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What new sounds

Don H
 

Got the latest NVDA installed and I don't see any differences in any sounds created by NVDA. What am I missing here?


Re: installing NVDA on a machine with Window-eyes already installed

Arlene
 

It shouldn't be a problem. I have both the latest build of NVDA on my old 7 box. And Jaws 14. Just don’t have them run at the same time. You can have one of your main screan readers run when your computer starts. If you want windoweyes running as default. Have it run furst. If you want to use NVDA. Unload Windoweyes or whatever screan reader you have running as default and load NVDA if you want it! or vice versa.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sally Kiebdaj
Sent: May-31-17 3:40 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] installing NVDA on a machine with Window-eyes already installed

Good morning list,


How much hassle am I asking for if I install NVDA on my laptop before uninstalling window-eyes? I'm hoping to do a soft transition but want to avoid software conflicts.


I would never actually run these simultaneously, obviously.


Suggestions welcome.


Thank you!

Sally


Re: love the new sounds

Damien Garwood
 

Hi,
I’ll say here what I said on the development list. I have my own NVDA sounds, and the first time an update destroyed them I wasn’t best please. Yeah, my own stupid fault for not backing up, but I honestly didn’t think the installer would completely overwrite everything.
Then me and my mind had a battle. Make the installer not overwrite them. Yeah, but then at times such as now the sounds would never get updated. All right then, have a sound scheme system similar to Windows. Really? For five or so sounds? Unlikely. Make an addon? Again, a lot of work for five or so sounds. Not to mention that the startup sound probably plays before the addons are even loaded. Pointless.
Since I can’t think of anything else and the developers would probably give the same arguments for not implementing it, chances are it probably won’t happen unless more sounds are added in the future for different things.
Cheers.
Damien.
 

From: Dennis L
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 10:11 PM
Subject: [nvda] love the new sounds
 

I love the new sounds they should be an option.  Give an option to revert to the old sound scheme for those that want it..


Re: Office 2003 with NVDA 2017.2

Peter Beasley
 

A friend of mine uses Office 2003 and said that it doesn’t work with the latest version of NVDA, so he has gone back to the previous version. 
 

Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 6:09 PM
Subject: [nvda] Office 2003 with NVDA 2017.2
 

 

Hi,

 

Anybody out there using NVDA with Office 2003?

 

I have a report from one of our users saying that Outlook 2003 freezes when opening a message. Sorry but at the moment no time available for gathering logs.

 

Our solution for now is to reinstall 2017.1 and switch off automatic updates.

 

Thanks in advance for your feedback.

 

Daniel

 

 


Re: New nvda sounds

Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
 

Chris Mullins I just followed your instructions and I like it so much better.
Thanks.


Re: New nvda sounds

Chris Mullins
 

Press NVDA key + control + b and unceck the box labelled ‘Audio indication of focus and browse modes.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: 31 May 2017 21:47
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New nvda sounds

 

Where do I go to get this version I need?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 4:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New nvda sounds

 

Hi gene

 

I totally agree with you.

 

When ever i teach some one i have it so it says which mode it is in so the person knows when they can use single letter navigation in browse mode and when it says focus mode they can type say into a form.

 

then i will after a little let them know about the sounds but they usually stay with it been said.

 

Gene nz

 

 

On 1/06/2017 8:21 AM, Gene wrote:

If people want to use sounds of some sort, that's fine.  But I strongly believe that sounds for browse mode and focus mode shouldn't be on by default.  People learning the screen-reader, especially those not familiar with the Internet, should get verbal prompts. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 3:18 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] New nvda sounds

 

In my ioinion, some type os sound would be helpful because you don't
always know if brouse mode is on or not.
I really don't see the point in changing the sounds. If it ain't broke
don't fix it.
If they do get rid of the sounds, they'll need to add something that
let's you know when brouse mode is active.

 

--
Check out my website for nvda tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net. Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations or location is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries | Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa -


Re: New nvda sounds

Dennis L
 

It should be a announcement you can turn on or off.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris
Shook
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 5:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New nvda sounds

A verbal prompt that brouse mode was on would be good. So long as there is
some sort of indication that brouse mode is on, I don't see a problem with
getting rid of sounds.
System Access doesn't have a brouse mode at all. You simply go to the
website go to the edit field you want and type. It used to allow you to type
in any edit field. It doesn't work with Google anymore.
Regardless, it's an idea for the NVDA developers.


love the new sounds

Dennis L
 

I love the new sounds they should be an option.  Give an option to revert to the old sound scheme for those that want it..


