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Re: Questions and suggestions

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I have a feeling though, that often shortcuts not on the desktop are subordinate to those on it. this means often that they do not actual work with their shrotcut sequence unless you are in the area where they reside.
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Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 6:11 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Questions and suggestions


I concur with Gene and I do use Windows 10. The start menu and desktop are all configurable to your own specification, so they are only as cluttered as you choose to make them and as Gene says, you can find applications quickly by typing one or two letters. You can also create shortcuts which don’t appear on the desktop, so they’re only a single keystroke away and don’t clutter anything.



Cheers

Chris



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 23 February 2017 16:34
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Questions and suggestions



I don't know what you know and, as I said, I don't want to assume. I have written this somewhat long message in case you don't know some of what I'm discussing. Others can provide discussions of good instructional material, if you wish. If you already know what I've explained here, then this message won't tell you anything new but I'd rather discuss these matters than not so you and others following the thread will have the information if interested..



I don't know how much you know about efficient navigation in Windows structures. You don't have to go through item after item. There's first letter navigation. And if you have six items on the desktop that begin with the letter n, you can type more of the name of the item. For example, typing nv will take you to the NVDA icon. You don't just have to type the first letter. In the all programs list, you can use first letter navigation but you can't type more than one letter as I recall. My recollection is that what I'm calling the all programs list is technically a menu. The desktop is a list.



In menus, only the designated letter will move you to the item. In a list, typing the first letter or more will either move you to it or will move you to items that begin with the letter or letters. Often, in menus, it's the first letter but this can't be assumed. I believe that in the all programs menu, it's always the first letter of the item.



When using the start menu search field, you can often just type one word to get to something if you do a bit of experimentation to figure out what that is. I can get immediately to Windows Live Mail by just typing the word mail. The other words, typing either Windows or the word live brings up too many results to be efficient.



Do you know how to create shortcuts and to use shortcuts, already existing or created by you, to assign short cut commands to? I have assigned the command control alt m to open Mozilla Firefox. I can use that command almost anywhere to open it. I can use the command control alt w to open Windows Live Mail. And I have lots more. Some people like short cuts more than others but if you don't know about them and try them, you are overlooking one of the fastest and most convenient ways to open items in Windows.



And short cut commands can be used to open more than programs. They can be used to open drives or you can open a folder or a file you use constantly or a great deal just by issuing one command.



Not everything I've said may apply in Windows 10, I don't know. I don't use Windows 10. But most of it will, or will with slight modifications. And that is true of Windows 8 as well.



I'm not trying to be didactic or dictatorial but I hope that if you don't know the things I've been discussing, that you get some good instructional material. Windows is very convenient and efficient when used as designed. It isn't when used as though it were something else, like DOS.



Gene

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Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 9:55 AM

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Questions and suggestions



Hi Gene,

To be honest, I’ve never liked the start menu, or the desktop. If you have tons and tons of things installed you often find they can be far too cluttered. I would rather type a filename, and possibly a path if the appropriate environment variables haven’t been set, than go through 350 shortcuts to find what I’m looking for.

Even back in the XP days when there was no menu search facility, I preferred the Run method, though sometimes if I knew exactly what I was looking for and I was sure I could get to it quickly (such as start, s, enter for Skype), I would use the start menu. But ever since the start menu changed in Vista, I never touched it again. Far, far too cluttered, and in my experience, the search feature was completely useless, hence the reason I’ve removed it from the Windows Features. It’s completely gone downhill.

Again though. Each to their own. I can certainly understand the appeal if you know there are only a select few programs you use on a regular basis and you do a shortcut cleanup, but I run what I need, when I need, and can’t say for certain that I use anything more than the other.

Especially now I’m starting on mainstream software development toolkits I’m becoming more and more familiar with the command line every day, so the run dialog seems trivial now, in comparison. I also find that the path environment variable and symbolic links are also rather helpful. They take a bit of grasping and setting up, but I so love Win+R, docs, enter to get to the My Documents folder!

Cheers.
Damien.

Re: NVDA reporting tables in windows explorer

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I think the all folders of this type is the key here. Besides, some folder types have more info which can be useful to you, hence differenttypes.
One of the most frustrating thiings about later windows than xp is that even as an admin some folders are barred from view to you.
I have no idea what the point of this is, as if you could declare, for example that you were the only user, it should be sensible enough to let you look at everything.
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Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 5:52 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA reporting tables in windows explorer


Hi all,

On this new windows seven machine I set up with NVDA, most but not all folders in windows explorer are reporting to be laid out in tables by NVDA. NVDA is reporting row and column positions of folders and files. Not all folders are doing this, but I applied all the settings of a folder that wasn't to all folders and that didn't fix the behavior. Any ideas as to changes I might make to the views so that they become standard list views?

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Re: Windows 10 Mail app

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But Outlook express does the same moving it to deleted folder. You then say once a month, check this and if there is nothing you want to keep delete the lot.
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Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 5:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Mail app


Lates version of NVDA works with no problem. The only thing that drives
me crazy is that deleting a message, doesn't truely delete the message.
It archives it and there is no way to change the behaver for this at
least for me. I am using gmail and it is driving me crazy as i said.


Matthew




On 02/23/2017 06:02 AM, Chris Mullins wrote:

Hi

Does anyone on the list use the built-in mail app in Windows 10 and if
so, I would welcome your advice re accessibility. I have no sight and
rely on voice feedback only.

Cheers

Chris

Re: find files fast with Master Seeker

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I've been using it for ages now. I wish its fields labels were able by nvda, but its far faster than the windows searches.
In fact I'd like to turn of the horrible so windows logging of stuff in a folder when you open it as you hear the progress bar going up and the whole thing is slow to move up and down until its finished. With master seeker you can open the containing folder and yet windows still goes and indexes it.... again.
Is there a way to actually turn this indexing off?

