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Re: Footnotes in Word Documents
Ralph Boersema
Dear James,
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I have attached a document. The problem seems to relate to the length of a document and the location of the footnote within longer documents. Thank you! Ralph
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of James AUSTIN Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 10:39 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Footnotes in Word Documents Hi Ralph I have just performed a very quick test. NVDA seems to read the two footnotes I have created without a delay. They were not long, nor did they spread across pages. I could create something, but would you be willing to share a copy of your document with me please? Perhaps we can work out together what is going on? Thanks James On 27/07/2017 15:32, Ralph Boersema wrote: Is this only my problem or do others have it too? I ask because no one has commented.
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Re: new member, just wanted to introduce myself
Welcome aboard.
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On 7/27/17, Ashley Wayne <a.r.wayne2008@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello all,
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Re: Hearing new text in terminal emulator
Hi, It mostly comes down to what kind of control we’re dealing with. Some require display scraping, others employ console support, still others rely on Java Access Bridge and what not. Cheers, Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 11:38 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Hearing new text in terminal emulator
Is there any reason that NVDA can't, for technical reasons have a screen echo setting like JAWS does to echo new text as it appears on screen? In JAWS this setting is manually turned on with JAWS key s and you set the screen echo to all using this command. A long time ago, I used to use this option to read text as it changed in Hyperterminal. As I recall, It didn't read the entire screen every time text changed. It would read what changed.
If this command is going to be properly useful, a command to skip lines when reading in this way and another command to move back by line and continue reading from where you moved back or forward to would be necessary. Just having everything new read without move back and forward commands would significantly detract from the feature. But not having such a feature is a limitation of NVDA that may be significant for some users.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Joseph Lee Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Hearing new text in terminal emulator
Hi, Actually, you can, but that’ll require weeks of effort depending on what kind of control it is and experience you are looking for. The best place to suggest this would be the add-ons ilst on Groups.IO. Cheers, Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
I doubt it. NVDA doesn't have any sort of speak all command as JAWS and Window-eyes do to automatically speak text as it appears nor does NVDA have anything like what are called hyperactive Windows in Window-eyes or frames in JAWS that you can set to speak parts of the screen automatically as text changes. NVDA is scripted, if that is the correct way to describe it, to automatically speak new text in some cases such as in the command prompt window. But if you want it to do so in cases where it doesn't, I am not aware of any way to make it do so. You may be able to have someone who works on projects cause NVDA to do what you want in the program. I don't know where you would make such an inquiry.
Meantime, Window-eyes will still be able to be used for quite some time and you may want to use it for this specific purpose while swoitching to NVDA in general. Gene ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 12:22 PM Subject: [nvda] Hearing new text in terminal emulator
Hi, I’m using MicroFocus Reflection terminal emulator. How can I get NVDA to automatically speak the new text that is scrolled onto the screen. I have Report Dynamic Content changes turned on. But NVDA is silent as the new data appears on the screen. Also, the text that I type at the prompt does not speak as I type.
In Window-Eyes there was a method that I tapped into called OnChildClipRendered which tracked all the text displayed to the screen. Is there something similar in NVDA.
I need for the new text to speak as it is displayed to the screen.
Thanks, Chris
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Re: Hearing new text in terminal emulator
Gene
Is there any reason that NVDA can't, for technical
reasons have a screen echo setting like JAWS does to echo new text as it
appears on screen? In JAWS this setting is manually turned on with JAWS
key s and you set the screen echo to all using this command. A long time
ago, I used to use this option to read text as it changed in
Hyperterminal. As I recall, It didn't read the entire screen every time
text changed. It would read what changed.
If this command is going to be properly useful, a
command to skip lines when reading in this way and another command to move back
by line and continue reading from where you moved back or forward to would be
necessary. Just having everything new read without move back
and forward commands would significantly detract from the feature. But not
having such a feature is a limitation of NVDA that may be significant for some
users.
Gene
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From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Hearing new text in terminal
emulator Hi, Actually, you can, but that’ll require weeks of effort depending on what kind of control it is and experience you are looking for. The best place to suggest this would be the add-ons ilst on Groups.IO. Cheers, Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
I doubt it. NVDA doesn't have any sort of speak all command as JAWS and Window-eyes do to automatically speak text as it appears nor does NVDA have anything like what are called hyperactive Windows in Window-eyes or frames in JAWS that you can set to speak parts of the screen automatically as text changes. NVDA is scripted, if that is the correct way to describe it, to automatically speak new text in some cases such as in the command prompt window. But if you want it to do so in cases where it doesn't, I am not aware of any way to make it do so. You may be able to have someone who works on projects cause NVDA to do what you want in the program. I don't know where you would make such an inquiry.
Meantime, Window-eyes will still be able to be used for quite some time and you may want to use it for this specific purpose while swoitching to NVDA in general. Gene ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 12:22 PM Subject: [nvda] Hearing new text in terminal emulator
Hi, I’m using MicroFocus Reflection terminal emulator. How can I get NVDA to automatically speak the new text that is scrolled onto the screen. I have Report Dynamic Content changes turned on. But NVDA is silent as the new data appears on the screen. Also, the text that I type at the prompt does not speak as I type.
In Window-Eyes there was a method that I tapped into called OnChildClipRendered which tracked all the text displayed to the screen. Is there something similar in NVDA.
I need for the new text to speak as it is displayed to the screen.
