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Re: How To Search

Antony Stone
 

Which application are you trying to search in?

Antony.

On Thursday 05 October 2017 at 14:02:39, Howard Traxler wrote:

Is there a trick way to search for a word or phrase in a page or document?
I thought it might be just control f but it seems not?

Thanks.

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How To Search

Howard Traxler <howard@...>
 

Is there a trick way to search for a word or phrase in a page or document?  I thought it might be just control f but it seems not?
 
Thanks.
 
Howard


Re: NVDA AND CCleaner No speech on win 7 after clean issue.

 

Hi All once again
I tried several setups and kept on getting the no speech issue.
So i am now not using CCleaner I went back to
the disk clean utility n Win 7.

It found over 8gb of old files which CCleaner had not.
While this sounds great after restarting my machine it sat and blinked at me for about 30 minutes before coming back to life.



So beware and Tinkety Tonk.




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On 05/10/2017 10:16, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I don't see avast on the one I downloaded last week. Maybe you get this
if you use the payed for versions.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2017 2:43 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA AND CCleaner No speech on win 7 after clean issue.


None have malware, the latest versions do have avast but if you are
carefull to read the boxes you can uncheck it and its not exactly
malware though its sneakily put in.

It is interesting to note though that after the ccleaner hack that was
removed and I do wander that with the introduction of avast if someone
managed to partly hack the routeens.

CCleaner was fine before avast came in, it got hacked when avast came in.

If I were piriform I'd ditch avast and go back to where I was before.

They allready have google toolbars and the like and google previde a
lot more for what they take than avast does.




On 5/10/2017 9:33 a.m., Antony Stone wrote:
Which version has malware?

Antony.

On Wednesday 04 October 2017 at 20:40:40, zahra wrote:

hello.
which version do you use exactly?
i asked because i am afraid that you use the version which has malware!

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<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
Well I'm using it on windows 7. Could I ask if its the 64 bit or 32
bit
portable version?

I find the 64 bit one actually more reliable, andas long as you
do not
change the defaults its not mucking anything screenreader like up.
I did
of course download the version without the malware when prompted.

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Subject: [nvda] NVDA AND CCleaner No speech on win 7 after clean
issue.

Hi All
As per subject line suggests I get no speech after a clean
with the CCleaner program.
I have to restart the machine to get the speech back.

NVDA 2017.3
Win 7 Pro 64bit
CCleaner 5. a clean version

I run the cleaner on the default settings.

Any help?




Re: Slightly OT: Is there a way to tell if a Windows update is a major upgrade?

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You are allowed to go back also for a few days. It normally mangles some software if my previous experience is anything to go by, so I generally back those up first!
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Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2017 2:55 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Slightly OT: Is there a way to tell if a Windows update is a major upgrade?


Well you can always set feature updates to about a year before they do what they do so you have time to do when you wish.

and if you know one is coming you can turn off updates for a month just remember that to do that again waindows will have to get the latest update and install it else you won't be able to update or anything after a month or during it and your system will remain unable to install or update anything.

However if you need that extra breathing room then I'd do that.

For me on a win10 pro system, the update will officially come on a day where I don't want to.

I will probably set the feature updates to a year, or something which means I can do the update at a time of my choosing manually.




On 5/10/2017 11:07 a.m., John Isige wrote:
Hi all. The recent posts about Win 10 made me think of this. I'm running Code Factory Eloquence. They say for major upgrades you should unlicense it and relicense after the upgrade's done, and I actually had to contact them about this for one of the major updates, anniversary or creator's. Is there some way to tell if an update is major? Mostly I see updates when I shut down, "update and shut down" pops up. It would be nice not to have to stop and go unlicense for every update.



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Re: Windows 10 is Very, Very Broken

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As I say, don't burn your bridges. if its connections they can be fixed, if the data is corrupted and not just the registry then you probably are in major doggy do dos.
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Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2017 2:50 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 is Very, Very Broken


Well I have had this issue on some systems and a good reformat always gets windows working but further tests do show something.

Possible culprets are power supply units, I have had a few of those fail on me.

Processer fans or power box fans a lot of those have failed on me.

Drives and or boards.




On 5/10/2017 10:32 a.m., Gene wrote:
It sounds as though the problem is a hardware problem and not a Windows problem unless the hardware problem damaged Windows.

