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Re: Speak numbers in crores and lacs instead of millions and billions

Rui Fontes
 

A small mistake... and don't know from where it appeared...

I just check my manifest.ini and says:

name = numberProcessing
summary = "Digits Reader"
description = """A new way to read digits"""
author = "Roberto Buffolino"
url = None
version = 1.0
docFileName = readme.html
minimumNVDAVersion = 2019.2.0
lastTestedNVDAVersion = 2019.3.0
updateChannel = None


Rui Fontes



Às 10:56 de 24/03/2020, ChrisLeo escreveu:

Hi Rui,

I'm sure it wasn't done on purpose, but before changing the author's
name, read carefully the included license.



The author is called Alberto Buffolino, and the only link he has
published is:

https://github.com/ABuffEr/numberProcessing


greetings from italy, or what's left of it ...


chris.



Rui Fontes wrote on 22/03/2020 alle 15:24:

Hello!


The add-on is from Roberto Buffolino...

Tiflotecnia only makes it available, specially for portuguese language
community...



Re: Speak numbers in crores and lacs instead of millions and billions

ChrisLeo
 

Hi Rui,

I'm sure it wasn't done on purpose, but before changing the author's
name, read carefully the included license.



The author is called Alberto Buffolino, and the only link he has
published is:

https://github.com/ABuffEr/numberProcessing


greetings from italy, or what's left of it ...


chris.



Rui Fontes wrote on 22/03/2020 alle 15:24:


Hello!


The add-on is from Roberto Buffolino...

Tiflotecnia only makes it available, specially for portuguese language
community...


locked Re: Statement from Joseph Lee regarding NVDA add-ons and Windows XP support requests: no more, period

 

I don't understand why people are still running XP and then actually expecting long term support? Never has made sense to me, at all. If you want some discounted computers, check below.

ComCast essentials offers refurbished computers to customers, especially during their free internet giveaway.

Computers for the blind lets people buy refurbished computers.

United Cerebral Palsy foundation gives refurbished computers to nursing homes and people within supportive living facilities.

And, you can always go to best buy, filter by specs than by price, low to high, and then buy the results directly from the manufacturer.


Re: NVDA addon development beginner

 

yes, i tried several times.
unfortunately skype for web does not support firefox anymore.
and it requires only recent versions of google chrome or microsoft edge!
https://web.skype.com
thanks for your recommendation and God bless you!

On 3/24/20, Robert Doc Wright godfearer <godfearer@...> wrote:
Have you tried accessing skype from their web page?
http://www.skype.com

******
If we don't take time to think before we speak we may find ourselves in a
situation where our speech becomes a bit stinky!
----- Original Message -----
From: "zahra" <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2020 7:01 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA addon development beginner


skype does not support windows xp and using newer windows is not
possible for me now.

On 3/23/20, Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io <k_gunness=yahoo.ca@groups.io>
wrote:
what is rong with your windows
the latest desktop skype supports windows 10

----- Original Message -----
From: "zahra" <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2020 6:12 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA addon development beginner


thanks God, one of the developers answers and helps me very kind.
but with other developers, i have not method for contacting them
directly and one of them did not answer me!
i dont have social medias except skype and email,
and unfortunately skype does not support my windows since march of
2019!

On 3/23/20, zahra via Groups.Io <nasrinkhaksar3=gmail.com@groups.io>
wrote:
hi brian.
thanks for your reply.
i wished to contact nvda developers directly.
i subscribed to github in previous years, and sent tens of comments
and suggestions, and said my views about some of the reported issues.
but i wish to find a solution to contact nvda developers directly,
which i did not find!
and from one of the developers, which i contacted him directly,
unfortunately did not recieve a reply!

even if i use newer versions, i cant use newer versions of nvda for
several reasons.
one of the reasons is lack of american english US with my native
language (persian), which is removed in nvda 2017.4 and later!
i needed two or three fixes in newer versions only.
unless if someone send me a workaround.

thanks for your help, God bless you!

