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Re: might be OT: image file descriptions

Antony Stone
 

I was aware of Exif, but I thought this was purely used for technical
information about the camera, settings, date & time, and maybe any post-
processing that's been done on the image.

I didn't realise it had a free-form text field for image descriptions.

I hope you find some image manipulation software which allows this to be
edited.

Antony.

On Monday 08 May 2017 at 23:07:07, slery wrote:

Jpeg does contain exif data and I want to add the description there. I was
hoping there was a way to do this in file explorer.

You can view this information by using the context menu under properties
and Ctrl tab to the details tab.


On May 8, 2017 3:52:50 PM Antony Stone wrote:
Where do you want to put these descriptions?

There's no facility in the JPEG format for storing them in the same file
as the image.

You'd need to identify where & how you want these descriptions to be

displayed, and then store them in something like:
- text files with the same name as the JPEG, but a .txt extension
- a database linking the image filesname to the descriptions
- some library or gallery application which supports this sort of
labelling

Tell us how you want to use them and we might be able to suggest somethig
more specific, but JPEG itself doesn't provide this in the way that MP3
does.



Antony.

On Monday 08 May 2017 at 20:44:33, slery wrote:
I'm not sure if this is an accessibility issue that I don't know how to
do or if I am in the right place.

I would like to be able to added short descriptions to JPEG files
something like being able to edit mp3 tags.


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Re: Anyone else having trouble finding the AD in the new look bbc I player?

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Alasdair,

I wanted to watch something in the audio described section but I can't get the program to play. What could I be missing?

Rosemarie

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Alasdair King
Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 1:31 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Anyone else having trouble finding the AD in the new look bbc I player?

Hello chaps, Alasdair here from WebbIE.

The BBC have killed their 7-day TV listings: you get "Maintenance
mode: From April 18, 2017, the BBC is no longer able to offer XML, RDF and iCalendar (.ics) views of programme metadata from this location."

This means that the BBC iPlayer TV program from WebbIE is affected.
The listings per-station are all broken - BBC 1, BBC 2, and so on.
However, the Audio Described section is unaffected, because the program does not use the listings - it goes to the website and screen-scrapes. (Though I note it needs some tender loving care).

I can't see that the Radio side is affected - there are still programmes from yesterday, for example.

Best wishes,
Alasdair King

On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 8:41 PM, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...> wrote:
It seems that as well as taking away the xml code that webie used for
channel program listings, the pages have changed as well as for those
in the uk like myself it was relatively easy to find a show, go to the
page say yes to tv licence, and then select ways to watch and switch
on the AD. NOw when you go to say yes to the tv licence, it
immediately plays and one cannot even hear if the selection is there.
One assumes its somewhere but either nvda/firefox is not seeing it or they have completely screwed it up.
Has anyone here in the UK managed to watch programme with AD since
last week when it changed without warning?

Is it just me or is it bust.

Brian

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Re: might be OT: image file descriptions

slery <slerythema@...>
 

Jpeg does contain exif data and I want to add the description there. I was
hoping there was a way to do this in file explorer.

You can view this information by using the context menu under properties
and Ctrl tab to the details tab.


On May 8, 2017 3:52:50 PM "Antony Stone" <antony.stone@...>
wrote:

Where do you want to put these descriptions?

There's no facility in the JPEG format for storing them in the same file as the
image.

You'd need to identify where & how you want these descriptions to be
displayed, and then store them in something like:

- text files with the same name as the JPEG, but a .txt extension
- a database linking the image filesname to the descriptions
- some library or gallery application which supports this sort of labelling

Tell us how you want to use them and we might be able to suggest somethig more
specific, but JPEG itself doesn't provide this in the way that MP3 does.



Antony.

On Monday 08 May 2017 at 20:44:33, slery wrote:

I'm not sure if this is an accessibility issue that I don't know how to do
or if I am in the right place.