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Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 4:21 PM
Subject: [nvda] find files fast with Master Seeker


Hello,

In another thread, Damien mentioned the hassle in finding files. I quite
agree that can be rather involved. So I'd like to suggest, Do try Master
Seeker. It was promoted by Kim Komando. I tried it and it is quite fast
indeed.

I found it using DuckDuckGo.

Regards,
John


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Re: Questions and suggestions

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There are loads of room on the desktop and start menu for shortcuts. Shortcuts on the desktop can be made to hav hot key access so you should not need to go through loads of stuff. In 10, the alpherbetic display of items is a great idea. I think also.
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Questions and suggestions


Hi Gene,
To be honest, I’ve never liked the start menu, or the desktop. If you have tons and tons of things installed you often find they can be far too cluttered. I would rather type a filename, and possibly a path if the appropriate environment variables haven’t been set, than go through 350 shortcuts to find what I’m looking for.
Even back in the XP days when there was no menu search facility, I preferred the Run method, though sometimes if I knew exactly what I was looking for and I was sure I could get to it quickly (such as start, s, enter for Skype), I would use the start menu. But ever since the start menu changed in Vista, I never touched it again. Far, far too cluttered, and in my experience, the search feature was completely useless, hence the reason I’ve removed it from the Windows Features. It’s completely gone downhill.
Again though. Each to their own. I can certainly understand the appeal if you know there are only a select few programs you use on a regular basis and you do a shortcut cleanup, but I run what I need, when I need, and can’t say for certain that I use anything more than the other.
Especially now I’m starting on mainstream software development toolkits I’m becoming more and more familiar with the command line every day, so the run dialog seems trivial now, in comparison. I also find that the path environment variable and symbolic links are also rather helpful. They take a bit of grasping and setting up, but I so love Win+R, docs, enter to get to the My Documents folder!
Cheers.
Damien.

Re: Strange behavior in Gmail

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I don't use their webmail but sometimes layout can be an issue, but not that often.
I find the web interface clunky.
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From: "Øyvind Lode" <oyvind.lode@...>
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Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 2:57 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Strange behavior in Gmail


I'm using gmail as well and I don't have this problem.
I'm using gmail standard view with firefox 51.0.1 and my screen reader
of choice is of course NVDA.
I'm running NVDA 2017.1.


On 23 February 2017 at 14:22, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
What browser and screen-reader are you using? Try whatever you like, a
different screen-reader, a different browser, or both. Rarely, I have a
page that doesn't display properly and changing what is being used solves
the problem. Or just use the read to end command and don't down arrow
through the message. I'm not sure if reading will be as smooth as desired,
but it may be reasonably adequate.

Gene
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From: Arnþór Helgason
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 7:07 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Strange behavior in Gmail

I think I have raised this topic before.

When I write an email in Gmail only one word appears in each line.
Is there anything which can be done about it?

Best regards,

Arnthor Helgason
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Re: Questions and suggestions

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Are you using windows 8 or 10, are these portable versions of nvda.
It is certainly the case that the most recent windows aare not as good on portable nvda tan 7 and xp were.
Not seen the web site wiith nvda in it issue myself. I have to say. Is this only with nvda at the start?
If so then use the full address http:// and it should be ok.
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Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 2:13 PM
Subject: [nvda] Questions and suggestions


Hi there,
I have a few comments, suggestions, questions etc.
1. Whenever I type anything into the Run dialog that has anything to do with NVDA, NVDA itself attempts to run.
This is a difficult one to comment on – that can be extremely helpful if NVDA has crashed, or you’re trying to revive your screenreader after some other mishap. However it also means I can’t enter any websites that have anything to do with NVDA in the address.
I do tend to access most things from the run dialog, as it’s a simple process of Win+R, type, enter, rather than having to browse for a program through explorer. Could this possibly be fixed so that a URL will take you to the appropriate place?
2. Profiles have a tendancy to use all settings, when you might want to keep some of the global settings active. For instance, if a profile is running and I change the audio output, as soon as that profile is deactivated the audio reverts back when chances are I want it to stay. Again, difficult to comment on, since not sure how it would be possible to have an option for any or every setting to stay global for a profile etc.
3. Even if no profiles are used, if you change the audio device, tones played by NVDA (for instance indentation, progress bars etc) don’t take this change into account until NVDA is restarted. I’m assuming this is a bug.
4. I have replaced the default NVDA sounds and would prefer it to retain my sounds after an update if at all possible. I do understand why the original sounds folder is reverted (it probably sees the sounds in its own package as being part of the upgrade, or perhaps it simply replaces every file in case of other conflicts), but perhaps a soundscheme setting or a user sounds folder could be a possibility?
5. This is perhaps the most important – NVDA seems to have a tendancy to miss labels and static texts that other screenreaders have no problems finding. I myself noticed a change in a program I used to use quite regularly when switching to NVDA a few years ago, and I’m finding more and more programs that I’m downloading or using simply saying “edit”, “list”, “button” etc without giving any indication as to what these controls are trying to tell me. This also goes for some webpages, where labels can and often are attached to the control they are referencing. Some treeviews also seem unaware of their items names, statuses etc, saying “Unknown” for every node and no indication as to whether it has subitems etc. When these kinds of things crop up I am automatically assuming that these are application-specific accessibility issues, but when I’m seeing this behaviour for multiple applications and people with other screenreaders are using them with no issues it does make me wonder if NVDA has some issues somewhere. Granted, NVDA works well with a lot of applications, but I’m wondering whether it has internal support for most of these? Does every application ideally need an app module for optimal accessibility?
Cheers.
Damien.

