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Re: Backstage View in MS-Word 2010 & Later

Quentin Christensen
 

Also, if you are used to using F12 to save as, you can also use control+f12 to directly open an open dialog.  If you check "Don't show the backstage when opening or saving files", in the "Save" options, you can use control+o to open or control+s to save (a previously unsaved file).

On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 5:19 AM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Alt F A has been around in programs at least as far back as Windows 95.  I noted with interest, when I learned about ribbons, that the ribbon menu was set up to preserve this command.  I don't use Word so I can't evaluate Back Stage View. 
 
Gene
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Backstage View in MS-Word 2010 & Later

On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 09:39 am, Gene wrote:
If that is so, it would at least be useful, from what I've read, for blind users to know how to either stop it from coming up when saving files or how to dismiss it efficiently when it does come up.
Gene, the link I gave includes the information about how you can keep backstage view from coming up when you use CTRL+O to open a file or F12 to Save As.  That's the most one can do.

I've been teaching folks how to use the File tab, as it comes (which is the backstage view), for years now and it does not seem to be problematic.  It's a matter, in many cases, of resistance to change.  I cannot believe I am still hearing rants about the ribbon interface more than 10 years after its introduction.  It isn't going away and it is up to end users, sighted or blind, to learn how to use it effectively whether they like it or not (and, for the record, I preferred menus myself).

It is my custom to teach keyboard shortcuts for pretty much any commonly used function in any given Office program.  Alt+F, followed by the correct character for Save (S), Save As (A), Open (O), etc., etc., etc., hasn't changed in a very long time and is, if memory serves, unchanged from the era of the File Menu, but I could be wrong about that.  Since Word 2003 was the last version that used menus it's now not even in the mists of my memory.  I've gotta keep up and try my darndest to do so.

By the way, none of the above is aimed at you, personally, but is a broad observation.  I would hope that doesn't even need to be said, but just in case.


 
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Re: office365

Darren Tomblin
 

If I do a reset will have to reinstall any of my programs

On 9/4/2017 5:28 PM, slery wrote:
If you can get the machine to start up, I would do a reset. It will keep your files and most of your programs but run better (make sure that you choose the option to keep your settings and files).

Cindy

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Sent: Monday, September 04, 2017 4:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] office365

I got it installed but i'm having another problem. it started before installing it. something keeps getting corrupted. my alt tab doesn't work and the start menu won't come up and if I switch to jaws or window eyes I get an error about the display. I checked and i'm running the latest driver for my graphics card. also if I have someone look at my screen sometimes its either blue or black with just the mouse pointer on it. if I reboot the problem goes away. i'm running windows10 with all current updates on the screen readers. does anyone know how to fix this.
thanks

On 9/4/2017 3:34 PM, slery wrote:
I agree. Since your version is not very old, I would personally stick
with it until it no longer works for you. When I made the switch, it
was from 2002. I was having issues that all seemed to go back to some
compatibility problems. We chose 365 this time because it was cheaper
to have both out look and access plus the ability to install on up to five computers.
Cindy


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Why do you want to install the new product? To be honest the old
adage, if its not broken don't fix it comes to mind. New lamps for
old may be alluring, but ask yourself if you will use any of the new
bits and indeed whether you want to tie yourself into paid updates of a new version.
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 6:40 AM
Subject: [nvda] office365


Hi, I have a couple questions. when I bought my laptop several years
ago it came with office 2007 i'm thinking about unistalling it and
putting
office365 on it. I was wondering if this would break nvda since
reading some posts on here. where do I go to install 365 is in the
store. thanks

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Re: question about carriage returns vs line feeds in NVDA

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

you're slightly incorrect in your end of line character assignment.

The original mac os (prior to OSX used carriage return (ascii 13, hex 0D).  Unix uses (and always has) linefeed (ascii 10, hex 0A), and windows/dos uses both (though generally, windows only reports the carriage return, if you use a hex editor, you will see both are present).

Hope this clears up any confusion.

On 9/4/2017 8:24 AM, Antony Stone wrote:
Yes, there is a difference between the two, and it matters when sending files
between different types of computers.

Windows uses simply Carriage Return (hex code 0d) to indicate end of line.

Macintosh computers used to use just Line Feed (hex code 0a); I don't know
whether this changed when they migrated from MacOS to OSX.

Linux and Unix computers use both together, so the hex code is 0d 0a, to
indicate end of line.

