Date   
Re: Learning Programming

tim
 

On Mar 15, 2017, at 4:06 PM, Juan Hernandez <juanhernandez98@...> wrote:

Hmm, this is weird.  I feel now more than any other time it is easiest to
learn how to program.

There are so many materials free and paid that you can use to learn to
program.

And believe me I know.  I learned to program basic in the 80s, and that was
hard there was no real internet or anything like it.  I had to have my
little brother read to me books, and I learned from that.


Best,

Juan Hernandez
Juanhernandez98@...
619-750-9431 (M)         |  858-777-3311 (F)
My WebSite | Twitter | FaceBook | LinkedIn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Biblesoft 8288
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 8:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Learning Programming

Yes, it does seem that learning to program from scratch, at least for the
blind want to be programmer, is difficult to do.  I've even started to look
at older books, written before the use of Tools became so wide
spread.    But here I run into slight compatibility issues.    The New
Code today is slightly different from the code used even 5 years ago.  

I'll keep looking.

Dave







Re: crackling speech

Gene
 

Is it the add on that comes with other voices or the stand alone SAPI5 version.  The add on has the kinds of artifacts you are describing.  The stand alone SAPI 5 version doesn't unless there is some other problem causing the artifacts.. 
 
Gene
----- original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 5:52 PM
Subject: [nvda] crackling speech

Hi All,

 

I bought the eloquence speech from codefactory.  One thing I have noticed is when I use NVDA, often there are like crackles in the speech.  It isn’t smooth like eloquence with jaws, or window-eyes.

 

Does anyone have any ideas?

 

Best,

 

Juan

 

Juan Hernandez

Juanhernandez98@...

619-750-9431 (M)         |  858-777-3311 (F)

My WebSite | Twitter | FaceBook | LinkedIn

 

crackling speech

Juan Hernandez
 

Hi All,

 

I bought the eloquence speech from codefactory.  One thing I have noticed is when I use NVDA, often there are like crackles in the speech.  It isn’t smooth like eloquence with jaws, or window-eyes.

 

Does anyone have any ideas?

 

Best,

 

Juan

 

Juan Hernandez

Juanhernandez98@...

619-750-9431 (M)         |  858-777-3311 (F)

My WebSite | Twitter | FaceBook | LinkedIn

 

Re: Is NVDA right for me?

Георги Ламбов <obichamlegiona@...>
 

   Hi!

In my opinion you mustn't unSubscribe this group. There are people with good computer's knowledge and experience here, who will help you further. And about the messages you can make filters for the messages of NvdA-mailinglist and this filter will be only for the messages from this group. If you are also member of any other group, you can do the same about the messages of the group you are. In this way you will have more place for the letters you receive.
Cheers!
Georgi
На 15.3.2017 г. в 22:35 ч., Fantasy Sports написа:

Yes, I agree with you.  Thank you everyone in this group for all your kind advice, it has helped me a lot.

I will definitely look into these other options before coming back to screen readers as an option.

I should probably unsubscribe to this group until that time, my mailbox can't handle too many messages...
 
Do you know how I would unsubscribe?

Peace.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Mar 14, 2017 2:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA right for me?

Window-eyes isn't simpler than NVDA.  I don't know just what Narrator can do.  for your purposes, I don't know if it's any better or not.  Narrator may be simpler but that doesn't mean it will meet your needs.  I'm not saying that NVDA or Narrator will meet your needs or not.  I'm saying that I don't think you are looking at options in the right order.  I would think that there are e-mail lists and/or Internet forums where people who have dyslexia and other print disabilities can discuss programs they use to read print and they may be able to discuss how best to read whatever you want to read.  
 
I'm not saying that you won't decide to look into screen-readers after you try to get information about other means.  I'm saying that I think you are looking at options in the wrong order.  Screen-readers are intended for blind users and don't necessarily do things that you want done or in the way you want them done. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA right for me?

Cannot read much text without getting ill, but don't need to
navigate the computer.

I think the answers have pretty much covered it, right now
leaning towards something that might be simpler then NVDA.

Might need to learn how to really fine tune Windows Narrator
or learn more about Windows Eyes.

Thanks for the help!

-----Original Message-----
>From: Pranav Lal <pranav.lal@...>
>Sent: Mar 13, 2017 7:21 PM
>To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA right for me?
>
>Hi,
>
>I have not seen all messages on this thread therefore what I ask may have already been covered. In what situation do you need to read text? If you are fatigued when reading long documents then a solution like text aloud may work better. If however, you need to navigate the computer by using speech, then NVDA is the way to go.
>
>Pranav
>
>
>
>



Re: Is NVDA right for me?

