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Re: 2/22 Next install

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Actually I had this weirdness on an xp machine yesterday. I left it doing noothing using the machine as the printer server after the update. When I returned it was still working but nvda seems to have gone s l o w.
Evenntually I managed to get a portable version working and slowly went into the task manager and manually killed all the nvda stuff, then rebooted nvda and it was back to normal.
Very odd. Might be just a coincidence I don't know.
Brian

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From: "John Hedges" <jhedges@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:35 PM
Subject: [nvda] 2/22 Next install


Seems like some changes in the latest NVDA build are causing sluggish hangs after a few hours of use on build 15031. I have had to force a sign out to reset the system. Mail and Edge are both open when the hang scenario occurs. It has occurred three times so far.

I also note some Edge issues on secure sites that were actually working better before this update.

John
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Re: Windows 10 Mail app

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Does it do news groups like the other clients before it?
Also somebody told me its actually better to use Narrator on this app. I really don't want to do that.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Simone Dal Maso" <simone.dalmaso@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 11:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Mail app


It works quite well, sometime when you are writing you can't know what you are doing, so please install the excellent nvda's addon named:
Windows10 app essentials.

Best regards.


Il 23/02/2017 12:02, Chris Mullins ha scritto:
Hi

Does anyone on the list use the built-in mail app in Windows 10 and if
so, I would welcome your advice re accessibility. I have no sight and
rely on voice feedback only.



Cheers

Chris



Re: nvda announcing clipboard functions and other keystrokes

Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
 

Do you have any plans to develop any addon like you describe?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tyler
Spivey
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 12:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda announcing clipboard functions and other keystrokes

Here's how to fix this, and hopefully have it wait until something has been
copied.
* Write an addon which binds control x and control c. When you press one of
these keys, It sets a flag.
* Have the addon create a window and call AddClipboardFormatListener.
When responding to WM_CLIPBOARDUPDATE, it should speak cut or copied
depending on what was pressed.

On 2/21/2017 8:45 PM, Kwork wrote:
Thank you Gene from NZ. While I'd still like things to be different,
this is a good check to make sure something's been copied or cut to the
clipboard.
Travis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene New Zealand" <hurrikennyandopo@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 7:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda announcing clipboard functions and other
keystrokes


When ever i do a copy and pastei always use a extra step which is
using the nvda key + letter C and it will tell me if there is text there
or not.


My self i do not need to know or hear it say copy or paste. it is just
a matter of when i do do a copy i put in that extra step.


The same idea if you use the nvda key + f9 key to start a mark and
then the nvda key + f10 to say it has been copied i can confirm with
the extra step if needed.


Gene nz



On 22/02/2017 11:38 AM, Kwork wrote:
I used that add-on for a short while. The problem I found was that it
wasn't reliable. There were times that I'd use it, hear the
announcement, only to find that the action hadn't been true to the
announcement. The add-on seems to verify the keystroke, but doesn't
wait to do so till after the action itself has been verified. This is
one small area where Jaws is still ahead.
Travis
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Griffith" <daj.griffith@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 6:00 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda announcing clipboard functions and other
keystrokes


There is an addon which makes these announcements available.


It is called Fake Clipboard announce or something like that.

You should able to find it on the addons repositary.



David Griffith

On 21/02/2017 12:32, erik burggraaf wrote:

Hi, I have to figure this out and don't have an nvda machine to poke
around on. It never used to bother me that NVDA doesn't announce
cut, copy, paste, in particular, and other functions accessible
using windows standard keys, but I've got a friend who is a new user
of NVDA and he needs some more feedback from keystrokes,
particularly these clipboard functions. Is there a setting to enable
speaking for these keys, or do I need to install an add-on for this?

Thanks,

Erik

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Re: Questions and suggestions

Gene
 

That isn't the reason and that argument is irrelevant.  The system tray wasn't accessible years ago through Windows.  There needed to be a screen-reader dialog to provide access.  That's how the whole separate access got started and System Access uses the same command.  Window-eyes uses a different command but it too provides a system tray dialog. 
 
There are times, like it or not, when the dialog works better than using the Windows access method and it should be provided as a part of screen-readers. 
 
Sometimes, I get access to something using the Windows method when the dialog doesn't work properly and at other times, I have found the only way I've gotten access to an item is by using the dialog.  These instances where one or the other method doesn't work are rare but the argument that the screen-reader dialog method is nothing but duplication is not correct. 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 10:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Questions and suggestions

Because NVDA is not jaws, and there's no reason to make it mirror jaws keystrokes.  The windows-b keystroke will work no matter what you use for a screen reader, since it's a windows command.  That's why NVDA uses it.  There is no dedicated NVDA keystroke for this function.



On 2/23/2017 8:36 PM, Arlene wrote:

Hi, I don’t know if I can say here! When you go to your system trey. Why not make future builds of NVDA be insert F 11? Instead of windows B. 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Damien Sykes-Lindley
Sent: February-23-17 9:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Questions and suggestions

 

Hi Gene,

Hotkeys are indeed excellent. One of the first thing I look for in a program is hotkeys. In fact, some have so many that it’s hard to memorise all of them. But at least they’re there!

The only problem I have with Windows shortcuts being linked to them is that, because they are global throughout the whole system, it can unfortunately cause conflicts with other running applications that utilise those shortcuts. For instance, I could assign a ctrl+alt+q shortcut to launch QWS (a MIDI sequencer), and another application may use ctrl+alt+q to mean quit. I have known ctrl+alt+o for options, ctrl+alt+x for exit, ctrl+alt+n/p for next/previous, all of which can be assigned to a Windows hotkey, and then it’s touch and go as to which item activates. Otherwise, I’m definitely all for hotkeys!

As an aside, I must admit I do find it odd, and mildly frustrating that there are four modifier keys that can be used to register hotkeys and yet it is still possible to run out of logical keys! This is even more so for global shortcut-linked ones, since I think you can only have ctrl+alt and ctrl+shift combos. Possibly if you’re extremely dextrous you might be able to have ctrl+shift+alt, I haven’t dared to try that one. Lol.

First letter navigation. Now you mention it I am aware of it. I use it all the time to move quickly to files in Explorer. But for some reason it didn’t cross my mind for the desktop (even though I know that is also controlled by explorer). I guess because my explorer is in detail view, and the desktop shows as a sort of grid layout I treated them as two separate systems. Strange how brains work!

