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Re: Vocalizer expressive driver question

Greg Wocher
 

Hello,
I finally got it. Only now it keeps telling me it cannot verify my credentials. 

Greg Wocher

On Jan 1, 2020, at 1:35 PM, Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@...> wrote:

Thanks!
 
I understand now what have happened…
 
I have changed the link gave by Filezilla…
 
Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.
 
De: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Em Nome De Brian Vogel
Enviada: quarta-feira, 1 de janeiro de 2020 17:17
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] Vocalizer expressive driver question
 
On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 10:26 AM, Rui Fontes wrote:
Very strange!
Rui,

        You've probably gotten two messages regarding my having edited your initial post, but that still wouldn't have explained the strangeness.  In the original, for some reason, the opening "ht" in your full link was not part of the link, and the remainder resolved to this:

                    ftp://tiflo@.../home/tiflo/html/Instal/vocalizer_expressive_driver-3.1.0.nvda-addon

which does demand login.  The link you intended:

                    https://www.tiflotecnia.net/Instal/vocalizer_expressive_driver-3.1.0.nvda-addon

does precisely what you said and thought it would.  Heaven only knows how that original bit came to pass, but I thought you would appreciate knowing exactly what had occurred.
 
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Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in and out of favor. 
         ~ Robert Frost, The Black Cottage (1914)

 

 


Re: Finding text in an email

Antony Stone
 

My recommendation is to turn off HTML mode.

That not only disables pointless graphics, but also avoids quite a number of
malware and phishing attempts.

I can't tell you how to do this in Outlook 2019 specifically (maybe someone
else here can), but it might give you a good pointer for what to look for in
the menus.

PS: On this topic, *please* can people on this list avoid sending HTML-only
(rather than either text-only or mixed text+HTML) emails? Plenty of people
disable HTML emails by default, and especially on this list, I don't see any
good reason for sending such emails. Thanks in advance :)


Antony.

On Wednesday 01 January 2020 at 20:39:09, Janet Brandly wrote:

Hello all,



Many emails I get contain logos and other types of graphics. I'm using
Outlook 2019. Is there an NVDA key command to bypass the graphics and
navigate directly to the text? The "read all" command does not work
reliably.



Thanks,

Jan


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Finding text in an email

Janet Brandly
 

Hello all,

 

Many emails I get contain logos and other types of graphics. I’m using Outlook 2019. Is there an NVDA key command to bypass the graphics and navigate directly to the text? The “read all” command does not work reliably.

 

Thanks,

Jan  

Re: Vocalizer expressive driver question

Rui Fontes
 

Thanks!

 

I understand now what have happened…

 

I have changed the link gave by Filezilla…

 

Rui Fontes

Tiflotecnia, Lda.

 

De: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Em Nome De Brian Vogel
Enviada: quarta-feira, 1 de janeiro de 2020 17:17
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] Vocalizer expressive driver question

 

On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 10:26 AM, Rui Fontes wrote:

Very strange!

Rui,

        You've probably gotten two messages regarding my having edited your initial post, but that still wouldn't have explained the strangeness.  In the original, for some reason, the opening "ht" in your full link was not part of the link, and the remainder resolved to this:

                    ftp://tiflo@.../home/tiflo/html/Instal/vocalizer_expressive_driver-3.1.0.nvda-addon

which does demand login.  The link you intended:

                    https://www.tiflotecnia.net/Instal/vocalizer_expressive_driver-3.1.0.nvda-addon

does precisely what you said and thought it would.  Heaven only knows how that original bit came to pass, but I thought you would appreciate knowing exactly what had occurred.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in and out of favor.

         ~ Robert Frost, The Black Cottage (1914)

 

 

locked Re: NVDA remote

 

Topic Locked.
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Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in and out of favor.

         ~ Robert Frost, The Black Cottage (1914)

 

 

locked Re: NVDA remote

 