I would like to be able to added short descriptions to JPEG files something
like being able to edit mp3 tags.


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Re: Anyone else having trouble finding the AD in the new look bbc I player?

 

clasic fm hangs the bbc plater radio side

can any one confirm this?



On 5/8/2017 1:44 PM, Chris wrote:

Does that mean there is not going to be any more updates?

 

Many thanks

 

 

From: Alasdair King
Sent: 08 May 2017 21:30
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Anyone else having trouble finding the AD in the new look bbc I player?

 

Hello chaps, Alasdair here from WebbIE.

 

The BBC have killed their 7-day TV listings: you get "Maintenance

mode: From April 18, 2017, the BBC is no longer able to offer XML, RDF

and iCalendar (.ics) views of programme metadata from this location."

 

This means that the BBC iPlayer TV program from WebbIE is affected.

The listings per-station are all broken - BBC 1, BBC 2, and so on.

However, the Audio Described section is unaffected, because the

program does not use the listings - it goes to the website and

screen-scrapes. (Though I note it needs some tender loving care).

 

I can't see that the Radio side is affected - there are still

programmes from yesterday, for example.

 

Best wishes,

Alasdair King

 

On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 8:41 PM, Brian's Mail list account

<bglists@...> wrote:

> It seems that as well as taking away the xml code that webie used for

> channel program listings, the pages have changed as well as for those in the

> uk like myself it was relatively easy to find a show, go to the page say yes

> to tv licence, and then select ways to watch and switch on the AD. NOw when

> you go to say yes to the tv licence, it immediately plays and one cannot

> even hear if the selection is there. One assumes its somewhere but either

> nvda/firefox is not seeing it or they have completely screwed it up.

> Has anyone here in the UK managed to watch  programme with AD since last

> week when it changed without warning?

> Is it just me or is it bust.

> Brian

> bglists@...

> Sent via blueyonder.

> Please address personal email to:-

> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'

> in the display name field.

>

 

 

 

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Re: Anyone else having trouble finding the AD in the new look bbc I player?

Chris
 

Does that mean there is not going to be any more updates?

 

Many thanks

 

 

From: Alasdair King
Sent: 08 May 2017 21:30
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Anyone else having trouble finding the AD in the new look bbc I player?

 

Hello chaps, Alasdair here from WebbIE.

 

The BBC have killed their 7-day TV listings: you get "Maintenance

mode: From April 18, 2017, the BBC is no longer able to offer XML, RDF

and iCalendar (.ics) views of programme metadata from this location."

 

This means that the BBC iPlayer TV program from WebbIE is affected.

The listings per-station are all broken - BBC 1, BBC 2, and so on.

However, the Audio Described section is unaffected, because the

program does not use the listings - it goes to the website and

screen-scrapes. (Though I note it needs some tender loving care).

 

I can't see that the Radio side is affected - there are still

programmes from yesterday, for example.

 

Best wishes,

Alasdair King

 

On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 8:41 PM, Brian's Mail list account

<bglists@...> wrote:

> It seems that as well as taking away the xml code that webie used for

> channel program listings, the pages have changed as well as for those in the

> uk like myself it was relatively easy to find a show, go to the page say yes

> to tv licence, and then select ways to watch and switch on the AD. NOw when

> you go to say yes to the tv licence, it immediately plays and one cannot

> even hear if the selection is there. One assumes its somewhere but either

> nvda/firefox is not seeing it or they have completely screwed it up.

> Has anyone here in the UK managed to watch  programme with AD since last

> week when it changed without warning?

> Is it just me or is it bust.

> Brian

> bglists@...

> Sent via blueyonder.

> Please address personal email to:-

> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'

> in the display name field.

>

 

 

 

--

Alasdair King

 

 

 


Re: Anyone else having trouble finding the AD in the new look bbc I player?

Alasdair King
 

Hello chaps, Alasdair here from WebbIE.

