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Re: Contact

Jacob Kruger
 

Could have been colouring issues, font-sizing issues, or else maybe even webpage/browser hovering off screen's display area?


As in, fir st thing would be to maximise window, just in case, and, then either try selecting some text in browser window, or maybe even route mouse cursor to current navigator object, using NVDA + numpad / since sighted person can then try moving mouse around to try find it on screen, etc.?


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2017-02-24 15:01, Ibrahim Ajayi wrote:
Hi good people:
I'm having a problem with my system. I filled out a form some hours
ago, and the form required the typing of a captcha. When I asked for
sighted assistance, I was told that the form I filled couldn't be
found on the screen. But then the screen reader was still reading it
to me. I was told that there was nothing on the screen,. I even
switched off the screen reader, but I was still told that the form
didn't appear on the screen. But the screen reader read the form, and
I filled it out.
Has anyone ever encountered this problem before? if so, what is the solution.
Looking forward to reading from you lovely people.
I am Ibrahim from Nigeria.



Re: Questions and suggestions

Gene
 

I find the arrangement of icons on the desktop to be almost irrelevant.  Using firxt letter navigation or typing two or three letters if there are many icons beginning with the same first letter or first two letters is much more efficient than moving through icons.  If I want to get to the MP3 Direct Cut icon, I simply type mp.  That immediately takes me to it.  I don't just type m because I have two or more other icons that start with the letter m.  But there is nothing else that starts with the letters mp.  That's an unusual combination of letters.  If you use first letter navigation, the location of items becomes, as I xsaid, almost irrelevant. 
 
 

Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 7:25 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Questions and suggestions

The alphabetic arrangement of the desktop is not a specific feature of 10.  As far as i'm aware it's been available onWindows for years.  You just need to go into desktop properties and arrange icons.

Cheers
Chris

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Sent: 24 February 2017 10:02
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Questions and suggestions

There are loads of room on the desktop and start menu for shortcuts.
Shortcuts on the desktop can be made to hav  hot key access so you should not need to go through loads of stuff. In 10, the alpherbetic display of items is a great idea. I think also.
 Brian

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Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 3:55 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Questions and suggestions


Hi Gene,
To be honest, I’ve never liked the start menu, or the desktop. If you have
tons and tons of things installed you often find they can be far too
cluttered. I would rather type a filename, and possibly a path if the
appropriate environment variables haven’t been set, than go through 350
shortcuts to find what I’m looking for.
Even back in the XP days when there was no menu search facility, I preferred
the Run method, though sometimes if I knew exactly what I was looking for
and I was sure I could get to it quickly (such as start, s, enter for
Skype), I would use the start menu. But ever since the start menu changed in
Vista, I never touched it again. Far, far too cluttered, and in my
experience, the search feature was completely useless, hence the reason I’ve
removed it from the Windows Features. It’s completely gone downhill.
Again though. Each to their own. I can certainly understand the appeal if
you know there are only a select few programs you use on a regular basis and
you do a shortcut cleanup, but I run what I need, when I need, and can’t say
for certain that I use anything more than the other.
Especially now I’m starting on mainstream software development toolkits I’m
becoming more and more familiar with the command line every day, so the run
dialog seems trivial now, in comparison. I also find that the path
environment variable and symbolic links are also rather helpful. They take a
bit of grasping and setting up, but I so love Win+R, docs, enter to get to
the My Documents folder!
Cheers.
Damien.







Re: Contact

Gene
 

Did you verify whether other information is appearing on screen?  For example, does the desktop appear or when you type text in a program like notepad, does that appear on screen?  At this point, we don't know if the screen is displaying anything.  This problem sounds as though it may have nothing to do with NVDA and may be a problem with your screen or video display.  Unless you know that other content is appearing on screen, checking that is the first thing to do. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 7:01 AM
Subject: [nvda] Contact

Hi good people:
I'm having a problem with my system.  I filled out a form some hours
ago, and the form required the typing of a captcha.  When I asked for
sighted assistance, I was told that the form I filled couldn't be
found on the screen.  But then the screen reader was still reading it
to me.  I was told that there was nothing on the screen,.  I even
switched off the screen reader, but I was still told that the form
didn't appear on the screen.  But the screen reader read the form, and
I filled it out.
Has anyone ever encountered this problem before? if so, what is the solution.
Looking forward to reading from you lovely people.
I am Ibrahim from Nigeria.