Hello NVDA community,
Like many of you, it pains me to see no short-term solution in sight for NVDA Remote, an add-on that is crucial to many. Let me take a moment to address a few things that has arisen about this add-on and the subsequent discussion:
1. Is Remote add-on supported in NVDA 2019.3: The short answer is "no". For practical purposes, it won't work. The "real" answer is that it'll take a while for add-on source code to be refactored - not only to work with Python 3, but because it patches NVDA in a way that makes it hard to write workarounds. If NVDA 2019.3 only came with Python 3 code, it would have been easier to write a short workaround and publish it to the community (I would have asked permission from add-on authors to release a patch). However, NVDA 2019.3 is more than just a Python 3 release - it includes a host of changes, some of which are backwards incompatible to a point where several add-ons in addition to Remote are affected (mostly dealing with speech related changes). For these reasons, it took add-ons community a while to get add-ons ready for 2019.3 (not only modifying source code, but testing to make sure add-ons are working as advertised in old and new NVDA releases). And given the massive scale of changes in NVDA 2019.3, future updates for many add-ons will not be compatible with older NVDA releases.
2. What did Remote add-on authors say: late last year, one of the developers of NVDA Remote add-on did contact NV Access, requesting help in preparing Remote add-on for NVDA 2019.3. In short, the community effort to raise concerns about the add-on did have an impact. This does not mean our journey is over - the issue has become more urgent, seeing that stable version of NVDA 2019.3 is not far away and Python 2 is dead (yes, dead).
3. Contacting Remote add-on authors: as Robert put it (although forcefully, I think), the best communication channel is contacting authors directly. I know that people will continue to ask about status of Remote add-on, and unless the situation changes, the best advice you can give is directing people to contact authors.
4. Perceived rudeness of Robert's plea: on one hand, Robert did the right thing by asking people to talk to add-on developers. On the other hand, his style was perceived as rude. I think a number of factors may have influenced his tone: frustration with people not taking community advice (although I would say that people did contact authors directly, including myself), tendency for repetitions (happens in forums like this, which is understandable), and to highlight urgency of this matter (again, the issue of Remote add-on is something add-ons community and NV Access are keeping an eye on). However, let me make one thing clear: just because today is New Year's Day should NOT be reason to label someone as "rude" when livelihoods of tens of hundreds of people are at stake without ability to use Remote add-on for various tasks; to me, that's "masking the reality" - creating a celebratory mood just to get away from the issue at hand, and let me tell you: this tactic won't last long. Nor should we forget that people interpret our writing styles differently - people have different notions of "rudeness" and "urgency".

In regards to all this, although I have some reservations about Robert's tone, I'm in agreement with his overall argument. To paraphrase Robert's intended message in a way that might be helpful to some:
At this time, the best way is contacting authors unless the situation changes.

As an add-ons community representative, I'm going to keep an eye on this thread for a while - not because of the arguments made, but to monitor the emotional climate that has resulted from it.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Hareth
Sent: Wednesday, January 1, 2020 9:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA remote

Brian,
Being correct or not, never justifies being rude to each other.
No matter how we try to re phrase it.
TC

On 1/1/20, Brian Vogel <@britechguy> wrote:
Regardless of how indelicately Mr. Kingett may have been, he is correct.
When there are issues with add-ons it is the add-on developers who
must fix them. And this doesn't apply only to NVDA add-ons, either.
Whoever created or is maintaining a given piece of code is the
person/entity that should be contacted when there are issues with it.

If an add-on has been abandoned, and by all appearances this one has
by its original developers, there should be a procedure whereby it can
either be picked up by others or integrated into NVDA itself.

But until or unless someone else does pick it up, or it's slated to be
integrated into core NVDA functionality, it's the original developers
who are responsible for its maintenance.

--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in
and out of favor.

~ Robert Frost, The Black Cottage (1914)



locked Re: NVDA remote

Arlene
 

Hi Mark, Yes, I agree with that poster who said don’t be afraid to ask questions on list.  I myself have said things out of line on here witch I shouldn’t have said.  Whoever was rude might be going through issues of his or her own.  That gives no reason to write rude posts.  I know we all have disagreements on here. If we are going to post them. We all should be careful what we post.  I have to do the same thing.  In any event. Let’s have a happy Janury 1 and the rest of the year helping each other and be cheerful.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Hareth
Sent: January 1, 2020 2:07 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA remote

 

Mark,

Please don't let any people's online behavior stops your  posting.

Unfortunately some got it in their heads that they own the whole internet.

and can be as rude as they wish whenever feel like it.

Fortunately we have  PC's and connection as well, and can respond to

rudeness if required.

I feel sorry for them, if they didn't even feel the new year just been started.

Happy new year to all.

 

On 1/1/20, Mark via Groups.Io <marktyler2014@...> wrote:

> Well I will not be asking a question on here again

> Just damb rood

> Mark.

> Sent from Mail for Windows 10

> From: Hareth

> Sent: 01 January 2020 05:45

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA remote

> Robert!

> If you were trying to shout your voice loud. You've failed big-time.

> Cool off man! Its a brand new year.

