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Re: what in the world is happening with firefox and nvda

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I'm a little worried by the fact that one person is now saying that the problem only happens on the RC version of .3.
This would not seem to fit the current understanding of the problem as a Windows issue.
As for a couple of makes of laptop being implicated, this could be due to the way the image was installed on machines, ie cloned from another drive and not installed using the oem cod thus duplicating any errors made when the original machine was set up, ie removing time limited versions of Office demos after the install on the original machine.

I think since many new machines do not have DVD drives this cloning is happening a lot more and hence so will any errors in that image being used.


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From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
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Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 1:14 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] what in the world is happening with firefox and nvda


This is very likely the same problem that has been discussed many times on the list. Did you remove anything such as a Microsoft office program or Microsoft Office? You need to run a command line command to register dll files that have become unregistered. That may solve the problem. If it doesn't, I'm not sure what the solution is. Running a restore point, I would think might solve the problem if you run one from before the program or programs were uninstalled and then you leave the resurrected programs in place. There may be other possible solutions but if there are, we'll see if people know of any.

Gene
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From: Lino Morales
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 3:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] what in the world is happening with firefox and nvda


Make full screen mode is off by pressing F11.


On 8/20/2017 4:32 PM, Tony Ballou wrote:
howdy mates

for some reason nVDA and firefox are having quite a time getting along
with each other now. When web pages come up you get the announcement
that the page is up, however, nothing else works. Tabbing through the
page for links, browse mode keystrokes, everything appears to be shot.
Does anyone know what happened, and a fix for it if there is one? Very
strange indeed. using the latest versions of both windows 10 pro and NVda.

Tony




Re: Request for comments: an outline of a complete course on NVDAinternals and code contributions

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Also, I'm of the opinion that many if not all programmers are using Braille displays or can see the screen with sufficient magnification. Is it actually possible to do this with just speech. I'm thinking of the strict syntax and tabs needed for Python to work.
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Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:46 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Request for comments: an outline of a complete course on NVDAinternals and code contributions


Hello Joseph.
How do I get on that group or in that class? I’d be interested in giving programming another shot. Smile.
Thank you much.\

Scott\

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From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2017 7:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Request for comments: an outline of a complete course on NVDAinternals and code contributions

Hi everyone,

Those of you on the users list may have heard about a subgroup over there that aims to teach people how to contribute code to NVDA. After going over some membership intros and looking at skill sets represented, I came up with a rough outline or a six to twelve month course on NVDA code contributions and internals. Obviously most of the course content will require working knowledge of Python, but for those who lack this, I’ve included a one unit outline on Python.

Outline:

• Title: So you want to improve NVDA with code contributions?
• Instructor: one or more NVDA experts and developers, along with several Python users as tutors
• Purpose: the overall purpose of this course is to equip new developers with knowledge required to provide code contributions to NVDA project. Topics covered include a short review of Python, running NVDA from source code, source code layout and overall architecture, behind the scenes tour of features and commands, as well as things required when contributing code such as identifying, designing, coding, debugging, testing, submitting, maintaining, and explaining new features, changes and bug fixes.
• Goals: have a working knowledge of Python so students can use it in NVDA and other projects; learn the overall purpose and architecture of NVDA; have knowledge of workings of features and commands through reading, understanding and writing source code; learn tips for becoming successful NVDA code contributors who serves the community and improves NVDA; develop critical problem solving and thinking skills required in today’s software engineering projects including that of NVDA.

Course outline:

Unit 0: Review of Python
1. Python is a general-purpose programming language
2. Downloading and using Python
3. Explain variables, how to import useful modules, conditionals and loops
4. Learn how to define functions.
5. Design classes and objects
6. Learn to interact with lists, dictionaries, sets, tuples and other objects of interest
7. Use modules and objects provided by Python to solve various problems
8. Exercise: random walk on a treadmill
9. Expected duration: four to six months

Skills test and preview 0: come up with solutions to two other problems via Python, write a design for an add-on, or write about how a student would solve an NVDA issue on GitHub.

Unit 1: Basics and the big picture
1. What screen readers are and are not
2. A portrait of operations of a screen reader
3. A brief history of NVDA
4. Obtaining NVDA source code
5. Compiling NVDA’s source code with dependencies
6. Running NVDA from source for the first time
7. Example of code contribution: command to restart NVDA with no prompts
8. Expected duration: one month

Skills test and preview 1: explain in your own words how you would teach your friend to download NVDA source code.

Unit 2: NVDA at a glance
1. Features overview
2. Source code layout
3. Overall architecture
4. Importance of objects, events, and modules
5. Extensibility through classes
6. Why accessibility API’s matter
7. Exercise: what is the code responsible for announcing speech via beeps?
8. Example of code contribution: Popping up browse mode window for some NVDA messages
9. Expected duration: two months

Skills test and preview 2: in your own words, describe ui.message function.

