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Re: Office 2003 with NVDA 2017.2

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I notice no issues even with auto switching on, so it has probably got also to do with what is being used to display the message. I'm using Outlook express tweaked for windows 7.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Tyler Spivey" <tspivey@pcdesk.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 7:14 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Office 2003 with NVDA 2017.2


His message is in English, but the language is set to Danish, so
automatic language switching tries to read it in Danish.

There are two ways to get around this:
1. Turn off automatic language switching in NVDA's Voice Settings
dialog. Disabling that will keep the synthesizer in one language, with
the disadvantage that it won't automatically switch for you if you have
a properly marked up document in multiple languages.
2. Switch to a synthesizer that can't switch languages.

On 5/31/2017 10:33 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, Peter,


I can't read this message. It sounds like it's either in another
language or gibberish. I tried both in outlook and thunderbird and the
same thing. Could it be the encoding? I'm not sure what to make of

it.

Rosemarie
On 5/31/2017 2:33 PM, Peter Beasley wrote:
A friend of mine uses Office 2003 and said that it doesn’t work with
the latest version of NVDA, so he has gone back to the previous version.

*From:* Daniel Gartmann <mailto:lists@danielgartmann.dk>
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 31, 2017 6:09 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* [nvda] Office 2003 with NVDA 2017.2




Hi,



Anybody out there using NVDA with Office 2003?



I have a report from one of our users saying that Outlook 2003 freezes
when opening a message. Sorry but at the moment no time available for
gathering logs.



Our solution for now is to reinstall 2017.1 and switch off automatic
updates.



Thanks in advance for your feedback.



Daniel





Re: New nvda sounds

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Me too, laggy and , well weird!
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Arlene" <nedster66@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 3:21 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New nvda sounds


Oh golly! Did you have to curse? I hated system access! My computer gagged
and spat it out as though it ate a food it did not like! I was glad to have
rid of it! It would not let me instal the free version when I wanted to try
the free trial. I tried this before a friend gave me his key. Even with my
friend's key it would not instal properly. My computer gagged and spat it
out!



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Michael
Capelle
Sent: May-31-17 4:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New nvda sounds



hell no, satogo and system access are still running strong.



From: The Wolf <mailto:hank.smith966@gmail.com>

Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 5:41 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] New nvda sounds



I thought system access died?



On 5/31/2017 3:28 PM, Gene wrote:

There already is a choice for verbal notification. It should be verbal
notification by default.



System Access doesn't have a forms and browse mode because it is designed
somehow to allow the page to be changed such as in edit fields and to allow
browsing at the same time. However, this imposes limitations on what you
can do. I haven't used System Access to Go hardly at all for a long time
but I recall coming across occasions where I wanted to do something I
couldn't do because I couldn't switch between browse and forms mode.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Chris Shook <mailto:chris0309@samobile.net>

Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 4:05 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] New nvda sounds



A verbal prompt that brouse mode was on would be good. So long as
there is some sort of indication that brouse mode is on, I don't see a
problem with getting rid of sounds.
System Access doesn't have a brouse mode at all. You simply go to the
website go to the edit field you want and type. It used to allow you to
type in any edit field. It doesn't work with Google anymore.
Regardless, it's an idea for the NVDA developers.








Re: New nvda sounds

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I think its down to permissions of access for the account in use at the time so might be more complicated than you imagine it is.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Kwork" <istherelife@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 2:09 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New nvda sounds


I absolutely agree. Most portable programs do create their own folder. NVDA does not. I installed a portable version at one time in a main folder assuming NVDA would create its own. Big mistake. I had to go in manually and figure out which files and folders belonged to NVDA, and which ones were there already. Learned an unnecessary, in my opinion, lesson.
Travis
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 1:15 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New nvda sounds


Run the installer. Tab through the dialog and you will see that you mustg accept the license agreement. The next dialog gives you choices such as install, make portable version and continue running. Create a portable version. Don't designate a folder with any other files in it. The portable creator doesn't place the files in a folder of its own. It will place the files directly in a folder you specify. I had thought about commenting on this in the past but I didn't. But NVDA should, in my opinion, create a folder when creating a portable version. I had believed it would and so I designated a folder at one time and had the NVDA files placed in a folder with lots of other files. Just as zip programs create a folder when unzipping, so, I think, should NVDA.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Dennis L
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 1:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New nvda sounds


I am not sure how to install it as a portable could someone email me the
sounds

Dennisl1982@gmail.com
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jacob
Kruger
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 2:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New nvda sounds

Dennis, download the NVDA decelopment snapshot, install it to something like
a portable installation location, and then go copy the sound clips from the
./waves folder into your current installation's ./waves folder.


