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Re: Using Narrator BRLTTY with NVDA

 

Hi,
Not exactly, as we need to update various logic behind this, and note that
this will work on Creators Update and later.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris
Wright via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 5:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Using Narrator BRLTTY with NVDA

Hi all,

I wonder if there is a way to use the Narrator BRLTTY driver with NVDA? The
reason I ask is because Narrator is able to use a lot of braille displays by
default. This would eliminate the need to download individual drivers. I
realize this would only work on Windows 10, but it would still be cool to
implement as an option. What are yourthoughts? Is this possible?


Dual Profound Truths

 

On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 03:01 pm, Gene wrote:
For years, that was a serious problem in quantum mechanics until theories and models were developed that accounted for both observations. 
Gene,

         Good example with physics, particularly since the quote that Anthony Stone was reacting against is from Niels Bohr.

         The following also fits, and applies:

    The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still retain the ability to function.
         ~ F. Scott Fitzgerald (1896-1940) from The Crack-up [1936]
 
--
Brian  Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063  (dot level on request - it changes too often to keep in signature)

     The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.  But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.

            Niels Bohr

 

 


Using Narrator BRLTTY with NVDA

Chris Wright <blindgamer87@...>
 

Hi all,

I wonder if there is a way to use the Narrator BRLTTY driver with NVDA? The reason I ask is because Narrator is able to use a lot of braille displays by default. This would eliminate the need to download individual drivers. I realize this would only work on Windows 10, but it would still be cool to implement as an option. What are yourthoughts? Is this possible?


Re: nvda developers please help me about my favorite version of nvda!

Arlene
 

I know a friend who has an xp computer. He does not put it on line for various reasons. He uses it to convert audio tapes to mp3s and maybe other things.  I think he has windows ten. That would be me too. I would not put certin info using xp if I had it online. If I had an old clunker xp box and I knew how to use it to convert cassette tapes to mp3s then that’s what I’d do. I wont put it online.  And maybe store files on it. 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: September-10-17 3:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite version of nvda!

 

How fast you may be left behind depends on how you use your computer.  For some people, they must use something other than XP now.  for others, they may be able to get away with using XP for quite some time, if they don't do anything that requires programs or peripherals that require a version of Windows higher than XP.  And then, you have to consider how the person uses the computer.  I wouldn't use XP if I had to do things requiring me to give personal information such as my birthday, Social Security number, or other information that might aid in identity theft, including making credit card purchahses.  Because of the vulnerability of XP to hacking, I wouldn't do any such things on an XP machine.  for general browsing, e-mail, word processing, etc. XP will be able to be used for years. I would recommend that those who use XP learn to protect themselves by turning off JAVA scripts or by using No Script (spelling) which blocks scripts from running unless you are on a site that requires them, then you can allow them on that specific site.  That will increase safety during browsing.  I would read e-mail as plain text unless it would be necessary to read a trusted message as HTML, such as  a newsletter with links that are words like click here. 

 

Some people may not have a choice about whether to use XP but they do have a choice about whether they protect themselves if they are going to use it.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Arlene

Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 5:24 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite version of nvda!

 

Perhaps this person may have a language barrier. I don’t know what her story is. yes that person’s going to be left behind. I know sooner or later 7 is going to go out just like xp.  I’m going to learn ten before 7 becomes a sinking ship.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: September-10-17 3:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite version of nvda!

 

I think 2 things. One their is a language barier or 2. This person is 2 chicken nuggits shy of a happy meal. Suck it up butter cup. Either get off the XP train or get left behinsd. Windows 10. Its good for you.

 

On 9/10/2017 6:01 PM, Gene wrote:

Perhaps a paradox is an example.  Two contradictory statements can't both be true although, they can both seem to be until the problem causing such an appearance is resolved.  for example, is light a wave or a particle?  For years, that was a serious problem in quantum mechanics until theories and models were developed that accounted for both observations. 

 

Gene

------ Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 1:20 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite version of nvda!

 

I've often wondered about this.

Surely a profound truth is a correct statement.

So, if the opposite of that correct statement is a false statement, how can it
be another profound truth?


Antony.

On Sunday 10 September 2017 at 19:15:11, Brian Vogel wrote:

> The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.
>
> But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.

--
"The future is already here.   It's just not evenly distributed yet."

 - William Gibson

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Re: nvda developers please help me about my favorite version of nvda!

