
change the defaults its not mucking anything screenreader like up. I did
of course download the version without the malware when prompted.

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Subject: [nvda] NVDA AND CCleaner No speech on win 7 after clean issue.

Hi All
As per subject line suggests I get no speech after a clean
with the CCleaner program.
I have to restart the machine to get the speech back.

NVDA 2017.3
Win 7 Pro 64bit
CCleaner 5. a clean version

I run the cleaner on the default settings.

Any help?
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Re: Braille, how many use it?

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Yes its a worry about tech. It seems nobody in a shop can add up any more when the computers go down.
sigh.
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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2017 9:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Braille, how many use it?


Whether technology goes down or not, Braille remains an essential skill to have for a blind person. And if it goes down, I will still have my Bible to read. Living in fear serves no one. I lived in Alaska for 27 years and we learned not to depend entirely on technology by being prepared and using survival skills.

Blessings

Pascal



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, October 3, 2017 6:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Braille, how many use it?



If all of our technology goes down, youl'll have a lot more to worry about than reading. You'll be worried about surviving, where to find food and water and how to avoid being attacked if you do have some.

Gene
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Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2017 5:09 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [nvda] Braille, how many use it?



This argument that we don't need braille is like the argument that
we don't need ham radio or even broadcast radio anymore because of
technology. Well what if there was a major hak or a disaster that took
out the power grid. Think about the recient heracanes and radio was
still viable when all other technology was not available. This could
also be the case for braille. If all of our high technology goes down
for what ever reason and you don't braille what will you do then/ I
think that every blind person who is able should know grade 2 braille no
exceptions unless you do have a medical condition that prevents you from
being able to read braille.

Brian Sackrider


On 10/3/2017 3:36 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
I agree, braille could be used better, its still a good medium as a
way for the blind to read like the sighted.

But take it out of school if that now, and the fact is you don't need
to use it generally.

I'd like to see it on menus or places where you would read it more
naturally rather than taking out my device and looking different.

We also need to learn how to get devices where you can type quieter.

At some university classes and school I had to type in another room
because of it being to loud.

And even when I was allowed, the fact is the noise is like a dot
matrix I know its my right to be able to use it but at convenience of
others.

I am entitled because I am blind but later on I do wander at what they
had to put up with.

But you never think about that when you are a kid.




On 4/10/2017 3:06 a.m., Damien Sykes-Lindley wrote:
Hi,
I don't see anyone saying that we should give up braille for
technology. That seemed to happen naturally in my case because I had
no need to read it, so I never did. Only recently when trying to play
a game I realised just how screwed my braille skills actually are.
In fact, I totally agree that braille would be better in some areas
of work, programming and large calculations being two such areas. On
the other hand, try asking for a disability/assistive technology
grant over here and see if you can break the record for the longest
fight and largest number of letdowns... I've just about given up hope
on both the government and the RNIB. Bleh.
Cheers.
Damien.
-----Original Message----- From: Nevzat Adil
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2017 2:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Braille, how many use it?

Braille is as important to a blind person as print is to someone who
can see. I do not see any sighted person saying they should give up
print because of technology. I am glad NVDA developers are working on
making it braille friendly. The fact that braille displays are too
expensive should not discourage learning braille as prices are bound
to come down and many get those devices the government or private
programs, anyway.

On 10/3/17, Robert Mendoza <lowvisiontek@gmail.com <mailto:lowvisiontek@gmail.com> > wrote:
Lucky of those who has a braille display, cause here it is very
expensive and you need to buy it online or rather to pre-order to the
selected store. So I simply used the ordinary keyboard.

Robert Mendoza

On 10/3/2017 5:41 AM, Adriani Botez wrote:
In Germany they are also bein paid by ministery of labor or by the
health
insurance company. And very often is being individually judged if the
person
gets the device paid or not. It depends on the time period since last
payment or on how well tested is the technical features of the device.


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Mallard
Gesendet: Dienstag, 3. Oktober 2017 14:35
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Betreff: Re: [nvda] Braille, how many use it?

