----- Original Message -----
From: "Daniel Gartmann" <lists@danielgartmann.dk>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 6:09 PM
Subject: [nvda] Office 2003 with NVDA 2017.2

Hi,



Anybody out there using NVDA with Office 2003?



I have a report from one of our users saying that Outlook 2003 freezes when
opening a message. Sorry but at the moment no time available for gathering
logs.



Our solution for now is to reinstall 2017.1 and switch off automatic
updates.



Thanks in advance for your feedback.



Daniel

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dennis L" <dennisl1982@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 6:01 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New nvda sounds

How can we get these new sounds now is there a way?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jacob
Kruger
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 9:39 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New nvda sounds

Brian, I was feeling the same way - I actually prefer the old, 'classic'
sounds myself.


Jacob Kruger
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On 2017-05-31 13:19, Brian's Mail list account wrote:

I notice in the next branch of snaps, we are being given new start and
end sounds and new edit and browse mode sounds. I have issues with
some of these myself, but wanted to flag these up here for a a wider
audience to try and perhaps feed back on on the devel list.
My main issue is the quietness of the edit mode and the similarity of
the start and stop ones for nvda.


However others may beg to differ and love them, I don't know either
way might be nice to have a choice rather than to just get the new ones.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Dennis L" <dennisl1982@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New nvda sounds

I want the sounds it's about choice.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rui
Fontes
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 10:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New nvda sounds

In portuguese mailing lists, several comments against new sounds, and none,
absolutly none, in favour...

Rui Fontes


-----Mensagem Original-----
De: Jacob Kruger
Data: 31 de maio de 2017 14:39
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] New nvda sounds

Brian, I was feeling the same way - I actually prefer the old, 'classic'
sounds myself.


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2017-05-31 13:19, Brian's Mail list account wrote:

I notice in the next branch of snaps, we are being given new start and
end sounds and new edit and browse mode sounds. I have issues with
some of these myself, but wanted to flag these up here for a a wider
audience to try and perhaps feed back on on the devel list.
My main issue is the quietness of the edit mode and the similarity of
the start and stop ones for nvda.


However others may beg to differ and love them, I don't know either
way might be nice to have a choice rather than to just get the new ones.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rui Fontes" <rui.fontes@tiflotecnia.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 3:04 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New nvda sounds

In portuguese mailing lists, several comments against new sounds, and none, absolutly none, in favour...

Rui Fontes


-----Mensagem Original-----
De: Jacob Kruger
Data: 31 de maio de 2017 14:39
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] New nvda sounds

Brian, I was feeling the same way - I actually prefer the old, 'classic'
sounds myself.


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2017-05-31 13:19, Brian's Mail list account wrote:

I notice in the next branch of snaps, we are being given new start and end sounds and new edit and browse mode sounds. I have issues with some of these myself, but wanted to flag these up here for a a wider audience to try and perhaps feed back on on the devel list.
My main issue is the quietness of the edit mode and the similarity of the start and stop ones for nvda.


However others may beg to differ and love them, I don't know either way might be nice to have a choice rather than to just get the new ones.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Mallard" <mallard@kimabe.eu>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 2:46 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New nvda sounds

So do I, folks!


These sounds are definitely unobtrusive, but they're also insignificant, and can easily be missed.

Ciao,

Ollie





Il 31/05/2017 15:39, Jacob Kruger ha scritto:

Brian, I was feeling the same way - I actually prefer the old, 'classic' sounds myself.


Jacob Kruger
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Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2017-05-31 13:19, Brian's Mail list account wrote:

I notice in the next branch of snaps, we are being given new start and end sounds and new edit and browse mode sounds. I have issues with some of these myself, but wanted to flag these up here for a a wider audience to try and perhaps feed back on on the devel list.
My main issue is the quietness of the edit mode and the similarity of the start and stop ones for nvda.


However others may beg to differ and love them, I don't know either way might be nice to have a choice rather than to just get the new ones.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jacob Kruger" <jacob@blindza.co.za>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 2:39 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New nvda sounds

Brian, I was feeling the same way - I actually prefer the old, 'classic' sounds myself.


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2017-05-31 13:19, Brian's Mail list account wrote:

I notice in the next branch of snaps, we are being given new start and end sounds and new edit and browse mode sounds. I have issues with some of these myself, but wanted to flag these up here for a a wider audience to try and perhaps feed back on on the devel list.
My main issue is the quietness of the edit mode and the similarity of the start and stop ones for nvda.