The reason for the two codes is historical - teletypes and printers used one
code to mean "return the print head to the start of the line" (that's Carriage
Return), and the other to mean "move the paper up one line" (that's line
feed).

This made it possible to print a line, return to the start without moving the
paper, and then print again over the top of the first line, used for creating
bold print, composite characters, etc.


Regards,


Antony.

On Monday 04 September 2017 at 12:56:22, Mohamed wrote:

Hi, I noticed that, depending on the text editor in use at the time,
NVDA will sometimes say either "carriage return" or "Line feed" to
indicate new lines. Since they seem to serve similar purposes, I wonder
if there is actually a difference between the two?
Thanks.


Re: question about carriage returns vs line feeds in NVDA

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

In dos (and most of the time windows) an end of line is denoted by a carriage return and a line feed one after the other (ascii 13/ascii10).  On unix type environments (including linux) it's generally just a line feed (ascii 10) that is the end of line character.  Older mac versions used just a carriage return, so it was always hit or miss as to which end of line character(s) you'd get when you picked up a text file that was cross platform.  This still happens sometimes (especially when working with languages like python, java or ruby, who are mostly cross platform). Different editors handle the end of line characters differently, though most windows editors just ignore line feeds, and treat them just like another unprintable character, which is why when opening a file created on a unix system, it all appears to be on a single line in a windows editor.  There are some editors that automatically convert line endings based on which os you're using to load the file (pico/nano does this), as does a custom editor I use sometimes when coding, but in general, on windows, the carriage return is considered the end of line character (though it still contains the carriage return and line feed pairs)

No idea why this is done (pretending the linefeed character doesn't exist, for simplicity I guess), but nonetheless, if you have a good editor, it will handle the end of line characters properly.  If you don't, then it will leave it all on a single line, and you'll need to add the carriage returns yourself.

On 9/4/2017 6:56 AM, Mohamed wrote:
Hi, I noticed that, depending on the text editor in use at the time, NVDA will sometimes say either "carriage return" or "Line feed" to indicate new lines. Since they seem to serve similar purposes, I wonder if there is actually a difference between the two?
Thanks.



Re: office365

slery <slerythema@...>
 

If you can get the machine to start up, I would do a reset. It will keep your files and most of your programs but run better (make sure that you choose the option to keep your settings and files).

Cindy

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Darren Tomblin
Sent: Monday, September 04, 2017 4:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] office365

I got it installed but i'm having another problem. it started before installing it. something keeps getting corrupted. my alt tab doesn't work and the start menu won't come up and if I switch to jaws or window eyes I get an error about the display. I checked and i'm running the latest driver for my graphics card. also if I have someone look at my screen sometimes its either blue or black with just the mouse pointer on it. if I reboot the problem goes away. i'm running windows10 with all current updates on the screen readers. does anyone know how to fix this.
thanks

On 9/4/2017 3:34 PM, slery wrote:
I agree. Since your version is not very old, I would personally stick
with it until it no longer works for you. When I made the switch, it
was from 2002. I was having issues that all seemed to go back to some
compatibility problems. We chose 365 this time because it was cheaper
to have both out look and access plus the ability to install on up to five computers.
Cindy


On August 15, 2017 3:38:00 AM "Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io"
<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

Why do you want to install the new product? To be honest the old
adage, if its not broken don't fix it comes to mind. New lamps for
old may be alluring, but ask yourself if you will use any of the new
bits and indeed whether you want to tie yourself into paid updates of a new version.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Darren Tomblin" <dtomblin@hotmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 6:40 AM
Subject: [nvda] office365


Hi, I have a couple questions. when I bought my laptop several years
ago it came with office 2007 i'm thinking about unistalling it and
putting
office365 on it. I was wondering if this would break nvda since
reading some posts on here. where do I go to install 365 is in the
store. thanks

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Re: Making Partition Using NVDA

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

Partition magic is *not* (I repeat) partition magic is *not* a windows tool.  Therefore, your statements are erroneous. Microsoft does not include partition magic with windows, so that makes it neither free, nor is it part of windows (which is what the original poster was asking for.

