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problems with spell checker in

Angelo Sonnesso
 

I was trying to use the spell checker in Outlook and WinWord the correction choices are being read, but when you try to manual correct an item NVDA does not read the item under the cursor.

Is there a setting that I can adjust?

Other than that, this screen reader rocks.

Re: New windows not always detected

Gene
 

I just tested using XP and JAWS.  On the three programs where I have this or a similar problem, it didn't occur with JAWS.  I tested opening each program twice.  Though I was skeptical that this was an NVDA problem, it now appears that it is.  Perhaps these programs have something in common that causes NVDA to have this initial focus problem. 
 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gene
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2017 2:32 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New windows not always detected

I saw a message from an XP user saying that he doesn't encounter the problem in XP.  I still use XP and I see the problem in Firefox, Chrome and Tapin Radio.
 
I didn't keep the message so I can't include it in the quoted previous messages.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2017 2:29 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New windows not always detected

I have encountered it, too.


On 2/25/2017 8:51 AM, Felix G. wrote:
Hello,
I'd like to ask if anyone else has encountered the following:
When launching an application, for example by hitting enter on Mozilla Firefox on the desktop, NVDA sometimes fails to detect there is a new active window. It will not automatically say anything, and pressing NVDA+t will still yield "Explorer" as if the desktop still had focus. However, pressing tab clearly shows that Firefox had focus because it performs the expected action of jumping, for example, out of the address field and into the search field.
For an experiment I gave it a full five minutes to see if it just takes an awful lot of time, but no luck. So, window activation events seem under certain conditions to be able to pass under NVDA's radar.
It might be worth noting that I noticed this not long after a reboot and the dust might not have fully settled in terms of background tasks starting and stopping.
Kind regards,
Felix


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Re: Thanks, congratulations, and any info about sales force

Domingos de Oliveira <domingos20000@...>
 

Congratulations to Eric and thanks to the great NVDA Community. I use NVDA since 3 years as first screenreader in my job as Editor. Jaws was kicked out with Windows XP:-)


Am 25.02.2017 um 15:19 schrieb Nevzat Adil:

Congratulations to you for getting this job and congratulations to
NVDA developers for making it possible.
Nevzat

On 2/24/17, 蔡宗豪 Victor Cai <surfer0627@...> wrote:
Hi Erik,
Congratulations! Thank you for sharing this good news with us.

Regards,

Victor





2017-02-25 6:15 GMT+08:00, erik burggraaf <erik@...>:
Hello all, I think today was a good day for NVDA, it's developers, it's
community, and well, modest little oll me.

I'm expecting to be hired by a company that does business to business
technical support. Today, they finally brought me in for my first
consultation. Six weeks ago, I registered my need for a screen reader by
way of accomodation, and recommended jaws and NVDA to be tested for
compatibility with the company's software. This morning, when I arrived
for my consultation, I found the company had opted for NVDA.
They sited significant performance breaks over jaws, and the fact that
they

have python programmers on staff to handle scripting as reasons for
choosing NVDA as well as the fact that I had stated a preference for
using
it.

This morning I demonstrated that NVDA could be successfully used with
sales

force, a ticketing and databasing system commonly used by telecom
companies. There are some design issues with sales force that need to be
worked out, but things are very close to being fully accessible out of
the
box. If any one has experience using sales force, It would be great to
hear from you.

The people I spoke with this morning were very receptive to the openness
of

NVDA, and so I hope that when their implementation goes into effect, they
will contribute to the NVDA community accordingly.

So, it's not perfect yet, but all in all I have had a pretty successful
day

thanks to NVDA.

Have fun,

Erik


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Re: Thanks, congratulations, and any info about sales force

 

Congratulations to you for getting this job and congratulations to
NVDA developers for making it possible.
Nevzat

On 2/24/17, 蔡宗豪 Victor Cai <surfer0627@...> wrote:
Hi Erik,
Congratulations! Thank you for sharing this good news with us.

Regards,

Victor





2017-02-25 6:15 GMT+08:00, erik burggraaf <erik@...>:
Hello all, I think today was a good day for NVDA, it's developers, it's
community, and well, modest little oll me.

