Date   
Re: two issues

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


There are 2 commands the first is for a desk top pc and the second is
for a lap top.


Say all
NVDA+downArrow
NVDA+a
Starts reading from the current position of the system caret, moving it
along as it goes


Gene nz

On 24/02/2017 9:26 AM, Sam Bushman wrote:
NVDA speaks when I am not trying to view the menus. On all other pc's when I
press the down arrow it works great but, on this machine it doesn't speak
when we try to arrow trough the menus in nvda.


Sam Bushman
LibertyRoundTable.com
801-756-9133

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene New
Zealand
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] two issues

Hi Sam


if you do a say all use the nvda key + down arrow key it will read the whole
message and you will not hear blank lines where they are. you only hear them
if you do it a line at a time by using the down arrow key each time.


I find it useful hearing them when writing up stuff.

The command was for a desk top pc.


the second question that you asked if NVDA is talking when you bring up the
preferences menu, just use the down arrow key and it will speak the first
item on the menu and where ever you go to in the menus with the arrow keys.


Or is it some thing else like nvda not speaking at all on the pc?


Gene nz




On 24/02/2017 8:53 AM, Sam Bushman wrote:
Hi All,

I have two main issues with NVDA that are causing me trouble.

1. When I read email in outlook 2016 office 365 I get tons of blank
lines in the email. Is there a way to get rid of them?

Second: I have a machine with NVDA 17.1 on it, when I bring up the
NVDA menus they don't speak. Any ideas what I need to resolve?

Thanks so much for any input.

Sam




--
<b>Check out the new location of my accessibility central website for NVDA
tutorials, NVDA road tested programs, and other eyesight related topics.
http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/ If you would like to keep up to date
with whats being updated on our website, you can also follow us on facebook
by visiting the following link
https://en-gb.facebook.com/people/AccessibilityCentral-Net/100009727930216
Also, check out which New Zealand libraries have the NVDA screen reader
available by visiting the following link
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries






--
<b>Check out the new location of my accessibility central website for NVDA tutorials, NVDA road tested programs, and other eyesight related topics.
http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/ If you would like to keep up to date with whats being updated on our website, you can also follow us on facebook by visiting
the following link https://en-gb.facebook.com/people/AccessibilityCentral-Net/100009727930216
Also, check out which New Zealand libraries have the NVDA screen reader available by visiting the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries

TheBlaze Daily PM

Sam Bushman
 

Hi All,

 

Below is an example of a message with lots of blank lines with tables etc.

When I press NVDA-down arrow it doesn’t ready the complete message.

Any help would be most appreciated.

 

Thanks,

Sam

 

 

From: TheBlaze Daily PM [mailto:mailer@...]
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:05 PM
To: sb1@...
Subject: TheBlaze Daily PM

 

GOP senator won’t vote to repeal Obamacare Medicaid expansion. Also: Sean Hannity apologizes after sharing ‘inaccurate article’ calling McCain a ‘war criminal’

TheBlaze

Having trouble viewing this email? Click here

Join TheBlaze, earn rewards and change the world!

Hi, TheBlaze Fan! Here are today’s top stories…

 

 

Designed with pride in Dallas by

TheBlaze

© 2017 TheBlaze Inc. All Rights Reserved.

TheBlaze
6301 Riverside Dr, Building 1
Irving, TX 75039

Manage your email preferences

Re: two issues

Sam Bushman
 

NVDA speaks when I am not trying to view the menus. On all other pc's when I
press the down arrow it works great but, on this machine it doesn't speak
when we try to arrow trough the menus in nvda.


Sam Bushman
LibertyRoundTable.com
801-756-9133

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene New
Zealand
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] two issues

Hi Sam


if you do a say all use the nvda key + down arrow key it will read the whole
message and you will not hear blank lines where they are. you only hear them
if you do it a line at a time by using the down arrow key each time.


I find it useful hearing them when writing up stuff.

The command was for a desk top pc.


the second question that you asked if NVDA is talking when you bring up the
preferences menu, just use the down arrow key and it will speak the first
item on the menu and where ever you go to in the menus with the arrow keys.