> On 12/29/19, Robert Kingett <kingettr@...> wrote:

>> And, again, talk, to, the! Developers! Of! The! Add, on! This list only

>> provided a temporary patch. so, again, talk! To! The! Developers! Of!

>> The!

>> Add! on! As of now, there have been no announcements or anything from the

>> developers regarding Python 3 compatibility . I dunno how to say this any

>> clearer. As of now, no. Assume it will not work. But start emailing, the,

>> developers. The developers! The developers, the developers! It won't work

>> until further notice.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

 

 

 

locked Re: NVDA remote

 

OK, it's time to refer people back to the group rules:
---------------
Respectful, even if slightly heated, disagreements will occur occasionally and will be tolerated provided what is described next does not occur.  Flaming, name calling, instigating arguments for their own sake that do nothing to advance anyone’s knowledge, pointed rudeness, and similar boorish behavior will not be tolerated.  If at any point one of you happens upon a message anywhere in the NVDA Group sphere, main or chat, that fits the preceding description then please report it to the group owner either via e-mail at, nvda+owner@nvda.groups.io, or, if you read via the web interface at https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/topics, then use the Report this message option that’s a part of the More button at the end of each message.  Please don’t add a protest message the topic.  If we receive a report and agree with it, the issue will be taken care of promptly.
-----------------

The reason for that being included is that topics that become about someone being rude and circling around that do nothing to advance group goals and, to be perfectly frank, are tiresome.  This is all the more so when someone has become frustrated about the same topic, and NVDA Remote and its possible demise is one of them, keeps coming up again and again and the answer does not really change, and it hasn't in this case.

Every once in a while someone will be rude.  It happens.  Etiquette lectures are not on-topic for this group.

If you think an offense is serious enough to warrant intervention, then please report it.  Reporting it does not necessarily mean that the group owner nor myself will agree, but there will be times we do, and will address the issue, most likely via private message.  If it's run of the mill vituperation, which occurs between adults, then please just let it go or take it up via private message, not on the group.

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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in and out of favor.

         ~ Robert Frost, The Black Cottage (1914)

 

 

locked Re: NVDA remote

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I agree. There’s no excuse for rudeness whether a person is correct or not.

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Hareth
Sent: Wednesday, January 1, 2020 9:29 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA remote

 

Brian,

Being correct or not, never justifies being rude to each other.

No matter how we try to re phrase it.

TC

 

On 1/1/20, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

> Regardless of how indelicately Mr. Kingett may have been, he is correct.

> When there are issues with add-ons it is the add-on developers who must fix

> them.  And this doesn't apply only to NVDA add-ons, either.  Whoever created

> or is maintaining a given piece of code is the person/entity that should be

> contacted when there are issues with it.

> If an add-on has been abandoned, and by all appearances this one has by its

> original developers, there should be a procedure whereby it can either be

> picked up by others or integrated into NVDA itself.

> But until or unless someone else does pick it up, or it's slated to be

> integrated into core NVDA functionality, it's the original developers who

> are responsible for its maintenance.

> --

> Brian *-* Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

> Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in and out

> of favor.

> ~ Robert Frost, The Black Cottage (1914)

>

 

 

 

locked Re: NVDA remote

 

On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 12:29 PM, Hareth wrote:
Being correct or not, never justifies being rude to each other
It certainly doesn't.  Physician, heal thyself.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in and out of favor.

         ~ Robert Frost, The Black Cottage (1914)

 

 

locked Re: NVDA remote

Hareth
 

Brian,
Being correct or not, never justifies being rude to each other.
No matter how we try to re phrase it.
TC

On 1/1/20, Brian Vogel <@britechguy> wrote:
Regardless of how indelicately Mr. Kingett may have been, he is correct.
When there are issues with add-ons it is the add-on developers who must fix
them.  And this doesn't apply only to NVDA add-ons, either.  Whoever created
or is maintaining a given piece of code is the person/entity that should be
contacted when there are issues with it.

If an add-on has been abandoned, and by all appearances this one has by its
original developers, there should be a procedure whereby it can either be
picked up by others or integrated into NVDA itself.

But until or unless someone else does pick it up, or it's slated to be
integrated into core NVDA functionality, it's the original developers who
are responsible for its maintenance.

--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in and out
of favor.

~ Robert Frost, The Black Cottage (1914)



locked Re: NVDA remote

 

By the way, the main page for the NVDA Remote Add-on clearly indicates it is open-source, meaning the source code is available for anyone who is capable to pick up and update.  That's the whole idea behind the open-source movement.

