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Re: Accessible Application Updater

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 


Thank you. I really appreciate it.
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Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 8:15 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Application Updater

Here you go:
 
 
Dean
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 6:53 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Application Updater
 
Well, I know that, but I found that site quite confusing, not sure why, but, I did.
 
Have you got a more direct link to the download page?
---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Application Updater
 
I think filehippo.com

On 12/03/2017 22:22, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
> Where does one get the file hippo manager you speak of?
> ---
> Christopher Gilland
> Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
>
> http://www.gshministry.org
> (980) 500-9575
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     *From:* Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io
>     <mailto:the.big.white.shepherd@...>
>     *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>     *Sent:* Sunday, March 12, 2017 5:26 PM
>     *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Accessible Application Updater
>
>     fare point,   but then again the file hippo program is just the same I
>     think?
>
>     On 12/03/2017 10:25, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
>     > Like most of these though, it can only update apps that exist on
>     the site.
>     > In the real world many programs do have their own check for updates
>     > function now. The snag can be that the web site they route to is not
>     > accessible.
>     > Brian
>     >
>     > bglists@... <mailto:bglists@...>
>     > Sent via blueyonder.
>     > Please address personal email to:-
>     > briang1@... <mailto:briang1@...>,
>     putting 'Brian Gaff'
>     > in the display name field.
>     > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io"
>     > <the.big.white.shepherd@...
>     <mailto:the.big.white.shepherd@...>>
>     > To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
>     > Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2017 9:03 PM
>     > Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Application Updater
>     >
>     >
>     >> Ninite is good www.ninite.com <http://www.ninite.com> hope this
>     helps.
>     >>
>     >> On 11/03/2017 05:40, Lanie Molinar wrote:
>     >>> Hi. Does anyone know of a good app updater for Windows? I’ve
>     been using
>     >>> Filehippo App manager, but I was wondering if the if there was
>     anything
>     >>> better.
>     >>>
>     >>>
>     >>>
>     >>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
>     >>> Windows 10
>     >>>
>     >>>
>     >>>
>     >>>
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>
>
>


Re: Accessible Application Updater

Dean Masters <dwmasters15@...>
 

Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 6:53 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Application Updater
 
Well, I know that, but I found that site quite confusing, not sure why, but, I did.
 
Have you got a more direct link to the download page?
---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Application Updater
 
I think filehippo.com

On 12/03/2017 22:22, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
> Where does one get the file hippo manager you speak of?
> ---
> Christopher Gilland
> Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
>
> http://www.gshministry.org
> (980) 500-9575
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     *From:* Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io
>     <mailto:the.big.white.shepherd@...>
>     *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>     *Sent:* Sunday, March 12, 2017 5:26 PM
>     *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Accessible Application Updater
>
>     fare point,   but then again the file hippo program is just the same I
>     think?
>
>     On 12/03/2017 10:25, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
>     > Like most of these though, it can only update apps that exist on
>     the site.
>     > In the real world many programs do have their own check for updates
>     > function now. The snag can be that the web site they route to is not
>     > accessible.
>     > Brian
>     >
>     > bglists@... <mailto:bglists@...>
>     > Sent via blueyonder.
>     > Please address personal email to:-
>     > briang1@... <mailto:briang1@...>,
>     putting 'Brian Gaff'
>     > in the display name field.
>     > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io"
>     > <the.big.white.shepherd@...
>     <mailto:the.big.white.shepherd@...>>
>     > To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
>     > Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2017 9:03 PM
>     > Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Application Updater
>     >
>     >
>     >> Ninite is good www.ninite.com <http://www.ninite.com> hope this
>     helps.
>     >>
>     >> On 11/03/2017 05:40, Lanie Molinar wrote:
>     >>> Hi. Does anyone know of a good app updater for Windows? I’ve
>     been using
>     >>> Filehippo App manager, but I was wondering if the if there was
>     anything
>     >>> better.
>     >>>
>     >>>
>     >>>
>     >>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
>     >>> Windows 10
>     >>>
>     >>>
>     >>>
>     >>>
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>
>
>


Re: Your ChangeAlert for www.yourdomain.com

Gene
 

If you search in browse mode you can use the browse mode search command NVDA key f.
 

Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Your ChangeAlert for www.yourdomain.com

I just discovered something interesting. The message starts with browse mode off, if I press NVDA-space it turns browse mode on and the message works. So, for some reason the message doesn’t turn browse mode on like it should.

 

Is there a way to search in a message in outlook like NVDA-ctrl-f does on a web page?

Thanks,

Sam

 

Sam Bushman

LibertyRoundTable.com

801-756-9133

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 11:33 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Your ChangeAlert for www.yourdomain.com

 

I don't know how you might do it.  As I said, you need to forward it to yourself so that you can see what happens without it being sent to the list. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Sam Bushman

Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 12:25 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Your ChangeAlert for www.yourdomain.com

 

Hi Gene,

 

Great point, I can read the message that came from the list just fine. That is the same as a forward.

We now need to see how I can get the message to others to test in its original state.

Any ideas?

 

Thanks,

 

Sam Bushman

LibertyRoundTable.com

801-756-9133

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 11:16 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Your ChangeAlert for www.yourdomain.com

 

Also, I don't think forwarding the message would change it but I would suggest forwarding it to yourself.  We need to rule out the possibility that the original doesn't read properly in your program using NVDA but the forward may for some reason.  there are too many unknown variables to draw even tentative conclusions now.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Sam Bushman

Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 11:46 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Your ChangeAlert for www.yourdomain.com

 

Hi Jene,

 

I can read it in other ways. I can read it just fine in Window Eyes. Because of my email others have now confirmed they can read it in thunderbird.