Thanks, Chris
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Re: Hearing new text in terminal emulator
Hi, Actually, you can, but that’ll require weeks of effort depending on what kind of control it is and experience you are looking for. The best place to suggest this would be the add-ons ilst on Groups.IO. Cheers, Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 11:19 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Hearing new text in terminal emulator
I doubt it. NVDA doesn't have any sort of speak all command as JAWS and Window-eyes do to automatically speak text as it appears nor does NVDA have anything like what are called hyperactive Windows in Window-eyes or frames in JAWS that you can set to speak parts of the screen automatically as text changes. NVDA is scripted, if that is the correct way to describe it, to automatically speak new text in some cases such as in the command prompt window. But if you want it to do so in cases where it doesn't, I am not aware of any way to make it do so. You may be able to have someone who works on projects cause NVDA to do what you want in the program. I don't know where you would make such an inquiry.
Meantime, Window-eyes will still be able to be used for quite some time and you may want to use it for this specific purpose while swoitching to NVDA in general. Gene ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 12:22 PM Subject: [nvda] Hearing new text in terminal emulator
Hi, I’m using MicroFocus Reflection terminal emulator. How can I get NVDA to automatically speak the new text that is scrolled onto the screen. I have Report Dynamic Content changes turned on. But NVDA is silent as the new data appears on the screen. Also, the text that I type at the prompt does not speak as I type.
In Window-Eyes there was a method that I tapped into called OnChildClipRendered which tracked all the text displayed to the screen. Is there something similar in NVDA.
I need for the new text to speak as it is displayed to the screen.
Thanks, Chris
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Re: Hearing new text in terminal emulator
Gene
I doubt it. NVDA doesn't have any sort of
speak all command as JAWS and Window-eyes do to automatically speak text as it
appears nor does NVDA have anything like what are called hyperactive Windows in
Window-eyes or frames in JAWS that you can set to speak parts of the screen
automatically as text changes. NVDA is scripted, if that is the correct
way to describe it, to automatically speak new text in some cases such as in the
command prompt window. But if you want it to do so in cases where it
doesn't, I am not aware of any way to make it do so. You may be able to
have someone who works on projects cause NVDA to do what you want in the
program. I don't know where you would make such an inquiry.
Meantime, Window-eyes will still be able to be used
for quite some time and you may want to use it for this specific purpose while
swoitching to NVDA in general.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 12:22 PM
Subject: [nvda] Hearing new text in terminal
emulator Hi, I’m using MicroFocus Reflection terminal emulator. How can I get NVDA to automatically speak the new text that is scrolled onto the screen. I have Report Dynamic Content changes turned on. But NVDA is silent as the new data appears on the screen. Also, the text that I type at the prompt does not speak as I type.
In Window-Eyes there was a method that I tapped into called OnChildClipRendered which tracked all the text displayed to the screen. Is there something similar in NVDA.
I need for the new text to speak as it is displayed to the screen.
Thanks, Chris
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Re: OE Classic is more accessible. Developers test with NVDA.
Gene
It is back online.
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 12:47 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] OE Classic is more accessible. Developers test
with NVDA. If anyone should happen to want a copy, and it is the official copy, downloaded about a week before Microsoft pulled it from its website, of the installer for Windows Essentials 2012 (of which Windows Live Mail is a part) you can download it by activating this link. Windows Live Mail 2012 is still a perfectly serviceable e-mail client for POP and IMAP access, which is what most of us are using. -- Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063 (dot level on request - it changes too often to keep in signature) The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth. ~ Niels Bohr
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new member, just wanted to introduce myself
Ashley Wayne
Hello all, I hope this type of introduction post is acceptable here. Anyway, I’m a very new NVDA user, but am very happy with it so far. I have been a long time jaws user, almost 20 years (now I feel old lol) so the transition has been interesting. I often find myself trying to do jaws commands out of habit lol but I think NVDA is great and I am so appreciative of all the hard work that has been put into it. I look forward to being a part of this list, and hope that all of you have a good day. Ashley
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Hearing new text in terminal emulator
Pettyjohn, Chris G. (FTC)
Hi, I’m using MicroFocus Reflection terminal emulator. How can I get NVDA to automatically speak the new text that is scrolled onto the screen. I have Report Dynamic Content changes turned on. But NVDA is silent as the new data appears on the screen. Also, the text that I type at the prompt does not speak as I type.
In Window-Eyes there was a method that I tapped into called OnChildClipRendered which tracked all the text displayed to the screen. Is there something similar in NVDA.
I need for the new text to speak as it is displayed to the screen.
Thanks, Chris
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How do you access a PDF file using NVDA!!!
Arun Gaalla
Thanks a lot….
Arun
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Re: Strange computer crash on update of master today
Arlene
It sounds like there might have been some sort of conflict with your latest
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updates. It might have had some conflicts with NVDA and addins you probably have. I hope I'm wrong. I think that what it might be!