I agree. Luckily, the National Health Service here in Italy gives us
braille
displays, either totally paid by the National Health Service
itself, or
partly - depending on the cost of the device.


I used an Optacon before the advent of braille displays, and still do,
but
on paper and ereaders; no longer on a pc screen, due to uncomfortable
position of my workstation.


I couldn't live without braille! I switched to NVDA only once braille
support was introduced.

Ciao,

Ollie





Il 03/10/2017 13:41, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io ha
scritto:
Tis is just a question. I see a lot of work going on on the
development front to make these displays and the entering of the code
more intuitive and better.
I just wondered how many folk here can afford to use a Braille
display
on their machines? Since the promised Orbit seems to be having issues
getting out of the factory, most of the other choices out there need
a second mortgage to buy them!

Just musing that was all.
Brian

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Re: Braille, how many use it?

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I'd imagine that if they said how it worked then everyone else would do it the same way. Not totally convinced on these displays, but the firmer dots did attract me as I am a bit of a scrubber as many who learnt later in life often can be.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Antony Stone" <antony.stone@nvda.open.source.it>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2017 9:32 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Braille, how many use it?


All that says about the difference from traditional displays is that "The dots
do not give when the user presses them. The dots on some braille displays
using the traditional technology yield to pressure. The technology used in the
Orbit Reader 20 does not exhibit this characteristic. Once the dot is raised,
it stays raised no matter how hard the user examines it."

and

"The second difference from full-featured devices is that the unit refreshes
differently from previously existing technology. The refresh rate is slower,
and the user can just hear the slight tap as each pin rises from left to
right."

So, I can make some guesses about how the dots work in this device, but it
would still be nice to know for sure.

Antony.

On Wednesday 04 October 2017 at 22:17:40, Adriani Botez wrote:

Dear Antony,

here you can read all about it:
http://www.aph.org/research/orbit-reader-20-details/


Best
Adriani

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io Im Auftrag von Antony Stone
Gesendet: Dienstag, 3. Oktober 2017 22:55
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] Braille, how many use it?

Does anyone here know what is special or unusual about the Orbit
technology, so that it's (at least in theory) possible for them to
manufacture and sell for such a low price compared to traditional
displays?

I know that the vast majority, if not all, of other Braille displays are
based on piezo-electric actuators to raise and lower the pins (which partly
explains the price, and also explains the physical size of the displays,
and why multi- line displays can't reasonably be made), but I'm wondering
whether anyone here knows what different technology the Orbit is based on
so that it can be made so much cheaper?


Antony.
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Re: FW: [win10] Audio guide: Windows Insider Preview build 16232 guide posted

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Another group to subscribe to when I get win 10 again nearer the big C word.

Brian

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Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2017 8:03 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] FW: [win10] Audio guide: Windows Insider Preview build 16232 guide posted


Hi,

Windows 10 upgrade: you'll see posts on Win10 forum (not this list) about
all this.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony
Ballou
Sent: Wednesday, October 4, 2017 10:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] FW: [win10] Audio guide: Windows Insider Preview build
16232 guide posted



Hi Joseph,



Thanks for this preview. I recently signed up to the windows insiders
group, and am looking to get a copy of the fall creators update. I went to
the install link on the website, and I guess it installs in the background
because I can seem to find out if it is installing or not is there a way to
tell that you are getting it? I have several clients that will be upgraded
on the 17th when it comes out, and I kind of want to get the jump on things
so that I can be ready for their questions about new changes and what
effects they will have on their use of windows 10 with the latest version of
NVDA. All help and guidance appreciated my friend. Thanks much.



Tony



On 7/9/2017 4:07 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi NVDA community,

In case you want to know what's happening in Windows 10 development (and a
treat for those who'd like to hear what Windows OneCore voices sound like),
here's an overview of things included in latest Windows 10 preview build.
Enjoy.