The BBC have killed their 7-day TV listings: you get "Maintenance
mode: From April 18, 2017, the BBC is no longer able to offer XML, RDF
and iCalendar (.ics) views of programme metadata from this location."

This means that the BBC iPlayer TV program from WebbIE is affected.
The listings per-station are all broken - BBC 1, BBC 2, and so on.
However, the Audio Described section is unaffected, because the
program does not use the listings - it goes to the website and
screen-scrapes. (Though I note it needs some tender loving care).

I can't see that the Radio side is affected - there are still
programmes from yesterday, for example.

Best wishes,
Alasdair King

On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 8:41 PM, Brian's Mail list account
<bglists@...> wrote:
It seems that as well as taking away the xml code that webie used for
channel program listings, the pages have changed as well as for those in the
uk like myself it was relatively easy to find a show, go to the page say yes
to tv licence, and then select ways to watch and switch on the AD. NOw when
you go to say yes to the tv licence, it immediately plays and one cannot
even hear if the selection is there. One assumes its somewhere but either
nvda/firefox is not seeing it or they have completely screwed it up.
Has anyone here in the UK managed to watch programme with AD since last
week when it changed without warning?

Is it just me or is it bust.

Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.




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Re: Scanning and Reading PDF files

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

OCR isn't necessary if the person who makes the pdf file puts text into the pdf. Only if the person who prepars the pdf puts images of text in it does OCR need to be run on the pdf file. Most pdf files are created with plain text, and are therefore readable by screen readers. It's only those folks who use screen shots, or graphical representations of text that can't be read directly by screen readers. If you use the control-p command, and tell windows to print to a pdf, as long as you're printing text, it will produce a pdf file that is readable by anyone using a screen reader. If you're using a program that represents text as images (such as most desktop publishing programs), then you will get a graphic picture of the text, and in that case, OCR will be necessary to read the text.

On 5/8/2017 2:44 PM, Fantasy Sports wrote:
So if a PDF file can already be read by NVDA, does that mean
that it was already prepared with an OCR program previously?

Can you suggest an Adobe OCR product that is free or not expensive?

Thank you for all your help.



-----Original Message-----
From: Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
Sent: May 8, 2017 2:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Scanning and Reading PDF files

Personally, I'd use a paid for OCR for books, no matter which format you are
displaying it as, as lots of errors can occur and you do need to be able to
edit the final result.. in my experience a lot, depending on how bad the
printing is how the book binding affects the scan. Its not a precise art,
though a friend actually seems to get better results on his smart phone with
knfb reader than I can with Adbbey or any other one I've tried using a
scanner.

Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fantasy Sports" <fantasylife@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 11:39 PM
Subject: [nvda] Scanning and Reading PDF files


If I scanned a book or magazine page into a PDF file
using a basic scanner, do I need a professional OCR
program to extract the text?

NVDA does seem to have its own decoding system for
PDF files, but I think it depends how the document
was scanned or prepared.

Does anyone know?




Re: MathPlayer Question

Louis Maher <ljmaher@...>
 

Folks,

I apologize, only equations 1 through 3-b are incorrectly shown on a Braille
display. The rest are shown correctly.


I am using mathplayer 4.

Regards
Louis Maher
Phone: 713-444-7838
E-mail: ljmaher@...

-----Original Message-----
From: Louis Maher [mailto:ljmaher@...]
Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 1:36 PM
To: 'nvda@nvda.groups.io' <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: FW: MathPlayer Question

Folks,

I am coming around to the view that the best way to read mathematics on the
web and in Word is NVDA with MathPlayer.

I have attached a MathPlayer tutorial which I obtained from
"https://www.dessci.com/en/reference/ies-ets/instructional_material/MathPlay
er_Navigation_Tutorial.docx".