I'm expecting to be hired by a company that does business to business
technical support. Today, they finally brought me in for my first
consultation. Six weeks ago, I registered my need for a screen reader by
way of accomodation, and recommended jaws and NVDA to be tested for
compatibility with the company's software. This morning, when I arrived
for my consultation, I found the company had opted for NVDA.
They sited significant performance breaks over jaws, and the fact that
they

have python programmers on staff to handle scripting as reasons for
choosing NVDA as well as the fact that I had stated a preference for
using
it.

This morning I demonstrated that NVDA could be successfully used with
sales

force, a ticketing and databasing system commonly used by telecom
companies. There are some design issues with sales force that need to be
worked out, but things are very close to being fully accessible out of
the
box. If any one has experience using sales force, It would be great to
hear from you.

The people I spoke with this morning were very receptive to the openness
of

NVDA, and so I hope that when their implementation goes into effect, they
will contribute to the NVDA community accordingly.

So, it's not perfect yet, but all in all I have had a pretty successful
day

thanks to NVDA.

Have fun,

Erik


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Re: Windows 10 App Essentials 1702

Chris Mullins
 

Hi Joseph

Currently the speak typed characters setting has no effect when in the Calculator app.  Are you saying that it will function in the upcoming major build of Windows?  I appreciate your point about it being a user experience issue rather than a technical one however, the fact that it is bundled with several other improvements to the user experience covering a variety of apps, limits the choice for users who, like me for example, want the Mail features of W10AE but not the Calculator ones.

 

Cheers

Chris

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: 25 February 2017 12:56
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 1702

 

Hi,

It is intentional: suppose you run Calculator in Creators Update (or the upcoming major build) and tell NVDA to announce typed characters. You’ll hear duplicates if this happens. However, I’ll leave open the possibility where this will not be the case anymore in a few weeks if people say that they prefer hearing “display is N” each time you press number keys or what not (a decision having to do with user experience, not a technical one).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Mullins
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2017 4:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 1702

 

Hi

I may be mistaken , I can’t check because i deleted the message but together with the announcement that Windows Mail app can now read messages with the arrow keys, Joseph said that the Calculator app will not read anything but the display field without the addon.  He may have been referring to an upcoming build of Windows (I’m using Version 1607 (OS Build 14393.693)) but if not, then in the Calculator app this is not the case. 

 

Without the app essentials add-on running, the calculator display value is echoed as you type, with the add-on this does not occur, in all other aspects, access to other parts of the calculator app appears to be identical whether the add-on is running or not.  In my opinion, the add-on makes Calculator access less user friendly.

 

Cheers

Chris 

Trouble with yahoo

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Many people have an address they use through yahoo and an email client like tbird, OutlookExpress and wlm.
It seems in the last few days Yahoo have forced most of these people to go to the log in page and ask for a text to be sent to their phone to verify them then choose another password.
However when I tried this yesterday, I found that it all worked up until I put in the four characters from the text whereupon it told me I was not me and sent an email to me telling me it had had attempts to access my account from an unauthorised person.
Obviously pop3 is working and the smtp server is what has been locked out.
Does this ring any bells. Now my guess is that either due to nvda reading the wrong field description has meant I entered the code into the wrong place,or the phone speaking the characters is not reading some of them, maybe some punctuation or something.
Has anyone got this to actually work?

If its the former reason it should be possible to work around it if I knew where to look for the text, but if its the latter I have a 'dumb' phone and it is what it is, and so I have little hope of fixing it. Incidentally their help number wants

$100 to fix it over the phone.

Seeing as the problem is of their own making, I've a good mind to advise my friends to abandon it and get a gmail account which I understand can not only be enabled for pop3/smtp, but can collect email from other accounts as well, though no idea on how to achieve this. Maybe there is a tutorial somewhere. I'd hope gmail does not use capchars as none of us have any way to read them.

Slightly off topic but thought it was right to highlight this issue as others might well be affected as well and somebody might have solved it. Incidentally could not figure out how to post to their forum either, Yahoo that is.