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi,

The address for unsubscribing is

nvda+unsubscribe@groups.io.

Hope this helps.

Rosemarie



On 3/15/2017 1:35 PM, Fantasy Sports wrote:
Yes, I agree with you.  Thank you everyone in this group for all your kind advice, it has helped me a lot.

I will definitely look into these other options before coming back to screen readers as an option.

I should probably unsubscribe to this group until that time, my mailbox can't handle too many messages...
 
Do you know how I would unsubscribe?

Peace.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Mar 14, 2017 2:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA right for me?

Window-eyes isn't simpler than NVDA.  I don't know just what Narrator can do.  for your purposes, I don't know if it's any better or not.  Narrator may be simpler but that doesn't mean it will meet your needs.  I'm not saying that NVDA or Narrator will meet your needs or not.  I'm saying that I don't think you are looking at options in the right order.  I would think that there are e-mail lists and/or Internet forums where people who have dyslexia and other print disabilities can discuss programs they use to read print and they may be able to discuss how best to read whatever you want to read.  
 
I'm not saying that you won't decide to look into screen-readers after you try to get information about other means.  I'm saying that I think you are looking at options in the wrong order.  Screen-readers are intended for blind users and don't necessarily do things that you want done or in the way you want them done. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA right for me?

Cannot read much text without getting ill, but don't need to
navigate the computer.

I think the answers have pretty much covered it, right now
leaning towards something that might be simpler then NVDA.

Might need to learn how to really fine tune Windows Narrator
or learn more about Windows Eyes.

Thanks for the help!

-----Original Message-----
>From: Pranav Lal <pranav.lal@...>
>Sent: Mar 13, 2017 7:21 PM
>To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA right for me?
>
>Hi,
>
>I have not seen all messages on this thread therefore what I ask may have already been covered. In what situation do you need to read text? If you are fatigued when reading long documents then a solution like text aloud may work better. If however, you need to navigate the computer by using speech, then NVDA is the way to go.
>
>Pranav
>
>
>
>



Re: Is NVDA right for me?

Fantasy Sports <fantasylife@...>
 

Yes, I agree with you.  Thank you everyone in this group for all your kind advice, it has helped me a lot.

I will definitely look into these other options before coming back to screen readers as an option.

I should probably unsubscribe to this group until that time, my mailbox can't handle too many messages...
 
Do you know how I would unsubscribe?

Peace.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Mar 14, 2017 2:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA right for me?

Window-eyes isn't simpler than NVDA.  I don't know just what Narrator can do.  for your purposes, I don't know if it's any better or not.  Narrator may be simpler but that doesn't mean it will meet your needs.  I'm not saying that NVDA or Narrator will meet your needs or not.  I'm saying that I don't think you are looking at options in the right order.  I would think that there are e-mail lists and/or Internet forums where people who have dyslexia and other print disabilities can discuss programs they use to read print and they may be able to discuss how best to read whatever you want to read.  
 
I'm not saying that you won't decide to look into screen-readers after you try to get information about other means.  I'm saying that I think you are looking at options in the wrong order.  Screen-readers are intended for blind users and don't necessarily do things that you want done or in the way you want them done. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA right for me?

Cannot read much text without getting ill, but don't need to
navigate the computer.

I think the answers have pretty much covered it, right now
leaning towards something that might be simpler then NVDA.

Might need to learn how to really fine tune Windows Narrator
or learn more about Windows Eyes.

Thanks for the help!

-----Original Message-----
>From: Pranav Lal <pranav.lal@...>
>Sent: Mar 13, 2017 7:21 PM
>To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA right for me?
>
>Hi,
>
>I have not seen all messages on this thread therefore what I ask may have already been covered. In what situation do you need to read text? If you are fatigued when reading long documents then a solution like text aloud may work better. If however, you need to navigate the computer by using speech, then NVDA is the way to go.
>
>Pranav
>
>
>
>


Re: problem is java acces brich

Dean Masters <dwmasters15@...>
 

I think there is a problem with the access bridge in general. I use Open Office and the latest version of JAWS but when I use the spreadsheet it freezes. JAWS support had me install the latest Java and turn the access bridge on and it worked fine until I rebooted my Pc. so they say I need to contact the access team at Java.
 
