Date   
Re: something for you to enjoy

Chikodinaka mr. Oguledo
 

I cant downlode the song send it in a mp3 not dropbox. its not working

On 1/1/20, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:
Hey this has something to do with this new decade.  Enjoy this for
yourselves.  This will be up for a week. Then I’ll take it down. Happy
listening!
https://www.dropbox.com/s/rg2y9qjvenjqfwi/01%20-%20In%20the%20year%202525.mp3?dl=0



Sent from Mail for Windows 10



Re: Finding text in an email

Gene
 

I doubt that modern e-mail programs are very susceptible to the kinds of attacks that might be tried when reading messages as HTML.  That is, if using the default settings which block external content.  And Thunderbird has simple HTML which only shows the text of a message using the HTML used to format the text but not running anything else.  Others may have more technical knowledge on the topic and may agree and disagree but it is my understanding that e-mail programs are well protected these days.  Also, I suspect that HTML e-mail attacks are seldom used these days because e-mail programs are quite secure and because you can get so much better results with phishing campaigns.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2020 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Finding text in an email

Martin and Jan,

I find that the read all command will work in a message that is in HTML
format. You do have to wait for the cursor to pass beyond the image to start
speaking. This is, of course, an awful nuisance if you are trying to get
through emails as fast as possible!

Anyway, you can easily change your Outlook options to view all emails in
Plain text as follows:
1. select "File" > "Options".
2. Select "Mail" in the left pane.
3. In the "Compose messages" section, change the "Compose messages in this
format:" to "Plain Text".

All the best,

Cearbhall

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Antony Stone
Sent: Wednesday, January 1, 2020 7:51 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Finding text in an email

My recommendation is to turn off HTML mode.

That not only disables pointless graphics, but also avoids quite a number of
malware and phishing attempts.

I can't tell you how to do this in Outlook 2019 specifically (maybe someone
else here can), but it might give you a good pointer for what to look for in
the menus.

PS: On this topic, *please* can people on this list avoid sending HTML-only
(rather than either text-only or mixed text+HTML) emails?  Plenty of people
disable HTML emails by default, and especially on this list, I don't see any
good reason for sending such emails.  Thanks in advance :)


Antony.

On Wednesday 01 January 2020 at 20:39:09, Janet Brandly wrote:

> Hello all,
>
>
>
> Many emails I get contain logos and other types of graphics. I'm using
> Outlook 2019. Is there an NVDA key command to bypass the graphics and
> navigate directly to the text? The "read all" command does not work
> reliably.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jan
>
>
>

--
If you can't find an Open Source solution for it, then it isn't a real
problem.

                                                   Please reply to the list;
                                                         please *don't* CC
me.





Re: Finding text in an email

Gene
 

If you read e-mail as plain text, you might not see all those graphics, I'm not sure.  But you might try it.  Or you could try something like searching for a very commmon word such as "the."  Since so many sentences have that word, you will likely be placed close to the beginning of text.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2020 1:39 PM
Subject: [nvda] Finding text in an email

Hello all,

 

Many emails I get contain logos and other types of graphics. I’m using Outlook 2019. Is there an NVDA key command to bypass the graphics and navigate directly to the text? The “read all” command does not work reliably.

 

Thanks,

Jan  

something for you to enjoy

Arlene
 

Hey this has something to do with this new decade.  Enjoy this for yourselves.  This will be up for a week. Then I’ll take it down. Happy listening!  https://www.dropbox.com/s/rg2y9qjvenjqfwi/01%20-%20In%20the%20year%202525.mp3?dl=0

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

Re: Nvda ocr addon

Arlene
 

, I don’t have a 7 box anymore, mine died late last February. It lost all soundand I probably would have needed a new sound card.  I didn’t want to spend the money getting a new sound card for an 8 year old 7 box.  It was becoming more and more unreliable. I was going to leave 7 anyway! I knew support would be running out soon.  I was just concerned for those who still use 7.   

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Lino Morales
Sent: January 1, 2020 3:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Nvda ocr addon

 

MS will kill off support for WIN 7 on JAN 14th so buy you a new machine if you got some bucks. You can use it, but you’ll not get security updates.

