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Re: Braille, how many use it?

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Yes too many cooks I feel. The only way forward I think is to buy it on the never never and hope to get a grant toward it when all the pen pushers have got their acts together.


Everyone is frustrated, its the English way.
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From: "Damien Sykes-Lindley" <damien@dcpendleton.plus.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2017 3:06 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Braille, how many use it?


Hi,
I don't see anyone saying that we should give up braille for technology. That seemed to happen naturally in my case because I had no need to read it, so I never did. Only recently when trying to play a game I realised just how screwed my braille skills actually are.
In fact, I totally agree that braille would be better in some areas of work, programming and large calculations being two such areas. On the other hand, try asking for a disability/assistive technology grant over here and see if you can break the record for the longest fight and largest number of letdowns... I've just about given up hope on both the government and the RNIB. Bleh.
Cheers.
Damien.
-----Original Message-----
From: Nevzat Adil
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2017 2:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Braille, how many use it?

Braille is as important to a blind person as print is to someone who
can see. I do not see any sighted person saying they should give up
print because of technology. I am glad NVDA developers are working on
making it braille friendly. The fact that braille displays are too
expensive should not discourage learning braille as prices are bound
to come down and many get those devices the government or private
programs, anyway.

On 10/3/17, Robert Mendoza <lowvisiontek@gmail.com> wrote:
Lucky of those who has a braille display, cause here it is very
expensive and you need to buy it online or rather to pre-order to the
selected store. So I simply used the ordinary keyboard.

Robert Mendoza

On 10/3/2017 5:41 AM, Adriani Botez wrote:
In Germany they are also bein paid by ministery of labor or by the health
insurance company. And very often is being individually judged if the
person
gets the device paid or not. It depends on the time period since last
payment or on how well tested is the technical features of the device.


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I agree. Luckily, the National Health Service here in Italy gives us
braille
displays, either totally paid by the National Health Service itself, or
partly - depending on the cost of the device.


I used an Optacon before the advent of braille displays, and still do,
but
on paper and ereaders; no longer on a pc screen, due to uncomfortable
position of my workstation.


I couldn't live without braille! I switched to NVDA only once braille
support was introduced.

Ciao,

Ollie





Il 03/10/2017 13:41, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io ha scritto:
Tis is just a question. I see a lot of work going on on the
development front to make these displays and the entering of the code
more intuitive and better.
I just wondered how many folk here can afford to use a Braille display
on their machines? Since the promised Orbit seems to be having issues
getting out of the factory, most of the other choices out there need
a second mortgage to buy them!

Just musing that was all.
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Re: Braille, how many use it?

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That was what made me make the post. Nobody in the UK can get them, its been soon for about three years now.
RNIB could not get a straight answer, though some prototypes are in the hands of some people apparently reliability of these is less than good, but then they are prototypes and the software is still dumb by comparison to a big expensive one.
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From: "Adriani Botez" <adriani.botez@gmail.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2017 2:43 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Braille, how many use it?


How about orbit reader? It is the cheapest braille display. Did they manage
to start shipping?


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An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
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Braille displays are indeed very expensive to buy new, but they remain
manufactured and available because the majority of purchases are by
employers or government education departments who are required to provide
funding for disabled people under many countries' anti-discrimination laws.

That said, I have had good success buying second-hand displays on eBay,
because no employer or education funder will consider supplying a
second-hand device, but they can still be passed on in a good working
condition after someone leaves their job or comes to the end of their
training.

I do wish lower-cost new Braille displays were available, but so long as the
majority of the customers are organisations which can afford them and don't
question the price, they will continue to pay current prices for them in
just the same way as they pay for Jaws licences, instead of funding the
development of NVDA and then getting as many copies as they like for free
afterwards.


Antony.

On Tuesday 03 October 2017 at 15:14:41, Damien Sykes-Lindley wrote:

Hi,
Braille displays are super expensive. So expensive, in fact, that I'm
surprised they're still on the market!
As for me, very naughty me, especially being total, I haven't touched
Braille in ten years. Consequently, I've forgotten most of it! I'm a
speech user all the way.
Cheers.
Damien.
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Nutt
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2017 2:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Braille, how many use it?

Hi,

I wouldn't be without Braille personally. You can only tell so much
with speech, unless you turn on formatting and all that jazz.

All the best

Steve

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Subject: [nvda] Braille, how many use it?

Tis is just a question. I see a lot of work going on on the
development front to make these displays and the entering of the code
more intuitive and better.
I just wondered how many folk here can afford to use a Braille display
on their machines? Since the promised Orbit seems to be having issues
getting out of the factory, most of the other choices out there need
a second mortgage to buy them!

Just musing that was all.
Brian
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Re: Braille, how many use it?

 

I agree with speech, 120-140 is what I concidder reasonable for me.

At school I could listen at 200-300wpm, but I had to it wasn't comfortable and I know others that can listen much faster.

For me though I don't need speed being a contract tech in fact the slower the better.