Unit 3: feature and command internals 1
1. Global commands
2. Focus, caret, system cursor
3. Object navigation, properties, developer information and object hierarchy
4. Accessibility API’s
5. Review cursor and text infos
6. Keyboard, mouse, and touchscreen
7. Basics of browse mode
8. Exercise: explain how NvDA+T command works to a new user
9. Example of code contribution: indentation announcement by tones
10. Expected duration: two to three months

Skills test and preview 3: in your own words, describe either one property of a navigator object or how a first letter navigation command works in browse mode.

Unit 4: Feature and command internals 2
1. App modules, global plugins and add-ons
2. Speech, braille, and tones
3. Synthesizers and braille displays
4. Math presentation layer and content recognition framework
5. NVDA dialogs, configuration management, and managing add-ons
6. Exercise: track down bugs in speech synthesizers
7. Example of code contribution: Unicode braille output
8. Expected duration: two months

Skills test and preview 4: in your own words, define what a speech synthesizer driver is.

Unit 5: Code contributions
1. Identifying issues and suggestions
2. Designing a problem and its solution(s)
3. Coding a solution
4. Debugging and testing solutions
5. Effective use of log viewer and Python Console
6. Submitting, maintaining, and explaining a feature, a change, or a bug fix
7. Exercise: not all warnings from the log are fatal
8. Example of code contribution: tab completion in Python Console
9. Expected duration: two to three months

Skills test and preview 5: write a solution for a minor issue on GitHub or a small add-on that uses any concept from previous units.

Unit 6: Beyond code contributions
1. Translations
2. Documentation
3. Keep in touch with users and others in the community
4. Researching new ideas alone or in groups
5. Working on collaborative projects
6. Apply skills from NVDA to other projects
7. Exercise: write an article explaining inner workings of a community add-on
8. Example of code contribution: Liblouis project
9. Expected duration: one month

Unit 7 (advanced): thinking outside of NVDA
1. Windows API
2. Python libraries
3. Dependency checks
4. Using Component Object Model
5. Using advanced features of accessibility API’s
6. Adding new math presentation layers and content recognition frameworks
7. Troubleshooting braille input and output
8. Engaging with the wider python and programming communities
9. Ethical issues in code contributions
10. Things to think about when leading or working on an international software project

Final skills test:
1. From a set of problems dealing with Python, write solutions for two and provide an explanation for one of them.
2. Write an NVDA add-on that utilizes at least two concepts described in one or more units.
3. For a major NVDA GitHub issue, identify, design, code, debug, test, submit, maintain, and explain a solution.

I expect the minimum time to complete this course would be six months (excluding Python intros and advanced topics), with most people taking up to a year to master the concepts above and become comfortable while providing basic code contributions. The Python version to be employed will be a mixture of 2.7 and 3.6.

Comments are appreciated.
Cheers,
Joseph


Re: what in the world is happening with firefox and nvda

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I will offer this additionally. On one machine things only worked again after this was done after a computer restart.
I wonder if a batch file on the desktop might be able to do this, it depends whether its possible to make a batch file run as administrator or not.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene New Zealand" <hurrikennyandopo@outlook.co.nz>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:35 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] what in the world is happening with firefox and nvda


Hi Tony


I will copy and paste what fixed mine off my website. You might need
sighted assistance? but I see also now for the same bug there is or
maybe fixes for other versions of windows.


But before you go to see if it fixes the problem can you do the
following first?


Under the general settings in nvda set the log level to debug. Save your
settings.


restart nvda so it is a fresh copy go into the areas where you are
having the problems nvda will record your steps like in your browser
thunder bird etc.


Then save the log to your desktop it can be found under the tools then
view log section. press the alt key then go to save log and save it to
your desk top or some where easy to find it.


Below will be what fixed mine on my windows 10 machine and also on a
ladies one.


I will also find the page with other fixes maybe the same or different.




Troubleshooting - NVDA says “unknown” or “pane” in all of your browsers,
Mozilla Thunderbird email client and other places
If for some reason you have problems with NVDA saying “unknown” or
“pane” check for the following symptoms:

In all of your browsers, or the Mozilla Thunderbird email client, no
matter what you do, you still hear “unknown” or “pane”.

In the browser, email client and other menus you notice you cannot get
into your menus, or you are unable to use the quick navigation keys

When you have been told the page is loaded and notice strange behaviour

Mozilla Thunderbird saying unknown while you try to navigate it

Your applications key does not work with it being spoken out and other
strange behaviour in Windows

The running applications icons are not being spoken out
It might be a good idea to do the following:
Please note: If you are hearing “unknown” or “pane” (as discussed above)
NVDA might seem like it is still working properly but it may not be
completely in Windows and other programmes.
You could try the following solution which will allow you to re-register
your dll files in case they are causing the problem.
Press the Windows key then type the following into the search box. Type
in “command prompt”. Once you have located command prompt, in the search
results, press the Applications key to bring up the context menu. Arrow
down to select “run as administrator” and press the Enter key. This will
take you to a command prompt window. This will not be spoken out. You
may need sighted assistance for this.
Type in the following command
for %x in (c:\windows\system32\*.dll) do regsvr32 /s %x
This should re-register all components in the system32 folder.
When it is finished, you can close the command prompt window with the
Alt + F4 key. You should notice now where NVDA was saying “unknown” as
in some examples given, NVDA should now read the icons in the running
applications area of Windows, speak the content of the webpage and
menus, and also in Mozilla Thunderbird and other places in Windows
including the Windows applications context menu.