On 3/22/20, Brian Vogel <@britechguy> wrote:
zahra,

I gave the direct link to the nvda-devel home page on Groups.io in my
last
message. Those pages (for any given group) always include the Group
Email
Addresses section with the pertinent subscribe, unsubscribe, etc.,
addresses.

Also, if you look at the group description in my prior message, and
take
a
look at the more detailed one on the actual group page, it is made
abundantly clear that this group is not meant for end-user support or
suggestions. In fact, the main page description ends with, "Please
note
this is not a general user support list."

I created a tutorial last month: Creating a Github Account (
https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=1TJx5cRPsCvDAXF0FE0hv7Jkow7kj7FOY
) , which I'd suggest you, or anyone interested with direct
communication
with the NVDA team, have a look at. It is my intention to create
additional
tutorials as individuals wish to do specific things under GitHub.

By the way, I have seen no indication from you that you have finally
moved
on from Windows XP. If that is the case you really cannot use any
currently
supported version of NVDA and any feature changes will remain
unavailable
to
you until you move to Windows 8 (which I do not recommend) or Windows
10.

--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

*Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.*

~ Madonna




--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali




--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali






--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali






--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Curiosity questing

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

Has anyone investigated whether it is possible to run the NVDA portable version from a web site? I was thinking about what System Access did and wondered if it were possible. If it is then we could have access to speech anywhere we went.
******
If we don't take time to think before we speak we may find ourselves in a situation where our speech becomes a bit stinky!


Re: NVDA addon development beginner

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

Have you tried accessing skype from their web page?
http://www.skype.com

******
If we don't take time to think before we speak we may find ourselves in a situation where our speech becomes a bit stinky!

----- Original Message -----
From: "zahra" <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2020 7:01 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA addon development beginner


skype does not support windows xp and using newer windows is not
possible for me now.

On 3/23/20, Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io <k_gunness=yahoo.ca@groups.io> wrote:
what is rong with your windows
the latest desktop skype supports windows 10

----- Original Message -----
From: "zahra" <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2020 6:12 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA addon development beginner


thanks God, one of the developers answers and helps me very kind.
but with other developers, i have not method for contacting them
directly and one of them did not answer me!
i dont have social medias except skype and email,
and unfortunately skype does not support my windows since march of 2019!

On 3/23/20, zahra via Groups.Io <nasrinkhaksar3=gmail.com@groups.io>
wrote:
hi brian.
thanks for your reply.
i wished to contact nvda developers directly.
i subscribed to github in previous years, and sent tens of comments
and suggestions, and said my views about some of the reported issues.
but i wish to find a solution to contact nvda developers directly,
which i did not find!
and from one of the developers, which i contacted him directly,
unfortunately did not recieve a reply!

even if i use newer versions, i cant use newer versions of nvda for
several reasons.
one of the reasons is lack of american english US with my native
language (persian), which is removed in nvda 2017.4 and later!
i needed two or three fixes in newer versions only.
unless if someone send me a workaround.

thanks for your help, God bless you!

On 3/22/20, Brian Vogel <@britechguy> wrote:
zahra,

I gave the direct link to the nvda-devel home page on Groups.io in my
last
message. Those pages (for any given group) always include the Group
Email
Addresses section with the pertinent subscribe, unsubscribe, etc.,
addresses.

Also, if you look at the group description in my prior message, and
take
a
look at the more detailed one on the actual group page, it is made
abundantly clear that this group is not meant for end-user support or
suggestions. In fact, the main page description ends with, "Please
note
this is not a general user support list."

I created a tutorial last month: Creating a Github Account (
https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=1TJx5cRPsCvDAXF0FE0hv7Jkow7kj7FOY
) , which I'd suggest you, or anyone interested with direct
communication
with the NVDA team, have a look at. It is my intention to create
additional
tutorials as individuals wish to do specific things under GitHub.