However others may beg to differ and love them, I don't know either way might be nice to have a choice rather than to just get the new ones.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Laptops and sound issues


You don't necessarily have to do this in the BIOS. Some, perhaps many computers allow this to be done in Windows. I don't recall where you do it so I hope others will discuss the matter.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Brian's Mail list account
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 7:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Laptops and sound issues


No you just need to be firm with where you buy it. Its the job of a few
seconds for a sighted person normally, to go into the bios at boot up and
change the settings of the function keys so fn needs to be pressed to get
the special media functions not the other way around. also the application
key can be done by two other keys, one of them a function key which is why
this has to be off otherwise its three keys and almost impossible. I'd also
never entertain again any laptop with no keypad.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerardo Corripio" <gera1027@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 12:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Laptops and sound issues

OH that's why I haven't noticed problems with mine: it's from 2011, and
it's running the Windows soundcard whose name I can't remember off the
top of my head. Thanks for letting us know about the annoyance of the
FN-key on laptops! I guess I'd have to buy myself either a Bluetooth
keyboard then to use instead of the Laptop's?


El 31/05/2017 a las 06:42 a.m., Nikos Demetriou via Groups.Io escribió:

Hi.
My hp from 2012 running windows 7 had sound problems.
It was running beats audio sound card with its own drivers.
At the end I had to disable the beats audio sound and enable the
generic windows sound driver.
The sound is not as good now but at least it is more responsive.

I don't even remember how I did this I found instructions on youtube.

Another thing that I don't like on laptops these days which hasn't got
anything to do with sound is the fact that they don't include the
applications key any more.
Very annoying.
And finally the fact that you have to press the fn key in combination
with the function keys to perform windows functions such as rename,
refresh etc.
I know you can fix this from the bios but you need sighted assistance
to do it.

I think they are getting worst instead of any better.
Nikos

On 31 May 2017 at 14:33, Gerardo Corripio <gera1027@gmail.com
<mailto:gera1027@gmail.com>> wrote:

Weird! I've been using NVDA for a bit over two years without sound
problems on an HP Laptop running Windows7.


El 31/05/2017 a las 06:24 a.m., Nikos Demetriou via Groups.Io
escribió:

Hi all.
Sorry if this issue has been discussed before.
I don't know what is going on with laptop sound cards these days,
but nvda doesn't seam to work well with some of them.

I tried nvda on toshiba laptops, hp laptops and lenovo laptops
and I didn't like the way nvda responds and sounds like.
I have got the impression that this problem started under windows
vista or 7 and above.
I didn't find similar situations under windows xp.
I was using espeak in all situations.
I don't want to imagine how it would sound like with vocalizer or
some other hi-q sapi5 voices which are heavier in resorces.
I found the following issues.
Sometimes nvda responds with some delay after we press a button
on the keyboard.
The sound card cuts sometimes the beginning and the end of a word
or sentence.
The sound card doesn't seam to cope well when doing things
quickly such as typing, or when pressing arrow keys rubbitly.

Sometimes the issue can be fixed if we disable all the
enhancements under playback settings but this option is not
available in some laptops.

I am not very familiar with the issues system yet.
I searched but I didn't find something on laptops, sound cards,
espeak etc.
If there isn't a similar issue perhaps I can create a new one.

Yesterday I encountered a very unusual situation where nvda was
working well on a lenovo laptop, but it became very slow in
responding after updating to the latest creators update of
windows 10.

Narator on this particular laptop was responding well with the
windows 10 voices.
I don't know if it would be possible to have different bitrates
to choose for espeak in cases where nvda is not very responsive
in some sound cards.

So what are your experiences with laptops these days and how did
you fix any sound issues?
I don't know the exact models right now because the laptops
belong to friends but if necessary I can find out.
Thanks
Nikos

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Nikos Demetriou via Groups.Io" <nikosdemetriou=googlemail.com@groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 1:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Laptops and sound issues

Ok dell was my last hope.
It was the only make I didn't try yet and I was hoping that they left the
sound drivers alone.

The problem is that we won't know these types of problems unless if we try
nvda on them before we buy because on laptop specks sound gets very little
mention or even not at all.
We know about the processor, the hard drive, the ram, connectivity but not
the sound.
Nikos

On 31 May 2017 at 15:10, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@blueyonder.co.uk

wrote:

I've noticed this with A friends Dell, it clips off the end of things as
if some kind of time limit or noise gate is in use.. I could only solve it
with an external usb device as the driver seemed to do this on many voices
and indeed even on some effects inside programs. I cannot see why they do
this as I'd have thought that sound was important. How do they play audio
if it cuts out all the time?

Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Nikos Demetriou via Groups.Io"
<nikosdemetriou=googlemail.com@groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 12:24 PM
Subject: [nvda] Laptops and sound issues



Hi all.

Sorry if this issue has been discussed before.
I don't know what is going on with laptop sound cards these days, but nvda
doesn't seam to work well with some of them.

I tried nvda on toshiba laptops, hp laptops and lenovo laptops and I
didn't
like the way nvda responds and sounds like.
I have got the impression that this problem started under windows vista or
7 and above.
I didn't find similar situations under windows xp.
I was using espeak in all situations.
I don't want to imagine how it would sound like with vocalizer or some
other hi-q sapi5 voices which are heavier in resorces.
I found the following issues.
Sometimes nvda responds with some delay after we press a button on the
keyboard.
The sound card cuts sometimes the beginning and the end of a word or
sentence.
The sound card doesn't seam to cope well when doing things quickly such as
typing, or when pressing arrow keys rubbitly.

