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Re: Windows 10 update screen

Don H
 

I already have Windows ap Essentials and NVDA reads the windows update screen poorly. installed.

On 5/30/2017 9:27 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Can anyone deliver Windows 10 App Essentials to him please?
Cheers,
Joseph
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 7:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Windows 10 update screen
I am finding that neither Window Eyes, NVDA or Jaws will read the screen for the windows update.
Here is what I do.
Hit the start button and in the edit box type windows update and hit enter.
The next screen has a button for checking for updates as well as a lot of other info. I can tab through some of the items but I can find no way to read the screen line by line with the arrow keys or mouse keys. Why is this screen so difficult to read?


Re: Next and Mail in Preview

Chris
 

You have to enable it in mail settings

 


Next and Mail in Preview

John Hedges
 

The last few updates have not permitted the cursor to navigate in the message view of Mail. What changed? I can click on a message, but the caret is stuck there.

 

John

 


Re: Laptops and sound issues

 

Yes shift+f10 simulates a right click but if i remember right it doesn't work in some situations maybe on the system tray I don't remember.

Nikos

On 31 May 2017 at 15:17, Nikos Demetriou via Groups.Io <nikosdemetriou@...> wrote:
Ok dell was my last hope.
It was the only make I didn't try yet and I was hoping that they left the sound drivers alone.

The problem is that we won't know these types of problems unless if we try nvda on them before we buy because on laptop specks sound gets very little mention or even not at all.
We know about the processor, the hard drive, the ram, connectivity but not the sound.
Nikos

On 31 May 2017 at 15:10, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...> wrote:
I've noticed this with  A friends Dell, it clips off the end of things as if some kind of time limit or noise gate is in use.. I could only solve it with an external usb device as the driver seemed to do this on many voices and indeed even on some effects inside programs. I cannot see why they do this as I'd have thought that sound was important. How do they play audio if it cuts out all the time?

Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 12:24 PM
Subject: [nvda] Laptops and sound issues



Hi all.
Sorry if this issue has been discussed before.
I don't know what is going on with laptop sound cards these days, but nvda
doesn't seam to work well with some of them.

I tried nvda on toshiba laptops, hp laptops and lenovo laptops and I didn't
like the way nvda responds and sounds like.
I have got the impression that this problem started under windows vista or
7 and above.
I didn't find similar situations under windows xp.
I was using espeak in all situations.
I don't want to imagine how it would sound like with vocalizer or some
other hi-q sapi5 voices which are heavier in resorces.
I found the following issues.
Sometimes nvda responds with some delay after we press a button on the
keyboard.
The sound card cuts sometimes the beginning and the end of a word or
sentence.
The sound card doesn't seam to cope well when doing things quickly such as
typing, or when pressing arrow keys rubbitly.

Sometimes the issue can be fixed if we disable all the enhancements under
playback settings but this option is not available in some laptops.

I am not very familiar with the issues system yet.
I searched but I didn't find something on laptops, sound cards, espeak etc.
If there isn't a similar issue perhaps I can create a new one.

Yesterday I encountered a very unusual situation where nvda was working
well on a lenovo laptop, but it became very slow in responding after
updating to the latest creators update of windows 10.

Narator on this particular laptop was responding well with the windows 10
voices.
I don't know if it would be possible to have different bitrates to choose
for espeak in cases where nvda is not very responsive in some sound cards.

So what are your experiences with laptops these days and how did you fix
any sound issues?
I don't know the exact models right now because the laptops belong to
friends but if necessary I can find out.
Thanks
Nikos








Re: Laptops and sound issues

 

Ok dell was my last hope.
It was the only make I didn't try yet and I was hoping that they left the sound drivers alone.

The problem is that we won't know these types of problems unless if we try nvda on them before we buy because on laptop specks sound gets very little mention or even not at all.
We know about the processor, the hard drive, the ram, connectivity but not the sound.
Nikos

On 31 May 2017 at 15:10, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...> wrote:
I've noticed this with  A friends Dell, it clips off the end of things as if some kind of time limit or noise gate is in use.. I could only solve it with an external usb device as the driver seemed to do this on many voices and indeed even on some effects inside programs. I cannot see why they do this as I'd have thought that sound was important. How do they play audio if it cuts out all the time?

Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Nikos Demetriou via Groups.Io" <nikosdemetriou=googlemail.com@groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 12:24 PM
Subject: [nvda] Laptops and sound issues



Hi all.
Sorry if this issue has been discussed before.
I don't know what is going on with laptop sound cards these days, but nvda
doesn't seam to work well with some of them.

I tried nvda on toshiba laptops, hp laptops and lenovo laptops and I didn't
like the way nvda responds and sounds like.
I have got the impression that this problem started under windows vista or
7 and above.
I didn't find similar situations under windows xp.
I was using espeak in all situations.
I don't want to imagine how it would sound like with vocalizer or some
other hi-q sapi5 voices which are heavier in resorces.
I found the following issues.
Sometimes nvda responds with some delay after we press a button on the
keyboard.
The sound card cuts sometimes the beginning and the end of a word or
sentence.
The sound card doesn't seam to cope well when doing things quickly such as
typing, or when pressing arrow keys rubbitly.

Sometimes the issue can be fixed if we disable all the enhancements under
playback settings but this option is not available in some laptops.

I am not very familiar with the issues system yet.
I searched but I didn't find something on laptops, sound cards, espeak etc.
If there isn't a similar issue perhaps I can create a new one.

Yesterday I encountered a very unusual situation where nvda was working
well on a lenovo laptop, but it became very slow in responding after
updating to the latest creators update of windows 10.

Narator on this particular laptop was responding well with the windows 10
voices.
I don't know if it would be possible to have different bitrates to choose
for espeak in cases where nvda is not very responsive in some sound cards.

So what are your experiences with laptops these days and how did you fix
any sound issues?
I don't know the exact models right now because the laptops belong to
friends but if necessary I can find out.
Thanks
Nikos







Re: Laptops and sound issues

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No you just need to be firm with where you buy it. Its the job of a few seconds for a sighted person normally, to go into the bios at boot up and change the settings of the function keys so fn needs to be pressed to get the special media functions not the other way around. also the application key can be done by two other keys, one of them a function key which is why this has to be off otherwise its three keys and almost impossible. I'd also never entertain again any laptop with no keypad.
Brian

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From: "Gerardo Corripio" <gera1027@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 12:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Laptops and sound issues


OH that's why I haven't noticed problems with mine: it's from 2011, and
it's running the Windows soundcard whose name I can't remember off the
top of my head. Thanks for letting us know about the annoyance of the
FN-key on laptops! I guess I'd have to buy myself either a Bluetooth
keyboard then to use instead of the Laptop's?


El 31/05/2017 a las 06:42 a.m., Nikos Demetriou via Groups.Io escribió:
Hi.
My hp from 2012 running windows 7 had sound problems.
It was running beats audio sound card with its own drivers.
At the end I had to disable the beats audio sound and enable the
generic windows sound driver.
The sound is not as good now but at least it is more responsive.

I don't even remember how I did this I found instructions on youtube.

Another thing that I don't like on laptops these days which hasn't got
anything to do with sound is the fact that they don't include the
applications key any more.
Very annoying.
And finally the fact that you have to press the fn key in combination
with the function keys to perform windows functions such as rename,
refresh etc.
I know you can fix this from the bios but you need sighted assistance
to do it.

I think they are getting worst instead of any better.
Nikos

On 31 May 2017 at 14:33, Gerardo Corripio <gera1027@gmail.com
<mailto:gera1027@gmail.com>> wrote:

Weird! I've been using NVDA for a bit over two years without sound
problems on an HP Laptop running Windows7.


El 31/05/2017 a las 06:24 a.m., Nikos Demetriou via Groups.Io
escribió:
Hi all.
Sorry if this issue has been discussed before.
I don't know what is going on with laptop sound cards these days,
but nvda doesn't seam to work well with some of them.