Please go no mail instead of leaving the group, was Re: [nvda] Contact

Gene
 

If you go no mail when you don't want to receive messages and then return to receiving messages when you do, it makes your first message more likely to get to the list faster at times, much faster.  Groups.io has a policy that owners can't change, that all new members' first messages to the list must be approved to avoid spam.  Future messages don't need approval.  Every time anyone leaves the list and then returns, as some people do repeatedly, it means that their first message must be approved every time they return and send one.  No mail is the preferred way to stop mail.  To go no mail, send the following blank message to this address:
To start receiving mail again with normal delivery, send the following blank message:
nvda+single@nvda.groups.io
There are two digest options.  Here is the information to use if you want to resume delivery and receive mail as a digest:
To receive plain digests instead of individual messages send an email to:
nvda+digest@nvda.groups.io
To receive full featured digests instead of individual messages send an email to:
nvda+fulldigest@nvda.groups.io
There is no resume command per se.  You can use any of the commands I gave to either change the way you currently receive mail or to resume receiving mail after you go nomail. 
 
If you leave the list and then return, your first message has a reasonable chance of getting to the list within a time of perhaps a few minutes to an hour.  But it may take a number of hours, depending on when the owner or moderator looks a the list again. 
 
Gene, Moderator
 

Re: Questions and suggestions

Chris Mullins
 

I've never found that to be the case. I have ms Outlook, Excel and Word shortcuts defined, none of which are on my Desktop and they always function.

Cheers
Chris

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Sent: 24 February 2017 10:16
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Questions and suggestions

I have a feeling though, that often shortcuts not on the desktop are subordinate to those on it. this means often that they do not actual work with their shrotcut sequence unless you are in the area where they reside.
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 6:11 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Questions and suggestions


I concur with Gene and I do use Windows 10. The start menu and desktop are
all configurable to your own specification, so they are only as cluttered as
you choose to make them and as Gene says, you can find applications quickly
by typing one or two letters. You can also create shortcuts which don’t
appear on the desktop, so they’re only a single keystroke away and don’t
clutter anything.



Cheers

Chris



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 23 February 2017 16:34
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Questions and suggestions



I don't know what you know and, as I said, I don't want to assume. I have
written this somewhat long message in case you don't know some of what I'm
discussing. Others can provide discussions of good instructional material,
if you wish. If you already know what I've explained here, then this
message won't tell you anything new but I'd rather discuss these matters
than not so you and others following the thread will have the information if
interested..



I don't know how much you know about efficient navigation in Windows
structures. You don't have to go through item after item. There's first
letter navigation. And if you have six items on the desktop that begin with
the letter n, you can type more of the name of the item. For example,
typing nv will take you to the NVDA icon. You don't just have to type the
first letter. In the all programs list, you can use first letter navigation
but you can't type more than one letter as I recall. My recollection is that
what I'm calling the all programs list is technically a menu. The desktop
is a list.



In menus, only the designated letter will move you to the item. In a list,
typing the first letter or more will either move you to it or will move you
to items that begin with the letter or letters. Often, in menus, it's the
first letter but this can't be assumed. I believe that in the all programs
menu, it's always the first letter of the item.



When using the start menu search field, you can often just type one word to
get to something if you do a bit of experimentation to figure out what that
is. I can get immediately to Windows Live Mail by just typing the word
mail. The other words, typing either Windows or the word live brings up too
many results to be efficient.



Do you know how to create shortcuts and to use shortcuts, already existing
or created by you, to assign short cut commands to? I have assigned the
command control alt m to open Mozilla Firefox. I can use that command
almost anywhere to open it. I can use the command control alt w to open
Windows Live Mail. And I have lots more. Some people like short cuts more
than others but if you don't know about them and try them, you are
overlooking one of the fastest and most convenient ways to open items in
Windows.



And short cut commands can be used to open more than programs. They can be
used to open drives or you can open a folder or a file you use constantly or
a great deal just by issuing one command.



Not everything I've said may apply in Windows 10, I don't know. I don't use
Windows 10. But most of it will, or will with slight modifications. And
that is true of Windows 8 as well.



I'm not trying to be didactic or dictatorial but I hope that if you don't
know the things I've been discussing, that you get some good instructional
material. Windows is very convenient and efficient when used as designed.
It isn't when used as though it were something else, like DOS.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Damien Sykes-Lindley <mailto:damien@...>

Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 9:55 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Questions and suggestions



Hi Gene,

To be honest, I’ve never liked the start menu, or the desktop. If you have
tons and tons of things installed you often find they can be far too
cluttered. I would rather type a filename, and possibly a path if the
appropriate environment variables haven’t been set, than go through 350
shortcuts to find what I’m looking for.