I don’t want to change to text email because then links and other formatting become broken when we do that.

Meaning it stripps photos etc. if you forward those emails to others you have completely destroyed the look/feel of a message.

 

My main goal is to provide duplicatable results that might help improve NVDA’s ability to deal with such content.

 

Thanks,

Sam

 

Sam Bushman

LibertyRoundTable.com

801-756-9133

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 10:42 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Your ChangeAlert for www.yourdomain.com

 

Yes.  Try reading it in other ways.  I don't use Outlook but as I recall, there is an option to read the message in a browser.  You may also be reading mail as html.  If you change to read messages in plain text, you may be able to read it.  I don't know if this is still the case, but for quite some time, some html messages weren't read correctly in Outlook for technical reasons. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Sam Bushman

Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 11:00 AM

Subject: [nvda] Your ChangeAlert for www.yourdomain.com

 

Hi All,

 

Can you read the below message with ease?

I can’t read it in outlook live 365 for business …

 

Thanks for checking on this for me.

 

 

From: CodeGuard Team [mailto:notifications@...]
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 1:08 AM
Subject: Your ChangeAlert for www.tetonsports.com

 

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Re: Accessible Application Updater

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 


Well, I know that, but I found that site quite confusing, not sure why, but, I did.
 
Have you got a more direct link to the download page?
---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Application Updater

I think filehippo.com

On 12/03/2017 22:22, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
> Where does one get the file hippo manager you speak of?
> ---
> Christopher Gilland
> Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
>
> http://www.gshministry.org
> (980) 500-9575
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     *From:* Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io
>     <mailto:the.big.white.shepherd@...>
>     *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>     *Sent:* Sunday, March 12, 2017 5:26 PM
>     *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Accessible Application Updater
>
>     fare point,   but then again the file hippo program is just the same I
>     think?
>
>     On 12/03/2017 10:25, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
>     > Like most of these though, it can only update apps that exist on
>     the site.
>     > In the real world many programs do have their own check for updates
>     > function now. The snag can be that the web site they route to is not
>     > accessible.
>     > Brian
>     >
>     > bglists@... <mailto:bglists@...>
>     > Sent via blueyonder.
>     > Please address personal email to:-
>     > briang1@... <mailto:briang1@...>,
>     putting 'Brian Gaff'
>     > in the display name field.
>     > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io"
>     > <the.big.white.shepherd@...
>     <mailto:the.big.white.shepherd@...>>
>     > To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
>     > Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2017 9:03 PM
>     > Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Application Updater
>     >
>     >
>     >> Ninite is good www.ninite.com <http://www.ninite.com> hope this
>     helps.
>     >>
>     >> On 11/03/2017 05:40, Lanie Molinar wrote:
>     >>> Hi. Does anyone know of a good app updater for Windows? I’ve
>     been using
>     >>> Filehippo App manager, but I was wondering if the if there was
>     anything
>     >>> better.
>     >>>
>     >>>
>     >>>
>     >>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
>     >>> Windows 10
>     >>>
>     >>>
>     >>>
>     >>>
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>
>
>


Re: Accessible Application Updater

Kevin Cussick
 

I think filehippo.com

On 12/03/2017 22:22, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
Where does one get the file hippo manager you speak of?
---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries

http://www.gshministry.org
(980) 500-9575

----- Original Message -----
*From:* Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io
<mailto:the.big.white.shepherd=googlemail.com@groups.io>
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Sent:* Sunday, March 12, 2017 5:26 PM
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Accessible Application Updater

fare point, but then again the file hippo program is just the same I
think?

On 12/03/2017 10:25, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
> Like most of these though, it can only update apps that exist on
the site.
> In the real world many programs do have their own check for updates
> function now. The snag can be that the web site they route to is not
> accessible.
> Brian
>
> bglists@... <mailto:bglists@...>
> Sent via blueyonder.
> Please address personal email to:-
> briang1@... <mailto:briang1@...>,
putting 'Brian Gaff'
> in the display name field.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io"
> <the.big.white.shepherd=googlemail.com@groups.io
<mailto:the.big.white.shepherd=googlemail.com@groups.io>>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
> Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2017 9:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Application Updater
>
>
>> Ninite is good www.ninite.com <http://www.ninite.com> hope this
helps.
>>
>> On 11/03/2017 05:40, Lanie Molinar wrote:
>>> Hi. Does anyone know of a good app updater for Windows? I’ve
been using
>>> Filehippo App manager, but I was wondering if the if there was
anything
>>> better.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
>>> Windows 10
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>


Re: Accessible Application Updater

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 


Where does one get the file hippo manager you speak of?
---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 5:26 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Application Updater

fare point,   but then again the file hippo program is just the same I
think?

On 12/03/2017 10:25, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
> Like most of these though, it can only update apps that exist on the site.
> In the real world many programs do have their own check for updates
> function now. The snag can be that the web site they route to is not
> accessible.
> Brian
>
> bglists@...
> Sent via blueyonder.
> Please address personal email to:-
> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
> in the display name field.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io"
> <the.big.white.shepherd@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2017 9:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Application Updater
>
>
>> Ninite is good www.ninite.com hope this helps.
>>
>> On 11/03/2017 05:40, Lanie Molinar wrote:
>>> Hi. Does anyone know of a good app updater for Windows? I’ve been using
>>> Filehippo App manager, but I was wondering if the if there was anything
>>> better.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
>>> Windows 10
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>


Re: Accessible Application Updater

Kevin Cussick
 

fare point, but then again the file hippo program is just the same I think?