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: July-27-17 10:38 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] Strange computer crash on update of master today Windows 7. It got to the update bit, then froze as below. I had to resort to the dreaded power button, so no real help in the log. However I was also wondering what clipspeak was up to here. Also find that Word occasionally gives out of memory warnings when the clipspeak add on is used to paste or rather voice the paste, but it is not really an issue, just that it thinks it is quite obviously. Here is the log of the update version. INFO - __main__ (18:15:55.520): Starting NVDA INFO - core.main (18:15:55.614): Config dir: C:\Users\Brian\updater\Roaming\nvda INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (18:15:55.614): Loading config: C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (18:15:55.630): Config loaded (after upgrade, and in the state it will be used by NVDA): {u'schemaVersion': u'2', u'upgrade': {}, u'update': {u'autoCheck': u'True'}, u'general': {u'showWelcomeDialogAtStartup': u'False', u'language': u'Windows', u'saveConfigurationOnExit': u'True', u'askToExit': u'False', u'playStartAndExitSounds': u'True', u'loggingLevel': u'DEBUG'}, u'speech': {u'synth': u'espeak', u'outputDevice': u'Microsoft Sound Mapper', u'espeak': {u'voice': u'en', u'variant': u'quincy', u'rate': u'40', u'pitch': u'40', u'inflection': u'75', u'volume': u'86'}, u'sapi5': {u'voice': u'HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\\SOFTWARE\\Microsoft\\Speech\\Voices\\Tokens\\ScanSoftS erena_Full_22kHz', u'volume': u'68', u'rate': u'55'}, u'mssp': {u'voice': u'HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\\SOFTWARE\\Microsoft\\Speech Server\\v11.0\\Voices\\Tokens\\TTS_MS_en-GB_Hazel_11.0', u'volume': u'90', u'rate': u'60'}, u'silence': {}, u'sapi4': {u'voice': u'{BF5EAD42-9F65-11CF-8FC8-0020AF14F271}', u'rate': u'38', u'pitch': u'24', u'volume': u'33'}, u'speechPlayerInEspeak': {u'voice': u'en', u'variant': u'edward', u'rate': u'30', u'pitch': u'40', u'inflection': u'75', u'volume': u'100'}, u'pico': {u'voice': u'en-gb', u'volume': u'80'}}, u'braille': {u'noBraille': {u'port': u''}}, u'presentation': {u'reportTooltips': u'True', u'guessObjectPositionInformationWhenUnavailable': u'True', u'progressBarUpdates': {u'progressBarOutputMode': u'both'}}, u'virtualBuffers': {u'autoPassThroughOnCaretMove': u'True'}, u'documentFormatting': {u'reportRevisions': u'False', u'reportSpellingErrors': u'False', u'reportLineIndentation': u'True', u'reportBlockQuotes': u'False', u'autoLanguageSwitching': u'True', u'detectFormatAfterCursor': u'False', u'reportFontName': u'False', u'reportFontSize': u'False', u'reportAlignment': u'True', u'reportStyle': u'False'}, u'keyboard': {u'speakTypedCharacters': u'True', u'useCapsLockAsNVDAModifierKey': u'False', u'keyboardLayout': u'desktop'}} DEBUG - core.main (18:15:55.630): setting language to Windows INFO - core.main (18:15:55.630): NVDA version master-14241,57432f41 INFO - core.main (18:15:55.630): Using Windows version 6.1.7601 service pack 1 workstation INFO - core.main (18:15:55.630): Using Python version 2.7.13 (v2.7.13:a06454b1afa1, Dec 17 2016, 20:42:59) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)] INFO - core.main (18:15:55.630): Using comtypes version 0.6.2 DEBUG - core.main (18:15:55.630): Initializing add-ons system DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.630): Listing add-ons from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.630): Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\clipspeak DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.630): Found add-on clipspeak DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.630): Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\easyTableNavigator DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.645): Found add-on easyTableNavigator DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.645): Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\extendedWinamp DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.645): Found add-on extendedWinamp DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.645): Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\focusHighlight DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.645): Found add-on focusHighlight DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.645): Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\goldenCursor DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.645): Found add-on goldenCursor DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.645): Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\goldwave DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.645): Found add-on goldwave DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.645): Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\pico DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.661): Found add-on pico DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.661): Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\resourceMonitor DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.661): Found add-on resourceMonitor DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.661): Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\speechPlayerInEspeak DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.661): Found add-on speechPlayerInEspeak DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.661): Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\virtualRevision DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.661): Found add-on virtualRevision DEBUG - core.main (18:15:55.765): Initializing appModule Handler DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (18:15:55.765): Addon extendedWinamp added to appModules package path DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (18:15:55.765): Addon goldwave added to appModules package path DEBUG - core.main (18:15:55.765): Initializing NVDAHelper DEBUG - core.main (18:15:55.779): Speech Dictionary processing DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (18:15:55.779): Loading speech dictionary 'C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\speechDicts\default.dic'... DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (18:15:55.779): file 'C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\speechDicts\default.dic' not found. DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (18:15:55.779): Loading speech dictionary 'builtin.dic'... DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (18:15:55.779): 3 loaded records. DEBUG - core.main (18:15:55.779): Initializing speech DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (18:15:55.780): Addon pico added to synthDrivers package path DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (18:15:55.780): Addon speechPlayerInEspeak added to synthDrivers package path INFO - synthDrivers.espeak.SynthDriver.