Arlene
 

If you are happy with your latest computer. Then do what you can. If it's
not broke don't fix it. if your hard drive failed and you needed a new
computer then all to you. If your computer is functional then do what you
can with it.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun
Everiss
Sent: September-10-17 4:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite version
of nvda!

For me I will change my os when I need to win7 is my os later 10.

However I don't need the latest and I certainly don't need the latest os or
screen reader upgrade.

Sadly with win10 it may eventually mean I have to upgrade some of my
comercial stuff a lot more than I need to.

For the most part though its fine.

I don't nore need office a thing I am happy about jarte works for the little
word processing I must do, I don't care for it but then being a tester and
lab rat means little in the way of spreadsheeting and reports.

All I need is a secure relitively at any rate system to run my games, play
my music, bt sync shares and cloud dropbox.

As well as a few movies and fan fictions.

I don't necessarily need an office subscription or the top security software
as such and with gmail spam is almost nonexistant.

So I guess in a way with what I do in life right now, I have bypassed the
business race a little.

The only comercial programs apart from 1 screen reader I have are a video
conversion suite and an ocr package.

I also have a few payed for recorders like goldwave and jarte ofcause.

The rest of what I buy are mostly games and music, I deal with text files
ostly and important emails are saved in text outside the mail program, and
saved to hard drive flash and cloud storage.

I also have an encripted 7z file in the cloud with all I need.

Sadly to continue to get funding I need to be in the business race and I am
not.

Sadly the freelancers like me get little in the way of extras we are used to
it but it does mean that it can be hard at times.

I get quite angry when people say you need to change.

I grew up with a prospect of change and a place that would exist and never
got there or even got what I was told would happen.

Hence while I will change what I must I am not going to change for no reason
especially when the world has pased me by and left me in the sand.

I will change what I need to survive but anything else, forget it.

Without my family funding me, I wouldn't be able to change at all.




On 11/09/2017 10:43 a.m., Gene wrote:
How fast you may be left behind depends on how you use your computer. For
some people, they must use something other than XP now. for others, they
may be able to get away with using XP for quite some time, if they don't do
anything that requires programs or peripherals that require a version of
Windows higher than XP. And then, you have to consider how the person uses
the computer. I wouldn't use XP if I had to do things requiring me to give
personal information such as my birthday, Social Security number, or other
information that might aid in identity theft, including making credit card
purchahses. Because of the vulnerability of XP to hacking, I wouldn't do
any such things on an XP machine. for general browsing, e-mail, word
processing, etc. XP will be able to be used for years. I would recommend
that those who use XP learn to protect themselves by turning off JAVA
scripts or by using No Script (spelling) which blocks scripts from running
unless you are on a site that requires them, then you can allow them on that
specific site. That will increase safety during browsing. I would read
e-mail as plain text unless it would be necessary to read a trusted message
as HTML, such as a newsletter with links that are words like click here.

Some people may not have a choice about whether to use XP but they do have
a choice about whether they protect themselves if they are going to use it.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Arlene
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 5:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite
version of nvda!


Perhaps this person may have a language barrier. I don't know what her
story is. yes that person's going to be left behind. I know sooner or later
7 is going to go out just like xp. I'm going to learn ten before 7 becomes
a sinking ship.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Lino Morales
Sent: September-10-17 3:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite
version of nvda!



I think 2 things. One their is a language barier or 2. This person is 2
chicken nuggits shy of a happy meal. Suck it up butter cup. Either get off
the XP train or get left behinsd. Windows 10. Its good for you.



On 9/10/2017 6:01 PM, Gene wrote:

Perhaps a paradox is an example. Two contradictory statements can't
both be true although, they can both seem to be until the problem causing
such an appearance is resolved. for example, is light a wave or a particle?
For years, that was a serious problem in quantum mechanics until theories
and models were developed that accounted for both observations.



Gene

------ Original Message -----

From: Antony Stone

Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 1:20 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite
version of nvda!



I've often wondered about this.

Surely a profound truth is a correct statement.

So, if the opposite of that correct statement is a false statement, how
can it
be another profound truth?


Antony.

On Sunday 10 September 2017 at 19:15:11, Brian Vogel wrote:

> The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.
>
> But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound
truth.

--
"The future is already here. It's just not evenly distributed yet."