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
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Skype: BlindZA
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On 2017-05-31 19:01, Dennis L wrote:
How can we get these new sounds now is there a way?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Jacob Kruger
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 9:39 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New nvda sounds

Brian, I was feeling the same way - I actually prefer the old, 'classic'
sounds myself.


Jacob Kruger
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On 2017-05-31 13:19, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
I notice in the next branch of snaps, we are being given new start
and end sounds and new edit and browse mode sounds. I have issues
with some of these myself, but wanted to flag these up here for a a
wider audience to try and perhaps feed back on on the devel list.
My main issue is the quietness of the edit mode and the similarity of
the start and stop ones for nvda.


However others may beg to differ and love them, I don't know either
way might be nice to have a choice rather than to just get the new ones.
Brian

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Re: New nvda sounds

 

Well to be honest I do like the piano sound we have now.

However it would be good if nvda could have start and end sfx like schemes in windows and we would have several ones.

For those that are deff it may be hard to hear small sounds.

I can hear the start of nvda a long way away.

And when I am round the house or office I know my system is on the way to being on.

On 1/06/2017 8:44 p.m., Brian's Mail list account wrote:
I'm not sure about the start and end sounds. Too short to detect rising and lowering pitch in. My versions are a bit longer.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Shook" <chris0309@samobile.net>
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Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 10:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New nvda sounds


Chris Mullins I just followed your instructions and I like it so much better.
Thanks.





Re: New nvda sounds

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No its on a page just like any other download.


https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/snapshots/

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 12:48 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New nvda sounds


what is the process for downloading a version from this branch? Please tell me it doesn't involve Github!

Noah Carver

On May 31, 2017, at 19:36, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,
It’s not in stable, not in beta either. It’s under active testing in an alpha-level branch.
Cheers,
Joseph

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Noah Carver via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 4:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New nvda sounds

which beta branch contains the new sounds? I personally think a new sound change might be good. I always hated the default sounds, so much so that I created my own. Yes, I hate the default ones that much!

Noah Carver

On May 31, 2017, at 19:13, Michael Capelle <mcapelle@charter.net> wrote:

hell no, satogo and system access are still running strong.

From: The Wolf
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 5:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New nvda sounds

I thought system access died?


On 5/31/2017 3:28 PM, Gene wrote:
There already is a choice for verbal notification. It should be verbal notification by default.

System Access doesn't have a forms and browse mode because it is designed somehow to allow the page to be changed such as in edit fields and to allow browsing at the same time. However, this imposes limitations on what you can do. I haven't used System Access to Go hardly at all for a long time but I recall coming across occasions where I wanted to do something I couldn't do because I couldn't switch between browse and forms mode.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Shook
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 4:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New nvda sounds

A verbal prompt that brouse mode was on would be good. So long as
there is some sort of indication that brouse mode is on, I don't see a
problem with getting rid of sounds.
System Access doesn't have a brouse mode at all. You simply go to the
website go to the edit field you want and type. It used to allow you to
type in any edit field. It doesn't work with Google anymore.
Regardless, it's an idea for the NVDA developers.




Re: Laptops and sound issues

 

Well if you turn off all effects or remove everything down to standard even if you have to reformat to do it and loose some function you will eventually get the full sound of the speaker.

At home when I know I will not be angering anyone I use a pair of logitech z100 speakers they are old but they work.

I use a pair of senheiser hd204s, lately someone gave me a pair of unknown brand studeo style industrial grade headsets.

Ofcause away from home they are to bulky to handle.