__init__ (18:15:55.793): Using eSpeak NG version 1.49.1 dev DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (18:15:55.825): Loading speech dictionary 'C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\speechDicts\espeak-english.dic'... DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (18:15:55.825): 7 loaded records. INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (18:15:55.825): Loaded synthDriver espeak INFO - core.main (18:15:55.825): Using wx version 3.0.2.0 msw (classic) DEBUG - core.main (18:15:55.826): Initializing braille input INFO - brailleInput.initialize (18:15:55.826): Braille input initialized DEBUG - core.main (18:15:55.826): Initializing braille INFO - braille.initialize (18:15:55.828): Using liblouis version 3.2.0 INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (18:15:55.828): Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells. DEBUG - core.main (18:15:55.828): Initializing displayModel DEBUG - core.main (18:15:55.828): Initializing GUI DEBUG - core.main (18:15:55.838): initializing Java Access Bridge support WARNING - core.main (18:15:55.838): Java Access Bridge not available DEBUG - core.main (18:15:55.838): Initializing winConsole support DEBUG - core.main (18:15:55.838): Initializing UIA support INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (18:15:55.841): UIAutomation: IUIAutomation DEBUG - core.main (18:15:56.052): Initializing IAccessible support DEBUG - core.main (18:15:56.052): Initializing input core DEBUGWARNING - inputCore.InputManager.loadLocaleGestureMap (18:15:56.052): No locale gesture map for language en DEBUGWARNING - inputCore.InputManager.loadUserGestureMap (18:15:56.052): No user gesture map DEBUG - core.main (18:15:56.053): Initializing keyboard handler DEBUG - core.main (18:15:56.053): initializing mouse handler DEBUG - core.main (18:15:56.063): Initializing touchHandler DEBUGWARNING - touchHandler.initialize (18:15:56.063): Touch only supported on installed copies DEBUG - core.main (18:15:56.063): Initializing global plugin handler DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (18:15:56.063): Addon clipspeak added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (18:15:56.065): Addon easyTableNavigator added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (18:15:56.065): Addon focusHighlight added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (18:15:56.065): Addon goldenCursor added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (18:15:56.065): Addon resourceMonitor added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (18:15:56.065): Addon virtualRevision added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG - external:globalPlugins.clipspeak.clipboard_monitor.clipboard_monitor.__init_ _ (18:15:56.198): Initialising clipboard monitor. DEBUG - external:globalPlugins.clipspeak.clipboard_monitor.clipboard_monitor.get_cli pboard (18:15:56.198): Enumerating clipboard data... DEBUG - external:globalPlugins.clipspeak.clipboard_monitor.clipboard_monitor.enumera te_clipboard (18:15:56.198): Opening the clipboard for enumeration. DEBUG - external:globalPlugins.clipspeak.clipboard_monitor.clipboard_monitor.enumera te_clipboard (18:15:56.198): Retrieving clipboard format: 13 DEBUG - external:globalPlugins.clipspeak.clipboard_monitor.clipboard_monitor.enumera te_clipboard (18:15:56.198): Retrieving data for format 13 DEBUG - external:globalPlugins.clipspeak.clipboard_monitor.clipboard_monitor.enumera te_clipboard (18:15:56.198): Data retrieved: u'jean.kab@btconnect.com' DEBUG - external:globalPlugins.clipspeak.clipboard_monitor.clipboard_monitor.enumera te_clipboard (18:15:56.198): Retrieving clipboard format: 16 DEBUG - external:globalPlugins.clipspeak.clipboard_monitor.clipboard_monitor.enumera te_clipboard (18:15:56.198): Retrieving data for format 16 DEBUG - external:globalPlugins.clipspeak.clipboard_monitor.clipboard_monitor.enumera te_clipboard (18:15:56.198): Data retrieved: '\t\x08\x00\x00' DEBUG - external:globalPlugins.clipspeak.clipboard_monitor.clipboard_monitor.enumera te_clipboard (18:15:56.198): Retrieving clipboard format: 1 DEBUG - external:globalPlugins.clipspeak.clipboard_monitor.clipboard_monitor.enumera te_clipboard (18:15:56.198): Retrieving data for format 1 DEBUG - external:globalPlugins.clipspeak.clipboard_monitor.clipboard_monitor.enumera te_clipboard (18:15:56.198): Data retrieved: 'jean.kab@btconnect.com' DEBUG - external:globalPlugins.clipspeak.clipboard_monitor.clipboard_monitor.enumera te_clipboard (18:15:56.198): Retrieving clipboard format: 7 DEBUG - external:globalPlugins.clipspeak.clipboard_monitor.clipboard_monitor.enumera te_clipboard (18:15:56.198): Retrieving data for format 7 DEBUG - external:globalPlugins.clipspeak.clipboard_monitor.clipboard_monitor.enumera te_clipboard (18:15:56.200): Data retrieved: 'jean.kab@btconnect.com' DEBUG - external:globalPlugins.clipspeak.clipboard_monitor.clipboard_monitor.enumera te_clipboard (18:15:56.200): Retrieving clipboard format: 0 DEBUG - external:globalPlugins.clipspeak.clipboard_monitor.clipboard_monitor.enumera te_clipboard (18:15:56.200): Closing clipboard. DEBUG - core.main (18:15:56.200): Initializing core pump DEBUG - core.main (18:15:56.200): Initializing watchdog DEBUG - core.main (18:15:56.200): initializing updateCheck INFO - core.main (18:15:56.201): NVDA initialized DEBUG - core.main (18:15:56.201): entering wx application main loop DEBUG - external:globalPlugins.focusHighlight.startThread (18:15:56.201): focusHighlight started IO - speech.speak (18:15:56.243): Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'5 nvda new snaps list - Outlook Express - Brians lists account BGlists'] IO - speech.speak (18:15:56.256): Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Outlook Express Message List list'] DEBUGWARNING - displayModel.DisplayModelTextInfo._get__storyFieldsAndRects (18:15:56.266): AppModule does not have a binding handle IO - speech.speak (18:15:56.267): Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'has attachment; From: NV Access Git; Subject: nvda/master 57432f41: Update translations.; Received: 27/07/2017 15:07 334 of 334'] DEBUGWARNING - RPC process 3240 (nvda_slave.exe) (18:15:56.292): Python warning: C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Local\Temp\nseEC26.tmp\app\library.zip\configobj.py:2 8: DeprecationWarning: The compiler package is deprecated and removed in Python 3.x. IO - speech.speak (18:15:56.367): Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Updating NVDA dialog Please wait while your previous installation of NVDA is being updated.'] DEBUGWARNING - RPC process 3240 (nvda_slave.exe) (18:15:56.585): installer.tryCopyFile: Unable to copy \\?