From: win10@win10.groups.io <mailto:win10@win10.groups.io>
[mailto:win10@win10.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Sunday, July 9, 2017 1:01 PM
To: win10@win10.groups.io <mailto:win10@win10.groups.io>
Subject: [win10] Audio guide: Windows Insider Preview build 16232 guide
posted



Hi all,



Another item in Windows 10 build progression series, this time on build
16232 is now up:

http://www.josephsl.net/files/WinTen%2016232.mp3



Topics covered include:

* My People
* GPU activity tracking in Task Manager
* Narrator user guide
* Brief overview of new braille support improvements
* Cloud-based image recognition service
* Always on scan mode
* Control+Windows+N to open Settings/Ease of Access/Narrator
* Settings/Cortana category and other changes
* Settings/System/About and Remote Desktop configuration changes
* Status messages for individual updates in Windows Update
* Settings/Privacy/App requested downloads
* Full screen mode in Edge
* Changing URL's of favorites
* Volume mixer and universal apps
* Dictating text in edit fields such as Notepad
* Emoji panel and keyboard-based emoji entry and search
* Controlled folder access in Windows Defender Security Center



Briefly mentioned:

* Windows Subsystem for Linux does not require developer mode
* Grouping app windows in Task Manager
* Fluent design system
* Mixed reality and teleportation
* Video playback settings in Settings app
* Windows 10 Mobile in maintenance mode
* Windows Insider Program for Windows Server
* Changes to branch names (e.g. Current Branch is Semi-Annual Pilot)



In addition, the following topics could not be covered due to time
constraints (today's audio guide is an hour long one):

* Input learning in Narrator (Caps lock+1)
* Full extent of braille options in Narrator
* Cortana interaction changes
* OneDrive files on demand
* Windows Sonic for Headphones (mostly dealing with hardware setup
required)
* Pinning websites in Edge to taskbar
* Read aloud in PDF's and books in Edge
* Power throttling (hardware setup required)
* Windows Hello (hardware setup required)
* Beam/Mixer broadcasting (don't have an active Xbox Live account)



Corrections:

* In the beginning of the guide I state that the last guide was on
build 15048, but it was 15042.
* I wanted to give a word about my impression of Fall Creators Update
but ran out of time. Similarly, I could not include upgrade advice for same
reasons.



Enjoy.

Cheers,

Joseph






Re: In-Process 5th October

 

Hello Quentin and all,

Quentin, I'm very happy that the NV Access team can meat up in person. The team of the small firm that I work for here in Bulgaria (at the moment there are somewhere between 10 and 20 people on our team) is also scattered around the country and we also communicate with each other via internet and phone. This summer however, the firm has managed to organize two seminars for team building and we were able to meat with each other. I was very happy to meat with most of my colleagues at those seminars, so I know what the feeling is.

And now to two examples of good usage that I was able to find for the Windows 10 OCR feature in NVDA.

The first one is with images with text in them on the internet. In Facebook, I'm subscribed to a bulgarian Facebook group for jokes and humor. In some cases, the participants there post jokes the text of which is written in images. That was making them unreadable with a screen reader. But not anymore, thanks to the Windows 10 OCR functionality in NVDA. Now all I have to do is move the browse mode cursor to the image with text in it, press NVDA+R, wait a few seconds and then read the result. Since the text in most cases is in bulgarian, by default I set the Windows 10 OCR language in the NVDA preferences to "Bulgarian" and change it to english if needs be.

The second example is with text in videos. I personally don't have enough vision left to be able to play games efficiently, so I have to settle with watching videos in YouTube played by other gamers. In some of those games, the character picks a note for example. Probably because the note is handwritten, the game displays it in an overlay on the screen in printed text (in most cases on a darker background with lighter color for the text). Sometimes the YouTube gamers do read the text of the note, but not always. It would be hard for me to read such notes on my own. In one of the last such games that I've watched, my favorite YouTube gamer - DanQ8000 - did not read most of those notes for some reason. I was just going to ask him to do it for the future videos, when I realized what else I can do to read those notes on my own. And that is - use the Windows 10 OCR in NVDA to do it. So, I've switched the OCR language to english (since the text of the notes was in english); switched the video to full screen mode (I usually watch it that way); paused the video to the spot where the note is displayed; pressed NVDA+R and when the result was ready, I've read it. The OCR accuracy was good enough, so I did not had troubles understanding the meaning of the text.