Dean
 
 

Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 3:09 AM
Subject: [nvda] problem is java acces brich
 

Hio

 

I'm getting a constant error in Java applications. applications NVDA is reading, but there is an error in the log record and an error sound is played.

 

My nvda version:

next-13911,3c8e30bd

My log:

 

INFO - __main__ (10:00:55):

Starting NVDA

INFO - core.main (10:00:56):

Config dir: C:\Users\akkus\AppData\Roaming\nvda

INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (10:00:56):

Loading config: C:\Users\akkus\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini

INFO - core.main (10:00:56):

NVDA version next-13911,3c8e30bd

INFO - core.main (10:00:56):

Using Windows version 10.0.15055 workstation

INFO - core.main (10:00:56):

Using Python version 2.7.13 (v2.7.13:a06454b1afa1, Dec 17 2016, 20:42:59) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]

INFO - core.main (10:00:56):

Using comtypes version 0.6.2

INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (10:00:57):

Loaded synthDriver vocalizer_expressive

INFO - core.main (10:00:57):

Using wx version 3.0.2.0 msw (classic)

INFO - brailleInput.initialize (10:00:57):

Braille input initialized

INFO - braille.initialize (10:00:57):

Using liblouis version 3.0.0

INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (10:00:57):

Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.

INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (10:00:57):

UIAutomation: IUIAutomation3

DEBUGWARNING - touchHandler.initialize (10:00:57):

No touch devices found

INFO - external:globalPlugins.NVDAExtensionGlobalPlugin.GlobalPlugin.__init__ (10:00:59):

Loaded NVDAExtensionGlobalPlugin version 6.0

INFO - core.main (10:01:01):

NVDA initialized

ERROR - queueHandler.flushQueue (10:01:10):

Error in func event_stateChange from JABHandler.internalFunctionQueue

Traceback (most recent call last):

  File "queueHandler.pyc", line 50, in flushQueue

  File "JABHandler.pyc", line 620, in event_stateChange

  File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 70, in __call__

  File "NVDAObjects\JAB\__init__.pyc", line 217, in __init__

  File "NVDAObjects\window\__init__.pyc", line 166, in __init__

ValueError: invalid or not specified window handle

ERROR - eventHandler.executeEvent (10:01:10):

error executing event: gainFocus on <NVDAObjects.Dynamic_ClipboardCommandAnnouncementJAB object at 0x058B0110> with extra args of {}

Traceback (most recent call last):

  File "eventHandler.pyc", line 143, in executeEvent

  File "eventHandler.pyc", line 91, in __init__

  File "eventHandler.pyc", line 98, in next

  File "C:\Users\akkus\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\wintenApps\globalPlugins\wintenObjs\__init__.py", line 199, in event_gainFocus

  File "eventHandler.pyc", line 98, in next

  File "C:\Users\akkus\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\easyTableNavigator\globalPlugins\easyTableNavigator.py", line 82, in event_gainFocus

  File "eventHandler.pyc", line 98, in next

  File "C:\Users\akkus\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\remote\globalPlugins\remoteClient\__init__.py", line 410, in event_gainFocus

  File "eventHandler.pyc", line 98, in next

  File "C:\Users\akkus\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\NVDAExtensionGlobalPlugin\globalPlugins\NVDAExtensionGlobalPlugin\__init__.py", line 238, in event_gainFocus

  File "eventHandler.pyc", line 98, in next

  File "C:\Users\akkus\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\enhancedTouchGestures\globalPlugins\enhancedTouchGestures.py", line 86, in event_gainFocus

  File "eventHandler.pyc", line 98, in next

  File "NVDAObjects\JAB\__init__.pyc", line 527, in event_gainFocus

  File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 900, in event_gainFocus

  File "NVDAObjects\JAB\__init__.pyc", line 475, in reportFocus

  File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 812, in reportFocus

  File "speech.pyc", line 357, in speakObject

  File "speech.pyc", line 273, in speakObjectProperties

  File "baseObject.pyc", line 34, in __get__

  File "baseObject.pyc", line 110, in _getPropertyViaCache

  File "NVDAObjects\JAB\__init__.pyc", line 243, in _get_keyboardShortcut

IndexError: invalid index

ERROR - eventHandler.executeEvent (10:01:12):

error executing event: gainFocus on <NVDAObjects.Dynamic_ClipboardCommandAnnouncementJAB object at 0x058B0370> with extra args of {}