Even back in the XP days when there was no menu search facility, I preferred
the Run method, though sometimes if I knew exactly what I was looking for
and I was sure I could get to it quickly (such as start, s, enter for
Skype), I would use the start menu. But ever since the start menu changed in
Vista, I never touched it again. Far, far too cluttered, and in my
experience, the search feature was completely useless, hence the reason I’ve
removed it from the Windows Features. It’s completely gone downhill.

Again though. Each to their own. I can certainly understand the appeal if
you know there are only a select few programs you use on a regular basis and
you do a shortcut cleanup, but I run what I need, when I need, and can’t say
for certain that I use anything more than the other.

Especially now I’m starting on mainstream software development toolkits I’m
becoming more and more familiar with the command line every day, so the run
dialog seems trivial now, in comparison. I also find that the path
environment variable and symbolic links are also rather helpful. They take a
bit of grasping and setting up, but I so love Win+R, docs, enter to get to
the My Documents folder!

Cheers.
Damien.

Re: Questions and suggestions

Chris Mullins
 

The alphabetic arrangement of the desktop is not a specific feature of 10. As far as i'm aware it's been available onWindows for years. You just need to go into desktop properties and arrange icons.

Cheers
Chris

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Sent: 24 February 2017 10:02
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Questions and suggestions

There are loads of room on the desktop and start menu for shortcuts.
Shortcuts on the desktop can be made to hav hot key access so you should not need to go through loads of stuff. In 10, the alpherbetic display of items is a great idea. I think also.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Damien Sykes-Lindley" <damien@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 3:55 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Questions and suggestions


Hi Gene,
To be honest, I’ve never liked the start menu, or the desktop. If you have
tons and tons of things installed you often find they can be far too
cluttered. I would rather type a filename, and possibly a path if the
appropriate environment variables haven’t been set, than go through 350
shortcuts to find what I’m looking for.
Even back in the XP days when there was no menu search facility, I preferred
the Run method, though sometimes if I knew exactly what I was looking for
and I was sure I could get to it quickly (such as start, s, enter for
Skype), I would use the start menu. But ever since the start menu changed in
Vista, I never touched it again. Far, far too cluttered, and in my
experience, the search feature was completely useless, hence the reason I’ve
removed it from the Windows Features. It’s completely gone downhill.
Again though. Each to their own. I can certainly understand the appeal if
you know there are only a select few programs you use on a regular basis and
you do a shortcut cleanup, but I run what I need, when I need, and can’t say
for certain that I use anything more than the other.
Especially now I’m starting on mainstream software development toolkits I’m
becoming more and more familiar with the command line every day, so the run
dialog seems trivial now, in comparison. I also find that the path
environment variable and symbolic links are also rather helpful. They take a
bit of grasping and setting up, but I so love Win+R, docs, enter to get to
the My Documents folder!
Cheers.
Damien.

Contact

Ibrahim Ajayi
 

Hi good people:
I'm having a problem with my system. I filled out a form some hours
ago, and the form required the typing of a captcha. When I asked for
sighted assistance, I was told that the form I filled couldn't be
found on the screen. But then the screen reader was still reading it
to me. I was told that there was nothing on the screen,. I even
switched off the screen reader, but I was still told that the form
didn't appear on the screen. But the screen reader read the form, and
I filled it out.
Has anyone ever encountered this problem before? if so, what is the solution.
Looking forward to reading from you lovely people.
I am Ibrahim from Nigeria.

Re: Questions and suggestions

Chris Mullins
 

And you only have to press enter on the Notifications chevron button to list icons in the overflow area. 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Travis Siegel
Sent: 24 February 2017 04:22
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Questions and suggestions

 

Because NVDA is not jaws, and there's no reason to make it mirror jaws keystrokes.  The windows-b keystroke will work no matter what you use for a screen reader, since it's a windows command.  That's why NVDA uses it.  There is no dedicated NVDA keystroke for this function.

 

 

On 2/23/2017 8:36 PM, Arlene wrote:

Hi, I don’t know if I can say here! When you go to your system trey. Why not make future builds of NVDA be insert F 11? Instead of windows B. 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Damien Sykes-Lindley
Sent: February-23-17 9:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Questions and suggestions

 

Hi Gene,

Hotkeys are indeed excellent. One of the first thing I look for in a program is hotkeys. In fact, some have so many that it’s hard to memorise all of them. But at least they’re there!

The only problem I have with Windows shortcuts being linked to them is that, because they are global throughout the whole system, it can unfortunately cause conflicts with other running applications that utilise those shortcuts. For instance, I could assign a ctrl+alt+q shortcut to launch QWS (a MIDI sequencer), and another application may use ctrl+alt+q to mean quit. I have known ctrl+alt+o for options, ctrl+alt+x for exit, ctrl+alt+n/p for next/previous, all of which can be assigned to a Windows hotkey, and then it’s touch and go as to which item activates. Otherwise, I’m definitely all for hotkeys!