When I need something I have a pair of cheap crappy headphones which are totally crap and stupid.

They are tinny and really suck.

However when away from home I need them just for speech output.

I have not used it much but for christmas last year I had some family come back from china and all of us got kingone 5kxx 5000 speakers which are bluetooth and the top speaker in china at the time.

Touch rewind and fast forward only run on windows media player but they have an aux port and a smart card and can be used with smartphones the sound is rather good for a unit of that type.

I also have an old 1930s amp and speakers all of which are no longer made or sold but which were my dads first set and which he gave to me.

I use that for my tv mostly but thats about it.

I havn't needed to run things while away.

Anyway with all effects off and other such things as long as your environment is quiet to mid noise level having the units at 50% is fine.

My only issue is when I have to share a lorn mower or bacuum in close proximity.

I also have a pair of andriea phones which I do use on and off as portable devices and also several sound cards usb mainly.

I also have if I really get stuck a crappy old usb 1x plantronix headset.

This one actually is really not nice to wear and its really crappy but I use it for sound troublechooting and driver upgrades.

I wouldn't use your laptop for serious work.

On 1/06/2017 7:59 p.m., Brian's Mail list account wrote:
I'd agree but to my ears, no matter how hyped up they get about sound on laptops they all sound tinny and rattle the keys if played loud.
I think the suck it and see approach is going to be the only way out. Its not unknown for some desktops to suffer from these issues as well. sometimes one can select a speaker config that will turn all the fancy rubbish off, but finding it and finding if its accessible are other challenges.
I tend to use a little sound box plugged into usb myself on all machines as often the internal sound output is noisy with interference generated inside the computer so if you want good sound, say through a hi fi you are not going to get it without an external card and often a powered hub to get rid of 5v line noise on the usb as well... sigh.


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----- Original Message ----- From: "Nikos Demetriou via Groups.Io" <nikosdemetriou=googlemail.com@groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 1:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Laptops and sound issues


Ok dell was my last hope.
It was the only make I didn't try yet and I was hoping that they left the
sound drivers alone.

The problem is that we won't know these types of problems unless if we try
nvda on them before we buy because on laptop specks sound gets very little
mention or even not at all.
We know about the processor, the hard drive, the ram, connectivity but not
the sound.
Nikos

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I've noticed this with A friends Dell, it clips off the end of things as
if some kind of time limit or noise gate is in use.. I could only solve it
with an external usb device as the driver seemed to do this on many voices
and indeed even on some effects inside programs. I cannot see why they do
this as I'd have thought that sound was important. How do they play audio
if it cuts out all the time?

Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Nikos Demetriou via Groups.Io"
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Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 12:24 PM
Subject: [nvda] Laptops and sound issues



Hi all.
Sorry if this issue has been discussed before.
I don't know what is going on with laptop sound cards these days, but nvda
doesn't seam to work well with some of them.

I tried nvda on toshiba laptops, hp laptops and lenovo laptops and I
didn't
like the way nvda responds and sounds like.
I have got the impression that this problem started under windows vista or
7 and above.
I didn't find similar situations under windows xp.
I was using espeak in all situations.
I don't want to imagine how it would sound like with vocalizer or some
other hi-q sapi5 voices which are heavier in resorces.
I found the following issues.
Sometimes nvda responds with some delay after we press a button on the
keyboard.
The sound card cuts sometimes the beginning and the end of a word or
sentence.
The sound card doesn't seam to cope well when doing things quickly such as
typing, or when pressing arrow keys rubbitly.

Sometimes the issue can be fixed if we disable all the enhancements under
playback settings but this option is not available in some laptops.

I am not very familiar with the issues system yet.
I searched but I didn't find something on laptops, sound cards, espeak
etc.
If there isn't a similar issue perhaps I can create a new one.

Yesterday I encountered a very unusual situation where nvda was working
well on a lenovo laptop, but it became very slow in responding after
updating to the latest creators update of windows 10.

Narator on this particular laptop was responding well with the windows 10
voices.
I don't know if it would be possible to have different bitrates to choose
for espeak in cases where nvda is not very responsive in some sound cards.