- William Gibson

Please reply to the
list;
please *don't*
CC me.







Re: nvda developers please help me about my favorite version of nvda!

 

For me I will change my os when I need to win7 is my os later 10.

However I don't need the latest and I certainly don't need the latest os or screen reader upgrade.

Sadly with win10 it may eventually mean I have to upgrade some of my comercial stuff a lot more than I need to.

For the most part though its fine.

I don't nore need office a thing I am happy about jarte works for the little word processing I must do, I don't care for it but then being a tester and lab rat means little in the way of spreadsheeting and reports.

All I need is a secure relitively at any rate system to run my games, play my music, bt sync shares and cloud dropbox.

As well as a few movies and fan fictions.

I don't necessarily need an office subscription or the top security software as such and with gmail spam is almost nonexistant.

So I guess in a way with what I do in life right now, I have bypassed the business race a little.

The only comercial programs apart from 1 screen reader I have are a video conversion suite and an ocr package.

I also have a few payed for recorders like goldwave and jarte ofcause.

The rest of what I buy are mostly games and music, I deal with text files ostly and important emails are saved in text outside the mail program, and saved to hard drive flash and cloud storage.

I also have an encripted 7z file in the cloud with all I need.

Sadly to continue to get funding I need to be in the business race and I am not.

Sadly the freelancers like me get little in the way of extras we are used to it but it does mean that it can be hard at times.

I get quite angry when people say you need to change.

I grew up with a prospect of change and a place that would exist and never got there or even got what I was told would happen.

Hence while I will change what I must I am not going to change for no reason especially when the world has pased me by and left me in the sand.

I will change what I need to survive but anything else, forget it.

Without my family funding me, I wouldn't be able to change at all.

On 11/09/2017 10:43 a.m., Gene wrote:
How fast you may be left behind depends on how you use your computer. For some people, they must use something other than XP now. for others, they may be able to get away with using XP for quite some time, if they don't do anything that requires programs or peripherals that require a version of Windows higher than XP. And then, you have to consider how the person uses the computer. I wouldn't use XP if I had to do things requiring me to give personal information such as my birthday, Social Security number, or other information that might aid in identity theft, including making credit card purchahses. Because of the vulnerability of XP to hacking, I wouldn't do any such things on an XP machine. for general browsing, e-mail, word processing, etc. XP will be able to be used for years. I would recommend that those who use XP learn to protect themselves by turning off JAVA scripts or by using No Script (spelling) which blocks scripts from running unless you are on a site that requires them, then you can allow them on that specific site. That will increase safety during browsing. I would read e-mail as plain text unless it would be necessary to read a trusted message as HTML, such as a newsletter with links that are words like click here.

Some people may not have a choice about whether to use XP but they do have a choice about whether they protect themselves if they are going to use it.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Arlene
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 5:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite version of nvda!


Perhaps this person may have a language barrier. I don't know what her story is. yes that person's going to be left behind. I know sooner or later 7 is going to go out just like xp. I'm going to learn ten before 7 becomes a sinking ship.


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: September-10-17 3:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite version of nvda!


I think 2 things. One their is a language barier or 2. This person is 2 chicken nuggits shy of a happy meal. Suck it up butter cup. Either get off the XP train or get left behinsd. Windows 10. Its good for you.


On 9/10/2017 6:01 PM, Gene wrote:

Perhaps a paradox is an example. Two contradictory statements can't both be true although, they can both seem to be until the problem causing such an appearance is resolved. for example, is light a wave or a particle? For years, that was a serious problem in quantum mechanics until theories and models were developed that accounted for both observations.


Gene

------ Original Message -----

From: Antony Stone

Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 1:20 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite version of nvda!


I've often wondered about this.

Surely a profound truth is a correct statement.

So, if the opposite of that correct statement is a false statement, how can it
be another profound truth?


Antony.

On Sunday 10 September 2017 at 19:15:11, Brian Vogel wrote:

> The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.
>
> But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.

--
"The future is already here. It's just not evenly distributed yet."

- William Gibson

Please reply to the list;
please *don't* CC me.






Re: nvda developers please help me about my favorite version of nvda!