\C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Local\Temp\nseEC26.tmp\app\nvda_eoaProxy.exe, error 32 DEBUGWARNING - RPC process 3240 (nvda_slave.exe) (18:15:56.594): installer.tryCopyFile: Unable to copy \\?\C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Local\Temp\nseEC26.tmp\app\python27.dll, error 32 DEBUGWARNING - RPC process 3240 (nvda_slave.exe) (18:15:56.622): installer.tryCopyFile: Unable to copy \\?\C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Local\Temp\nseEC26.tmp\app\_ctypes.pyd, error 32 DEBUGWARNING - RPC process 3240 (nvda_slave.exe) (18:15:56.750): installer.tryCopyFile: Unable to copy \\?\C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Local\Temp\nseEC26.tmp\app\lib\IAccessible2Proxy. dll, error 32 DEBUGWARNING - RPC process 3240 (nvda_slave.exe) (18:15:56.753): installer.tryCopyFile: Unable to copy \\?\C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Local\Temp\nseEC26.tmp\app\lib\nvdaHelperRemote.d ll, error 32 IO - tones.beep (18:15:57.233): Beep at pitch 440, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50 IO - speech.speak (18:15:57.236): Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Please wait'] IO - tones.beep (18:15:57.266): Beep at pitch 110.0, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50 IO - speech.speak (18:15:57.269): Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'0 percent'] IO - tones.beep (18:15:58.246): Beep at pitch 440, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50 IO - tones.beep (18:15:58.262): Beep at pitch 1760, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50 IO - speech.speak (18:15:58.451): Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'5 nvda new snaps list - Outlook Express - Brians lists account BGlists'] IO - speech.speak (18:15:58.483): Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Outlook Express Message List list'] IO - speech.speak (18:15:58.503): Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'unread has attachment; From: NV Access Git; Subject: nvda/master 57432f41: Update translations.; Received: 27/07/2017 15:07 334 of 334'] Crash. Of course a reboot and all is ok again. Brian Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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Re: OE Classic is more accessible. Developers test with NVDA.
Were accessibilitycentral.net back online Gene NZ has the step-by-step instructions for reordering columns in Thunderbird using the keyboard (yes, to do drag and drop, but this can be done by keyboard). I never saved those so I don't have them handy.
If anyone should happen to want a copy, and it is the official copy, downloaded about a week before Microsoft pulled it from its website, of the installer for Windows Essentials 2012 (of which Windows Live Mail is a part) you can download it by activating this link. Windows Live Mail 2012 is still a perfectly serviceable e-mail client for POP and IMAP access, which is what most of us are using. -- Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063 (dot level on request - it changes too often to keep in signature) The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth. ~ Niels Bohr
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Strange computer crash on update of master today
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
Windows 7. It got to the update bit, then froze as below.
I had to resort to the dreaded power button, so no real help in the log. However I was also wondering what clipspeak was up to here. Also find that Word occasionally gives out of memory warnings when the clipspeak add on is used to paste or rather voice the paste, but it is not really an issue, just that it thinks it is quite obviously. Here is the log of the update version. INFO - __main__ (18:15:55.520): Starting NVDA INFO - core.main (18:15:55.614): Config dir: C:\Users\Brian\updater\Roaming\nvda INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (18:15:55.614): Loading config: C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (18:15:55.630): Config loaded (after upgrade, and in the state it will be used by NVDA): {u'schemaVersion': u'2', u'upgrade': {}, u'update': {u'autoCheck': u'True'}, u'general': {u'showWelcomeDialogAtStartup': u'False', u'language': u'Windows', u'saveConfigurationOnExit': u'True', u'askToExit': u'False', u'playStartAndExitSounds': u'True', u'loggingLevel': u'DEBUG'}, u'speech': {u'synth': u'espeak', u'outputDevice': u'Microsoft Sound Mapper', u'espeak': {u'voice': u'en', u'variant': u'quincy', u'rate': u'40', u'pitch': u'40', u'inflection': u'75', u'volume': u'86'}, u'sapi5': {u'voice': u'HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\\SOFTWARE\\Microsoft\\Speech\\Voices\\Tokens\\ScanSoftSerena_Full_22kHz', u'volume': u'68', u'rate': u'55'}, u'mssp': {u'voice': u'HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\\SOFTWARE\\Microsoft\\Speech Server\\v11.0\\Voices\\Tokens\\TTS_MS_en-GB_Hazel_11.0', u'volume': u'90', u'rate': u'60'}, u'silence': {}, u'sapi4': {u'voice': u'{BF5EAD42-9F65-11CF-8FC8-0020AF14F271}', u'rate': u'38', u'pitch': u'24', u'volume': u'33'}, u'speechPlayerInEspeak': {u'voice': u'en', u'variant': u'edward', u'rate': u'30', u'pitch': u'40', u'inflection': u'75', u'volume': u'100'}, u'pico': {u'voice': u'en-gb', u'volume': u'80'}}, u'braille': {u'noBraille': {u'port': u''}}, u'presentation': {u'reportTooltips': u'True', u'guessObjectPositionInformationWhenUnavailable': u'True', u'progressBarUpdates': {u'progressBarOutputMode': u'both'}}, u'virtualBuffers': {u'autoPassThroughOnCaretMove': u'True'}, u'documentFormatting': {u'reportRevisions': u'False', u'reportSpellingErrors': u'False', u'reportLineIndentation': u'True', u'reportBlockQuotes': u'False', u'autoLanguageSwitching': u'True', u'detectFormatAfterCursor': u'False', u'reportFontName': u'False', u'reportFontSize': u'False', u'reportAlignment': u'True', u'reportStyle': u'False'}, u'keyboard': {u'speakTypedCharacters': u'True', u'useCapsLockAsNVDAModifierKey': u'False', u'keyboardLayout': u'desktop'}} DEBUG - core.main (18:15:55.630): setting language to Windows INFO - core.main (18:15:55.630): NVDA version master-14241,57432f41 INFO - core.main (18:15:55.630): Using Windows version 6.1.7601 service pack 1 workstation