By the way, I have seen no indication from you that you have finally
moved
on from Windows XP. If that is the case you really cannot use any
currently
supported version of NVDA and any feature changes will remain
unavailable
to
you until you move to Windows 8 (which I do not recommend) or Windows
10.

--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

*Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.*

~ Madonna




--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali




--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali






--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali



Re: SayProductNameAndVersion V2020.03 for compatibilityspecification

abdul muhamin
 

Hi, good one, keep it up, have you updated all of your addons?, if so, give me the link to download all

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Patrick ZAJDA via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2020 6:14 PM
To: nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io; nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] SayProductNameAndVersion V2020.03 for compatibilityspecification

 

Hello all,

 

I just updated SayProductNameAndVersion add-on to reflect compatibility with the upcoming NVDA version.

 

Download link: https://github.com/Nardol/SayProductNameAndVersion/releases/download/v2020.03/sayProductNameAndVersion-2020.03.nvda-addon

 

Best regards,

--
Patrick ZAJDA

 


locked Re: Statement from Joseph Lee regarding NVDA add-ons and Windows XP support requests: no more, period

abdul muhamin
 

Hi, Zahra, why you don’t update your operating system and the NVDA to the latest versions to solve all your compatibility problems instead of asking support of the old software, you should use the new and fresh peace of software to avoid all the security risks

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: zahra
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2020 3:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Statement from Joseph Lee regarding NVDA add-ons andWindows XP support requests: no more, period

 

hi joseph.

as i mentioned in my emails, i only need two or three fixed in newer

versions of nvda for backporting to the supported versions of nvda on

xp.

and i promise that my request does not cause nvda crashing or

unresponsiveness in any version of windows!

my requests are only specific for firefox and contains important fixes

which i am sure benefits everyone.

 

On 3/23/20, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

> Hello NVDA users and add-on developers,

> First, I would like to reiterate how important it is that everyone listen

> to

> advice from reputable sources regarding COVID-19, including public health

> officials recommending folks to exercise social distancing for a while.

> Even

> if you do not feel sick, please help others by washing hands, practice

> social distancing, and monitor the situation regarding the pandemic and

> community spread. And since the NVDA community is a global movement, please

> support each other.

> Onto the matter at hand: for several days I have received requests about

> NVDA add-ons and Windows XP support. Requests have included making add-ons

> compatible with Windows XP again, compatibility issues, and backporting

> newer NVDA bug fixes and features to users of NVDA 2017.3, the last version

> compatible with Windows XP.

> At the moment there is no community guidance on support for Windows XP,

> with

> many people  asking others to upgrade to newer Windows releases. But as an

> individual add-on author and a contributor to NVDA screen reader project, I

> would like to take this time to make the following personal announcement:

> Effective April 15, 2020, if you ask me to do one or more of the following

> for Windows XP users, the answer you will get is, "sorry, no more, period."

> These include:

> *        Making add-ons compatible with Windows XP, Server 2003, Vista, and

> Server 2008

> *        Fixing compatibility issues and non-working add-ons after you

> knowingly install newer add-on releases on NVDA 2017.3 or earlier

> *        Backporting features and bug fixes from newer NVDA releases to NVDA

> 2017.3

> *        Maintaining a long-term support version of NVDA for Windows

> XP/Server 2003/Vista/Server 2008 users

> Most importantly, I will flatly say "no" if you ask me privately to ask NV

> Access and/or add-on developers about Windows XP support. Many features

> introduced in newer NVDA releases cannot be backported for various reasons,

> including risk of crashing NVDA (grammar error announcement, for example),

> incompatibility with Python 2 (broader Unicode support, for example),

> features that will not work properly with XP (screen curtain, for example),

> support for apps no longer recommended for wider use (outlook Express, for

> example), and broad changes that alters how add-ons work (speech refactor

> and multi-category settings dialog, for example). Several add-on authors

> have indicated reluctance to support XP, and in case of add-ons I'm either

> maintaining or have passed onto the community, none of them support NVDA

> 2019.2.1 or earlier, let alone Windows XP and friends.