As an aside, I must admit I do find it odd, and mildly frustrating that there are four modifier keys that can be used to register hotkeys and yet it is still possible to run out of logical keys! This is even more so for global shortcut-linked ones, since I think you can only have ctrl+alt and ctrl+shift combos. Possibly if you’re extremely dextrous you might be able to have ctrl+shift+alt, I haven’t dared to try that one. Lol.

First letter navigation. Now you mention it I am aware of it. I use it all the time to move quickly to files in Explorer. But for some reason it didn’t cross my mind for the desktop (even though I know that is also controlled by explorer). I guess because my explorer is in detail view, and the desktop shows as a sort of grid layout I treated them as two separate systems. Strange how brains work!

Cheers.
Damien.




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Re: Questions and suggestions

Chris Mullins
 

Windows b is a windows command not NVDA, it’s been around for years.

 

Cheers 

Chris

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: 24 February 2017 01:36
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Questions and suggestions

 

Hi, I don’t know if I can say here! When you go to your system trey. Why not make future builds of NVDA be insert F 11? Instead of windows B. 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Damien Sykes-Lindley
Sent: February-23-17 9:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Questions and suggestions

 

Hi Gene,

Hotkeys are indeed excellent. One of the first thing I look for in a program is hotkeys. In fact, some have so many that it’s hard to memorise all of them. But at least they’re there!

The only problem I have with Windows shortcuts being linked to them is that, because they are global throughout the whole system, it can unfortunately cause conflicts with other running applications that utilise those shortcuts. For instance, I could assign a ctrl+alt+q shortcut to launch QWS (a MIDI sequencer), and another application may use ctrl+alt+q to mean quit. I have known ctrl+alt+o for options, ctrl+alt+x for exit, ctrl+alt+n/p for next/previous, all of which can be assigned to a Windows hotkey, and then it’s touch and go as to which item activates. Otherwise, I’m definitely all for hotkeys!

As an aside, I must admit I do find it odd, and mildly frustrating that there are four modifier keys that can be used to register hotkeys and yet it is still possible to run out of logical keys! This is even more so for global shortcut-linked ones, since I think you can only have ctrl+alt and ctrl+shift combos. Possibly if you’re extremely dextrous you might be able to have ctrl+shift+alt, I haven’t dared to try that one. Lol.

First letter navigation. Now you mention it I am aware of it. I use it all the time to move quickly to files in Explorer. But for some reason it didn’t cross my mind for the desktop (even though I know that is also controlled by explorer). I guess because my explorer is in detail view, and the desktop shows as a sort of grid layout I treated them as two separate systems. Strange how brains work!

Cheers.
Damien.

Re: Questions and suggestions

Peter Beasley
 

    What’s wrong with windows key B. It is a standard windows command so it doesn’t matter which screenreader you happen to be using.
 

From: Arlene
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 3:40 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Questions and suggestions
 

Confirmed! I can get to the system trey using windows B with Jaws 14 along with NVDA I’ll just have to pay a visit to the addons site.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: February-23-17 6:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Questions and suggestions

 

Just for completeness, since the same topic is in both threads, you can do this with the SysTrayList addon: https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/systrayList.en.html

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 12:59 PM, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:

Oh I see. I seen with other screen readers it was insert F 11. Just my 2 cents.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Andre Fisher
Sent: February-23-17 5:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Questions and suggestions

Because Windows+B is the Windows specific shortcut.

On 2/23/17, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:
> Hi, I don’t know if I can say here! When you go to your system trey.
> Why not make future builds of NVDA be insert F 11? Instead of windows B.
>
>
>
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
> Damien Sykes-Lindley
> Sent: February-23-17 9:06 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Questions and suggestions
>
>
>
> Hi Gene,
>
> Hotkeys are indeed excellent. One of the first thing I look for in a
> program is hotkeys. In fact, some have so many that it’s hard to
> memorise all of them. But at least they’re there!
>
> The only problem I have with Windows shortcuts being linked to them is
> that, because they are global throughout the whole system, it can
> unfortunately cause conflicts with other running applications that
> utilise those shortcuts. For instance, I could assign a ctrl+alt+q
> shortcut to launch QWS (a MIDI sequencer), and another application may use ctrl+alt+q to mean quit.
> I have known ctrl+alt+o for options, ctrl+alt+x for exit, ctrl+alt+n/p
> for next/previous, all of which can be assigned to a Windows hotkey,
> and then it’s touch and go as to which item activates. Otherwise, I’m
> definitely all for hotkeys!
>
> As an aside, I must admit I do find it odd, and mildly frustrating
> that there are four modifier keys that can be used to register hotkeys
> and yet it is still possible to run out of logical keys! This is even
> more so for global shortcut-linked ones, since I think you can only
> have ctrl+alt and
> ctrl+shift combos. Possibly if you’re extremely dextrous you might be