On 12/03/2017 10:25, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
Like most of these though, it can only update apps that exist on the site.
In the real world many programs do have their own check for updates
function now. The snag can be that the web site they route to is not
accessible.
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io"
<the.big.white.shepherd=googlemail.com@groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2017 9:03 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Application Updater


Ninite is good www.ninite.com hope this helps.

On 11/03/2017 05:40, Lanie Molinar wrote:
Hi. Does anyone know of a good app updater for Windows? I’ve been using
Filehippo App manager, but I was wondering if the if there was anything
better.



Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
Windows 10





Re: Eloquence delay after launching NVDA.

Arlene
 

It also depends on your system as well. I hope I’m wrong!  For some Elequence may respond quickly while for some it’s slow to respond!  I have it in jaws 14 and I use E speak for NVDA.  Now, Mind you I don’t have Jaws 18 but if it responds no problem then you may have a good system.  I could be lying! 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: March-12-17 11:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence delay after launching NVDA.

 

I am sorry you have problems with Jaws also. Jaws 18 is fine for me at this end.

 

There is a known issue with Code Factory Eloquence  with NVDA.

I have seen several complaints from NVDA users on other lists than this which complain of the extreme delay with NVDA loading with Code Factory Eloquence. This caused some to recommend using the illegal NVDA Eloquence addon  as an alternative which drew an angry response from the person retailing Code Factory Eloquence in this country.

 

If was from this person retailing the Code Factory product in this country that I learnt the tip of amending sound properties in the Control Panel  as a partial  solution to the slow loading. He in turn had got this advice from Code Factry as I understand it.

 

Presumably as not all people have the same configurations in their Sound Control Panel applet  the  experience of people experiencing this delay may well vary.

 

David Griffith

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: matthew dyer
Sent: 12 March 2017 18:27
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence delay after launching NVDA.

 

Hi,

 

Using jfw 18 with elequence, I have this problem sop I don't think this is an NVDA problem.  JMT.

 

Matthew

 

 

 

On 03/12/2017 06:42 AM, David Griffith wrote:

 

Yes I have had this issue of extreme delayed start up along with the additional issue of NVDA and eloquence freezing in large  File Explorer windows.

 

This does not happen with the  illegal versions of Eloquence which is disappointing from a a Code Factory quality point of view.

 

I managed to improve matters  to some degree by going into the Sound Properties in Windows Control Panel, selecting my default sound device and turning off all the fancy affects like surround sound and just selecting just basic stereo as my output format.

 

This has had the affect of slightly diminishing the funkier music output from my PC but I am not now waiting upt to a minute  or more for NVDA to load.

 

I still get the problem of NVDA not responding with large file explorer windows  but what I have learnt is that if you turn Narrator on with Windows Enter temporarily you can navigate your file lists fine until NVDA wakes up and starts responding again. I just turn Narrator off when NVDA finally catches up.

 

David Griffith

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Darrell Shandrow Hilliker
Sent: 12 March 2017 10:16
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Eloquence delay after launching NVDA.

 

Hello Everyone,

 

I am experiencing a significant delay after launching NVDA with Code Factory’s Eloquence implementation selected as the speech synthesizer.

 

I am running on Windows 10.

 

Does anyone else experience this issue and, if so, what steps have resolved this issue?

 

Thanks,

 

Darrell

 

 

 

 

Re: Eloquence delay after launching NVDA.

Simon Jaeger
 

The way I see it, code factory's eloquence uses the same Eloquence DLL with the same product; it just does it in a more hacky and less reliable way. So if you pay for code factory Eloquence, you've legally licensed your copy; and if you use the unofficial Eloquence, you have stability and you can honestly say you've paid for it. I'm sure that's not how the law sees it, but it's just  my thoughts. I personally find that the code factory one is less reliable as well.


On 2017-03-12 11:49, David Griffith wrote:

I am sorry you have problems with Jaws also. Jaws 18 is fine for me at this end.

 

There is a known issue with Code Factory Eloquence  with NVDA.

I have seen several complaints from NVDA users on other lists than this which complain of the extreme delay with NVDA loading with Code Factory Eloquence. This caused some to recommend using the illegal NVDA Eloquence addon  as an alternative which drew an angry response from the person retailing Code Factory Eloquence in this country.

 

If was from this person retailing the Code Factory product in this country that I learnt the tip of amending sound properties in the Control Panel  as a partial  solution to the slow loading. He in turn had got this advice from Code Factry as I understand it.

 

Presumably as not all people have the same configurations in their Sound Control Panel applet  the  experience of people experiencing this delay may well vary.

 

David Griffith

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: matthew dyer
Sent: 12 March 2017 18:27
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence delay after launching NVDA.

 

Hi,

 

Using jfw 18 with elequence, I have this problem sop I don't think this is an NVDA problem.  JMT.

 

Matthew

 

 

 

On 03/12/2017 06:42 AM, David Griffith wrote:

 

Yes I have had this issue of extreme delayed start up along with the additional issue of NVDA and eloquence freezing in large  File Explorer windows.

 

This does not happen with the  illegal versions of Eloquence which is disappointing from a a Code Factory quality point of view.

 

I managed to improve matters  to some degree by going into the Sound Properties in Windows Control Panel, selecting my default sound device and turning off all the fancy affects like surround sound and just selecting just basic stereo as my output format.

 

This has had the affect of slightly diminishing the funkier music output from my PC but I am not now waiting upt to a minute  or more for NVDA to load.

 

I still get the problem of NVDA not responding with large file explorer windows  but what I have learnt is that if you turn Narrator on with Windows Enter temporarily you can navigate your file lists fine until NVDA wakes up and starts responding again. I just turn Narrator off when NVDA finally catches up.

 

David Griffith

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Darrell Shandrow Hilliker
Sent: 12 March 2017 10:16
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Eloquence delay after launching NVDA.