Gene nz



On 21/08/2017 09:13, Tony Ballou wrote:
Hey Gene,


It has said unknown in Thunderbird yes indeed. I haven't played with
edge. However, I am seeing many of those symptoms that you're talking
about in Firefox .


Tony


On 8/20/2017 5:05 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:
Hi tony


can you tell me if nvda is doing any of the following? In all browsers
is he saying unknown or will not speak the contents of the web page? did
the page fully load try the f5 key to do this or use the nvda key + f5
key and see if it plays nicely?

Does he work in microsoft edge and read out the contents?


Down on the running application area on the task bar does nvda speak any
of the programs there?


When you hit the applications key does nvda speak any of the menus as
you arrow down it?


If you are running mozilla thunder bird does it say unknown as you tab
into it or try to get to messages or the menus it would be the same for
mozilla fire fox.


Gene nz



On 21/08/2017 08:32, Tony Ballou wrote:
howdy mates

for some reason nVDA and firefox are having quite a time getting along
with each other now. When web pages come up you get the announcement
that the page is up, however, nothing else works. Tabbing through the
page for links, browse mode keystrokes, everything appears to be shot.
Does anyone know what happened, and a fix for it if there is one? Very
strange indeed. using the latest versions of both windows 10 pro and NVda.

Tony








Re: what in the world is happening with firefox and nvda

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Well that page works here. Of course active bookmarks in Firefox is inaccessible in any case.
There is a read feeds add on I notice for nvda. Since I do not use RSS myself I'm not up on what is what.

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From: "Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io" <the.big.white.shepherd=googlemail.com@groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:08 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] what in the world is happening with firefox and nvda


I got this to day as well using nvda rc latest, windows10 home 64 bit. the thing is it was a feed but it crashes or at least nvda just did not seem to work a tall! I did manage to shut ff down but that was it the address is this https://www.nvaccess.org/feed/ maybe someone else can try this using ff and nvda and if it is broke I hope to get a fix soon with thanks as always.

On 20/08/2017 21:32, Tony Ballou wrote:
howdy mates

for some reason nVDA and firefox are having quite a time getting along
with each other now. When web pages come up you get the announcement
that the page is up, however, nothing else works. Tabbing through the
page for links, browse mode keystrokes, everything appears to be shot.
Does anyone know what happened, and a fix for it if there is one? Very
strange indeed. using the latest versions of both windows 10 pro and NVda.

Tony




Re: what in the world is happening with firefox and nvda

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I think the question is, did you remove a program recently?
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From: "Tony Ballou" <cyberpro224@outlook.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:32 PM
Subject: [nvda] what in the world is happening with firefox and nvda


howdy mates

for some reason nVDA and firefox are having quite a time getting along
with each other now. When web pages come up you get the announcement
that the page is up, however, nothing else works. Tabbing through the
page for links, browse mode keystrokes, everything appears to be shot.
Does anyone know what happened, and a fix for it if there is one? Very
strange indeed. using the latest versions of both windows 10 pro and NVda.

Tony




Re: sluggish typing in edit boxes

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Which browser? Also is it all edit boxes or on specific sites?
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Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 2:06 PM
Subject: [nvda] sluggish typing in edit boxes


Running NVDA 2017.3 RC1 on a Win 10 laptop. When entering info in a edit box on web pages NVDA is very sluggish in speaking characters being typed. Anhyone else experiencing this issue?




Re: question

Gene
 

the insert key isn't defined as a sticky key by Windows.  Keys like shift, control, alt, are defined as sticky keys.  But NVDA causes either insert to act like a sticky key.  I don't know if this is by design or by accident but by doing so, it has provided a significant service to those who use sticky keys and want to do so with a screen- reader. 
 
Gene

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Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 2:46 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] question

Hi quentin

Many thanks for your support to help me and for the details you have sent me.

I used to use window eyes before but I had to switch to n v d a because window eyes has stopped running.

I go to the voice settings when I need to change something as you explained, but what I said in the previous email was just a example problem, the only one have

With the help of gene I resolved the capital letter problem.

As I never used the insert key as a command key before I still don’t know if it is going to work with n v d a.

I hope you will be able to understand wat I mean.

Kind regards

Anthony

.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: 21 August 2017 03:42
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] question

 

In the official materials, we say to press say NVDA+control+up arrow to increase the speech, since you may have either insert or caps lock set as the NVDA modifier key (you can have both, in which case you can use either).  Any tutorial which write commands as say insert+control+up arrow is essentially the same, just use caps lock rather than insert if that is what you have set as your NVDA modifier key.