> ctrl+able
> to have ctrl+shift+alt, I haven’t dared to try that one. Lol.
>
> First letter navigation. Now you mention it I am aware of it. I use it
> all the time to move quickly to files in Explorer. But for some reason
> it didn’t cross my mind for the desktop (even though I know that is
> also controlled by explorer). I guess because my explorer is in detail
> view, and the desktop shows as a sort of grid layout I treated them as two separate systems.
> Strange how brains work!
>
> Cheers.
> Damien.
>
>
>
>







 

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Re: NVDA reporting tables in windows explorer

Quentin Christensen
 

In not giving you automatic access to all files and folders, Windows is trying to keep you safe from accidentally deleting something critical.  If you want to see hidden files and folders, and know how to do it, then you will be able to unhide those things and it's also likely that you know which ones not to delete.  I don't agree with the way it hides file extensions though - people should get used to seeing those, that way it will be more obvious if you get a trojan called something like "invoice.doc.exe".  Some people will just see "invoice.doc", know that they heard somewhere that files with .doc are Word documents and not worry (assuming nothing else in the way they got it was a red flag to them).  At least that same person, used to seeing file.doc, would see invoice.doc.exe and think it looked a bit odd.

Re the folders displaying as a table thing, does NVDA announce it as a table?  Windows Explorer / File Explorer has a number of different views, many of which present in a grid like layout:

Details view: shows you the date modified, size, file type and other information.  Use down arrow to move through the items, and right arrow to read additional attributes of each file (then left arrow back to file name).

Tiles or Icons (Extra large down to small, all behave similarly): shows you only file names in however-many columns fit.  Press the right arrow to move across each column then it automatically moves down to the next row.

List: displays as a simple list of file names, down arrow through it.

Windows also displays things in "groupings" in many cases.  In This PC on Windows 10 (Computer on Windows 7), you have a grouping for "folders" (what were libraries in Windows 7), a grouping for devices and drives (all your physical drives) and a grouping for network drives.  There might be others I just don't have at the moment and can't think of.  As you down arrow through a list, you first encounter the grouping and it selects everything, then you move to the first item in that grouping.  With the whole grouping selected, you can left arrow to hide it - similar to in the folder list.  To be honest, it's all more complex than I would have thought it needs to be, but relatively simple to get around once you get the hang of it (and yes, it does take some getting used to, and also you probably want to pick the layout you like - I'd recommend either details or list) and set it for all folders).

Regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 9:13 PM, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...> wrote:
I think the all folders of this type is the key here. Besides, some folder types have more info which can be useful to you, hence differenttypes.
One of the most frustrating thiings about later windows than xp is that even as an admin some folders are barred  from view to you.
I have no idea what the point of this is, as if you could declare, for example that you were the only user, it should be sensible enough to let you look at everything.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "erik burggraaf" <erik@...>
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Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 5:52 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA reporting tables in windows explorer


Hi all,

On this new windows seven machine I set up with NVDA, most but not all folders in windows explorer are reporting to be laid out in tables by NVDA. NVDA is reporting row and column positions of folders and files. Not all folders are doing this, but I applied all the settings of a folder that wasn't to all folders and that didn't fix the behavior.  Any ideas as to changes I might make to the views so that they become standard list views?

Thanks,

Erik

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Re: NVDA Web Browser Problem

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There are many less than repeatable theories on this one. Lets just suggest you think of rude words starting with b.
However Bar is probably the real one... grin
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From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@...>
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Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 1:54 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem


Hi Arlene,

WINDOWS+B is a Windows command itself, not an NVDA command.

If you open the taskbar settings (easiest way is to open the start menu and
start typing "taskbar"), then "Select which icons appear on the taskbar",
make sure that "always show all icons in the notification area" is checked
then it will ensure that you don't need to look in the notification
overflow area to find some.

I think providing access to all notification tray icons even without that
setting is the main extra thing that the Jaws setting does?