On 9/4/2017 4:53 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
That is clearly not true, as a friend of mine has done this, but he is sighted. He used partition magic and a special bit of code in the primary partition that allowed you to select which OS you booted. As there are only two and it always defaults to the same position, the fact that this does not speak is not an issue for  blind use.
I'll need to ask him the trick.
I think it can have issues if there is already a hidden partition for recovery use as is often the case these days. Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2017 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Making Partition Using NVDA


If there's a way to resize partitions with built in windows tools, I
sure never learned about it. The only way to make one partition two
partitions is to delete the existing partition, and create two of them,
which wipes out everything on the drive, and leaves you with two freshly
formatted partitions both of which will be completely blank. This is
fine if you don't care about the contents of your hard disk, but if
you're trying to simply split a single partition into two partitions,
then there aren't any ways to do this with just default windows utilities.


On 9/2/2017 11:41 PM, Raghavendra Janivarada wrote:

Hi, I don’t want to go with third party application. Built-in disk
management option can fulfil my requirement. My question is that How
to do this using NVDA?

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*Subject: *Re: [nvda] Making Partition Using NVDA

Unless you have a program that can resize partitions, you're not going
to be able to change your partitions without loosing
everything.Paragon has a couple programs that can do this, check out
http://paragon-software.com and take a look at their partition manager
or their hard disk manager depending on how much you want to do. Both
programs aren't 100 percent accessible, but they're close enough to
get the job done. If you're willing to help out, let me know, and
can give you my affiliate links, but if you just want to purchase the
programs, that's ok too.

On 9/2/2017 12:07 PM, Raghavendra Janivarada wrote:

    Hi List,

    Kindly someone guide me to make partition on C drive using NVDA.

    I am using Del laptop with Win10 64 Bits. In this laptop all the
    space is reserved for C drive. I want to make two partitions to
    allocate my data.

    Thanks In Advance

    Raghu

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Re: getting messages to automatically read in outlook when using NVDA

Lino Morales
 

I don't think you really can.

On 9/4/2017 4:21 PM, Casey wrote:
Hi sorry about that.
When I am using Jaws and delete the message I am currently reading.
It will open the next one and read it right away.
Now when I use NVDA and delete the message that I am reading.
And it will open the next one but I have to hit the NVDA key and down arrow
then it will read the message.
So I hope that clears that up.
How do I make NVDA do what Jaws does when reading and deleting A message and
moving on to the next message and having it read it?




-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Antony
Stone
Sent: Monday, September 04, 2017 8:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] getting messages to automatically read in outlook when
using NVDA

I'm not quite sure what the problem is here. You say that with JAWS:

"I can open a message and then read it and hit control delete and I will go
on
to the next message".

I assume you mean it's deleted the first message as well.

Then you say that with NVDA:

"I can do this it will delete the message that I just read, but then it will

open the next one"

You then say you have to use NVDA-down to actually read that message.

Maybe it's just because of the different wording you've used, but what's the

difference between JAWS, which "goes on to the next message", and NVDA,
which
"deletes the message you just read and then opens the next one"?

To me these things sound the same.


Antony.

On Monday 04 September 2017 at 15:39:23, Casey wrote:

Hi when I am using Jaws and the latest version of outlook.

I can open A message and then read it and hit control delete and I will go
on to the next message.

Now if I use NVDA I can do this it will delete the message that I just
read.

But then it will open the next on and I will have to use the NVDA key and
down arrow to read the next message.

Can you get an add on that will fix that or is that just the way things
work with that screen reader?


Re: turning of speech in an application or program

Mohamed
 

Or z, if you're on the laptop layout.


On 9/4/2017 2:38 PM, Monte Single wrote:

Yes,  ins, shift, s.

That’s it.

Thanks

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
Sent: September-04-17 12:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] turning of speech in an application or program

 

NVDA key + shift + S will toggle sleep mode on/off, and, NVDA key + S cycles through speech modes - think that's a default option/keystroke.

 

Stay well

 

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2017/09/04 20:06, Monte Single wrote:

I thought the key combo to turn off speech in an application was;

Control+shift+insert

 

What is the correct combo?

Thanks,

Monte

 



Re: Further Update Query

 


On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 11:52 am, Lino Morales wrote:
She had no UpgradeAssistant on her desktop.
Upgrade Assistant is not on your desktop.  You go to the Windows 10 Download Page, and activate the Update Now button to trigger the Update Assistant as I mentioned earlier.