Cheers.
Damien.





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Re: Questions and suggestions

Alexander Masic
 

You can atually donload a adons who made this. I have done it, However i'm using windows+b anyway, ok. i can se some advantages with this adons. partuculary for new users: because you can right or left click on it. by tab to that.

Den 2017-02-24 kl. 05:21, skrev Travis Siegel:

Because NVDA is not jaws, and there's no reason to make it mirror jaws keystrokes.  The windows-b keystroke will work no matter what you use for a screen reader, since it's a windows command.  That's why NVDA uses it.  There is no dedicated NVDA keystroke for this function.



On 2/23/2017 8:36 PM, Arlene wrote:

Hi, I don’t know if I can say here! When you go to your system trey. Why not make future builds of NVDA be insert F 11? Instead of windows B. 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Damien Sykes-Lindley
Sent: February-23-17 9:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Questions and suggestions

 

Hi Gene,

Hotkeys are indeed excellent. One of the first thing I look for in a program is hotkeys. In fact, some have so many that it’s hard to memorise all of them. But at least they’re there!

The only problem I have with Windows shortcuts being linked to them is that, because they are global throughout the whole system, it can unfortunately cause conflicts with other running applications that utilise those shortcuts. For instance, I could assign a ctrl+alt+q shortcut to launch QWS (a MIDI sequencer), and another application may use ctrl+alt+q to mean quit. I have known ctrl+alt+o for options, ctrl+alt+x for exit, ctrl+alt+n/p for next/previous, all of which can be assigned to a Windows hotkey, and then it’s touch and go as to which item activates. Otherwise, I’m definitely all for hotkeys!

As an aside, I must admit I do find it odd, and mildly frustrating that there are four modifier keys that can be used to register hotkeys and yet it is still possible to run out of logical keys! This is even more so for global shortcut-linked ones, since I think you can only have ctrl+alt and ctrl+shift combos. Possibly if you’re extremely dextrous you might be able to have ctrl+shift+alt, I haven’t dared to try that one. Lol.

First letter navigation. Now you mention it I am aware of it. I use it all the time to move quickly to files in Explorer. But for some reason it didn’t cross my mind for the desktop (even though I know that is also controlled by explorer). I guess because my explorer is in detail view, and the desktop shows as a sort of grid layout I treated them as two separate systems. Strange how brains work!

Cheers.
Damien.





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Re: Questions and suggestions

Arlene
 

I just tried Insert B using Jaws 14. It takes you to the trey!

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Travis Siegel
Sent: February-23-17 8:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Questions and suggestions

 

Because NVDA is not jaws, and there's no reason to make it mirror jaws keystrokes.  The windows-b keystroke will work no matter what you use for a screen reader, since it's a windows command.  That's why NVDA uses it.  There is no dedicated NVDA keystroke for this function.

 

 

On 2/23/2017 8:36 PM, Arlene wrote:

Hi, I don’t know if I can say here! When you go to your system trey. Why not make future builds of NVDA be insert F 11? Instead of windows B. 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Damien Sykes-Lindley
Sent: February-23-17 9:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Questions and suggestions

 

Hi Gene,

Hotkeys are indeed excellent. One of the first thing I look for in a program is hotkeys. In fact, some have so many that it’s hard to memorise all of them. But at least they’re there!

The only problem I have with Windows shortcuts being linked to them is that, because they are global throughout the whole system, it can unfortunately cause conflicts with other running applications that utilise those shortcuts. For instance, I could assign a ctrl+alt+q shortcut to launch QWS (a MIDI sequencer), and another application may use ctrl+alt+q to mean quit. I have known ctrl+alt+o for options, ctrl+alt+x for exit, ctrl+alt+n/p for next/previous, all of which can be assigned to a Windows hotkey, and then it’s touch and go as to which item activates. Otherwise, I’m definitely all for hotkeys!

As an aside, I must admit I do find it odd, and mildly frustrating that there are four modifier keys that can be used to register hotkeys and yet it is still possible to run out of logical keys! This is even more so for global shortcut-linked ones, since I think you can only have ctrl+alt and ctrl+shift combos. Possibly if you’re extremely dextrous you might be able to have ctrl+shift+alt, I haven’t dared to try that one. Lol.

First letter navigation. Now you mention it I am aware of it. I use it all the time to move quickly to files in Explorer. But for some reason it didn’t cross my mind for the desktop (even though I know that is also controlled by explorer). I guess because my explorer is in detail view, and the desktop shows as a sort of grid layout I treated them as two separate systems. Strange how brains work!

Cheers.
Damien.




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Re: Questions and suggestions

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

Because NVDA is not jaws, and there's no reason to make it mirror jaws keystrokes.  The windows-b keystroke will work no matter what you use for a screen reader, since it's a windows command.  That's why NVDA uses it.  There is no dedicated NVDA keystroke for this function.



On 2/23/2017 8:36 PM, Arlene wrote:

Hi, I don’t know if I can say here! When you go to your system trey. Why not make future builds of NVDA be insert F 11? Instead of windows B. 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Damien Sykes-Lindley
Sent: February-23-17 9:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Questions and suggestions

 

Hi Gene,

Hotkeys are indeed excellent. One of the first thing I look for in a program is hotkeys. In fact, some have so many that it’s hard to memorise all of them. But at least they’re there!

The only problem I have with Windows shortcuts being linked to them is that, because they are global throughout the whole system, it can unfortunately cause conflicts with other running applications that utilise those shortcuts. For instance, I could assign a ctrl+alt+q shortcut to launch QWS (a MIDI sequencer), and another application may use ctrl+alt+q to mean quit. I have known ctrl+alt+o for options, ctrl+alt+x for exit, ctrl+alt+n/p for next/previous, all of which can be assigned to a Windows hotkey, and then it’s touch and go as to which item activates. Otherwise, I’m definitely all for hotkeys!

As an aside, I must admit I do find it odd, and mildly frustrating that there are four modifier keys that can be used to register hotkeys and yet it is still possible to run out of logical keys! This is even more so for global shortcut-linked ones, since I think you can only have ctrl+alt and ctrl+shift combos. Possibly if you’re extremely dextrous you might be able to have ctrl+shift+alt, I haven’t dared to try that one. Lol.