Traceback (most recent call last):

  File "eventHandler.pyc", line 143, in executeEvent

  File "eventHandler.pyc", line 91, in __init__

  File "eventHandler.pyc", line 98, in next

  File "C:\Users\akkus\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\wintenApps\globalPlugins\wintenObjs\__init__.py", line 199, in event_gainFocus

  File "eventHandler.pyc", line 98, in next

  File "C:\Users\akkus\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\easyTableNavigator\globalPlugins\easyTableNavigator.py", line 82, in event_gainFocus

  File "eventHandler.pyc", line 98, in next

  File "C:\Users\akkus\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\remote\globalPlugins\remoteClient\__init__.py", line 410, in event_gainFocus

  File "eventHandler.pyc", line 98, in next

  File "C:\Users\akkus\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\NVDAExtensionGlobalPlugin\globalPlugins\NVDAExtensionGlobalPlugin\__init__.py", line 238, in event_gainFocus

  File "eventHandler.pyc", line 98, in next

  File "C:\Users\akkus\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\enhancedTouchGestures\globalPlugins\enhancedTouchGestures.py", line 86, in event_gainFocus

  File "eventHandler.pyc", line 98, in next

  File "NVDAObjects\JAB\__init__.pyc", line 527, in event_gainFocus

  File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 900, in event_gainFocus

  File "NVDAObjects\JAB\__init__.pyc", line 475, in reportFocus

  File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 812, in reportFocus

  File "speech.pyc", line 357, in speakObject

  File "speech.pyc", line 273, in speakObjectProperties

  File "baseObject.pyc", line 34, in __get__

  File "baseObject.pyc", line 110, in _getPropertyViaCache

  File "NVDAObjects\JAB\__init__.pyc", line 243, in _get_keyboardShortcut

IndexError: invalid index

 

Windows 10 için Posta ile gönderildi

 

Re: accessible antivirus

Brenda <bjnite@...>
 

Plese don't take this conversation off list.


I'm glad you shared this to the list.  It is very valuable to know accessible virus programs.  I don't see how this could be construed as advertising.


I have heard that Caspersky is now accessible once you can get it installed. If you do a google search for accessible virus programs with screen readers, etc, you should come upon an article by David goldfield about this.  After he had issues with Windows Defender not catching viruses he investigated and chose Caspersky.


I'm still hoping for more input from listers on antivirus programs that work well with NVDA and are highly rated in the sighted world or other folks experiences with Caspersky which is a good program.


thanks for sharing.

   

brenda


On 3/15/2017 4:56 AM, Felix G. wrote:
Hello,
the program is subscription-based, and there is a free 30 day test period.
It scans for viruses, worms and the like in addition to the wider definition of malware including adware and spyware.
Here is the link: http://www.emsisoft.com/en/software/antimalware/?id=14510978
So much in the interest of sharing. I think any follow-ups should be discussed off-list since this is going way off topic and may easily be construed as me running an ad campaign, which I am not. ;)
Kind regards,
Felix

Casey <cwollner@...> schrieb am Di., 14. März 2017 um 14:41 Uhr:
Hi where can you get this Emsisoft Antimalware from?
Also is it free or is there A charge for this program?
And how easy is it to set up and install?
Well it work with Jaws 18 as well?
 
 
 
From: Felix G.
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 3:52 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible antivirus
 
 
Hi!
I use Emsisoft Antimalware. It's fast, scans for potentially unwanted programs (such as adware) in addition to general malware like trojans and worms, and has, to my mind, the best behavior analysis around, spotting backdoors from how they behave even if the file itself is unknown, to provide just one example. This goes far beyond what is usually referred to as detection by heuristics. Accessibility-wise most things I need are in the tab order but I find myself resorting to flat review sometimes.
Greetings,
Felix
 
Chris <chrismedley@...> schrieb am Mo., 13. März 2017 um 21:25 Uhr:

Windows defender is already built into windows ten so you don’t need any other anti virus program

And its accessible

 

 



Casey

Re: Learning Programming

Juan Hernandez
 

Hmm, this is weird. I feel now more than any other time it is easiest to
learn how to program.

There are so many materials free and paid that you can use to learn to
program.

And believe me I know. I learned to program basic in the 80s, and that was
hard there was no real internet or anything like it. I had to have my
little brother read to me books, and I learned from that.