Gene
 

How fast you may be left behind depends on how you use your computer.  For some people, they must use something other than XP now.  for others, they may be able to get away with using XP for quite some time, if they don't do anything that requires programs or peripherals that require a version of Windows higher than XP.  And then, you have to consider how the person uses the computer.  I wouldn't use XP if I had to do things requiring me to give personal information such as my birthday, Social Security number, or other information that might aid in identity theft, including making credit card purchahses.  Because of the vulnerability of XP to hacking, I wouldn't do any such things on an XP machine.  for general browsing, e-mail, word processing, etc. XP will be able to be used for years. I would recommend that those who use XP learn to protect themselves by turning off JAVA scripts or by using No Script (spelling) which blocks scripts from running unless you are on a site that requires them, then you can allow them on that specific site.  That will increase safety during browsing.  I would read e-mail as plain text unless it would be necessary to read a trusted message as HTML, such as  a newsletter with links that are words like click here. 
 
Some people may not have a choice about whether to use XP but they do have a choice about whether they protect themselves if they are going to use it.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Arlene
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 5:24 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite version of nvda!

Perhaps this person may have a language barrier. I don’t know what her story is. yes that person’s going to be left behind. I know sooner or later 7 is going to go out just like xp.  I’m going to learn ten before 7 becomes a sinking ship.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: September-10-17 3:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite version of nvda!

 

I think 2 things. One their is a language barier or 2. This person is 2 chicken nuggits shy of a happy meal. Suck it up butter cup. Either get off the XP train or get left behinsd. Windows 10. Its good for you.

 

On 9/10/2017 6:01 PM, Gene wrote:

Perhaps a paradox is an example.  Two contradictory statements can't both be true although, they can both seem to be until the problem causing such an appearance is resolved.  for example, is light a wave or a particle?  For years, that was a serious problem in quantum mechanics until theories and models were developed that accounted for both observations. 

 

Gene

------ Original Message -----

From: Antony Stone

Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 1:20 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite version of nvda!

 

I've often wondered about this.

Surely a profound truth is a correct statement.

So, if the opposite of that correct statement is a false statement, how can it
be another profound truth?


Antony.

On Sunday 10 September 2017 at 19:15:11, Brian Vogel wrote:

> The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.
>
> But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.

--
"The future is already here.   It's just not evenly distributed yet."

 - William Gibson

                                                   Please reply to the list;
                                                         please *don't* CC me.

 


Re: nvda developers please help me about my favorite version of nvda!

Arlene
 

Perhaps this person may have a language barrier. I don’t know what her story is. yes that person’s going to be left behind. I know sooner or later 7 is going to go out just like xp.  I’m going to learn ten before 7 becomes a sinking ship.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: September-10-17 3:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite version of nvda!

 

I think 2 things. One their is a language barier or 2. This person is 2 chicken nuggits shy of a happy meal. Suck it up butter cup. Either get off the XP train or get left behinsd. Windows 10. Its good for you.

 

On 9/10/2017 6:01 PM, Gene wrote:

Perhaps a paradox is an example.  Two contradictory statements can't both be true although, they can both seem to be until the problem causing such an appearance is resolved.  for example, is light a wave or a particle?  For years, that was a serious problem in quantum mechanics until theories and models were developed that accounted for both observations. 

 

Gene

------ Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 1:20 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite version of nvda!

 

I've often wondered about this.

Surely a profound truth is a correct statement.

So, if the opposite of that correct statement is a false statement, how can it
be another profound truth?


Antony.

On Sunday 10 September 2017 at 19:15:11, Brian Vogel wrote:

> The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.
>
> But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.

--
"The future is already here.   It's just not evenly distributed yet."

 - William Gibson

                                                   Please reply to the list;
                                                         please *don't* CC me.

 


Re: nvda developers please help me about my favorite version of nvda!

Lino Morales
 

I think 2 things. One their is a language barier or 2. This person is 2 chicken nuggits shy of a happy meal. Suck it up butter cup. Either get off the XP train or get left behinsd. Windows 10. Its good for you.


On 9/10/2017 6:01 PM, Gene wrote:
Perhaps a paradox is an example.  Two contradictory statements can't both be true although, they can both seem to be until the problem causing such an appearance is resolved.  for example, is light a wave or a particle?  For years, that was a serious problem in quantum mechanics until theories and models were developed that accounted for both observations. 
 
Gene
------ Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 1:20 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite version of nvda!

I've often wondered about this.

Surely a profound truth is a correct statement.

So, if the opposite of that correct statement is a false statement, how can it
be another profound truth?