Or is it some thing else like nvda not speaking at all on the pc?


Gene nz




On 24/02/2017 8:53 AM, Sam Bushman wrote:
Hi All,

I have two main issues with NVDA that are causing me trouble.

1. When I read email in outlook 2016 office 365 I get tons of blank
lines in the email. Is there a way to get rid of them?

Second: I have a machine with NVDA 17.1 on it, when I bring up the
NVDA menus they don't speak. Any ideas what I need to resolve?

Thanks so much for any input.

Sam




--
<b>Check out the new location of my accessibility central website for NVDA
tutorials, NVDA road tested programs, and other eyesight related topics.
http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/ If you would like to keep up to date
with whats being updated on our website, you can also follow us on facebook
by visiting the following link
https://en-gb.facebook.com/people/AccessibilityCentral-Net/100009727930216
Also, check out which New Zealand libraries have the NVDA screen reader
available by visiting the following link
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries

Re: two issues

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi Sam


if you do a say all use the nvda key + down arrow key it will read the
whole message and you will not hear blank lines where they are. you only
hear them if you do it a line at a time by using the down arrow key each
time.


I find it useful hearing them when writing up stuff.

The command was for a desk top pc.


the second question that you asked if NVDA is talking when you bring up
the preferences menu, just use the down arrow key and it will speak the
first item on the menu and where ever you go to in the menus with the
arrow keys.


Or is it some thing else like nvda not speaking at all on the pc?


Gene nz

On 24/02/2017 8:53 AM, Sam Bushman wrote:
Hi All,

I have two main issues with NVDA that are causing me trouble.

1. When I read email in outlook 2016 office 365 I get tons of blank lines
in the email. Is there a way to get rid of them?

Second: I have a machine with NVDA 17.1 on it, when I bring up the NVDA
menus they don't speak. Any ideas what I need to resolve?

Thanks so much for any input.

Sam




--
<b>Check out the new location of my accessibility central website for NVDA tutorials, NVDA road tested programs, and other eyesight related topics.
http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/ If you would like to keep up to date with whats being updated on our website, you can also follow us on facebook by visiting
the following link https://en-gb.facebook.com/people/AccessibilityCentral-Net/100009727930216
Also, check out which New Zealand libraries have the NVDA screen reader available by visiting the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries

Re: two issues

Gene
 

Are you reading messages by down arrowing through them?  That's really cumbersome and inefficient..  I know of no skip blank lines feature in NVDA.  If you use read to end, you won't hear blank lines spoken as blank.  You will just hear messages read just as any documents in other programs. 
 
Genee

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:53 PM
Subject: [nvda] two issues

Hi All,

I have two main issues with NVDA that are causing me trouble.

1.  When I read email in outlook 2016 office 365 I get tons of blank lines
in the email. Is there a way to get rid of them?

Second: I have a machine with NVDA 17.1 on it, when I bring up the NVDA
menus they don't speak. Any ideas what I need to resolve?

Thanks so much for any input.

Sam




two issues

Sam Bushman
 

Hi All,

I have two main issues with NVDA that are causing me trouble.

1. When I read email in outlook 2016 office 365 I get tons of blank lines
in the email. Is there a way to get rid of them?

Second: I have a machine with NVDA 17.1 on it, when I bring up the NVDA
menus they don't speak. Any ideas what I need to resolve?

Thanks so much for any input.

Sam

Re: NVDA Web Browser Problem

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Are you getting the same result with the jaws?


Gene nz

On 24/02/2017 8:41 AM, Louis Maher wrote:
Hi Arlene,

JAWS is my primary screen reader, and I do not have any issues with it. I
am trying to learn NVDA.


Regards
Louis Maher
Phone: 713-444-7838
E-mail: ljmaher@...