On 4/10/2017 8:38 a.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
The Lbraille maybe? Much of my problem with displays is that I find them a bit too gentle for my older fingers to feel and as many do not have line lengths representative of a real print document it can be an ask to actually understand the formatting. I use speech but I cannot listen at the rate some do it at. I do wish when you get a demo on a podcast that they would slow the speech down so we do not feel like its the end of one of those radio commercials with terms and conditions garbled at huge speeds!
I also note this thread has taken of, but all I was really tiring to do was to find out whether the work going on reflected the general need out there or in fact reflected the need of the few with loud voices., and I don't mean to make people annoyed by this comment. To me getting some other software like Libra Office would be a better use of developer time than Braille, but as I say, everyone will have an angle on priorities I guess.
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Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2017 1:19 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Braille, how many use it?


I used to have a braille disply during my studies and that was really nice
because I had to work with LateX for mathematical content. But also because
sometimes I just wanted to lean back and lern for exams without seating in
front of a machine. But now for my work I am much faster with a screen
reader and in fact I have discovered that I can learn much more in a short
time than I could with a braille display. It is because I use the speech
rate at a quite high level. But I would really be interested in a good
developed multi line braille disply, say like 16 lines or so. That could
display much more braile at once and could show up document structures or
even grafics. So I follow the developments in this sector hoping that there
will be a realistic solution for that anytime.


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Betreff: [nvda] Braille, how many use it?

Tis is just a question. I see a lot of work going on on the development
front to make these displays and the entering of the code more intuitive and
better.
I just wondered how many folk here can afford to use a Braille display on
their machines? Since the promised Orbit seems to be having issues getting
out  of the factory, most of the other choices out there need a second
mortgage to buy them!

Just musing that was all.
Brian

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Re: Braille, how many use it?

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Its just that ever since I can remember the prices have supposedly been coming down. Good luck with that one.

I think for children who are blind, yes I agree, but for us ex sighted its not so simple any more.
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From: "Nevzat Adil" <nevzatadil@gmail.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2017 2:29 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Braille, how many use it?


Braille is as important to a blind person as print is to someone who
can see. I do not see any sighted person saying they should give up
print because of technology. I am glad NVDA developers are working on
making it braille friendly. The fact that braille displays are too
expensive should not discourage learning braille as prices are bound
to come down and many get those devices the government or private
programs, anyway.

On 10/3/17, Robert Mendoza <lowvisiontek@gmail.com> wrote:
Lucky of those who has a braille display, cause here it is very
expensive and you need to buy it online or rather to pre-order to the
selected store. So I simply used the ordinary keyboard.

Robert Mendoza

On 10/3/2017 5:41 AM, Adriani Botez wrote:
In Germany they are also bein paid by ministery of labor or by the health
insurance company. And very often is being individually judged if the
person
gets the device paid or not. It depends on the time period since last
payment or on how well tested is the technical features of the device.


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An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] Braille, how many use it?

I agree. Luckily, the National Health Service here in Italy gives us
braille
displays, either totally paid by the National Health Service itself, or
partly - depending on the cost of the device.


I used an Optacon before the advent of braille displays, and still do,
but
on paper and ereaders; no longer on a pc screen, due to uncomfortable
position of my workstation.


I couldn't live without braille! I switched to NVDA only once braille
support was introduced.

Ciao,

Ollie





Il 03/10/2017 13:41, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io ha scritto:
Tis is just a question. I see a lot of work going on on the
development front to make these displays and the entering of the code
more intuitive and better.
I just wondered how many folk here can afford to use a Braille display
on their machines? Since the promised Orbit seems to be having issues
getting out of the factory, most of the other choices out there need
a second mortgage to buy them!

Just musing that was all.
Brian

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Re: Braille, how many use it?

 

I agree, manual braille is a dog to type at any real speed.

I never read that fast and my hands got sore from reading, the computer is much better.

Braille is outdated now.

I wouldn't want us to stop learning it but we need to upgrade braille completely because its not been fully modernised.

On 4/10/2017 7:23 a.m., erik burggraaf wrote:
Hi Gene,

As a child, my experience was similar to yours.  I found braille slow and uncomfortable.  I was a one handed braille reader which slowed me down further.

As an adult, I'm very greatful for my braille skills such as they are, and refreshable braille I find much more comfortable than paper braille.

The evidence to support the use of braille as a direct visual medium for the blind has been dresearched, ocumented, and pretty well quantified.  We can always do more to understand the brain, but numerous studies measuring cortexes of blind people in verious situations overwelmingly shows that the visual cortex of people who are blind of all ages and regardless of whether they began sighted or blind  reacts to braille in the same way that that of a sighted person does to print.

The scholarly articles on this abound, but they don't make for great reading unless you're a nuroscientist.  Start with this overview.
https://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/brail.html

It's a science article for kids, but it's professionally written, won't insult your inteligence, and makes for more interesting reading than articles from medical and scientific journals.  A lot of the scholarly writings came up for me in a search of "braille visual cortex".  Of course, most of the older ones are at the top, probably because they are sited more often.  Even the abstracts are a snore, but they are all pretty clear that braille has a direct impact on nural vision centres.