Its Source Code page states: "The NVDA Remote Access add-on is fully free and open source. You can download the source code, make modifications to it, and submit pull requests to have your modifications considered for inclusion in the add-on itself. You are also free to fork the add-on for your own use. The source code is available at https://github.com/NVDARemote/NVDARemote"

If push came to shove the project could be forked to a new one using the existing code base.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in and out of favor.

         ~ Robert Frost, The Black Cottage (1914)

 

 

locked Re: NVDA remote

 

Regardless of how indelicately Mr. Kingett may have been, he is correct.  When there are issues with add-ons it is the add-on developers who must fix them.  And this doesn't apply only to NVDA add-ons, either.  Whoever created or is maintaining a given piece of code is the person/entity that should be contacted when there are issues with it.

If an add-on has been abandoned, and by all appearances this one has by its original developers, there should be a procedure whereby it can either be picked up by others or integrated into NVDA itself.

But until or unless someone else does pick it up, or it's slated to be integrated into core NVDA functionality, it's the original developers who are responsible for its maintenance.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in and out of favor.

         ~ Robert Frost, The Black Cottage (1914)

 

 

Re: Vocalizer expressive driver question

 

On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 10:26 AM, Rui Fontes wrote:
Very strange!
Rui,

        You've probably gotten two messages regarding my having edited your initial post, but that still wouldn't have explained the strangeness.  In the original, for some reason, the opening "ht" in your full link was not part of the link, and the remainder resolved to this:

                    ftp://tiflo@.../home/tiflo/html/Instal/vocalizer_expressive_driver-3.1.0.nvda-addon

which does demand login.  The link you intended:

                    https://www.tiflotecnia.net/Instal/vocalizer_expressive_driver-3.1.0.nvda-addon

does precisely what you said and thought it would.  Heaven only knows how that original bit came to pass, but I thought you would appreciate knowing exactly what had occurred.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in and out of favor.

         ~ Robert Frost, The Black Cottage (1914)

 

 

Re: Nvda ocr addon

molly the blind tech lover
 

Hi.

I think there’s an ocr add-on that you might be able to use with windows 7. Try this link  . . .

https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/ocr.en.html

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rana Ayaz
Sent: Wednesday, January 1, 2020 12:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Nvda ocr addon

 

Thanks for response
But I want to use with window 7 32 bit

 

On Wed, Jan 1, 2020, 9:59 PM molly the blind tech lover <brainardmolly@...> wrote:

Hi.

There’s a Windows 10 ocr. If you go into NVDA’s settings, scroll down to windows 10 ocr, press tab till you get to the recognition language. You can use the up and down arrows   to choose which recognition language you prefer.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rana Ayaz
Sent: Wednesday, January 1, 2020 12:41 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Nvda ocr addon

 

Greetings to all and Happy New year respected members I want to know about NVDA optical character recognition addon
For all languages

Re: Nvda ocr addon

Rana Ayaz
 

Thanks for response
But I want to use with window 7 32 bit


On Wed, Jan 1, 2020, 9:59 PM molly the blind tech lover <brainardmolly@...> wrote:

Hi.

There’s a Windows 10 ocr. If you go into NVDA’s settings, scroll down to windows 10 ocr, press tab till you get to the recognition language. You can use the up and down arrows   to choose which recognition language you prefer.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rana Ayaz
Sent: Wednesday, January 1, 2020 12:41 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Nvda ocr addon

 

Greetings to all and Happy New year respected members I want to know about NVDA optical character recognition addon
For all languages

Re: Nvda ocr addon

molly the blind tech lover
 

Hi.

There’s a Windows 10 ocr. If you go into NVDA’s settings, scroll down to windows 10 ocr, press tab till you get to the recognition language. You can use the up and down arrows   to choose which recognition language you prefer.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rana Ayaz
Sent: Wednesday, January 1, 2020 12:41 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Nvda ocr addon

 

Greetings to all and Happy New year respected members I want to know about NVDA optical character recognition addon
For all languages

Nvda ocr addon

Rana Ayaz
 

Greetings to all and Happy New year respected members I want to know about NVDA optical character recognition addon
For all languages

Re: Vocalizer expressive driver question

Rui Fontes
 

Hello!

 

Very strange!

 

Here is a Dropbox link:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/pi46eab9l3shzrj/vocalizer_expressive_driver-3.1.0.nvda-addon?dl=1

 

Best regards,

 

Rui Fontes

Tiflotecnia, Lda.

 

 

De: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Em Nome De Greg Wocher
Enviada: terça-feira, 31 de dezembro de 2019 19:29
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] Vocalizer expressive driver question

 

Hello,

Still no go. For what ever reason it always takes me to a site with a log in.