 

Whether you use the numpad insert, extended insert (the one in the "six pack" above the arrow keys on most desktop keyboards) or the caps lock key, they should work as "sticky" keys if you are using Sticky keys in Windows.  You might find that using the voice settings dialog is an easier way to change the speech rate as once you get into it ("Voice Settings" from NVDA's preferences menu or NVDA+control+v), you can tab to the appropriate slider and then adjust the rate.

 

Note if you are using Windows 10 and the newly available OneCore voices, these are often slower than other voices.  To overcome this, search for "Change text to speech settings" in Windows itself and adjust the rate there first.

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 6:56 AM, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:

Hi

 

under the keyboard settings is the extended insert key checked? Here I have all 3 checked. I just tried it with the extended insert key with the others ctrl key + either up or down to ajust the volume

It worked nicely a little bit different but could be done with the one hand.

 

I guess i am just use to using 2 hands to do the same job.

 

by the way is your keyboard a full qwerty keyboard? I have seen machines that might have 2 insert keys or 2 extended insert keys but do not know what the second key is for unless it does the same job.The extended insert key on my qwerty keyboard is the zero key. maybe you are pressing the wrong one? or do you have it marked?

 

Gene nz

.

 

On 20/08/2017 20:17, anthony borg wrote:

Hi gene

I am aware that I have to press it twice, but the problem is that it doesn’t announce on or off, it just peeps.

If there is a way of how to do it announcing it,

Can you please explain to me how to do it?

Thanks in advance

Anthony

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: 20 August 2017 01:55
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] question

 

Hi

 

You are probably aware that if the caps lock key is selected as a modifier key it has to be hit 2 times to turn caps lock on and two for off..

 

if it is selected as the modifier key then it would be that key and say the letter N to get into the preferences of nvda.

 

here unless i am writing some thing unless it is more than a letter i just use the shift key for just one letter and if i want all of them capitalized I might then put that key on to do it then turn it off.

 

Gene nz

 

 

On 20/08/2017 00:38, anthony borg wrote:

Hi list

Can someone help me to figure out this problem please?

On my laptop I use the sticky keys to be able to use the keyboard with one hand, but since I started to use the n v d a, I am meeting this problem. ?

Since I started to use the capslock as n v d a, now I can’t use it to write a capital letter, as usual, if any n v d a programmer can help me to solve this problem I would appreciate it very much.

Thanks in advance

Anthony

 

 



 

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Re: question

anthony borg
 

Hi quentin

I forgot to tell you that I’m using eloquence as a speech synthesizer.

Regards

Anthony

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: 21 August 2017 03:42
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] question

 

In the official materials, we say to press say NVDA+control+up arrow to increase the speech, since you may have either insert or caps lock set as the NVDA modifier key (you can have both, in which case you can use either).  Any tutorial which write commands as say insert+control+up arrow is essentially the same, just use caps lock rather than insert if that is what you have set as your NVDA modifier key.

 

Whether you use the numpad insert, extended insert (the one in the "six pack" above the arrow keys on most desktop keyboards) or the caps lock key, they should work as "sticky" keys if you are using Sticky keys in Windows.  You might find that using the voice settings dialog is an easier way to change the speech rate as once you get into it ("Voice Settings" from NVDA's preferences menu or NVDA+control+v), you can tab to the appropriate slider and then adjust the rate.

 

Note if you are using Windows 10 and the newly available OneCore voices, these are often slower than other voices.  To overcome this, search for "Change text to speech settings" in Windows itself and adjust the rate there first.

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 6:56 AM, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:

Hi

 

under the keyboard settings is the extended insert key checked? Here I have all 3 checked. I just tried it with the extended insert key with the others ctrl key + either up or down to ajust the volume

It worked nicely a little bit different but could be done with the one hand.

 

I guess i am just use to using 2 hands to do the same job.

 

by the way is your keyboard a full qwerty keyboard? I have seen machines that might have 2 insert keys or 2 extended insert keys but do not know what the second key is for unless it does the same job.The extended insert key on my qwerty keyboard is the zero key. maybe you are pressing the wrong one? or do you have it marked?

 

Gene nz

.

 

On 20/08/2017 20:17, anthony borg wrote:

Hi gene

I am aware that I have to press it twice, but the problem is that it doesn’t announce on or off, it just peeps.

If there is a way of how to do it announcing it,

Can you please explain to me how to do it?

Thanks in advance

Anthony

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: 20 August 2017 01:55
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] question

 

Hi

 

You are probably aware that if the caps lock key is selected as a modifier key it has to be hit 2 times to turn caps lock on and two for off..

 

if it is selected as the modifier key then it would be that key and say the letter N to get into the preferences of nvda.

 

here unless i am writing some thing unless it is more than a letter i just use the shift key for just one letter and if i want all of them capitalized I might then put that key on to do it then turn it off.

 

Gene nz

 

 

On 20/08/2017 00:38, anthony borg wrote:

Hi list

Can someone help me to figure out this problem please?

On my laptop I use the sticky keys to be able to use the keyboard with one hand, but since I started to use the n v d a, I am meeting this problem. ?