Gene
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From: Noah Carver via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2017 4:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Windows 10 is Very, Very Broken


Hello List,

So, my Windows 10 is really pitching a fit! This all started when I had to forse shut down my win10 machine using the power butten, because of a total system hang. Then, I turned the machine back on. But NVDA did not come back to life. I tried turning on Narrator, and it wouldn't talk.
So I asked my dad to come and look at my screen. According to him, even when I pressed keys on the keyboard, the log in box wouldn't appear.
I've tried ctrl alt del, I’ve tried rebooting, nothing works. Any help would be greatly appreciated.I have a radio show in two days, and I have no backup machine.

Cheers,

Noah Carver





Re: In-Process 5th October

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Kostadin,

Thanks so much for sharing your experience!

Yes, Facebook is a good source of memes and images in text.  I must admit, I do wish they were a better source of consistent and accessible web design ;)

On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 6:59 PM, Kostadin Kolev <k.kolev1985@...> wrote:

Hello Quentin and all,

Quentin, I'm very happy that the NV Access team can meat up in person. The team of the small firm that I work for here in Bulgaria (at the moment there are somewhere between 10 and 20 people on our team) is also scattered around the country and we also communicate with each other via internet and phone. This summer however, the firm has managed to organize two seminars for team building and we were able to meat with each other. I was very happy to meat with most of my colleagues at those seminars, so I know what the feeling is.

And now to two examples of good usage that I was able to find for the Windows 10 OCR feature in NVDA.

The first one is with images with text in them on the internet. In Facebook, I'm subscribed to a bulgarian Facebook group for jokes and humor. In some cases, the participants there post jokes the text of which is written in images. That was making them unreadable with a screen reader. But not anymore, thanks to the Windows 10 OCR functionality in NVDA. Now all I have to do is move the browse mode cursor to the image with text in it, press NVDA+R, wait a few seconds and then read the result. Since the text in most cases is in bulgarian, by default I set the Windows 10 OCR language in the NVDA preferences to "Bulgarian" and change it to english if needs be.

The second example is with text in videos. I personally don't have enough vision left to be able to play games efficiently, so I have to settle with watching videos in YouTube played by other gamers. In some of those games, the character picks a note for example. Probably because the note is handwritten, the game displays it in an overlay on the screen in printed text (in most cases on a darker background with lighter color for the text). Sometimes the YouTube gamers do read the text of the note, but not always. It would be hard for me to read such notes on my own. In one of the last such games that I've watched, my favorite YouTube gamer - DanQ8000 - did not read most of those notes for some reason. I was just going to ask him to do it for the future videos, when I realized what else I can do to read those notes on my own. And that is - use the Windows 10 OCR in NVDA to do it. So, I've switched the OCR language to english (since the text of the notes was in english); switched the video to full screen mode (I usually watch it that way); paused the video to the spot where the note is displayed; pressed NVDA+R and when the result was ready, I've read it. The OCR accuracy was good enough, so I did not had troubles understanding the meaning of the text.

So, big thanks go to NV Access and Microsoft for this wonderful OCR functionality!

P.S.: In my observations, the accuracy of the Windows 10 OCR is much better from the one provided by the additional add-on, specially for bulgarian. That is why I prefer the Windows 10 OCR in comparison with the additional OCR add-on for NVDA.

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev


На 5.10.2017 г. в 2:54, Quentin Christensen написа:
Hi everyone,

This week's In-Process is out, featuring NV Access in Melbourne, avocado juice, and a practical exercise in using OCR.


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Re: NVDA AND CCleaner No speech on win 7 after clean issue.

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I don't see avast on the one I downloaded last week. Maybe you get this if you use the payed for versions.
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2017 2:43 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA AND CCleaner No speech on win 7 after clean issue.


None have malware, the latest versions do have avast but if you are carefull to read the boxes you can uncheck it and its not exactly malware though its sneakily put in.

It is interesting to note though that after the ccleaner hack that was removed and I do wander that with the introduction of avast if someone managed to partly hack the routeens.

CCleaner was fine before avast came in, it got hacked when avast came in.

If I were piriform I'd ditch avast and go back to where I was before.

They allready have google toolbars and the like and google previde a lot more for what they take than avast does.




On 5/10/2017 9:33 a.m., Antony Stone wrote:
Which version has malware?