 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Sent from Mail for Windows 10

                                                                                                               

 

From: Arlene
Sent: Wednesday, January 1, 2020 5:51 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Nvda ocr addon

 

Hi, I thought support is running out for windows 7.  When is Microsoft quitting support for windows 7?  I wonder if windows 7 is going to be like xp having no security on the net?  I personally don’t care if people still want to use it. If they do, they should just use it for checking mail. Or things you can do with it that you may not be able to do with ten.  Like audio programs like total recorder or using audio equipment such as taking audio from cassette tapes I know you can do it with xp.  If I had 7 I’d not do on line banking with it. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: molly the blind tech lover
Sent: January 1, 2020 9:14 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Nvda ocr addon

 

Hi.

I think there’s an ocr add-on that you might be able to use with windows 7. Try this link  . . .

https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/ocr.en.html

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rana Ayaz
Sent: Wednesday, January 1, 2020 12:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Nvda ocr addon

 

Thanks for response
But I want to use with window 7 32 bit

 

On Wed, Jan 1, 2020, 9:59 PM molly the blind tech lover <brainardmolly@...> wrote:

Hi.

There’s a Windows 10 ocr. If you go into NVDA’s settings, scroll down to windows 10 ocr, press tab till you get to the recognition language. You can use the up and down arrows   to choose which recognition language you prefer.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rana Ayaz
Sent: Wednesday, January 1, 2020 12:41 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Nvda ocr addon

 

Greetings to all and Happy New year respected members I want to know about NVDA optical character recognition addon
For all languages

 

 

 

Re: Nvda ocr addon

Lino Morales
 

MS will kill off support for WIN 7 on JAN 14th so buy you a new machine if you got some bucks. You can use it, but you’ll not get security updates.

 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Sent from Mail for Windows 10

                                                                                                               

 

From: Arlene
Sent: Wednesday, January 1, 2020 5:51 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Nvda ocr addon

 

Hi, I thought support is running out for windows 7.  When is Microsoft quitting support for windows 7?  I wonder if windows 7 is going to be like xp having no security on the net?  I personally don’t care if people still want to use it. If they do, they should just use it for checking mail. Or things you can do with it that you may not be able to do with ten.  Like audio programs like total recorder or using audio equipment such as taking audio from cassette tapes I know you can do it with xp.  If I had 7 I’d not do on line banking with it. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: molly the blind tech lover
Sent: January 1, 2020 9:14 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Nvda ocr addon

 

Hi.

I think there’s an ocr add-on that you might be able to use with windows 7. Try this link  . . .

https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/ocr.en.html

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rana Ayaz
Sent: Wednesday, January 1, 2020 12:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Nvda ocr addon

 

Thanks for response
But I want to use with window 7 32 bit

 

On Wed, Jan 1, 2020, 9:59 PM molly the blind tech lover <brainardmolly@...> wrote:

Hi.

There’s a Windows 10 ocr. If you go into NVDA’s settings, scroll down to windows 10 ocr, press tab till you get to the recognition language. You can use the up and down arrows   to choose which recognition language you prefer.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rana Ayaz
Sent: Wednesday, January 1, 2020 12:41 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Nvda ocr addon

 

Greetings to all and Happy New year respected members I want to know about NVDA optical character recognition addon
For all languages

 

 

Re: Welcome to the new decade

Arlene
 

Hmmm, I think we have to just wait and see.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: January 1, 2020 2:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Welcome to the new decade

 

Hmph, do we honestly think anything new will actually happen immediately.

I read a celebratory article on this date in 2000 where the y2k bug was about.

A lot had been done to fix things.

All those suckers that got those y2k avoidence software packages, etc.

Yeah it could have been quite bad but we got on top of it.

Today I wake up to windows update taking ages to check for any update  though it eventually does and the net suddenly congested.

Its an election year which basically means which dumbo will we vote in and how long will they stay smart or not.

People always say we will have bigger and better things.

The climate and other protests continue to push us closer and closer to world war 3, another ression and maybe the net will fail according to some scary youtube video.

My friend who I was going to visit today is suddenly sick, half of australia is on fire, and jakata is flooding.

So maybe it will be the decade of bad luck.

 

 

On 2/01/2020 10:30 am, brian wrote:

    I think the reason that so many people think of this year as the start of a new decade is there is no more 19 they hear 20 and think a new set of 10 years has started.  We have started the decade of the 20's so we can say we are now in the 20's and not the teens.  People said the same thing back when y2k happend that the new decade would not start until 2001. This is the first year of the 20's so why not count it as such? 