I find that the equations in this file are read orally correctly, but are
not shown in Braille correctly. I was wondering if the security settings
are not correct. Sometimes when you download files from the web, the
security settings are set to be restrictive. You can see these settings by
opening the file, and hitting f6 a couple of times to take your view to a
security message frame. I have set the settings to be as open as possible.

If you do not have a Braille display, then you can't see the effect.

Can you see this effect?

I am using NVDA 17.1, Windows 10 creators release, and Word 365 run locally.

Things work fine on other word mathematical files, and on the web.

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Regards
Louis Maher
Phone: 713-444-7838
E-mail: ljmaher@...


Re: might be OT: image file descriptions

Antony Stone
 

Where do you want to put these descriptions?

There's no facility in the JPEG format for storing them in the same file as the
image.

You'd need to identify where & how you want these descriptions to be
displayed, and then store them in something like:

- text files with the same name as the JPEG, but a .txt extension
- a database linking the image filesname to the descriptions
- some library or gallery application which supports this sort of labelling

Tell us how you want to use them and we might be able to suggest somethig more
specific, but JPEG itself doesn't provide this in the way that MP3 does.



Antony.

On Monday 08 May 2017 at 20:44:33, slery wrote:

I'm not sure if this is an accessibility issue that I don't know how to do
or if I am in the right place.

I would like to be able to added short descriptions to JPEG files something
like being able to edit mp3 tags.


Cindy
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might be OT: image file descriptions

slery <slerythema@...>
 

I’m not sure if this is an accessibility issue that I don’t know how to do or if I am in the right place.

 

I would like to be able to added short descriptions to JPEG files something like being able to edit mp3 tags.

 

Cindy


Re: Scanning and Reading PDF files

Gene
 

Screen-readers can't read images or pictures of text.  Anything that is read using any program is real text, consisting of computer code for the text.  If you open a PDF document and NVDA reads it, it is real text.  No OCR is necessary.  If you open a document and it’s a picture of text, you must perform OCR on it.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 1:44 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Scanning and Reading PDF files

So if a PDF file can already be read by NVDA, does that mean
that it was already prepared with an OCR program previously?

Can you suggest an Adobe OCR product that is free or not expensive?

Thank you for all your help.



-----Original Message-----
>From: Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
>Sent: May 8, 2017 2:48 AM
>To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>Subject: Re: [nvda] Scanning and Reading PDF files
>
>Personally, I'd use a paid for OCR for books, no matter which format you are
>displaying it as, as lots of errors can occur and you do  need to be able to
>edit the final result.. in my experience a lot, depending on how bad the
>printing is how the book binding affects the scan. Its not a precise art,
>though a friend actually seems to get better results on his smart phone with
>knfb reader than I can with Adbbey or any other one I've tried using a
>scanner.
>
>Brian
>
>bglists@...
>Sent via blueyonder.
>Please address personal email to:-
>briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>in the display name field.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Fantasy Sports" <fantasylife@...>
>To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 11:39 PM
>Subject: [nvda] Scanning and Reading PDF files
>
>
>> If I scanned a book or magazine page into a PDF file
>> using a basic scanner, do I need a professional OCR
>> program to extract the text?
>>
>> NVDA does seem to have its own decoding system for
>> PDF files, but I think it depends how the document
>> was scanned or prepared.
>>
>> Does anyone know?
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>



Re: Single key navigation not working

 

Yes it is a new computer. I am using NVDA 2017.1.     


Re: Scanning and Reading PDF files

Fantasy Sports <fantasylife@...>
 

So if a PDF file can already be read by NVDA, does that mean
that it was already prepared with an OCR program previously?

Can you suggest an Adobe OCR product that is free or not expensive?

Thank you for all your help.

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
Sent: May 8, 2017 2:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Scanning and Reading PDF files

Personally, I'd use a paid for OCR for books, no matter which format you are
displaying it as, as lots of errors can occur and you do need to be able to
edit the final result.. in my experience a lot, depending on how bad the
printing is how the book binding affects the scan. Its not a precise art,
though a friend actually seems to get better results on his smart phone with
knfb reader than I can with Adbbey or any other one I've tried using a
scanner.

Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fantasy Sports" <fantasylife@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 11:39 PM
Subject: [nvda] Scanning and Reading PDF files


If I scanned a book or magazine page into a PDF file
using a basic scanner, do I need a professional OCR
program to extract the text?

NVDA does seem to have its own decoding system for
PDF files, but I think it depends how the document
was scanned or prepared.

Does anyone know?





Re: Hyperlinks and Spelling Errors

Fantasy Sports <fantasylife@...>
 

Thanks, that will help a lot.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: May 7, 2017 11:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Hyperlinks and Spelling Errors

Open the NVDA menu, open preferences and open document formatting.  Look through the dialog and turn off everything you don't want to have announced.  You may not find everything you don't want to hear listed but there are many items.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 7:20 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Hyperlinks and Spelling Errors

I did a lot of experimenting with this, and got it to stop freezing in web documents.

The mistake I was making was using Down Arrow, instead of CTRL + Down Arrow.

Insert+Down Arrow will also successful read through the link.

However, it is saying "link" and "out of link" constantl when getting to the hyperlinks.

Perhaps there is a way to get it to not comment on HTML anchors and also bullet
points, etc?


-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: May 7, 2017 1:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Hyperlinks and Spelling Errors

I don't know of any way to stop such information from being read but it has nothing to do with the links reading problem.  If you are using the read to end command and you have the problem, then that isn't expected behavior.  If you are doing something else to cause NVDA to read, then we would have to know what that is and the behavior may be expected or not tested for.
 
To run NVDA without add ons, use the command insert q.  You can use either insert.  A dialog will come up.  choose run NVDA without add ons and activate the ok button or yes button or whatever the dialog provides.  NVDA will close and then run itself with no add ons.  You can close and restart NVDA to have it run normally with add ons again.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 1:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Hyperlinks and Spelling Errors

Okay, I've been troubleshooting a little.

I haven't figured how to run NVDA without add-ons, so I should probably try
that also.

With the Code Factory add-on, it is reading a lot of the formatting of PDF's
and websites, which I think is the problem.

For instance, every time it gets to a bullet point, it will say the word "bullet".

Is there a way to stop this?  I think if I fix that it will fix the hyperlinks 
problem also.




-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: May 3, 2017 6:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Hyperlinks and Spelling Errors

Do you know how to run NVDA with no add ons?  Doing that would tell you if an add on is causing the problem.  If so, you can then disable one add on at a time until you find the one.  Are you using the standard read to end command, NVDA key down arrow or reading using some other procedure.  This is essential information in discussing the problem.
 
Gene
----- Original Message ----
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 5:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Hyperlinks and Spelling Errors

I am using the Code Factory Vocalizer.

-----Original Message-----
>From: Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
>Sent: May 3, 2017 2:47 AM
>To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>Subject: Re: [nvda] Hyperlinks and Spelling Errors
>
>hi
>
>
>for the first question which synth package are you using?
>
>
>the second question is have a look under the document settings in nvda.
>Uncheck the box that say about report spelling errors.
>
>
>Gene nz
>
>
>
>On 3/05/2017 6:22 PM, Fantasy Sports wrote:
>> Whenever NVDA is reading anything on a web page and it encounters a hyperlink, it
>> stops reading.
>>
>> Is there a way for it to keep going, or to just read the text of the hyperlink itself?
>>
>> Also, I've noticed that when it encounters proper nouns, it will often read out the
>> words "spelling error" when it reads the name.
>>
>> Is there a way to disable that?
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>>
>>
>
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>material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net. Regardless of where you
>are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a
>copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out
>which locations or location is near to you please visit
>http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries |
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>
>
>



FW: MathPlayer Question

Louis Maher <ljmaher@...>
 

Folks,

I am coming around to the view that the best way to read mathematics on the
web and in Word is NVDA with MathPlayer.