Antony.

On Wednesday 04 October 2017 at 20:40:40, zahra wrote:

hello.
which version do you use exactly?
i asked because i am afraid that you use the version which has malware!

On 10/4/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io

<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
Well I'm using it on windows 7. Could I ask if its the 64 bit or 32 bit
portable version?

I find the 64 bit one actually more reliable, andas long as you do not
change the defaults its not mucking anything screenreader like up. I did
of course download the version without the malware when prompted.

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2017 12:19 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA AND CCleaner No speech on win 7 after clean issue.

Hi All
As per subject line suggests I get no speech after a clean
with the CCleaner program.
I have to restart the machine to get the speech back.

NVDA 2017.3
Win 7 Pro 64bit
CCleaner 5. a clean version

I run the cleaner on the default settings.

Any help?


Re: Slightly OT: Is there a way to tell if a Windows update is a major upgrade?

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I notice the way Dolphin do it is monitor your system and if anything is detected as a change it will still work but you have a set time to register merely by clicking on a link. It works well as obviously companies do know when a major update has occurred and it even works if I've had to change a piece of hardware, like the drive or memory. Quite how it does this I do not know, but it works.
Brian

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Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2017 1:11 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Slightly OT: Is there a way to tell if a Windows update is a major upgrade?


So to answer the responses so far:

1. You have to license after every major update because Eloquence uses one of those licenses that's based on stuff about your computer, don't ask me what because I don't know. So a major OS upgrade, even within versions, can change things enough that if you just upgrade with your current license, that license will no longer work when the upgrade is done. Beyond that, you'll have to email Code Factory.

2. OK, two major upgrades a year, cool. That's sort of helpful, but it's missing the point a bit, I think. I know, for example, that there's a big creator's update coming out some time this month. What I don't know is when I'll get it, not only because I don't know when it's coming out, but also because of course you don't get updates as soon as they come out.

So suppose I get an update next week. Is that a simple security update? Is that the big one I need to unlicense for? That's what I'm trying to figure out a way to learn. I actually don't worry about the licensing for most of them because I know they're not major updates, but like I said, I got nailed by it in the past. So now I'm trying to figure out a way to find out when I'm looking at a major update, so it doesn't update automatically on me and make me lose another license.


Re: Slightly OT: Is there a way to tell if a Windows update is a major upgrade?

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The next according to Microsoft is on 17th of this month. Creators update fall edition.
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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2017 12:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Slightly OT: Is there a way to tell if a Windows update is a major upgrade?


I would think that only updates from one full version of Windows 10 to another would be major. Most updates are security and stability updates. I believe that Windows 10 has two major upgrades a year, such as from whatever was before it to the anniversary version.

Gene
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From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2017 6:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Slightly OT: Is there a way to tell if a Windows update is a major upgrade?


That seems odd, why do you have to relicence after every major windows update. If you don't see RC I think it's the one after maybe that's major. Or maybe you could google the build number?

Take care

On Oct 4, 2017, at 3:07 PM, John Isige <gwynn@tds.net> wrote:

Hi all. The recent posts about Win 10 made me think of this. I'm running Code Factory Eloquence. They say for major upgrades you should unlicense it and relicense after the upgrade's done, and I actually had to contact them about this for one of the major updates, anniversary or creator's. Is there some way to tell if an update is major? Mostly I see updates when I shut down, "update and shut down" pops up. It would be nice not to have to stop and go unlicense for every update.




Re: Windows 10 is Very, Very Broken

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If anyone goes to a shop they never ever, in my experience try to fix it. If it can be fixed its going to be faster and less hassle for all the bespoke set ups we need to try to do that. Believe me Computer shops ten to just put in a clean windows and save any data they can from the old one first.
Its faster often and less costly but not always what we want.
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Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2017 12:27 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 is Very, Very Broken


Oh no! You may have to take it to a computer shop. Maybe you may have to have a format. Do you have all your files backed up? In case this has to happen?

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Sent: October-04-17 4:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 is Very, Very Broken

You might have to reformat. Are you backed up?

Take care.