Brian Sackrider

On 12/31/2019 10:16 PM, Oriana wrote:

Sir,

 

Thank you for your clarifying email. I would like to remind you that the year is only 2020 "anno Domini nostri Jesu Christi" in the Western Christian tradition, and is not based on an actually observable incident. Based on historical data, some have argued that the entire numbering system is as far off as 3 years from the census that supposedly took place right before Christ's birth. Also, the Julian/Gregorian calendar, which transfers from 1 BC (year of Christ's birth) to 1 AD (a baby Christ's first birthday?) without a year zero are not the only calendars to measure 2020 years from that point: several other Eastern and Western calendars count the years from 0, which corresponds to 1 BC in the Julian/Gregorian. Taking such discrepancies into consideration, it makes perfect sense to celebrate the birth of a new decade at year zero.

 

Yours respectfully,

Oriana

 

On Tue, Dec 31, 2019, 9:56 PM Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@...> wrote:

Hi group,

I will be ready to wish everybody a happy new decade in precisely one year from now.  The actual fact is that the new decade (the 2020's) does not scientifically start until 12:00 AM January 1, 2021.  The simple fact is that there is nor has there ever been a year zero.  Therefore, when you begin numbering years, it is just as if you are counting any object such as dollars, chickens or daffodils.  You don't have ten of them until you actually have ten in hand. 

Arthur C. Clark the author of 2001 A Space Odyssey predicted this in his 1968 novel of the same name, written concurrently with the production of Stanley Kubrick's movie production. 

In that book, Clark projects that people would celebrate the turn of the millennium on January 1, 2000 rather than when it should be celebrated on January 1, 2001.  This prediction came true--exactly as Clark described it.

So it is with this idea of the beginning of a decade.  So long story short: the decade ain't over until it's over on January 1, 2001.
 

On 12/31/2019 7:26 PM, Supanut Leepaisomboon wrote:

Hi everyone,
I would like to wish all of you a great happy New Year. Hope you all had a good time celebrating with your friends or family. May the new decade be an amazing decade for all of you.

Welcome, 2020!

Supanut Leepaisomboon

BBA International Business

Mahidol University International College



-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"

 

Re: Nvda ocr addon

Arlene
 

Hi, I thought support is running out for windows 7.  When is Microsoft quitting support for windows 7?  I wonder if windows 7 is going to be like xp having no security on the net?  I personally don’t care if people still want to use it. If they do, they should just use it for checking mail. Or things you can do with it that you may not be able to do with ten.  Like audio programs like total recorder or using audio equipment such as taking audio from cassette tapes I know you can do it with xp.  If I had 7 I’d not do on line banking with it. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: molly the blind tech lover
Sent: January 1, 2020 9:14 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Nvda ocr addon

 

Hi.

I think there’s an ocr add-on that you might be able to use with windows 7. Try this link  . . .

https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/ocr.en.html

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rana Ayaz
Sent: Wednesday, January 1, 2020 12:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Nvda ocr addon

 

Thanks for response
But I want to use with window 7 32 bit

 

On Wed, Jan 1, 2020, 9:59 PM molly the blind tech lover <brainardmolly@...> wrote:

Hi.

There’s a Windows 10 ocr. If you go into NVDA’s settings, scroll down to windows 10 ocr, press tab till you get to the recognition language. You can use the up and down arrows   to choose which recognition language you prefer.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rana Ayaz
Sent: Wednesday, January 1, 2020 12:41 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Nvda ocr addon

 

Greetings to all and Happy New year respected members I want to know about NVDA optical character recognition addon
For all languages

 

Re: Finding text in an email

Rui Fontes
 

You have a NVDA command in browse mode, n, that jumps the blocks of links, graphics and so on going to the next text.

 

You also have an add-on, browsernav, with a command to the same purpose, but mor efficient…

 

Rui Fontes

 

 

De: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Em Nome De Janet Brandly
Enviada: quarta-feira, 1 de janeiro de 2020 19:39
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: [nvda] Finding text in an email

 

Hello all,

 

Many emails I get contain logos and other types of graphics. I’m using Outlook 2019. Is there an NVDA key command to bypass the graphics and navigate directly to the text? The “read all” command does not work reliably.

 

Thanks,

Jan  

Re: Vocalizer expressive driver question

Rui Fontes
 

Please, contact me in private.

 

Rui Fontes

Tiflotecnia, Lda.

Rui.fontes@...

 

 

De: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Em Nome De Greg Wocher
Enviada: quarta-feira, 1 de janeiro de 2020 20:38
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] Vocalizer expressive driver question

 

Hello,

I finally got it. Only now it keeps telling me it cannot verify my credentials. 