I tried nvda on toshiba laptops, hp laptops and lenovo laptops
and I didn't like the way nvda responds and sounds like.
I have got the impression that this problem started under windows
vista or 7 and above.
I didn't find similar situations under windows xp.
I was using espeak in all situations.
I don't want to imagine how it would sound like with vocalizer or
some other hi-q sapi5 voices which are heavier in resorces.
I found the following issues.
Sometimes nvda responds with some delay after we press a button
on the keyboard.
The sound card cuts sometimes the beginning and the end of a word
or sentence.
The sound card doesn't seam to cope well when doing things
quickly such as typing, or when pressing arrow keys rubbitly.

Sometimes the issue can be fixed if we disable all the
enhancements under playback settings but this option is not
available in some laptops.

I am not very familiar with the issues system yet.
I searched but I didn't find something on laptops, sound cards,
espeak etc.
If there isn't a similar issue perhaps I can create a new one.

Yesterday I encountered a very unusual situation where nvda was
working well on a lenovo laptop, but it became very slow in
responding after updating to the latest creators update of
windows 10.

Narator on this particular laptop was responding well with the
windows 10 voices.
I don't know if it would be possible to have different bitrates
to choose for espeak in cases where nvda is not very responsive
in some sound cards.

So what are your experiences with laptops these days and how did
you fix any sound issues?
I don't know the exact models right now because the laptops
belong to friends but if necessary I can find out.
Thanks
Nikos
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Re: Laptops and sound issues

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

I'd agree, in fact next laptop I buy I'll stipulate they turn off all media function keys by default as I'm no concert pianist.
Beats is what the Dell had. Maybe its some 'enhancement' of some dubious kind.
Brian

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From: "Nikos Demetriou via Groups.Io" <nikosdemetriou=googlemail.com@groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 12:42 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Laptops and sound issues


Hi.
My hp from 2012 running windows 7 had sound problems.
It was running beats audio sound card with its own drivers.
At the end I had to disable the beats audio sound and enable the generic
windows sound driver.
The sound is not as good now but at least it is more responsive.

I don't even remember how I did this I found instructions on youtube.

Another thing that I don't like on laptops these days which hasn't got
anything to do with sound is the fact that they don't include the
applications key any more.
Very annoying.
And finally the fact that you have to press the fn key in combination with
the function keys to perform windows functions such as rename, refresh etc.
I know you can fix this from the bios but you need sighted assistance to do
it.

I think they are getting worst instead of any better.
Nikos

On 31 May 2017 at 14:33, Gerardo Corripio <gera1027@gmail.com> wrote:

Weird! I've been using NVDA for a bit over two years without sound
problems on an HP Laptop running Windows7.

El 31/05/2017 a las 06:24 a.m., Nikos Demetriou via Groups.Io escribió:

Hi all.
Sorry if this issue has been discussed before.
I don't know what is going on with laptop sound cards these days, but nvda
doesn't seam to work well with some of them.

I tried nvda on toshiba laptops, hp laptops and lenovo laptops and I
didn't like the way nvda responds and sounds like.
I have got the impression that this problem started under windows vista or
7 and above.
I didn't find similar situations under windows xp.
I was using espeak in all situations.
I don't want to imagine how it would sound like with vocalizer or some
other hi-q sapi5 voices which are heavier in resorces.
I found the following issues.
Sometimes nvda responds with some delay after we press a button on the
keyboard.
The sound card cuts sometimes the beginning and the end of a word or
sentence.
The sound card doesn't seam to cope well when doing things quickly such as
typing, or when pressing arrow keys rubbitly.

Sometimes the issue can be fixed if we disable all the enhancements under
playback settings but this option is not available in some laptops.

I am not very familiar with the issues system yet.
I searched but I didn't find something on laptops, sound cards, espeak etc.
If there isn't a similar issue perhaps I can create a new one.

Yesterday I encountered a very unusual situation where nvda was working
well on a lenovo laptop, but it became very slow in responding after
updating to the latest creators update of windows 10.

Narator on this particular laptop was responding well with the windows 10
voices.
I don't know if it would be possible to have different bitrates to choose
for espeak in cases where nvda is not very responsive in some sound cards.