First letter navigation. Now you mention it I am aware of it. I use it all the time to move quickly to files in Explorer. But for some reason it didn’t cross my mind for the desktop (even though I know that is also controlled by explorer). I guess because my explorer is in detail view, and the desktop shows as a sort of grid layout I treated them as two separate systems. Strange how brains work!

Cheers.
Damien.





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Re: NVDA Web Browser Problem

Arlene
 

Thanks, I’ve seen posts about mathplayer and gathered that it is used for office programs. Thought I’d better ask what it was for!

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: February-23-17 7:55 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem

 

Oh, don't be ashamed to ask - you never find out if you don't :)

 

On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 2:48 PM, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:

I gathered that much that was what it was.  I figured it was to do with office programs like Microsoft word I finally got the courage to ask what mathplayer was.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: February-23-17 7:44 PM


To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem

 

Arlene,

 

MathPlayer by Design Science is a tool which lets you read and write mathematical equations in Microsoft Office and on the web: https://www.dessci.com/en/products/mathplayer/  Note that for some features, you also need MathType from the same site (MathPlayer is free, MathType costs $97 ($57 academic).

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 2:40 PM, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:

What is mathplayer?


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of nasrin khaksar
Sent: February-23-17 6:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem

hi.
i was not familiar with mathplayer.
but many months ago, i had this problem because of uninstalling one office program.
i reinstalled office as the people in the list recommended me and the problem is solved.
i had this problem only with firefox, not internet explorer.

On 2/24/17, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
> Good point Angelo, I often forget to suggest add-ons!
>
> The one you want Arlene is SysTrayList:
> https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/systrayList.en.html
>
> It does exactly what you want - sets NVDA+F11 to let you access the
> items in the system tray.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Quentin.
>
> On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 12:56 PM, Angelo Sonnesso
> <asonnesso@...>
> wrote:
>
>> There is an NVDA add-in that uses the F11 key.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 73 N2DYN Angelo
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf
>> Of *Quentin Christensen
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 23, 2017 8:55 PM
>>
>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Arlene,
>>
>>
>>
>> WINDOWS+B is a Windows command itself, not an NVDA command.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you open the taskbar settings (easiest way is to open the start
>> menu and start typing "taskbar"), then "Select which icons appear on
>> the taskbar", make sure that "always show all icons in the notification area"
>> is checked then it will ensure that you don't need to look in the
>> notification overflow area to find some.
>>
>>
>> I think providing access to all notification tray icons even without
>> that setting is the main extra thing that the Jaws setting does?
>>
>>
>> That being the case, we didn't want to use up a command to duplicate
>> something which could already be achieved with an existing command.
>> As for why Windows chose WINDOWS+B to get to the notification area, I
>> have never figured that out.
>>
>>
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>>
>>
>> Quentin.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 12:33 PM, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:
>>
>> Oh, okay! Happy learning! NVDA is good. I use both.Jaws and NVDA.
>> Here's more if you want to know. If you want to go to your system
>> ttrey. With NVDA It's windows B.  Don't ask me why that is.  I wished
>> like Jaws it's insert F
>> 11
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>> Louis Maher
>>
>> Sent: February-23-17 11:41 AM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem
>>
>> Hi Arlene,
>>
>> JAWS is my primary screen reader, and I do not have any issues with it.
>> I
>> am trying to learn NVDA.
>>
>>
>> Regards
>> Louis Maher
>> Phone: 713-444-7838
>> E-mail: ljmaher@...
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>> Arlene
>> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:31 PM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem
>>
>> Hi, Do you have another back up screen reader to rectify your
>> problem? If you do, then try your back up screen reader and see if
>> you have that same problem!  If NVDA is your primary screen reader you are in trouble.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>> Louis Maher
>> Sent: February-23-17 10:49 AM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem
>>
>> Folks,
>>
>> Several weeks ago, my NVDA (version 16.4) was unable to access
>> Firefox (51.?).  When I opened a webpage, the arrow keys just said
>> unknown when I used them.  I uninstalled NVDA and Firefox and
>> re-installed both.  I am now on NVDA 17.1), and I have the same
>> issue.
>>
>> Any suggestions would be appreciated.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards
>> Louis Maher
>> Phone: 713-444-7838
>> E-mail: ljmaher@...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Quentin Christensen
>> Training Material Developer
>>
>> Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available:
>> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>>
>>
>>
>> Ph +61 7 3149 3306
>>
>> www.nvaccess.org
>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
>> Twitter: @NVAccess
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Quentin Christensen
> Training Material Developer
> Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available:
> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>
> Ph +61 7 3149 3306
> www.nvaccess.org
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> Twitter: @NVAccess
>


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Re: NVDA Web Browser Problem

Quentin Christensen
 

Oh, don't be ashamed to ask - you never find out if you don't :)

On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 2:48 PM, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:

I gathered that much that was what it was.  I figured it was to do with office programs like Microsoft word I finally got the courage to ask what mathplayer was.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: February-23-17 7:44 PM


To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem

 

Arlene,

 

MathPlayer by Design Science is a tool which lets you read and write mathematical equations in Microsoft Office and on the web: https://www.dessci.com/en/products/mathplayer/  Note that for some features, you also need MathType from the same site (MathPlayer is free, MathType costs $97 ($57 academic).

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 2:40 PM, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:

What is mathplayer?


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of nasrin khaksar
Sent: February-23-17 6:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem

hi.
i was not familiar with mathplayer.
but many months ago, i had this problem because of uninstalling one office program.
i reinstalled office as the people in the list recommended me and the problem is solved.
i had this problem only with firefox, not internet explorer.