Best,

Juan Hernandez
Juanhernandez98@...
619-750-9431 (M) | 858-777-3311 (F)
My WebSite | Twitter | FaceBook | LinkedIn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Biblesoft 8288
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 8:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Learning Programming

Yes, it does seem that learning to program from scratch, at least for the
blind want to be programmer, is difficult to do. I've even started to look
at older books, written before the use of Tools became so wide
spread. But here I run into slight compatibility issues. The New
Code today is slightly different from the code used even 5 years ago.

I'll keep looking.

Dave

Re: Learning Programming

Biblesoft 8288 <biblesoftech8288@...>
 

Yes, it does seem that learning to program from scratch, at least for
the blind want to be programmer, is difficult to do. I've even started
to look at older books, written before the use of Tools became so wide
spread. But here I run into slight compatibility issues. The New
Code today is slightly different from the code used even 5 years ago.

I'll keep looking.

Dave

Re: accessible antivirus

Michael Capelle <mcapelle@...>
 

please feel to carry this topic over to the blind tech list.
to join, send a blank messsage to:
blindtech+subscribe@groups.io
 

From: Felix G.
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 3:56 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible antivirus
 
Hello,
the program is subscription-based, and there is a free 30 day test period.
It scans for viruses, worms and the like in addition to the wider definition of malware including adware and spyware.
Here is the link: http://www.emsisoft.com/en/software/antimalware/?id=14510978
So much in the interest of sharing. I think any follow-ups should be discussed off-list since this is going way off topic and may easily be construed as me running an ad campaign, which I am not. ;)
Kind regards,
Felix
 
Casey <cwollner@...> schrieb am Di., 14. März 2017 um 14:41 Uhr:
Hi where can you get this Emsisoft Antimalware from?
Also is it free or is there A charge for this program?
And how easy is it to set up and install?
Well it work with Jaws 18 as well?
 
 
 
From: Felix G.
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 3:52 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible antivirus
 
 
Hi!
I use Emsisoft Antimalware. It's fast, scans for potentially unwanted programs (such as adware) in addition to general malware like trojans and worms, and has, to my mind, the best behavior analysis around, spotting backdoors from how they behave even if the file itself is unknown, to provide just one example. This goes far beyond what is usually referred to as detection by heuristics. Accessibility-wise most things I need are in the tab order but I find myself resorting to flat review sometimes.
Greetings,
Felix
 
Chris <chrismedley@...> schrieb am Mo., 13. März 2017 um 21:25 Uhr:

Windows defender is already built into windows ten so you don’t need any other anti virus program

And its accessible

 

 



Casey

Re: accessible antivirus

Felix G.
 

Hello,
the program is subscription-based, and there is a free 30 day test period.
It scans for viruses, worms and the like in addition to the wider definition of malware including adware and spyware.
Here is the link: http://www.emsisoft.com/en/software/antimalware/?id=14510978
So much in the interest of sharing. I think any follow-ups should be discussed off-list since this is going way off topic and may easily be construed as me running an ad campaign, which I am not. ;)
Kind regards,
Felix

Casey <cwollner@...> schrieb am Di., 14. März 2017 um 14:41 Uhr:

Hi where can you get this Emsisoft Antimalware from?
Also is it free or is there A charge for this program?
And how easy is it to set up and install?
Well it work with Jaws 18 as well?
 
 
 
From: Felix G.
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 3:52 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible antivirus
 
 
Hi!
I use Emsisoft Antimalware. It's fast, scans for potentially unwanted programs (such as adware) in addition to general malware like trojans and worms, and has, to my mind, the best behavior analysis around, spotting backdoors from how they behave even if the file itself is unknown, to provide just one example. This goes far beyond what is usually referred to as detection by heuristics. Accessibility-wise most things I need are in the tab order but I find myself resorting to flat review sometimes.
Greetings,
Felix
 
Chris <chrismedley@...> schrieb am Mo., 13. März 2017 um 21:25 Uhr:

Windows defender is already built into windows ten so you don’t need any other anti virus program

And its accessible

 

 



Casey

problem is java acces brich

Olcay AŞCI
 

Hio

 

I'm getting a constant error in Java applications. applications NVDA is reading, but there is an error in the log record and an error sound is played.