Since I started to use the capslock as n v d a, now I can’t use it to write a capital letter, as usual, if any n v d a programmer can help me to solve this problem I would appreciate it very much.

Thanks in advance

Anthony

 

 



 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: question

anthony borg
 

Hi quentin

Many thanks for your support to help me and for the details you have sent me.

I used to use window eyes before but I had to switch to n v d a because window eyes has stopped running.

I go to the voice settings when I need to change something as you explained, but what I said in the previous email was just a example problem, the only one have

With the help of gene I resolved the capital letter problem.

As I never used the insert key as a command key before I still don’t know if it is going to work with n v d a.

I hope you will be able to understand wat I mean.

Kind regards

Anthony

.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: 21 August 2017 03:42
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] question

 

In the official materials, we say to press say NVDA+control+up arrow to increase the speech, since you may have either insert or caps lock set as the NVDA modifier key (you can have both, in which case you can use either).  Any tutorial which write commands as say insert+control+up arrow is essentially the same, just use caps lock rather than insert if that is what you have set as your NVDA modifier key.

 

Whether you use the numpad insert, extended insert (the one in the "six pack" above the arrow keys on most desktop keyboards) or the caps lock key, they should work as "sticky" keys if you are using Sticky keys in Windows.  You might find that using the voice settings dialog is an easier way to change the speech rate as once you get into it ("Voice Settings" from NVDA's preferences menu or NVDA+control+v), you can tab to the appropriate slider and then adjust the rate.

 

Note if you are using Windows 10 and the newly available OneCore voices, these are often slower than other voices.  To overcome this, search for "Change text to speech settings" in Windows itself and adjust the rate there first.

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 6:56 AM, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:

Hi

 

under the keyboard settings is the extended insert key checked? Here I have all 3 checked. I just tried it with the extended insert key with the others ctrl key + either up or down to ajust the volume

It worked nicely a little bit different but could be done with the one hand.

 

I guess i am just use to using 2 hands to do the same job.

 

by the way is your keyboard a full qwerty keyboard? I have seen machines that might have 2 insert keys or 2 extended insert keys but do not know what the second key is for unless it does the same job.The extended insert key on my qwerty keyboard is the zero key. maybe you are pressing the wrong one? or do you have it marked?

 

Gene nz

.

 

On 20/08/2017 20:17, anthony borg wrote:

Hi gene

I am aware that I have to press it twice, but the problem is that it doesn’t announce on or off, it just peeps.

If there is a way of how to do it announcing it,

Can you please explain to me how to do it?

Thanks in advance

Anthony

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: 20 August 2017 01:55
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] question

 

Hi

 

You are probably aware that if the caps lock key is selected as a modifier key it has to be hit 2 times to turn caps lock on and two for off..

 

if it is selected as the modifier key then it would be that key and say the letter N to get into the preferences of nvda.

 

here unless i am writing some thing unless it is more than a letter i just use the shift key for just one letter and if i want all of them capitalized I might then put that key on to do it then turn it off.

 

Gene nz

 

 

On 20/08/2017 00:38, anthony borg wrote:

Hi list

Can someone help me to figure out this problem please?

On my laptop I use the sticky keys to be able to use the keyboard with one hand, but since I started to use the n v d a, I am meeting this problem. ?

Since I started to use the capslock as n v d a, now I can’t use it to write a capital letter, as usual, if any n v d a programmer can help me to solve this problem I would appreciate it very much.

Thanks in advance

Anthony

 

 



 

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Re: NVDA Question

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


the following link should help you.

it also has which voices you can download etc and the steps. you must have the creators update.


the link to this page is https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/22797/windows-10-narrator-tts-voices

There is a little bit in the user manual about 1 core voices and this link came from that.


Gene nz



On 21/08/2017 10:15, Danny Park wrote:


Sent from my iPhone

Begin forwarded message:

From: "Danny" <dpark13918@...>
Date: August 19, 2017 at 11:31:37 CDT
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: NVDA Question

In the latest release you are able to use Microsoft Core Voices and I was wondering which voices this includes and how you go about using them.
 
Thanks,
Danny

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Re: Doing Google Searches

anthony borg
 

Thank you very much rosmarie.

Regards

Anthony

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: 21 August 2017 06:06
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Doing Google Searches

 

My email address is knitqueen2007@... if you need to ask me something.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of anthony borg
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Doing Google Searches

 

Hi rosemarie

Is it possible to contact you out of list as I need to ask you something please?

Kind regards

Anthony

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: 20 August 2017 06:33
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Doing Google Searches

 

Hi, Brian,

 

The other day I was trying to do a search for a song on youtube. It was a very rare oldie I was trying to find for the music group I'm on. I couldn't find the song so I had to ask a member of the list if they had it. As far as google, I don't use the down-arrow to find search results. I use the H for headings and sometimes I can find what I'm looking for. If I go to a new site and try to find something, I don't always know what I'm looking for until I become familiar with that site. A good example of that is an oldies station I sometimes listen to. Since I'm familiar with that site, I can do the find command and look for the "listen live" link.