 

Greg Wocher



On Jan 1, 2020, at 1:35 PM, Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@...> wrote:

 

Thanks!

 

I understand now what have happened…

 

I have changed the link gave by Filezilla…

 

Rui Fontes

Tiflotecnia, Lda.

 

De: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Em Nome De Brian Vogel
Enviada: quarta-feira, 1 de janeiro de 2020 17:17
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] Vocalizer expressive driver question

 

On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 10:26 AM, Rui Fontes wrote:

Very strange!

Rui,

        You've probably gotten two messages regarding my having edited your initial post, but that still wouldn't have explained the strangeness.  In the original, for some reason, the opening "ht" in your full link was not part of the link, and the remainder resolved to this:

                    ftp://tiflo@.../home/tiflo/html/Instal/vocalizer_expressive_driver-3.1.0.nvda-addon

which does demand login.  The link you intended:

                    https://www.tiflotecnia.net/Instal/vocalizer_expressive_driver-3.1.0.nvda-addon

does precisely what you said and thought it would.  Heaven only knows how that original bit came to pass, but I thought you would appreciate knowing exactly what had occurred.
 
-- 

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in and out of favor. 

         ~ Robert Frost, The Black Cottage (1914)

 

 

 

Re: Welcome to the new decade

 

Hmmm who actually knows.

There are so many predictions like the 2012 end of the world thing.

A lot of people in my family didn't care for the end of the world, since all of us would probably die, but to see the end of something or the beginning of a new thing is a momentus event in history even if after that you are no more, to see the end should mean something.


On 2/01/2020 10:32 am, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

I've always thought a new decade started with a year like 2020.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of brian
Sent: Wednesday, January 1, 2020 1:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Welcome to the new decade

 

    I think the reason that so many people think of this year as the start of a new decade is there is no more 19 they hear 20 and think a new set of 10 years has started.  We have started the decade of the 20's so we can say we are now in the 20's and not the teens.  People said the same thing back when y2k happend that the new decade would not start until 2001. This is the first year of the 20's so why not count it as such? 

Brian Sackrider

On 12/31/2019 10:16 PM, Oriana wrote:

Sir,

 

Thank you for your clarifying email. I would like to remind you that the year is only 2020 "anno Domini nostri Jesu Christi" in the Western Christian tradition, and is not based on an actually observable incident. Based on historical data, some have argued that the entire numbering system is as far off as 3 years from the census that supposedly took place right before Christ's birth. Also, the Julian/Gregorian calendar, which transfers from 1 BC (year of Christ's birth) to 1 AD (a baby Christ's first birthday?) without a year zero are not the only calendars to measure 2020 years from that point: several other Eastern and Western calendars count the years from 0, which corresponds to 1 BC in the Julian/Gregorian. Taking such discrepancies into consideration, it makes perfect sense to celebrate the birth of a new decade at year zero.

 

Yours respectfully,

Oriana

 

On Tue, Dec 31, 2019, 9:56 PM Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@...> wrote:

Hi group,

I will be ready to wish everybody a happy new decade in precisely one year from now.  The actual fact is that the new decade (the 2020's) does not scientifically start until 12:00 AM January 1, 2021.  The simple fact is that there is nor has there ever been a year zero.  Therefore, when you begin numbering years, it is just as if you are counting any object such as dollars, chickens or daffodils.  You don't have ten of them until you actually have ten in hand. 

Arthur C. Clark the author of 2001 A Space Odyssey predicted this in his 1968 novel of the same name, written concurrently with the production of Stanley Kubrick's movie production. 

In that book, Clark projects that people would celebrate the turn of the millennium on January 1, 2000 rather than when it should be celebrated on January 1, 2001.  This prediction came true--exactly as Clark described it.

So it is with this idea of the beginning of a decade.  So long story short: the decade ain't over until it's over on January 1, 2001.
 

On 12/31/2019 7:26 PM, Supanut Leepaisomboon wrote:

Hi everyone,
I would like to wish all of you a great happy New Year. Hope you all had a good time celebrating with your friends or family. May the new decade be an amazing decade for all of you.

Welcome, 2020!

Supanut Leepaisomboon

BBA International Business

Mahidol University International College



-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"

Re: Welcome to the new decade

 

Hmph, do we honestly think anything new will actually happen immediately.

I read a celebratory article on this date in 2000 where the y2k bug was about.

A lot had been done to fix things.