So, big thanks go to NV Access and Microsoft for this wonderful OCR functionality!

P.S.: In my observations, the accuracy of the Windows 10 OCR is much better from the one provided by the additional add-on, specially for bulgarian. That is why I prefer the Windows 10 OCR in comparison with the additional OCR add-on for NVDA.

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev


На 5.10.2017 г. в 2:54, Quentin Christensen написа:

Hi everyone,

This week's In-Process is out, featuring NV Access in Melbourne, avocado juice, and a practical exercise in using OCR.


#NVDAsr

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Re: How Links are displayed on Web Pages

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Hi


maybe you turned on use screen layout? if so when in the browser and it is focused use the nvda key + letter V and you should hear it say it is off.


Gene nz



On 10/5/2017 7:04 PM, Andy wrote:
I have noticed that since the update to the latest version of NVDA links are now displayed horizontally across the screen rather than vertically as in the past. How do I go about getting it back to the old way?
 
Andy
 

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Re: why can't I access the nvda menu

Gene
 

I don't know why the command doesn't work.  Find NVDA in the system tray, open the context menu, and you will be in the NVDA menu.
 
That is, you will be in the menu if the program can open the menu.  At this point, we don't know if the command you are using doesn't work or if the menu itself can't open for some reason.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2017 1:03 AM
Subject: [nvda] why can't I access the nvda menu

I set caps lock as my modifier key, But when I press caps lock n it doesn't take me to the menu, I've tried insert n, I tried uninstalling it and reinstalling it, I've tried everything, so what do I do



Re: NVDA AND CCleaner No speech on win 7 after clean issue.

Gene
 

There was a version that had malware.  CCleaner released a clean version shortly after the malware was discovered and, unless things have changed sinced the initial reports, the company said it didn't know of anyone who had been affected by the malware. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Dennis L
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2017 1:09 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA AND CCleaner No speech on win 7 after clean issue.

No C cleaner fixed that issue please get your facts correct before saying things like that.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2017 1:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA AND CCleaner No speech on win 7 after clean issue.

hi antony.
the free version is not updated automaticly.
but other paid versions are updated automaticly and i dont know is it possible to turn off automatic update or not.
but the version ۵.۳۳.۶۱۶۲ or version ۱.۰۷.۳۱۹۱ CCleaner Cloud contain malware.
hope that help, God bless you!

On 10/5/17, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:
> None have malware, the latest versions do have avast but if you are
> carefull to read the boxes you can uncheck it and its not exactly
> malware though its sneakily put in.
>
> It is interesting to note though that after the ccleaner hack that was
> removed and I do wander that with the introduction of avast if someone
> managed to partly hack the routeens.
>
> CCleaner was fine before avast came in, it got hacked when avast came in.
>
> If I were piriform I'd ditch avast and go back to where I was before.
>
> They allready have google toolbars and the like and google previde a
> lot more for what they take than avast does.
>
>
>
>
> On 5/10/2017 9:33 a.m., Antony Stone wrote:
>> Which version has malware?
>>
>> Antony.
>>
>> On Wednesday 04 October 2017 at 20:40:40, zahra wrote:
>>
>>> hello.
>>> which version do you use exactly?
>>> i asked because i am afraid that you use the version which has malware!
>>>
>>> On 10/4/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
>>>
>>> <bglists@...> wrote:
>>>> Well I'm using it on windows 7. Could I ask if its the 64 bit or 32
>>>> bit portable version?
>>>>
>>>>   I find the 64 bit one actually more reliable, andas long as you
>>>> do not change the defaults its not mucking anything screenreader
>>>> like up. I did of course download the version without the malware
>>>> when prompted.
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "John from Woodside Apps via Groups.Io"
>>>> <jjsturt@...>
>>>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2017 12:19 PM
>>>> Subject: [nvda] NVDA AND CCleaner No speech on win 7 after clean issue.
>>>>
>>>>> Hi All
>>>>> As per subject line suggests I get no speech after a clean with
>>>>> the CCleaner program.
>>>>> I have to restart the machine to get the speech back.
>>>>>
>>>>> NVDA 2017.3
>>>>> Win 7 Pro 64bit
>>>>> CCleaner 5. a clean version
>>>>>
>>>>> I run the cleaner on the default settings.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any help?
>
>
>
>
>


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why can't I access the nvda menu

hyousif669@...
 