I have attached a MathPlayer tutorial which I obtained from
"https://www.dessci.com/en/reference/ies-ets/instructional_material/MathPlay
er_Navigation_Tutorial.docx".

I find that the equations in this file are read orally correctly, but are
not shown in Braille correctly. I was wondering if the security settings
are not correct. Sometimes when you download files from the web, the
security settings are set to be restrictive. You can see these settings by
opening the file, and hitting f6 a couple of times to take your view to a
security message frame. I have set the settings to be as open as possible.

If you do not have a Braille display, then you can't see the effect.

Can you see this effect?

I am using NVDA 17.1, Windows 10 creators release, and Word 365 run locally.

Things work fine on other word mathematical files, and on the web.

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Regards
Louis Maher
Phone: 713-444-7838
E-mail: ljmaher@...


Re: Single key navigation not working

 

hi.
i had this problem since nvda 2016.3 and 2016.4
but i did not use 2016.2 and i am not sure about it.
but in 2017.1 fortunately works great for me, thanks God.
i only use firefox and i am not sure about other browsers.
which version of nvda are you using?

On 5/8/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Is this a new computer? If everything else concerning web navigation is
working, then I wonder if a very specific part of what used to be called
MSAA Mode and now is called, I think, UI automation is corrupted on the
computer? It may be that installing certain files might correct the
problem. We'll see what others say.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Wayne Melling
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 10:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Single key navigation not working





Hi,




I am unable to use the single letter key navigation on web sites. I have
tried with internet explorer, Firefox, and google chrome.




I just got this desk top computer and have windows 10 home. I downloaded
NVDA from my portable flash drive, which was working fine on my old computer
with windows 10.




Any suggestions will be appreciated.




Thanks,




Wayne




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Re: ot: webvisum and firefox53

 

hello.
i use firefox 52 and for me also, webvisum does not work.
is it possible that webvisum only works with usual version of firefox
not ESR version?

On 5/8/17, Marco Oros <marco.oros93@...> wrote:
But, there are maybe some versions also, or no?
I had those versions.



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we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: Windows apps

 

Hi,

As for that, I don’t know.

Regarding making universal apps accessible, there are several issues. There are several documents from Microsoft that basically tells app developers to try to make their apps accessible for everyone (including for screen reader users), but some doesn’t seem to get it (this is after over 30 months of being a Windows Insider and sending feedback to numerous vendors, including numerous feedback to Facebook). Second issue is continuous development model employed by Microsoft where API’s used by universal apps will change from time to time (mostly with some kind of a notice). Lastly, mindset of users play a huge part in this ecosystem – no feedback means no progress, and users MUST (yes, must) be willing to explore what’s out there, otherwise users will insist on using a limited set of apps (that’s why I always encourage other Windows 10 users to explore various universal apps and let us know if there are issues to be aware of).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Justin Harris
Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 5:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows apps

 

Ah, glad I could help. 😊 Btw, I love what you have done with the Station Playlist addon. Great work..

Another random question... Any idea whatever came of ATPrime? It was supposed to help screen readers get more information for nonlabeled or poorly labeled controls, as well as enable easier access to things that we would normally have to use object navigation for. On the web site, it is mentioned that this was in development and was supposed to come out in late 2015, but here we are in 2017, and nothing. I only ask this, because I wonder if something like this would make some of these universal apps easier to use.

Thanks,

Justin

 

El 7/5/2017 a las 22:12, Joseph Lee escribió:

Hi,

Despite repeated feedback, the current situation with Facebook app (inaccessible for keyboard users) is likely to persist for a while. Thank you for reminding me to use an app like this for my upcoming NVDACon presentation on universal apps.