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Re: getting messages to automatically read in outlook when using NVDA

Gene
 

Are you reading mail as plain text or as HTML?  NVDA has a feature called automatic read on page load.  It is in the browse mode settings.  But it is checked by default.  I don't read mail as HTML because that is the safest way to read it.  No malicious code can run.  But I just found out today from a message from someone, I believe on another List, that Thunderbird has an HTML setting that shows mail as HTML but doesn't allow any code to run. 
 
I don't know what program you are using, but, as I've said before, there are times when simply getting in the habit of executing a command can save you time and trouble.  When I do a search on an Internet page, I issue the read current line command after I do the search to avoid reading of extraneous text.  After a little while, it's second nature.  I read mail in plain text in my e-mail program.  I've been using the read to end command after I move to a new message for years.  It's second nature. 
 
Screen-readers take a way of displaying information that isn't intended for use with screen-readers and makes the information accessible.  At times, something isn't going to work perfectly.  Computer operating systems aren't made by blind people and screen-readers work remarkably well with them.  Take it or leave it, my advice, based on nineteen or twenty years of experience with Windows is that you will save a lot of trouble if you adopt such procedures when they are minimal, as I've been describing and not spend time and trouble being a perfectionist about how this or this minor problem should work in a perfect world.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Casey
Sent: Monday, September 04, 2017 3:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] getting messages to automatically read in outlook when using NVDA

Hi sorry about that.
When I am using Jaws and delete the message I am currently reading.
It will open the next one and read it right away.
Now when I use NVDA and delete the message that I am reading.
And it will open the next one but I have to hit the NVDA key and down arrow
then it will read the message.
So I hope that clears that up.
How do I make NVDA do what Jaws does when reading and deleting A message and
moving on to the next message and having it read it?




-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Antony
Stone
Sent: Monday, September 04, 2017 8:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] getting messages to automatically read in outlook when
using NVDA

I'm not quite sure what the problem is here.  You say that with JAWS:

"I can open a message and then read it and hit control delete and I will go
on
to the next message".

I assume you mean it's deleted the first message as well.

Then you say that with NVDA:

"I can do this it will delete the message that I just read, but then it will

open the next one"

You then say you have to use NVDA-down to actually read that message.

Maybe it's just because of the different wording you've used, but what's the

difference between JAWS, which "goes on to the next message", and NVDA,
which
"deletes the message you just read and then opens the next one"?

To me these things sound the same.


Antony.

On Monday 04 September 2017 at 15:39:23, Casey wrote:

> Hi when I am using Jaws and the latest version of outlook.
>
> I can open A message and then read it and hit control delete and I will go
> on to the next message.
>
> Now if I use NVDA I can do this it will delete the message that I just
> read.
>
> But then it will open the next on and I will have to use the NVDA key and
> down arrow to read the next message.
>
> Can you get an add on that will fix that or is that just the way things
> work with that screen reader?

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Re: getting messages to automatically read in outlook when using NVDA

Antony Stone
 

Aha :)

I now understand the distinction, but I'll have to defer to someone else here
who uses Outlook who may be able to answer your question - I don't use
Outlook, so I'm sorry but I can't tell you how to do this with NVDA.

Antony.

On Monday 04 September 2017 at 22:21:03, Casey wrote:

Hi sorry about that.
When I am using Jaws and delete the message I am currently reading.
It will open the next one and read it right away.
Now when I use NVDA and delete the message that I am reading.
And it will open the next one but I have to hit the NVDA key and down arrow
then it will read the message.
So I hope that clears that up.
How do I make NVDA do what Jaws does when reading and deleting A message
and moving on to the next message and having it read it?




-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Antony
Stone
Sent: Monday, September 04, 2017 8:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] getting messages to automatically read in outlook when
using NVDA

I'm not quite sure what the problem is here. You say that with JAWS:

"I can open a message and then read it and hit control delete and I will go
on to the next message".

I assume you mean it's deleted the first message as well.

Then you say that with NVDA:

"I can do this it will delete the message that I just read, but then it
will open the next one"

You then say you have to use NVDA-down to actually read that message.

Maybe it's just because of the different wording you've used, but what's
the difference between JAWS, which "goes on to the next message", and NVDA,
which "deletes the message you just read and then opens the next one"?

To me these things sound the same.


Antony.

On Monday 04 September 2017 at 15:39:23, Casey wrote:
Hi when I am using Jaws and the latest version of outlook.

I can open A message and then read it and hit control delete and I will
go on to the next message.

Now if I use NVDA I can do this it will delete the message that I just
read.