Re: 2/22 Next install

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Actually I had this weirdness on an xp machine yesterday. I left it doing noothing using the machine as the printer server after the update. When I returned it was still working but nvda seems to have gone s l o w.
Evenntually I managed to get a portable version working and slowly went into the task manager and manually killed all the nvda stuff, then rebooted nvda and it was back to normal.
Very odd. Might be just a coincidence I don't know.
Brian

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Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:35 PM
Subject: [nvda] 2/22 Next install


Seems like some changes in the latest NVDA build are causing sluggish hangs after a few hours of use on build 15031. I have had to force a sign out to reset the system. Mail and Edge are both open when the hang scenario occurs. It has occurred three times so far.

I also note some Edge issues on secure sites that were actually working better before this update.

John
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Re: Windows 10 Mail app

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Does it do news groups like the other clients before it?
Also somebody told me its actually better to use Narrator on this app. I really don't want to do that.
Brian

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Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 11:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Mail app


It works quite well, sometime when you are writing you can't know what you are doing, so please install the excellent nvda's addon named:
Windows10 app essentials.

Best regards.


Il 23/02/2017 12:02, Chris Mullins ha scritto:
Hi

Does anyone on the list use the built-in mail app in Windows 10 and if
so, I would welcome your advice re accessibility. I have no sight and
rely on voice feedback only.



Cheers

Chris


Re: nvda announcing clipboard functions and other keystrokes

Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
 

Do you have any plans to develop any addon like you describe?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tyler
Spivey
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 12:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda announcing clipboard functions and other keystrokes

Here's how to fix this, and hopefully have it wait until something has been
copied.
* Write an addon which binds control x and control c. When you press one of
these keys, It sets a flag.
* Have the addon create a window and call AddClipboardFormatListener.
When responding to WM_CLIPBOARDUPDATE, it should speak cut or copied
depending on what was pressed.

On 2/21/2017 8:45 PM, Kwork wrote:
Thank you Gene from NZ. While I'd still like things to be different,
this is a good check to make sure something's been copied or cut to the
clipboard.
Travis
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From: "Gene New Zealand" <hurrikennyandopo@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 7:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda announcing clipboard functions and other
keystrokes


When ever i do a copy and pastei always use a extra step which is
using the nvda key + letter C and it will tell me if there is text there
or not.


My self i do not need to know or hear it say copy or paste. it is just
a matter of when i do do a copy i put in that extra step.


The same idea if you use the nvda key + f9 key to start a mark and
then the nvda key + f10 to say it has been copied i can confirm with
the extra step if needed.


Gene nz



On 22/02/2017 11:38 AM, Kwork wrote:
I used that add-on for a short while. The problem I found was that it
wasn't reliable. There were times that I'd use it, hear the
announcement, only to find that the action hadn't been true to the
announcement. The add-on seems to verify the keystroke, but doesn't
wait to do so till after the action itself has been verified. This is
one small area where Jaws is still ahead.
Travis
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Griffith" <daj.griffith@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 6:00 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda announcing clipboard functions and other
keystrokes


There is an addon which makes these announcements available.


It is called Fake Clipboard announce or something like that.

You should able to find it on the addons repositary.



David Griffith

On 21/02/2017 12:32, erik burggraaf wrote:

Hi, I have to figure this out and don't have an nvda machine to poke
around on. It never used to bother me that NVDA doesn't announce
cut, copy, paste, in particular, and other functions accessible
using windows standard keys, but I've got a friend who is a new user
of NVDA and he needs some more feedback from keystrokes,
particularly these clipboard functions. Is there a setting to enable
speaking for these keys, or do I need to install an add-on for this?

Thanks,

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Re: Questions and suggestions

Gene
 

That isn't the reason and that argument is irrelevant.  The system tray wasn't accessible years ago through Windows.  There needed to be a screen-reader dialog to provide access.  That's how the whole separate access got started and System Access uses the same command.  Window-eyes uses a different command but it too provides a system tray dialog. 
 
There are times, like it or not, when the dialog works better than using the Windows access method and it should be provided as a part of screen-readers. 
 
Sometimes, I get access to something using the Windows method when the dialog doesn't work properly and at other times, I have found the only way I've gotten access to an item is by using the dialog.  These instances where one or the other method doesn't work are rare but the argument that the screen-reader dialog method is nothing but duplication is not correct. 
Gene

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Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 10:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Questions and suggestions

Because NVDA is not jaws, and there's no reason to make it mirror jaws keystrokes.  The windows-b keystroke will work no matter what you use for a screen reader, since it's a windows command.  That's why NVDA uses it.  There is no dedicated NVDA keystroke for this function.



On 2/23/2017 8:36 PM, Arlene wrote:

Hi, I don’t know if I can say here! When you go to your system trey. Why not make future builds of NVDA be insert F 11? Instead of windows B. 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Damien Sykes-Lindley
Sent: February-23-17 9:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Questions and suggestions

 

Hi Gene,

Hotkeys are indeed excellent. One of the first thing I look for in a program is hotkeys. In fact, some have so many that it’s hard to memorise all of them. But at least they’re there!

The only problem I have with Windows shortcuts being linked to them is that, because they are global throughout the whole system, it can unfortunately cause conflicts with other running applications that utilise those shortcuts. For instance, I could assign a ctrl+alt+q shortcut to launch QWS (a MIDI sequencer), and another application may use ctrl+alt+q to mean quit. I have known ctrl+alt+o for options, ctrl+alt+x for exit, ctrl+alt+n/p for next/previous, all of which can be assigned to a Windows hotkey, and then it’s touch and go as to which item activates. Otherwise, I’m definitely all for hotkeys!

As an aside, I must admit I do find it odd, and mildly frustrating that there are four modifier keys that can be used to register hotkeys and yet it is still possible to run out of logical keys! This is even more so for global shortcut-linked ones, since I think you can only have ctrl+alt and ctrl+shift combos. Possibly if you’re extremely dextrous you might be able to have ctrl+shift+alt, I haven’t dared to try that one. Lol.

First letter navigation. Now you mention it I am aware of it. I use it all the time to move quickly to files in Explorer. But for some reason it didn’t cross my mind for the desktop (even though I know that is also controlled by explorer). I guess because my explorer is in detail view, and the desktop shows as a sort of grid layout I treated them as two separate systems. Strange how brains work!

Cheers.
Damien.





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Re: Questions and suggestions

Alexander Masic
 

You can atually donload a adons who made this. I have done it, However i'm using windows+b anyway, ok. i can se some advantages with this adons. partuculary for new users: because you can right or left click on it. by tab to that.

Den 2017-02-24 kl. 05:21, skrev Travis Siegel:

Because NVDA is not jaws, and there's no reason to make it mirror jaws keystrokes.  The windows-b keystroke will work no matter what you use for a screen reader, since it's a windows command.  That's why NVDA uses it.  There is no dedicated NVDA keystroke for this function.



On 2/23/2017 8:36 PM, Arlene wrote:

Hi, I don’t know if I can say here! When you go to your system trey. Why not make future builds of NVDA be insert F 11? Instead of windows B. 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Damien Sykes-Lindley
Sent: February-23-17 9:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Questions and suggestions

 

Hi Gene,

Hotkeys are indeed excellent. One of the first thing I look for in a program is hotkeys. In fact, some have so many that it’s hard to memorise all of them. But at least they’re there!

The only problem I have with Windows shortcuts being linked to them is that, because they are global throughout the whole system, it can unfortunately cause conflicts with other running applications that utilise those shortcuts. For instance, I could assign a ctrl+alt+q shortcut to launch QWS (a MIDI sequencer), and another application may use ctrl+alt+q to mean quit. I have known ctrl+alt+o for options, ctrl+alt+x for exit, ctrl+alt+n/p for next/previous, all of which can be assigned to a Windows hotkey, and then it’s touch and go as to which item activates. Otherwise, I’m definitely all for hotkeys!

As an aside, I must admit I do find it odd, and mildly frustrating that there are four modifier keys that can be used to register hotkeys and yet it is still possible to run out of logical keys! This is even more so for global shortcut-linked ones, since I think you can only have ctrl+alt and ctrl+shift combos. Possibly if you’re extremely dextrous you might be able to have ctrl+shift+alt, I haven’t dared to try that one. Lol.

First letter navigation. Now you mention it I am aware of it. I use it all the time to move quickly to files in Explorer. But for some reason it didn’t cross my mind for the desktop (even though I know that is also controlled by explorer). I guess because my explorer is in detail view, and the desktop shows as a sort of grid layout I treated them as two separate systems. Strange how brains work!

Cheers.
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Re: Questions and suggestions

Arlene
 

I just tried Insert B using Jaws 14. It takes you to the trey!

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Travis Siegel
Sent: February-23-17 8:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Questions and suggestions

 

Because NVDA is not jaws, and there's no reason to make it mirror jaws keystrokes.  The windows-b keystroke will work no matter what you use for a screen reader, since it's a windows command.  That's why NVDA uses it.  There is no dedicated NVDA keystroke for this function.

 

 

On 2/23/2017 8:36 PM, Arlene wrote:

Hi, I don’t know if I can say here! When you go to your system trey. Why not make future builds of NVDA be insert F 11? Instead of windows B. 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Damien Sykes-Lindley
Sent: February-23-17 9:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Questions and suggestions

 

Hi Gene,

Hotkeys are indeed excellent. One of the first thing I look for in a program is hotkeys. In fact, some have so many that it’s hard to memorise all of them. But at least they’re there!

The only problem I have with Windows shortcuts being linked to them is that, because they are global throughout the whole system, it can unfortunately cause conflicts with other running applications that utilise those shortcuts. For instance, I could assign a ctrl+alt+q shortcut to launch QWS (a MIDI sequencer), and another application may use ctrl+alt+q to mean quit. I have known ctrl+alt+o for options, ctrl+alt+x for exit, ctrl+alt+n/p for next/previous, all of which can be assigned to a Windows hotkey, and then it’s touch and go as to which item activates. Otherwise, I’m definitely all for hotkeys!

As an aside, I must admit I do find it odd, and mildly frustrating that there are four modifier keys that can be used to register hotkeys and yet it is still possible to run out of logical keys! This is even more so for global shortcut-linked ones, since I think you can only have ctrl+alt and ctrl+shift combos. Possibly if you’re extremely dextrous you might be able to have ctrl+shift+alt, I haven’t dared to try that one. Lol.

First letter navigation. Now you mention it I am aware of it. I use it all the time to move quickly to files in Explorer. But for some reason it didn’t cross my mind for the desktop (even though I know that is also controlled by explorer). I guess because my explorer is in detail view, and the desktop shows as a sort of grid layout I treated them as two separate systems. Strange how brains work!

Cheers.
Damien.




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Re: Questions and suggestions

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

Because NVDA is not jaws, and there's no reason to make it mirror jaws keystrokes.  The windows-b keystroke will work no matter what you use for a screen reader, since it's a windows command.  That's why NVDA uses it.  There is no dedicated NVDA keystroke for this function.



On 2/23/2017 8:36 PM, Arlene wrote:

Hi, I don’t know if I can say here! When you go to your system trey. Why not make future builds of NVDA be insert F 11? Instead of windows B. 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Damien Sykes-Lindley
Sent: February-23-17 9:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Questions and suggestions

 

Hi Gene,

Hotkeys are indeed excellent. One of the first thing I look for in a program is hotkeys. In fact, some have so many that it’s hard to memorise all of them. But at least they’re there!

The only problem I have with Windows shortcuts being linked to them is that, because they are global throughout the whole system, it can unfortunately cause conflicts with other running applications that utilise those shortcuts. For instance, I could assign a ctrl+alt+q shortcut to launch QWS (a MIDI sequencer), and another application may use ctrl+alt+q to mean quit. I have known ctrl+alt+o for options, ctrl+alt+x for exit, ctrl+alt+n/p for next/previous, all of which can be assigned to a Windows hotkey, and then it’s touch and go as to which item activates. Otherwise, I’m definitely all for hotkeys!

As an aside, I must admit I do find it odd, and mildly frustrating that there are four modifier keys that can be used to register hotkeys and yet it is still possible to run out of logical keys! This is even more so for global shortcut-linked ones, since I think you can only have ctrl+alt and ctrl+shift combos. Possibly if you’re extremely dextrous you might be able to have ctrl+shift+alt, I haven’t dared to try that one. Lol.

First letter navigation. Now you mention it I am aware of it. I use it all the time to move quickly to files in Explorer. But for some reason it didn’t cross my mind for the desktop (even though I know that is also controlled by explorer). I guess because my explorer is in detail view, and the desktop shows as a sort of grid layout I treated them as two separate systems. Strange how brains work!

Cheers.
Damien.





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Re: NVDA Web Browser Problem

Arlene
 

Thanks, I’ve seen posts about mathplayer and gathered that it is used for office programs. Thought I’d better ask what it was for!

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: February-23-17 7:55 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem

 

Oh, don't be ashamed to ask - you never find out if you don't :)

 

On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 2:48 PM, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:

I gathered that much that was what it was.  I figured it was to do with office programs like Microsoft word I finally got the courage to ask what mathplayer was.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: February-23-17 7:44 PM


To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem

 

Arlene,

 

MathPlayer by Design Science is a tool which lets you read and write mathematical equations in Microsoft Office and on the web: https://www.dessci.com/en/products/mathplayer/  Note that for some features, you also need MathType from the same site (MathPlayer is free, MathType costs $97 ($57 academic).

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 2:40 PM, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:

What is mathplayer?


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of nasrin khaksar
Sent: February-23-17 6:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem

hi.
i was not familiar with mathplayer.
but many months ago, i had this problem because of uninstalling one office program.
i reinstalled office as the people in the list recommended me and the problem is solved.
i had this problem only with firefox, not internet explorer.

On 2/24/17, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
> Good point Angelo, I often forget to suggest add-ons!
>
> The one you want Arlene is SysTrayList:
> https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/systrayList.en.html
>
> It does exactly what you want - sets NVDA+F11 to let you access the
> items in the system tray.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Quentin.
>
> On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 12:56 PM, Angelo Sonnesso
> <asonnesso@...>
> wrote:
>
>> There is an NVDA add-in that uses the F11 key.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 73 N2DYN Angelo
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf
>> Of *Quentin Christensen
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 23, 2017 8:55 PM
>>
>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Arlene,
>>
>>
>>
>> WINDOWS+B is a Windows command itself, not an NVDA command.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you open the taskbar settings (easiest way is to open the start
>> menu and start typing "taskbar"), then "Select which icons appear on
>> the taskbar", make sure that "always show all icons in the notification area"
>> is checked then it will ensure that you don't need to look in the
>> notification overflow area to find some.
>>
>>
>> I think providing access to all notification tray icons even without
>> that setting is the main extra thing that the Jaws setting does?
>>
>>
>> That being the case, we didn't want to use up a command to duplicate
>> something which could already be achieved with an existing command.
>> As for why Windows chose WINDOWS+B to get to the notification area, I
>> have never figured that out.
>>
>>
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>>
>>
>> Quentin.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 12:33 PM, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:
>>
>> Oh, okay! Happy learning! NVDA is good. I use both.Jaws and NVDA.
>> Here's more if you want to know. If you want to go to your system
>> ttrey. With NVDA It's windows B.  Don't ask me why that is.  I wished
>> like Jaws it's insert F
>> 11
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>> Louis Maher
>>
>> Sent: February-23-17 11:41 AM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem
>>
>> Hi Arlene,
>>
>> JAWS is my primary screen reader, and I do not have any issues with it.
>> I
>> am trying to learn NVDA.
>>
>>
>> Regards
>> Louis Maher
>> Phone: 713-444-7838
>> E-mail: ljmaher@...
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>> Arlene
>> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:31 PM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem
>>
>> Hi, Do you have another back up screen reader to rectify your
>> problem? If you do, then try your back up screen reader and see if
>> you have that same problem!  If NVDA is your primary screen reader you are in trouble.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>> Louis Maher
>> Sent: February-23-17 10:49 AM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem
>>
>> Folks,
>>
>> Several weeks ago, my NVDA (version 16.4) was unable to access
>> Firefox (51.?).  When I opened a webpage, the arrow keys just said
>> unknown when I used them.  I uninstalled NVDA and Firefox and
>> re-installed both.  I am now on NVDA 17.1), and I have the same
>> issue.
>>
>> Any suggestions would be appreciated.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards
>> Louis Maher
>> Phone: 713-444-7838
>> E-mail: ljmaher@...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Quentin Christensen
>> Training Material Developer
>>
>> Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available:
>> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>>
>>
>>
>> Ph +61 7 3149 3306
>>
>> www.nvaccess.org
>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
>> Twitter: @NVAccess
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Quentin Christensen
> Training Material Developer
> Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available:
> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>
> Ph +61 7 3149 3306
> www.nvaccess.org
> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
> Twitter: @NVAccess
>


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holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages al-islam.org






 

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Quentin Christensen
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Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 



 

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Training Material Developer

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 

Re: NVDA Web Browser Problem

Quentin Christensen
 

Oh, don't be ashamed to ask - you never find out if you don't :)

On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 2:48 PM, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:

I gathered that much that was what it was.  I figured it was to do with office programs like Microsoft word I finally got the courage to ask what mathplayer was.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: February-23-17 7:44 PM


To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem

 

Arlene,

 

MathPlayer by Design Science is a tool which lets you read and write mathematical equations in Microsoft Office and on the web: https://www.dessci.com/en/products/mathplayer/  Note that for some features, you also need MathType from the same site (MathPlayer is free, MathType costs $97 ($57 academic).

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 2:40 PM, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:

What is mathplayer?


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of nasrin khaksar
Sent: February-23-17 6:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem

hi.
i was not familiar with mathplayer.
but many months ago, i had this problem because of uninstalling one office program.
i reinstalled office as the people in the list recommended me and the problem is solved.
i had this problem only with firefox, not internet explorer.

On 2/24/17, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
> Good point Angelo, I often forget to suggest add-ons!
>
> The one you want Arlene is SysTrayList:
> https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/systrayList.en.html
>
> It does exactly what you want - sets NVDA+F11 to let you access the
> items in the system tray.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Quentin.
>
> On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 12:56 PM, Angelo Sonnesso
> <asonnesso@...>
> wrote:
>
>> There is an NVDA add-in that uses the F11 key.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 73 N2DYN Angelo
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf
>> Of *Quentin Christensen
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 23, 2017 8:55 PM
>>
>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Arlene,
>>
>>
>>
>> WINDOWS+B is a Windows command itself, not an NVDA command.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you open the taskbar settings (easiest way is to open the start
>> menu and start typing "taskbar"), then "Select which icons appear on
>> the taskbar", make sure that "always show all icons in the notification area"
>> is checked then it will ensure that you don't need to look in the
>> notification overflow area to find some.
>>
>>
>> I think providing access to all notification tray icons even without
>> that setting is the main extra thing that the Jaws setting does?
>>
>>
>> That being the case, we didn't want to use up a command to duplicate
>> something which could already be achieved with an existing command.
>> As for why Windows chose WINDOWS+B to get to the notification area, I
>> have never figured that out.
>>
>>
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>>
>>
>> Quentin.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 12:33 PM, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:
>>
>> Oh, okay! Happy learning! NVDA is good. I use both.Jaws and NVDA.
>> Here's more if you want to know. If you want to go to your system
>> ttrey. With NVDA It's windows B.  Don't ask me why that is.  I wished
>> like Jaws it's insert F
>> 11
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>> Louis Maher
>>
>> Sent: February-23-17 11:41 AM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem
>>
>> Hi Arlene,
>>
>> JAWS is my primary screen reader, and I do not have any issues with it.
>> I
>> am trying to learn NVDA.
>>
>>
>> Regards
>> Louis Maher
>> Phone: 713-444-7838
>> E-mail: ljmaher@...
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>> Arlene
>> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:31 PM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem
>>
>> Hi, Do you have another back up screen reader to rectify your
>> problem? If you do, then try your back up screen reader and see if
>> you have that same problem!  If NVDA is your primary screen reader you are in trouble.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>> Louis Maher
>> Sent: February-23-17 10:49 AM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem
>>
>> Folks,
>>
>> Several weeks ago, my NVDA (version 16.4) was unable to access
>> Firefox (51.?).  When I opened a webpage, the arrow keys just said
>> unknown when I used them.  I uninstalled NVDA and Firefox and
>> re-installed both.  I am now on NVDA 17.1), and I have the same
>> issue.
>>
>> Any suggestions would be appreciated.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards
>> Louis Maher
>> Phone: 713-444-7838
>> E-mail: ljmaher@...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Quentin Christensen
>> Training Material Developer
>>
>> Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available:
>> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>>
>>
>>
>> Ph +61 7 3149 3306
>>
>> www.nvaccess.org
>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
>> Twitter: @NVAccess
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Quentin Christensen
> Training Material Developer
> Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available:
> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>
> Ph +61 7 3149 3306
> www.nvaccess.org
> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
> Twitter: @NVAccess
>


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages al-islam.org







 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 




--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 

Re: NVDA Web Browser Problem

Arlene
 

I gathered that much that was what it was.  I figured it was to do with office programs like Microsoft word I finally got the courage to ask what mathplayer was.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: February-23-17 7:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem

 

Arlene,

 

MathPlayer by Design Science is a tool which lets you read and write mathematical equations in Microsoft Office and on the web: https://www.dessci.com/en/products/mathplayer/  Note that for some features, you also need MathType from the same site (MathPlayer is free, MathType costs $97 ($57 academic).

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 2:40 PM, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:

What is mathplayer?


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of nasrin khaksar
Sent: February-23-17 6:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem

hi.
i was not familiar with mathplayer.
but many months ago, i had this problem because of uninstalling one office program.
i reinstalled office as the people in the list recommended me and the problem is solved.
i had this problem only with firefox, not internet explorer.

On 2/24/17, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
> Good point Angelo, I often forget to suggest add-ons!
>
> The one you want Arlene is SysTrayList:
> https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/systrayList.en.html
>
> It does exactly what you want - sets NVDA+F11 to let you access the
> items in the system tray.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Quentin.
>
> On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 12:56 PM, Angelo Sonnesso
> <asonnesso@...>
> wrote:
>
>> There is an NVDA add-in that uses the F11 key.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 73 N2DYN Angelo
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf
>> Of *Quentin Christensen
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 23, 2017 8:55 PM
>>
>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Arlene,
>>
>>
>>
>> WINDOWS+B is a Windows command itself, not an NVDA command.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you open the taskbar settings (easiest way is to open the start
>> menu and start typing "taskbar"), then "Select which icons appear on
>> the taskbar", make sure that "always show all icons in the notification area"
>> is checked then it will ensure that you don't need to look in the
>> notification overflow area to find some.
>>
>>
>> I think providing access to all notification tray icons even without
>> that setting is the main extra thing that the Jaws setting does?
>>
>>
>> That being the case, we didn't want to use up a command to duplicate
>> something which could already be achieved with an existing command.
>> As for why Windows chose WINDOWS+B to get to the notification area, I
>> have never figured that out.
>>
>>
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>>
>>
>> Quentin.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 12:33 PM, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:
>>
>> Oh, okay! Happy learning! NVDA is good. I use both.Jaws and NVDA.
>> Here's more if you want to know. If you want to go to your system
>> ttrey. With NVDA It's windows B.  Don't ask me why that is.  I wished
>> like Jaws it's insert F
>> 11
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>> Louis Maher
>>
>> Sent: February-23-17 11:41 AM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem
>>
>> Hi Arlene,
>>
>> JAWS is my primary screen reader, and I do not have any issues with it.
>> I
>> am trying to learn NVDA.
>>
>>
>> Regards
>> Louis Maher
>> Phone: 713-444-7838
>> E-mail: ljmaher@...
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>> Arlene
>> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:31 PM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem
>>
>> Hi, Do you have another back up screen reader to rectify your
>> problem? If you do, then try your back up screen reader and see if
>> you have that same problem!  If NVDA is your primary screen reader you are in trouble.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>> Louis Maher
>> Sent: February-23-17 10:49 AM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem
>>
>> Folks,
>>
>> Several weeks ago, my NVDA (version 16.4) was unable to access
>> Firefox (51.?).  When I opened a webpage, the arrow keys just said
>> unknown when I used them.  I uninstalled NVDA and Firefox and
>> re-installed both.  I am now on NVDA 17.1), and I have the same
>> issue.
>>
>> Any suggestions would be appreciated.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards
>> Louis Maher
>> Phone: 713-444-7838
>> E-mail: ljmaher@...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Quentin Christensen
>> Training Material Developer
>>
>> Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available:
>> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>>
>>
>>
>> Ph +61 7 3149 3306
>>
>> www.nvaccess.org
>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
>> Twitter: @NVAccess
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Quentin Christensen
> Training Material Developer
> Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available:
> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>
> Ph +61 7 3149 3306
> www.nvaccess.org
> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
> Twitter: @NVAccess
>


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages al-islam.org







 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 

Re: NVDA Web Browser Problem

Quentin Christensen
 

Arlene,

MathPlayer by Design Science is a tool which lets you read and write mathematical equations in Microsoft Office and on the web: https://www.dessci.com/en/products/mathplayer/  Note that for some features, you also need MathType from the same site (MathPlayer is free, MathType costs $97 ($57 academic).

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 2:40 PM, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:
What is mathplayer?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of nasrin khaksar
Sent: February-23-17 6:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem

hi.
i was not familiar with mathplayer.
but many months ago, i had this problem because of uninstalling one office program.
i reinstalled office as the people in the list recommended me and the problem is solved.
i had this problem only with firefox, not internet explorer.

On 2/24/17, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
> Good point Angelo, I often forget to suggest add-ons!
>
> The one you want Arlene is SysTrayList:
> https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/systrayList.en.html
>
> It does exactly what you want - sets NVDA+F11 to let you access the
> items in the system tray.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Quentin.
>
> On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 12:56 PM, Angelo Sonnesso
> <asonnesso@...>
> wrote:
>
>> There is an NVDA add-in that uses the F11 key.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 73 N2DYN Angelo
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf
>> Of *Quentin Christensen
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 23, 2017 8:55 PM
>>
>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Arlene,
>>
>>
>>
>> WINDOWS+B is a Windows command itself, not an NVDA command.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you open the taskbar settings (easiest way is to open the start
>> menu and start typing "taskbar"), then "Select which icons appear on
>> the taskbar", make sure that "always show all icons in the notification area"
>> is checked then it will ensure that you don't need to look in the
>> notification overflow area to find some.
>>
>>
>> I think providing access to all notification tray icons even without
>> that setting is the main extra thing that the Jaws setting does?
>>
>>
>> That being the case, we didn't want to use up a command to duplicate
>> something which could already be achieved with an existing command.
>> As for why Windows chose WINDOWS+B to get to the notification area, I
>> have never figured that out.
>>
>>
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>>
>>
>> Quentin.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 12:33 PM, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:
>>
>> Oh, okay! Happy learning! NVDA is good. I use both.Jaws and NVDA.
>> Here's more if you want to know. If you want to go to your system
>> ttrey. With NVDA It's windows B.  Don't ask me why that is.  I wished
>> like Jaws it's insert F
>> 11
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>> Louis Maher
>>
>> Sent: February-23-17 11:41 AM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem
>>
>> Hi Arlene,
>>
>> JAWS is my primary screen reader, and I do not have any issues with it.
>> I
>> am trying to learn NVDA.
>>
>>
>> Regards
>> Louis Maher
>> Phone: 713-444-7838
>> E-mail: ljmaher@...
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>> Arlene
>> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:31 PM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem
>>
>> Hi, Do you have another back up screen reader to rectify your
>> problem? If you do, then try your back up screen reader and see if
>> you have that same problem!  If NVDA is your primary screen reader you are in trouble.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>> Louis Maher
>> Sent: February-23-17 10:49 AM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem
>>
>> Folks,
>>
>> Several weeks ago, my NVDA (version 16.4) was unable to access
>> Firefox (51.?).  When I opened a webpage, the arrow keys just said
>> unknown when I used them.  I uninstalled NVDA and Firefox and
>> re-installed both.  I am now on NVDA 17.1), and I have the same
>> issue.
>>
>> Any suggestions would be appreciated.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards
>> Louis Maher
>> Phone: 713-444-7838
>> E-mail: ljmaher@...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Quentin Christensen
>> Training Material Developer
>>
>> Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available:
>> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>>
>>
>>
>> Ph +61 7 3149 3306
>>
>> www.nvaccess.org
>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
>> Twitter: @NVAccess
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Quentin Christensen
> Training Material Developer
> Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available:
> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>
> Ph +61 7 3149 3306
> www.nvaccess.org
> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
> Twitter: @NVAccess
>


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in the very authentic narration is:
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Re: NVDA Web Browser Problem

Arlene
 

What is mathplayer?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of nasrin khaksar
Sent: February-23-17 6:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem

hi.
i was not familiar with mathplayer.
but many months ago, i had this problem because of uninstalling one office program.
i reinstalled office as the people in the list recommended me and the problem is solved.
i had this problem only with firefox, not internet explorer.

On 2/24/17, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
Good point Angelo, I often forget to suggest add-ons!

The one you want Arlene is SysTrayList:
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/systrayList.en.html

It does exactly what you want - sets NVDA+F11 to let you access the
items in the system tray.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 12:56 PM, Angelo Sonnesso
<@asonnesso>
wrote:

There is an NVDA add-in that uses the F11 key.





73 N2DYN Angelo



*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf
Of *Quentin Christensen
*Sent:* Thursday, February 23, 2017 8:55 PM

*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem



Hi Arlene,



WINDOWS+B is a Windows command itself, not an NVDA command.



If you open the taskbar settings (easiest way is to open the start
menu and start typing "taskbar"), then "Select which icons appear on
the taskbar", make sure that "always show all icons in the notification area"
is checked then it will ensure that you don't need to look in the
notification overflow area to find some.


I think providing access to all notification tray icons even without
that setting is the main extra thing that the Jaws setting does?


That being the case, we didn't want to use up a command to duplicate
something which could already be achieved with an existing command.
As for why Windows chose WINDOWS+B to get to the notification area, I
have never figured that out.



Kind regards



Quentin.



On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 12:33 PM, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:

Oh, okay! Happy learning! NVDA is good. I use both.Jaws and NVDA.
Here's more if you want to know. If you want to go to your system
ttrey. With NVDA It's windows B. Don't ask me why that is. I wished
like Jaws it's insert F
11

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Louis Maher

Sent: February-23-17 11:41 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem

Hi Arlene,

JAWS is my primary screen reader, and I do not have any issues with it.
I
am trying to learn NVDA.


Regards
Louis Maher
Phone: 713-444-7838
E-mail: ljmaher@...

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Arlene
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:31 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem

Hi, Do you have another back up screen reader to rectify your
problem? If you do, then try your back up screen reader and see if
you have that same problem! If NVDA is your primary screen reader you are in trouble.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Louis Maher
Sent: February-23-17 10:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem

Folks,

Several weeks ago, my NVDA (version 16.4) was unable to access
Firefox (51.?). When I opened a webpage, the arrow keys just said
unknown when I used them. I uninstalled NVDA and Firefox and
re-installed both. I am now on NVDA 17.1), and I have the same
issue.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.



Regards
Louis Maher
Phone: 713-444-7838
E-mail: ljmaher@...

















--

Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/



Ph +61 7 3149 3306

www.nvaccess.org
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess




--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Ph +61 7 3149 3306
www.nvaccess.org
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess

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we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages al-islam.org

Re: Questions and suggestions

Arlene
 

Confirmed! I can get to the system trey using windows B with Jaws 14 along with NVDA I’ll just have to pay a visit to the addons site.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: February-23-17 6:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Questions and suggestions

 

Just for completeness, since the same topic is in both threads, you can do this with the SysTrayList addon: https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/systrayList.en.html

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 12:59 PM, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:

Oh I see. I seen with other screen readers it was insert F 11. Just my 2 cents.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Andre Fisher
Sent: February-23-17 5:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Questions and suggestions

Because Windows+B is the Windows specific shortcut.

On 2/23/17, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:
> Hi, I don’t know if I can say here! When you go to your system trey.
> Why not make future builds of NVDA be insert F 11? Instead of windows B.
>
>
>
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
> Damien Sykes-Lindley
> Sent: February-23-17 9:06 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Questions and suggestions
>
>
>
> Hi Gene,
>
> Hotkeys are indeed excellent. One of the first thing I look for in a
> program is hotkeys. In fact, some have so many that it’s hard to
> memorise all of them. But at least they’re there!
>
> The only problem I have with Windows shortcuts being linked to them is
> that, because they are global throughout the whole system, it can
> unfortunately cause conflicts with other running applications that
> utilise those shortcuts. For instance, I could assign a ctrl+alt+q
> shortcut to launch QWS (a MIDI sequencer), and another application may use ctrl+alt+q to mean quit.
> I have known ctrl+alt+o for options, ctrl+alt+x for exit, ctrl+alt+n/p
> for next/previous, all of which can be assigned to a Windows hotkey,
> and then it’s touch and go as to which item activates. Otherwise, I’m
> definitely all for hotkeys!
>
> As an aside, I must admit I do find it odd, and mildly frustrating
> that there are four modifier keys that can be used to register hotkeys
> and yet it is still possible to run out of logical keys! This is even
> more so for global shortcut-linked ones, since I think you can only
> have ctrl+alt and
> ctrl+shift combos. Possibly if you’re extremely dextrous you might be

> ctrl+able
> to have ctrl+shift+alt, I haven’t dared to try that one. Lol.
>
> First letter navigation. Now you mention it I am aware of it. I use it
> all the time to move quickly to files in Explorer. But for some reason
> it didn’t cross my mind for the desktop (even though I know that is
> also controlled by explorer). I guess because my explorer is in detail
> view, and the desktop shows as a sort of grid layout I treated them as two separate systems.
> Strange how brains work!
>
> Cheers.
> Damien.
>
>
>
>







 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

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