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:31 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem

Hi, Do you have another back up screen reader to rectify your problem? If
you do, then try your back up screen reader and see if you have that same
problem! If NVDA is your primary screen reader you are in trouble.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Louis
Maher
Sent: February-23-17 10:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem

Folks,

Several weeks ago, my NVDA (version 16.4) was unable to access Firefox
(51.?). When I opened a webpage, the arrow keys just said unknown when I
used them. I uninstalled NVDA and Firefox and re-installed both. I am now
on NVDA 17.1), and I have the same issue.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.



Regards
Louis Maher
Phone: 713-444-7838
E-mail: ljmaher@...










--
<b>Check out the new location of my accessibility central website for NVDA tutorials, NVDA road tested programs, and other eyesight related topics.
http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/ If you would like to keep up to date with whats being updated on our website, you can also follow us on facebook by visiting
the following link https://en-gb.facebook.com/people/AccessibilityCentral-Net/100009727930216
Also, check out which New Zealand libraries have the NVDA screen reader available by visiting the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries

Re: NVDA Web Browser Problem

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi Louis


I had some thing similar a while ago. it happened in mozilla thunder
bird as well as in mozilla fire fox.


When you went into mozilla fire fox even if you tabbed tried using arrow
keys single letter navigation keys etc it would also say unknown. Plus
the menus up the top would not work.


usually if the menus did not show you could use the f11 key to bring
them back but not in this case. So would get unknown in both programs.


it seemed some how some settings in mozilla fire fox had got corrupted

I can not remember if it happened in other programs i think they were
the only ones.


The way i was able to fix it was



I uninstalled mozilla fire fox from the add/remove programs section in
windows it might be called some thing else in other versions of windows.
it can be found under the control panel section.


When it has been done then Press the windows key + letter R to bring up
the run dialogue, then type in the following %appdata% then press the
enter key.


it will give you a list of folders and you will need to find the one for
mozilla

it will need to be deleted all together.


.


please note it will delete all of your settings then reinstall mozilla
fire fox, it then fixed the problem.

I also did the same as you did with nvda i uninstalled it from add
remove section and also did the other by pressing the Windows key +
letter R then typing in %appdata% then pressing the enter key, locating
the nvda folder and deleting it out then reinstalling nvda.
it was not NVDA that caused it but the other mozilla setting that i removed.

All has been good for months.

it may or may not be the same problem.

I thought about putting how to do this up on my website under the
trouble shooting section for nvda but only have heard it happen now and
again.

Gene nz

On 24/02/2017 7:48 AM, Louis Maher wrote:
Folks,

Several weeks ago, my NVDA (version 16.4) was unable to access Firefox
(51.?). When I opened a webpage, the arrow keys just said unknown when I
used them. I uninstalled NVDA and Firefox and re-installed both. I am now
on NVDA 17.1), and I have the same issue.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.



Regards
Louis Maher
Phone: 713-444-7838
E-mail: ljmaher@...




--
<b>Check out the new location of my accessibility central website for NVDA tutorials, NVDA road tested programs, and other eyesight related topics.
http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/ If you would like to keep up to date with whats being updated on our website, you can also follow us on facebook by visiting
the following link https://en-gb.facebook.com/people/AccessibilityCentral-Net/100009727930216
Also, check out which New Zealand libraries have the NVDA screen reader available by visiting the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries

Re: NVDA Web Browser Problem

Louis Maher <ljmaher@...>
 

Hi Arlene,

JAWS is my primary screen reader, and I do not have any issues with it. I
am trying to learn NVDA.


Regards
Louis Maher
Phone: 713-444-7838
E-mail: ljmaher@...

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:31 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem

Hi, Do you have another back up screen reader to rectify your problem? If
you do, then try your back up screen reader and see if you have that same
problem! If NVDA is your primary screen reader you are in trouble.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Louis
Maher
Sent: February-23-17 10:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem

Folks,

Several weeks ago, my NVDA (version 16.4) was unable to access Firefox
(51.?). When I opened a webpage, the arrow keys just said unknown when I
used them. I uninstalled NVDA and Firefox and re-installed both. I am now
on NVDA 17.1), and I have the same issue.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.