That being the case, we didn't want to use up a command to duplicate
something which could already be achieved with an existing command. As for
why Windows chose WINDOWS+B to get to the notification area, I have never
figured that out.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 12:33 PM, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:

Oh, okay! Happy learning! NVDA is good. I use both.Jaws and NVDA. Here's
more if you want to know. If you want to go to your system ttrey. With NVDA
It's windows B. Don't ask me why that is. I wished like Jaws it's insert
F
11

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Louis
Maher
Sent: February-23-17 11:41 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem

Hi Arlene,

JAWS is my primary screen reader, and I do not have any issues with it. I
am trying to learn NVDA.


Regards
Louis Maher
Phone: 713-444-7838
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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:31 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem

Hi, Do you have another back up screen reader to rectify your problem? If
you do, then try your back up screen reader and see if you have that same
problem! If NVDA is your primary screen reader you are in trouble.

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Louis
Maher
Sent: February-23-17 10:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem

Folks,

Several weeks ago, my NVDA (version 16.4) was unable to access Firefox
(51.?). When I opened a webpage, the arrow keys just said unknown when I
used them. I uninstalled NVDA and Firefox and re-installed both. I am now
on NVDA 17.1), and I have the same issue.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.



Regards
Louis Maher
Phone: 713-444-7838
E-mail: ljmaher@...















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Re: Questions and suggestions

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Not sure what you mean.
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Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 1:36 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Questions and suggestions


Hi, I don’t know if I can say here! When you go to your system trey. Why not make future builds of NVDA be insert F 11? Instead of windows B.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Damien Sykes-Lindley
Sent: February-23-17 9:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Questions and suggestions



Hi Gene,

Hotkeys are indeed excellent. One of the first thing I look for in a program is hotkeys. In fact, some have so many that it’s hard to memorise all of them. But at least they’re there!

The only problem I have with Windows shortcuts being linked to them is that, because they are global throughout the whole system, it can unfortunately cause conflicts with other running applications that utilise those shortcuts. For instance, I could assign a ctrl+alt+q shortcut to launch QWS (a MIDI sequencer), and another application may use ctrl+alt+q to mean quit. I have known ctrl+alt+o for options, ctrl+alt+x for exit, ctrl+alt+n/p for next/previous, all of which can be assigned to a Windows hotkey, and then it’s touch and go as to which item activates. Otherwise, I’m definitely all for hotkeys!

As an aside, I must admit I do find it odd, and mildly frustrating that there are four modifier keys that can be used to register hotkeys and yet it is still possible to run out of logical keys! This is even more so for global shortcut-linked ones, since I think you can only have ctrl+alt and ctrl+shift combos. Possibly if you’re extremely dextrous you might be able to have ctrl+shift+alt, I haven’t dared to try that one. Lol.

First letter navigation. Now you mention it I am aware of it. I use it all the time to move quickly to files in Explorer. But for some reason it didn’t cross my mind for the desktop (even though I know that is also controlled by explorer). I guess because my explorer is in detail view, and the desktop shows as a sort of grid layout I treated them as two separate systems. Strange how brains work!

Cheers.
Damien.

Re: NVDA Web Browser Problem

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Does it remove it or merely not remember to register it when it shoves it back after the uninstall?
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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 12:45 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem


Hi Quentin,



The problem was that I had uninstalled MathPlayer, and that removed a component NVDA uses for browsers. Reinstalling MathPlayer restored that unknown component, and now NVDA works with Firefox and Internet Explorer.



JAWS apparently does not use this unknown component. Note that this unknown component is not part of NVDA because uninstalling NVDA and reinstalling NVDA does not fix this problem.







Regards

Louis Maher

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 4:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem



Hi Louis,



Someone else reported a similar thing and noted the solution for them was to alt+tab away from Firefox and back. It's not an ideal solution obviously, but I'd be curious to see if that helped. That issue is: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/5550



There's another bug for a similar thing, saying "unknown" after reading the page title. Often (in the case of this user), waiting a moment after that, NVDA would go on to read the page: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/4882



Finally, another problem that can cause this if it's happening in all browsers, is it could be a system component. This thread has a number of ideas: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/2807



Finally, if you could get the log file to send to me that might help too. Info on the log file available here: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/wiki/LogFilesAndCrashDumps



Kind regards



Quentin.



On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 5:48 AM, Louis Maher <ljmaher@... <mailto:ljmaher@...> > wrote:

Folks,

Several weeks ago, my NVDA (version 16.4) was unable to access Firefox
(51.?). When I opened a webpage, the arrow keys just said unknown when I
used them. I uninstalled NVDA and Firefox and re-installed both. I am now
on NVDA 17.1), and I have the same issue.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.



