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trouble with submit buttons on web forms and some web links

ken lawrence
 

Hi NVDA users have posed this question before and got things like you’re not giving enough information. so am going to try this again.  I have noticed with NVDA on certain web based email submition forms like on CD baby submiting a review or on the contact page of a website, I hit submit and it jus just sits there. I hit the space bar, hit enter and even try to focus the mouse button and nothing. it seems to be that NVDA knows that button is there but something maybe imbedded within the button isn’t allowing you to activate it.  similarly on the email when I try to click a link within it to open the browser like let’s say on a kim komando message to read her item, NVDA can’t seem to open the browser. a tipical situation might be like this.  I finish reading my emails in the morning, then I go to facebook to check notifications, then maybe to my trucking sim game and then maybe to NFB newsline all on firefox, the next time I look at my mail I’ll see something that I’ll want to read on the net, but instead of my default browser which is chrome coming up I’ll hear NVDA say HTTP and something about sintax and it will then say internet explorer, address not valid.  IE has nothing to do with it chrome is my default. to fix this I have to reboot.  I have never encountered this with jaws running.  it has done that with windows 7 and with 10 now.  what prevents NVDA from recognizing that chrome should come up not explorer. why does it think Oops no such address when You are clicking a link within an email that should take you to Komando.com for example. it only happens when I come back to my inbox after doing other things.  am running windows 10 anniversary update. creaters is downloaded but I have to get a thumb drive to copy a file over so I can correct the partition issue that is preventing creaters from installing.  there is a corrupted file in one partition and creaters thinks, Oh No, I don’t know if there is enough space on the computer. there is BTW over 500 GB available. I have to get the file that has the repare tools out of that partition, then delete the partition then put the repare/startup tools back in.  microsoft anser desk says that I need a thumb drive to get that file to.  maybe this problem will be fixed with creaters update. 


Re: hot key assignments

Jonathan Milam
 

You'll actually find it in the browse mode category in Input Gestures.

Jonathan

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 3:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] hot key assignments

I don't see NVDA search or find in any of the options under input gestures.

On 6/1/2017 1:35 PM, Jonathan Milam wrote:
Hi Don,

You can, under Input Gestures in Preferences.

Jonathan

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Don H
Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 2:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] hot key assignments

So is there a way in NVDA to reassign a hot key combination for a
standard NVDA hot key? for example changing the NVDA find command of
insert control f to control shift f.






Re: hot key assignments

 

Hi,
Folks, let us never forget that input gestures dialog is context-sensitive.
To Don: find command will show up if you're in a place where you can find text, such as in web browsers. After opening say, a web browser, open input gestures dialog.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 12:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] hot key assignments

I don't see NVDA search or find in any of the options under input gestures.

On 6/1/2017 1:35 PM, Jonathan Milam wrote:
Hi Don,

You can, under Input Gestures in Preferences.

Jonathan

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Don H
Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 2:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] hot key assignments

So is there a way in NVDA to reassign a hot key combination for a
standard NVDA hot key? for example changing the NVDA find command of
insert control f to control shift f.






Re: hot key assignments

Don H
 

I don't see NVDA search or find in any of the options under input gestures.

On 6/1/2017 1:35 PM, Jonathan Milam wrote:
Hi Don,
You can, under Input Gestures in Preferences.
Jonathan
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 2:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] hot key assignments
So is there a way in NVDA to reassign a hot key combination for a standard
NVDA hot key? for example changing the NVDA find command of insert control
f to control shift f.


Re: braille note classic nvda support?

 

Hi,
You cannot use your BrailleNote as a remote synthesizer.
As for using it as a braille display, you would chose 'HumanWare BrailleNote".
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Wolf
Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 11:42 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] braille note classic nvda support?

Hello

what braille display do I choose, and how do I get the speech synth set up with nvda?

it uses keynote sa fore the synth.

I am wanting to use the braille note classic as a external braille display and a external synth.

keep in mind this is a braille note classic from 2003

thanks
Hank

On 6/1/2017 3:05 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Yes it does.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
The Wolf
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 10:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] braille note classic nvda support?

Hello out of curiousity does nvda support the older braille note classics, say from 2003?

I have a brialle note classic that some one gave me and I am wanting
to use it as a external braille display, and possibly a external synth

the synth that is uses is

keynote sa

I have a serial to usb adapter and the proper plugs pluged in to the adapter.

thanks

Hank








Re: moving to NVDA

Kevin Huber
 

Hi:

Of course, by the time you go into the input gestures and make all
those changes, you might just as well have learned the natural NVDA
keystrokes.
Kevin Huber

On 5/31/17, Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@gmail.com> wrote:
If NVDA had a jaws layout addon and a window eyes layout addon then it
would work. or you could go into the input gestures dialog box and
change NVDA keyboard gestures. that's the only way I can think of to do
such changes.