Enjoy,

Erik



On October 3, 2017 12:25:17 PM "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:

It is a good idea for people who are blinded as adults to learn enough Braille, grade one, to be specific, to label things and organize things.  Children should learn Braille just as sighted children learn print.  But I am unconvinced that the argument that Braille is just like print in terms of everyone who is blind learning it.  That is not a proper analogy.

For one thing, and I haven't seen any research on this but, despite what Braille proponents say, I remain unconvinced that Braille is nearly as good a medium as speech for many blind people in terms of ongoing general use.  I was always annoyingly slow at reading Braille.  Even in my early adult years, I learned Braille as a child, and in my early adult years, I would read about 300 Braille pages a month, I never got faster than about between 180 and 200 words a minute.  Considering that I can listen to speech at between 350 and 400 words a minute with good comprehension, the contrast in efficiency is obvious.  And why didn't my speed increase over time, reading as much Braille as I did for about ten years?  Why do so many blind people I hear read Braille read only about as fast as they speak, resulting in pauses and stumbling over words as they read?

Some people can read Braille very quickly.  My observations and experience cause me to be skeptical that most blind people read faster than about 180 or 200 words per minute. I'm talking about people who learn to read Braille as children at the age sighted children learn to read print.

And reading Braille was always more work and more tiring and fatiguing for me than listening to speech, a lot more so.  Yet I have been innundated with the you should read Braille and with the implied message that if I don't, I am somehow using an inferior medium.  If that's true, then let's get substantive information, real studies of some sort showing that I am wrong in my observations.

I said earlier that blind children should learn Braille and they should.  They should use it in school, at least in grammar school so they learn proper spelling, punctuation, and learn to distinguish between words that sound similar or alike and mean different things and are spelled differently.  How many times have I seen blind people write wander instead of wonder?  Just one example.

And obviously, Braille is of vital importance in technical fields.  But the general assumption that Braille is better for blind people as an unqualified generalization for daily and general use, has not been demonstrated to be correct in my observations and experience.

We are blind and, like it or not, being blind means that the analogical equivalent to something sighted people do, Braille to print, is not necessarily better or as good as a specifically blind oriented solution for many uses.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Damien Sykes-Lindley
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2017 9:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Braille, how many use it?


Hi,
I don't see anyone saying that we should give up braille for technology.
That seemed to happen naturally in my case because I had no need to read it,
so I never did. Only recently when trying to play a game I realised just how
screwed my braille skills actually are.
In fact, I totally agree that braille would be better in some areas of work,
programming and large calculations being two such areas. On the other hand,
try asking for a disability/assistive technology grant over here and see if
you can break the record for the longest fight and largest number of
letdowns... I've just about given up hope on both the government and the
RNIB. Bleh.
Cheers.
Damien.
-----Original Message-----
From: Nevzat Adil
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2017 2:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Braille, how many use it?

Braille is as important to a blind person as print is to someone who
can see. I do not see any sighted person saying they should give up
print because of technology. I am glad NVDA developers are working on
making it braille friendly. The fact that braille displays are too
expensive should not discourage learning braille as prices are bound
to come down and many get those devices the government or private
programs, anyway.

On 10/3/17, Robert Mendoza <lowvisiontek@gmail.com> wrote:
Lucky of those who has a braille display, cause here it is very
expensive and you need to buy it online or rather to pre-order to the
selected store. So I simply used the ordinary keyboard.

Robert Mendoza

On 10/3/2017 5:41 AM, Adriani Botez wrote:
In Germany they are also bein paid by ministery of labor or by the health
insurance company. And very often is being individually judged if the
person
gets the device paid or not. It depends on the time period since last
payment or on how well tested is the technical features of the device.


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Mallard
Gesendet: Dienstag, 3. Oktober 2017 14:35
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] Braille, how many use it?

I agree. Luckily, the National Health Service here in Italy gives us
braille
displays, either totally paid by the National Health Service itself, or
partly - depending on the cost of the device.


I used an Optacon before the advent of braille displays, and still do,
but
on paper and ereaders; no longer on a pc screen, due to uncomfortable
position of my workstation.


I couldn't live without braille! I switched to NVDA only once braille
support was introduced.

Ciao,

Ollie





Il 03/10/2017 13:41, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io ha scritto:
Tis is just a question. I see a lot of work going on on the
development front to make these displays and the entering of the code
more intuitive and better.
I just wondered how many folk here can afford to use a Braille display
on their machines? Since the promised Orbit seems to be having issues
getting out  of the factory, most of the other choices out there need
a second mortgage to buy them!

Just musing that was all.
Brian

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Re: Braille, how many use it?

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Of course the old Perkins machine were very good at making six strong fingers!

Grin.

Off course we used to have a printer and a lot of deaf people in the office as a result!
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Mendoza" <lowvisiontek@gmail.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2017 5:19 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Braille, how many use it?


Lucky of those who has a braille display, cause here it is very expensive and you need to buy it online or rather to pre-order to the selected store. So I simply used the ordinary keyboard.