On 2/24/17, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
> Good point Angelo, I often forget to suggest add-ons!
>
> The one you want Arlene is SysTrayList:
> https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/systrayList.en.html
>
> It does exactly what you want - sets NVDA+F11 to let you access the
> items in the system tray.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Quentin.
>
> On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 12:56 PM, Angelo Sonnesso
> <asonnesso@...>
> wrote:
>
>> There is an NVDA add-in that uses the F11 key.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 73 N2DYN Angelo
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf
>> Of *Quentin Christensen
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 23, 2017 8:55 PM
>>
>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Arlene,
>>
>>
>>
>> WINDOWS+B is a Windows command itself, not an NVDA command.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you open the taskbar settings (easiest way is to open the start
>> menu and start typing "taskbar"), then "Select which icons appear on
>> the taskbar", make sure that "always show all icons in the notification area"
>> is checked then it will ensure that you don't need to look in the
>> notification overflow area to find some.
>>
>>
>> I think providing access to all notification tray icons even without
>> that setting is the main extra thing that the Jaws setting does?
>>
>>
>> That being the case, we didn't want to use up a command to duplicate
>> something which could already be achieved with an existing command.
>> As for why Windows chose WINDOWS+B to get to the notification area, I
>> have never figured that out.
>>
>>
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>>
>>
>> Quentin.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 12:33 PM, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:
>>
>> Oh, okay! Happy learning! NVDA is good. I use both.Jaws and NVDA.
>> Here's more if you want to know. If you want to go to your system
>> ttrey. With NVDA It's windows B.  Don't ask me why that is.  I wished
>> like Jaws it's insert F
>> 11
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>> Louis Maher
>>
>> Sent: February-23-17 11:41 AM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem
>>
>> Hi Arlene,
>>
>> JAWS is my primary screen reader, and I do not have any issues with it.
>> I
>> am trying to learn NVDA.
>>
>>
>> Regards
>> Louis Maher
>> Phone: 713-444-7838
>> E-mail: ljmaher@...
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>> Arlene
>> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:31 PM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem
>>
>> Hi, Do you have another back up screen reader to rectify your
>> problem? If you do, then try your back up screen reader and see if
>> you have that same problem!  If NVDA is your primary screen reader you are in trouble.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>> Louis Maher
>> Sent: February-23-17 10:49 AM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem
>>
>> Folks,
>>
>> Several weeks ago, my NVDA (version 16.4) was unable to access
>> Firefox (51.?).  When I opened a webpage, the arrow keys just said
>> unknown when I used them.  I uninstalled NVDA and Firefox and
>> re-installed both.  I am now on NVDA 17.1), and I have the same
>> issue.
>>
>> Any suggestions would be appreciated.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards
>> Louis Maher
>> Phone: 713-444-7838
>> E-mail: ljmaher@...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Quentin Christensen
>> Training Material Developer
>>
>> Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available:
>> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>>
>>
>>
>> Ph +61 7 3149 3306
>>
>> www.nvaccess.org
>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
>> Twitter: @NVAccess
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Quentin Christensen
> Training Material Developer
> Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available:
> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>
> Ph +61 7 3149 3306
> www.nvaccess.org
> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
> Twitter: @NVAccess
>


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages al-islam.org







 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 




--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: NVDA Web Browser Problem

Arlene
 

I gathered that much that was what it was.  I figured it was to do with office programs like Microsoft word I finally got the courage to ask what mathplayer was.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: February-23-17 7:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem

 

Arlene,

 

MathPlayer by Design Science is a tool which lets you read and write mathematical equations in Microsoft Office and on the web: https://www.dessci.com/en/products/mathplayer/  Note that for some features, you also need MathType from the same site (MathPlayer is free, MathType costs $97 ($57 academic).

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 2:40 PM, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:

What is mathplayer?


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of nasrin khaksar
Sent: February-23-17 6:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem

hi.
i was not familiar with mathplayer.
but many months ago, i had this problem because of uninstalling one office program.
i reinstalled office as the people in the list recommended me and the problem is solved.
i had this problem only with firefox, not internet explorer.

On 2/24/17, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
> Good point Angelo, I often forget to suggest add-ons!
>
> The one you want Arlene is SysTrayList:
> https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/systrayList.en.html
>
> It does exactly what you want - sets NVDA+F11 to let you access the
> items in the system tray.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Quentin.
>
> On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 12:56 PM, Angelo Sonnesso
> <asonnesso@...>
> wrote:
>
>> There is an NVDA add-in that uses the F11 key.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 73 N2DYN Angelo
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf
>> Of *Quentin Christensen
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 23, 2017 8:55 PM
>>
>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Arlene,
>>
>>
>>
>> WINDOWS+B is a Windows command itself, not an NVDA command.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you open the taskbar settings (easiest way is to open the start
>> menu and start typing "taskbar"), then "Select which icons appear on
>> the taskbar", make sure that "always show all icons in the notification area"
>> is checked then it will ensure that you don't need to look in the
>> notification overflow area to find some.
>>
>>
>> I think providing access to all notification tray icons even without
>> that setting is the main extra thing that the Jaws setting does?
>>
>>
>> That being the case, we didn't want to use up a command to duplicate
>> something which could already be achieved with an existing command.
>> As for why Windows chose WINDOWS+B to get to the notification area, I
>> have never figured that out.
>>
>>
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>>
>>
>> Quentin.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 12:33 PM, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:
>>
>> Oh, okay! Happy learning! NVDA is good. I use both.Jaws and NVDA.
>> Here's more if you want to know. If you want to go to your system
>> ttrey. With NVDA It's windows B.  Don't ask me why that is.  I wished
>> like Jaws it's insert F
>> 11
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>> Louis Maher
>>
>> Sent: February-23-17 11:41 AM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem
>>
>> Hi Arlene,
>>
>> JAWS is my primary screen reader, and I do not have any issues with it.
>> I
>> am trying to learn NVDA.
>>
>>
>> Regards
>> Louis Maher
>> Phone: 713-444-7838
>> E-mail: ljmaher@...
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>> Arlene
>> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:31 PM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem
>>
>> Hi, Do you have another back up screen reader to rectify your
>> problem? If you do, then try your back up screen reader and see if
>> you have that same problem!  If NVDA is your primary screen reader you are in trouble.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>> Louis Maher
>> Sent: February-23-17 10:49 AM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem
>>
>> Folks,
>>
>> Several weeks ago, my NVDA (version 16.4) was unable to access
>> Firefox (51.?).  When I opened a webpage, the arrow keys just said
>> unknown when I used them.  I uninstalled NVDA and Firefox and
>> re-installed both.  I am now on NVDA 17.1), and I have the same
>> issue.
>>
>> Any suggestions would be appreciated.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards
>> Louis Maher
>> Phone: 713-444-7838
>> E-mail: ljmaher@...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Quentin Christensen
>> Training Material Developer
>>
>> Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available:
>> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>>
>>
>>
>> Ph +61 7 3149 3306
>>
>> www.nvaccess.org
>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
>> Twitter: @NVAccess
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Quentin Christensen
> Training Material Developer
> Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available:
> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>
> Ph +61 7 3149 3306
> www.nvaccess.org
> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
> Twitter: @NVAccess
>


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages al-islam.org







 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: NVDA Web Browser Problem

Quentin Christensen
 

Arlene,

MathPlayer by Design Science is a tool which lets you read and write mathematical equations in Microsoft Office and on the web: https://www.dessci.com/en/products/mathplayer/  Note that for some features, you also need MathType from the same site (MathPlayer is free, MathType costs $97 ($57 academic).