> My personal statement above will not be in effect until April so that you

> can help others going through COVID-19 and for my statement as an

> individual

> developer to sink in. Note that I'm not speaking on behalf of other

> developers - others have their own policies regarding support for Windows

> XP. NV Access does provide a download link for NVDA 2017.3, the last

> version

> compatible with Windows XP.

> I know my statement is a huge blow to many of you. As much as I wanted

> folks

> to understand that end of support means end of support, and I understand

> that many of you cannot afford newer equipment and software releases

> (including moving to newer Windows releases), I felt it is time to make a

> bold statement and say "no" to Windows XP support. In the past, I did note

> on various NVDA forums that my add-ons will not and does not support

> Windows

> XP, but didn't announce a statement like this then, hoping that folks will

> understand the reality at last. But alas, it is time to officially close

> the

> doors to Windows XP support from my end - once again, this is an individual

> developer saying this, not on behalf of the community at large, knowing

> that

> others will make statements on their own.

> Thank you for understanding.

> Cheers,

> Joseph

>

 

 

--

By God,

were I given all the seven heavens

with all they contain

in order that

I may disobey God

by depriving an ant

from the husk of a grain of barley,

I would not do it.

imam ali

 

 

 


Re: eclipse add-on ready for 2019.3 rlease of NVDA?

abdul muhamin
 

Hi, why some of the addons, including this one is not officially supported by the community site? I suggest to gather all the addons at one place, so a new user can find the addons easily

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2020 9:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] eclipse add-on ready for 2019.3 rlease of NVDA?

 

Its not officially supported on the nvda community but the latest

version seems to be this.

 

https://github.com/albzan/eclipse-nvda/releases/download/0.6/eclipseEnhance-0.6.nvda-addon

 

Its supposed to work at least its description says it does.

 

 

 

On 24/03/2020 12:50 am, mslion wrote:

> Dear all,

> for my work I use eclipse and the accompanying add-on. Now I would

> like to update my NVDA but I need to know if this add-on for eclipse

> is compatible?

> Thanks in advance for your answers.

> With kind regards,

> Mitchel Snel

>

> .

 

 

 


Vocalizer with nvda

farhan israk
 

Is Vocalizer compatible with latest nvda? How much does it cost? I live in bangladesh. Paypal is not available in our country. How would some of my friends purchase it?


Add-on Updater and Control Usage Assistant 20.04 #addonrelease

 

Hi all,

 

Originally, I planned to release all 20.04 releases in one day, but realized that this can cause issues, so decided to split add-on releases in waves.

 

Add-on Updater and Control Usage Assistant 20.04 will be available in about an hour from now. Changes include:

  • Add-on Updater: resolves an issue where users could not see “check for add-on updates” option in NVDA tools menu after installing the add-on.
  • Control Usage Assistant: localization updates.

 

As always, you can check for add-on updates with the aptly named Add-on Updater add-on.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Free JAWS licence that was anounced today

 

Hi,

Ah, talking about another brainchild of mine?

This add-on was named “Control Usage Assistant” as it is meant to emulate context-sensitive help functionality found in JAWS. The name is a bit vague, and that was intentional: at one point, I thought about expanding it to cover navigator objects, but decided against it due to complexity involved.

In recent months, Control Usage Assistant added ability to tell you help information for more specialized controls, such as search box in Start menu, table navigation and what not, along with adding a browse mode window to go with it. Perhaps I might as well make it more useful by providing touch-friendly and/or braille user centric messages.

By the way, Control Usage Assistant is part of a growing number of add-ons where a prospective NVDA feature shows up as an add-on first before going to NVDA:

https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/2699

I maintain a private (and publicly visible) branch on my NVDA source code repo where I work on NVDA Core version of Control Usage Assistant i.e. built-in context-sensitive help functionality. Other add-ons that have gone through this route include significant parts of Windows 10 App Essentials, right mouse click gesture and touch typing toggle from Enhanced Touch Gestures, the entirety of Focus Highlight and Screen Curtain (maybe majority of Focus Highlight, I believe), among others (the opposite (i.e. something that was part of NVDA but now an add-on) did occur as well).