 

Hello Everyone,

 

I am experiencing a significant delay after launching NVDA with Code Factory’s Eloquence implementation selected as the speech synthesizer.

 

I am running on Windows 10.

 

Does anyone else experience this issue and, if so, what steps have resolved this issue?

 

Thanks,

 

Darrell

 

 

 

 


Re: Eloquence delay after launching NVDA.

David Griffith
 

I am sorry you have problems with Jaws also. Jaws 18 is fine for me at this end.

 

There is a known issue with Code Factory Eloquence  with NVDA.

I have seen several complaints from NVDA users on other lists than this which complain of the extreme delay with NVDA loading with Code Factory Eloquence. This caused some to recommend using the illegal NVDA Eloquence addon  as an alternative which drew an angry response from the person retailing Code Factory Eloquence in this country.

 

If was from this person retailing the Code Factory product in this country that I learnt the tip of amending sound properties in the Control Panel  as a partial  solution to the slow loading. He in turn had got this advice from Code Factry as I understand it.

 

Presumably as not all people have the same configurations in their Sound Control Panel applet  the  experience of people experiencing this delay may well vary.

 

David Griffith

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: matthew dyer
Sent: 12 March 2017 18:27
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence delay after launching NVDA.

 

Hi,

 

Using jfw 18 with elequence, I have this problem sop I don't think this is an NVDA problem.  JMT.

 

Matthew

 

 

 

On 03/12/2017 06:42 AM, David Griffith wrote:

 

Yes I have had this issue of extreme delayed start up along with the additional issue of NVDA and eloquence freezing in large  File Explorer windows.

 

This does not happen with the  illegal versions of Eloquence which is disappointing from a a Code Factory quality point of view.

 

I managed to improve matters  to some degree by going into the Sound Properties in Windows Control Panel, selecting my default sound device and turning off all the fancy affects like surround sound and just selecting just basic stereo as my output format.

 

This has had the affect of slightly diminishing the funkier music output from my PC but I am not now waiting upt to a minute  or more for NVDA to load.

 

I still get the problem of NVDA not responding with large file explorer windows  but what I have learnt is that if you turn Narrator on with Windows Enter temporarily you can navigate your file lists fine until NVDA wakes up and starts responding again. I just turn Narrator off when NVDA finally catches up.

 

David Griffith

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Darrell Shandrow Hilliker
Sent: 12 March 2017 10:16
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Eloquence delay after launching NVDA.

 

Hello Everyone,

 

I am experiencing a significant delay after launching NVDA with Code Factory’s Eloquence implementation selected as the speech synthesizer.

 

I am running on Windows 10.

 

Does anyone else experience this issue and, if so, what steps have resolved this issue?

 

Thanks,

 

Darrell

 

 

 

 

Re: Eloquence delay after launching NVDA.

Arlene
 

Oh! do you think it’s a synth problem? That eloquence is used in NVDA and Jaws. 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of matthew dyer
Sent: March-12-17 11:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence delay after launching NVDA.

 

Hi,

 

Using jfw 18 with elequence, I have this problem sop I don't think this is an NVDA problem.  JMT.

 

Matthew

 

 

 

On 03/12/2017 06:42 AM, David Griffith wrote:

 

Yes I have had this issue of extreme delayed start up along with the additional issue of NVDA and eloquence freezing in large  File Explorer windows.

 

This does not happen with the  illegal versions of Eloquence which is disappointing from a a Code Factory quality point of view.

 

I managed to improve matters  to some degree by going into the Sound Properties in Windows Control Panel, selecting my default sound device and turning off all the fancy affects like surround sound and just selecting just basic stereo as my output format.

 

This has had the affect of slightly diminishing the funkier music output from my PC but I am not now waiting upt to a minute  or more for NVDA to load.

 

I still get the problem of NVDA not responding with large file explorer windows  but what I have learnt is that if you turn Narrator on with Windows Enter temporarily you can navigate your file lists fine until NVDA wakes up and starts responding again. I just turn Narrator off when NVDA finally catches up.

 

David Griffith

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Darrell Shandrow Hilliker
Sent: 12 March 2017 10:16
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Eloquence delay after launching NVDA.

 

Hello Everyone,

 

I am experiencing a significant delay after launching NVDA with Code Factory’s Eloquence implementation selected as the speech synthesizer.

 

I am running on Windows 10.

 

Does anyone else experience this issue and, if so, what steps have resolved this issue?

 

Thanks,

 

Darrell

 

 

 

Re: Eloquence delay after launching NVDA.

matthew dyer
 

Hi,


Using jfw 18 with elequence, I have this problem sop I don't think this is an NVDA problem.  JMT.


Matthew




On 03/12/2017 06:42 AM, David Griffith wrote:

 

Yes I have had this issue of extreme delayed start up along with the additional issue of NVDA and eloquence freezing in large  File Explorer windows.

 

This does not happen with the  illegal versions of Eloquence which is disappointing from a a Code Factory quality point of view.

 

I managed to improve matters  to some degree by going into the Sound Properties in Windows Control Panel, selecting my default sound device and turning off all the fancy affects like surround sound and just selecting just basic stereo as my output format.

 

This has had the affect of slightly diminishing the funkier music output from my PC but I am not now waiting upt to a minute  or more for NVDA to load.

 

I still get the problem of NVDA not responding with large file explorer windows  but what I have learnt is that if you turn Narrator on with Windows Enter temporarily you can navigate your file lists fine until NVDA wakes up and starts responding again. I just turn Narrator off when NVDA finally catches up.

 

David Griffith

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Darrell Shandrow Hilliker
Sent: 12 March 2017 10:16
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Eloquence delay after launching NVDA.