 

My point is this. Sometimes you can't always find something by searching no matter how hard you try. That's why we have email lists--so we can ask questions if we get stuck.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of brian
Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2017 2:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Doing Google Searches

 

    I agree that just telling somone to just google that is very harch.  You can't always find what you are looking forand if you do you will have take a very long time down arrowing to find what you want.  The sighted can just look at their screens and see what they want but we can't.  People who tell somone on lists to just google it are the ones who are lazy they don't want to help and thats what email lists are for.  If you can't ask for help or ask a question with out getting critisized then why even have email list att and why are people even on list in the first place?   Maybe that person has lready has googled it but they could not find what they were looking for.  This even does happen to the sighted but because we are blind we are just not soposed to ask for help that seems to be a great sin in the blind community asking for help because we are soposed to be super independent.  Some people might need more training and we are all not at the same leavel of independence as others are and neither were they either.  It's often easier and faster to post a question and ask for help on an email list than it is to  just google it.  You will also get better results because the answers that you get come from other people who have found a sultion to your problem.  I am very greatful and very thankful for all of the help that I have received from people on lists and if I can help I will do so.

Brian Sackrider

 

On 8/18/2017 11:02 PM, Andy wrote:

This issue comes up from time to time, mostly on blind related lists. Interestingly, when among sighted people who have a tech question from time to time, usually if one knows the answer, they just give it. why have these lists at all if one can't feel comfortable asking a question? Now, if the same person asks questions repeatedly, and asks the same question over and over again, it may be appropriate to refer him or her to a resource, or advise that they may want to seek training, but i think that telling someone to "Google it" when they occasionally ask a question is rather harsh.

 

Andy

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 4:47 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Doing Google Searches

 

Most of us including myself are lazy. Ok, I'll google for something but if I just can't find the answer or the pages are 10 years old (this did happen to me a few times) I will ask on a list and point to the steps I took to troubleshoot the issue, and the steps I tool to try and figure out on my own how to do what ever it is I'm trying to do with nvda, narrator, voiceover, talkback etc.

 

Take care

On Aug 18, 2017, at 12:28 PM, Andre Fisher <fishersmails123@...> wrote:

 

Hi.

A quick query. Lately, I have realized that most persons subscribed to this list, rather than going to Google or a search engine of their choice, seek to ask questions here prior to doing this type of research. I’d seriously like to know why, as I find this practice to be counterproductive. Why do I say this? Because sometimes, the responses that are given are incorrect. Why don’t persons read the NVDA User Guide, for example. It is well detailed. Could persons explain this to me?

 

 


Re: Doing Google Searches

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

My email address is knitqueen2007@... if you need to ask me something.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of anthony borg
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Doing Google Searches

 

Hi rosemarie

Is it possible to contact you out of list as I need to ask you something please?

Kind regards

Anthony

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: 20 August 2017 06:33
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Doing Google Searches

 

Hi, Brian,

 

The other day I was trying to do a search for a song on youtube. It was a very rare oldie I was trying to find for the music group I'm on. I couldn't find the song so I had to ask a member of the list if they had it. As far as google, I don't use the down-arrow to find search results. I use the H for headings and sometimes I can find what I'm looking for. If I go to a new site and try to find something, I don't always know what I'm looking for until I become familiar with that site. A good example of that is an oldies station I sometimes listen to. Since I'm familiar with that site, I can do the find command and look for the "listen live" link.

 

My point is this. Sometimes you can't always find something by searching no matter how hard you try. That's why we have email lists--so we can ask questions if we get stuck.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of brian
Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2017 2:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Doing Google Searches

 

    I agree that just telling somone to just google that is very harch.  You can't always find what you are looking forand if you do you will have take a very long time down arrowing to find what you want.  The sighted can just look at their screens and see what they want but we can't.  People who tell somone on lists to just google it are the ones who are lazy they don't want to help and thats what email lists are for.  If you can't ask for help or ask a question with out getting critisized then why even have email list att and why are people even on list in the first place?   Maybe that person has lready has googled it but they could not find what they were looking for.  This even does happen to the sighted but because we are blind we are just not soposed to ask for help that seems to be a great sin in the blind community asking for help because we are soposed to be super independent.  Some people might need more training and we are all not at the same leavel of independence as others are and neither were they either.  It's often easier and faster to post a question and ask for help on an email list than it is to  just google it.  You will also get better results because the answers that you get come from other people who have found a sultion to your problem.  I am very greatful and very thankful for all of the help that I have received from people on lists and if I can help I will do so.

Brian Sackrider

 

On 8/18/2017 11:02 PM, Andy wrote:

This issue comes up from time to time, mostly on blind related lists. Interestingly, when among sighted people who have a tech question from time to time, usually if one knows the answer, they just give it. why have these lists at all if one can't feel comfortable asking a question? Now, if the same person asks questions repeatedly, and asks the same question over and over again, it may be appropriate to refer him or her to a resource, or advise that they may want to seek training, but i think that telling someone to "Google it" when they occasionally ask a question is rather harsh.