Robert Mendoza

On 10/3/2017 5:41 AM, Adriani Botez wrote:
In Germany they are also bein paid by ministery of labor or by the health
insurance company. And very often is being individually judged if the person
gets the device paid or not. It depends on the time period since last
payment or on how well tested is the technical features of the device.


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An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] Braille, how many use it?

I agree. Luckily, the National Health Service here in Italy gives us braille
displays, either totally paid by the National Health Service itself, or
partly - depending on the cost of the device.


I used an Optacon before the advent of braille displays, and still do, but
on paper and ereaders; no longer on a pc screen, due to uncomfortable
position of my workstation.


I couldn't live without braille! I switched to NVDA only once braille
support was introduced.

Ciao,

Ollie





Il 03/10/2017 13:41, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io ha scritto:
Tis is just a question. I see a lot of work going on on the
development front to make these displays and the entering of the code
more intuitive and better.
I just wondered how many folk here can afford to use a Braille display
on their machines? Since the promised Orbit seems to be having issues
getting out of the factory, most of the other choices out there need
a second mortgage to buy them!

Just musing that was all.
Brian

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Re: Braille, how many use it?

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Here you have to be in paid work before you get evaluated, but you cannot often get work without it so its that old catch 22 situation, and then they wonder why so many blind people do not have jobs.
I'm retired actually being 67 this year. I guess if I read Braille well then I'd want one but I learned late in life and its a lot harder to become proficient and I manly use it for labels these days.
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Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2017 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Braille, how many use it?


In Germany they are also bein paid by ministery of labor or by the health
insurance company. And very often is being individually judged if the person
gets the device paid or not. It depends on the time period since last
payment or on how well tested is the technical features of the device.


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An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] Braille, how many use it?

I agree. Luckily, the National Health Service here in Italy gives us braille
displays, either totally paid by the National Health Service itself, or
partly - depending on the cost of the device.


I used an Optacon before the advent of braille displays, and still do, but
on paper and ereaders; no longer on a pc screen, due to uncomfortable
position of my workstation.


I couldn't live without braille! I switched to NVDA only once braille
support was introduced.

Ciao,

Ollie





Il 03/10/2017 13:41, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io ha scritto:
Tis is just a question. I see a lot of work going on on the
development front to make these displays and the entering of the code
more intuitive and better.
I just wondered how many folk here can afford to use a Braille display
on their machines? Since the promised Orbit seems to be having issues
getting out of the factory, most of the other choices out there need
a second mortgage to buy them!

Just musing that was all.
Brian

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Re: Braille, how many use it?

Mohammadreza Rashad
 

Braille is the literacy of blind people. I know of blind
weblog/website owners that have terrible spelling errors in their
writings, just because they have learnt words by listening, not by
Braille.

--
Best wishes,
Mohammadreza Rashad


Re: Braille, how many use it?

 

True, we need to learn braille.

We also need a clunky braille device with us and maybe some paper.

For when the apocolipse comes, I never mentioned we shouldn't learn braille.

However, fact is, still getting access to what it means to use it in a regular setting.

While I would read a book, taking a braille book away with me, not happening not in paper form anyway.

On 4/10/2017 3:23 a.m., Adriani Botez wrote:
It makes sense anyhow to learn braille and to maintain the ability to read it. We should stay independent. Think about what would happen if there is a massive earth quake in your area and you don't get internet or even electricity for weeks. You still need an alternative way to communicate with others, at least with other blind or visually impaired people by sending a telegram or a letter in braille.

At the same time, I wish to see kind of improvements on this alphabeth. I mean, are there any experiments including optimization of letter size or so? Maybe another type of braille which can be printed on thiner paper or kind of smaller points to win more place on a page? That would be actually amazing. I mean at least people who already learned braille could certainly adapt to smaller letters. There are abreviations though, but they are different from language to language which is quite annoying in my view, especially for new braillers.

Best
Adriani




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Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Im Auftrag von Damien Sykes-Lindley
Gesendet: Dienstag, 3. Oktober 2017 16:06
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] Braille, how many use it?

Hi,
I don't see anyone saying that we should give up braille for technology.
That seemed to happen naturally in my case because I had no need to read it, so I never did. Only recently when trying to play a game I realised just how screwed my braille skills actually are.
In fact, I totally agree that braille would be better in some areas of work, programming and large calculations being two such areas. On the other hand, try asking for a disability/assistive technology grant over here and see if you can break the record for the longest fight and largest number of letdowns... I've just about given up hope on both the government and the RNIB. Bleh.
Cheers.
Damien.
-----Original Message-----
From: Nevzat Adil
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2017 2:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Braille, how many use it?

Braille is as important to a blind person as print is to someone who can see. I do not see any sighted person saying they should give up print because of technology. I am glad NVDA developers are working on making it braille friendly. The fact that braille displays are too expensive should not discourage learning braille as prices are bound to come down and many get those devices the government or private programs, anyway.

On 10/3/17, Robert Mendoza <lowvisiontek@gmail.com> wrote:
Lucky of those who has a braille display, cause here it is very
expensive and you need to buy it online or rather to pre-order to the
selected store. So I simply used the ordinary keyboard.