For those wishing to learn NVDA add-on development (after learning Python, of course): source code for my add-ons may look similar to NVDA’s own source code because I adhere to coding style guidelines from NV Access. I also include comments throughout the code so folks (including I) can understand what’s up. To keep things on topic, you can take a look at Control Usage Assistant add-on source code at:

https://github.com/josephsl/controlusageassistant

P.S. If you want to know how complex an add-on source code can become, take a look at source code for add-ons such as NVDA Remote, Developer Toolkit, StationPlaylist, and Add-on Updater (Add-on Updater is mine).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of hurrikennyandopo ...
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2020 11:31 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Free JAWS licence that was anounced today

 

Hi Quentin,

RE: Control usage assistant addon

Is the type of addon they are looking for, like the control usage assistant? In short what it does, is if you press the NVDA key and the letter H it will tell you what the focused element does. For example, if focused on a button, and you press Insert + H then you might hear "press the Enter key or spacebar". If focused on an element it will tell you what to do, and then you can press the Esc key. It works with NVDA 2019.3.1 but I have not tried it on 2020.1 beta yet as I have only just downloaded it.

When you are focused on an element, as you press Insert + H it will say "control usage assistant" every time and then give the relevant details for that focused object.

I think that if he suppresses NVDA from saying "control usage assistant" every time it wouldn't get annoying after a few times.

A general comment that I have is that the name is not necessarily readily identifiable as to what it does. It hints at usage and hints at assistant but I was not sure why the word control was used initially? When looking on the next page to see what it does, it explains it as an assistant for the focused control that you are on. Perhaps it could be called "focused control assistant". Also, should a brief one liner on the main addon page be added underneath each addon so that people have a better idea of what each addon is for before clicking on each one to find out what it does.

 

RE: Tip of the day addon

Another addon is tip of the day. It will give you little tips on how to use NVDA, but it has not been updated to work with NVDA 2019.3.1 and beyond. 

 

 

I used to install it on computers where the person was a new user when nvda was installed onto there computer.

I think Deric was the guy who made it. I can not remember what the last version of nvda it worked on maybe 2019.2.1??? or earlier?

That add on would be worth updating to work with a very new user to nvda.

 

Gene NZ

On 24/03/2020 1:22 pm, Quentin Christensen wrote:

I'm happy to explore the idea of hints or more help for new users if those with ideas on that want to contact me.

 

The open source being insecure argument is being disproved even more with every passing week.  Did you know 20% of code created for US government organisations now has to be open source?  Or that if you use a Windows computer, it includes open source code?  I've recently updated our Corporate and Government page to include more info on that: https://www.nvaccess.org/corporate-government/#OpenSource

 

Re the idea that NVDA is inferior because of the price, perhaps expressing it differently would help?  EG it is not that NVDA costs less to make than other programs, or is made with less care and attention.  Rather, that in creating a product which actually meets the needs of its audience, we have looked at not only the technical requirements of the software itself, but also the fact that the majority of blind people around the world have less access to education, employment and income, therefore, what good is a solution which meets the technical need but is inaccessible due to the prohibitive financial burden unnecessarily placed on end users?  NV Access have pursued a funding model which means we get the majority of our income from corporations like Microsoft, Mozilla, Google, etc, rather than the end user.  Therefore, NVDA is the most ethical screen reader available.

 

 

 

 

On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 9:17 AM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 04:57 PM, Devin Prater wrote:

but they understand the iPhone quickly, and JAWS too

I disagree with this statement, particularly with regard to JAWS.  I've been tutoring for years for JAWS, and I have yet to have a client understand it quickly, and that's even for folks who were very sophisticated Windows users prior to losing their site.

I had one client (and, yes, I know that one is not a valid sample) who could use the iPhone very proficiently, including VoiceOver, but who could never master the rotor (and not secondary to any motor issues).