All those suckers that got those y2k avoidence software packages, etc.

Yeah it could have been quite bad but we got on top of it.

Today I wake up to windows update taking ages to check for any update  though it eventually does and the net suddenly congested.

Its an election year which basically means which dumbo will we vote in and how long will they stay smart or not.

People always say we will have bigger and better things.

The climate and other protests continue to push us closer and closer to world war 3, another ression and maybe the net will fail according to some scary youtube video.

My friend who I was going to visit today is suddenly sick, half of australia is on fire, and jakata is flooding.

So maybe it will be the decade of bad luck.



On 2/01/2020 10:30 am, brian wrote:

    I think the reason that so many people think of this year as the start of a new decade is there is no more 19 they hear 20 and think a new set of 10 years has started.  We have started the decade of the 20's so we can say we are now in the 20's and not the teens.  People said the same thing back when y2k happend that the new decade would not start until 2001. This is the first year of the 20's so why not count it as such? 

Brian Sackrider

On 12/31/2019 10:16 PM, Oriana wrote:
Sir,

Thank you for your clarifying email. I would like to remind you that the year is only 2020 "anno Domini nostri Jesu Christi" in the Western Christian tradition, and is not based on an actually observable incident. Based on historical data, some have argued that the entire numbering system is as far off as 3 years from the census that supposedly took place right before Christ's birth. Also, the Julian/Gregorian calendar, which transfers from 1 BC (year of Christ's birth) to 1 AD (a baby Christ's first birthday?) without a year zero are not the only calendars to measure 2020 years from that point: several other Eastern and Western calendars count the years from 0, which corresponds to 1 BC in the Julian/Gregorian. Taking such discrepancies into consideration, it makes perfect sense to celebrate the birth of a new decade at year zero.

Yours respectfully,
Oriana

On Tue, Dec 31, 2019, 9:56 PM Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@...> wrote:
Hi group,

I will be ready to wish everybody a happy new decade in precisely one year from now.  The actual fact is that the new decade (the 2020's) does not scientifically start until 12:00 AM January 1, 2021.  The simple fact is that there is nor has there ever been a year zero.  Therefore, when you begin numbering years, it is just as if you are counting any object such as dollars, chickens or daffodils.  You don't have ten of them until you actually have ten in hand. 

Arthur C. Clark the author of 2001 A Space Odyssey predicted this in his 1968 novel of the same name, written concurrently with the production of Stanley Kubrick's movie production. 

In that book, Clark projects that people would celebrate the turn of the millennium on January 1, 2000 rather than when it should be celebrated on January 1, 2001.  This prediction came true--exactly as Clark described it.

So it is with this idea of the beginning of a decade.  So long story short: the decade ain't over until it's over on January 1, 2001.
 

On 12/31/2019 7:26 PM, Supanut Leepaisomboon wrote:
Hi everyone,
I would like to wish all of you a great happy New Year. Hope you all had a good time celebrating with your friends or family. May the new decade be an amazing decade for all of you.
Welcome, 2020!

Supanut Leepaisomboon

BBA International Business

Mahidol University International College


-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"

Re: Welcome to the new decade

David Moore
 

Yes, a new decade does not start until the 1 of that decade!

It is funny that people thought that 2000 was the start of the new millennium, but it was not until 2001 LOL!

Think about it in this way!

Years 1-10 was the first decade, and the second decade was 11-20, and so on!

That is the easiest way to think about it LOL!

David Moore

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Wednesday, January 1, 2020 4:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Welcome to the new decade

 

I've always thought a new decade started with a year like 2020.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of brian
Sent: Wednesday, January 1, 2020 1:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Welcome to the new decade

 

    I think the reason that so many people think of this year as the start of a new decade is there is no more 19 they hear 20 and think a new set of 10 years has started.  We have started the decade of the 20's so we can say we are now in the 20's and not the teens.  People said the same thing back when y2k happend that the new decade would not start until 2001. This is the first year of the 20's so why not count it as such? 

Brian Sackrider

On 12/31/2019 10:16 PM, Oriana wrote:

Sir,

 

Thank you for your clarifying email. I would like to remind you that the year is only 2020 "anno Domini nostri Jesu Christi" in the Western Christian tradition, and is not based on an actually observable incident. Based on historical data, some have argued that the entire numbering system is as far off as 3 years from the census that supposedly took place right before Christ's birth. Also, the Julian/Gregorian calendar, which transfers from 1 BC (year of Christ's birth) to 1 AD (a baby Christ's first birthday?) without a year zero are not the only calendars to measure 2020 years from that point: several other Eastern and Western calendars count the years from 0, which corresponds to 1 BC in the Julian/Gregorian. Taking such discrepancies into consideration, it makes perfect sense to celebrate the birth of a new decade at year zero.