 

Andy

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 4:47 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Doing Google Searches

 

Most of us including myself are lazy. Ok, I'll google for something but if I just can't find the answer or the pages are 10 years old (this did happen to me a few times) I will ask on a list and point to the steps I took to troubleshoot the issue, and the steps I tool to try and figure out on my own how to do what ever it is I'm trying to do with nvda, narrator, voiceover, talkback etc.

 

Take care

On Aug 18, 2017, at 12:28 PM, Andre Fisher <fishersmails123@...> wrote:

 

Hi.

A quick query. Lately, I have realized that most persons subscribed to this list, rather than going to Google or a search engine of their choice, seek to ask questions here prior to doing this type of research. I’d seriously like to know why, as I find this practice to be counterproductive. Why do I say this? Because sometimes, the responses that are given are incorrect. Why don’t persons read the NVDA User Guide, for example. It is well detailed. Could persons explain this to me?

 

 


Address change, please ignore

Jacques Stassen <j@...>
 

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Re: NVDA Question

Quentin Christensen
 

Danny, your last message didn't have any content (aside from the "sent from my iphone" signature), did you have a follow-up question?

On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 8:15 AM, Danny Park <dpark13918@...> wrote:


Sent from my iPhone

Begin forwarded message:

From: "Danny" <dpark13918@...>
Date: August 19, 2017 at 11:31:37 CDT
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: NVDA Question

In the latest release you are able to use Microsoft Core Voices and I was wondering which voices this includes and how you go about using them.
 
Thanks,
Danny




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Re: question

Quentin Christensen
 

In the official materials, we say to press say NVDA+control+up arrow to increase the speech, since you may have either insert or caps lock set as the NVDA modifier key (you can have both, in which case you can use either).  Any tutorial which write commands as say insert+control+up arrow is essentially the same, just use caps lock rather than insert if that is what you have set as your NVDA modifier key.

Whether you use the numpad insert, extended insert (the one in the "six pack" above the arrow keys on most desktop keyboards) or the caps lock key, they should work as "sticky" keys if you are using Sticky keys in Windows.  You might find that using the voice settings dialog is an easier way to change the speech rate as once you get into it ("Voice Settings" from NVDA's preferences menu or NVDA+control+v), you can tab to the appropriate slider and then adjust the rate.

Note if you are using Windows 10 and the newly available OneCore voices, these are often slower than other voices.  To overcome this, search for "Change text to speech settings" in Windows itself and adjust the rate there first.

Regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 6:56 AM, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:

Hi


under the keyboard settings is the extended insert key checked? Here I have all 3 checked. I just tried it with the extended insert key with the others ctrl key + either up or down to ajust the volume

It worked nicely a little bit different but could be done with the one hand.


I guess i am just use to using 2 hands to do the same job.


by the way is your keyboard a full qwerty keyboard? I have seen machines that might have 2 insert keys or 2 extended insert keys but do not know what the second key is for unless it does the same job.The extended insert key on my qwerty keyboard is the zero key. maybe you are pressing the wrong one? or do you have it marked?


Gene nz

.


On 20/08/2017 20:17, anthony borg wrote:

Hi gene

I am aware that I have to press it twice, but the problem is that it doesn’t announce on or off, it just peeps.

If there is a way of how to do it announcing it,

Can you please explain to me how to do it?

Thanks in advance

Anthony

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: 20 August 2017 01:55
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] question

 

Hi

 

You are probably aware that if the caps lock key is selected as a modifier key it has to be hit 2 times to turn caps lock on and two for off..

 

if it is selected as the modifier key then it would be that key and say the letter N to get into the preferences of nvda.

 

here unless i am writing some thing unless it is more than a letter i just use the shift key for just one letter and if i want all of them capitalized I might then put that key on to do it then turn it off.

 

Gene nz

 

 

On 20/08/2017 00:38, anthony borg wrote:

Hi list

Can someone help me to figure out this problem please?

On my laptop I use the sticky keys to be able to use the keyboard with one hand, but since I started to use the n v d a, I am meeting this problem. ?

Since I started to use the capslock as n v d a, now I can’t use it to write a capital letter, as usual, if any n v d a programmer can help me to solve this problem I would appreciate it very much.

Thanks in advance

Anthony

 





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Training and Support Manager

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

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Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: what in the world is happening with firefox and nvda

Arlene
 

Hi, was this only with windows ten? I tested firefox on my 7 box. I can’t confirm this problem.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: August-20-17 5:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] what in the world is happening with firefox and nvda

 

Would list members please explain how a problem is solved when it is?  No one else will benefit from the solution if it is just stated that the problem was solved.  You might say, I solved it by following the suggestion to do this or that on the list or I did this or that to solve it. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 4:06 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] what in the world is happening with firefox and nvda

 

Hi folks,


Got it working on my laptop just fine, that worked.  My friends desktop
however is still being ornery though. When I hit the insert key on the
numeric pad, it say no such heading, checkbox, or other browse mode
elements, and the insert f7 keystroke fails to bring up the elements
list. what could have scrambled this programs eggs?