Antony.

On Sunday 10 September 2017 at 19:15:11, Brian Vogel wrote:

> The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.
>
> But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.

--
"The future is already here.   It's just not evenly distributed yet."

 - William Gibson

                                                   Please reply to the list;
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Re: nvda developers please help me about my favorite version of nvda!

Quentin Christensen
 

Also to add to what others have said, you mentioned you read that some crashes are fixed in the newer version of Firefox - are these crashes you are experiencing?

If you can give a specific example (specific web page, a sequence of keystrokes, etc), that would make it much easier for others to try and reproduce or test.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 8:06 AM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
It makes much more sense to go to the site, then copy the link to the clipboard and paste it into the message.  I almost never write a link.  It eliminates the possibility of typographical errors and most links are too long to make manually writing them practical.
 
If you want to follow an NvDA Github issue, book marking the page and returning to it whenever you want is generally the way to do that sort of thing.  I hope you don't write a lot of addresses manually when you want to go to a page you visit at all often.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: zahra
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 1:36 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite version of nvda!

i maybe wrote the link fast and became incorrect.

sorry.


https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/7251/


did you try my previous links?

On 9/10/17, Antony Stone <antony.stone@....source.it> wrote:
> I've often wondered about this.
>
> Surely a profound truth is a correct statement.
>
> So, if the opposite of that correct statement is a false statement, how can
> it
> be another profound truth?
>
>
> Antony.
>
> On Sunday 10 September 2017 at 19:15:11, Brian Vogel wrote:
>
>> The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.
>>
>> But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.
>
> --
> "The future is already here.   It's just not evenly distributed yet."
>
>  - William Gibson
>
>                                                    Please reply to the
> list;
>                                                          please *don't* CC
> me.
>
>
>
>


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in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org





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Re: nvda developers please help me about my favorite version of nvda!

Gene
 

It makes much more sense to go to the site, then copy the link to the clipboard and paste it into the message.  I almost never write a link.  It eliminates the possibility of typographical errors and most links are too long to make manually writing them practical.
 
If you want to follow an NvDA Github issue, book marking the page and returning to it whenever you want is generally the way to do that sort of thing.  I hope you don't write a lot of addresses manually when you want to go to a page you visit at all often.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: zahra
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 1:36 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite version of nvda!

i maybe wrote the link fast and became incorrect.

sorry.


https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/7251/


did you try my previous links?

On 9/10/17, Antony Stone <antony.stone@...> wrote:
> I've often wondered about this.
>
> Surely a profound truth is a correct statement.
>
> So, if the opposite of that correct statement is a false statement, how can
> it
> be another profound truth?
>
>
> Antony.
>
> On Sunday 10 September 2017 at 19:15:11, Brian Vogel wrote:
>
>> The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.
>>
>> But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.
>
> --
> "The future is already here.   It's just not evenly distributed yet."
>
>  - William Gibson
>
>                                                    Please reply to the
> list;
>                                                          please *don't* CC
> me.
>
>
>
>


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org



Re: nvda developers please help me about my favorite version of nvda!

Gene
 

Perhaps a paradox is an example.  Two contradictory statements can't both be true although, they can both seem to be until the problem causing such an appearance is resolved.  for example, is light a wave or a particle?  For years, that was a serious problem in quantum mechanics until theories and models were developed that accounted for both observations. 
 
Gene

------ Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 1:20 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite version of nvda!

I've often wondered about this.

Surely a profound truth is a correct statement.

So, if the opposite of that correct statement is a false statement, how can it
be another profound truth?


Antony.

On Sunday 10 September 2017 at 19:15:11, Brian Vogel wrote:

> The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.
>
> But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.

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Re: nvda developers please help me about my favorite version of nvda!

 

i maybe wrote the link fast and became incorrect.

sorry.


https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/7251/


did you try my previous links?

On 9/10/17, Antony Stone <antony.stone@nvda.open.source.it> wrote:
I've often wondered about this.

Surely a profound truth is a correct statement.

So, if the opposite of that correct statement is a false statement, how can
it
be another profound truth?


Antony.

On Sunday 10 September 2017 at 19:15:11, Brian Vogel wrote:

The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.

But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.
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For those on Windows versions being dropped as of NVDA 2017.4

 

Please be certain to go in to NVDA Preferences, General Settings and uncheck the checkbox labeled, "Automatically check for updates to NVDA."