So what are your experiences with laptops these days and how did you fix
any sound issues?
I don't know the exact models right now because the laptops belong to
friends but if necessary I can find out.
Thanks
Nikos


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Re: Laptops and sound issues

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

I've noticed this with A friends Dell, it clips off the end of things as if some kind of time limit or noise gate is in use.. I could only solve it with an external usb device as the driver seemed to do this on many voices and indeed even on some effects inside programs. I cannot see why they do this as I'd have thought that sound was important. How do they play audio if it cuts out all the time?

Brian

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From: "Nikos Demetriou via Groups.Io" <nikosdemetriou=googlemail.com@groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 12:24 PM
Subject: [nvda] Laptops and sound issues


Hi all.
Sorry if this issue has been discussed before.
I don't know what is going on with laptop sound cards these days, but nvda
doesn't seam to work well with some of them.

I tried nvda on toshiba laptops, hp laptops and lenovo laptops and I didn't
like the way nvda responds and sounds like.
I have got the impression that this problem started under windows vista or
7 and above.
I didn't find similar situations under windows xp.
I was using espeak in all situations.
I don't want to imagine how it would sound like with vocalizer or some
other hi-q sapi5 voices which are heavier in resorces.
I found the following issues.
Sometimes nvda responds with some delay after we press a button on the
keyboard.
The sound card cuts sometimes the beginning and the end of a word or
sentence.
The sound card doesn't seam to cope well when doing things quickly such as
typing, or when pressing arrow keys rubbitly.

Sometimes the issue can be fixed if we disable all the enhancements under
playback settings but this option is not available in some laptops.

I am not very familiar with the issues system yet.
I searched but I didn't find something on laptops, sound cards, espeak etc.
If there isn't a similar issue perhaps I can create a new one.

Yesterday I encountered a very unusual situation where nvda was working
well on a lenovo laptop, but it became very slow in responding after
updating to the latest creators update of windows 10.

Narator on this particular laptop was responding well with the windows 10
voices.
I don't know if it would be possible to have different bitrates to choose
for espeak in cases where nvda is not very responsive in some sound cards.

So what are your experiences with laptops these days and how did you fix
any sound issues?
I don't know the exact models right now because the laptops belong to
friends but if necessary I can find out.
Thanks
Nikos


Re: New nvda sounds

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Hard of hearing persons might like my slightly tweaked versions. Note that they go into the waves folder in the nvda folder.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/hkkz61mwjxjsqbk/waves.zip?dl=1

Brian
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 12:19 PM
Subject: [nvda] New nvda sounds


I notice in the next branch of snaps, we are being given new start and end sounds and new edit and browse mode sounds. I have issues with some of these myself, but wanted to flag these up here for a a wider audience to try and perhaps feed back on on the devel list.
My main issue is the quietness of the edit mode and the similarity of the start and stop ones for nvda.


However others may beg to differ and love them, I don't know either way might be nice to have a choice rather than to just get the new ones.
Brian

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Re: Reading the Windows Explorer Window

Jonathan Milam
 

I am, WIN8.1.

Jonathan

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Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 6:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading the Windows Explorer Window

Which version of windows? Are you using an installed version of nvda?
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 8:10 PM
Subject: [nvda] Reading the Windows Explorer Window


Hi All,



In 2017.2, and even in earlier versions of NVDA, I am having an issue
where
NVDA will not speak the contents of windows explorer windows whenever I
arrow up and down through listviews. Is anyone else seeing this?



Thanks,

Jonathan


Re: Laptops and sound issues

Gerardo Corripio
 

OH that's why I haven't noticed problems with mine: it's from 2011, and it's running the Windows soundcard whose name I can't remember off the top of my head. Thanks for letting us know about the annoyance of the FN-key on laptops! I guess I'd have to buy myself either a Bluetooth keyboard then to use instead of the Laptop's?


El 31/05/2017 a las 06:42 a.m., Nikos Demetriou via Groups.Io escribió:
Hi.
My hp from 2012 running windows 7 had sound problems.
It was running beats audio sound card with its own drivers.
At the end I had to disable the beats audio sound and enable the generic windows sound driver.
The sound is not as good now but at least it is more responsive.

I don't even remember how I did this I found instructions on youtube.

Another thing that I don't like on laptops these days which hasn't got anything to do with sound is the fact that they don't include the applications key any more.
Very annoying.
And finally the fact that you have to press the fn key in combination with the function keys to perform windows functions such as rename, refresh etc.
I know you can fix this from the bios but you need sighted assistance to do it.

I think they are getting worst instead of any better.
Nikos

On 31 May 2017 at 14:33, Gerardo Corripio <gera1027@...> wrote:

Weird! I've been using NVDA for a bit over two years without sound problems on an HP Laptop running Windows7.


El 31/05/2017 a las 06:24 a.m., Nikos Demetriou via Groups.Io escribió:
Hi all.
Sorry if this issue has been discussed before.
I don't know what is going on with laptop sound cards these days, but nvda doesn't seam to work well with some of them.

I tried nvda on toshiba laptops, hp laptops and lenovo laptops and I didn't like the way nvda responds and sounds like.
I have got the impression that this problem started under windows vista or 7 and above.
I didn't find similar situations under windows xp.
I was using espeak in all situations.
I don't want to imagine how it would sound like with vocalizer or some other hi-q sapi5 voices which are heavier in resorces.
I found the following issues.
Sometimes nvda responds with some delay after we press a button on the keyboard.
The sound card cuts sometimes the beginning and the end of a word or sentence.
The sound card doesn't seam to cope well when doing things quickly such as typing, or when pressing arrow keys rubbitly.

Sometimes the issue can be fixed if we disable all the enhancements under playback settings but this option is not available in some laptops.

I am not very familiar with the issues system yet.
I searched but I didn't find something on laptops, sound cards, espeak etc.
If there isn't a similar issue perhaps I can create a new one.

Yesterday I encountered a very unusual situation where nvda was working well on a lenovo laptop, but it became very slow in responding after updating to the latest creators update of windows 10.

Narator on this particular laptop was responding well with the windows 10 voices.
I don't know if it would be possible to have different bitrates to choose for espeak in cases where nvda is not very responsive in some sound cards.

So what are your experiences with laptops these days and how did you fix any sound issues?
I don't know the exact models right now because the laptops belong to friends but if necessary I can find out.
Thanks
Nikos

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Re: Laptops and sound issues

 

Hi.
My hp from 2012 running windows 7 had sound problems.
It was running beats audio sound card with its own drivers.
At the end I had to disable the beats audio sound and enable the generic windows sound driver.
The sound is not as good now but at least it is more responsive.

I don't even remember how I did this I found instructions on youtube.

Another thing that I don't like on laptops these days which hasn't got anything to do with sound is the fact that they don't include the applications key any more.
Very annoying.
And finally the fact that you have to press the fn key in combination with the function keys to perform windows functions such as rename, refresh etc.
I know you can fix this from the bios but you need sighted assistance to do it.

I think they are getting worst instead of any better.
Nikos

On 31 May 2017 at 14:33, Gerardo Corripio <gera1027@...> wrote:

Weird! I've been using NVDA for a bit over two years without sound problems on an HP Laptop running Windows7.


El 31/05/2017 a las 06:24 a.m., Nikos Demetriou via Groups.Io escribió:
Hi all.
Sorry if this issue has been discussed before.
I don't know what is going on with laptop sound cards these days, but nvda doesn't seam to work well with some of them.

I tried nvda on toshiba laptops, hp laptops and lenovo laptops and I didn't like the way nvda responds and sounds like.
I have got the impression that this problem started under windows vista or 7 and above.
I didn't find similar situations under windows xp.
I was using espeak in all situations.
I don't want to imagine how it would sound like with vocalizer or some other hi-q sapi5 voices which are heavier in resorces.
I found the following issues.
Sometimes nvda responds with some delay after we press a button on the keyboard.
The sound card cuts sometimes the beginning and the end of a word or sentence.
The sound card doesn't seam to cope well when doing things quickly such as typing, or when pressing arrow keys rubbitly.

Sometimes the issue can be fixed if we disable all the enhancements under playback settings but this option is not available in some laptops.

I am not very familiar with the issues system yet.
I searched but I didn't find something on laptops, sound cards, espeak etc.
If there isn't a similar issue perhaps I can create a new one.

Yesterday I encountered a very unusual situation where nvda was working well on a lenovo laptop, but it became very slow in responding after updating to the latest creators update of windows 10.

Narator on this particular laptop was responding well with the windows 10 voices.
I don't know if it would be possible to have different bitrates to choose for espeak in cases where nvda is not very responsive in some sound cards.

So what are your experiences with laptops these days and how did you fix any sound issues?
I don't know the exact models right now because the laptops belong to friends but if necessary I can find out.
Thanks
Nikos

-- 
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Enviado desde Thunderbird



Re: Laptops and sound issues

Gerardo Corripio
 

Weird! I've been using NVDA for a bit over two years without sound problems on an HP Laptop running Windows7.


El 31/05/2017 a las 06:24 a.m., Nikos Demetriou via Groups.Io escribió:
Hi all.
Sorry if this issue has been discussed before.
I don't know what is going on with laptop sound cards these days, but nvda doesn't seam to work well with some of them.

I tried nvda on toshiba laptops, hp laptops and lenovo laptops and I didn't like the way nvda responds and sounds like.
I have got the impression that this problem started under windows vista or 7 and above.
I didn't find similar situations under windows xp.
I was using espeak in all situations.
I don't want to imagine how it would sound like with vocalizer or some other hi-q sapi5 voices which are heavier in resorces.
I found the following issues.
Sometimes nvda responds with some delay after we press a button on the keyboard.
The sound card cuts sometimes the beginning and the end of a word or sentence.
The sound card doesn't seam to cope well when doing things quickly such as typing, or when pressing arrow keys rubbitly.

Sometimes the issue can be fixed if we disable all the enhancements under playback settings but this option is not available in some laptops.

I am not very familiar with the issues system yet.
I searched but I didn't find something on laptops, sound cards, espeak etc.
If there isn't a similar issue perhaps I can create a new one.

Yesterday I encountered a very unusual situation where nvda was working well on a lenovo laptop, but it became very slow in responding after updating to the latest creators update of windows 10.

Narator on this particular laptop was responding well with the windows 10 voices.
I don't know if it would be possible to have different bitrates to choose for espeak in cases where nvda is not very responsive in some sound cards.

So what are your experiences with laptops these days and how did you fix any sound issues?
I don't know the exact models right now because the laptops belong to friends but if necessary I can find out.
Thanks
Nikos

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Laptops and sound issues

 

Hi all.
Sorry if this issue has been discussed before.
I don't know what is going on with laptop sound cards these days, but nvda doesn't seam to work well with some of them.

I tried nvda on toshiba laptops, hp laptops and lenovo laptops and I didn't like the way nvda responds and sounds like.
I have got the impression that this problem started under windows vista or 7 and above.
I didn't find similar situations under windows xp.
I was using espeak in all situations.
I don't want to imagine how it would sound like with vocalizer or some other hi-q sapi5 voices which are heavier in resorces.
I found the following issues.
Sometimes nvda responds with some delay after we press a button on the keyboard.
The sound card cuts sometimes the beginning and the end of a word or sentence.
The sound card doesn't seam to cope well when doing things quickly such as typing, or when pressing arrow keys rubbitly.

Sometimes the issue can be fixed if we disable all the enhancements under playback settings but this option is not available in some laptops.

I am not very familiar with the issues system yet.
I searched but I didn't find something on laptops, sound cards, espeak etc.
If there isn't a similar issue perhaps I can create a new one.

Yesterday I encountered a very unusual situation where nvda was working well on a lenovo laptop, but it became very slow in responding after updating to the latest creators update of windows 10.

Narator on this particular laptop was responding well with the windows 10 voices.
I don't know if it would be possible to have different bitrates to choose for espeak in cases where nvda is not very responsive in some sound cards.

So what are your experiences with laptops these days and how did you fix any sound issues?
I don't know the exact models right now because the laptops belong to friends but if necessary I can find out.
Thanks
Nikos


New nvda sounds

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I notice in the next branch of snaps, we are being given new start and end sounds and new edit and browse mode sounds. I have issues with some of these myself, but wanted to flag these up here for a a wider audience to try and perhaps feed back on on the devel list.
My main issue is the quietness of the edit mode and the similarity of the start and stop ones for nvda.