Regards
Louis Maher
Phone: 713-444-7838 <tel:713-444-7838>
E-mail: ljmaher@... <mailto:ljmaher@...>












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Re: NVDA Web Browser Problem

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Often both these problems occur due to a bad mains supply or loose drive connections in the machine. The longer they are allowed to go on the more likely the system is to become unbootable.
Hopefully fixing these issues can save a lot of problems.
Those mains cable extensions with several sockets in them are a problem more often than not. cheap and not very well made.
However by far the most probles are for power connections to drives inside the computer if its a desk top.
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From: "Brenda" <bjnite@...>
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Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 10:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem


Have you tried a disk defragment and chkdsk. I find these have fix corrupt file issues. doesn't hurt to try.


brenda


On 2/23/2017 1:48 PM, Louis Maher wrote:
Folks,

Several weeks ago, my NVDA (version 16.4) was unable to access Firefox
(51.?). When I opened a webpage, the arrow keys just said unknown when I
used them. I uninstalled NVDA and Firefox and re-installed both. I am now
on NVDA 17.1), and I have the same issue.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.



Regards
Louis Maher
Phone: 713-444-7838
E-mail: ljmaher@...






Re: NVDA Web Browser Problem

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I think James on the nvda list has reported tis to the makers of that software, and yet its still not been fixed I understand. Maybe these issues all need to be colated and put somewhere as a resource. No I'm not volunteering. I value my sanity.
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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 10:01 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem


Gene,

I put MathPlayher back, and now everything works.

Thanks for reminding me about this conversation.



Regards
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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene New
Zealand
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 3:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem

Come to think of it as well when i had maths player when it first came out
after i uninstalled it i got a problem like that. at the time the only fix
was to reinstall the maths player again then things went back to normal. Not
sure if the bug has been fixed in a update to it as i did not reinstall it
after that as it is some thing i may not use.


Gene nz



On 24/02/2017 10:29 AM, Louis Maher wrote:
Thank you Gene.

I now remember this discussion in the past. I believe the problem
came from removing MathPlayer which I have done in the past few months.

I tried the procedure listed below, and the problem persists in
Firefox and Internet Explorer.

Perhaps I will try Edge.

Thanks for your help.



Regards
Louis Maher
Phone: 713-444-7838
E-mail: ljmaher@...

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene New Zealand
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem

Hi Louis


I had some thing similar a while ago. it happened in mozilla thunder
bird as well as in mozilla fire fox.


When you went into mozilla fire fox even if you tabbed tried using
arrow keys single letter navigation keys etc it would also say
unknown. Plus the menus up the top would not work.


usually if the menus did not show you could use the f11 key to bring
them back but not in this case. So would get unknown in both programs.


it seemed some how some settings in mozilla fire fox had got corrupted

I can not remember if it happened in other programs i think they were
the only ones.


The way i was able to fix it was



I uninstalled mozilla fire fox from the add/remove programs section in
windows it might be called some thing else in other versions of windows.
it can be found under the control panel section.


When it has been done then Press the windows key + letter R to bring
up the run dialogue, then type in the following %appdata% then press
the enter key.


it will give you a list of folders and you will need to find the one
for mozilla

it will need to be deleted all together.


.


please note it will delete all of your settings then reinstall mozilla
fire fox, it then fixed the problem.

I also did the same as you did with nvda i uninstalled it from add
remove section and also did the other by pressing the Windows key +
letter R then typing in %appdata% then pressing the enter key,
locating the nvda folder and deleting it out then reinstalling nvda.
it was not NVDA that caused it but the other mozilla setting that i
removed.

All has been good for months.

it may or may not be the same problem.

I thought about putting how to do this up on my website under the
trouble shooting section for nvda but only have heard it happen now
and again.

Gene nz

On 24/02/2017 7:48 AM, Louis Maher wrote:
Folks,

Several weeks ago, my NVDA (version 16.4) was unable to access
Firefox (51.?). When I opened a webpage, the arrow keys just said
unknown when I used them. I uninstalled NVDA and Firefox and
re-installed both. I am
now
on NVDA 17.1), and I have the same issue.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.



Regards
Louis Maher
Phone: 713-444-7838
E-mail: ljmaher@...




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Re: NVDA Web Browser Problem

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You will need to fix the problem though as it will come back to bite you and the longerr its in there the more likely a reformat and reinstall of windows will be to fix it. Putting layers of other software onto a machine with a problem is asking for trouble. I've been down that road.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Louis Maher" <ljmaher@...>
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Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 9:29 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem


Thank you Gene.

I now remember this discussion in the past. I believe the problem came from
removing MathPlayer which I have done in the past few months.

I tried the procedure listed below, and the problem persists in Firefox and
Internet Explorer.

Perhaps I will try Edge.