On Oct 4, 2017, at 2:26 PM, Noah Carver via Groups.Io <ntclists=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hello List,

So, my Windows 10 is really pitching a fit! This all started when I had to forse shut down my win10 machine using the power butten, because of a total system hang. Then, I turned the machine back on. But NVDA did not come back to life. I tried turning on Narrator, and it wouldn't talk.
So I asked my dad to come and look at my screen. According to him, even when I pressed keys on the keyboard, the log in box wouldn't appear.
I've tried ctrl alt del, I’ve tried rebooting, nothing works. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I have a radio show in two days, and I have no backup machine.

Cheers,

Noah Carver



Re: Windows 10 is Very, Very Broken

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Last resort, but if his drive is very corrupted, due say to a power cable intermittent fault then yes, that is the only option other than a restore from an external backup.
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2017 12:23 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 is Very, Very Broken


You might have to reformat. Are you backed up?

Take care.

On Oct 4, 2017, at 2:26 PM, Noah Carver via Groups.Io <ntclists=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hello List,

So, my Windows 10 is really pitching a fit! This all started when I had to forse shut down my win10 machine using the power butten, because of a total system hang. Then, I turned the machine back on. But NVDA did not come back to life. I tried turning on Narrator, and it wouldn't talk.
So I asked my dad to come and look at my screen. According to him, even when I pressed keys on the keyboard, the log in box wouldn't appear.
I've tried ctrl alt del, I’ve tried rebooting, nothing works. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I have a radio show in two days, and I have no backup machine.

Cheers,

Noah Carver



blank lines in browsemode

Martin Thomas Swaton
 

hi together,


anyone an idea how the status of the option "supress blank lines from being spoken in browsemode" is?

I read the thread on that on github but this ended with working on it but no more messages since end of 2016


Would be great to get this feature in nvda - any update on that?

cheers

martin


Re: Slightly OT: Is there a way to tell if a Windows update is a major upgrade?

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The problem here is that the creators fall update, spring in the southern hemisphere, is I think due on the 17th, and is basically a completely new windows. The updates in between tend to be just patches.
I'm sure that there is a hierarchical system to updates though.
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Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2017 11:07 PM
Subject: [nvda] Slightly OT: Is there a way to tell if a Windows update is a major upgrade?


Hi all. The recent posts about Win 10 made me think of this. I'm running Code Factory Eloquence. They say for major upgrades you should unlicense it and relicense after the upgrade's done, and I actually had to contact them about this for one of the major updates, anniversary or creator's. Is there some way to tell if an update is major? Mostly I see updates when I shut down, "update and shut down" pops up. It would be nice not to have to stop and go unlicense for every update.



Re: Windows 10 is Very, Very Broken

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Well he won't know till he takes some steps to resolve the possible registry corruption. Always check power cables to drives and indeed data cables too, but after that if the damage was done it can only be either by a bit of registry manipulation and some program reinstalls after a disc problem check or by a complete reinstall, a last resort unless you have infinite patience and a lot of spare time.
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Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2017 10:32 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 is Very, Very Broken


It sounds as though the problem is a hardware problem and not a Windows problem unless the hardware problem damaged Windows.

Gene
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From: Noah Carver via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2017 4:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Windows 10 is Very, Very Broken


Hello List,

So, my Windows 10 is really pitching a fit! This all started when I had to forse shut down my win10 machine using the power butten, because of a total system hang. Then, I turned the machine back on. But NVDA did not come back to life. I tried turning on Narrator, and it wouldn't talk.
So I asked my dad to come and look at my screen. According to him, even when I pressed keys on the keyboard, the log in box wouldn't appear.
I've tried ctrl alt del, I’ve tried rebooting, nothing works. Any help would be greatly appreciated.I have a radio show in two days, and I have no backup machine.

Cheers,

Noah Carver


Re: Braille, how many use it?

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If it works as I suspect it does, jammed pins could be an issue with debris from the fingers etc or drying out of any lubricant. Pietzo displays have been tried before and they tend to fail electrically in one mode or the other.
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2017 10:27 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Braille, how many use it?


Well the exact way it works is confidencial I think. Otherwise there would
have been lots of other companies which would have tried to enter this
market or to adapt their production processes. We will see what the future
brings.


-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Im Auftrag von Antony
Stone
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 4. Oktober 2017 22:32
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] Braille, how many use it?