However others may beg to differ and love them, I don't know either way might be nice to have a choice rather than to just get the new ones.
Brian

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Re: installing NVDA on a machine with Window-eyes already installed

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Well, I don't know about later operating systems but when I used to go around demonstrating screenreaders I had Supernova, window Eyes Jaws and Nvda all installed on an xp machine All limited deemos though. I found of these the most annoying one was Jaws as wen shut down it tended to leave things a bit confused for another screenreader unless you rebooted the machine.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Sally Kiebdaj" <fiddle.pup@gmail.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 11:40 AM
Subject: [nvda] installing NVDA on a machine with Window-eyes already installed


Good morning list,


How much hassle am I asking for if I install NVDA on my laptop before uninstalling window-eyes? I'm hoping to do a soft transition but want to avoid software conflicts.


I would never actually run these simultaneously, obviously.


Suggestions welcome.


Thank you!

Sally



Re: Power Media player or Power DVD

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Agreed. It seems a very grey area. I've mostly given up on dvds.
Back in th e day bbc were advocating a talking menu system for all dvds, but this seems to have gone out of the window.
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Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 1:48 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Power Media player or Power DVD


To be honest for the ultra encripted dvds I use windows media player and fiddle with the dvd menus that way.

Thats mostly the startrek paramount stuff and some soni, bbc and the rest of it.

For 99.9% of all dvds I use dvd audio extracter.

Its I think 40 bucks but it extracts the audio in lots or from file by file.

One thing that really gets my goat is for example you buy or get a dvd from somewhere.

Then you can't just play it that easily, you need to crack the disk to get the files.

And for those that I have to bother with to get working I watch once then put on a shelf.

On the other hand if I can crack them then I can play the files where I wish.

I know there is a risk but its a pitty that there isn't another way for the blind to get access to audio described content in a way that the sighted can enjoy the same content while you muck round with your content.




On 31/05/2017 11:44 a.m., Chris Shook wrote:
Hi,
How do you watch movies on your computer using Power media player or Power DVD? What I mean is how can you get the DVD to play? Are there key commands you can use to navigate the disk? If so, how do you access those commands?
Thanks
Chris




Re: installing NVDA on a machine with Window-eyes already installed

Sally Kiebdaj
 

Thanks guys, that's good to know.


I thought I remembered having trouble with this on a work computer once but that machine was a custom build of windows and probably the least stable thing I've ever used.


Will try the install this evening after class... just in case. :)


Cheers,

Sally

On 5/31/2017 6:47 AM, Thomas Stivers wrote:
In my experience you will have no trouble with both NVDA and Window-Eyes installed side by side. The main problem you will have is that the doubled speech can be confusing if they are actually running at the same time.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sally Kiebdaj
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 5:40 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] installing NVDA on a machine with Window-eyes already installed

Good morning list,


How much hassle am I asking for if I install NVDA on my laptop before uninstalling window-eyes? I'm hoping to do a soft transition but want to avoid software conflicts.


I would never actually run these simultaneously, obviously.


Suggestions welcome.


Thank you!

Sally







Re: installing NVDA on a machine with Window-eyes already installed

Thomas Stivers
 

In my experience you will have no trouble with both NVDA and Window-Eyes installed side by side. The main problem you will have is that the doubled speech can be confusing if they are actually running at the same time.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sally Kiebdaj
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 5:40 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] installing NVDA on a machine with Window-eyes already installed

Good morning list,


How much hassle am I asking for if I install NVDA on my laptop before uninstalling window-eyes? I'm hoping to do a soft transition but want to avoid software conflicts.


I would never actually run these simultaneously, obviously.


Suggestions welcome.


Thank you!

Sally


Re: installing NVDA on a machine with Window-eyes already installed

Peter Beasley
 

You won't have any problems.

-----Original Message-----
From: Sally Kiebdaj
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 11:40 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] installing NVDA on a machine with Window-eyes already installed

Good morning list,


How much hassle am I asking for if I install NVDA on my laptop before
uninstalling window-eyes? I'm hoping to do a soft transition but want to
avoid software conflicts.


I would never actually run these simultaneously, obviously.


Suggestions welcome.


Thank you!

Sally