 

Yours respectfully,

Oriana

 

On Tue, Dec 31, 2019, 9:56 PM Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@...> wrote:

Hi group,

I will be ready to wish everybody a happy new decade in precisely one year from now.  The actual fact is that the new decade (the 2020's) does not scientifically start until 12:00 AM January 1, 2021.  The simple fact is that there is nor has there ever been a year zero.  Therefore, when you begin numbering years, it is just as if you are counting any object such as dollars, chickens or daffodils.  You don't have ten of them until you actually have ten in hand. 

Arthur C. Clark the author of 2001 A Space Odyssey predicted this in his 1968 novel of the same name, written concurrently with the production of Stanley Kubrick's movie production. 

In that book, Clark projects that people would celebrate the turn of the millennium on January 1, 2000 rather than when it should be celebrated on January 1, 2001.  This prediction came true--exactly as Clark described it.

So it is with this idea of the beginning of a decade.  So long story short: the decade ain't over until it's over on January 1, 2001.
 

On 12/31/2019 7:26 PM, Supanut Leepaisomboon wrote:

Hi everyone,
I would like to wish all of you a great happy New Year. Hope you all had a good time celebrating with your friends or family. May the new decade be an amazing decade for all of you.

Welcome, 2020!

Supanut Leepaisomboon

BBA International Business

Mahidol University International College

 

-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"

 

Re: Welcome to the new decade

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I've always thought a new decade started with a year like 2020.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of brian
Sent: Wednesday, January 1, 2020 1:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Welcome to the new decade

 

    I think the reason that so many people think of this year as the start of a new decade is there is no more 19 they hear 20 and think a new set of 10 years has started.  We have started the decade of the 20's so we can say we are now in the 20's and not the teens.  People said the same thing back when y2k happend that the new decade would not start until 2001. This is the first year of the 20's so why not count it as such? 

Brian Sackrider

On 12/31/2019 10:16 PM, Oriana wrote:

Sir,

 

Thank you for your clarifying email. I would like to remind you that the year is only 2020 "anno Domini nostri Jesu Christi" in the Western Christian tradition, and is not based on an actually observable incident. Based on historical data, some have argued that the entire numbering system is as far off as 3 years from the census that supposedly took place right before Christ's birth. Also, the Julian/Gregorian calendar, which transfers from 1 BC (year of Christ's birth) to 1 AD (a baby Christ's first birthday?) without a year zero are not the only calendars to measure 2020 years from that point: several other Eastern and Western calendars count the years from 0, which corresponds to 1 BC in the Julian/Gregorian. Taking such discrepancies into consideration, it makes perfect sense to celebrate the birth of a new decade at year zero.

 

Yours respectfully,

Oriana

 

On Tue, Dec 31, 2019, 9:56 PM Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@...> wrote:

Hi group,

I will be ready to wish everybody a happy new decade in precisely one year from now.  The actual fact is that the new decade (the 2020's) does not scientifically start until 12:00 AM January 1, 2021.  The simple fact is that there is nor has there ever been a year zero.  Therefore, when you begin numbering years, it is just as if you are counting any object such as dollars, chickens or daffodils.  You don't have ten of them until you actually have ten in hand. 

Arthur C. Clark the author of 2001 A Space Odyssey predicted this in his 1968 novel of the same name, written concurrently with the production of Stanley Kubrick's movie production. 

In that book, Clark projects that people would celebrate the turn of the millennium on January 1, 2000 rather than when it should be celebrated on January 1, 2001.  This prediction came true--exactly as Clark described it.

So it is with this idea of the beginning of a decade.  So long story short: the decade ain't over until it's over on January 1, 2001.
 

On 12/31/2019 7:26 PM, Supanut Leepaisomboon wrote:

Hi everyone,
I would like to wish all of you a great happy New Year. Hope you all had a good time celebrating with your friends or family. May the new decade be an amazing decade for all of you.

Welcome, 2020!