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 2:40 PM, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:
What is mathplayer?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of nasrin khaksar
Sent: February-23-17 6:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem

hi.
i was not familiar with mathplayer.
but many months ago, i had this problem because of uninstalling one office program.
i reinstalled office as the people in the list recommended me and the problem is solved.
i had this problem only with firefox, not internet explorer.

On 2/24/17, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
> Good point Angelo, I often forget to suggest add-ons!
>
> The one you want Arlene is SysTrayList:
> https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/systrayList.en.html
>
> It does exactly what you want - sets NVDA+F11 to let you access the
> items in the system tray.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Quentin.
>
> On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 12:56 PM, Angelo Sonnesso
> <asonnesso@...>
> wrote:
>
>> There is an NVDA add-in that uses the F11 key.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 73 N2DYN Angelo
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf
>> Of *Quentin Christensen
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 23, 2017 8:55 PM
>>
>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Arlene,
>>
>>
>>
>> WINDOWS+B is a Windows command itself, not an NVDA command.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you open the taskbar settings (easiest way is to open the start
>> menu and start typing "taskbar"), then "Select which icons appear on
>> the taskbar", make sure that "always show all icons in the notification area"
>> is checked then it will ensure that you don't need to look in the
>> notification overflow area to find some.
>>
>>
>> I think providing access to all notification tray icons even without
>> that setting is the main extra thing that the Jaws setting does?
>>
>>
>> That being the case, we didn't want to use up a command to duplicate
>> something which could already be achieved with an existing command.
>> As for why Windows chose WINDOWS+B to get to the notification area, I
>> have never figured that out.
>>
>>
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>>
>>
>> Quentin.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 12:33 PM, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:
>>
>> Oh, okay! Happy learning! NVDA is good. I use both.Jaws and NVDA.
>> Here's more if you want to know. If you want to go to your system
>> ttrey. With NVDA It's windows B.  Don't ask me why that is.  I wished
>> like Jaws it's insert F
>> 11
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>> Louis Maher
>>
>> Sent: February-23-17 11:41 AM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem
>>
>> Hi Arlene,
>>
>> JAWS is my primary screen reader, and I do not have any issues with it.
>> I
>> am trying to learn NVDA.
>>
>>
>> Regards
>> Louis Maher
>> Phone: 713-444-7838
>> E-mail: ljmaher@...
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>> Arlene
>> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:31 PM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem
>>
>> Hi, Do you have another back up screen reader to rectify your
>> problem? If you do, then try your back up screen reader and see if
>> you have that same problem!  If NVDA is your primary screen reader you are in trouble.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>> Louis Maher
>> Sent: February-23-17 10:49 AM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem
>>
>> Folks,
>>
>> Several weeks ago, my NVDA (version 16.4) was unable to access
>> Firefox (51.?).  When I opened a webpage, the arrow keys just said
>> unknown when I used them.  I uninstalled NVDA and Firefox and
>> re-installed both.  I am now on NVDA 17.1), and I have the same
>> issue.
>>
>> Any suggestions would be appreciated.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards
>> Louis Maher
>> Phone: 713-444-7838
>> E-mail: ljmaher@...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Quentin Christensen
>> Training Material Developer
>>
>> Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available:
>> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>>
>>
>>
>> Ph +61 7 3149 3306
>>
>> www.nvaccess.org
>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
>> Twitter: @NVAccess
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Quentin Christensen
> Training Material Developer
> Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available:
> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>
> Ph +61 7 3149 3306
> www.nvaccess.org
> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
> Twitter: @NVAccess
>


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages al-islam.org









--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: NVDA Web Browser Problem

Arlene
 

What is mathplayer?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of nasrin khaksar
Sent: February-23-17 6:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem

hi.
i was not familiar with mathplayer.
but many months ago, i had this problem because of uninstalling one office program.
i reinstalled office as the people in the list recommended me and the problem is solved.
i had this problem only with firefox, not internet explorer.

On 2/24/17, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
Good point Angelo, I often forget to suggest add-ons!

The one you want Arlene is SysTrayList:
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/systrayList.en.html

It does exactly what you want - sets NVDA+F11 to let you access the
items in the system tray.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 12:56 PM, Angelo Sonnesso
<@asonnesso>
wrote:

There is an NVDA add-in that uses the F11 key.





73 N2DYN Angelo



*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf
Of *Quentin Christensen
*Sent:* Thursday, February 23, 2017 8:55 PM

*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem



Hi Arlene,



WINDOWS+B is a Windows command itself, not an NVDA command.



If you open the taskbar settings (easiest way is to open the start
menu and start typing "taskbar"), then "Select which icons appear on
the taskbar", make sure that "always show all icons in the notification area"
is checked then it will ensure that you don't need to look in the
notification overflow area to find some.


I think providing access to all notification tray icons even without
that setting is the main extra thing that the Jaws setting does?


That being the case, we didn't want to use up a command to duplicate
something which could already be achieved with an existing command.
As for why Windows chose WINDOWS+B to get to the notification area, I
have never figured that out.



Kind regards



Quentin.



On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 12:33 PM, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:

Oh, okay! Happy learning! NVDA is good. I use both.Jaws and NVDA.
Here's more if you want to know. If you want to go to your system
ttrey. With NVDA It's windows B. Don't ask me why that is. I wished
like Jaws it's insert F
11

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Louis Maher

Sent: February-23-17 11:41 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem

Hi Arlene,

JAWS is my primary screen reader, and I do not have any issues with it.
I
am trying to learn NVDA.


Regards
Louis Maher
Phone: 713-444-7838
E-mail: ljmaher@...