All that says about the difference from traditional displays is that "The
dots do not give when the user presses them. The dots on some braille
displays using the traditional technology yield to pressure. The technology
used in the Orbit Reader 20 does not exhibit this characteristic. Once the
dot is raised, it stays raised no matter how hard the user examines it."

and

"The second difference from full-featured devices is that the unit refreshes

differently from previously existing technology. The refresh rate is slower,

and the user can just hear the slight tap as each pin rises from left to
right."

So, I can make some guesses about how the dots work in this device, but it
would still be nice to know for sure.

Antony.

On Wednesday 04 October 2017 at 22:17:40, Adriani Botez wrote:

Dear Antony,

here you can read all about it:
http://www.aph.org/research/orbit-reader-20-details/


Best
Adriani

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io Im Auftrag von Antony Stone
Gesendet: Dienstag, 3. Oktober 2017 22:55
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] Braille, how many use it?

Does anyone here know what is special or unusual about the Orbit
technology, so that it's (at least in theory) possible for them to
manufacture and sell for such a low price compared to traditional
displays?

I know that the vast majority, if not all, of other Braille displays are
based on piezo-electric actuators to raise and lower the pins (which
partly
explains the price, and also explains the physical size of the displays,
and why multi- line displays can't reasonably be made), but I'm wondering
whether anyone here knows what different technology the Orbit is based on
so that it can be made so much cheaper?


Antony.
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Re: Windows 10 is Very, Very Broken

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Two thoughts, get your father to attempt to get to the menu to select the start up mode. differs on different machines, but a function key during switch on. Normally windows will present you with a last known good and then take it back. Otherwise your sighted help needs to either restore a recent back up or if system restore is turned on, go back to prior to the problems. it sounds like a typical corrupted registry to me, and it can be almost impossible talk of a. Do you have a recovery disk made recently on a cd/dvd or stick?
This is the first thing I make after any bit update to windows. it will need sighted help, but boot that in which in some cases means tweaking the bios for boot up order and use that tool to find a good places to go back to.


There are no guarantees as some here will tell you, and reinstalling windows and everything else can be the only fix, but if you are careful and only do one thing at a time, ie don't burn your bridges by going for the draconian fix first, then in the main it seems to be a situation Windows can get back from.
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Subject: [nvda] Windows 10 is Very, Very Broken


Hello List,

So, my Windows 10 is really pitching a fit! This all started when I had to forse shut down my win10 machine using the power butten, because of a total system hang. Then, I turned the machine back on. But NVDA did not come back to life. I tried turning on Narrator, and it wouldn't talk.
So I asked my dad to come and look at my screen. According to him, even when I pressed keys on the keyboard, the log in box wouldn't appear.
I've tried ctrl alt del, I’ve tried rebooting, nothing works. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I have a radio show in two days, and I have no backup machine.

Cheers,

Noah Carver


Re: NVDA AND CCleaner No speech on win 7 after clean issue.

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I think if you look back through the Register or similar web sites it will tell you there. Its the one prior to the latest download.
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Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2017 9:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA AND CCleaner No speech on win 7 after clean issue.


Which version has malware?

Antony.

On Wednesday 04 October 2017 at 20:40:40, zahra wrote:

hello.
which version do you use exactly?
i asked because i am afraid that you use the version which has malware!

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Well I'm using it on windows 7. Could I ask if its the 64 bit or 32 bit
portable version?

I find the 64 bit one actually more reliable, andas long as you do not
change the defaults its not mucking anything screenreader like up. I did
of course download the version without the malware when prompted.

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Subject: [nvda] NVDA AND CCleaner No speech on win 7 after clean issue.

Hi All
As per subject line suggests I get no speech after a clean
with the CCleaner program.
I have to restart the machine to get the speech back.

NVDA 2017.3
Win 7 Pro 64bit
CCleaner 5. a clean version

I run the cleaner on the default settings.

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Re: Braille, how many use it?

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Yes its a worry about tech. It seems nobody in a shop can add up any more when the computers go down.
sigh.
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Braille, how many use it?


Whether technology goes down or not, Braille remains an essential skill to have for a blind person. And if it goes down, I will still have my Bible to read. Living in fear serves no one. I lived in Alaska for 27 years and we learned not to depend entirely on technology by being prepared and using survival skills.

Blessings

Pascal



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Sent: Tuesday, October 3, 2017 6:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Braille, how many use it?