If you wish to stay on any given release of NVDA, for whatever reason, do the same thing.

When that box is unchecked NVDA does not check to see if there are newer versions of the software or install them.
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Re: nvda developers please help me about my favorite version of nvda!

Antony Stone
 

I've often wondered about this.

Surely a profound truth is a correct statement.

So, if the opposite of that correct statement is a false statement, how can it
be another profound truth?


Antony.

On Sunday 10 September 2017 at 19:15:11, Brian Vogel wrote:

The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.

But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.
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Re: nvda developers please help me about my favorite version of nvda!

 

Every time these threads come up I am amazed.  It is not up to the developers of software to keep you, for any you, on an old version of their software or to continue to offer it.

NVDA has, for as long as I've been working with it, allowed you to uncheck the checkbox for automatic updates to NVDA in the General Settings.  If that's unchecked it does not automatically update.

One can also keep downloads of every version of NVDA in a personal archive as each version is released.  It is possible for anyone who has a want or need to use an older version of the NVDA software to make sure this happens without any involvement of the NVDA development team.

All of the above being said, I do think it would be a good idea were one able to download several of the most recent versions of NVDA prior to the current one.  There are reasons that people want or need to do this and it is not at all unconventional to have a download page where one can select prior versions if the need exists.  

But for those who even vaguely anticipate a possible need, I'd strongly suggest that you keep your own running archive on your own machine by downloading each version of the full NVDA installer as the releases occur.  Then you know you have them.  If you need to "permanently stall" updating after a particular version then go in to General settings and uncheck the automatic update checkbox, which is the last thing on that dialog (or at least that's where it is now).
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Re: nvda developers please help me about my favorite version of nvda!

Antony Stone
 

That URL results in "page not found", even if I insert the ".com" where
expected.


Antony.

On Sunday 10 September 2017 at 18:30:02, zahra wrote:

about transparent background color,see:
https://www.nvaccess/nvda/issues/7251
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Re: nvda developers please help me about my favorite version of nvda!

 

antony,
i am not a programmer and only thought that could restore the previous
behaviour of nvda (not spelling with phonetic).

i am not familiar with compiling, just changed one pyo file.

i am afraid that if i say what i did exactly, it causes problem for
others, if test it and nvda does not work for them!

about transparent background color,see:
https://www.nvaccess/nvda/issues/7251

when nvda 17.2 was released, i remember two or three people like me
requested download link for nvda 17.1!

because of slowness and delay in some programs like browsers.

17.1 is the only version since 2016.2 that i can use it without hang
or delay in my browser!

On 9/10/17, Antony Stone <antony.stone@nvda.open.source.it> wrote:
Changing pyo files means changing the code of NVDA itself - I doubt that
that
is at all recommended without recompiling the entire application.

However, without knowing quite which pyo files you changed, how and why, I
can't comment on whether it should be expected to work.


I can't even imagine what a "transparent background colour" is.

If it's the background, there's nothing behind it.

If it's transparent, you can see through it.

So, what do you expect to see through a transparent background?


Antony.

On Sunday 10 September 2017 at 18:08:21, zahra wrote:

hi antony. and bhavya again.

i tried to change pyo files in library.zip, but it destroyed nvda and
completely stopped its working!
i even could not open nvda and reinstalled it again.
one other concern is problems which occur for adding transparent
background color which hangs for me even on xp!

2017.1 is extremely great, without any delay or hang and i realy wish
to keep only this version!

its the best version for me.

i see hang in firefox, skype using 17.2 and even sometimes i fource to
turn of my computer with power button!

my other reasons are not technical, just my favor, interest and
personal reasons!

for this reason that cant help anyone and are only personal, cant explane
them!
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Re: nvda developers please help me about my favorite version of nvda!

Antony Stone
 

Changing pyo files means changing the code of NVDA itself - I doubt that that
is at all recommended without recompiling the entire application.

However, without knowing quite which pyo files you changed, how and why, I
can't comment on whether it should be expected to work.


I can't even imagine what a "transparent background colour" is.

If it's the background, there's nothing behind it.

If it's transparent, you can see through it.

So, what do you expect to see through a transparent background?


Antony.