Off for lunch.
:-)

Brian

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Re: Windows 10 App Essentials 1702

 

Hi,

It is intentional: suppose you run Calculator in Creators Update (or the upcoming major build) and tell NVDA to announce typed characters. You’ll hear duplicates if this happens. However, I’ll leave open the possibility where this will not be the case anymore in a few weeks if people say that they prefer hearing “display is N” each time you press number keys or what not (a decision having to do with user experience, not a technical one).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Mullins
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2017 4:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 1702

 

Hi

I may be mistaken , I can’t check because i deleted the message but together with the announcement that Windows Mail app can now read messages with the arrow keys, Joseph said that the Calculator app will not read anything but the display field without the addon.  He may have been referring to an upcoming build of Windows (I’m using Version 1607 (OS Build 14393.693)) but if not, then in the Calculator app this is not the case. 

 

Without the app essentials add-on running, the calculator display value is echoed as you type, with the add-on this does not occur, in all other aspects, access to other parts of the calculator app appears to be identical whether the add-on is running or not.  In my opinion, the add-on makes Calculator access less user friendly.

 

Cheers

Chris 

Windows 10 App Essentials 1702

Chris Mullins
 

Hi

I may be mistaken , I can’t check because i deleted the message but together with the announcement that Windows Mail app can now read messages with the arrow keys, Joseph said that the Calculator app will not read anything but the display field without the addon.  He may have been referring to an upcoming build of Windows (I’m using Version 1607 (OS Build 14393.693)) but if not, then in the Calculator app this is not the case. 

 

Without the app essentials add-on running, the calculator display value is echoed as you type, with the add-on this does not occur, in all other aspects, access to other parts of the calculator app appears to be identical whether the add-on is running or not.  In my opinion, the add-on makes Calculator access less user friendly.

 

Cheers

Chris 

Re: getting NVDA to indicate capital letters

Clare Page <clare.page@...>
 

Hi!

Another option is to check Beep For Capitals in the Voice Settings dialogue: that’s the option I personally use. That way I can hear what letters are capitals when reading character by character, regardless of which voice synthesizer I use and whether they can do pitch changes or not.

It’s still good to have the choice of how capitals are indicated, though.

Bye for now!

From Clare

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris
Sent: samedi 25 février 2017 11:20
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] getting NVDA to indicate capital letters

 

You all going down the wrong track!

 

Go to nvda voice settings and check say cap before capitals

 

Job done!

 

Re: getting NVDA to indicate capital letters

Chris Mullins
 

In what context are you trying to hear the difference in the case of letters?  It will only be heard if you are either navigating text by letter or typing letters into a document or input field of some kind.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Robert Mendoza
Sent: 25 February 2017 06:14
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] getting NVDA to indicate capital letters

 

Alright then, maybe someone could shell out some advice from our fellow listers if they are using the same case you have. That's all I could give an advise for now.


Robert Mendoza

On 2/25/2017 1:59 PM, Dennis L wrote:

It is the eloquence adon from codefactory.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Robert Mendoza
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2017 12:54 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] getting NVDA to indicate capital letters

 

That's kindly odd to know. I may asked what version of nvda that was installed to your machine? or perhaps tried to disable all the addons by restarting to double check the problem. I don't think any possible could have trigger a problem other than that because it works fine from here at all. Or, the last option will be resetting the nvda to factory default to ensure you made all the possible troubleshooting.



Robert Mendoza

On 2/25/2017 1:38 PM, Dennis L wrote:

I increased it but didn’t notice any difference

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Robert Mendoza
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2017 12:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] getting NVDA to indicate capital letters

 

It seems you just increases the pitch volume of the voice itself. But, you were able to tabbed through till you heard that says "Capital pitch change percentage 30", The numeric or the edit field of 30 was the default You can increases it that the value on your preferred or desired value you like. Then, pressed Okay to take apply the changes.




Robert Mendoza

On 2/25/2017 11:37 AM, Dennis L wrote:

I tried that nothing happened. When I got to the setting I didn't notice a difference after making the number higher.