INFO - core.main (18:15:55.630): Using Python version 2.7.13 (v2.7.13:a06454b1afa1, Dec 17 2016, 20:42:59) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)] INFO - core.main (18:15:55.630): Using comtypes version 0.6.2 DEBUG - core.main (18:15:55.630): Initializing add-ons system DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.630): Listing add-ons from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.630): Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\clipspeak DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.630): Found add-on clipspeak DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.630): Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\easyTableNavigator DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.645): Found add-on easyTableNavigator DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.645): Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\extendedWinamp DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.645): Found add-on extendedWinamp DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.645): Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\focusHighlight DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.645): Found add-on focusHighlight DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.645): Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\goldenCursor DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.645): Found add-on goldenCursor DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.645): Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\goldwave DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.645): Found add-on goldwave DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.645): Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\pico DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.661): Found add-on pico DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.661): Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\resourceMonitor DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.661): Found add-on resourceMonitor DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.661): Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\speechPlayerInEspeak DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.661): Found add-on speechPlayerInEspeak DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.661): Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\virtualRevision DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.661): Found add-on virtualRevision DEBUG - core.main (18:15:55.765): Initializing appModule Handler DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (18:15:55.765): Addon extendedWinamp added to appModules package path DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (18:15:55.765): Addon goldwave added to appModules package path DEBUG - core.main (18:15:55.765): Initializing NVDAHelper DEBUG - core.main (18:15:55.779): Speech Dictionary processing DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (18:15:55.779): Loading speech dictionary 'C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\speechDicts\default.dic'... DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (18:15:55.779): file 'C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\speechDicts\default.dic' not found. DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (18:15:55.779): Loading speech dictionary 'builtin.dic'... DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (18:15:55.779): 3 loaded records. DEBUG - core.main (18:15:55.779): Initializing speech DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (18:15:55.780): Addon pico added to synthDrivers package path DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (18:15:55.780): Addon speechPlayerInEspeak added to synthDrivers package path INFO - synthDrivers.espeak.SynthDriver.__init__ (18:15:55.793): Using eSpeak NG version 1.49.1 dev DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (18:15:55.825): Loading speech dictionary 'C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\speechDicts\espeak-english.dic'... DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (18:15:55.825): 7 loaded records. INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (18:15:55.825): Loaded synthDriver espeak INFO - core.main (18:15:55.825): Using wx version 3.0.2.0 msw (classic) DEBUG - core.main (18:15:55.826): Initializing braille input INFO - brailleInput.initialize (18:15:55.826): Braille input initialized DEBUG - core.main (18:15:55.826): Initializing braille INFO - braille.initialize (18:15:55.828): Using liblouis version 3.2.0 INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (18:15:55.828): Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells. DEBUG - core.main (18:15:55.828): Initializing displayModel DEBUG - core.main (18:15:55.828): Initializing GUI DEBUG - core.main (18:15:55.838): initializing Java Access Bridge support WARNING - core.main (18:15:55.838): Java Access Bridge not available DEBUG - core.main (18:15:55.838): Initializing winConsole support DEBUG - core.main (18:15:55.838): Initializing UIA support INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (18:15:55.841): UIAutomation: IUIAutomation DEBUG - core.main (18:15:56.052): Initializing IAccessible support DEBUG - core.main (18:15:56.052): Initializing input core DEBUGWARNING - inputCore.InputManager.loadLocaleGestureMap (18:15:56.052): No locale gesture map for language en DEBUGWARNING - inputCore.InputManager.loadUserGestureMap (18:15:56.052): No user gesture map DEBUG - core.main (18:15:56.053): Initializing keyboard handler DEBUG - core.main (18:15:56.053): initializing mouse handler DEBUG - core.main (18:15:56.063): Initializing touchHandler DEBUGWARNING - touchHandler.initialize (18:15:56.063): Touch only supported on installed copies DEBUG - core.main (18:15:56.063): Initializing global plugin handler DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (18:15:56.063): Addon clipspeak added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (18:15:56.065): Addon easyTableNavigator added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (18:15:56.065): Addon focusHighlight added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (18:15:56.065): Addon goldenCursor added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (18:15:56.065): Addon resourceMonitor added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (18:15:56.065): Addon virtualRevision added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG - external:globalPlugins.clipspeak.clipboard_monitor.clipboard_monitor.