But then it will open the next on and I will have to use the NVDA key and
down arrow to read the next message.

Can you get an add on that will fix that or is that just the way things
work with that screen reader?
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Re: office365

Darren Tomblin
 

I got it installed but i'm having another problem. it started before
installing it. something keeps getting corrupted. my alt tab doesn't
work and the start menu won't come up and if I switch to jaws or window
eyes I get an error about the display. I checked and i'm running the
latest driver for my graphics card.  also if I have someone look at my
screen sometimes its either blue or black with just the mouse pointer on
it. if I reboot the problem goes away. i'm running windows10 with all
current updates on the screen readers. does anyone know how to fix this.
thanks

On 9/4/2017 3:34 PM, slery wrote:
I agree. Since your version is not very old, I would personally stick with
it until it no longer works for you. When I made the switch, it was from
2002. I was having issues that all seemed to go back to some compatibility
problems. We chose 365 this time because it was cheaper to have both out
look and access plus the ability to install on up to five computers.
Cindy


On August 15, 2017 3:38:00 AM "Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io"
<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

Why do you want to install the new product? To be honest the old adage, if
its not broken don't fix it comes to mind. New lamps for old may be
alluring, but ask yourself if you will use any of the new bits and indeed
whether you want to tie yourself into paid updates of a new version.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Darren Tomblin" <dtomblin@hotmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 6:40 AM
Subject: [nvda] office365


Hi, I have a couple questions. when I bought my laptop several years ago
it came with office 2007 i'm thinking about unistalling it and putting
office365 on it. I was wondering if this would break nvda since reading
some posts on here. where do I go to install 365 is in the store. thanks

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Re: getting messages to automatically read in outlook when using NVDA

Casey <cwollner@...>
 

Hi sorry about that.
When I am using Jaws and delete the message I am currently reading.
It will open the next one and read it right away.
Now when I use NVDA and delete the message that I am reading.
And it will open the next one but I have to hit the NVDA key and down arrow
then it will read the message.
So I hope that clears that up.
How do I make NVDA do what Jaws does when reading and deleting A message and
moving on to the next message and having it read it?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Antony
Stone
Sent: Monday, September 04, 2017 8:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] getting messages to automatically read in outlook when
using NVDA

I'm not quite sure what the problem is here. You say that with JAWS:

"I can open a message and then read it and hit control delete and I will go
on
to the next message".

I assume you mean it's deleted the first message as well.

Then you say that with NVDA:

"I can do this it will delete the message that I just read, but then it will

open the next one"

You then say you have to use NVDA-down to actually read that message.

Maybe it's just because of the different wording you've used, but what's the

difference between JAWS, which "goes on to the next message", and NVDA,
which
"deletes the message you just read and then opens the next one"?

To me these things sound the same.


Antony.

On Monday 04 September 2017 at 15:39:23, Casey wrote:

Hi when I am using Jaws and the latest version of outlook.

I can open A message and then read it and hit control delete and I will go
on to the next message.

Now if I use NVDA I can do this it will delete the message that I just
read.

But then it will open the next on and I will have to use the NVDA key and
down arrow to read the next message.

Can you get an add on that will fix that or is that just the way things
work with that screen reader?
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Second advisory for Joseph's add-ons: Support for Windows XP and Vista to be phased out from StationPlaylist Studio add-on

 

Hi SPL add-on users,

 

This is to notify you that I’ll be phasing out support for Windows XP and Vista in the next few months, to be completed no later than mid-2019. As I was planning to release a new LTS series in 2018, I decided to make it the last LTS series to support these old Windows releases and Studio versions earlier than 5.11. Because there are folks who are broadcasting with Studio who happens to use old Windows releases, it’ll be a gradual transition, beginning with development snapshot users, followed by stable build users and ending with LTS users.

 

Advisory reasons:

 

  • Announcement from NV Access that NVDA 2017.4 will drop support for Windows releases earlier than Windows 7 SP1.
  • Expected Python 3 transition as early as next year.