I set caps lock as my modifier key, But when I press caps lock n it doesn't take me to the menu, I've tried insert n, I tried uninstalling it and reinstalling it, I've tried everything, so what do I do


Re: NVDA AND CCleaner No speech on win 7 after clean issue.

Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
 

No C cleaner fixed that issue please get your facts correct before saying things like that.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2017 1:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA AND CCleaner No speech on win 7 after clean issue.

hi antony.
the free version is not updated automaticly.
but other paid versions are updated automaticly and i dont know is it possible to turn off automatic update or not.
but the version ۵.۳۳.۶۱۶۲ or version ۱.۰۷.۳۱۹۱ CCleaner Cloud contain malware.
hope that help, God bless you!

On 10/5/17, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:
None have malware, the latest versions do have avast but if you are
carefull to read the boxes you can uncheck it and its not exactly
malware though its sneakily put in.

It is interesting to note though that after the ccleaner hack that was
removed and I do wander that with the introduction of avast if someone
managed to partly hack the routeens.

CCleaner was fine before avast came in, it got hacked when avast came in.

If I were piriform I'd ditch avast and go back to where I was before.

They allready have google toolbars and the like and google previde a
lot more for what they take than avast does.




On 5/10/2017 9:33 a.m., Antony Stone wrote:
Which version has malware?

Antony.

On Wednesday 04 October 2017 at 20:40:40, zahra wrote:

hello.
which version do you use exactly?
i asked because i am afraid that you use the version which has malware!

On 10/4/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io

<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
Well I'm using it on windows 7. Could I ask if its the 64 bit or 32
bit portable version?

I find the 64 bit one actually more reliable, andas long as you
do not change the defaults its not mucking anything screenreader
like up. I did of course download the version without the malware
when prompted.

----- Original Message -----
From: "John from Woodside Apps via Groups.Io"
<jjsturt=googlemail.com@groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2017 12:19 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA AND CCleaner No speech on win 7 after clean issue.

Hi All
As per subject line suggests I get no speech after a clean with
the CCleaner program.
I have to restart the machine to get the speech back.

NVDA 2017.3
Win 7 Pro 64bit
CCleaner 5. a clean version

I run the cleaner on the default settings.

Any help?




--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages www.al-islam.org


Re: Windows 10 is Very, Very Broken

Randy Barnett <randy@...>
 

I have been building and maintaining PC's since 1995. The likelihood this is a serious hardware issue is low. The situation as describe indicates corrupted windows files and running any of the startup repair options  are appropriate.
Even though you will need some sighted help for the F8 menu Running for sighted help at the first sign of trouble is not necessary... I have never hurt a PC doing my own diagnostics...
Dont be afraid to trouble shoot your own PC. You can do it! :)
On 10/4/2017 10:42 PM, Gene wrote:
We don't know if the problem is a Windows 10 problem at all.  We haven't been told what happens when the computer turns on.  Is there any message on the screen?  I wouldn't do any of the things you suggest without knowing more what happens when the machine is turned on.  A complete hang such as was described and a failure to boot when the machine is restarted may indicate a hardware failure.  Not only might these suggestions not work, but since certain kinds of hardware failures may corrupt Windows, by doing these sorts of things without any knowledge of what the machine does when it turns on may corrupt Windows if it isn't now or make the corruption worse. 
 
When the machine is turned on, what happens?  Is there a mnessage on screen?  Is there a message and then as time passes, one or more messages?  Is there no message on screen? 
 