Re: New nvda sounds

Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
 

A verbal prompt that brouse mode was on would be good. So long as there is some sort of indication that brouse mode is on, I don't see a problem with getting rid of sounds.
System Access doesn't have a brouse mode at all. You simply go to the website go to the edit field you want and type. It used to allow you to type in any edit field. It doesn't work with Google anymore. Regardless, it's an idea for the NVDA developers.


Re: Power Media player or Power DVD

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


yes


Just do not turn it on it will play the dvd as normal.


In VLC media player after the movie is playing if the dvd did have a
audio description track it is a letter B i think it is to toggle it to
on or through the audio tracks.


if you do not do that it play as normal.


plus VLC will let you play all zone movies


Gene nz

On 1/06/2017 6:44 AM, Chris Shook wrote:
Hi Jean,
Thanks for the help.
Is there anyway to watch regular DVD's on the computer? One's without
descriptive video?


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material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net. Regardless of where you
are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a
copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out
which locations or location is near to you please visit
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Re: New nvda sounds

Jacob Kruger
 

Dennis, be aware that, like it says on the page, it's the under-development snapshot version, so could have minor forms of issues/bugs in it, so, just make sure you do install it in a folder/location you can remove it from later on, etc. - don't let it override your normal/stable version until you are sure you want to work with it, but:

https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/snapshots/


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2017-05-31 22:46, Dennis L wrote:

Where do I go to get this version I need?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 4:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New nvda sounds

 

Hi gene

 

I totally agree with you.

 

When ever i teach some one i have it so it says which mode it is in so the person knows when they can use single letter navigation in browse mode and when it says focus mode they can type say into a form.

 

then i will after a little let them know about the sounds but they usually stay with it been said.

 

Gene nz

 

 

On 1/06/2017 8:21 AM, Gene wrote:

If people want to use sounds of some sort, that's fine.  But I strongly believe that sounds for browse mode and focus mode shouldn't be on by default.  People learning the screen-reader, especially those not familiar with the Internet, should get verbal prompts. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Chris Shook

Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 3:18 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] New nvda sounds

 

In my ioinion, some type os sound would be helpful because you don't
always know if brouse mode is on or not.
I really don't see the point in changing the sounds. If it ain't broke
don't fix it.
If they do get rid of the sounds, they'll need to add something that
let's you know when brouse mode is active.

 

--
Check out my website for nvda tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net. Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations or location is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries | Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa -



Re: New nvda sounds

Dennis L
 

Where do I go to get this version I need?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 4:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New nvda sounds

 

Hi gene

 

I totally agree with you.

 

When ever i teach some one i have it so it says which mode it is in so the person knows when they can use single letter navigation in browse mode and when it says focus mode they can type say into a form.

 

then i will after a little let them know about the sounds but they usually stay with it been said.

 

Gene nz

 

 

On 1/06/2017 8:21 AM, Gene wrote:

If people want to use sounds of some sort, that's fine.  But I strongly believe that sounds for browse mode and focus mode shouldn't be on by default.  People learning the screen-reader, especially those not familiar with the Internet, should get verbal prompts. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 3:18 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] New nvda sounds

 

In my ioinion, some type os sound would be helpful because you don't
always know if brouse mode is on or not.
I really don't see the point in changing the sounds. If it ain't broke
don't fix it.
If they do get rid of the sounds, they'll need to add something that
let's you know when brouse mode is active.

 

--
Check out my website for nvda tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net. Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations or location is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries | Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa -


Re: New nvda sounds

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi gene


I totally agree with you.


When ever i teach some one i have it so it says which mode it is in so the person knows when they can use single letter navigation in browse mode and when it says focus mode they can type say into a form.


then i will after a little let them know about the sounds but they usually stay with it been said.