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On February 24, 2017 10:31:05 PM "Robert Mendoza" <lowvisiontek@...> wrote:

You may pressed nvda plus control V, to go directly of the Voice Setting options. Then, follow the steps mentioned below as per suggested earlier to this thread.




Robert Mendoza

On 2/25/2017 10:38 AM, Dennis L wrote:

When I press nvda v nothing happens.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 9:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] getting NVDA to indicate capital letters

 

Open voice settings with NVDA key v. 

Tab through the items in the dialog and you'll see an edit field where you can type a numeric entry for the pitch of capital letters.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Dennis L

Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 6:36 PM

Subject: [nvda] getting NVDA to indicate capital letters

 

Hi,  is there any way to get NVDA  to indicate capital letters with a higher pitch sound in the TTs similar to Jaws?  Thanks..

 

 

 

 

Re: Two issues with the "Windows 10 App Essentials" add-on

 

Hello Joseph and others,

Sorry to revive this old threat, but I must, since I have an announcement to make about the raised by me issues in it.

And the announcement is a very good one. After updating Windows 10 App Essentials to version 17.02, the issue with not being able to read a mail message in the E-Mail app using the arrow keys is no longer present - now I can read a mail message with the arrow keys. I don't know what caused the issue and how it got fixed, but I'm happy that it's gone now. 😀

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev


На 30.9.2016 г. в 11:11, Joseph Lee написа:

Hi,
Calculator display: with the add-on turned off, if you move to places other than results box, you won't hear anything.
I may need to raise an issue in the tracker for this add-on to announce things like "sine" and "roots" if such shortcut keys were pressed (may not see the light of day until add-on 16.11 at the earliest).
Cheers,
Joseph

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kostadin Kolev" <k.kolev1985@...
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Date sent: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 10:45:19 +0300
Subject: Re: [nvda] Two issues with the "Windows 10 App Essentials" add-on

<html
 <head
   <meta content="text/html; charset=utf-8" http-equiv="Content-Type"
 </head
 <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"
   <p>Hello Joseph,<br
     <br
     Yes, the version of the add-on is 16.10.</p
   About the "Calculator" app.  OK, if you think this is a better
   solution.  Though personally I'd prefer to hear all changes of the
   display, as it is the behavior without the add-on.<br
   <p>______<br
     Best wishes,<br
     Kostadin Kolev</p
   <br
   <div class="moz-cite-prefix">?? 30.9.2016 ?.  ? 10:37, Joseph Lee
     ??????:<br
   </div
   <blockquote cite="mid:147909BCE49AB58E.27670@groups.io" type="cite">Hi,
     <br
     Which add-on version are you using (16.10 perhaps)?
     <br
     Mail: Can anyone else confirm this? I can read messages using
     arrow keys. Note that due to changes introduced as part of Edge
     support work (next branch for now), I have disabled my workaround
     in Mail app.
     <br
     Calculator: this is intentional to keep user experience as similar
     to old Calculator program (also quite verbose to hear this
     information every time you enter something). Ideally NVDA should
     be able to announce characters you type, but unfortunately, we
     won't see a solution for a while.
     <br
     Due to events I'll be attending, I may not be able to maintain the
     add-on for the next few days; in the
     <br
     meantime, Derek Riemer will fill in my shoes. Thanks.
     <br
     Cheers,
     <br
     Joseph
     <br
     ----- Original Message -----
     <br
     From: "Kostadin Kolev" &lt;<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:k.kolev1985@...">k.kolev1985@...</a
     <br
     To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io">nvda@nvda.groups.io</a
     <br
     Date sent: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 10:14:45 +0300
     <br
     Subject: [nvda] Two issues with the "Windows 10 App Essentials"
     add-on
     <br
     <br
     &lt;html
     <br
     &lt;head
     <br
     <br
     젨 &lt;meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html;
     charset=utf-8"
     <br
     &lt;/head
     <br
     &lt;body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"
     <br
     젨 Hello Joseph and all,&lt;br
     <br
     젨 &lt;br
     <br
     젨 I've noticed two issues while using the "Windows 10 App
     Essentials"
     <br
     젨 add-on:&lt;br
     <br
     젨 1. In the "Calculator" app, when I enter digits, NVDA does not
     <br
     젨 announce the change in the display. It announces the change
     only
     <br
     젨 after I press ENTER to get the result. If I disable the
     "Windows 10
     <br
     젨 App Essentials", the issue stops occurring.&lt;br
     <br
     젨 2. In the "Mail" app, I cannot read a message only by pressing
     UP or
     <br
     젨 DOWN arrows. I can read it only with "Say All". If I disable
     the
     <br
     젨 "Windows 10 App Essentials" add-on, the issue disappears and I
     can
     <br
     젨 read the message body with UP and DOWN arrows.&lt;br
     <br
     젨 &lt;br
     <br
     젨 Test environment:&lt;br
     <br
     젨 - Operating system: Windows 10 Pro (build 14393.222), 64-bit,
     in
     <br
     젨 Bulgarian with all locale settings set to "Bulgarian".&lt;br
     <br
     젨 - NVDA version: next-13616,d4743fcc, in bulgarian.&lt;br
     <br
     젨 - "Mail" app version: 17.7167.40817.0, in bulgarian.&lt;br
     <br
     젨 - "Calculator" app version: can't find it, but it should be the
     <br
     젨 latest from the apps store.&lt;br
     <br
     젨 &lt;br
     <br
     젨 If you need more information from me in order to be able to
     diagnose
     <br
     젨 the issue, please let me know and I'll try to help as best as I
     can.&lt;br
     <br
     젨 &lt;br
     <br
     젨 ______&lt;br
     <br
     젨 Best wishes,&lt;br
     <br
     젨 Kostadin Kolev
     <br
     &lt;/body
     <br
     &lt;/html
     <br
     <br
     &lt;div width="1" style="color:white;clear:both"&gt;&lt;/div
     <br
     <br
     <br