A sighted person needs to be there from the moment the computer turns on and tell you what happens.  As of now, though I don't have enough information to say anything definite, it looks to me as though it may be a serious hardware failure that will need a tech to correct.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----=
Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2017 11:30 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 is Very, Very Broken

Hi, Get a sighted helper then Restart your machine then press F8over and
over until you get the windows menu that has startup repair as a option
select it then hit enter. It will restart after awhile. I dont remember
the specifics. But it is pretty straight forward. If that doesn't work
then you will have too use your windows install media and boot into the
windows setup and try the troubleshooting section. If you have a backup
you can load it or try some of the repair options. Narrator works in
this enviroment. so
On 10/4/2017 6:50 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
> Well I have had this issue on some systems and a good reformat always
> gets windows working but further tests do show something.
>
> Possible culprets are power supply units, I have had a few of those
> fail on me.
>
> Processer fans or power box fans a lot of those have failed on me.
>
> Drives  and or boards.
>
>
>
>
> On 5/10/2017 10:32 a.m., Gene wrote:
>> It sounds as though the problem is a hardware problem and not a
>> Windows problem unless the hardware problem damaged Windows.
>>
>> Gene
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: Noah Carver via Groups.Io
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2017 4:26 PM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: [nvda] Windows 10 is Very, Very Broken
>>
>>
>> Hello List,
>>
>> So, my Windows 10 is really pitching a fit! This all started when I
>> had to forse shut down my win10 machine using the power butten,
>> because of a total system hang. Then, I turned the machine back on.
>> But NVDA did not come back to life. I tried turning on Narrator, and
>> it wouldn't talk.
>> So I asked my dad to come and look at my screen. According to him,
>> even when I pressed keys on the keyboard, the log in box wouldn't
>> appear.
>> I've tried ctrl alt del, I’ve tried rebooting, nothing works. Any
>> help would be greatly appreciated.I have a radio show in two days,
>> and I have  no backup machine.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Noah Carver
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>

--
Sincereley: Randy Barnett
Owner of Soundtique.
707-502-5575
1897 SE Dr.
Grants Pass, Or. 97526





-- 
Sincereley: Randy Barnett
Owner of Soundtique.
707-502-5575
1897 SE Dr.
Grants Pass, Or. 97526


How Links are displayed on Web Pages

Andy
 

I have noticed that since the update to the latest version of NVDA links are now displayed horizontally across the screen rather than vertically as in the past. How do I go about getting it back to the old way?
 
Andy
 


Re: NVDA AND CCleaner No speech on win 7 after clean issue.

 

hi antony.
the free version is not updated automaticly.
but other paid versions are updated automaticly and i dont know is it
possible to turn off automatic update or not.
but the version ۵.۳۳.۶۱۶۲ or version ۱.۰۷.۳۱۹۱ CCleaner Cloud contain malware.
hope that help, God bless you!

On 10/5/17, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:
None have malware, the latest versions do have avast but if you are
carefull to read the boxes you can uncheck it and its not exactly
malware though its sneakily put in.

It is interesting to note though that after the ccleaner hack that was
removed and I do wander that with the introduction of avast if someone
managed to partly hack the routeens.

CCleaner was fine before avast came in, it got hacked when avast came in.

If I were piriform I'd ditch avast and go back to where I was before.

They allready have google toolbars and the like and google previde a lot
more for what they take than avast does.




On 5/10/2017 9:33 a.m., Antony Stone wrote:
Which version has malware?

Antony.

On Wednesday 04 October 2017 at 20:40:40, zahra wrote:

hello.
which version do you use exactly?
i asked because i am afraid that you use the version which has malware!

On 10/4/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io

<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
Well I'm using it on windows 7. Could I ask if its the 64 bit or 32 bit
portable version?

I find the 64 bit one actually more reliable, andas long as you do
not
change the defaults its not mucking anything screenreader like up. I
did
of course download the version without the malware when prompted.

----- Original Message -----
From: "John from Woodside Apps via Groups.Io"
<jjsturt=googlemail.com@groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2017 12:19 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA AND CCleaner No speech on win 7 after clean issue.