Re: hot key assignments

Kevin Huber
 

Hi Don:

Go to your NVDA menu by pressing insert-n, then press Enter on
prefferences and arrow down to Input Gestures and press the Enter key.
Kevin Huber

On 6/1/17, Don H <lmddh50@comcast.net> wrote:
So is there a way in NVDA to reassign a hot key combination for a
standard NVDA hot key? for example changing the NVDA find command of
insert control f to control shift f.




Re: braille note classic nvda support?

 

Hello

what braille display do I choose, and how do I get the speech synth set up with nvda?

it uses keynote sa fore the synth.

I am wanting to use the braille note classic as a external braille display and a external synth.

keep in mind this is a braille note classic from 2003

thanks
Hank

On 6/1/2017 3:05 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Yes it does.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Wolf
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 10:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] braille note classic nvda support?

Hello out of curiousity does nvda support the older braille note classics, say from 2003?

I have a brialle note classic that some one gave me and I am wanting to use it as a external braille display, and possibly a external synth

the synth that is uses is

keynote sa

I have a serial to usb adapter and the proper plugs pluged in to the adapter.

thanks

Hank







Re: love the new sounds

 

Hello where do I get the motified sounds from? I didn't see the dropbox link, also can I get instruations on how to install the motified sounds?

On 6/1/2017 1:42 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
Did you try my modified versions on a previous message on a dropbox link in this thread. I find them better myself as you can hear them better.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis L" <dennisl1982@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 10:11 PM
Subject: [nvda] love the new sounds


I love the new sounds they should be an option. Give an option to revert to
the old sound scheme for those that want it..



Re: hot key assignments

Jonathan Milam
 

Hi Don,

You can, under Input Gestures in Preferences.

Jonathan

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 2:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] hot key assignments

So is there a way in NVDA to reassign a hot key combination for a standard
NVDA hot key? for example changing the NVDA find command of insert control
f to control shift f.


Re: installing NVDA on a machine with Window-eyes already installed

Kevin Huber
 

Hi Sally:

You definitely don't want them running at the same time because not
only iwill the speech be confusing but the keyboard commands will not
work well because, for instance Window-eyes uses insert-q to announce
your battery status if you are using a laptop, and NVDA uses that same
key combination to close the program, so when they are both running,
insert-q can either perform one action or the other.
Kevin Huber

On 5/31/17, Sally Kiebdaj <fiddle.pup@gmail.com> wrote:
Good morning list,


How much hassle am I asking for if I install NVDA on my laptop before
uninstalling window-eyes? I'm hoping to do a soft transition but want to
avoid software conflicts.


I would never actually run these simultaneously, obviously.


Suggestions welcome.


Thank you!

Sally





hot key assignments

Don H
 

So is there a way in NVDA to reassign a hot key combination for a standard NVDA hot key? for example changing the NVDA find command of insert control f to control shift f.


Re: New nvda sounds

Arlene
 

I like that sound too. I like how you have music when you are installing a new version of NVDA.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: June-01-17 2:03 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New nvda sounds

Well to be honest I do like the piano sound we have now.

However it would be good if nvda could have start and end sfx like schemes in windows and we would have several ones.

For those that are deff it may be hard to hear small sounds.

I can hear the start of nvda a long way away.

And when I am round the house or office I know my system is on the way to being on.



On 1/06/2017 8:44 p.m., Brian's Mail list account wrote:
I'm not sure about the start and end sounds. Too short to detect
rising and lowering pitch in. My versions are a bit longer.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Shook" <chris0309@samobile.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 10:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New nvda sounds


Chris Mullins I just followed your instructions and I like it so much
better.
Thanks.






Re: moving to NVDA

Arlene
 

That would be a great idea! I like how you have changed the voices. Now you have Read on synth 4.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: June-01-17 5:02 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] moving to NVDA