     <br
     <br
   </blockquote
   <br
 </body
</html

<div width="1" style="color:white;clear:both"></div






Re: getting NVDA to indicate capital letters

Chris
 

You all going down the wrong track!

 

Go to nvda voice settings and check say cap before capitals

 

Job done!

 

Re: New windows not always detected

Jacques <lists4js@...>
 

I understand, thanks for clarifying your point.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Michel Such
Sent: Saturday, 25 February 2017 11:58
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New windows not always detected

 

I did not say it does not happen on powerful machines, I just that it happens more systematically on small ones.

For example, on my I7 machine, when launching Firevox, NVDA gets to the firefox window most of the time, which almost never happens on my netbook.

There is at leest one app that never gets correctly focused, Libreoffice.

 

                    Michel SUCH
 
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Twitter : @SuchMichel

Le 2017-02-25 à 09:45, Jacques a écrit :

This is not correct. Ive seen this behaviour on I7s, including my own.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Michel Such
Sent: Saturday, 25 February 2017 10:41
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New windows not always detected

 

Hi,

 

It seems it happens more often on relatively slow machines.

 

                    Michel SUCH
 
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Twitter : @SuchMichel

Le 2017-02-25 à 09:32, Gene a écrit :

I saw a message from an XP user saying that he doesn't encounter the problem in XP.  I still use XP and I see the problem in Firefox, Chrome and Tapin Radio.

 

I didn't keep the message so I can't include it in the quoted previous messages.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2017 2:29 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] New windows not always detected

 

I have encountered it, too.

 

On 2/25/2017 8:51 AM, Felix G. wrote:

Hello,

I'd like to ask if anyone else has encountered the following:

When launching an application, for example by hitting enter on Mozilla Firefox on the desktop, NVDA sometimes fails to detect there is a new active window. It will not automatically say anything, and pressing NVDA+t will still yield "Explorer" as if the desktop still had focus. However, pressing tab clearly shows that Firefox had focus because it performs the expected action of jumping, for example, out of the address field and into the search field.

For an experiment I gave it a full five minutes to see if it just takes an awful lot of time, but no luck. So, window activation events seem under certain conditions to be able to pass under NVDA's radar.

It might be worth noting that I noticed this not long after a reboot and the dust might not have fully settled in terms of background tasks starting and stopping.