__init__ (18:15:56.198): Initialising clipboard monitor. DEBUG - external:globalPlugins.clipspeak.clipboard_monitor.clipboard_monitor.get_clipboard (18:15:56.198): Enumerating clipboard data... DEBUG - external:globalPlugins.clipspeak.clipboard_monitor.clipboard_monitor.enumerate_clipboard (18:15:56.198): Opening the clipboard for enumeration. DEBUG - external:globalPlugins.clipspeak.clipboard_monitor.clipboard_monitor.enumerate_clipboard (18:15:56.198): Retrieving clipboard format: 13 DEBUG - external:globalPlugins.clipspeak.clipboard_monitor.clipboard_monitor.enumerate_clipboard (18:15:56.198): Retrieving data for format 13 DEBUG - external:globalPlugins.clipspeak.clipboard_monitor.clipboard_monitor.enumerate_clipboard (18:15:56.198): Data retrieved: u'jean.kab@btconnect.com' DEBUG - external:globalPlugins.clipspeak.clipboard_monitor.clipboard_monitor.enumerate_clipboard (18:15:56.198): Retrieving clipboard format: 16 DEBUG - external:globalPlugins.clipspeak.clipboard_monitor.clipboard_monitor.enumerate_clipboard (18:15:56.198): Retrieving data for format 16 DEBUG - external:globalPlugins.clipspeak.clipboard_monitor.clipboard_monitor.enumerate_clipboard (18:15:56.198): Data retrieved: '\t\x08\x00\x00' DEBUG - external:globalPlugins.clipspeak.clipboard_monitor.clipboard_monitor.enumerate_clipboard (18:15:56.198): Retrieving clipboard format: 1 DEBUG - external:globalPlugins.clipspeak.clipboard_monitor.clipboard_monitor.enumerate_clipboard (18:15:56.198): Retrieving data for format 1 DEBUG - external:globalPlugins.clipspeak.clipboard_monitor.clipboard_monitor.enumerate_clipboard (18:15:56.198): Data retrieved: 'jean.kab@btconnect.com' DEBUG - external:globalPlugins.clipspeak.clipboard_monitor.clipboard_monitor.enumerate_clipboard (18:15:56.198): Retrieving clipboard format: 7 DEBUG - external:globalPlugins.clipspeak.clipboard_monitor.clipboard_monitor.enumerate_clipboard (18:15:56.198): Retrieving data for format 7 DEBUG - external:globalPlugins.clipspeak.clipboard_monitor.clipboard_monitor.enumerate_clipboard (18:15:56.200): Data retrieved: 'jean.kab@btconnect.com' DEBUG - external:globalPlugins.clipspeak.clipboard_monitor.clipboard_monitor.enumerate_clipboard (18:15:56.200): Retrieving clipboard format: 0 DEBUG - external:globalPlugins.clipspeak.clipboard_monitor.clipboard_monitor.enumerate_clipboard (18:15:56.200): Closing clipboard. DEBUG - core.main (18:15:56.200): Initializing core pump DEBUG - core.main (18:15:56.200): Initializing watchdog DEBUG - core.main (18:15:56.200): initializing updateCheck INFO - core.main (18:15:56.201): NVDA initialized DEBUG - core.main (18:15:56.201): entering wx application main loop DEBUG - external:globalPlugins.focusHighlight.startThread (18:15:56.201): focusHighlight started IO - speech.speak (18:15:56.243): Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'5 nvda new snaps list - Outlook Express - Brians lists account BGlists'] IO - speech.speak (18:15:56.256): Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Outlook Express Message List list'] DEBUGWARNING - displayModel.DisplayModelTextInfo._get__storyFieldsAndRects (18:15:56.266): AppModule does not have a binding handle IO - speech.speak (18:15:56.267): Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'has attachment; From: NV Access Git; Subject: nvda/master 57432f41: Update translations.; Received: 27/07/2017 15:07 334 of 334'] DEBUGWARNING - RPC process 3240 (nvda_slave.exe) (18:15:56.292): Python warning: C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Local\Temp\nseEC26.tmp\app\library.zip\configobj.py:28: DeprecationWarning: The compiler package is deprecated and removed in Python 3.x. IO - speech.speak (18:15:56.367): Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Updating NVDA dialog Please wait while your previous installation of NVDA is being updated.'] DEBUGWARNING - RPC process 3240 (nvda_slave.exe) (18:15:56.585): installer.tryCopyFile: Unable to copy \\?\C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Local\Temp\nseEC26.tmp\app\nvda_eoaProxy.exe, error 32 DEBUGWARNING - RPC process 3240 (nvda_slave.exe) (18:15:56.594): installer.tryCopyFile: Unable to copy \\?\C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Local\Temp\nseEC26.tmp\app\python27.dll, error 32 DEBUGWARNING - RPC process 3240 (nvda_slave.exe) (18:15:56.622): installer.tryCopyFile: Unable to copy \\?\C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Local\Temp\nseEC26.tmp\app\_ctypes.pyd, error 32 DEBUGWARNING - RPC process 3240 (nvda_slave.exe) (18:15:56.750): installer.tryCopyFile: Unable to copy \\?\C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Local\Temp\nseEC26.tmp\app\lib\IAccessible2Proxy.dll, error 32 DEBUGWARNING - RPC process 3240 (nvda_slave.exe) (18:15:56.753): installer.tryCopyFile: Unable to copy \\?\C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Local\Temp\nseEC26.tmp\app\lib\nvdaHelperRemote.dll, error 32 IO - tones.beep (18:15:57.233): Beep at pitch 440, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50 IO - speech.speak (18:15:57.236): Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Please wait'] IO - tones.beep (18:15:57.266): Beep at pitch 110.0, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50 IO - speech.speak (18:15:57.269): Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'0 percent'] IO - tones.beep (18:15:58.246): Beep at pitch 440, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50 IO - tones.beep (18:15:58.262): Beep at pitch 1760, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50 IO - speech.speak (18:15:58.451): Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'5 nvda new snaps list - Outlook Express - Brians lists account BGlists'] IO - speech.speak (18:15:58.483): Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Outlook Express Message List list'] IO - speech.speak (18:15:58.503): Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'unread has attachment; From: NV Access Git; Subject: nvda/master 57432f41: Update translations.; Received: 27/07/2017 15:07 334 of 334'] Crash. Of course a reboot and all is ok again. Brian Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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Re: OE Classic is more accessible. Developers test with NVDA.
Gene
It is not as accessible as Windows Live Mail.
True, the differences in accessibility are minor but they can be very
annoying. The main annoyance is that in Thunderbird, by default, the
subject is displayed first and the name second in the headers. a lot of
people want the name displayed first. But you can't change this from the
keyboard. you have to drag and drop. And how many people know how to
do that, though it can be done.