 

Thanks.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: office365

slery <slerythema@...>
 

I agree. Since your version is not very old, I would personally stick with
it until it no longer works for you. When I made the switch, it was from
2002. I was having issues that all seemed to go back to some compatibility
problems. We chose 365 this time because it was cheaper to have both out
look and access plus the ability to install on up to five computers.
Cindy


On August 15, 2017 3:38:00 AM "Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io"
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Why do you want to install the new product? To be honest the old adage, if
its not broken don't fix it comes to mind. New lamps for old may be
alluring, but ask yourself if you will use any of the new bits and indeed
whether you want to tie yourself into paid updates of a new version.
Brian

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From: "Darren Tomblin" <dtomblin@hotmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 6:40 AM
Subject: [nvda] office365


Hi, I have a couple questions. when I bought my laptop several years ago
it came with office 2007 i'm thinking about unistalling it and putting
office365 on it. I was wondering if this would break nvda since reading
some posts on here. where do I go to install 365 is in the store. thanks

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Re: Backstage View in MS-Word 2010 & Later

Gene
 

Alt F A has been around in programs at least as far back as Windows 95.  I noted with interest, when I learned about ribbons, that the ribbon menu was set up to preserve this command.  I don't use Word so I can't evaluate Back Stage View. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, September 04, 2017 1:01 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Backstage View in MS-Word 2010 & Later

On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 09:39 am, Gene wrote:
If that is so, it would at least be useful, from what I've read, for blind users to know how to either stop it from coming up when saving files or how to dismiss it efficiently when it does come up.
Gene, the link I gave includes the information about how you can keep backstage view from coming up when you use CTRL+O to open a file or F12 to Save As.  That's the most one can do.

I've been teaching folks how to use the File tab, as it comes (which is the backstage view), for years now and it does not seem to be problematic.  It's a matter, in many cases, of resistance to change.  I cannot believe I am still hearing rants about the ribbon interface more than 10 years after its introduction.  It isn't going away and it is up to end users, sighted or blind, to learn how to use it effectively whether they like it or not (and, for the record, I preferred menus myself).

It is my custom to teach keyboard shortcuts for pretty much any commonly used function in any given Office program.  Alt+F, followed by the correct character for Save (S), Save As (A), Open (O), etc., etc., etc., hasn't changed in a very long time and is, if memory serves, unchanged from the era of the File Menu, but I could be wrong about that.  Since Word 2003 was the last version that used menus it's now not even in the mists of my memory.  I've gotta keep up and try my darndest to do so.

By the way, none of the above is aimed at you, personally, but is a broad observation.  I would hope that doesn't even need to be said, but just in case.


 
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Re: Further Update Query

Lino Morales
 

Wow. My wife's new WIN 10 Dell laptop had version 10086 also. She had no UpgradeAssistant on her desktop.


On 9/4/2017 1:53 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 10:02 am, Lino Morales wrote:
Glad I had the Upgrade Assistant on my desktop when I got this referb HP on my birthday. I had build 1086 on here.
Lino,

        Yep.  I just had a machine that had been so badly infected that the decision was made to restore it to factory state and work from there.  It was one of the Windows 10 machines released during the very first version of Windows 10 (1507), and you don't want anyone staying on that one minute longer than is necessary.

        Had it been someone I was supporting by phone, rather than doing it myself, I'd have pointed them to the Update Assistant on the Windows 10 Download Page.  But since I was doing it myself and keep a rolling copy of the latest ISO at all times I used the second method I'd mentioned.  Went straight from Version 1507 to Version 1703. 
 
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Re: turning of speech in an application or program

Monte Single
 

Yes,  ins, shift, s.

That’s it.

Thanks

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
Sent: September-04-17 12:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] turning of speech in an application or program

 

NVDA key + shift + S will toggle sleep mode on/off, and, NVDA key + S cycles through speech modes - think that's a default option/keystroke.

 

Stay well

 

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2017/09/04 20:06, Monte Single wrote:

I thought the key combo to turn off speech in an application was;

Control+shift+insert

 

What is the correct combo?

Thanks,

Monte

 


Re: turning of speech in an application or program

Daniel Wolak
 

Hi,

the correct combination is shift+nvda+s

Cheers,


Daniel


On 9/4/2017 2:06 PM, Monte Single wrote:

I thought the key combo to turn off speech in an application was;

Control+shift+insert

 

What is the correct combo?

Thanks,

Monte



Re: turning of speech in an application or program

Jacob Kruger
 

NVDA key + shift + S will toggle sleep mode on/off, and, NVDA key + S cycles through speech modes - think that's a default option/keystroke.


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2017/09/04 20:06, Monte Single wrote:

I thought the key combo to turn off speech in an application was;

Control+shift+insert

 

What is the correct combo?

Thanks,

Monte