Kind regards,

Felix

 

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Has anyone else noticed that in Windows 10, when there is a new update it seems to open silently in the background, often going unnoticed till you start to close programs?

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Re: New windows not always detected

Michel Such
 

I did not say it does not happen on powerful machines, I just that it happens more systematically on small ones.

For example, on my I7 machine, when launching Firevox, NVDA gets to the firefox window most of the time, which almost never happens on my netbook.

There is at leest one app that never gets correctly focused, Libreoffice.


                    Michel SUCH

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Le 2017-02-25 à 09:45, Jacques a écrit :

This is not correct. Ive seen this behaviour on I7s, including my own.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Michel Such
Sent: Saturday, 25 February 2017 10:41
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New windows not always detected

 

Hi,

 

It seems it happens more often on relatively slow machines.

 

                    Michel SUCH
 
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Twitter : @SuchMichel

Le 2017-02-25 à 09:32, Gene a écrit :

I saw a message from an XP user saying that he doesn't encounter the problem in XP.  I still use XP and I see the problem in Firefox, Chrome and Tapin Radio.

 

I didn't keep the message so I can't include it in the quoted previous messages.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Dejan Ristic

Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2017 2:29 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] New windows not always detected

 

I have encountered it, too.

 

On 2/25/2017 8:51 AM, Felix G. wrote:

Hello,

I'd like to ask if anyone else has encountered the following:

When launching an application, for example by hitting enter on Mozilla Firefox on the desktop, NVDA sometimes fails to detect there is a new active window. It will not automatically say anything, and pressing NVDA+t will still yield "Explorer" as if the desktop still had focus. However, pressing tab clearly shows that Firefox had focus because it performs the expected action of jumping, for example, out of the address field and into the search field.

For an experiment I gave it a full five minutes to see if it just takes an awful lot of time, but no luck. So, window activation events seem under certain conditions to be able to pass under NVDA's radar.

It might be worth noting that I noticed this not long after a reboot and the dust might not have fully settled in terms of background tasks starting and stopping.

Kind regards,

Felix

 

Virus-free. www.avast.com

 


Re: Cell reporting in the Document formatting menu

Thomas Stivers
 

    All,


The column number can be included in the word status bar.


1. After opening Word press F6 to switch to the status bar pane. If you have other panes open you may have to press F6 more than once.

2. Press the Applications key or Shift+F10 to open the context menu for the status bar.

3. In this menu there are a number of items which can be shown or hidden by pressing enter on them.

4. Press escape once you have added and removed the status bar items you like and then Shift+F6 to get back to the open document.


While this will tell you the column number I have not found a way to get NVDA to report the horizontal position of the cursor in inches. To me this is even more important than the column number because if a line is centered its first character will still be called column 1 though it does not line up with column 1 of left aligned paragraphs or even with other centered paragraphs. Is there a way to get the horizontal position information in Word documents from NVDA?


Thanks, and hope my answer is helpful.


Thomas

Re: New windows not always detected

Jacques <lists4js@...>
 

This is not correct. Ive seen this behaviour on I7s, including my own.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Michel Such
Sent: Saturday, 25 February 2017 10:41
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New windows not always detected

 

Hi,

 

It seems it happens more often on relatively slow machines.

 

                    Michel SUCH
 
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Le 2017-02-25 à 09:32, Gene a écrit :

I saw a message from an XP user saying that he doesn't encounter the problem in XP.  I still use XP and I see the problem in Firefox, Chrome and Tapin Radio.

 

I didn't keep the message so I can't include it in the quoted previous messages.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2017 2:29 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] New windows not always detected

 

I have encountered it, too.

 

On 2/25/2017 8:51 AM, Felix G. wrote:

Hello,

I'd like to ask if anyone else has encountered the following:

When launching an application, for example by hitting enter on Mozilla Firefox on the desktop, NVDA sometimes fails to detect there is a new active window. It will not automatically say anything, and pressing NVDA+t will still yield "Explorer" as if the desktop still had focus. However, pressing tab clearly shows that Firefox had focus because it performs the expected action of jumping, for example, out of the address field and into the search field.