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Arlene
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:31 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem

Hi, Do you have another back up screen reader to rectify your
problem? If you do, then try your back up screen reader and see if
you have that same problem! If NVDA is your primary screen reader you are in trouble.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Louis Maher
Sent: February-23-17 10:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem

Folks,

Several weeks ago, my NVDA (version 16.4) was unable to access
Firefox (51.?). When I opened a webpage, the arrow keys just said
unknown when I used them. I uninstalled NVDA and Firefox and
re-installed both. I am now on NVDA 17.1), and I have the same
issue.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.



Regards
Louis Maher
Phone: 713-444-7838
E-mail: ljmaher@...

















--

Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/



Ph +61 7 3149 3306

www.nvaccess.org
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess




--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Ph +61 7 3149 3306
www.nvaccess.org
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess

--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages al-islam.org


Re: Questions and suggestions

Arlene
 

Confirmed! I can get to the system trey using windows B with Jaws 14 along with NVDA I’ll just have to pay a visit to the addons site.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: February-23-17 6:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Questions and suggestions

 

Just for completeness, since the same topic is in both threads, you can do this with the SysTrayList addon: https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/systrayList.en.html

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 12:59 PM, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:

Oh I see. I seen with other screen readers it was insert F 11. Just my 2 cents.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Andre Fisher
Sent: February-23-17 5:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Questions and suggestions

Because Windows+B is the Windows specific shortcut.

On 2/23/17, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:
> Hi, I don’t know if I can say here! When you go to your system trey.
> Why not make future builds of NVDA be insert F 11? Instead of windows B.
>
>
>
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
> Damien Sykes-Lindley
> Sent: February-23-17 9:06 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Questions and suggestions
>
>
>
> Hi Gene,
>
> Hotkeys are indeed excellent. One of the first thing I look for in a
> program is hotkeys. In fact, some have so many that it’s hard to
> memorise all of them. But at least they’re there!
>
> The only problem I have with Windows shortcuts being linked to them is
> that, because they are global throughout the whole system, it can
> unfortunately cause conflicts with other running applications that
> utilise those shortcuts. For instance, I could assign a ctrl+alt+q
> shortcut to launch QWS (a MIDI sequencer), and another application may use ctrl+alt+q to mean quit.
> I have known ctrl+alt+o for options, ctrl+alt+x for exit, ctrl+alt+n/p
> for next/previous, all of which can be assigned to a Windows hotkey,
> and then it’s touch and go as to which item activates. Otherwise, I’m
> definitely all for hotkeys!
>
> As an aside, I must admit I do find it odd, and mildly frustrating
> that there are four modifier keys that can be used to register hotkeys
> and yet it is still possible to run out of logical keys! This is even
> more so for global shortcut-linked ones, since I think you can only
> have ctrl+alt and
> ctrl+shift combos. Possibly if you’re extremely dextrous you might be

> ctrl+able
> to have ctrl+shift+alt, I haven’t dared to try that one. Lol.
>
> First letter navigation. Now you mention it I am aware of it. I use it
> all the time to move quickly to files in Explorer. But for some reason
> it didn’t cross my mind for the desktop (even though I know that is
> also controlled by explorer). I guess because my explorer is in detail
> view, and the desktop shows as a sort of grid layout I treated them as two separate systems.
> Strange how brains work!
>
> Cheers.
> Damien.
>
>
>
>







 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: two issues

 

hi.
for speaking menus also try for example: insert+p for preferences.
i mean its shortcut directly like preferences which i mentioned.
and for blank lines, if i read line by line, i also counter many
blanks line in gmail, firefox or maybe other programs.
use insert+a for using say all in laptop keyboard and insert+down for desktop.
hope that helps and God bless you all.

On 2/24/17, Sam Bushman <libertyroundtable@...> wrote:
Interesting, I just fixed the menu not speaking problem. For some reason an
nvidia control panel waqs up. I finally got rid of that and the speech came
back.
Thanks,
Sam


Sam Bushman
LibertyRoundTable.com
801-756-9133

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
New
Zealand
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] two issues

Hi


There are 2 commands the first is for a desk top pc and the second is for a
lap top.


Say all
NVDA+downArrow
NVDA+a
Starts reading from the current position of the system caret, moving it
along as it goes


Gene nz



On 24/02/2017 9:26 AM, Sam Bushman wrote:
NVDA speaks when I am not trying to view the menus. On all other pc's
when
I
press the down arrow it works great but, on this machine it doesn't speak
when we try to arrow trough the menus in nvda.


Sam Bushman
LibertyRoundTable.com
801-756-9133

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
New
Zealand
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] two issues

Hi Sam


if you do a say all use the nvda key + down arrow key it will read the
whole
message and you will not hear blank lines where they are. you only hear
them
if you do it a line at a time by using the down arrow key each time.


I find it useful hearing them when writing up stuff.

The command was for a desk top pc.


the second question that you asked if NVDA is talking when you bring up
the
preferences menu, just use the down arrow key and it will speak the first
item on the menu and where ever you go to in the menus with the arrow
keys.


Or is it some thing else like nvda not speaking at all on the pc?


Gene nz




On 24/02/2017 8:53 AM, Sam Bushman wrote:
Hi All,

I have two main issues with NVDA that are causing me trouble.

1. When I read email in outlook 2016 office 365 I get tons of blank
lines in the email. Is there a way to get rid of them?

Second: I have a machine with NVDA 17.1 on it, when I bring up the
NVDA menus they don't speak. Any ideas what I need to resolve?

Thanks so much for any input.

Sam




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http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/ If you would like to keep up to date
with whats being updated on our website, you can also follow us on facebook
by visiting
the following link
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Also, check out which New Zealand libraries have the NVDA screen reader
available by visiting the following link
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Re: LibreOffice again

 

hi quentin.
i appreciate you if you try to solved problems using libreoffice with nvda.
i left microsoft office nearly three years ago and even i dont
remember whats microsoft office and its menus!
i completely forgot microsoft office!

On 2/24/17, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
I can try and promote it internally. What would also help is if you can
make sure that you have filed issues on our issue tracker for any problems
you encounter. One reason that many Word and Excel bugs are being fixed at
the moment is that I recently wrote the NVDA training material for Word,
and I'm currently working on Excel. Through that process, I've been
systematically trying most functions of those programs and so encountering
many of the bugs with accessing features that were there. I spent a lot
more time than I anticipated reporting bugs, in that case to Microsoft as
well as on our issue tracker, but knowing they exist means they can be
assigned a priority, and hopefully fixed.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 10:06 PM, Walmir Schultz via Groups.Io <
wsautodidata=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> wrote:

Hi,

A new version of NVDA.