On Sunday 10 September 2017 at 18:08:21, zahra wrote:

hi antony. and bhavya again.

i tried to change pyo files in library.zip, but it destroyed nvda and
completely stopped its working!
i even could not open nvda and reinstalled it again.
one other concern is problems which occur for adding transparent
background color which hangs for me even on xp!

2017.1 is extremely great, without any delay or hang and i realy wish
to keep only this version!

its the best version for me.

i see hang in firefox, skype using 17.2 and even sometimes i fource to
turn of my computer with power button!

my other reasons are not technical, just my favor, interest and
personal reasons!

for this reason that cant help anyone and are only personal, cant explane
them!
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Re: nvda developers please help me about my favorite version of nvda!

 

about version of firefox, i just gave aexample and ment the oldest version!

On 9/10/17, zahra a <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com> wrote:
hi antony. and bhavya again.

i tried to change pyo files in library.zip, but it destroyed nvda and
completely stopped its working!
i even could not open nvda and reinstalled it again.
one other concern is problems which occur for adding transparent
background color which hangs for me even on xp!

2017.1 is extremely great, without any delay or hang and i realy wish
to keep only this version!

its the best version for me.

i see hang in firefox, skype using 17.2 and even sometimes i fource to
turn of my computer with power button!

my other reasons are not technical, just my favor, interest and
personal reasons!

for this reason that cant help anyone and are only personal, cant explane
them!

again, God bless you and thanks extremely for your excellent program
and your support!

On 9/10/17, zahra a <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com> wrote:
nvda is extremely great.
i always appreciate it,

i told just for myself not updating.

i explaned one reason that i can explane, but other reasons i realy
cant explane about them.

one of the biggest advantages of opensource softwares is freedom of
choice for us.

for example: even i can download firefox version of 1999 if i want to
use!

On 9/10/17, Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Zahra,
Could you please elaborate on these 'many many reasons'? Technically
speaking, any older version of NVDA automatically becomes officially
unsupported, if I am at par with NV Access's update policies. Staying
on outdated software forever may often result in being excluded from
latest technology trends, and thus from the average NVDA community
member also, since NVDA updates are absolutely free of cost and always
progressive (as opposed to regressive).
Thanks.

On 9/10/17, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com> wrote:
hi brian.
i wish to know about using nvda with firefox in multiprocess.
as you and many people know, my version of firefox is 52 and my windows
xp!
but maybe i need to use nvda on other places that maybe have firefox
57 in the future!

nvda 17.3 and later i never use forever for many many reasons, but one
of the biggest problem in nvda 17.2 for me is spell with phonetic
which is extremely annoying!

i found a way to return it back to previous behavior, but
unfortunately did not work and this feature causes many problems for
me!

its the most big problem for me, but i have other concerns with newer
versions.

i just want to use nvda 17.1 and keep it forever, but my only concern
is multiprocess and the bugs which i sent there links!

thanks very much, i appreciate any help and God bless you.

On 9/10/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
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Could one ask what the problem with the later nvda is? also I notice
that
the focus issue mentioned in here about Firefox56 is fixed in 57, but
whether it will do all it needs to in an older version of nvda is hard
to
say of course.
I think that those in here that have done development will help if
there
are clear issues.
I would myself say, and this is personally only, that the 32 bit
version
of

Firefox is still more reliable than the 64 bit one and there is no
messing
about in extended set up to disable multi processor support either.
Obviously, you may have a need for the new version but if you do not
I'd
still advise using Firefox 55, not a nightly or beta.

You did not say in this message what operating system you are using
or,
as

I said what problems you are having with later versions of NVDA.

Brian

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nvda!


hello.

for some reasons, i cant use nvda 17.3, even prefer to keep version
17.1 forever and never update it!

however, i read that some crashes are fixed in nvda 17.2 in firefox
with multiprocess enabled!

i realy wish that know if i use firefox with multiprocess (firefox 57
and later) can i use nvda with crash in this situation?

do firefox developers fix the issue or it depends on nvda helper
remote?

i am realy confused and dont know what should i do.

could someone see these bugs and also test with firefox 57 nightly?

because it maybe causes problem for normal users, i only request nvda
developers and programmers to test it for me.

test please nvda 17.1 with firefox 57 nightly and see these bugs.

i sincerely need your help and waiting for the result.

https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6805/

https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6885/

God bless you all, i pray sincerely for you every day, request his
infinite mercy and graces for you and never forget your kindness and
great program and generosity towards me!

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we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org
--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org