For an experiment I gave it a full five minutes to see if it just takes an awful lot of time, but no luck. So, window activation events seem under certain conditions to be able to pass under NVDA's radar.

It might be worth noting that I noticed this not long after a reboot and the dust might not have fully settled in terms of background tasks starting and stopping.

Kind regards,

Felix

 

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Re: New windows not always detected

Michel Such
 

Hi,


It seems it happens more often on relatively slow machines.


                    Michel SUCH

michel.such@...
Skype : michel.such
Twitter : @SuchMichel
Le 2017-02-25 à 09:32, Gene a écrit :

I saw a message from an XP user saying that he doesn't encounter the problem in XP.  I still use XP and I see the problem in Firefox, Chrome and Tapin Radio.
 
I didn't keep the message so I can't include it in the quoted previous messages.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2017 2:29 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New windows not always detected

I have encountered it, too.


On 2/25/2017 8:51 AM, Felix G. wrote:
Hello,
I'd like to ask if anyone else has encountered the following:
When launching an application, for example by hitting enter on Mozilla Firefox on the desktop, NVDA sometimes fails to detect there is a new active window. It will not automatically say anything, and pressing NVDA+t will still yield "Explorer" as if the desktop still had focus. However, pressing tab clearly shows that Firefox had focus because it performs the expected action of jumping, for example, out of the address field and into the search field.
For an experiment I gave it a full five minutes to see if it just takes an awful lot of time, but no luck. So, window activation events seem under certain conditions to be able to pass under NVDA's radar.
It might be worth noting that I noticed this not long after a reboot and the dust might not have fully settled in terms of background tasks starting and stopping.
Kind regards,
Felix


Virus-free. www.avast.com

Re: New windows not always detected

Gene
 

I saw a message from an XP user saying that he doesn't encounter the problem in XP.  I still use XP and I see the problem in Firefox, Chrome and Tapin Radio.
 
I didn't keep the message so I can't include it in the quoted previous messages.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2017 2:29 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New windows not always detected

I have encountered it, too.


On 2/25/2017 8:51 AM, Felix G. wrote:
Hello,
I'd like to ask if anyone else has encountered the following:
When launching an application, for example by hitting enter on Mozilla Firefox on the desktop, NVDA sometimes fails to detect there is a new active window. It will not automatically say anything, and pressing NVDA+t will still yield "Explorer" as if the desktop still had focus. However, pressing tab clearly shows that Firefox had focus because it performs the expected action of jumping, for example, out of the address field and into the search field.
For an experiment I gave it a full five minutes to see if it just takes an awful lot of time, but no luck. So, window activation events seem under certain conditions to be able to pass under NVDA's radar.
It might be worth noting that I noticed this not long after a reboot and the dust might not have fully settled in terms of background tasks starting and stopping.
Kind regards,
Felix


Virus-free. www.avast.com

Re: New windows not always detected

Gene
 

I've seen this but there is no reason to assume that focus has properly shifted in Windows,  Presssing tab may cause some event to occur that finishes the focus change.  I doubt this is an NVDA problem but whether it is or not, this can be tested by using another screen-reader to test with such as a JAWS demo. 
 
Also, those knowledgeable in reading the NVDA log may be able to determine if this is an NVDA problem by reading the log.  But the fact that the problem occurs in very few programs makes me somewhat skeptical that it is an NVDA problem.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Felix G.
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2017 1:51 AM
Subject: [nvda] New windows not always detected

Hello,
I'd like to ask if anyone else has encountered the following:
When launching an application, for example by hitting enter on Mozilla Firefox on the desktop, NVDA sometimes fails to detect there is a new active window. It will not automatically say anything, and pressing NVDA+t will still yield "Explorer" as if the desktop still had focus. However, pressing tab clearly shows that Firefox had focus because it performs the expected action of jumping, for example, out of the address field and into the search field.
For an experiment I gave it a full five minutes to see if it just takes an awful lot of time, but no luck. So, window activation events seem under certain conditions to be able to pass under NVDA's radar.
It might be worth noting that I noticed this not long after a reboot and the dust might not have fully settled in terms of background tasks starting and stopping.
Kind regards,
Felix