Regards
Louis Maher
Phone: 713-444-7838
E-mail: ljmaher@...

Re: NVDA Web Browser Problem

Arlene
 

Hi, Do you have another back up screen reader to rectify your problem? If
you do, then try your back up screen reader and see if you have that same
problem! If NVDA is your primary screen reader you are in trouble.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Louis
Maher
Sent: February-23-17 10:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem

Folks,

Several weeks ago, my NVDA (version 16.4) was unable to access Firefox
(51.?). When I opened a webpage, the arrow keys just said unknown when I
used them. I uninstalled NVDA and Firefox and re-installed both. I am now
on NVDA 17.1), and I have the same issue.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.



Regards
Louis Maher
Phone: 713-444-7838
E-mail: ljmaher@...

NVDA Web Browser Problem

Louis Maher <ljmaher@...>
 

Folks,

Several weeks ago, my NVDA (version 16.4) was unable to access Firefox
(51.?). When I opened a webpage, the arrow keys just said unknown when I
used them. I uninstalled NVDA and Firefox and re-installed both. I am now
on NVDA 17.1), and I have the same issue.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.



Regards
Louis Maher
Phone: 713-444-7838
E-mail: ljmaher@...

Re: Windows 10 Mail app

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi Chris


There is a tutorial written on this program it was written by David.


At present it is when you type say in a email you can not hear what you have typed, but you can review with the left and right arrow keys etc. if i remember also it will also read out all when a say all is done.



I think i was reading some where on the list in a few weeks or maybe a month ther eis a new insider build that people on windows 10 will get and those problems will be fixed. 


any how if you are interested in the tutorial it can be found at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20tutorials%20for%20other%20programs.html


You willl then need to jump down by headings to the tutorial called how to use the windows 10 mail app or something like that.


please note it also says about those bugs i mentioned.


hope it helps.


Gene nz



On 24/02/2017 12:02 AM, Chris Mullins wrote:

Hi

Does anyone on the list use the built-in mail app in Windows 10 and if so, I would welcome your advice re accessibility.  I have no sight and rely on voice feedback only.

 

Cheers

Chris


-- 
<b>Check out the new location of my accessibility central website for NVDA tutorials, NVDA road tested programs, and other eyesight related topics.
http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/ If you would like to keep up to date with whats being updated on our website, you can also follow us on facebook by visiting
the following link https://en-gb.facebook.com/people/AccessibilityCentral-Net/100009727930216
Also, check out which New Zealand libraries have the NVDA screen reader available by visiting the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries

Re: Questions and suggestions

Chris Mullins
 

I concur with Gene and I do use Windows 10.  The start menu and desktop are all configurable to your own specification, so they are only as cluttered as you choose to make them and as Gene says, you can find applications quickly by typing one or two letters.  You can also create shortcuts which don’t appear on the desktop, so they’re only a single keystroke away and don’t clutter anything.

 

Cheers

Chris  

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 23 February 2017 16:34
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Questions and suggestions

 

I don't know what you know and, as I said, I don't want to assume.  I have written this somewhat long message in case you don't know some of what I'm discussing.  Others can provide discussions of good instructional material, if you wish.  If you already know what I've explained here, then this message won't tell you anything new but I'd rather discuss these matters than not so you and others following the thread will have the information if interested.. 

 

I don't know how much you know about efficient navigation in Windows structures.  You don't have to go through item after item.  There's first letter navigation.  And if you have six items on the desktop that begin with the letter n, you can type more of the name of the item.  For example, typing nv will take you to the NVDA icon.  You don't just have to type the first letter.  In the all programs list, you can use first letter navigation but you can't type more than one letter as I recall. My recollection is that what I'm calling the all programs list is technically a menu.  The desktop is a list. 

 

In menus, only the designated letter will move you to the item.  In a list, typing the first letter or more will either move you to it or will move you to items that begin with the letter or letters.  Often, in menus, it's the first letter but this can't be assumed.  I believe that in the all programs menu, it's always the first letter of the item.