 

Greg Wocher

 

On 12/31/2019 11:03 AM, Rui Fontes wrote:

Hello!

 

Try this one:

https://www.tiflotecnia.net/Instal/vocalizer_expressive_driver-3.1.0.nvda-addon

 

Best regards,

 

Rui Fontes

Tiflotecnia, Lda.

 

 

 

De: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Em Nome De Greg Wocher
Enviada: terça-feira, 31 de dezembro de 2019 15:18
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] Vocalizer expressive driver question

 

Hello,

When I try to access this file it is asking for a username and log in. I tried my vocalizer account info and it would not let me in.

 

Greg WOcher     

On 12/30/2019 7:44 AM, Rui Fontes wrote:

Hello!

 

It is not yet published on our webpage, but you can download from:

www.tiflotecnia.net/ftp/vocalizer_expressive_driver-3.1.0.nvda-addon

 

Best regards,

 

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.

Às 11:52 de 30/12/2019, Greg Wocher escreveu:

Hello all,

I have a license for the vocalizer expressive voices from Tiflotecnia. I am running NVDA 2019.3 beta 1. I thought there was suppose to be a new version of the driver that would work with this version of NVDA. However when I go to the website to download the driver it is still the same one I have now that does not work with NVDA 2019.3. When will the new driver be put up to download?

 

Greg Wocher

 

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3. If you have reason to believe your question has likely been asked and answered in the past please search the Group Archive first before asking it again.  Step-by-Step instructions for searching the group archive using the Groups.io search or a web search engine of your choosing: Searching_the_NVDA_Group_Archive.docx.  Please consider using a web search first for questions that have almost certainly been asked frequently and for which myriad answers, often in the form of tutorials, already exist.

4.  Think very carefully about the title you are going to give any topic you post.  The topic is the first (and, sometimes, only) thing a member sees and that may be how they decide if they’re going to look further.   Generic titles, such as “Help Me!,” are not helpful because they give no idea about what.  Compare that to something like, “NVDA not reading Excel cell contents,” or, “NVDA setting for pronouncing numbers,” where the exact issue where help is needed is front and center.   Even something like, “Need help with the following . . .,” lets the reader know that you are going to present a list of issues.

5.  Please avoid, “What is the best . . .?,” topics, because what qualifies as “best” is entirely subjective.   Topics of this sort are also always chat topics.  If you know you have specific needs then asking, “What {insert program type here} has the following features . . .,” is much more descriptive.   If you want to know what programs people like for a specific task, asking, “What’s your favorite . . . and why?,” is far more likely to get you the details you want to have.  Notice that none of the above questions ask about whether a program is accessible with NVDA.  If you’re asking something like, “Which {insert program class here} is accessible with NVDA?,” then it’s a main group topic.

6.  Any topic that is not about using NVDA to accomplish a task, or how to control NVDA, belongs in the chat subgroup, not the main group.  All questions about how to use the specific features of a program that you’re using NVDA to access, but not about NVDA itself, belong in the chat subgroup.

 

Respectful, even if slightly heated, disagreements will occur occasionally and will be tolerated provided what is described next does not occur.  Flaming, name calling, instigating arguments for their own sake that do nothing to advance anyone’s knowledge, pointed rudeness, and similar boorish behavior will not be tolerated.  If at any point one of you happens upon a message anywhere in the NVDA Group sphere, main or chat, that fits the preceding description then please report it to the group owner either via e-mail at, nvda+owner@nvda.groups.io, or, if you read via the web interface at https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/topics, then use the Report this message option that’s a part of the More button at the end of each message.  Please don’t add a protest message the topic.  If we receive a report and agree with it, the issue will be taken care of promptly.

 

If you find the amount of traffic from this Group, or any Groups.io group, overwhelming, then please download and read:

Controlling the Messages You Receive via E-Mail from Groups.io (docx)

Controlling the Messages You Receive via E-Mail from Groups.io (PDF)

Each of you has the ability to mute topics that don’t interest you, get digests instead of individual messages, or to set up topic preview for yourself via the Following Only and First Messages Also features used in conjunction with each other.  It is up to you to use those to manage your e-mail as you see fit.  It’s almost certain that there will be plenty of topics on the chat subgroup that will not be of the least interest to you as an individual. Setting up topic preview lets you pick and choose what you want to continue to see, and this function can be used on any Groups.io group.

 

Sincerely,

Nimer Jaber                                     Brian Vogel

 

NVDA Group Owner                      NVDA Group Moderator

 

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