So what are your experiences with laptops these days and how did you fix
any sound issues?
I don't know the exact models right now because the laptops belong to
friends but if necessary I can find out.
Thanks
Nikos





.


Re: New nvda sounds

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Yes in Next as was said before. I have them here which means they are in next.

See my last message for some suggested modifications for those with a hearing loss.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 12:36 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New nvda sounds


Hi,

It’s not in stable, not in beta either. It’s under active testing in an alpha-level branch.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Noah Carver via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 4:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New nvda sounds



which beta branch contains the new sounds? I personally think a new sound change might be good. I always hated the default sounds, so much so that I created my own. Yes, I hate the default ones that much!

Noah Carver


On May 31, 2017, at 19:13, Michael Capelle <mcapelle@charter.net <mailto:mcapelle@charter.net> > wrote:

hell no, satogo and system access are still running strong.



From: The Wolf <mailto:hank.smith966@gmail.com>

Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 5:41 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [nvda] New nvda sounds



I thought system access died?



On 5/31/2017 3:28 PM, Gene wrote:

There already is a choice for verbal notification. It should be verbal notification by default.



System Access doesn't have a forms and browse mode because it is designed somehow to allow the page to be changed such as in edit fields and to allow browsing at the same time. However, this imposes limitations on what you can do. I haven't used System Access to Go hardly at all for a long time but I recall coming across occasions where I wanted to do something I couldn't do because I couldn't switch between browse and forms mode.



Gene

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From: Chris Shook <mailto:chris0309@samobile.net>

Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 4:05 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [nvda] New nvda sounds



A verbal prompt that brouse mode was on would be good. So long as
there is some sort of indication that brouse mode is on, I don't see a
problem with getting rid of sounds.
System Access doesn't have a brouse mode at all. You simply go to the
website go to the edit field you want and type. It used to allow you to
type in any edit field. It doesn't work with Google anymore.
Regardless, it's an idea for the NVDA developers.


Re: New nvda sounds

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Chuckle..
Try the 'NEXT; branch.
Or for alternatives based on them...
https://www.dropbox.com/s/hkkz61mwjxjsqbk/waves.zip?dl=1

Good luck.
Brian

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From: "Noah Carver via Groups.Io" <carvernoah309=yahoo.com@groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 12:34 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New nvda sounds


which beta branch contains the new sounds? I personally think a new sound change might be good. I always hated the default sounds, so much so that I created my own. Yes, I hate the default ones that much!

Noah Carver

On May 31, 2017, at 19:13, Michael Capelle <mcapelle@charter.net> wrote:

hell no, satogo and system access are still running strong.

From: The Wolf
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 5:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New nvda sounds

I thought system access died?


On 5/31/2017 3:28 PM, Gene wrote:
There already is a choice for verbal notification. It should be verbal notification by default.

System Access doesn't have a forms and browse mode because it is designed somehow to allow the page to be changed such as in edit fields and to allow browsing at the same time. However, this imposes limitations on what you can do. I haven't used System Access to Go hardly at all for a long time but I recall coming across occasions where I wanted to do something I couldn't do because I couldn't switch between browse and forms mode.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Shook
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 4:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New nvda sounds

A verbal prompt that brouse mode was on would be good. So long as
there is some sort of indication that brouse mode is on, I don't see a
problem with getting rid of sounds.
System Access doesn't have a brouse mode at all. You simply go to the
website go to the edit field you want and type. It used to allow you to
type in any edit field. It doesn't work with Google anymore.
Regardless, it's an idea for the NVDA developers.


Re: New nvda sounds

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You can turn off the sounds for edit and browse mode together and replace them with words.
Things like text error depends on where you have certain selections on in the software you run, but as far as I know the only choices for start and end are on or off and the error sound on snaps is on always, and the other sound seems to occur at silly places and I never knew what it was for!

At the moment you can only get them in the next snaps. Nothing to stop you copying them from the waves folder in the portable version to your current installed version waves folder of course, but I think they get overwritten on an update.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Casey" <cwollner@wi.rr.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 11:48 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New nvda sounds


Hi I have the latest version of NVDA how do you install the new sounds to it
and what are all the sounds for?
Also if you have A sound assigned that you don't want can you just turn that
one off and keep the rest running?