Sometimes the issue can be fixed if we disable all the enhancements under
playback settings but this option is not available in some laptops.

I am not very familiar with the issues system yet.
I searched but I didn't find something on laptops, sound cards, espeak
etc.
If there isn't a similar issue perhaps I can create a new one.

Yesterday I encountered a very unusual situation where nvda was working
well on a lenovo laptop, but it became very slow in responding after
updating to the latest creators update of windows 10.

Narator on this particular laptop was responding well with the windows 10
voices.
I don't know if it would be possible to have different bitrates to choose
for espeak in cases where nvda is not very responsive in some sound cards.

So what are your experiences with laptops these days and how did you fix
any sound issues?
I don't know the exact models right now because the laptops belong to
friends but if necessary I can find out.
Thanks
Nikos

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jonathan Milam" <milamj@wfu.edu>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 1:05 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading the Windows Explorer Window

I am, WIN8.1.

Jonathan

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's
Mail list account
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 6:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading the Windows Explorer Window

Which version of windows? Are you using an installed version of nvda?
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jonathan Milam" <milamj@wfu.edu>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 8:10 PM
Subject: [nvda] Reading the Windows Explorer Window

Hi All,



In 2017.2, and even in earlier versions of NVDA, I am having an issue
where
NVDA will not speak the contents of windows explorer windows whenever I
arrow up and down through listviews. Is anyone else seeing this?



Thanks,

Jonathan

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 11:28 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New nvda sounds


There already is a choice for verbal notification. It should be verbal notification by default.

System Access doesn't have a forms and browse mode because it is designed somehow to allow the page to be changed such as in edit fields and to allow browsing at the same time. However, this imposes limitations on what you can do. I haven't used System Access to Go hardly at all for a long time but I recall coming across occasions where I wanted to do something I couldn't do because I couldn't switch between browse and forms mode.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Chris Shook
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 4:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New nvda sounds


A verbal prompt that brouse mode was on would be good. So long as
there is some sort of indication that brouse mode is on, I don't see a
problem with getting rid of sounds.
System Access doesn't have a brouse mode at all. You simply go to the
website go to the edit field you want and type. It used to allow you to
type in any edit field. It doesn't work with Google anymore.
Regardless, it's an idea for the NVDA developers.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Damien Sykes-Lindley" <damien@dcpendleton.plus.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 11:16 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] What new sounds

Hi,
I believe the new sounds are in the development snapshots rather than the actual official releases.
Damien.
-----Original Message-----
From: Don H
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 11:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] What new sounds

Got the latest NVDA installed and I don't see any differences in any
sounds created by NVDA. What am I missing here?

On 5/31/2017 10:33 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, Peter,


I can't read this message. It sounds like it's either in another
language or gibberish. I tried both in outlook and thunderbird and the
same thing. Could it be the encoding? I'm not sure what to make of

it.

Rosemarie
On 5/31/2017 2:33 PM, Peter Beasley wrote:

A friend of mine uses Office 2003 and said that it doesn’t work with
the latest version of NVDA, so he has gone back to the previous version.

*From:* Daniel Gartmann <mailto:lists@danielgartmann.dk>
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 31, 2017 6:09 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* [nvda] Office 2003 with NVDA 2017.2




Hi,



Anybody out there using NVDA with Office 2003?



I have a report from one of our users saying that Outlook 2003 freezes
when opening a message. Sorry but at the moment no time available for
gathering logs.



Our solution for now is to reinstall 2017.1 and switch off automatic
updates.



Thanks in advance for your feedback.



Daniel

A friend of mine uses Office 2003 and said that it doesn’t work with the latest version of NVDA, so he has gone back to the previous version. 

 

From: Daniel Gartmann

Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 6:09 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] Office 2003 with NVDA 2017.2

 

 

Hi,

 

Anybody out there using NVDA with Office 2003?

 

I have a report from one of our users saying that Outlook 2003 freezes when opening a message. Sorry but at the moment no time available for gathering logs.

 

Our solution for now is to reinstall 2017.1 and switch off automatic updates.

 

Thanks in advance for your feedback.

 

Daniel

 

 

Hi Brandon,
No, there is no way via NVDA core itself that you can currently spell
clipboard contents. You may check the ClipContent Designer NVDA
add-on, and if this functionality is not available (which it probably
isn't, as far as I recall), you can suggest it to Nolia.
Thanks.

On 6/1/17, Brandon Keith Biggs <brandonkeithbiggs@...> wrote:
> Hello,
> Is there any way to spell what is on the clipboard? I love the ability to
> hear what is on the clipboard, but when copying someone's name or long
> strings of numbers that I need to enter into boxes that don't allow
> pasting, I really would like to be able to hear how to spell what is on the
> clipboard.
> Thanks,
>
> Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/>
>


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