 

When using the start menu search field, you can often just type one word to get to something if you do a bit of experimentation to figure out what that is.  I can get immediately to Windows Live Mail by just typing the word mail.  The other words, typing either Windows or the word live brings up too many results to be efficient. 

 

Do you know how to create shortcuts and to use shortcuts, already existing or created by you, to assign short cut commands to?  I have assigned the command control alt m to open Mozilla Firefox.  I can use that command almost anywhere to open it.  I can use the command control alt w to open Windows Live Mail.  And I have lots more.  Some people like short cuts more than others but if you don't know about them and try them, you are overlooking one of the fastest and most convenient ways to open items in Windows. 

 

And short cut commands can be used to open more than programs.  They can be used to open drives or you can open a folder or a file you use constantly or a great deal just by issuing one command. 

 

Not everything I've said may apply in Windows 10, I don't know.  I don't use Windows 10.  But most of it will, or will with slight modifications.  And that is true of Windows 8 as well. 

 

I'm not trying to be didactic or dictatorial but I hope that if you don't know the things I've been discussing, that you get some good instructional material.  Windows is very convenient and efficient when used as designed.  It isn't when used as though it were something else, like DOS. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 9:55 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Questions and suggestions

 

Hi Gene,

To be honest, I’ve never liked the start menu, or the desktop. If you have tons and tons of things installed you often find they can be far too cluttered. I would rather type a filename, and possibly a path if the appropriate environment variables haven’t been set, than go through 350 shortcuts to find what I’m looking for.

Even back in the XP days when there was no menu search facility, I preferred the Run method, though sometimes if I knew exactly what I was looking for and I was sure I could get to it quickly (such as start, s, enter for Skype), I would use the start menu. But ever since the start menu changed in Vista, I never touched it again. Far, far too cluttered, and in my experience, the search feature was completely useless, hence the reason I’ve removed it from the Windows Features. It’s completely gone downhill.

Again though. Each to their own. I can certainly understand the appeal if you know there are only a select few programs you use on a regular basis and you do a shortcut cleanup, but I run what I need, when I need, and can’t say for certain that I use anything more than the other.

Especially now I’m starting on mainstream software development toolkits I’m becoming more and more familiar with the command line every day, so the run dialog seems trivial now, in comparison. I also find that the path environment variable and symbolic links are also rather helpful. They take a bit of grasping and setting up, but I so love Win+R, docs, enter to get to the My Documents folder!

Cheers.
Damien.

Re: Questions and suggestions

Gene
 

I don't know how the desktop is classified in later versions of Windows but as late as Windows 7 it is classified as a list.  I suspect it is in later versions as well.  The instructional materials I used in my early days of learning Windows said that first letter navigation works in the desktop so I never considered that some people might not realize it because of the difference in layout. 
 
Even if you already know the other things I discussed, I hope my comments about the desktop are helpful.
 
Gene
----- original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Questions and suggestions

Hi Gene,
Hotkeys are indeed excellent. One of the first thing I look for in a program is hotkeys. In fact, some have so many that it’s hard to memorise all of them. But at least they’re there!
The only problem I have with Windows shortcuts being linked to them is that, because they are global throughout the whole system, it can unfortunately cause conflicts with other running applications that utilise those shortcuts. For instance, I could assign a ctrl+alt+q shortcut to launch QWS (a MIDI sequencer), and another application may use ctrl+alt+q to mean quit. I have known ctrl+alt+o for options, ctrl+alt+x for exit, ctrl+alt+n/p for next/previous, all of which can be assigned to a Windows hotkey, and then it’s touch and go as to which item activates. Otherwise, I’m definitely all for hotkeys!
As an aside, I must admit I do find it odd, and mildly frustrating that there are four modifier keys that can be used to register hotkeys and yet it is still possible to run out of logical keys! This is even more so for global shortcut-linked ones, since I think you can only have ctrl+alt and ctrl+shift combos. Possibly if you’re extremely dextrous you might be able to have ctrl+shift+alt, I haven’t dared to try that one. Lol.
First letter navigation. Now you mention it I am aware of it. I use it all the time to move quickly to files in Explorer. But for some reason it didn’t cross my mind for the desktop (even though I know that is also controlled by explorer). I guess because my explorer is in detail view, and the desktop shows as a sort of grid layout I treated them as two separate systems. Strange how brains work!
Cheers.
Damien.