 

My nvda version:

next-13911,3c8e30bd

My log:

 

INFO - __main__ (10:00:55):

Starting NVDA

INFO - core.main (10:00:56):

Config dir: C:\Users\akkus\AppData\Roaming\nvda

INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (10:00:56):

Loading config: C:\Users\akkus\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini

INFO - core.main (10:00:56):

NVDA version next-13911,3c8e30bd

INFO - core.main (10:00:56):

Using Windows version 10.0.15055 workstation

INFO - core.main (10:00:56):

Using Python version 2.7.13 (v2.7.13:a06454b1afa1, Dec 17 2016, 20:42:59) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]

INFO - core.main (10:00:56):

Using comtypes version 0.6.2

INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (10:00:57):

Loaded synthDriver vocalizer_expressive

INFO - core.main (10:00:57):

Using wx version 3.0.2.0 msw (classic)

INFO - brailleInput.initialize (10:00:57):

Braille input initialized

INFO - braille.initialize (10:00:57):

Using liblouis version 3.0.0

INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (10:00:57):

Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.

INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (10:00:57):

UIAutomation: IUIAutomation3

DEBUGWARNING - touchHandler.initialize (10:00:57):

No touch devices found

INFO - external:globalPlugins.NVDAExtensionGlobalPlugin.GlobalPlugin.__init__ (10:00:59):

Loaded NVDAExtensionGlobalPlugin version 6.0

INFO - core.main (10:01:01):

NVDA initialized

ERROR - queueHandler.flushQueue (10:01:10):

Error in func event_stateChange from JABHandler.internalFunctionQueue

Traceback (most recent call last):

  File "queueHandler.pyc", line 50, in flushQueue

  File "JABHandler.pyc", line 620, in event_stateChange

  File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 70, in __call__

  File "NVDAObjects\JAB\__init__.pyc", line 217, in __init__

  File "NVDAObjects\window\__init__.pyc", line 166, in __init__

ValueError: invalid or not specified window handle

ERROR - eventHandler.executeEvent (10:01:10):

error executing event: gainFocus on <NVDAObjects.Dynamic_ClipboardCommandAnnouncementJAB object at 0x058B0110> with extra args of {}

Traceback (most recent call last):

  File "eventHandler.pyc", line 143, in executeEvent

  File "eventHandler.pyc", line 91, in __init__

  File "eventHandler.pyc", line 98, in next

  File "C:\Users\akkus\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\wintenApps\globalPlugins\wintenObjs\__init__.py", line 199, in event_gainFocus

  File "eventHandler.pyc", line 98, in next

  File "C:\Users\akkus\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\easyTableNavigator\globalPlugins\easyTableNavigator.py", line 82, in event_gainFocus

  File "eventHandler.pyc", line 98, in next

  File "C:\Users\akkus\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\remote\globalPlugins\remoteClient\__init__.py", line 410, in event_gainFocus

  File "eventHandler.pyc", line 98, in next

  File "C:\Users\akkus\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\NVDAExtensionGlobalPlugin\globalPlugins\NVDAExtensionGlobalPlugin\__init__.py", line 238, in event_gainFocus

  File "eventHandler.pyc", line 98, in next

  File "C:\Users\akkus\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\enhancedTouchGestures\globalPlugins\enhancedTouchGestures.py", line 86, in event_gainFocus

  File "eventHandler.pyc", line 98, in next

  File "NVDAObjects\JAB\__init__.pyc", line 527, in event_gainFocus

  File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 900, in event_gainFocus

  File "NVDAObjects\JAB\__init__.pyc", line 475, in reportFocus

  File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 812, in reportFocus

  File "speech.pyc", line 357, in speakObject

  File "speech.pyc", line 273, in speakObjectProperties

  File "baseObject.pyc", line 34, in __get__

  File "baseObject.pyc", line 110, in _getPropertyViaCache

  File "NVDAObjects\JAB\__init__.pyc", line 243, in _get_keyboardShortcut

IndexError: invalid index

ERROR - eventHandler.executeEvent (10:01:12):

error executing event: gainFocus on <NVDAObjects.Dynamic_ClipboardCommandAnnouncementJAB object at 0x058B0370> with extra args of {}

Traceback (most recent call last):

  File "eventHandler.pyc", line 143, in executeEvent

  File "eventHandler.pyc", line 91, in __init__

  File "eventHandler.pyc", line 98, in next

  File "C:\Users\akkus\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\wintenApps\globalPlugins\wintenObjs\__init__.py", line 199, in event_gainFocus

  File "eventHandler.pyc", line 98, in next

  File "C:\Users\akkus\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\easyTableNavigator\globalPlugins\easyTableNavigator.py", line 82, in event_gainFocus