After decades in IT one of the claims, about anything technology-related, that instantly makes me cringe is, "It's intuitive."   There is no such thing as a very highly featured system that is intuitive in any meaningful sense of that word.   Some are easier than others to get the hang of the basics, but all require intensive practice to master even the subset of non-basic commands a given user might use.   Microsoft Word is the perfect example of that.  It's dirt simple to create a dirt simple document, but when you start going beyond that, things get complicated and you can end up "in the weeds" with unbelievable speed if you try to guess what you need to do.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 


 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 


Re: Free JAWS licence that was anounced today

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi Quentin,

RE: Control usage assistant addon

Is the type of addon they are looking for, like the control usage assistant? In short what it does, is if you press the NVDA key and the letter H it will tell you what the focused element does. For example, if focused on a button, and you press Insert + H then you might hear "press the Enter key or spacebar". If focused on an element it will tell you what to do, and then you can press the Esc key. It works with NVDA 2019.3.1 but I have not tried it on 2020.1 beta yet as I have only just downloaded it.

When you are focused on an element, as you press Insert + H it will say "control usage assistant" every time and then give the relevant details for that focused object.

I think that if he suppresses NVDA from saying "control usage assistant" every time it wouldn't get annoying after a few times.

A general comment that I have is that the name is not necessarily readily identifiable as to what it does. It hints at usage and hints at assistant but I was not sure why the word control was used initially? When looking on the next page to see what it does, it explains it as an assistant for the focused control that you are on. Perhaps it could be called "focused control assistant". Also, should a brief one liner on the main addon page be added underneath each addon so that people have a better idea of what each addon is for before clicking on each one to find out what it does.


RE: Tip of the day addon

Another addon is tip of the day. It will give you little tips on how to use NVDA, but it has not been updated to work with NVDA 2019.3.1 and beyond. 



I used to install it on computers where the person was a new user when nvda was installed onto there computer.

I think Deric was the guy who made it. I can not remember what the last version of nvda it worked on maybe 2019.2.1??? or earlier?

That add on would be worth updating to work with a very new user to nvda.


Gene NZ

On 24/03/2020 1:22 pm, Quentin Christensen wrote:
I'm happy to explore the idea of hints or more help for new users if those with ideas on that want to contact me.

The open source being insecure argument is being disproved even more with every passing week.  Did you know 20% of code created for US government organisations now has to be open source?  Or that if you use a Windows computer, it includes open source code?  I've recently updated our Corporate and Government page to include more info on that: https://www.nvaccess.org/corporate-government/#OpenSource

Re the idea that NVDA is inferior because of the price, perhaps expressing it differently would help?  EG it is not that NVDA costs less to make than other programs, or is made with less care and attention.  Rather, that in creating a product which actually meets the needs of its audience, we have looked at not only the technical requirements of the software itself, but also the fact that the majority of blind people around the world have less access to education, employment and income, therefore, what good is a solution which meets the technical need but is inaccessible due to the prohibitive financial burden unnecessarily placed on end users?  NV Access have pursued a funding model which means we get the majority of our income from corporations like Microsoft, Mozilla, Google, etc, rather than the end user.  Therefore, NVDA is the most ethical screen reader available.




On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 9:17 AM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 04:57 PM, Devin Prater wrote:
but they understand the iPhone quickly, and JAWS too
I disagree with this statement, particularly with regard to JAWS.  I've been tutoring for years for JAWS, and I have yet to have a client understand it quickly, and that's even for folks who were very sophisticated Windows users prior to losing their site.

I had one client (and, yes, I know that one is not a valid sample) who could use the iPhone very proficiently, including VoiceOver, but who could never master the rotor (and not secondary to any motor issues).