NVDA reporting tables in windows explorer

erik burggraaf <erik@...>
 

Hi all,

On this new windows seven machine I set up with NVDA, most but not all folders in windows explorer are reporting to be laid out in tables by NVDA. NVDA is reporting row and column positions of folders and files. Not all folders are doing this, but I applied all the settings of a folder that wasn't to all folders and that didn't fix the behavior. Any ideas as to changes I might make to the views so that they become standard list views?

Thanks,

Erik

Sent with AquaMail for Android
http://www.aqua-mail.com

Re: Windows 10 Mail app

matthew dyer
 

Lates version of NVDA works with no problem.  The only thing that drives me crazy is that deleting a message, doesn't truely delete the message.  It archives it and there is no way to change the behaver for this at least for me.  I am using gmail and it is driving me crazy as i said.


Matthew




On 02/23/2017 06:02 AM, Chris Mullins wrote:

Hi

Does anyone on the list use the built-in mail app in Windows 10 and if so, I would welcome your advice re accessibility.  I have no sight and rely on voice feedback only.

 

Cheers

Chris


Re: Questions and suggestions

Damien Garwood
 

Hi Gene,
Hotkeys are indeed excellent. One of the first thing I look for in a program is hotkeys. In fact, some have so many that it’s hard to memorise all of them. But at least they’re there!
The only problem I have with Windows shortcuts being linked to them is that, because they are global throughout the whole system, it can unfortunately cause conflicts with other running applications that utilise those shortcuts. For instance, I could assign a ctrl+alt+q shortcut to launch QWS (a MIDI sequencer), and another application may use ctrl+alt+q to mean quit. I have known ctrl+alt+o for options, ctrl+alt+x for exit, ctrl+alt+n/p for next/previous, all of which can be assigned to a Windows hotkey, and then it’s touch and go as to which item activates. Otherwise, I’m definitely all for hotkeys!
As an aside, I must admit I do find it odd, and mildly frustrating that there are four modifier keys that can be used to register hotkeys and yet it is still possible to run out of logical keys! This is even more so for global shortcut-linked ones, since I think you can only have ctrl+alt and ctrl+shift combos. Possibly if you’re extremely dextrous you might be able to have ctrl+shift+alt, I haven’t dared to try that one. Lol.
First letter navigation. Now you mention it I am aware of it. I use it all the time to move quickly to files in Explorer. But for some reason it didn’t cross my mind for the desktop (even though I know that is also controlled by explorer). I guess because my explorer is in detail view, and the desktop shows as a sort of grid layout I treated them as two separate systems. Strange how brains work!
Cheers.
Damien.

Re: Questions and suggestions

Gene
 

I don't know what you know and, as I said, I don't want to assume.  I have written this somewhat long message in case you don't know some of what I'm discussing.  Others can provide discussions of good instructional material, if you wish.  If you already know what I've explained here, then this message won't tell you anything new but I'd rather discuss these matters than not so you and others following the thread will have the information if interested.. 
 
I don't know how much you know about efficient navigation in Windows structures.  You don't have to go through item after item.  There's first letter navigation.  And if you have six items on the desktop that begin with the letter n, you can type more of the name of the item.  For example, typing nv will take you to the NVDA icon.  You don't just have to type the first letter.  In the all programs list, you can use first letter navigation but you can't type more than one letter as I recall. My recollection is that what I'm calling the all programs list is technically a menu.  The desktop is a list. 
 
In menus, only the designated letter will move you to the item.  In a list, typing the first letter or more will either move you to it or will move you to items that begin with the letter or letters.  Often, in menus, it's the first letter but this can't be assumed.  I believe that in the all programs menu, it's always the first letter of the item.
 