 

Hello Everyone,

 

I am experiencing a significant delay after launching NVDA with Code Factory’s Eloquence implementation selected as the speech synthesizer.

 

I am running on Windows 10.

 

Does anyone else experience this issue and, if so, what steps have resolved this issue?

 

Thanks,

 

Darrell

 

 


Re: Your ChangeAlert for www.yourdomain.com

Sam Bushman
 

I just discovered something interesting. The message starts with browse mode off, if I press NVDA-space it turns browse mode on and the message works. So, for some reason the message doesn’t turn browse mode on like it should.

 

Is there a way to search in a message in outlook like NVDA-ctrl-f does on a web page?

Thanks,

Sam

 

Sam Bushman

LibertyRoundTable.com

801-756-9133

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 11:33 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Your ChangeAlert for www.yourdomain.com

 

I don't know how you might do it.  As I said, you need to forward it to yourself so that you can see what happens without it being sent to the list. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 12:25 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Your ChangeAlert for www.yourdomain.com

 

Hi Gene,

 

Great point, I can read the message that came from the list just fine. That is the same as a forward.

We now need to see how I can get the message to others to test in its original state.

Any ideas?

 

Thanks,

 

Sam Bushman

LibertyRoundTable.com

801-756-9133

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 11:16 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Your ChangeAlert for www.yourdomain.com

 

Also, I don't think forwarding the message would change it but I would suggest forwarding it to yourself.  We need to rule out the possibility that the original doesn't read properly in your program using NVDA but the forward may for some reason.  there are too many unknown variables to draw even tentative conclusions now.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 11:46 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Your ChangeAlert for www.yourdomain.com

 

Hi Jene,

 

I can read it in other ways. I can read it just fine in Window Eyes. Because of my email others have now confirmed they can read it in thunderbird.

I don’t want to change to text email because then links and other formatting become broken when we do that.

Meaning it stripps photos etc. if you forward those emails to others you have completely destroyed the look/feel of a message.

 

My main goal is to provide duplicatable results that might help improve NVDA’s ability to deal with such content.

 

Thanks,

Sam

 

Sam Bushman

LibertyRoundTable.com

801-756-9133

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 10:42 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Your ChangeAlert for www.yourdomain.com

 

Yes.  Try reading it in other ways.  I don't use Outlook but as I recall, there is an option to read the message in a browser.  You may also be reading mail as html.  If you change to read messages in plain text, you may be able to read it.  I don't know if this is still the case, but for quite some time, some html messages weren't read correctly in Outlook for technical reasons. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 11:00 AM

Subject: [nvda] Your ChangeAlert for www.yourdomain.com

 

Hi All,

 

Can you read the below message with ease?

I can’t read it in outlook live 365 for business …

 

Thanks for checking on this for me.

 

 

From: CodeGuard Team [mailto:notifications@...]
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 1:08 AM
Subject: Your ChangeAlert for www.tetonsports.com

 

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Re: Your ChangeAlert for www.yourdomain.com

Gene
 

I don't know how you might do it.  As I said, you need to forward it to yourself so that you can see what happens without it being sent to the list. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 12:25 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Your ChangeAlert for www.yourdomain.com

Hi Gene,

 

Great point, I can read the message that came from the list just fine. That is the same as a forward.

We now need to see how I can get the message to others to test in its original state.

Any ideas?

 

Thanks,

 

Sam Bushman

LibertyRoundTable.com

801-756-9133

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 11:16 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Your ChangeAlert for www.yourdomain.com

 

Also, I don't think forwarding the message would change it but I would suggest forwarding it to yourself.  We need to rule out the possibility that the original doesn't read properly in your program using NVDA but the forward may for some reason.  there are too many unknown variables to draw even tentative conclusions now.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Sam Bushman

Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 11:46 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Your ChangeAlert for www.yourdomain.com

 

Hi Jene,

 

I can read it in other ways. I can read it just fine in Window Eyes. Because of my email others have now confirmed they can read it in thunderbird.

I don’t want to change to text email because then links and other formatting become broken when we do that.

Meaning it stripps photos etc. if you forward those emails to others you have completely destroyed the look/feel of a message.

 

My main goal is to provide duplicatable results that might help improve NVDA’s ability to deal with such content.

 

Thanks,

Sam

 

Sam Bushman

LibertyRoundTable.com

801-756-9133

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 10:42 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Your ChangeAlert for www.yourdomain.com

 

Yes.  Try reading it in other ways.  I don't use Outlook but as I recall, there is an option to read the message in a browser.  You may also be reading mail as html.  If you change to read messages in plain text, you may be able to read it.  I don't know if this is still the case, but for quite some time, some html messages weren't read correctly in Outlook for technical reasons. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Sam Bushman

Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 11:00 AM

Subject: [nvda] Your ChangeAlert for www.yourdomain.com

 

Hi All,

 

Can you read the below message with ease?

I can’t read it in outlook live 365 for business …

 

Thanks for checking on this for me.

 

 

From: CodeGuard Team [mailto:notifications@...]
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 1:08 AM
Subject: Your ChangeAlert for www.tetonsports.com

 

Logo

ChangeAlert Summary

Below are changes we detected for www.tetonsports.com on Sunday, March 12, 2017. Full reports can be found in your dashboard.

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Re: Your ChangeAlert for www.yourdomain.com

Gene
 

I can read it as html in the old version of Windows Live Mail. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 12:20 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Your ChangeAlert for www.yourdomain.com

Hi Gene,

 

That is correct, so, we need testers to read in outlook / office 365 latest version like I stated I was doing.

We need to have them use html as to do our best to duplicate and see what happens. If they get the same results then we can have a duplicatable experience.