If all of our technology goes down, youl'll have a lot more to worry about than reading. You'll be worried about surviving, where to find food and water and how to avoid being attacked if you do have some.

Gene
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Braille, how many use it?



This argument that we don't need braille is like the argument that
we don't need ham radio or even broadcast radio anymore because of
technology. Well what if there was a major hak or a disaster that took
out the power grid. Think about the recient heracanes and radio was
still viable when all other technology was not available. This could
also be the case for braille. If all of our high technology goes down
for what ever reason and you don't braille what will you do then/ I
think that every blind person who is able should know grade 2 braille no
exceptions unless you do have a medical condition that prevents you from
being able to read braille.

Brian Sackrider


On 10/3/2017 3:36 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
I agree, braille could be used better, its still a good medium as a
way for the blind to read like the sighted.

But take it out of school if that now, and the fact is you don't need
to use it generally.

I'd like to see it on menus or places where you would read it more
naturally rather than taking out my device and looking different.

We also need to learn how to get devices where you can type quieter.

At some university classes and school I had to type in another room
because of it being to loud.

And even when I was allowed, the fact is the noise is like a dot
matrix I know its my right to be able to use it but at convenience of
others.

I am entitled because I am blind but later on I do wander at what they
had to put up with.

But you never think about that when you are a kid.




On 4/10/2017 3:06 a.m., Damien Sykes-Lindley wrote:
Hi,
I don't see anyone saying that we should give up braille for
technology. That seemed to happen naturally in my case because I had
no need to read it, so I never did. Only recently when trying to play
a game I realised just how screwed my braille skills actually are.
In fact, I totally agree that braille would be better in some areas
of work, programming and large calculations being two such areas. On
the other hand, try asking for a disability/assistive technology
grant over here and see if you can break the record for the longest
fight and largest number of letdowns... I've just about given up hope
on both the government and the RNIB. Bleh.
Cheers.
Damien.
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Braille, how many use it?

Braille is as important to a blind person as print is to someone who
can see. I do not see any sighted person saying they should give up
print because of technology. I am glad NVDA developers are working on
making it braille friendly. The fact that braille displays are too
expensive should not discourage learning braille as prices are bound
to come down and many get those devices the government or private
programs, anyway.

On 10/3/17, Robert Mendoza <lowvisiontek@gmail.com <mailto:lowvisiontek@gmail.com> > wrote:
Lucky of those who has a braille display, cause here it is very
expensive and you need to buy it online or rather to pre-order to the
selected store. So I simply used the ordinary keyboard.

Robert Mendoza

On 10/3/2017 5:41 AM, Adriani Botez wrote:
In Germany they are also bein paid by ministery of labor or by the
health
insurance company. And very often is being individually judged if the
person
gets the device paid or not. It depends on the time period since last
payment or on how well tested is the technical features of the device.


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An: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Betreff: Re: [nvda] Braille, how many use it?

I agree. Luckily, the National Health Service here in Italy gives us
braille
displays, either totally paid by the National Health Service
itself, or
partly - depending on the cost of the device.


I used an Optacon before the advent of braille displays, and still do,
but
on paper and ereaders; no longer on a pc screen, due to uncomfortable
position of my workstation.


I couldn't live without braille! I switched to NVDA only once braille
support was introduced.

Ciao,

Ollie





Il 03/10/2017 13:41, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io ha
scritto:
Tis is just a question. I see a lot of work going on on the
development front to make these displays and the entering of the code
more intuitive and better.
I just wondered how many folk here can afford to use a Braille
display
on their machines? Since the promised Orbit seems to be having issues
getting out of the factory, most of the other choices out there need
a second mortgage to buy them!

Just musing that was all.
Brian

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Re: Braille, how many use it?

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I'd imagine that if they said how it worked then everyone else would do it the same way. Not totally convinced on these displays, but the firmer dots did attract me as I am a bit of a scrubber as many who learnt later in life often can be.
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Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2017 9:32 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Braille, how many use it?


All that says about the difference from traditional displays is that "The dots
do not give when the user presses them. The dots on some braille displays
using the traditional technology yield to pressure. The technology used in the
Orbit Reader 20 does not exhibit this characteristic. Once the dot is raised,
it stays raised no matter how hard the user examines it."

and

"The second difference from full-featured devices is that the unit refreshes
differently from previously existing technology. The refresh rate is slower,
and the user can just hear the slight tap as each pin rises from left to
right."