-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 4:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New nvda sounds

It should be a announcement you can turn on or off.

-----Original Message-----
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Shook
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 5:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New nvda sounds

A verbal prompt that brouse mode was on would be good. So long as there is
some sort of indication that brouse mode is on, I don't see a problem with
getting rid of sounds.
System Access doesn't have a brouse mode at all. You simply go to the
website go to the edit field you want and type. It used to allow you to type
in any edit field. It doesn't work with Google anymore.
Regardless, it's an idea for the NVDA developers.








Re: What new sounds

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This is the whole point of having development branches of software. To test new features and user response to them. At present its in the next branch, if it is unchallenged then in a little while it will get into the master branch, then the RC and then the release version.
I think it would be a good time to point out that they welcome feedback in the development list and if any errors occur you can raise these as issues in github as well. The more widely these snaps are tested, the better will be the state of nvda, so I can only encourage people to try the new branches and see how you get on. However be aware as has been said that both the Master and Next branches can have bugs, and so do not install them as your working copy if you rely on it on a daily basis. Use it portably, although some functionality is lost on windows 8 and 10, its still very useful and works very well on7.
Brian

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Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 11:16 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] What new sounds


Hi,
I believe the new sounds are in the development snapshots rather than the actual official releases.
Damien.
-----Original Message-----
From: Don H
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 11:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] What new sounds

Got the latest NVDA installed and I don't see any differences in any
sounds created by NVDA. What am I missing here?





Re: love the new sounds

Dennis L
 

No I didn't I didn't see the link.

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Subject: Re: [nvda] love the new sounds

Did you try my modified versions on a previous message on a dropbox link in
this thread. I find them better myself as you can hear them better.
Brian

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Subject: [nvda] love the new sounds


I love the new sounds they should be an option. Give an option to revert
to
the old sound scheme for those that want it..


Re: What new sounds

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No they are in next snapshots. Its further back in this thread.
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Subject: [nvda] What new sounds


Got the latest NVDA installed and I don't see any differences in any sounds created by NVDA. What am I missing here?


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I'm not sure about the start and end sounds. Too short to detect rising and lowering pitch in. My versions are a bit longer.
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Chris Mullins I just followed your instructions and I like it so much better.
Thanks.


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You can.
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It should be a announcement you can turn on or off.

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A verbal prompt that brouse mode was on would be good. So long as there is
some sort of indication that brouse mode is on, I don't see a problem with
getting rid of sounds.
System Access doesn't have a brouse mode at all. You simply go to the
website go to the edit field you want and type. It used to allow you to type
in any edit field. It doesn't work with Google anymore.
Regardless, it's an idea for the NVDA developers.





Re: love the new sounds

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Did you try my modified versions on a previous message on a dropbox link in this thread. I find them better myself as you can hear them better.
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Subject: [nvda] love the new sounds


I love the new sounds they should be an option. Give an option to revert to
the old sound scheme for those that want it..


Re: New nvda sounds

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I think the point is this. If for example, you press e in browse mode, you will end up on an edit fiield but will not go into actual edit mode on it till you hit return.
The sound will tell you you are in it then or not if its some oddball control.
If you go into the browse mode preferences you can toggle between sounds and voice. The only issue i have with the voice prompt is that sometimes it gets overwritten before its spoken by something readable in the edit field itself.
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A verbal prompt that brouse mode was on would be good. So long as there is some sort of indication that brouse mode is on, I don't see a problem with getting rid of sounds.
System Access doesn't have a brouse mode at all. You simply go to the website go to the edit field you want and type. It used to allow you to type in any edit field. It doesn't work with Google anymore. Regardless, it's an idea for the NVDA developers.