  File "eventHandler.pyc", line 98, in next

  File "C:\Users\akkus\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\remote\globalPlugins\remoteClient\__init__.py", line 410, in event_gainFocus

  File "eventHandler.pyc", line 98, in next

  File "C:\Users\akkus\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\NVDAExtensionGlobalPlugin\globalPlugins\NVDAExtensionGlobalPlugin\__init__.py", line 238, in event_gainFocus

  File "eventHandler.pyc", line 98, in next

  File "C:\Users\akkus\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\enhancedTouchGestures\globalPlugins\enhancedTouchGestures.py", line 86, in event_gainFocus

  File "eventHandler.pyc", line 98, in next

  File "NVDAObjects\JAB\__init__.pyc", line 527, in event_gainFocus

  File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 900, in event_gainFocus

  File "NVDAObjects\JAB\__init__.pyc", line 475, in reportFocus

  File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 812, in reportFocus

  File "speech.pyc", line 357, in speakObject

  File "speech.pyc", line 273, in speakObjectProperties

  File "baseObject.pyc", line 34, in __get__

  File "baseObject.pyc", line 110, in _getPropertyViaCache

  File "NVDAObjects\JAB\__init__.pyc", line 243, in _get_keyboardShortcut

IndexError: invalid index

 

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Re: Using the physical mouse with NVDA on some inaccessible Internet controls

Gene
 

I looked at the page and I see what you are talking about.  I see that there are links that actually tell you what they will play and there are many links that NVDA reads as question mark link.  I'm not sure what they do.  Some of them appear to play the same things as the links with text and some do odd things like open the file menu in Firefox when I click on them but I don't remember if I used the NVDA mouse click or clicked in some other way.  But I can play what I want to play by using the links with readable text. 
 
I'm not sure if the links work properly.  I may have to turn browse mode off, tab to the link I want, and press enter.  I haven't played with the links enough yet to know if that is the case but it's interesting how the page is laid out.  The links are so far away from the text that discusses them and there are all those question mark links.  I didn't look at them before or not with any real attention.  Also, to make matters more confusing, the links say list before they say what they go to.  Whatever I may have heard when I was looking at the page before, they are so unexpected in what they say and in their position that if I did come across them, I paid no real attention, as I said. 
 
This has been very interesting and it has showed me that at times, I need to look for really improbable positions of links and for content that may sound like something else without paying closer attention than might be paid because of their unintuitiveness.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 9:03 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using the physical mouse with NVDA on some inaccessible Internet controls

Are you saying that I can move with the keyboard and just hear link, link, etc. or won't I hear anything because they are skipped when using the keyboard?
 
I'll take a look at the page again.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 8:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using the physical mouse with NVDA on some inaccessible Internet controls

Gene,

          There are a series of controls for listening, all of which NVDA announces as "Link", that are on this page following the sound cloud link.  It's very odd how they're traversed as well with the focus highlight add-on active (which helps me out a lot).  I can get the play button (which is actually a link, announced as link) to play the selection once I know I'm on the control, and it will pause it as well, and I can do this with space bar acting as play/pause toggle when on this control.

           I did not bring up the list of elements with links listed to see if I can make sense of how these are actually structured and how that equates to what I'm seeing visually when doing a brute force tab through.  In any case it's clear that this part of that webpage is not at all designed with accessibility in mind while it's absolutely obvious to anyone who can see just precisely how to make various selections play/pause with mouse clicks.  Since these don't have any meaningful help text or labels associated with them they're effectively inscrutable unless you are able to see.
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Re: Using the physical mouse with NVDA on some inaccessible Internet controls

Gene
 

Are you saying that I can move with the keyboard and just hear link, link, etc. or won't I hear anything because they are skipped when using the keyboard?
 
I'll take a look at the page again.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 8:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using the physical mouse with NVDA on some inaccessible Internet controls

Gene,

          There are a series of controls for listening, all of which NVDA announces as "Link", that are on this page following the sound cloud link.  It's very odd how they're traversed as well with the focus highlight add-on active (which helps me out a lot).  I can get the play button (which is actually a link, announced as link) to play the selection once I know I'm on the control, and it will pause it as well, and I can do this with space bar acting as play/pause toggle when on this control.