Hi All
As per subject line suggests I get no speech after a clean
with the CCleaner program.
I have to restart the machine to get the speech back.

NVDA 2017.3
Win 7 Pro 64bit
CCleaner 5. a clean version

I run the cleaner on the default settings.

Any help?



--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org


Re: NVDA Country Subgroups

 

Salut Adriani! I think we could disturb the people in this way, so let's talk Romanian in private if you want.


Re: Windows 10 is Very, Very Broken

Gene
 

We don't know if the problem is a Windows 10 problem at all.  We haven't been told what happens when the computer turns on.  Is there any message on the screen?  I wouldn't do any of the things you suggest without knowing more what happens when the machine is turned on.  A complete hang such as was described and a failure to boot when the machine is restarted may indicate a hardware failure.  Not only might these suggestions not work, but since certain kinds of hardware failures may corrupt Windows, by doing these sorts of things without any knowledge of what the machine does when it turns on may corrupt Windows if it isn't now or make the corruption worse. 
 
When the machine is turned on, what happens?  Is there a mnessage on screen?  Is there a message and then as time passes, one or more messages?  Is there no message on screen? 
 
A sighted person needs to be there from the moment the computer turns on and tell you what happens.  As of now, though I don't have enough information to say anything definite, it looks to me as though it may be a serious hardware failure that will need a tech to correct.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----=
Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2017 11:30 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 is Very, Very Broken

Hi, Get a sighted helper then Restart your machine then press F8over and
over until you get the windows menu that has startup repair as a option
select it then hit enter. It will restart after awhile. I dont remember
the specifics. But it is pretty straight forward. If that doesn't work
then you will have too use your windows install media and boot into the
windows setup and try the troubleshooting section. If you have a backup
you can load it or try some of the repair options. Narrator works in
this enviroment. so
On 10/4/2017 6:50 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
> Well I have had this issue on some systems and a good reformat always
> gets windows working but further tests do show something.
>
> Possible culprets are power supply units, I have had a few of those
> fail on me.
>
> Processer fans or power box fans a lot of those have failed on me.
>
> Drives  and or boards.
>
>
>
>
> On 5/10/2017 10:32 a.m., Gene wrote:
>> It sounds as though the problem is a hardware problem and not a
>> Windows problem unless the hardware problem damaged Windows.
>>
>> Gene
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: Noah Carver via Groups.Io
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2017 4:26 PM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: [nvda] Windows 10 is Very, Very Broken
>>
>>
>> Hello List,
>>
>> So, my Windows 10 is really pitching a fit! This all started when I
>> had to forse shut down my win10 machine using the power butten,
>> because of a total system hang. Then, I turned the machine back on.
>> But NVDA did not come back to life. I tried turning on Narrator, and
>> it wouldn't talk.
>> So I asked my dad to come and look at my screen. According to him,
>> even when I pressed keys on the keyboard, the log in box wouldn't
>> appear.
>> I've tried ctrl alt del, I’ve tried rebooting, nothing works. Any
>> help would be greatly appreciated.I have a radio show in two days,
>> and I have  no backup machine.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Noah Carver
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>

--
Sincereley: Randy Barnett
Owner of Soundtique.
707-502-5575
1897 SE Dr.
Grants Pass, Or. 97526





Re: Slightly OT: Is there a way to tell if a Windows update is a major upgrade?

 

Hi,

If you are on fast ring, chances are that you might in fact be running what others will get starting on the 17th.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Wednesday, October 4, 2017 10:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Slightly OT: Is there a way to tell if a Windows update is a major upgrade?

 

Ah good. I guess i'll just pay attention when I receive my update probably on Friday, Tuesday, or when ever it gets to be released to me. I'm on the fast ring so it's almost every day I get something to test. Oh fun fun.

 

Take care



On Oct 4, 2017, at 8:53 PM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

 

Hi,
People in the Win10 Forum will be the first to know, as early as by midnight
my time.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: 
nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sarah k
Alawami
Sent: Wednesday, October 4, 2017 8:51 PM
To: 
nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Slightly OT: Is there a way to tell if a Windows update
is a major upgrade?