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And at present its only in the 'NEXT' snapshots. If it makes it to Master you are pretty safe running this version from my experience.
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Subject: Re: [nvda] New nvda sounds


Dennis, be aware that, like it says on the page, it's the
under-development snapshot version, so could have minor forms of
issues/bugs in it, so, just make sure you do install it in a
folder/location you can remove it from later on, etc. - don't let it
override your normal/stable version until you are sure you want to work
with it, but:

https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/snapshots/


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On 2017-05-31 22:46, Dennis L wrote:

Where do I go to get this version I need?

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
*Gene New Zealand
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*Subject:* Re: [nvda] New nvda sounds

Hi gene

I totally agree with you.

When ever i teach some one i have it so it says which mode it is in so
the person knows when they can use single letter navigation in browse
mode and when it says focus mode they can type say into a form.

then i will after a little let them know about the sounds but they
usually stay with it been said.

Gene nz

On 1/06/2017 8:21 AM, Gene wrote:

If people want to use sounds of some sort, that's fine. But I
strongly believe that sounds for browse mode and focus mode
shouldn't be on by default. People learning the screen-reader,
especially those not familiar with the Internet, should get verbal
prompts.

Gene

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In my ioinion, some type os sound would be helpful because you don't
always know if brouse mode is on or not.
I really don't see the point in changing the sounds. If it ain't
broke
don't fix it.
If they do get rid of the sounds, they'll need to add something that
let's you know when brouse mode is active.

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You can turn on a voice prompt for it of course. They have not got rid of the sounds, they have changed them for shorter less strident ones that is all. My main issue is that they are now masked by the voice, depending on your choice of voice obviously, and also some have hf components that make them hard for those with hf loss in their hearing.
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In my ioinion, some type os sound would be helpful because you don't always know if brouse mode is on or not.
I really don't see the point in changing the sounds. If it ain't broke don't fix it.
If they do get rid of the sounds, they'll need to add something that let's you know when brouse mode is active.


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Yes one could tgo for a default folder if none is specified, say nvdatemp off of the root, but I fear that the big issue might be one of the ability of the user to be able to access the specified folder, thus

you might not be able to either save to it or run the program in any case.
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Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 9:15 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New nvda sounds


Run the installer. Tab through the dialog and you will see that you mustg accept the license agreement. The next dialog gives you choices such as install, make portable version and continue running. Create a portable version. Don't designate a folder with any other files in it. The portable creator doesn't place the files in a folder of its own. It will place the files directly in a folder you specify. I had thought about commenting on this in the past but I didn't. But NVDA should, in my opinion, create a folder when creating a portable version. I had believed it would and so I designated a folder at one time and had the NVDA files placed in a folder with lots of other files. Just as zip programs create a folder when unzipping, so, I think, should NVDA.

Gene
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Subject: Re: [nvda] New nvda sounds


I am not sure how to install it as a portable could someone email me the
sounds

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Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 2:06 PM
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Subject: Re: [nvda] New nvda sounds

Dennis, download the NVDA decelopment snapshot, install it to something like
a portable installation location, and then go copy the sound clips from the
./waves folder into your current installation's ./waves folder.


Stay well


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On 2017-05-31 19:01, Dennis L wrote:
How can we get these new sounds now is there a way?

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Jacob Kruger
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 9:39 AM
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Subject: Re: [nvda] New nvda sounds

Brian, I was feeling the same way - I actually prefer the old, 'classic'
sounds myself.


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On 2017-05-31 13:19, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
I notice in the next branch of snaps, we are being given new start
and end sounds and new edit and browse mode sounds. I have issues
with some of these myself, but wanted to flag these up here for a a
wider audience to try and perhaps feed back on on the devel list.
My main issue is the quietness of the edit mode and the similarity of
the start and stop ones for nvda.


However others may beg to differ and love them, I don't know either
way might be nice to have a choice rather than to just get the new ones.
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Apparently not so simple for the start sound for hopefully obvious reasons. IE this sound is played before the full nvda has loaded.
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Subject: Re: [nvda] New nvda sounds


No give the user the option between new and old sounds very simple.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of J.G
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 3:50 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New nvda sounds



Hi,

I have a suggestion: replace old browse/focus mode sounds with sounds, which were asigned to start/stop NVDA. For start/stop NVDA, please, please use old piano sounds.

regards, Jožef