Gene nz



On 1/06/2017 8:21 AM, Gene wrote:
If people want to use sounds of some sort, that's fine.  But I strongly believe that sounds for browse mode and focus mode shouldn't be on by default.  People learning the screen-reader, especially those not familiar with the Internet, should get verbal prompts. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 3:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New nvda sounds

In my ioinion, some type os sound would be helpful because you don't
always know if brouse mode is on or not.
I really don't see the point in changing the sounds. If it ain't broke
don't fix it.
If they do get rid of the sounds, they'll need to add something that
let's you know when brouse mode is active.



--
Check out my website for nvda tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net. Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations or location is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries | Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa -


Re: New nvda sounds

Gene
 

If people want to use sounds of some sort, that's fine.  But I strongly believe that sounds for browse mode and focus mode shouldn't be on by default.  People learning the screen-reader, especially those not familiar with the Internet, should get verbal prompts. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 3:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New nvda sounds

In my ioinion, some type os sound would be helpful because you don't
always know if brouse mode is on or not.
I really don't see the point in changing the sounds. If it ain't broke
don't fix it.
If they do get rid of the sounds, they'll need to add something that
let's you know when brouse mode is active.



Re: New nvda sounds

Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
 

In my ioinion, some type os sound would be helpful because you don't always know if brouse mode is on or not.
I really don't see the point in changing the sounds. If it ain't broke don't fix it.
If they do get rid of the sounds, they'll need to add something that let's you know when brouse mode is active.


Re: New nvda sounds

Gene
 

Run the installer.  Tab through the dialog and you will see that you mustg accept the license agreement.  The next dialog gives you choices such as install, make portable version and continue running.  Create a portable version.  Don't designate a folder with any other files in it.  The portable creator doesn't place the files in a folder of its own.  It will place the files directly in a folder you specify.  I had thought about commenting on this in the past but I didn't.  But NVDA should, in my opinion, create a folder when creating a portable version.  I had believed it would and so I designated a folder at one time and had the NVDA files placed in a folder with lots of other files.  Just as zip programs create a folder when unzipping, so, I think, should NVDA.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Dennis L
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New nvda sounds

I am not sure how to install it as a portable could someone email me  the
sounds
 
Dennisl1982@...
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jacob
Kruger
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 2:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New nvda sounds

Dennis, download the NVDA decelopment snapshot, install it to something like
a portable installation location, and then go copy the sound clips from the
./waves folder into your current installation's ./waves folder.


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2017-05-31 19:01, Dennis L wrote:
> How can we get these new sounds now is there a way?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
> Jacob Kruger
> Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 9:39 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] New nvda sounds
>
> Brian, I was feeling the same way - I actually prefer the old, 'classic'
> sounds myself.
>
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> Jacob Kruger
> Blind Biker
> Skype: BlindZA
> "Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."
>
> On 2017-05-31 13:19, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
>> I notice in the next branch of snaps, we are being given new start
>> and end sounds and new  edit and browse mode sounds. I have issues
>> with some of these myself, but wanted to flag these up here for a a
>> wider audience to try and perhaps feed back on on the devel list.
>> My main issue is the quietness of the edit mode and the similarity of
>> the start and stop ones for nvda.
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>> However others may beg to differ and love them, I don't know either
>> way might be nice to have a choice rather than to just get the new ones.
>> Brian
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>> bglists@...
>> Sent via blueyonder.
>> Please address personal email to:-
>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>> in the display name field.
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Re: installing NVDA on a machine with Window-eyes already installed

 

Since I'm on a Windows 10 machine, if you count Narrator which is built-in, I have four screen readers installed.  The other three being JAWS, NVDA, and Window Eyes.

None has ever given me an issue (and I've never tried to run more than one at the same time).


Re: New nvda sounds

Dennis L
 

No give the user the option between new and old sounds very simple.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of J.G
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 3:50 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New nvda sounds

 

Hi,

I have a suggestion: replace old browse/focus mode sounds with sounds, which were asigned to start/stop NVDA. For start/stop NVDA, please, please use old piano sounds.

regards, Jožef


moving to NVDA

Josh Kennedy
 

If NVDA had a jaws layout addon and a window eyes layout addon then it would work. or you could go into the input gestures dialog box and change NVDA keyboard gestures. that's the only way I can think of to do such changes.


Re: New nvda sounds

J.G
 

Hi,

I have a suggestion: replace old browse/focus mode sounds with sounds, which were asigned to start/stop NVDA. For start/stop NVDA, please, please use old piano sounds.

regards, Jožef