Cheers,

Joseph (author of Windows 10 App Essentials, ObjPad, GoldWave add-ons and maintainer of SPL Studio and Resource Monitor add-ons)

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 7:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows apps

 

Hi

 

I do not know about the face book app but did a while ago did a tutorial on how to use the basics of the main face book website. the other one is quite easy to use that is for the mobile one.

 

There is a i think a written and or audio tutorial on the nvda tutorials for other programs page at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20tutorials%20for%20other%20programs.html

 

You will need to jump down by headings to the ones about face book. then there will be a link just under the heading to them.

 

Gene nz

 

 

On 8/05/2017 1:46 PM, Justin Harris wrote:

Hello,

Thanks for this info. Glad to know that I wasn't missing something. Like I said, a lot of these apps work much better in Narrator, but I don't want to have to learn a completely different screen reader. But glad to know I wasn't doing something wrong. Any experience with the Facebook app?

 

El 7/5/2017 a las 17:59, David Moore escribió:

Hi Justin,

You are not doing anything differently that I am doing. I use NVDA in the Windows apps as well, and it does take a lot of object navigation. An app is set up so differently, that the tab, arrow keys, and so on, will not work in most apps. The apps I use well with NVDAare:

The store app, which can be used by just tabbing. Also, Watch ESPN, which takes a little use of object navigation, you can mostly tab. The NEWS app works great with NVDA, but you have to use a lot of object navigation to read and access the articles. I use the mail, calendar, and people apps all of the time with NVDA. I am using the Mail app right now. Those three apps work by just tabbing, pretty much. I do not use object navigation in the mail app at all. I also use the Groove app with NVDA using about half of just tabbing, and half object navigation. One thing you need to know about apps, is that there are hardly any key commands that can get you around the app quickly. You are stuck with tabbing a lot. Once you figure how many times you have to tab to get somewhere, you can tab that many times very quickly. I hope that helps a little.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Justin Harris
Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 4:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Windows apps

 

Hello everyone,

I hope everyone is having a blessed day. I have been an NVDA user now

for quite some time, but just found out about this list.

I currently have a desktop which I use to run my online radio station.

Also I will be getting a laptop here pretty quick. On the desktop, I

have played around a bit with apps from the Windows App Store, with

mixed results. A lot of them can be used with object navigation, but

most info can't be accessed in the tab order or with arrow keys. For

example, the Weather Channel app. On other platforms it works quite

well. But on Windows, it's a mess. However, I was pleased to find that,

with the Bible app, I could navigate between the different books and

chapters. However, other things such as the verse of the day and

settings, were only available through object navigation.

So, my question is, is there a web page out there somewhere that gives

recommendations of accessible apps? If not, which apps, if any, are you

all using?

I have found that a lot of apps work quite well with Narrator. I

particularly like their Browse mode. However, NVDA offers me things that

Narrator doesn't, such as being able to change the voice with just a

keystroke. Also, I have been using NVDA for long enough that I am

familiar with it. I would prefer not to have to learn another whole set

of key commands. Not a big deal for my desktop, as it is pretty much

only for radio use, but with this laptop, I would like to take advantage

of more of these Windows apps.

Thanks,

Justin

 

 

 

 

 

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Re: ot: webvisum and firefox53

Marco Oros
 

But, there are maybe some versions also, or no?
I had those versions.


Re: Single key navigation not working

Gene
 

Is this a new computer?  If everything else concerning web navigation is working, then I wonder if a very specific part of what used to be called MSAA Mode and now is called, I think, UI automation is corrupted on the computer?  It may be that installing certain files might correct the problem.  We'll see what others say.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 10:27 AM
Subject: [nvda] Single key navigation not working


Hi,


I am unable to use the single letter key navigation on web sites. I have tried with internet explorer, Firefox, and google chrome.


I just got this desk top computer and have windows 10 home. I downloaded NVDA from my portable flash drive, which was working fine on my old computer with windows 10.


Any suggestions will be appreciated.


Thanks,


Wayne