Tony


On 8/20/2017 4:49 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

> Make full screen mode is off by pressing F11.
>
>
> On 8/20/2017 4:32 PM, Tony Ballou wrote:
>> howdy mates
>>
>> for some reason nVDA and firefox are having quite a time getting along
>> with each other now.  When web pages come up you get the announcement
>> that the page is up, however, nothing else works. Tabbing through the
>> page for links, browse mode keystrokes, everything appears to be shot.
>> Does anyone know what happened, and a fix for it if there is one?  Very
>> strange indeed.  using the latest versions of both windows 10 pro and
>> NVda.
>>
>> Tony
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>





NVDA Question

Danny Park
 



Sent from my iPhone

Begin forwarded message:

From: "Danny" <dpark13918@...>
Date: August 19, 2017 at 11:31:37 CDT
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: NVDA Question

In the latest release you are able to use Microsoft Core Voices and I was wondering which voices this includes and how you go about using them.
 
Thanks,
Danny


Re: what in the world is happening with firefox and nvda

Gene
 

Would list members please explain how a problem is solved when it is?  No one else will benefit from the solution if it is just stated that the problem was solved.  You might say, I solved it by following the suggestion to do this or that on the list or I did this or that to solve it. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 4:06 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] what in the world is happening with firefox and nvda

Hi folks,


Got it working on my laptop just fine, that worked.  My friends desktop
however is still being ornery though. When I hit the insert key on the
numeric pad, it say no such heading, checkbox, or other browse mode
elements, and the insert f7 keystroke fails to bring up the elements
list. what could have scrambled this programs eggs?


Tony


On 8/20/2017 4:49 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

> Make full screen mode is off by pressing F11.
>
>
> On 8/20/2017 4:32 PM, Tony Ballou wrote:
>> howdy mates
>>
>> for some reason nVDA and firefox are having quite a time getting along
>> with each other now.  When web pages come up you get the announcement
>> that the page is up, however, nothing else works. Tabbing through the
>> page for links, browse mode keystrokes, everything appears to be shot.
>> Does anyone know what happened, and a fix for it if there is one?  Very
>> strange indeed.  using the latest versions of both windows 10 pro and
>> NVda.
>>
>> Tony
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>






Re: what in the world is happening with firefox and nvda

 

Well you can reinstall office I guess.

Another temperary fix I had done was do a repair of adobe reader dc and that fixed it however on each office update or other office component related update in windows update the task had to be repeated.

On my system I solved it with a reformat.

THat fixed everything, but then my system hadn't had a good reformat in 5 years and had other issues to.

One thing to note, if you use other versions of office on win10 and the office compatibility kit, then don't use that kit, windows seems to get confused on what to open things with unless you keep repairing office all the time.

I did use this pack and found after uninstalling it and then repairing office again that things worked.

On 21/08/2017 12:14 p.m., Gene wrote:
This is very likely the same problem that has been discussed many times on the list. Did you remove anything such as a Microsoft office program or Microsoft Office? You need to run a command line command to register dll files that have become unregistered. That may solve the problem. If it doesn't, I'm not sure what the solution is. Running a restore point, I would think might solve the problem if you run one from before the program or programs were uninstalled and then you leave the resurrected programs in place. There may be other possible solutions but if there are, we'll see if people know of any.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Lino Morales
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 3:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] what in the world is happening with firefox and nvda


Make full screen mode is off by pressing F11.


On 8/20/2017 4:32 PM, Tony Ballou wrote:
howdy mates

for some reason nVDA and firefox are having quite a time getting along
with each other now. When web pages come up you get the announcement
that the page is up, however, nothing else works. Tabbing through the
page for links, browse mode keystrokes, everything appears to be shot.
Does anyone know what happened, and a fix for it if there is one? Very
strange indeed. using the latest versions of both windows 10 pro and NVda.

Tony





Re: giving keyboard commands from a braille display?

Quentin Christensen
 

This is something that we have a couple of issues open for, such as: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/7306 (which links to most of the other issues).

There are a couple of workarounds for several scenarios noted in that issue which may work, including using the PC Keyboard braille input addon and having NVDA's "handle keys from other applications" (keyboard settings) checked.

Regards

Quentin.

On Sun, Aug 20, 2017 at 4:50 AM, Aman Singer <aman.singer@...> wrote:

Hi all,

 

                I am using a VarioUltra 20 with NVDA 2017.3RC1 on Windows 7 X64. I can’t seem to give single key commands to applications using the braille display. Just for example, if I am in Winamp 5.63 and press dots 1-4, the letter c, on the braille display, Winamp does not pause. However, when I press the letter c on the physical keyboard, Winamp pauses as expected. Note that this seems not to be a problem in, for example, list views, but other media programs like VLC also have the issue. This isn’t a huge problem, it can easily be worked around, but it would be nice to have it solved if anyone has any ideas.

 

Aman

              




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