Nice. Did I mis this? I'm a part of the insider I guess I'll find out in 2
weeks eh?

Take care and I do agree. Forcing you to relicense when a major update comes
is not acceptable in my humble opinion.


On Oct 4, 2017, at 8:36 PM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Hi,
Usually the feature (major) update is shown as "Feature update to Windows

10, Version my". Starting on October 17th, some folks will see an entry
called "Feature update to Windows 10, Version 1709" as part of a list of
updates.

An important thing to note: starting from the feature update coming out

this month, individual updates will have their own installation progress
messages.

Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of 
Austin Pinto
Sent: Wednesday, October 4, 2017 8:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Slightly OT: Is there a way to tell if a Windows

update is a major upgrade?


hi.
its easy to tell when a major update has arrived.
if you go to settings and then updates it will tell you something like

windows 10 build 16299 or so on.

if it says this its a major upgrade.
if it tells its a cumulative update then its a small one.
if you are a member of the windows10 forum on groups.io you will 
always know when is the major update arriving there is a major update 
arriving on 17th october and for some it has already arrived

On 10/5/17, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

Regardless of the gyrations one can or cannot take under the various 
editions of Windows 10 to defer updates, there is absolutely no 
excuse, two years plus into the Windows as a service era, for any 
application software treating Windows 10 updates as anything but routine.

The vendors who do not need to have their customers holding their 
feet to the fire.  This update delivery paradigm is not going away 
and for application software not to recognize it is outrageous, to put it

mildly.


--
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level on request - it changes too often to keep in signature)

*     * *The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.* *
But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another* * profound
truth.*

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Re: Slightly OT: Is there a way to tell if a Windows update is a major upgrade?

Sarah k Alawami
 

Ah good. I guess i'll just pay attention when I receive my update probably on Friday, Tuesday, or when ever it gets to be released to me. I'm on the fast ring so it's almost every day I get something to test. Oh fun fun.

Take care

On Oct 4, 2017, at 8:53 PM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Hi,
People in the Win10 Forum will be the first to know, as early as by midnight
my time.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sarah k
Alawami
Sent: Wednesday, October 4, 2017 8:51 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Slightly OT: Is there a way to tell if a Windows update
is a major upgrade?

Nice. Did I mis this? I'm a part of the insider I guess I'll find out in 2
weeks eh?

Take care and I do agree. Forcing you to relicense when a major update comes
is not acceptable in my humble opinion.

On Oct 4, 2017, at 8:36 PM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Hi,
Usually the feature (major) update is shown as "Feature update to Windows
10, Version my". Starting on October 17th, some folks will see an entry
called "Feature update to Windows 10, Version 1709" as part of a list of
updates.
An important thing to note: starting from the feature update coming out
this month, individual updates will have their own installation progress
messages.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of 
Austin Pinto
Sent: Wednesday, October 4, 2017 8:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Slightly OT: Is there a way to tell if a Windows
update is a major upgrade?

hi.
its easy to tell when a major update has arrived.
if you go to settings and then updates it will tell you something like
windows 10 build 16299 or so on.
if it says this its a major upgrade.
if it tells its a cumulative update then its a small one.
if you are a member of the windows10 forum on groups.io you will 
always know when is the major update arriving there is a major update 
arriving on 17th october and for some it has already arrived

On 10/5/17, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
Regardless of the gyrations one can or cannot take under the various 
editions of Windows 10 to defer updates, there is absolutely no 
excuse, two years plus into the Windows as a service era, for any 
application software treating Windows 10 updates as anything but routine.

The vendors who do not need to have their customers holding their 
feet to the fire.  This update delivery paradigm is not going away 
and for application software not to recognize it is outrageous, to put it
mildly.

--
Brian  - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063  (dot 
level on request - it changes too often to keep in signature)

*     * *The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.* *
But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another* * profound
truth.*

*           ~ * *Niels Bohr*



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