After decades in IT one of the claims, about anything technology-related, that instantly makes me cringe is, "It's intuitive."   There is no such thing as a very highly featured system that is intuitive in any meaningful sense of that word.   Some are easier than others to get the hang of the basics, but all require intensive practice to master even the subset of non-basic commands a given user might use.   Microsoft Word is the perfect example of that.  It's dirt simple to create a dirt simple document, but when you start going beyond that, things get complicated and you can end up "in the weeds" with unbelievable speed if you try to guess what you need to do.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 



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Training and Support Manager


Re: eclipse add-on ready for 2019.3 rlease of NVDA?

 

Its not officially supported on the nvda community but the latest version seems to be this.

https://github.com/albzan/eclipse-nvda/releases/download/0.6/eclipseEnhance-0.6.nvda-addon

Its supposed to work at least its description says it does.

On 24/03/2020 12:50 am, mslion wrote:
Dear all,
for my work I use eclipse and the accompanying add-on. Now I would
like to update my NVDA but I need to know if this add-on for eclipse
is compatible?
Thanks in advance for your answers.

With kind regards,
Mitchel Snel


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Query about Examity

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi everyone,

One for the students, or ex-students, today - has anyone encountered an online test provider called Examity?  I assume it's this one:  https://examity.com/ 

I had an inquiry from a school wondering if it works with NVDA.  I have reached out to them, but in the meantime thought I'd see if anyone else has used them and if so, what you found?

Kind regards

Quentin. 

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Training and Support Manager


Re: Vocalizer Expressive Driver

Andrea Sherry
 

When I attempt to select correct synth NVDA tells me "synthesiser error" and fails to load.
I suspect that it is something on my system. However i'm not quite sure what that could be.
Andrea

On 24/03/2020 11:22 am, Rui Fontes wrote:
Hello!


Download the new driver from:

https://www.tiflotecnia.net/Instal/vocalizer_expressive_driver-3.1.1.nvda-addon


If necessary, download the voices add-on from:

https://vocalizer-nvda.com


Best regards,

Customer support

Tiflotecnia, Lda.


Às 22:55 de 23/03/2020, Andrea Sherry escreveu:
Has ceased to function under the latest NVDA beta.
Has anyone else had this experience?
Andrea



Re: Podcast Reader

Sarah k Alawami
 

Very quickly, where can I get this from. From what a friend told me it is no longer availiable. I'm actually asking for this friend. I've ben at work as of late so have not even had the time to look this up on the internet. IN fact what my friend found was 10 years old.

Take care all.

\-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andrea Sherry

Sent: 22 March 2020 21:30

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] PodCast Reader



Is there a program works well with NVDA 20193.1 and Windows 10?
















Re: Free JAWS licence that was anounced today

Quentin Christensen
 

I'm happy to explore the idea of hints or more help for new users if those with ideas on that want to contact me.

The open source being insecure argument is being disproved even more with every passing week.  Did you know 20% of code created for US government organisations now has to be open source?  Or that if you use a Windows computer, it includes open source code?  I've recently updated our Corporate and Government page to include more info on that: https://www.nvaccess.org/corporate-government/#OpenSource

Re the idea that NVDA is inferior because of the price, perhaps expressing it differently would help?  EG it is not that NVDA costs less to make than other programs, or is made with less care and attention.  Rather, that in creating a product which actually meets the needs of its audience, we have looked at not only the technical requirements of the software itself, but also the fact that the majority of blind people around the world have less access to education, employment and income, therefore, what good is a solution which meets the technical need but is inaccessible due to the prohibitive financial burden unnecessarily placed on end users?  NV Access have pursued a funding model which means we get the majority of our income from corporations like Microsoft, Mozilla, Google, etc, rather than the end user.  Therefore, NVDA is the most ethical screen reader available.




On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 9:17 AM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 04:57 PM, Devin Prater wrote:
but they understand the iPhone quickly, and JAWS too
I disagree with this statement, particularly with regard to JAWS.  I've been tutoring for years for JAWS, and I have yet to have a client understand it quickly, and that's even for folks who were very sophisticated Windows users prior to losing their site.