Robert Mendoza

On 10/3/2017 5:41 AM, Adriani Botez wrote:
In Germany they are also bein paid by ministery of labor or by the
health insurance company. And very often is being individually judged
if the person gets the device paid or not. It depends on the time
period since last payment or on how well tested is the technical
features of the device.


-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Im Auftrag von
Mallard
Gesendet: Dienstag, 3. Oktober 2017 14:35
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] Braille, how many use it?

I agree. Luckily, the National Health Service here in Italy gives us
braille displays, either totally paid by the National Health Service
itself, or partly - depending on the cost of the device.


I used an Optacon before the advent of braille displays, and still
do, but on paper and ereaders; no longer on a pc screen, due to
uncomfortable position of my workstation.


I couldn't live without braille! I switched to NVDA only once braille
support was introduced.

Ciao,

Ollie





Il 03/10/2017 13:41, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io ha scritto:
Tis is just a question. I see a lot of work going on on the
development front to make these displays and the entering of the
code more intuitive and better.
I just wondered how many folk here can afford to use a Braille
display on their machines? Since the promised Orbit seems to be
having issues getting out of the factory, most of the other choices
out there need a second mortgage to buy them!

Just musing that was all.
Brian

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Re: Braille, how many use it?

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The Lbraille maybe? Much of my problem with displays is that I find them a bit too gentle for my older fingers to feel and as many do not have line lengths representative of a real print document it can be an ask to actually understand the formatting. I use speech but I cannot listen at the rate some do it at. I do wish when you get a demo on a podcast that they would slow the speech down so we do not feel like its the end of one of those radio commercials with terms and conditions garbled at huge speeds!
I also note this thread has taken of, but all I was really tiring to do was to find out whether the work going on reflected the general need out there or in fact reflected the need of the few with loud voices., and I don't mean to make people annoyed by this comment. To me getting some other software like Libra Office would be a better use of developer time than Braille, but as I say, everyone will have an angle on priorities I guess.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Adriani Botez" <adriani.botez@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2017 1:19 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Braille, how many use it?


I used to have a braille disply during my studies and that was really nice
because I had to work with LateX for mathematical content. But also because
sometimes I just wanted to lean back and lern for exams without seating in
front of a machine. But now for my work I am much faster with a screen
reader and in fact I have discovered that I can learn much more in a short
time than I could with a braille display. It is because I use the speech
rate at a quite high level. But I would really be interested in a good
developed multi line braille disply, say like 16 lines or so. That could
display much more braile at once and could show up document structures or
even grafics. So I follow the developments in this sector hoping that there
will be a realistic solution for that anytime.


-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Im Auftrag von Brian's
Mail list account via Groups.Io
Gesendet: Dienstag, 3. Oktober 2017 13:42
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: [nvda] Braille, how many use it?

Tis is just a question. I see a lot of work going on on the development
front to make these displays and the entering of the code more intuitive and
better.
I just wondered how many folk here can afford to use a Braille display on
their machines? Since the promised Orbit seems to be having issues getting
out of the factory, most of the other choices out there need a second
mortgage to buy them!

Just musing that was all.
Brian

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Re: Braille, how many use it?

 

I agree, braille could be used better, its still a good medium as a way for the blind to read like the sighted.

But take it out of school if that now, and the fact is you don't need to use it generally.

I'd like to see it on menus or places where you would read it more naturally rather than taking out my device and looking different.

We also need to learn how to get devices where you can type quieter.

At some university classes and school I had to type in another room because of it being to loud.

And even when I was allowed, the fact is the noise is like a dot matrix I know its my right to be able to use it but at convenience of others.

I am entitled because I am blind but later on I do wander at what they had to put up with.

But you never think about that when you are a kid.

On 4/10/2017 3:06 a.m., Damien Sykes-Lindley wrote:
Hi,
I don't see anyone saying that we should give up braille for technology. That seemed to happen naturally in my case because I had no need to read it, so I never did. Only recently when trying to play a game I realised just how screwed my braille skills actually are.
In fact, I totally agree that braille would be better in some areas of work, programming and large calculations being two such areas. On the other hand, try asking for a disability/assistive technology grant over here and see if you can break the record for the longest fight and largest number of letdowns... I've just about given up hope on both the government and the RNIB. Bleh.
Cheers.
Damien.
-----Original Message----- From: Nevzat Adil
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2017 2:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Braille, how many use it?

Braille is as important to a blind person as print is to someone who
can see. I do not see any sighted person saying they should give up
print because of technology. I am glad NVDA developers are working on
making it braille friendly. The fact that braille displays are too
expensive should not discourage learning braille as prices are bound
to come down and many get those devices the government or private
programs, anyway.

On 10/3/17, Robert Mendoza <lowvisiontek@gmail.com> wrote:
Lucky of those who has a braille display, cause here it is very
expensive and you need to buy it online or rather to pre-order to the
selected store. So I simply used the ordinary keyboard.

Robert Mendoza

On 10/3/2017 5:41 AM, Adriani Botez wrote:
In Germany they are also bein paid by ministery of labor or by the health
insurance company. And very often is being individually judged if the
person
gets the device paid or not. It depends on the time period since last
payment or on how well tested is the technical features of the device.


-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Im Auftrag von
Mallard
Gesendet: Dienstag, 3. Oktober 2017 14:35
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] Braille, how many use it?

I agree. Luckily, the National Health Service here in Italy gives us
braille
displays, either totally paid by the National Health Service itself, or
partly - depending on the cost of the device.


I used an Optacon before the advent of braille displays, and still do,
but
on paper and ereaders; no longer on a pc screen, due to uncomfortable
position of my workstation.


I couldn't live without braille! I switched to NVDA only once braille
support was introduced.

Ciao,

Ollie





Il 03/10/2017 13:41, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io ha scritto:
Tis is just a question. I see a lot of work going on on the
development front to make these displays and the entering of the code
more intuitive and better.
I just wondered how many folk here can afford to use a Braille display
on their machines? Since the promised Orbit seems to be having issues
getting out  of the factory, most of the other choices out there need
a second mortgage to buy them!

Just musing that was all.
Brian

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Re: Braille, how many use it?

Roger Stewart
 

I'd gladly use a braille display if I could afford one. If the Orbit display had come out as advertised, I might have one of those but that just isn't happening. There's no one here who will pay for anything like this as I'm 70 years old and not a client of any rehab agency or anything like that. Maybe the Chinese will come up with a functioning and affordable display someday.

Roger

On 10/3/2017 8:14 AM, Damien Sykes-Lindley wrote:
Hi,
Braille displays are super expensive. So expensive, in fact, that I'm surprised they're still on the market!
As for me, very naughty me, especially being total, I haven't touched Braille in ten years. Consequently, I've forgotten most of it! I'm a speech user all the way.
Cheers.
Damien.
-----Original Message----- From: Steve Nutt
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2017 2:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Braille, how many use it?

Hi,

I wouldn't be without Braille personally. You can only tell so much with
speech, unless you turn on formatting and all that jazz.

All the best

Steve

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Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: 03 October 2017 12:42
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Braille, how many use it?

Tis is just a question. I see a lot of work going on on the development
front to make these displays and the entering of the code more intuitive and
better.
I just wondered how many folk here can afford to use a Braille display on
their machines? Since the promised Orbit seems to be having issues getting
out of the factory, most of the other choices out there need a second
mortgage to buy them!

Just musing that was all.
Brian

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Re: Braille, how many use it?

 

No and now there has been a user that is selling it because they said it was not for them.

I was going to buy this but it seems to use a simple os, and I am unsure what to do about that.

I was thinking like something like the l braille though to be honest  what I'd like would be a braille keyboard and or querty keyboard and a braille screen you could put on to any computer that could have a ssd in it.

You can get up to 1tb drives with 256-500 being all a standard user would need.

Ofcause thats probably going to sort of cost as much as a good computer but even though that may be expensive.

The future is in mainstream oses or as extra hardware for those.

Using a pc after using my limited keynote in dos and other braille systems it opened my eyes to what I was missing software wise.

The issue I see with a lot of blind accessible special hardware is you can only run software that is accessible.

And while thats fine for the average user if like me you are not and I bet a lot of us are not, we want to fiddle about with our systems, destroy them, screw ourselves over and be free.

Blindy spaciffic devices don't allow us to be free.

Because we are helpless and they need to hold our blind hands.

Thats fine to a point, but you will eventually exhaust the limited featureset and once thats done you may wander is that all.

Its true you can do some gaming, email, and other things but you can't just load a general windows program or whatever on a standard old style device.

At the time I did training with my now dead keynote 18, you got told the basics, the general wordprocessing app, the dos reader, and the extra programs to use for braille translation and wordperfect and that was it.

Fortunately there was dos, I was able to fiddle but I do believe some devices are more restricted than that.

Unless you had an eurika that was which was in unix and could program it and or the bns or something it was still restricted.

If we hope to move forward as a people then we need to make devices that are mainstreamed or at least be able to connect to mainstream tech like a laptop for extra functions.

On 4/10/2017 2:43 a.m., Adriani Botez wrote:
How about orbit reader? It is the cheapest braille display. Did they manage
to start shipping?


-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Im Auftrag von Antony
Stone
Gesendet: Dienstag, 3. Oktober 2017 15:28
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] Braille, how many use it?

Braille displays are indeed very expensive to buy new, but they remain
manufactured and available because the majority of purchases are by
employers or government education departments who are required to provide
funding for disabled people under many countries' anti-discrimination laws.

That said, I have had good success buying second-hand displays on eBay,
because no employer or education funder will consider supplying a
second-hand device, but they can still be passed on in a good working
condition after someone leaves their job or comes to the end of their
training.

I do wish lower-cost new Braille displays were available, but so long as the
majority of the customers are organisations which can afford them and don't
question the price, they will continue to pay current prices for them in
just the same way as they pay for Jaws licences, instead of funding the
development of NVDA and then getting as many copies as they like for free
afterwards.


Antony.

On Tuesday 03 October 2017 at 15:14:41, Damien Sykes-Lindley wrote:

Hi,
Braille displays are super expensive. So expensive, in fact, that I'm
surprised they're still on the market!
As for me, very naughty me, especially being total, I haven't touched
Braille in ten years. Consequently, I've forgotten most of it! I'm a
speech user all the way.
Cheers.
Damien.
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Nutt
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2017 2:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Braille, how many use it?

Hi,

I wouldn't be without Braille personally. You can only tell so much
with speech, unless you turn on formatting and all that jazz.

All the best

Steve

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: 03 October 2017 12:42
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Braille, how many use it?

Tis is just a question. I see a lot of work going on on the
development front to make these displays and the entering of the code
more intuitive and better.
I just wondered how many folk here can afford to use a Braille display
on their machines? Since the promised Orbit seems to be having issues
getting out of the factory, most of the other choices out there need
a second mortgage to buy them!

Just musing that was all.
Brian
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Re: Read to end of document not working in NVDA

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Of course it is still not working on Open or Libra Office unfortunately. Does anyone know if these programs have scroll bars? I did wonder whether a ascreen reader could check these and try to scroll them in some way to keep it reading.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Thompson" <dmt031073@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2017 12:57 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Read to end of document not working in NVDA


Yes, I thought that was it and that's what I am using. Thanks for your help.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Mullins
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2017 5:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Read to end of document not working in NVDA

No, if you are using desktop keyboard layout, it's NVDA+down arrow. NVDA being a modifier key which can be one or all of capslock, insert and extended insert key depending on your personal configuration of keyboard settings.

Cheers

Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dan Thompson
Sent: 3 October 2017 01:45
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Read to end of document not working in NVDA

Thank you very very much. What if you are using a desktop. Can you use caplocks plus A?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rui Fontes
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2017 7:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Read to end of document not working in NVDA

Do you have selected the laptop keyboard sheme?
If so, the keystroke is CapsLock+A.

Rui


-----Mensagem Original-----
De: Dan Thompson
Data: 3 de outubro de 2017 01:18
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: [nvda] Read to end of document not working in NVDA



HI All,

I use to be able to press one of the nvda keys along with down arrow and
text would be read from the cursor’s location to the end of the document.
This stopped a few upgrades ago. I thought it would come back but has not
yet. I explored the menus but can’t find a setting except unchecking
“simple review mode” to try. So I did uncheck the box and nothing really
changed. Does any have any idea how to get the read to end back?



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Re: Rumola

 

can I please fet the link fore portable firefox with webvism?

On 10/3/2017 9:40 AM, Mallard wrote:
That never worked for me.


I use Webvisum, but it no longer works with Firefox as of version 53. For this reason, I've kept a portable of version 52, which I use when I need to solve Captchas with Webvisum.


The add-on is still there; it's Firefox that no longer lets us use it.


Should anyone choose to go tthe way I go, I can provide a link to my dropbox with a version of Webvisum that works.

Ciao,

Ollie





Il 03/10/2017 17:59, Nevzat Adil ha scritto:
Hi everyone,
Do any of you use Rumola, the addon to Firefox that automatically
reads the captia?
I noticed today that mine no longer works.
I went to rumola.com and tried to sign into my account and see if I
can reactivate but that did not work, either.
It has not been updated since 2014 according to their website.
It was a nice little helpful software when encountering captias.
  I would appreciate any comments.
Nevzat





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Re: Braille, how many use it?

 

As long as braille  output  devices remain out of reach braille will decline in use.

Its important you are right, to your generation and to mine, but I see the time when it will be replaced if we don't watch it.

Even writing styles are changing, we need to make sure that doesn't die to.

Typing is faster than brailling, its faster than writing.

And while the sighted may need to write from time to time.

I can't imagine brailling on my heavy aquard brailler when I can use a computer.

As well as that braille units just braille mostly and no more.

Having used the computer I want to run all my programs, email, cloud, torrents, music, games, and what I want without specialised and limited software.

If we can get more displays on android, apple, windows 10 full, etc then I am all for that.

But not on its own.

I want to be normal as I can.

Spaciffic solutions are fine for the blind up to a point.

However even with the latest smart phones, keynote devices, etc there are still some limits.

On 4/10/2017 2:29 a.m., Nevzat Adil wrote:
Braille is as important to a blind person as print is to someone who
can see. I do not see any sighted person saying they should give up
print because of technology. I am glad NVDA developers are working on
making it braille friendly. The fact that braille displays are too
expensive should not discourage learning braille as prices are bound
to come down and many get those devices the government or private
programs, anyway.

On 10/3/17, Robert Mendoza <lowvisiontek@gmail.com> wrote:
Lucky of those who has a braille display, cause here it is very
expensive and you need to buy it online or rather to pre-order to the
selected store. So I simply used the ordinary keyboard.

Robert Mendoza

On 10/3/2017 5:41 AM, Adriani Botez wrote:
In Germany they are also bein paid by ministery of labor or by the health
insurance company. And very often is being individually judged if the
person
gets the device paid or not. It depends on the time period since last
payment or on how well tested is the technical features of the device.


-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Im Auftrag von
Mallard
Gesendet: Dienstag, 3. Oktober 2017 14:35
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] Braille, how many use it?

I agree. Luckily, the National Health Service here in Italy gives us
braille
displays, either totally paid by the National Health Service itself, or
partly - depending on the cost of the device.


I used an Optacon before the advent of braille displays, and still do,
but
on paper and ereaders; no longer on a pc screen, due to uncomfortable
position of my workstation.


I couldn't live without braille! I switched to NVDA only once braille
support was introduced.

Ciao,

Ollie





Il 03/10/2017 13:41, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io ha scritto:
Tis is just a question. I see a lot of work going on on the
development front to make these displays and the entering of the code
more intuitive and better.
I just wondered how many folk here can afford to use a Braille display
on their machines? Since the promised Orbit seems to be having issues
getting out  of the factory, most of the other choices out there need
a second mortgage to buy them!

Just musing that was all.
Brian

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Re: Getting Better Sounding Voices For NVDA

Sarah k Alawami
 

I believe code factory sells them. They are $60 or there abouts.

On Oct 3, 2017, at 12:20 PM, James Robinson <jardatalearningcenter@jardata.biz> wrote:

Hello!

I once saw a link on this list showing where NVDA users could purchase
Eloquence voices to be used on one or three machines. I would like to know
how to get these voices and want to know their cost, as I have trouble
listening to the voices that come with NVDA. Thanks very much for your
help.

Sincerely,

James Robinson




Re: Braille, how many use it?

 

Well I have a boss I do work for in psycology and he worries about braille.

The fact is, well there are 3 facts.

THe major one ofcause well 2 is.

1.  while we can print braille on paper bulky as it is easy enough, we still need the old style analog pins and the like to drive the dots and such.

Eventually something needs to be done.

The other fact is sad but true.

Braille is so yesteryear.

You don't need braille at all, in fact the blind never need braille as long as they have speech and power for devices.

If your deff or loose power for things for a long period its another matter.

Braille books are bulky in paper form.

I do read braille and have been using it since school as well as reading the odd book from time to time.

But braille isn't much use to me anymore.

If we got things working in a modernised environment, fine.

But we need to do it quickly else braille will go the way of the 386 computer, windows xp, win98, and a lot of the manual equipment of yesteryear.

Its not relivent in todays world allready.

If it became as good as say well updated to todays standards for output and input then maybe its got a chance.

On 4/10/2017 2:14 a.m., Damien Sykes-Lindley wrote:
Hi,
Braille displays are super expensive. So expensive, in fact, that I'm surprised they're still on the market!
As for me, very naughty me, especially being total, I haven't touched Braille in ten years. Consequently, I've forgotten most of it! I'm a speech user all the way.
Cheers.
Damien.
-----Original Message----- From: Steve Nutt
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2017 2:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Braille, how many use it?

Hi,

I wouldn't be without Braille personally.  You can only tell so much with
speech, unless you turn on formatting and all that jazz.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's
Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: 03 October 2017 12:42
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Braille, how many use it?

Tis is just a question. I see a lot of work going on on the development
front to make these displays and the entering of the code more intuitive and
better.
I just wondered how many folk here can afford to use a Braille display on
their machines? Since the promised Orbit seems to be having issues getting
out  of the factory, most of the other choices out there need a second
mortgage to buy them!

Just musing that was all.
Brian

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Getting Better Sounding Voices For NVDA

James Robinson
 

Hello!

I once saw a link on this list showing where NVDA users could purchase
Eloquence voices to be used on one or three machines. I would like to know
how to get these voices and want to know their cost, as I have trouble
listening to the voices that come with NVDA. Thanks very much for your
help.

Sincerely,

James Robinson


Re: Weather Plus Latest Add On doesn't read weather information With Insert + W Key Press On 64 Bit Windows 7 System

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Adriano,


You were correct.  On this old Windows 7 system, I had previously installed Storm Dragon's Weather Add On.  It used the insert + W keystroke to give the current weather conditions.  I disabled this add on and now your more extensive add on works perfectly again.

On 10/3/2017 9:34 AM, Adriano Barbieri via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi Ron,

It is not that nvda+w is used by another addon or program?
and the other quick keys work?
Notifies you of any error in the log?

Cheers
Adriano

----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Canazzi" <aa2vm@roadrunner.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2017 9:56 PM
Subject: [nvda] Weather Plus Latest Add On doesn't read weather information With Insert + W Key Press On 64 Bit Windows 7 System


Hi Group,


I updated the Weather Plus add on for my Windows 7 64 bit machine (my newer system bit the dust and is being repaired) and the insert + W keystroke renders no speech. I can access the add on with the various keystrokes to make changes, but nothing is spoken. All my settings from the previous installation are present, but no speech occurs.


Any help would be greatly appreciated.


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