So, I can make some guesses about how the dots work in this device, but it
would still be nice to know for sure.

Antony.

On Wednesday 04 October 2017 at 22:17:40, Adriani Botez wrote:

Dear Antony,

here you can read all about it:
http://www.aph.org/research/orbit-reader-20-details/


Best
Adriani

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An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] Braille, how many use it?

Does anyone here know what is special or unusual about the Orbit
technology, so that it's (at least in theory) possible for them to
manufacture and sell for such a low price compared to traditional
displays?

I know that the vast majority, if not all, of other Braille displays are
based on piezo-electric actuators to raise and lower the pins (which partly
explains the price, and also explains the physical size of the displays,
and why multi- line displays can't reasonably be made), but I'm wondering
whether anyone here knows what different technology the Orbit is based on
so that it can be made so much cheaper?


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Re: FW: [win10] Audio guide: Windows Insider Preview build 16232 guide posted

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Another group to subscribe to when I get win 10 again nearer the big C word.

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Hi,

Windows 10 upgrade: you'll see posts on Win10 forum (not this list) about
all this.

Cheers,

Joseph



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Ballou
Sent: Wednesday, October 4, 2017 10:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] FW: [win10] Audio guide: Windows Insider Preview build
16232 guide posted



Hi Joseph,



Thanks for this preview. I recently signed up to the windows insiders
group, and am looking to get a copy of the fall creators update. I went to
the install link on the website, and I guess it installs in the background
because I can seem to find out if it is installing or not is there a way to
tell that you are getting it? I have several clients that will be upgraded
on the 17th when it comes out, and I kind of want to get the jump on things
so that I can be ready for their questions about new changes and what
effects they will have on their use of windows 10 with the latest version of
NVDA. All help and guidance appreciated my friend. Thanks much.



Tony



On 7/9/2017 4:07 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi NVDA community,

In case you want to know what's happening in Windows 10 development (and a
treat for those who'd like to hear what Windows OneCore voices sound like),
here's an overview of things included in latest Windows 10 preview build.
Enjoy.



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To: win10@win10.groups.io <mailto:win10@win10.groups.io>
Subject: [win10] Audio guide: Windows Insider Preview build 16232 guide
posted



Hi all,



Another item in Windows 10 build progression series, this time on build
16232 is now up:

http://www.josephsl.net/files/WinTen%2016232.mp3



Topics covered include:

* My People
* GPU activity tracking in Task Manager
* Narrator user guide
* Brief overview of new braille support improvements
* Cloud-based image recognition service
* Always on scan mode
* Control+Windows+N to open Settings/Ease of Access/Narrator
* Settings/Cortana category and other changes
* Settings/System/About and Remote Desktop configuration changes
* Status messages for individual updates in Windows Update
* Settings/Privacy/App requested downloads
* Full screen mode in Edge
* Changing URL's of favorites
* Volume mixer and universal apps
* Dictating text in edit fields such as Notepad
* Emoji panel and keyboard-based emoji entry and search
* Controlled folder access in Windows Defender Security Center



Briefly mentioned:

* Windows Subsystem for Linux does not require developer mode
* Grouping app windows in Task Manager
* Fluent design system
* Mixed reality and teleportation
* Video playback settings in Settings app
* Windows 10 Mobile in maintenance mode
* Windows Insider Program for Windows Server
* Changes to branch names (e.g. Current Branch is Semi-Annual Pilot)



In addition, the following topics could not be covered due to time
constraints (today's audio guide is an hour long one):

* Input learning in Narrator (Caps lock+1)
* Full extent of braille options in Narrator
* Cortana interaction changes
* OneDrive files on demand
* Windows Sonic for Headphones (mostly dealing with hardware setup
required)
* Pinning websites in Edge to taskbar
* Read aloud in PDF's and books in Edge
* Power throttling (hardware setup required)
* Windows Hello (hardware setup required)
* Beam/Mixer broadcasting (don't have an active Xbox Live account)



Corrections:

* In the beginning of the guide I state that the last guide was on
build 15048, but it was 15042.
* I wanted to give a word about my impression of Fall Creators Update
but ran out of time. Similarly, I could not include upgrade advice for same
reasons.



Enjoy.

Cheers,

Joseph