Now that we know reading in just text works we can safely say that is not part of the discussion. Now that we hear it works in thunderbird then next step is to see if the tester was using html.

We need to narrow down the details and work on a duplicatable example that then can be resolved.

 

Can you please test in html mode to see what happens to you?

 

Thanks for all your help.

Sam

 

 

Sam Bushman

LibertyRoundTable.com

801-756-9133

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 11:10 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Your ChangeAlert for www.yourdomain.com

 

we don't know if there is a general problem with NVDA.  There are too many variables.  Each person who reads the message must be reading mail as html.  We need reports from people who are doing so and who are using different e-mail programs, including yours.  We know that one person saw the message using Thunderbird.  We don't know if the person was reading mail as html.  I read the message using Windows Live Mail but I wasn't reading mail as html.  Conditions must be duplicated in such a test.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Sam Bushman

Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 11:46 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Your ChangeAlert for www.yourdomain.com

 

Hi Jene,

 

I can read it in other ways. I can read it just fine in Window Eyes. Because of my email others have now confirmed they can read it in thunderbird.

I don’t want to change to text email because then links and other formatting become broken when we do that.

Meaning it stripps photos etc. if you forward those emails to others you have completely destroyed the look/feel of a message.

 

My main goal is to provide duplicatable results that might help improve NVDA’s ability to deal with such content.

 

Thanks,

Sam

 

Sam Bushman

LibertyRoundTable.com

801-756-9133

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 10:42 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Your ChangeAlert for www.yourdomain.com

 

Yes.  Try reading it in other ways.  I don't use Outlook but as I recall, there is an option to read the message in a browser.  You may also be reading mail as html.  If you change to read messages in plain text, you may be able to read it.  I don't know if this is still the case, but for quite some time, some html messages weren't read correctly in Outlook for technical reasons. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Sam Bushman

Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 11:00 AM

Subject: [nvda] Your ChangeAlert for www.yourdomain.com

 

Hi All,

 

Can you read the below message with ease?

I can’t read it in outlook live 365 for business …

 

Thanks for checking on this for me.

 

 

From: CodeGuard Team [mailto:notifications@...]
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 1:08 AM
Subject: Your ChangeAlert for www.tetonsports.com

 

Logo

ChangeAlert Summary

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Re: Your ChangeAlert for www.yourdomain.com

Sam Bushman
 

Hi Gene,

 

Great point, I can read the message that came from the list just fine. That is the same as a forward.

We now need to see how I can get the message to others to test in its original state.

Any ideas?

 

Thanks,

 

Sam Bushman

LibertyRoundTable.com

801-756-9133

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 11:16 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Your ChangeAlert for www.yourdomain.com

 

Also, I don't think forwarding the message would change it but I would suggest forwarding it to yourself.  We need to rule out the possibility that the original doesn't read properly in your program using NVDA but the forward may for some reason.  there are too many unknown variables to draw even tentative conclusions now.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 11:46 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Your ChangeAlert for www.yourdomain.com

 

Hi Jene,

 

I can read it in other ways. I can read it just fine in Window Eyes. Because of my email others have now confirmed they can read it in thunderbird.

I don’t want to change to text email because then links and other formatting become broken when we do that.

Meaning it stripps photos etc. if you forward those emails to others you have completely destroyed the look/feel of a message.

 

My main goal is to provide duplicatable results that might help improve NVDA’s ability to deal with such content.

 

Thanks,

Sam

 

Sam Bushman

LibertyRoundTable.com

801-756-9133

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 10:42 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Your ChangeAlert for www.yourdomain.com

 

Yes.  Try reading it in other ways.  I don't use Outlook but as I recall, there is an option to read the message in a browser.  You may also be reading mail as html.  If you change to read messages in plain text, you may be able to read it.  I don't know if this is still the case, but for quite some time, some html messages weren't read correctly in Outlook for technical reasons. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 11:00 AM

Subject: [nvda] Your ChangeAlert for www.yourdomain.com

 

Hi All,

 

Can you read the below message with ease?

I can’t read it in outlook live 365 for business …

 

Thanks for checking on this for me.

 

 

From: CodeGuard Team [mailto:notifications@...]
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 1:08 AM
Subject: Your ChangeAlert for www.tetonsports.com

 

Logo

ChangeAlert Summary

Below are changes we detected for www.tetonsports.com on Sunday, March 12, 2017. Full reports can be found in your dashboard.

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1

1677

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Re: Your ChangeAlert for www.yourdomain.com

Sam Bushman
 

Hi Gene,

 

That is correct, so, we need testers to read in outlook / office 365 latest version like I stated I was doing.

We need to have them use html as to do our best to duplicate and see what happens. If they get the same results then we can have a duplicatable experience.

Now that we know reading in just text works we can safely say that is not part of the discussion. Now that we hear it works in thunderbird then next step is to see if the tester was using html.

We need to narrow down the details and work on a duplicatable example that then can be resolved.

 

Can you please test in html mode to see what happens to you?

 

Thanks for all your help.

Sam

 

 

Sam Bushman

LibertyRoundTable.com

801-756-9133

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 11:10 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Your ChangeAlert for www.yourdomain.com

 

we don't know if there is a general problem with NVDA.  There are too many variables.  Each person who reads the message must be reading mail as html.  We need reports from people who are doing so and who are using different e-mail programs, including yours.  We know that one person saw the message using Thunderbird.  We don't know if the person was reading mail as html.  I read the message using Windows Live Mail but I wasn't reading mail as html.  Conditions must be duplicated in such a test.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 11:46 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Your ChangeAlert for www.yourdomain.com

 

Hi Jene,

 

I can read it in other ways. I can read it just fine in Window Eyes. Because of my email others have now confirmed they can read it in thunderbird.