Supanut Leepaisomboon

BBA International Business

Mahidol University International College



-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"

Re: Welcome to the new decade

brian
 

    I think the reason that so many people think of this year as the start of a new decade is there is no more 19 they hear 20 and think a new set of 10 years has started.  We have started the decade of the 20's so we can say we are now in the 20's and not the teens.  People said the same thing back when y2k happend that the new decade would not start until 2001. This is the first year of the 20's so why not count it as such? 

Brian Sackrider

On 12/31/2019 10:16 PM, Oriana wrote:
Sir,

Thank you for your clarifying email. I would like to remind you that the year is only 2020 "anno Domini nostri Jesu Christi" in the Western Christian tradition, and is not based on an actually observable incident. Based on historical data, some have argued that the entire numbering system is as far off as 3 years from the census that supposedly took place right before Christ's birth. Also, the Julian/Gregorian calendar, which transfers from 1 BC (year of Christ's birth) to 1 AD (a baby Christ's first birthday?) without a year zero are not the only calendars to measure 2020 years from that point: several other Eastern and Western calendars count the years from 0, which corresponds to 1 BC in the Julian/Gregorian. Taking such discrepancies into consideration, it makes perfect sense to celebrate the birth of a new decade at year zero.

Yours respectfully,
Oriana

On Tue, Dec 31, 2019, 9:56 PM Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@...> wrote:
Hi group,

I will be ready to wish everybody a happy new decade in precisely one year from now.  The actual fact is that the new decade (the 2020's) does not scientifically start until 12:00 AM January 1, 2021.  The simple fact is that there is nor has there ever been a year zero.  Therefore, when you begin numbering years, it is just as if you are counting any object such as dollars, chickens or daffodils.  You don't have ten of them until you actually have ten in hand. 

Arthur C. Clark the author of 2001 A Space Odyssey predicted this in his 1968 novel of the same name, written concurrently with the production of Stanley Kubrick's movie production. 

In that book, Clark projects that people would celebrate the turn of the millennium on January 1, 2000 rather than when it should be celebrated on January 1, 2001.  This prediction came true--exactly as Clark described it.

So it is with this idea of the beginning of a decade.  So long story short: the decade ain't over until it's over on January 1, 2001.
 

On 12/31/2019 7:26 PM, Supanut Leepaisomboon wrote:
Hi everyone,
I would like to wish all of you a great happy New Year. Hope you all had a good time celebrating with your friends or family. May the new decade be an amazing decade for all of you.
Welcome, 2020!

Supanut Leepaisomboon

BBA International Business

Mahidol University International College


-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"

Re: Vocalizer expressive driver question

 

On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 04:00 PM, Chikodinaka mr. Oguledo wrote:
please put them on the Addons.nvda-project.org please do it soon b4 the new nvda is out
Since this is a commercial product, which one must purchase and have a license to use, it's not likely to ever appear on the community add-ons page.

See:  https://vocalizer-nvda.com/
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in and out of favor.

         ~ Robert Frost, The Black Cottage (1914)

 

 

Re: Vocalizer expressive driver question

Chikodinaka mr. Oguledo
 

I cant downlode the addons I don't hav the nvda20000.3 please put them
on the Addons.nvda-project.org please do it soon b4 the new nvda is
out

On 1/1/20, Chikodinaka mr. Oguledo via Groups.Io
<chikodinaka.2girls=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
please add this vocolizer to www.addons.nvda-project.org please
please. so when it comes out the nvda community will b ready. I cant
downlode the addon. please put all addons 2that list and website
addons.NVDA-project.org today!

On 1/1/20, Greg Wocher <gwocher@...> wrote:
Hello,
I finally got it. Only now it keeps telling me it cannot verify my
credentials.

Greg Wocher

On Jan 1, 2020, at 1:35 PM, Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@...>
wrote:

Thanks!

I understand now what have happened…

I have changed the link gave by Filezilla…

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.

De: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> Em Nome De Brian Vogel
Enviada: quarta-feira, 1 de janeiro de 2020 17:17
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Assunto: Re: [nvda] Vocalizer expressive driver question

On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 10:26 AM, Rui Fontes wrote:
Very strange!
Rui,

You've probably gotten two messages regarding my having edited
your initial post, but that still wouldn't have explained the
strangeness.
In the original, for some reason, the opening "ht" in your full link
was
not part of the link, and the remainder resolved to this:


ftp://tiflo@.../home/tiflo/html/Instal/vocalizer_expressive_driver-3.1.0.nvda-addon
<ftp://tiflo@.../home/tiflo/html/Instal/vocalizer_expressive_driver-3.1.0.nvda-addon>

which does demand login. The link you intended:


https://www.tiflotecnia.net/Instal/vocalizer_expressive_driver-3.1.0.nvda-addon
<https://www.tiflotecnia.net/Instal/vocalizer_expressive_driver-3.1.0.nvda-addon>

does precisely what you said and thought it would. Heaven only knows
how
that original bit came to pass, but I thought you would appreciate
knowing
exactly what had occurred.