I just had a good idea for NVDA. for those who are new to NVDA it would have a startup wizard with a interactive tutorial and default voice changer that would 1. when you first install it or start the installer wizard it will for those newcomers ask if you want to use the current voice? There would be a yes or no button. If you say no NVDA would bring up a list box with all voices available on the machine, including ability to download microsoft speech platform and one of those voices.
It would also let you choose a keyboard layout in the getting started wizard. So you would choose a voice, hit ok, NVDA would use that one as the default during install and when you first run the installed copy.
and 2. After installation it would have an interactive tutorial like talkback does on android. It would say stuff like lets practice object navigation and screen review. Then it would bring up a sample desktop with 2 or 3 icons, a list box, a checkbox, and a toolbar with some buttons in it and a sample edit box. The interactive tutorial would guide you through moving in and out of objects, using screen review to find certain items on screen, activating objects with insert or capslock enter, and routing the mouse and clicking. Also during the startup wizard it would let you set the rate and pitch and volume and if needed the variant of the current default voice. You could cancel the interactive tutorial by hitting escape at any time and when you complete the tutorial and startup wizard you'd hit finnish button and you're ready to go with the basics of using NVDA. Also during the interactive tutorial it would bring up a read only edit box with web movement commands you could read. I think such a tutorial and startup wizard would really help newcomers. oh and also in the select your default voice dialog it would give you the option of directly downloading and installing several free voices for you and then switching to the newly downloaded free voice.


Re: Moving to NVDA

Gene
 

And that is also my complaint against aggregators and programs that do something for you.  Radio station aggregators are very convenient.  But if someone is learning to use the Internet, they hneed to learn how to do effective searches and using an aggregator before such skills are developed removes what may be an important motivation for learning.  Likewise, programs like Kurzweil and Openbook, with their searches of sites like Book Share built in, remove incentives to practice and learn how to do effective searches on the Internet.  I have nothing against such features per se.  But they shouldn't be taught or used until the person learns how to do what they do using Internet search engines and working with the sites themselves. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 1:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Moving to NVDA

Hi Gene:

I totally agree with you.  Having used all three screen readers and
the office ribbon itself, I find that it is easiest to learn something
new as it is and not dressed up to look like something you are
familiar with.
Kevin Huber



On 5/31/17, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
> On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 10:53 am, Gene wrote:
>
>>
>> I consider the Window-eyes JAWS emulation layout to be a gimmick that
>> actually works against people learning Window-eyes fully since the JAWS
>> emulation doesn't incorporate all the Window-eyes commands.
>
> And I have to concur.
>
> In virtually all cases the "crutches" that are offered are just that:
>  crutches.   I don't like the JAWS virtual ribbon because it stops people
> from learning how to use the Windows ribbon, which is never going away.
>  There are all sorts of these things and they do as much, sometimes more,
> damage than good.
>
> Not having used Window Eyes much I can't speak to what it would be like to
> transition to either JAWS or NVDA, but having done the JAWS to NVDA learning
> myself, and flip-flopping back and forth between the two, both are most
> functional when understood on their own terms.  And what they have in common
> is, in my opinion, far more than what separates them (though some of those
> separating things can come in really, really handy at times on both sides of
> the equation).
>
> --
> Brian  - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063.332
>
> *     * *The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.* *  But
> the opposite of a profound truth may well be another* * profound truth.*
>
> *           ~ * *Niels Bohr*
>



Re: Moving to NVDA

Kevin Huber
 

Hi Gene:

I totally agree with you. Having used all three screen readers and
the office ribbon itself, I find that it is easiest to learn something
new as it is and not dressed up to look like something you are
familiar with.
Kevin Huber

On 5/31/17, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 10:53 am, Gene wrote:


I consider the Window-eyes JAWS emulation layout to be a gimmick that
actually works against people learning Window-eyes fully since the JAWS
emulation doesn't incorporate all the Window-eyes commands.
And I have to concur.

In virtually all cases the "crutches" that are offered are just that:
crutches. I don't like the JAWS virtual ribbon because it stops people
from learning how to use the Windows ribbon, which is never going away.
There are all sorts of these things and they do as much, sometimes more,
damage than good.

Not having used Window Eyes much I can't speak to what it would be like to
transition to either JAWS or NVDA, but having done the JAWS to NVDA learning
myself, and flip-flopping back and forth between the two, both are most
functional when understood on their own terms. And what they have in common
is, in my opinion, far more than what separates them (though some of those
separating things can come in really, really handy at times on both sides of
the equation).

--
Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063.332

* * *The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.* * But
the opposite of a profound truth may well be another* * profound truth.*

* ~ * *Niels Bohr*


Re: Testing espeak NG changes to improve a language

Marco Oros
 

Or, try to post issue on Espeak NG.


Re: entering in passwords

Don H
 

This addon is in the development stage. Are thee addons reviewed by anyone before being made downloadable? I could see this addon as having the potential of being a real security issue if someone wanted to make it so. Just want to understand any checks for security for such things. Not claiming this is a bad addon.