           I did not bring up the list of elements with links listed to see if I can make sense of how these are actually structured and how that equates to what I'm seeing visually when doing a brute force tab through.  In any case it's clear that this part of that webpage is not at all designed with accessibility in mind while it's absolutely obvious to anyone who can see just precisely how to make various selections play/pause with mouse clicks.  Since these don't have any meaningful help text or labels associated with them they're effectively inscrutable unless you are able to see.
--
Brian

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nvda friendly alarm clock app for windows

Tony James <megatronjames@...>
 

Hi, is there an accessible alarm clock type program for win7> I just
tried to use win task scheduler but gave up because the time and date
settings refused to stay at the values I wanted and because it was
such a pain to get them set in the first place. thx

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Re: Using the physical mouse with NVDA on some inaccessible Internet controls

 

Gene,

          There are a series of controls for listening, all of which NVDA announces as "Link", that are on this page following the sound cloud link.  It's very odd how they're traversed as well with the focus highlight add-on active (which helps me out a lot).  I can get the play button (which is actually a link, announced as link) to play the selection once I know I'm on the control, and it will pause it as well, and I can do this with space bar acting as play/pause toggle when on this control.

           I did not bring up the list of elements with links listed to see if I can make sense of how these are actually structured and how that equates to what I'm seeing visually when doing a brute force tab through.  In any case it's clear that this part of that webpage is not at all designed with accessibility in mind while it's absolutely obvious to anyone who can see just precisely how to make various selections play/pause with mouse clicks.  Since these don't have any meaningful help text or labels associated with them they're effectively inscrutable unless you are able to see.
--
Brian

    I don't find an uninformed hatred a "principled position" that I need to respect in any way.

        ~ Ellen Evans, soc.motss, 11/6/2004


For Windows 10 users: audio ducking/always duck options makes a comeback in a future version of NVDA

 

Hi Windows 10 users,

 

As Microsoft restored audio ducking routines in recent Insider builds, audio ducking/always duck option will make a comeback in a future version of NVDA. Thus, you can use this option in the upcoming Creators Update.

Cheers,

Joseph

Re: Learning Programming

Alexander Masic
 

Now A days kindle is very accessible vith NVDA, so you may purchase something from There. In swedish there are many good turorials in HTML. is even is usefull as a blind, However a mayority today does not code by hand when making website. They are using tools. So that may be reason why you never find so mutch learning site about html.

I'M also looking for good books wich explayn and learn out programelanguage from absolut scratch. Those i have been looking for is for scools and require support from teacher.




Den 2017-03-15 kl. 01:24, skrev Biblesoft 8288:

I am wanting to learn HTML5as well as a Compiled language.

I am looking for Books that takes the New to Programming person from the
very first Starting point, to at least a level to be able to maybe at
least understand what my Boss is attempting to do on her Web Site. I
am not thinking I am going to work through one Book and be a Crack HTML5
Code Demon.

So far, I have attempted to learn from On Line Tutorials, but these are
always a Video, which gives a lot of info, but ther is always something
the sighted can see, that I miss, and my code doesn't work.

I have downloaded code examples and have been able to see where I was
wrong, but not always.

I am sure some of you here might do some programming and have gone
through the junk of finding truly useful resources to learn what needs
to be learned.

My Boss would also like me to see if I could learn to write an Install
program for their software their Company produces.

I have to laugh, but this is the spot I find myself. AM not exactly a
Newby, and yet, I am.

So, anyone use any Books in a form I can read on the Computer?
If so, would you tell me the Titles and where you obtained them.

Thanks for any help,

Dave



Re: Using the physical mouse with NVDA on some inaccessible Internet controls

Gene
 

I was looking around and I found a Sound Cloud link on the page.  I found the material there and Sound Cloud is accessible.  But is there a way to play the material directly from the web page I linked to?  It looks as though there should be.  But we'll see.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 7:16 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using the physical mouse with NVDA on some inaccessible Internet controls

I used to know a site that had this problem.  The site has changed and now there isn't even an unuseable embedded object as far as I can tell.  There appear to be no accessible or inaccessible controls for listening visible to a screen-reader.  Does this link lead to a page where you can play something?  I doubt that exploring the page using NVDA and a physical mouse would show anything useful but here's the link if you want to experiment.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using the physical mouse with NVDA on some inaccessible Internet controls

Gene,

         If you can toss me some specific examples of the flash issue you're describing I can play around with it to see what I can determine.
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    I don't find an uninformed hatred a "principled position" that I need to respect in any way.

        ~ Ellen Evans, soc.motss, 11/6/2004