I don’t want to change to text email because then links and other formatting become broken when we do that.

Meaning it stripps photos etc. if you forward those emails to others you have completely destroyed the look/feel of a message.

 

My main goal is to provide duplicatable results that might help improve NVDA’s ability to deal with such content.

 

Thanks,

Sam

 

Sam Bushman

LibertyRoundTable.com

801-756-9133

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 10:42 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Your ChangeAlert for www.yourdomain.com

 

Yes.  Try reading it in other ways.  I don't use Outlook but as I recall, there is an option to read the message in a browser.  You may also be reading mail as html.  If you change to read messages in plain text, you may be able to read it.  I don't know if this is still the case, but for quite some time, some html messages weren't read correctly in Outlook for technical reasons. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 11:00 AM

Subject: [nvda] Your ChangeAlert for www.yourdomain.com

 

Hi All,

 

Can you read the below message with ease?

I can’t read it in outlook live 365 for business …

 

Thanks for checking on this for me.

 

 

From: CodeGuard Team [mailto:notifications@...]
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 1:08 AM
Subject: Your ChangeAlert for www.tetonsports.com

 

Logo

ChangeAlert Summary

Below are changes we detected for www.tetonsports.com on Sunday, March 12, 2017. Full reports can be found in your dashboard.

Backup Total

Total Files Added

Total Files Changed

Total Files Deleted

1

1677

0

Overview

Static Files: 540 total file additions, changes, and deletions

File Type

Additions

Changes

Deletions

.html

0

1

0

.css

0

203

0

.js

0

335

0

.htaccess

0

1

0

Dynamic Files: 702 total file additions, changes, and deletions

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.php

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702

0

.rb

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0

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.asp

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  2. /httpdocs/hikerchat/readme.html Report Positive ChangeReport Negative Change
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0

184

0

Videos

0

4

0

Other

1

247

0

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Re: Your ChangeAlert for www.yourdomain.com

Gene
 

Also, I don't think forwarding the message would change it but I would suggest forwarding it to yourself.  We need to rule out the possibility that the original doesn't read properly in your program using NVDA but the forward may for some reason.  there are too many unknown variables to draw even tentative conclusions now.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Your ChangeAlert for www.yourdomain.com

Hi Jene,

 

I can read it in other ways. I can read it just fine in Window Eyes. Because of my email others have now confirmed they can read it in thunderbird.

I don’t want to change to text email because then links and other formatting become broken when we do that.

Meaning it stripps photos etc. if you forward those emails to others you have completely destroyed the look/feel of a message.

 

My main goal is to provide duplicatable results that might help improve NVDA’s ability to deal with such content.

 

Thanks,

Sam

 

Sam Bushman

LibertyRoundTable.com

801-756-9133

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 10:42 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Your ChangeAlert for www.yourdomain.com

 

Yes.  Try reading it in other ways.  I don't use Outlook but as I recall, there is an option to read the message in a browser.  You may also be reading mail as html.  If you change to read messages in plain text, you may be able to read it.  I don't know if this is still the case, but for quite some time, some html messages weren't read correctly in Outlook for technical reasons. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Sam Bushman

Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 11:00 AM

Subject: [nvda] Your ChangeAlert for www.yourdomain.com

 

Hi All,

 

Can you read the below message with ease?

I can’t read it in outlook live 365 for business …

 

Thanks for checking on this for me.

 

 

From: CodeGuard Team [mailto:notifications@...]
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 1:08 AM
Subject: Your ChangeAlert for www.tetonsports.com

 

Logo

ChangeAlert Summary

Below are changes we detected for www.tetonsports.com on Sunday, March 12, 2017. Full reports can be found in your dashboard.

Backup Total

Total Files Added

Total Files Changed

Total Files Deleted

1

1677

0

Overview

Static Files: 540 total file additions, changes, and deletions

File Type

Additions

Changes

Deletions

.html

0

1

0

.css

0

203

0

.js

0

335

0

.htaccess

0

1

0

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702

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.rb

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0

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  1. /httpdocs/hikerchat/index.php Report Positive ChangeReport Negative Change
  2. /httpdocs/hikerchat/readme.html Report Positive ChangeReport Negative Change
  3. /httpdocs/hikerchat/wp-activate.php Report Positive ChangeReport Negative Change
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  9. /httpdocs/hikerchat/wp-admin/admin-post.php Report Positive ChangeReport Negative Change
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Images

0

184

0

Videos

0

4

0

Other

1

247

0

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Re: Your ChangeAlert for www.yourdomain.com

Gene
 

we don't know if there is a general problem with NVDA.  There are too many variables.  Each person who reads the message must be reading mail as html.  We need reports from people who are doing so and who are using different e-mail programs, including yours.  We know that one person saw the message using Thunderbird.  We don't know if the person was reading mail as html.  I read the message using Windows Live Mail but I wasn't reading mail as html.  Conditions must be duplicated in such a test.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Your ChangeAlert for www.yourdomain.com

Hi Jene,

 

I can read it in other ways. I can read it just fine in Window Eyes. Because of my email others have now confirmed they can read it in thunderbird.

I don’t want to change to text email because then links and other formatting become broken when we do that.

Meaning it stripps photos etc. if you forward those emails to others you have completely destroyed the look/feel of a message.

 

My main goal is to provide duplicatable results that might help improve NVDA’s ability to deal with such content.