On 6/1/2017 10:55 AM, Tyler Spivey wrote:
Install this:
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/speakPasswords.en.html
There's no toggle, it ties the password speaking to speak characters/words.
On 6/1/2017 7:42 AM, Don H wrote:
One option I would love to see taken from Window Eyes is to have the
option to have passwords spoken normally or with NVDA saying star. I am
a pretty good typist but if I am going to make a mistake it seems to be
when entering passwords with no feedback to what I am entering.
Is there a place where NVDA users formally request future features such
as this?
Thanks



Re: love the new sounds

Kara Goldfinch <kara.louise18@...>
 

Oh, I forgot there was a setting in keyboard preferences.


Kara

On 01/06/2017 16:16, Andre Fisher wrote:
The sounds can be turned off as follows:
Start and Exit sounds: General Settings > Play sounds when starting
and exiting NVDA
Browse and focus mode sounds: Browse mode settings > Audio indication
of focus and browse mode sounds
Text spelling error sound: Keyboard settings > Play sounds for spelling errors
Suggestion sounds will be toggleable in the next release as well.

On 6/1/17, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
I did this much earlier in the development of NVDA where, as I recall, such
options aren't available. I think it's a good idea to have a no sounds
option so that sounds can all be turned on or off in one operation if the
user wishes.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Kara Goldfinch
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 6:17 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] love the new sounds


Gene,

You don't have to do this as there are options to turn off most of them.

In general preferences, there's an option to disable the startup and shut
down sounds.

You can turn off the sound that's played to alert you of a spelling error in
document formatting, but keep in mind that this will turn off spelling error
detection completely.

Finally you can replace the browse and focus mode sounds with speech prompts
by going into browse mode options.

Kara











On 01/06/2017 11:43, Gene wrote:


I cause all sounds not to be played, if necessary by inserting very short
blank wave files in the sounds folder. I see no reason for any sounds and I
think there should be some sort of all off setting for those who don't want
any. Aside from that, my question is, why do the new sounds have to be odd
and novel, seemingly just different for differences' sake. Why does one of
the settings in the browse mode/focus mode notification have to sound like a
frog clearing its throat and the other be an odd chord? Why do the start
and unload sounds have to be odd chords whose main purpose aside from the
intended one seems to be to call attention to their oddness. I'm not saying
I like the newer or the older sounds more. As I said, I don't like sounds
in general. but what I'm saying is, maybe the whole idea of why sounds
sound as they do should be reconsidered. Maybe a pleasant chord sounding
like a synthesizer imitating a string instrument playing a major chord
should signify browse mode while a very different sound, maybe a stream
flowing or the musical instrument that sounds like water flowing could be
used for focus mode, or if something more assertive is wanted, the sound of
a trumpet playing a note.

I'm not advocating for these specific sounds. I'm saying that just odd
sounding novelty for the sake of odd sounding novelty is not a proper basis
on which to define sounds, in my opinion.

Why isn't there a feature for the user to define sounds. It might take
sounds from the Windows sounds folder and the user could choose, along with
whatever sounds have been selected for the program to use that are original
NVDA sounds.

And I'll point out that Microsoft has a none option for events in Windows
and a no sounds provile already available as well.
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Clare Page
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 5:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] love the new sounds


Hi!

After downloading the next snapshot with the new sounds in it, I am
currently trying them out, having copied those sounds into the Waves folder
of my installed copy of NVDA, as the sounds are the only new thing I want to
test right now.

I must say,I agree with Dennis’s opinion below, on both counts.

Much as I personally prefer the new sounds, which are not as loud as the
old ones, I agree that there should be the choice of which set of sounds we
use with NVDA, even if that means adding an extra dialogue to choose them,
or an extra section in the NVDA preferences. I don’t know whether this can
be done, that’s for the developers to decide of course.

That’s my two cents worth on this subject, but I know we don’t all share
the same opinion, that’s all the more reason to allow us to choose which set
of sounds we want if possible while using NVDA.

Bye for now!

From Clare



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis
L
Sent: mercredi 31 mai 2017 23:12
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] love the new sounds



I love the new sounds they should be an option. Give an option to revert
to the old sound scheme for those that want it..




Re: entering in passwords

Tyler Spivey
 

Install this:
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/speakPasswords.en.html
There's no toggle, it ties the password speaking to speak characters/words.

On 6/1/2017 7:42 AM, Don H wrote:
One option I would love to see taken from Window Eyes is to have the
option to have passwords spoken normally or with NVDA saying star. I am
a pretty good typist but if I am going to make a mistake it seems to be
when entering passwords with no feedback to what I am entering.
Is there a place where NVDA users formally request future features such
as this?
Thanks