Many fixes and enhancements related to Excel and Word.

But...

And LibreOffice?

When will it get some attention?

All "annoyances", to not say plain incompatibilities, are still there.

Very sad!






--
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http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Ph +61 7 3149 3306
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in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: NVDA Web Browser Problem

 

i forgot to say Always use the cursor keys to navigate within pages in
firefox options advance and general tab which is for accessibility.

On 2/24/17, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
hi.
i was not familiar with mathplayer.
but many months ago, i had this problem because of uninstalling one
office program.
i reinstalled office as the people in the list recommended me and the
problem is solved.
i had this problem only with firefox, not internet explorer.

On 2/24/17, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
Good point Angelo, I often forget to suggest add-ons!

The one you want Arlene is SysTrayList:
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/systrayList.en.html

It does exactly what you want - sets NVDA+F11 to let you access the items
in the system tray.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 12:56 PM, Angelo Sonnesso <@asonnesso>
wrote:

There is an NVDA add-in that uses the F11 key.





73 N2DYN Angelo



*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
*Quentin
Christensen
*Sent:* Thursday, February 23, 2017 8:55 PM

*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem



Hi Arlene,



WINDOWS+B is a Windows command itself, not an NVDA command.



If you open the taskbar settings (easiest way is to open the start menu
and start typing "taskbar"), then "Select which icons appear on the
taskbar", make sure that "always show all icons in the notification
area"
is checked then it will ensure that you don't need to look in the
notification overflow area to find some.


I think providing access to all notification tray icons even without
that
setting is the main extra thing that the Jaws setting does?


That being the case, we didn't want to use up a command to duplicate
something which could already be achieved with an existing command. As
for
why Windows chose WINDOWS+B to get to the notification area, I have
never
figured that out.



Kind regards



Quentin.



On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 12:33 PM, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:

Oh, okay! Happy learning! NVDA is good. I use both.Jaws and NVDA. Here's
more if you want to know. If you want to go to your system ttrey. With
NVDA
It's windows B. Don't ask me why that is. I wished like Jaws it's
insert
F
11

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Louis
Maher

Sent: February-23-17 11:41 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem

Hi Arlene,

JAWS is my primary screen reader, and I do not have any issues with it.
I
am trying to learn NVDA.


Regards
Louis Maher
Phone: 713-444-7838
E-mail: ljmaher@...

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Arlene
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:31 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem

Hi, Do you have another back up screen reader to rectify your problem?
If
you do, then try your back up screen reader and see if you have that
same
problem! If NVDA is your primary screen reader you are in trouble.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Louis
Maher
Sent: February-23-17 10:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem

Folks,

Several weeks ago, my NVDA (version 16.4) was unable to access Firefox
(51.?). When I opened a webpage, the arrow keys just said unknown when
I
used them. I uninstalled NVDA and Firefox and re-installed both. I am
now
on NVDA 17.1), and I have the same issue.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.



Regards
Louis Maher
Phone: 713-444-7838
E-mail: ljmaher@...

















--

Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now
available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/



Ph +61 7 3149 3306

www.nvaccess.org
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess




--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Ph +61 7 3149 3306
www.nvaccess.org
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess

--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org
--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: NVDA Web Browser Problem

 

hi.
i was not familiar with mathplayer.
but many months ago, i had this problem because of uninstalling one
office program.
i reinstalled office as the people in the list recommended me and the
problem is solved.
i had this problem only with firefox, not internet explorer.

On 2/24/17, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
Good point Angelo, I often forget to suggest add-ons!

The one you want Arlene is SysTrayList:
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/systrayList.en.html

It does exactly what you want - sets NVDA+F11 to let you access the items
in the system tray.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 12:56 PM, Angelo Sonnesso <@asonnesso>
wrote:

There is an NVDA add-in that uses the F11 key.





73 N2DYN Angelo



*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
*Quentin
Christensen
*Sent:* Thursday, February 23, 2017 8:55 PM

*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem



Hi Arlene,



WINDOWS+B is a Windows command itself, not an NVDA command.



If you open the taskbar settings (easiest way is to open the start menu
and start typing "taskbar"), then "Select which icons appear on the
taskbar", make sure that "always show all icons in the notification area"
is checked then it will ensure that you don't need to look in the
notification overflow area to find some.


I think providing access to all notification tray icons even without that
setting is the main extra thing that the Jaws setting does?


That being the case, we didn't want to use up a command to duplicate
something which could already be achieved with an existing command. As
for
why Windows chose WINDOWS+B to get to the notification area, I have never
figured that out.



Kind regards



Quentin.



On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 12:33 PM, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:

Oh, okay! Happy learning! NVDA is good. I use both.Jaws and NVDA. Here's
more if you want to know. If you want to go to your system ttrey. With
NVDA
It's windows B. Don't ask me why that is. I wished like Jaws it's
insert
F
11

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Louis
Maher

Sent: February-23-17 11:41 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem

Hi Arlene,

JAWS is my primary screen reader, and I do not have any issues with it.
I
am trying to learn NVDA.


Regards
Louis Maher
Phone: 713-444-7838
E-mail: ljmaher@...

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Arlene
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:31 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem

Hi, Do you have another back up screen reader to rectify your problem? If
you do, then try your back up screen reader and see if you have that same
problem! If NVDA is your primary screen reader you are in trouble.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Louis
Maher
Sent: February-23-17 10:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem

Folks,

Several weeks ago, my NVDA (version 16.4) was unable to access Firefox
(51.?). When I opened a webpage, the arrow keys just said unknown when I
used them. I uninstalled NVDA and Firefox and re-installed both. I am
now
on NVDA 17.1), and I have the same issue.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.



Regards
Louis Maher
Phone: 713-444-7838
E-mail: ljmaher@...

















--

Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/



Ph +61 7 3149 3306

www.nvaccess.org
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess




--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Ph +61 7 3149 3306
www.nvaccess.org
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess
--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: Questions and suggestions

Quentin Christensen
 

Just for completeness, since the same topic is in both threads, you can do this with the SysTrayList addon: https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/systrayList.en.html

Regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 12:59 PM, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:
Oh I see. I seen with other screen readers it was insert F 11. Just my 2 cents.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Andre Fisher
Sent: February-23-17 5:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Questions and suggestions

Because Windows+B is the Windows specific shortcut.