--
Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363
Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in and
out of favor.
~ Robert Frost, The Black Cottage (1914)









Re: Vocalizer expressive driver question

Chikodinaka mr. Oguledo
 

please add this vocolizer to www.addons.nvda-project.org please
please. so when it comes out the nvda community will b ready. I cant
downlode the addon. please put all addons 2that list and website
addons.NVDA-project.org today!

On 1/1/20, Greg Wocher <gwocher@...> wrote:
Hello,
I finally got it. Only now it keeps telling me it cannot verify my
credentials.

Greg Wocher

On Jan 1, 2020, at 1:35 PM, Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@...>
wrote:

Thanks!

I understand now what have happened…

I have changed the link gave by Filezilla…

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.

De: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> Em Nome De Brian Vogel
Enviada: quarta-feira, 1 de janeiro de 2020 17:17
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Assunto: Re: [nvda] Vocalizer expressive driver question

On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 10:26 AM, Rui Fontes wrote:
Very strange!
Rui,

You've probably gotten two messages regarding my having edited
your initial post, but that still wouldn't have explained the strangeness.
In the original, for some reason, the opening "ht" in your full link was
not part of the link, and the remainder resolved to this:


ftp://tiflo@.../home/tiflo/html/Instal/vocalizer_expressive_driver-3.1.0.nvda-addon
<ftp://tiflo@.../home/tiflo/html/Instal/vocalizer_expressive_driver-3.1.0.nvda-addon>

which does demand login. The link you intended:


https://www.tiflotecnia.net/Instal/vocalizer_expressive_driver-3.1.0.nvda-addon
<https://www.tiflotecnia.net/Instal/vocalizer_expressive_driver-3.1.0.nvda-addon>

does precisely what you said and thought it would. Heaven only knows how
that original bit came to pass, but I thought you would appreciate knowing
exactly what had occurred.

--
Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363
Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in and
out of favor.
~ Robert Frost, The Black Cottage (1914)







Re: Finding text in an email

 

Telling anyone to avoid HTML e-mail at this point in history (and by avoid I don't mean changing how one might choose to view messages) is an exercise in futility, to put it mildly.  It can also result in a major loss of content and actual ease of access from many e-mail messages.

HTML format has been the de facto convention for a very long time now.  Most screen readers seem to do quite well with it, in my observation, and they'd have to since the vast majority of e-mail messages these days involve HTML formatting.

The HTML ship has sailed and the days of the plain-text dinghy are never coming back - at least if one wishes to conform oneself to the wider world as it is.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in and out of favor.

         ~ Robert Frost, The Black Cottage (1914)

 

 

Re: Finding text in an email

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Martin and Jan,

I find that the read all command will work in a message that is in HTML
format. You do have to wait for the cursor to pass beyond the image to start
speaking. This is, of course, an awful nuisance if you are trying to get
through emails as fast as possible!

Anyway, you can easily change your Outlook options to view all emails in
Plain text as follows:
1. select "File" > "Options".
2. Select "Mail" in the left pane.
3. In the "Compose messages" section, change the "Compose messages in this
format:" to "Plain Text".

All the best,

Cearbhall

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Antony Stone
Sent: Wednesday, January 1, 2020 7:51 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Finding text in an email

My recommendation is to turn off HTML mode.

That not only disables pointless graphics, but also avoids quite a number of
malware and phishing attempts.

I can't tell you how to do this in Outlook 2019 specifically (maybe someone
else here can), but it might give you a good pointer for what to look for in
the menus.

PS: On this topic, *please* can people on this list avoid sending HTML-only
(rather than either text-only or mixed text+HTML) emails? Plenty of people
disable HTML emails by default, and especially on this list, I don't see any
good reason for sending such emails. Thanks in advance :)


Antony.

On Wednesday 01 January 2020 at 20:39:09, Janet Brandly wrote:

Hello all,



Many emails I get contain logos and other types of graphics. I'm using
Outlook 2019. Is there an NVDA key command to bypass the graphics and
navigate directly to the text? The "read all" command does not work
reliably.



Thanks,

Jan


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