In Windows Live mail, the order of headings is
fully accessible from the keyboard.
Also, Windows Live Mail has two features that
Thunderbird doesn't. One is the ability to jump to the default inbox from
wherever you are in the message list with the command control I. The
second is that you can read all mail as plain text but if there is an individual
message you want to read as html, you don't have to fool around changing
settings. You can just open the message and use the command alt shift
h. That message will be displayed as html until you close it and all other
messages will continue to be displayed as plain text. if you open the
message you displayed as html again, you will have to issue the alt shift h
command again to cause it to be displayed as html.
If you don't like ribbons, you might not want to
use it, at least the ribbon version. There is an older menu version.
And you have to set message rules on the server if you use IMAP, whereas
Thunderbird allows you to set message rules in the program. There is also
a quirk I won't write about here but if anyone is interested, I'll address it in
a later message about reading mail as plain text. It works fine for that
but there is a quirk you need to know about to do this.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Kingett
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 12:14 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] OE Classic is more accessible. Developers test
with NVDA. the most accessible email client out there to date. I like it because, like I said, it rests in my dropbox so never have to install it to mmachines. At least the OE developers are working on making OE Classic accessible. I wish they would open source the code though so that is just me. I tried it for a while and like where it is going, even though I am sticking with Thunderbird.
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Re: OE Classic is more accessible. Developers test with NVDA.
Gene
It was not a mess for accessibility. I use
it. Are you saying that because you don't like ribbons? That has
nothing to do with accessibility. That is your opinion of ribbons.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 11:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] OE Classic is more accessible. Developers test
with NVDA. was really a mess for accessibility in itself, and I have a sneaky suspicion that the OE classic looks a lot like that did. And look at the hoops we have gone through for the one in windows 10, which is just a bog standard email app. Why it seems to be so awkward for people to make email clients better than Tbird when they can write stuff like Firefox and Chrome escapes me. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 2:39 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] OE Classic is more accessible. Developers test with NVDA. More accessible than very little. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Walker, Michael E Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 8:21 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] OE Classic is more accessible. Developers test with NVDA. More accessible than what? -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Robert Kingett Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 8:28 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] OE Classic is more accessible. Developers test with NVDA. Below is a blog post on OE Classic and it's accessibility improvements. While this email client is getting more accessible it still has a ways to go. It runs on Windows 7 and up. https://blindjournalist.wordpress.com/2017/07/25/oe-classic-is-2-7-is-finally-free-and-more-accessible/
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Re: Footnotes in Word Documents
James AUSTIN
Hi Ralph
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I have just performed a very quick test. NVDA seems to read the two footnotes I have created without a delay. They were not long, nor did they spread across pages. I could create something, but would you be willing to share a copy of your document with me please? Perhaps we can work out together what is going on? Thanks James
On 27/07/2017 15:32, Ralph Boersema wrote:
Is this only my problem or do others have it too? I ask because no one has commented.
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Re: Footnotes in Word Documents
Ralph Boersema
Is this only my problem or do others have it too? I ask because no one has commented.
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Ralph
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ralph Boersema Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 8:35 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] Footnotes in Word Documents Dear Friends, NVDA navigates footnotes in MSWord documents with distressingly long delays. Is there any cure for this? Warmly, Ralph
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Re: how can i get microsoft spi5engine
Gene
First, did you reboot? If so and it didn't
solve the problem, System Restore would very likely fix it. It may be too
much to hope for, most of the time when I suggest using system restore, it
either isn't turned on on the users' machine or it isn't working properly.
Far more often than a problem with how it works, it isn't turned on. I hope it is in your case. Unless people have some other reversion program, I consider it essential to have System Restore on. If you do, you could run a restore point from before the problem started. Also, what do you mean by SPI? Do you mean
SAPI? Gene?
There may be a way to repair MSAPI5.
Also, it may be that nothing is
wrong with SAPI5. I would think that a general message such as unable to
load synth could mean that there is a problem with what3ever synthesizer is
being used. A synthesizer is not the same as SAPI. SAPI is an
application program interface that will run any synthesizer that is designed to
run using SAPI. So the actual premise of your question, that SAPI is
corrupt or nonexistent if not at all certain. What synthesizer are you
using? Because of the various possibilities and considerations I've
discussed, System Restore, as reluctant as many people are to use it, may well
be the fastest and easiest way to solve the problem. People often cause
themselves a lot of unnecessary problems because they don't want to run System
Restore. There is a certain amount of risk in running it, just as there is
in running any program that works with files in such ways, but most of the time,
if it works, it works properly. If it can't work properly, most of
the time, it lets your system finish booting and displays a message that it
couldn't restore it and that your system has been unchanged.
Gene
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From: Tony James
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 12:07 AM
Subject: [nvda] how can i get microsoft spi5engine disappeared from my win7 laptop. whenever i try to select the tts engine from the nvda synthesizer dialog, it says, cannot load the synth. any ideas? thx
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Re: NVDA Newbie
Hi ndy, I am an nvda newbi too Try pressing the nvda plus number 2and nvda plus number 3 key to toggle between say characters and say words, Hope that helps Arvind This message is transmitted on 100% recycled electrons.
On Jul 26, 2017, at 10:39 AM, Andy <wq6r@...> wrote:
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Reading ggogle docs sheets with nvda
Sylvie Duchateau
Hello all,
Has anyone tips on how to read google doc sheets with NVDA without editing them ? When connecting to the document, I receive the message that I have to press a short cut to have it work with screen readers. But then I don't how to have NVDA tell me the title of each cell. Thank you for any tips on using this. Best Sylvie
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