When using the start menu search field, you can often just type one word to get to something if you do a bit of experimentation to figure out what that is.  I can get immediately to Windows Live Mail by just typing the word mail.  The other words, typing either Windows or the word live brings up too many results to be efficient. 
 
Do you know how to create shortcuts and to use shortcuts, already existing or created by you, to assign short cut commands to?  I have assigned the command control alt m to open Mozilla Firefox.  I can use that command almost anywhere to open it.  I can use the command control alt w to open Windows Live Mail.  And I have lots more.  Some people like short cuts more than others but if you don't know about them and try them, you are overlooking one of the fastest and most convenient ways to open items in Windows. 
 
And short cut commands can be used to open more than programs.  They can be used to open drives or you can open a folder or a file you use constantly or a great deal just by issuing one command. 
 
Not everything I've said may apply in Windows 10, I don't know.  I don't use Windows 10.  But most of it will, or will with slight modifications.  And that is true of Windows 8 as well. 
 
I'm not trying to be didactic or dictatorial but I hope that if you don't know the things I've been discussing, that you get some good instructional material.  Windows is very convenient and efficient when used as designed.  It isn't when used as though it were something else, like DOS. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 9:55 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Questions and suggestions

Hi Gene,
To be honest, I’ve never liked the start menu, or the desktop. If you have tons and tons of things installed you often find they can be far too cluttered. I would rather type a filename, and possibly a path if the appropriate environment variables haven’t been set, than go through 350 shortcuts to find what I’m looking for.
Even back in the XP days when there was no menu search facility, I preferred the Run method, though sometimes if I knew exactly what I was looking for and I was sure I could get to it quickly (such as start, s, enter for Skype), I would use the start menu. But ever since the start menu changed in Vista, I never touched it again. Far, far too cluttered, and in my experience, the search feature was completely useless, hence the reason I’ve removed it from the Windows Features. It’s completely gone downhill.
Again though. Each to their own. I can certainly understand the appeal if you know there are only a select few programs you use on a regular basis and you do a shortcut cleanup, but I run what I need, when I need, and can’t say for certain that I use anything more than the other.
Especially now I’m starting on mainstream software development toolkits I’m becoming more and more familiar with the command line every day, so the run dialog seems trivial now, in comparison. I also find that the path environment variable and symbolic links are also rather helpful. They take a bit of grasping and setting up, but I so love Win+R, docs, enter to get to the My Documents folder!
Cheers.
Damien.

find files fast with Master Seeker

John Sanfilippo
 

Hello,

In another thread, Damien mentioned the hassle in finding files. I quite
agree that can be rather involved. So I'd like to suggest, Do try Master
Seeker. It was promoted by Kim Komando. I tried it and it is quite fast
indeed.

I found it using DuckDuckGo.

Regards,
John


--
- JS o -

Re: Questions and suggestions

Damien Garwood
 

Hi Gene,
To be honest, I’ve never liked the start menu, or the desktop. If you have tons and tons of things installed you often find they can be far too cluttered. I would rather type a filename, and possibly a path if the appropriate environment variables haven’t been set, than go through 350 shortcuts to find what I’m looking for.
Even back in the XP days when there was no menu search facility, I preferred the Run method, though sometimes if I knew exactly what I was looking for and I was sure I could get to it quickly (such as start, s, enter for Skype), I would use the start menu. But ever since the start menu changed in Vista, I never touched it again. Far, far too cluttered, and in my experience, the search feature was completely useless, hence the reason I’ve removed it from the Windows Features. It’s completely gone downhill.
Again though. Each to their own. I can certainly understand the appeal if you know there are only a select few programs you use on a regular basis and you do a shortcut cleanup, but I run what I need, when I need, and can’t say for certain that I use anything more than the other.
Especially now I’m starting on mainstream software development toolkits I’m becoming more and more familiar with the command line every day, so the run dialog seems trivial now, in comparison. I also find that the path environment variable and symbolic links are also rather helpful. They take a bit of grasping and setting up, but I so love Win+R, docs, enter to get to the My Documents folder!
Cheers.
Damien.