I had one client (and, yes, I know that one is not a valid sample) who could use the iPhone very proficiently, including VoiceOver, but who could never master the rotor (and not secondary to any motor issues).

After decades in IT one of the claims, about anything technology-related, that instantly makes me cringe is, "It's intuitive."   There is no such thing as a very highly featured system that is intuitive in any meaningful sense of that word.   Some are easier than others to get the hang of the basics, but all require intensive practice to master even the subset of non-basic commands a given user might use.   Microsoft Word is the perfect example of that.  It's dirt simple to create a dirt simple document, but when you start going beyond that, things get complicated and you can end up "in the weeds" with unbelievable speed if you try to guess what you need to do.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Re: Vocalizer Expressive Driver

Rui Fontes
 

Hello!


Download the new driver from:

https://www.tiflotecnia.net/Instal/vocalizer_expressive_driver-3.1.1.nvda-addon


If necessary, download the voices add-on from:

https://vocalizer-nvda.com


Best regards,

Customer support

Tiflotecnia, Lda.


Às 22:55 de 23/03/2020, Andrea Sherry escreveu:

Has ceased to function under the latest NVDA beta.
Has anyone else had this experience?
Andrea


Re: Free JAWS licence that was anounced today

Gene
 

NVDA isn’t as user definable as JAWS.  It meets the needs of a lot of people but there are ways JAWS can be tailored, without scripts, using frames, that can meet the needs of many people in ways NVDA can’t, by allowing those without scripting knowledge to customize  it much more easily and conveniently than waiting for scripts from someone.  Years ago, I was helping someone who needed to sign into a virtual private network, have certain specific thihngs read, and have certain things read or repeated with specific commands.  Using frames, I was able to do these things.  I don’t have scripting knowledge and I would think many rehabilitation workers know how to work with frames who don’t know how to script.  And some or perhaps many users do as well.  Until NVDA is user definable in the same way, it will be at a disadvantage in arenas where customization is necessary that doesn’t require scripts.
 
There is no one best or one right screen-reader.  If NVDA is to be the industry standard, it must be more user definable. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2020 3:57 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Free JAWS licence that was anounced today
 
At the AT department I work for, we teach NVDA. We don’t put $1000 licenses, or even $100 ones, on our clients. Really, I think all that NVDA needs now is good hints, like JAWS has “tutor messages.” I know, there is an add-on, where one has to remember to press a keyboard command to open a help message, but if we have help messages built in, and extendable by other addons to other apps, configurable right from the welcome dialog, and turned off for people updating NVDA, NVDA will be even easier to learn. My students have me to teach them, but not all blind people are so fortunate.
 
Let’s say that NVDA does become the industry standard. What then? There are professionals who just dump equipment on blind people’s doorstep and leave it for blind people to learn. There are blind people who are told to just go buy a PC and have sighted help to slap NVDA on it, with the blind person knowing little to nothing about Windows. Sure, blind people may always need training, but they understand the iPhone quickly, and JAWS too. Can’t we emulate them at least as far as giving good beginner hints on using controls, or even basic tips for using Windows, using Tab, Arrows, Windows key, and maybe a link to Windows keyboard commands? Narrator does some of this, and I could see it, after its web navigation is tightened up, gaining lots of usage for it.

On Mar 23, 2020, at 3:32 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
 
On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 04:24 PM, Jesse Farquharson wrote:
an opensource program, means that you can have someone who is qualified come in to externally audit the software and say, "yes, this program is absolutely safe," if you are inclined to do so.
Yep, and not just for NVDA.  It seems that slowly, but surely, many IT professionals are getting "the powers that be" to recognize this.  There is far less resistance to open source software in the business market than there once was.  But since that resistance started out as absolute, it's still nowhere close to the degree of acceptance that should prevail.

That being said, there are many ways that current security suites use to analyze closed source code to see if it's been compromised.  There is good reason, very good reason, to believe that commercial software makers are not going to rob their customers (of passwords or cash, anyway - data is another matter altogether). 
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna