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Re: Firefox Alerts

Gene
 

In my experience, the shortcuts don't all work and what if someone misses hearing it?
 
Gene
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Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox Alerts

Yes but most announce, for me at least that they have keyboard shortcuts, so
I never have to actually go there.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 4:08 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox Alerts


When such announcements are announced, use control l to move to the address
bar.  That is near the part of the Firefox window where such announcements
are made.  I don't recall if you tab or shift tab to get to the controls
regarding the announcement but I think you shift tab one or more times.  You
may see an option and if you alt tab further, or perhaps its before the
option, I don't recall, you may see something like a button to open a menu
regarding the option.  This is a long unaddressed lack in Firefox
accessibility, that focus isn't moved to the announcement field and that
there is no short cut command in NVDA to move focus there.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: kelby carlson
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Firefox Alerts


Hello,


I'm having an issue with Firefox when it announces an alert. It will
anounce the alert and give me several options. But it won't announce any
shortcut keys to activate the options, nor have I found a way to see the
buttons in the alert. Any solution is appreciated.









Re: Outlook 2016 stopped by NVDA

Gary Bowers
 

Try going to the sub-folders by using
Control+Shift+Tab

That should work when Control+Y doesn't work correctly.

Gary in Texas

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 12:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook 2016 stopped by NVDA

Please, please, can someone help me with this problem?

Every day now, NVDA is breaking Outlook 2016 as soon as I try to open a sub folder.
I can send and receive messages in the Inbox without any problem. I can send messages into any subfolder from the Inbox. If I try to go to the subfolder from the Inbox using control -y, Outlook hangs and then the following announcement appears:
Microsoft Outlook has stopped working
A problem caused the program to stop working correctly.
Windows will close the program and notify you if a solution is available.
Close program

After this Outlook closes and I drop back to the desktop.

I am using Office 2016 in Windows 10 - latest update and NVDA 2017.3 - also latest update.

This problem has been happening at random over the past three months, but, lately, has become chronic.

I am very fond of NVA and prefer to use it for everything. I was astonished to find that JAWS 17 was able to operate Outlook without this problem and that is still the case. I am convinced, therefore, that this is a problem caused by NVDA conflicting with something in Outlook.

All suggestions very welcome! This is really frustrating and I cannot find any solution.


All the best,

Cearbhall

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Re: Firefox Alerts

Gene
 

In my experience, the shortcuts don't all work and what if someone misses hearing it?
 
Gene
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Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox Alerts

Yes but most announce, for me at least that they have keyboard shortcuts, so
I never have to actually go there.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 4:08 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox Alerts


When such announcements are announced, use control l to move to the address
bar.  That is near the part of the Firefox window where such announcements
are made.  I don't recall if you tab or shift tab to get to the controls
regarding the announcement but I think you shift tab one or more times.  You
may see an option and if you alt tab further, or perhaps its before the
option, I don't recall, you may see something like a button to open a menu
regarding the option.  This is a long unaddressed lack in Firefox
accessibility, that focus isn't moved to the announcement field and that
there is no short cut command in NVDA to move focus there.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: kelby carlson
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Firefox Alerts


Hello,


I'm having an issue with Firefox when it announces an alert. It will
anounce the alert and give me several options. But it won't announce any
shortcut keys to activate the options, nor have I found a way to see the
buttons in the alert. Any solution is appreciated.









Re: Firefox Alerts

Gene
 

In my experience, the shortcuts don't all work and what if someone misses hearing it?
 
Gene
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Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox Alerts

Yes but most announce, for me at least that they have keyboard shortcuts, so
I never have to actually go there.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 4:08 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox Alerts


When such announcements are announced, use control l to move to the address
bar.  That is near the part of the Firefox window where such announcements
are made.  I don't recall if you tab or shift tab to get to the controls
regarding the announcement but I think you shift tab one or more times.  You
may see an option and if you alt tab further, or perhaps its before the
option, I don't recall, you may see something like a button to open a menu
regarding the option.  This is a long unaddressed lack in Firefox
accessibility, that focus isn't moved to the announcement field and that
there is no short cut command in NVDA to move focus there.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: kelby carlson
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Firefox Alerts


Hello,


I'm having an issue with Firefox when it announces an alert. It will
anounce the alert and give me several options. But it won't announce any
shortcut keys to activate the options, nor have I found a way to see the
buttons in the alert. Any solution is appreciated.









Last working snapshot in next branch for xp

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XP Users the last working snapshot in next branch

https://www.dropbox.com/s/28locjh6czz5sb1/nvda_snapshot_next-14363%2C0092e3d0.exe?dl=1

Note, If you run this, remember its a very untested version of nvda.
You have been warned.
I post this just for those who know what they are doing. I'm not liable for any bricked pcs or any other collateral damage that may result from using it!

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Will NVDA Update effect add-ons?

Fantasy Sports <fantasylife@...>
 

Hello group,

As some of you may know, I spent a long time struggling to get the vocalizer add-ons
to work and activate, as well as getting all the NVDA settings to my liking.

Now I see that NVDA is trying to install an update when I run it.

After I finally got everything to work correctly, I don't want to risk an
update that might change anything.

Is there a way to stop the update reminders, or do you think I should just
go ahead and do the update?

Thanks for the advice.


Re: Adobe Digital

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

It's a zip file, you'd open it the same way you'd open any zip file on your machine.

As for marking text, that is a function of the epub reader, not the epub format itself.  A web browser allows highlighting of text, in which case you could just copy it to a notes file or something similar, but no, reading it on the borwser isn't going to give you features that don't exist in the browser, it's simply a web page, nothing more nothing less.

Like I said, reading with a browser may not work for you, and that's fine, it's just another option for folks that don't have epub readers, or (like me) haven't found one they like.

On 8/31/2017 11:01 AM, MAYANK SHARMA wrote:
Hi.

it's useful to know. Going through some previous mails I did learn
that this format is files zipped together. But how do you unsip or
extract them to be able to use it.

It's still handy. for me, to have a software that opens Epub directly.
except the work around marking specific text to go back to, it seems
accessible.

If I open it in my browser, do I have an option of creating bookmarks?
Could be a generic question but I don't know of a way yet so I can go
back to text I last read, or highlight certain portions to go back to
if I need to refer to them in a meeting.


Thanks

Cheers
M









On 8/29/17, Travis Siegel <tsiegel@softcon.com> wrote:
Several reasons.

First, it allows me to use my browser of choice, regardless of platform,
which means it doesn't matter if I'm on windows, SX, linux, FreeBSD, or
even dos, (admittedly, I don't use dos very often), so it's a truly
crossplatform solution.

Second, I've never found an epub reader I liked.

It's a lot easier for me to change a number in the address bar of my
browser to move through the pages/chapters than it is to hunt around on
some inaccessible interface, trying to find the previous and next links.

Of course, this goes back to the whole I've never found an epub reader I
like. Most of the ones I've tried were completely inaccessible, and
those that worked didn't work the way I thought they should. I actually
wrote my own epub reader (based on a slimmed down version of a web
browser on OSX), but that code doesn't translate to windows, linux BSD
or other operating systems, so that solution remains only on OSX.

Now, my solution of using a browser doesn't work with encrypted epub
format, and for those you'll have to use some dedicated drm capable epub
reader. I tend to avoid drm whenever possible, and if drm is absolutely
100 percent unavoidable, I generally choose kindle format, since the
kindle reader on the iphone is completely accessible and usable.
Failing that, I opt for pdf, because it's possible to solve that problem
easier than other formats. But, mainly the reason I read epub books
with my browser is because it's the fastest and simplest method for me,
and it's cross platform, which is important to me. As I said, your
mileage may vary. Most folks don't care about whether their epub reader
works on multiple platforms, and even more folks aren't even aware it's
possible to read epub books with anything except 1 or 2 programs, and
personally, I'm all about choice. I think the more options someone has
to accomplish something, the better off said person is. So, by letting
folks know that epub is (generally) just html files that work just fine
in your browser, I offer another solution for folks to read epub formats
for themselves if something happens and their current method stops working.



On 8/29/2017 1:36 PM, James AUSTIN wrote:
Please forgive my question. An interesting approach, but why?


On 29/08/2017 02:21, Travis Siegel wrote:
I don't use anything for epub ebooks except my web browser. An epub
file is just a zip file that has all the content of the book
compressed into a single file. Simply unzip it, then find the
directory with the book files in it(they'll be either html or xml
files), then just open each one with your browser. It's not as nice
as an epub reader, because it lacks the previous and next
chapter/page links an epub reader will have, but it works for me, and
is actually my preferred method for reading epub books. Your mileage
may vary.



On 8/28/2017 12:20 PM, MAYANK SHARMA wrote:
Hi all,

I'm reading an epub file using adobe digital 4.5. It's more or less
accessible but a problem I'm currently facing is to do with selecting
text in the book. My purpose is to highlight the text so I can get
back to it later for a reference. Is there a better way to do so?
Right now I'm not able to select the text so I can highlight, or
perhaps add notes which I haven't yet tried.

I've been reading Epub files on and off using this program, and have
just gone through the help file.

Hope someone figures out what I'm doing wrong.

Thanks.

Cheers,
Mayank











Re: what is the last next version of NVDA to support windows XP?

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No he means nvda_snapshot_next-14363,0092e3d0.exe

The one before the new code was pushed to that branch.
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From: "Arlene" <nedster66@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 6:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] what is the last next version of NVDA to support windows XP?


Hi, it's in the announcements message. You can use 1703 for xp and other
older versions of windows. The next update wont support them.

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Stephen
Sent: August-30-17 11:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] what is the last next version of NVDA to support windows XP?

Hi there.
What is the last version of next NVDA to support NVDA and can I still
download it?
Thanks.






Re: service pack one

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Not a question we can answer. i suspect like office it will be a continuously evolving system, until they hit the buffers with hardware again. At some point we will all have a different concept to grasp. I'm hoping to be long gone by then.

Anyway, I've posted far too much like everyone else on here today. it would be nenice to see some new reply from Mick who I take it is now in the hot seat with the imminent departure of Jamie.

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From: "Arlene" <nedster66@gmail.com>
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Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 6:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] service pack one


Well then we're fine for now. Will there be anymore versions of windows? Or
is ten the last update?



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Peter
Beasley
Sent: August-31-17 2:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] service pack one



I just checked and I also have it.



From: Arlene <mailto:nedster66@gmail.com>

Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 6:04 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] service pack one



Nevermind. I do have service pack one. I just typed winver and it said I
have it.




Re: Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1

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Dropbox, in my opinion is far superior to One drive or Google drive in the simple way it works. I use it to update a remote web site via my web provider. Even a trained chimp could do it!

However I fear that cloud storage will soon start to be charged for as the free gravy train needs some new investment to make up for lost advert revenue!
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From: "Lino Morales" <linomorales001@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 6:29 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1


I agree with Gean except ofr your observation on Dropbox's site. Ive had
no problems with it. I'm considering ditching my free account anyway due
to that fact 1 Drive is part of WIN 10. I don't see the need to have 2
file sharing services.


On 8/31/2017 10:59 AM, Gene wrote:
nasrin
It wasn't that browse mode wouldn't run. there has been a long
standing problem that, if NVDA freezes and runs again, or if you
unload and reload and rerun NVDA when a browser is opened, browse mode
won't be available. This necessitates closing and opening the browser
again, which can be annoying. The developers want to correct this
problem but continued support for XP makes it much harder to do. And,
as you see, there are many other reasons to discontinue support. One
significant program that no longer runs in XP is Drop Box, which
wasn't mentioned in Antony's comments. The Drop Box site isn't fully
accessible and its design makes it very inefficient to work with using
a browser. For many users that's a very important issue. And at some
point, I don't know when, antimalware designers will drop support for
XP. Fortunately, many haven't done so yet and may not as a public
service for quite some time, but it will happen at some point.
Modern peripherals, printers, scanners, perhaps external sound cards,
and I would think others I haven't thought of, no longer support XP.
You have to use old ones, which are going to become increasingly hard
to find over time in the used market and increasingly less reliable as
they age. You will still be able to use the current version of XP
which is very capable and which will meett many peoples' needs who use
XP well or reasonably well for quite some time. And I recall you
saying you didn't intend to upgrade from 17.2 ever because its so
wonderful. So why do you say this is such bad news for you? You don't
even intend to use the latest available version.
Gene
----- Original message -----
*From:* Antony Stone <mailto:antony.stone@nvda.open.source.it>
*Sent:* Thursday, August 31, 2017 6:50 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last
version to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2
service pack 1

Yes, this means that NVDA 2017.3 is the last version which will run under
Windows XP.

The browse mode problem is not the only reason for NV Access deciding
to stop
putting effort into making NVDA compatible with an operating system
which ended
mainstream support from Microsoft in 2009 and extended support in 2014.

Microsoft no longer supports Windows XP, and plenty of current
software will
not run under Windows XP. Firefox support for XP stopped at version
52 (March
2017) for example.

It is a significant security risk to continue using Windows XP.

If you do want to continue using XP, NVDA 2017.3 will continue to run
and will
continue to be available if people want to reinstall it, but higher
versions
of NVDA will require features which are only present in later versions of
Windows.

NVDA is open source software, so if enough people think an XP version
should
continue to be developed there is nothing to stop anyone from pursuing
this as
a forked project, but I personally think it is better for the core
developers
to focus their efforts on writing for supported operating systems and
current
machines than being held back by being limited to what XP can do.


Regards,


Antony.

On Thursday 31 August 2017 at 13:34:08, nasrin khaksar wrote:

hi joseph.
its a very very bad news for me.
do you mean that nvda 2017.3 is the last version that xp users can use?
i realy cant understand why continue support of xp, may cause browse
mode not available for people who use firefox!
can you explane me about this?
but please explane me in simple sentences that i can easy understand.
thanks so much.

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<mailto:bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io>> wrote:
Well I'm going to have to keep my clunkers on xp, since they are too
slow, but basically the current version of nvda is now very capable
indeed so its

not such a loss. I'll probably get thae last master or next snap that
will still work and stop updates there.

Brian

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Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 9:37 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last
version

to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service
pack 1

Oh well, I guess I'll have to upgrade to w7 fully now.
It was fun while it lasted.
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Re: Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1

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As long as they are not windows 10S machines.
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From: "David Tanner" <david.tanner100@gmail.com>
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Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 6:25 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1


I have seen windows 10 computers in the last two weeks for Lestin $200.

David Tanner

From my iPhone 7

On Aug 31, 2017, at 12:17 PM, Don H <lmddh50@adams.net> wrote:

I fully understand why old operating systems can't be supported for ever. You do have to keep in mind that some people can't afford to purchase new or newer computers which can run newer operating systems. In many if not most situations if you are still running XP that computer is probably not capable of running Win 10 so a free upgrade to Win 10 doesn't help. So either you have to start saving what you can to upgrade to a newer computer or just stay with the older versions of NVDA and hope your old XP machine keeps on working..

On 8/31/2017 12:11 PM, David Tanner wrote:
You can get windows 10 for free from Microsoft if your visually impaired. Why not do that instead of getting and 10-year-old operating system and then expecting the developer to keep supporting it for thousands of dollars more to their expense then you getting a free windows 10 and staying up-to-date.

David Tanner

From my iPhone 7
On Aug 31, 2017, at 3:37 AM, Stephen <whocrazy@internode.on.net> wrote:

Oh well, I guess I'll have to upgrade to w7 fully now.
It was fun while it lasted.





Re: Outlook 2016 stopped by NVDA

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Jack,

Do you happen to know the GitHub reference to this problem from earlier sources? I would like to add my issue to the list.

All the best,

Cearbhall

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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jacques Stassen
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 7:31 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook 2016 stopped by NVDA

This occasionally happens to me too, on an i7 machine on Windows 10 Pro.
In my case it's Office 365, which, at this point, effectively is Office 2016. I have the shark installed on this system too and have not been able to reproduce the same behaviour with the alternative screen reader.
I believe there have been sufficient reports on this with regard to NVDA to make it a point of concern. As stated numerous times, also on my website, I am a staunch user of NVDA, but believe some basic inconsistent behaviour needs to be addressed at this point.

Jacques

On 31/08/2017 19:13, Cearbhall O'Meadhra wrote:
Please, please, can someone help me with this problem?

Every day now, NVDA is breaking Outlook 2016 as soon as I try to open a sub folder.
I can send and receive messages in the Inbox without any problem. I can send messages into any subfolder from the Inbox. If I try to go to the subfolder from the Inbox using control -y, Outlook hangs and then the following announcement appears:
Microsoft Outlook has stopped working
A problem caused the program to stop working correctly.
Windows will close the program and notify you if a solution is
available.
Close program

After this Outlook closes and I drop back to the desktop.

I am using Office 2016 in Windows 10 - latest update and NVDA 2017.3 - also latest update.

This problem has been happening at random over the past three months, but, lately, has become chronic.

I am very fond of NVA and prefer to use it for everything. I was astonished to find that JAWS 17 was able to operate Outlook without this problem and that is still the case. I am convinced, therefore, that this is a problem caused by NVDA conflicting with something in Outlook.

All suggestions very welcome! This is really frustrating and I cannot find any solution.


All the best,

Cearbhall

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cearbhall.omeadhra@blbc.ie







Re: Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1

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Depends where you live I'd imagine. Most of the recycled ones are very very cheap.
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Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 6:23 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1


And you could probably buy a brand new windows 10 computer many computer discount stores for less thing you'll pay for a windows seven computer with a nine-year-old operating system.

David Tanner

From my iPhone 7

On Aug 31, 2017, at 12:20 PM, Lino Morales <linomorales001@gmail.com> wrote:

I saw a few WIN 7 PC's for sale at Newegg and Amazon. It still can be bought.


On 8/31/2017 1:14 PM, Arlene wrote:
If you can do it. You'd have to go to a place where they have refurbished 7
systems. Or you can get a windows ten computer straight from the store.
You'd be better off to do that. If you get win 7. You need the service pack
one if you want NVDA Updates.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David
Tanner
Sent: August-31-17 10:11 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version
to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1

You can get windows 10 for free from Microsoft if your visually impaired.
Why not do that instead of getting and 10-year-old operating system and then
expecting the developer to keep supporting it for thousands of dollars more
to their expense then you getting a free windows 10 and staying up-to-date.

David Tanner

From my iPhone 7

On Aug 31, 2017, at 3:37 AM, Stephen <whocrazy@internode.on.net> wrote:

Oh well, I guess I'll have to upgrade to w7 fully now.
It was fun while it lasted.








Re: Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1

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There are in the uk many resellers who also have windows 8 on them as well, Andes has been said, if the hardware can run 8 then it can run 10 and in fact you can still get 10 for free if you are a VI. Best be quick though, as I'm not sure for how much longer.
I'm going to buy new for Christmas. Not a really top line machine but something usable. I am using a good machine now. It cost me in 2015 over 800 quid, but the same spec now is half that. Rather like everything else these days its out of date before you leave the shop. You have to just accept it. This is why I'm surprised to hear that even in poor countries they are not giving windows 7 machines away with corn flakes by now.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Lino Morales" <linomorales001@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 6:20 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1


I saw a few WIN 7 PC's for sale at Newegg and Amazon. It still can be bought.


On 8/31/2017 1:14 PM, Arlene wrote:
If you can do it. You'd have to go to a place where they have refurbished 7
systems. Or you can get a windows ten computer straight from the store.
You'd be better off to do that. If you get win 7. You need the service pack
one if you want NVDA Updates.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David
Tanner
Sent: August-31-17 10:11 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version
to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1

You can get windows 10 for free from Microsoft if your visually impaired.
Why not do that instead of getting and 10-year-old operating system and then
expecting the developer to keep supporting it for thousands of dollars more
to their expense then you getting a free windows 10 and staying up-to-date.

David Tanner

From my iPhone 7

On Aug 31, 2017, at 3:37 AM, Stephen <whocrazy@internode.on.net> wrote:

Oh well, I guess I'll have to upgrade to w7 fully now.
It was fun while it lasted.







getting font information from displaytext

Pettyjohn, Chris G. (FTC)
 

Hi,
 Is there a way to get the font information for the text found inside an object?  I am dealing with a custom control grid (tAdvStringGrid).  NVDA does not speak the highlighted row of information as a user navigates the grid with up and down arrows.  When a row is highlighted the text turns from black to white.  Is there a way to pull the font color information for an objects text?  If there is I can find the text that is highlighted.

Chris


Re: Outlook 2016 stopped by NVDA

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Office is fully up to date, Rui! Thanks for the suggestion but it makes no difference. The problem is not with Office nor Windows 10 it is with NVDA. There seems to be some internal element that NVDA is interacting with that does not complete before Outlook times out. NVDA is a different animal from JAWS. The latter does not invade the application in the same way and so does not get entangled in slower processes. I am hoping that someone from the NVDA development team will respond and explain why this is happening and if there are any plans to address it.


All the best,

Cearbhall

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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rui Fontes
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 6:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook 2016 stopped by NVDA

Have you checked by Office updates?

Rui


-----Mensagem Original-----
De: Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Data: 31 de agosto de 2017 18:13
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] Outlook 2016 stopped by NVDA

Please, please, can someone help me with this problem?

Every day now, NVDA is breaking Outlook 2016 as soon as I try to open a sub folder.
I can send and receive messages in the Inbox without any problem. I can send messages into any subfolder from the Inbox. If I try to go to the subfolder from the Inbox using control -y, Outlook hangs and then the following announcement appears:
Microsoft Outlook has stopped working
A problem caused the program to stop working correctly.
Windows will close the program and notify you if a solution is available.
Close program

After this Outlook closes and I drop back to the desktop.

I am using Office 2016 in Windows 10 - latest update and NVDA 2017.3 - also latest update.

This problem has been happening at random over the past three months, but, lately, has become chronic.

I am very fond of NVA and prefer to use it for everything. I was astonished to find that JAWS 17 was able to operate Outlook without this problem and that is still the case. I am convinced, therefore, that this is a problem caused by NVDA conflicting with something in Outlook.

All suggestions very welcome! This is really frustrating and I cannot find any solution.


All the best,

Cearbhall

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Re: Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1

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I have a laptop that says its 64 bit ready, but when i run windows 7 8 and 10 test programs on it it asks me to update the bios. Going on the Dell website it states I cannot do this any more but I can run 32 bit version of 7 if I want to.

None of the other three xp machines can even run this according to the test programs. Mostly due to hardware issues in the chipsets and bios.

Not that I was intending to do this.

I guess we would need to know where the people are who are going to be affected by this and see if anything can be done. However getting more functionality on a limited spec machine is going to be very hard to do
Indeed Most of my old xp machines run slow on complex web pages. OK you can use word XP OK on them, and maybe email, but not a lot else really.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Arlene" <nedster66@gmail.com>
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Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 6:19 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1


Yes, Also the code for browsers use change to keep newer systems going. Also ten year old systems may not be capable of these new codes.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: August-31-17 10:18 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1



I fully understand why old operating systems can't be supported for ever. You do have to keep in mind that some people can't afford to purchase new or newer computers which can run newer operating systems. In many if not most situations if you are still running XP that computer is probably not capable of running Win 10 so a free upgrade to Win 10 doesn't help. So either you have to start saving what you can to upgrade to a newer computer or just stay with the older versions of NVDA and hope your old XP machine keeps on working..



On 8/31/2017 12:11 PM, David Tanner wrote:

You can get windows 10 for free from Microsoft if your visually impaired. Why not do that instead of getting and 10-year-old operating system and then expecting the developer to keep supporting it for thousands of dollars more to their expense then you getting a free windows 10 and staying up-to-date.

David Tanner

From my iPhone 7

On Aug 31, 2017, at 3:37 AM, Stephen <mailto:whocrazy@internode.on.net> <whocrazy@internode.on.net> wrote:

Oh well, I guess I'll have to upgrade to w7 fully now.
It was fun while it lasted.


Re: Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

I've complained before about error boxes that don't go away until clicked, especially ones that occur as a result of an NVDA crash. I even reported one on list, but instead of thinking it should be fixed, most devs just decided it was a perfectly legitimate error message, and didn't need to be addressed at all.  Kind of silly to prevent your screen reader from restarting just because of a message box that requires you to press an ok button instead of going away after a few seconds, which would allow the screen reader to be restarted w/no problem, but each to their own I suppose. <shrug>

On 8/31/2017 5:46 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I did point out to Mick that this has been handled badly, as I seem to have been the first to encounter a complete bricking of an xp machine. Its not so much that I mind it happening myself, as obviously we all see fewer and fewer pieces of software allowing use on XP/Vista, but to me, before the pointer had been moved, it should have been [publicised, Indeed, it would have been best to only move Next.
I wonder if there is perhaps some leeway here?
For example, the last Master to support XP could be made into the last version supporting it via some subtle name change, ie nvda20017.3XP, which would be the very last one for xp and kept separate.
Of course if anyone out there with a significant investment in keeping nvda going on XP etc, wanted to  make special versions, then I'm assuming that would be fine as long as they themselves handled any security and other reliability and translation issues.
Similarly, add ons that will still run on old versions should be flagged. I'm quite happy if pointed at the right links to test things in XP machines.
Of course this also means that the later versions of NVDA will probably not have the switch that allows them to run on old processors that do not have the sse2 instruction set either.
Could I also ask that versions of snaps running on xp, ie if somebody tries to download one that may not work, be made to just display a message?
The current crash may well brick the machine as it kind of locks things up with no speech till you can get rid of the error box.
Spotting this in the loader should be possible???

Just a few ideas.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 5:49 AM
Subject: [nvda] Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1


Dear NVDA community:



If you are using one of the following Windows versions, please read the
following statement from NV Access (just published):



* Windows XP
* Windows Server 2003
* Windows Vista
* Windows Server 2008
* Windows 7 without service pack 1



The announcement link:

https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2017-4-drops-support-for-older-operating-
systems/



Background: for a number of years, NV Access and other developers received
tons of reports about browse mode not being available when you restart NVDA
while using Firefox and some browsers. NV Access wrote a fix for it, but it
used a routine not found in older operating systems (specifically, Windows
XP). Porting the new routine is costly, especially when developers cannot
guarantee that it'll work for everyone. Because the fix impacts many people,
coupled with the support status of the Windows versions listed above,
coupled with the fact that Firefox and some popular programs ended support
for old Windows releases (including some screen readers), NV Access has
decided to end support for old Windows releases with NVDA 2017.3. 2017.3
will still be made available for download for people who need to use old
Windows versions.



Thus, the following advisory from the community is in effect:



* If you are using Windows versions listed above, turn off automatic
NVDA updates (NVDA menu/Preferences/General, then uncheck the update
checkbox).
* For those using some add-ons, read follow-up advisories regarding
support for old Windows releases from add-ons from add-on writers (for those
using add-ons such as Resource Monitor, I will publish an advisory next
week).



Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph




Re: Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1

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its alright now, its been let out of intensive care.

Still have some add ons to reinstall.
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Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 6:15 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1


I agree. This is why I made a big stink on the add-ons list late last night. Its time to move on folks. I agree with with Bryan in the UK. This could have been handled much better. Sorry to hear your XP box got bricked sir, but again its time to move on.


On 8/31/2017 1:11 PM, David Tanner wrote:
You can get windows 10 for free from Microsoft if your visually impaired. Why not do that instead of getting and 10-year-old operating system and then expecting the developer to keep supporting it for thousands of dollars more to their expense then you getting a free windows 10 and staying up-to-date.

David Tanner

From my iPhone 7

On Aug 31, 2017, at 3:37 AM, Stephen <whocrazy@internode.on.net> wrote:

Oh well, I guess I'll have to upgrade to w7 fully now.
It was fun while it lasted.





Re: Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1

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Actually I've yet to encounter any Windows 7 system without sp1. I suspect it was pushed to all machines at some time in the past and most fresh OEM installs done by second user sellers will be like this machine, using sp1.
I suppose my main issue for 10 is that I have yet to find an email client that does what I need on multiple accounts like Outlook Express does. But as long as Mick and co keep the app module in, then I can still use it on 7. 10 is a different thing due to the problems with major updates removing outlook express.

If I could find an email client that did usenet and email with each account in a separate little box so no long tree views with a need to work out which email address to reply from then I'd switch tomorrow, but it seems this does not exist in an accessible form yet.

I fail to understand the ethos of Microsofts email clients since Outlook Express.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Arlene" <nedster66@gmail.com>
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Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 6:14 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1


If you can do it. You'd have to go to a place where they have refurbished 7
systems. Or you can get a windows ten computer straight from the store.
You'd be better off to do that. If you get win 7. You need the service pack
one if you want NVDA Updates.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David
Tanner
Sent: August-31-17 10:11 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version
to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1

You can get windows 10 for free from Microsoft if your visually impaired.
Why not do that instead of getting and 10-year-old operating system and then
expecting the developer to keep supporting it for thousands of dollars more
to their expense then you getting a free windows 10 and staying up-to-date.

David Tanner

From my iPhone 7

On Aug 31, 2017, at 3:37 AM, Stephen <whocrazy@internode.on.net> wrote:

Oh well, I guess I'll have to upgrade to w7 fully now.
It was fun while it lasted.