 

Thanks,

Sam

 

Sam Bushman

LibertyRoundTable.com

801-756-9133

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 10:42 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Your ChangeAlert for www.yourdomain.com

 

Yes.  Try reading it in other ways.  I don't use Outlook but as I recall, there is an option to read the message in a browser.  You may also be reading mail as html.  If you change to read messages in plain text, you may be able to read it.  I don't know if this is still the case, but for quite some time, some html messages weren't read correctly in Outlook for technical reasons. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Sam Bushman

Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 11:00 AM

Subject: [nvda] Your ChangeAlert for www.yourdomain.com

 

Hi All,

 

Can you read the below message with ease?

I can’t read it in outlook live 365 for business …

 

Thanks for checking on this for me.

 

 

From: CodeGuard Team [mailto:notifications@...]
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 1:08 AM
Subject: Your ChangeAlert for www.tetonsports.com

 

Logo

ChangeAlert Summary

Below are changes we detected for www.tetonsports.com on Sunday, March 12, 2017. Full reports can be found in your dashboard.

Backup Total

Total Files Added

Total Files Changed

Total Files Deleted

1

1677

0

Overview

Static Files: 540 total file additions, changes, and deletions

File Type

Additions

Changes

Deletions

.html

0

1

0

.css

0

203

0

.js

0

335

0

.htaccess

0

1

0

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Deletions

.php

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702

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.rb

0

0

0

.asp

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0

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.jsp

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When a file addition, modification or deletion is detected, you can tell us whether this was an expected change () or the change was suspicious (). This feedback is added to our malware engine for deeper analysis. Your participation may help discover new infections, vulnerabilities and zero-day attacks that impact your websites as well as others protected by this service.

  1. /httpdocs/hikerchat/index.php Report Positive ChangeReport Negative Change
  2. /httpdocs/hikerchat/readme.html Report Positive ChangeReport Negative Change
  3. /httpdocs/hikerchat/wp-activate.php Report Positive ChangeReport Negative Change
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  11. and 1232 more

 

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File Type

Additions

Changes

Deletions

Images

0

184

0

Videos

0

4

0

Other

1

247

0

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Re: Your ChangeAlert for www.yourdomain.com

Sam Bushman
 

Hi Jene,

 

I can read it in other ways. I can read it just fine in Window Eyes. Because of my email others have now confirmed they can read it in thunderbird.

I don’t want to change to text email because then links and other formatting become broken when we do that.

Meaning it stripps photos etc. if you forward those emails to others you have completely destroyed the look/feel of a message.

 

My main goal is to provide duplicatable results that might help improve NVDA’s ability to deal with such content.

 

Thanks,

Sam

 

Sam Bushman

LibertyRoundTable.com

801-756-9133

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 10:42 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Your ChangeAlert for www.yourdomain.com

 

Yes.  Try reading it in other ways.  I don't use Outlook but as I recall, there is an option to read the message in a browser.  You may also be reading mail as html.  If you change to read messages in plain text, you may be able to read it.  I don't know if this is still the case, but for quite some time, some html messages weren't read correctly in Outlook for technical reasons. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 11:00 AM

Subject: [nvda] Your ChangeAlert for www.yourdomain.com

 

Hi All,

 

Can you read the below message with ease?

I can’t read it in outlook live 365 for business …

 

Thanks for checking on this for me.

 

 

From: CodeGuard Team [mailto:notifications@...]
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 1:08 AM
Subject: Your ChangeAlert for www.tetonsports.com

 

Logo

ChangeAlert Summary

Below are changes we detected for www.tetonsports.com on Sunday, March 12, 2017. Full reports can be found in your dashboard.

Backup Total

Total Files Added

Total Files Changed

Total Files Deleted

1

1677

0

Overview

Static Files: 540 total file additions, changes, and deletions

File Type

Additions

Changes

Deletions

.html

0

1

0

.css

0

203

0

.js

0

335

0

.htaccess

0

1

0

Dynamic Files: 702 total file additions, changes, and deletions

File Type

Additions

Changes

Deletions

.php

0

702

0

.rb

0

0

0

.asp

0

0

0

.jsp

0

0

0

Website Files

Below are your website files that were added, changed, or deleted in this backup. Website files include .html, .css, .php, .js, .rb, .asp, .jsp, and .htaccess files types.

Website Files Added

There were no added website files in this backup.

Website Files Changed

When a file addition, modification or deletion is detected, you can tell us whether this was an expected change () or the change was suspicious (). This feedback is added to our malware engine for deeper analysis. Your participation may help discover new infections, vulnerabilities and zero-day attacks that impact your websites as well as others protected by this service.

  1. /httpdocs/hikerchat/index.php Report Positive ChangeReport Negative Change
  2. /httpdocs/hikerchat/readme.html Report Positive ChangeReport Negative Change
  3. /httpdocs/hikerchat/wp-activate.php Report Positive ChangeReport Negative Change
  4. /httpdocs/hikerchat/wp-admin/about.php Report Positive ChangeReport Negative Change
  5. /httpdocs/hikerchat/wp-admin/admin-ajax.php Report Positive ChangeReport Negative Change
  6. /httpdocs/hikerchat/wp-admin/admin-footer.php Report Positive ChangeReport Negative Change
  7. /httpdocs/hikerchat/wp-admin/admin-functions.php Report Positive ChangeReport Negative Change
  8. /httpdocs/hikerchat/wp-admin/admin-header.php Report Positive ChangeReport Negative Change
  9. /httpdocs/hikerchat/wp-admin/admin-post.php Report Positive ChangeReport Negative Change
  10. /httpdocs/hikerchat/wp-admin/admin.php Report Positive ChangeReport Negative Change
  11. and 1232 more

 

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File Type

Additions

Changes

Deletions

Images

0

184

0

Videos

0

4

0

Other

1

247

0

Full reports can be found in your dashboard.