On 2/23/17, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:
> Hi, I don’t know if I can say here! When you go to your system trey.
> Why not make future builds of NVDA be insert F 11? Instead of windows B.
>
>
>
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
> Damien Sykes-Lindley
> Sent: February-23-17 9:06 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Questions and suggestions
>
>
>
> Hi Gene,
>
> Hotkeys are indeed excellent. One of the first thing I look for in a
> program is hotkeys. In fact, some have so many that it’s hard to
> memorise all of them. But at least they’re there!
>
> The only problem I have with Windows shortcuts being linked to them is
> that, because they are global throughout the whole system, it can
> unfortunately cause conflicts with other running applications that
> utilise those shortcuts. For instance, I could assign a ctrl+alt+q
> shortcut to launch QWS (a MIDI sequencer), and another application may use ctrl+alt+q to mean quit.
> I have known ctrl+alt+o for options, ctrl+alt+x for exit, ctrl+alt+n/p
> for next/previous, all of which can be assigned to a Windows hotkey,
> and then it’s touch and go as to which item activates. Otherwise, I’m
> definitely all for hotkeys!
>
> As an aside, I must admit I do find it odd, and mildly frustrating
> that there are four modifier keys that can be used to register hotkeys
> and yet it is still possible to run out of logical keys! This is even
> more so for global shortcut-linked ones, since I think you can only
> have ctrl+alt and
> ctrl+shift combos. Possibly if you’re extremely dextrous you might be
> ctrl+able
> to have ctrl+shift+alt, I haven’t dared to try that one. Lol.
>
> First letter navigation. Now you mention it I am aware of it. I use it
> all the time to move quickly to files in Explorer. But for some reason
> it didn’t cross my mind for the desktop (even though I know that is
> also controlled by explorer). I guess because my explorer is in detail
> view, and the desktop shows as a sort of grid layout I treated them as two separate systems.
> Strange how brains work!
>
> Cheers.
> Damien.
>
>
>
>









--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: NVDA Web Browser Problem

Quentin Christensen
 

Good point Angelo, I often forget to suggest add-ons!

The one you want Arlene is SysTrayList:

It does exactly what you want - sets NVDA+F11 to let you access the items in the system tray.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 12:56 PM, Angelo Sonnesso <asonnesso@...> wrote:

There is an NVDA add-in that uses the F11 key.

 

 

73 N2DYN Angelo

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 8:55 PM


To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem

 

Hi Arlene,

 

WINDOWS+B is a Windows command itself, not an NVDA command.

 

If you open the taskbar settings (easiest way is to open the start menu and start typing "taskbar"), then "Select which icons appear on the taskbar", make sure that "always show all icons in the notification area" is checked then it will ensure that you don't need to look in the notification overflow area to find some.


I think providing access to all notification tray icons even without that setting is the main extra thing that the Jaws setting does?


That being the case, we didn't want to use up a command to duplicate something which could already be achieved with an existing command.  As for why Windows chose WINDOWS+B to get to the notification area, I have never figured that out.

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 12:33 PM, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:

Oh, okay! Happy learning! NVDA is good. I use both.Jaws and NVDA. Here's
more if you want to know. If you want to go to your system ttrey. With NVDA
It's windows B.  Don't ask me why that is.  I wished like Jaws it's insert F
11

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Louis
Maher

Sent: February-23-17 11:41 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem

Hi Arlene,

JAWS is my primary screen reader, and I do not have any issues with it.  I
am trying to learn NVDA.


Regards
Louis Maher
Phone: 713-444-7838
E-mail: ljmaher@...

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:31 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem

Hi, Do you have another back up screen reader to rectify your problem? If
you do, then try your back up screen reader and see if you have that same
problem!  If NVDA is your primary screen reader you are in trouble.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Louis
Maher
Sent: February-23-17 10:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem

Folks,

Several weeks ago, my NVDA (version 16.4) was unable to access Firefox
(51.?).  When I opened a webpage, the arrow keys just said unknown when I
used them.  I uninstalled NVDA and Firefox and re-installed both.  I am now
on NVDA 17.1), and I have the same issue.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.



Regards
Louis Maher
Phone: 713-444-7838
E-mail: ljmaher@...















 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 




--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: Questions and suggestions

Arlene
 

Oh I see. I seen with other screen readers it was insert F 11. Just my 2 cents.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Andre Fisher
Sent: February-23-17 5:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Questions and suggestions

Because Windows+B is the Windows specific shortcut.

On 2/23/17, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:
Hi, I don’t know if I can say here! When you go to your system trey.
Why not make future builds of NVDA be insert F 11? Instead of windows B.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Damien Sykes-Lindley
Sent: February-23-17 9:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Questions and suggestions



Hi Gene,

Hotkeys are indeed excellent. One of the first thing I look for in a
program is hotkeys. In fact, some have so many that it’s hard to
memorise all of them. But at least they’re there!

The only problem I have with Windows shortcuts being linked to them is
that, because they are global throughout the whole system, it can
unfortunately cause conflicts with other running applications that
utilise those shortcuts. For instance, I could assign a ctrl+alt+q
shortcut to launch QWS (a MIDI sequencer), and another application may use ctrl+alt+q to mean quit.
I have known ctrl+alt+o for options, ctrl+alt+x for exit, ctrl+alt+n/p
for next/previous, all of which can be assigned to a Windows hotkey,
and then it’s touch and go as to which item activates. Otherwise, I’m
definitely all for hotkeys!

As an aside, I must admit I do find it odd, and mildly frustrating
that there are four modifier keys that can be used to register hotkeys
and yet it is still possible to run out of logical keys! This is even
more so for global shortcut-linked ones, since I think you can only
have ctrl+alt and
ctrl+shift combos. Possibly if you’re extremely dextrous you might be
ctrl+able
to have ctrl+shift+alt, I haven’t dared to try that one. Lol.

First letter navigation. Now you mention it I am aware of it. I use it
all the time to move quickly to files in Explorer. But for some reason
it didn’t cross my mind for the desktop (even though I know that is
also controlled by explorer). I guess because my explorer is in detail
view, and the desktop shows as a sort of grid layout I treated them as two separate systems.
Strange how brains work!

Cheers.
Damien.