Thanks for your help.



Regards
Louis Maher
Phone: 713-444-7838
E-mail: ljmaher@...

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene New
Zealand
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem

Hi Louis


I had some thing similar a while ago. it happened in mozilla thunder bird as
well as in mozilla fire fox.


When you went into mozilla fire fox even if you tabbed tried using arrow
keys single letter navigation keys etc it would also say unknown. Plus
the menus up the top would not work.


usually if the menus did not show you could use the f11 key to bring
them back but not in this case. So would get unknown in both programs.


it seemed some how some settings in mozilla fire fox had got corrupted

I can not remember if it happened in other programs i think they were
the only ones.


The way i was able to fix it was



I uninstalled mozilla fire fox from the add/remove programs section in
windows it might be called some thing else in other versions of windows.
it can be found under the control panel section.


When it has been done then Press the windows key + letter R to bring up
the run dialogue, then type in the following %appdata% then press the
enter key.


it will give you a list of folders and you will need to find the one for
mozilla

it will need to be deleted all together.


.


please note it will delete all of your settings then reinstall mozilla
fire fox, it then fixed the problem.

I also did the same as you did with nvda i uninstalled it from add
remove section and also did the other by pressing the Windows key +
letter R then typing in %appdata% then pressing the enter key, locating
the nvda folder and deleting it out then reinstalling nvda.
it was not NVDA that caused it but the other mozilla setting that i removed.

All has been good for months.

it may or may not be the same problem.

I thought about putting how to do this up on my website under the
trouble shooting section for nvda but only have heard it happen now and
again.

Gene nz

On 24/02/2017 7:48 AM, Louis Maher wrote:
Folks,

Several weeks ago, my NVDA (version 16.4) was unable to access Firefox
(51.?). When I opened a webpage, the arrow keys just said unknown when I
used them. I uninstalled NVDA and Firefox and re-installed both. I am
now
on NVDA 17.1), and I have the same issue.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.



Regards
Louis Maher
Phone: 713-444-7838
E-mail: ljmaher@...




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tutorials, NVDA road tested programs, and other eyesight related topics.
http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/ If you would like to keep up to date
with whats being updated on our website, you can also follow us on facebook
by visiting
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Re: two issues

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Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 8:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] two issues


Hi Sam


if you do a say all use the nvda key + down arrow key it will read the
whole message and you will not hear blank lines where they are. you only
hear them if you do it a line at a time by using the down arrow key each
time.


I find it useful hearing them when writing up stuff.

The command was for a desk top pc.


the second question that you asked if NVDA is talking when you bring up
the preferences menu, just use the down arrow key and it will speak the
first item on the menu and where ever you go to in the menus with the
arrow keys.


Or is it some thing else like nvda not speaking at all on the pc?


Gene nz




On 24/02/2017 8:53 AM, Sam Bushman wrote:
Hi All,

I have two main issues with NVDA that are causing me trouble.

1. When I read email in outlook 2016 office 365 I get tons of blank lines
in the email. Is there a way to get rid of them?

Second: I have a machine with NVDA 17.1 on it, when I bring up the NVDA
menus they don't speak. Any ideas what I need to resolve?

Thanks so much for any input.

Sam




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Re: two issues

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Do you hibernate your pc?
Ifound these same things after a while. The only option was to close down pull the plug or battery for a few seconds, then put it all back and do a restart. What happened? You guess is as good as mine, but it seemed to me that the offending bit of software was an old copy of Goldwave, but this could have just been coincidence. also the context menus in programs stopped working as well.
My guess was that the local copy of the registry was broken and forcing a complete restart brought in the new copy.
However if you always restart from a no power situation, it could be that the only answer is to take the computer back.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Sam Bushman" <libertyroundtable@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 7:53 PM
Subject: [nvda] two issues


Hi All,

I have two main issues with NVDA that are causing me trouble.

1. When I read email in outlook 2016 office 365 I get tons of blank lines
in the email. Is there a way to get rid of them?

Second: I have a machine with NVDA 17.1 on it, when I bring up the NVDA
menus they don't speak. Any ideas what I need to resolve?

Thanks so much for any input.

Sam



Re: NVDA Web Browser Problem

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Do any html pages in any browser work?
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Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 6:48 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem


Folks,

Several weeks ago, my NVDA (version 16.4) was unable to access Firefox
(51.?). When I opened a webpage, the arrow keys just said unknown when I
used them. I uninstalled NVDA and Firefox and re-installed both. I am now
on NVDA 17.1), and I have the same issue.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.



Regards
Louis Maher
Phone: 713-444-7838
E-mail: ljmaher@...